Name me a better story-driven game/franchise than zero escape.

loses massive points for plagiarizing off himself and the third game being pretty average

How many timelines are you on?

Planescape Torment.
Ghost Trick.
FF VI.
Even Danganronpa is better.

Zero Escape is essential "never read a book in my life"-core. They're still pretty great games though, 999 is 6/10, VLR is 7/10.

>>377017323
i'd never go below 24, hurts my head desu

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>>377017456
>Danganronpa

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999 was the only one that actually stuck with me, with VLR I realized that it was reusing the same formula and the shift in artstyle/graphics alongside the cliffhanger ending (half of the plot points in the game are retroactively ruined by ZTD) just didn't do it for me

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>>377017637

>Uchikoshi EOP niggers

>>377017637
>"oh man i wonder what will happen if i press this button"
>sees 90 second timer
>.....
>i think they really don't want me to not press the button.
>it's gonna be a no from me dawg

COMPLEX

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>>377017456
>FF VI.

Really dude?

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what i really don't understand is how phi went from cute as all hell in vlr to "i haven't left my room in 45 years" in ztd

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>>377018379

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>>377019336
"If you're C cup then I'm packing 12 inches"

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>>377019336
the only bad thing about her ZTD look was that they made her eyebrows all fucky desu

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ZTD is another living proof that if you want to make your niche franchise more accessible, you lose fans and most people will not like it.
What a mess.

>>377019520
Phi and Sigmas casual banter was honestly the best part of vlr for me.

>>377020593
This is true.

How did sigma not feel his mechanical eye? Or why did no one mention it?
And why are alice and quark the only people to be affected by the virus when everyone was infected? Quark I get but I thought alice went through special training to be more resilient or something

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>>377020917
Such a shame, too, I loved 999 and VLR, and I still couldn't bring myself to finish ZTD because it just doesn't have the thing that gripped me in 999 and VLR.
Danganronpa 3 was also a huge mess, but at least they left that arc behind to rot finally.

>>377020593
i think if they'd just let you play the scenes in order like in vlr, ztd could have been pretty much perfect. but now you have no fucking clue whats going on 90% of the time.

>>377021069
the entire purpose of a prosthetic body part is that you won't notice that its there. its supposed to simulate a real one.

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>>377021236
That fucking clock gimmick was a mistake.
It was cute at first, like how it's supposed to emulate how the characters feel, but it got out of hand when I did the first part of a group and like 6 opened up, and most of them were just infodumps for the newbies who didn't play any ZE games.
Christ.

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>>377021236
nah dude, the order doesn't really matter, and putting the pieces together could have been fun. ZTD was a disaster in the story department altogether. It shat on everything VLR set up.

I just beat 999 and vlr last week and was considering playing ztd
Is it worth a buy or at least a pirate? I just want to see how the story ends, it can't be that bad right?

>>377021994
>I just want to see how the story ends
We all did, anon.
We still do.

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>>377021693
>deliberately make it so q-team gets executed
>unlock 70 fucking story fragments
>pick one from d-team at random
>c-team has been executed
>mfw

>>377022134
Does the game not have a conclusion or something? The radical 6 virus either gets out or doesn't

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>>377022335
Not spoiling anything here, but Radical-6 is only ever brought up in one timeline in ZTD. Take from that what you will.
Game's at least worth a pirate, but the only satisfaction you'll get from it is memes, I can tell you that much.

>>377021994
>starts pretty badly.
>gets a bit better later.
>falls off again at the end.
>puzzles are shorter but last longer.
well if you want more zero escape you might aswell.
it's not actually that bad, but if you compare it to the second game it's horrible.

>>377021994
I'm being completely serious here when I tell you to not play ZTD. Let yourself be left wondering what a 3rd game would have been like so you can remember the series fondly I like I used to. After playing ZTD I don't even like the series anymore, it legitimately made me like the series as a whole less. I can't even look at 999 and VLR the same way anymore and they both are some of my favorite games. And I know I'm not the only one because I've seen other people on here express similar feelings.

>>377022543
>>377022682
thanks, guess I'll just pirate it sometime

>>377021994
i loved 999 and vlr, pirated ztd. i didn't even finish ztd, it's garbage. the puzzles feel like a chore and the writing is very mediocre. i wish it wouldn't exist desu

>>377022543
>i can remember every character in the franchise except this asshole.
i usualy juat call him Kevin

>>377017456
>Planescape
Pathetic

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>>377023606
it's Eric, anon.

>>377017197
>Story driven
So... You mean no gameplay weebfaggotry?

999: Pulls a time-bullshit twist from it's ass without explaining how the fucking paradox began. (But let's say that the paradox exists because the possibility that it may exist is there, and thus quantum-bullshit)

VLR: SURPRISE, IT DOES THAT AGAIN, NO FUCKING EXPLANATION. (Let's scratch that one up to quantum bullshit as well)

ZTD: You guys do understand that there is no fucking way in hell that Delta could exist right? Right?

Plot was shit but i did enjoy those games...a bit...

>>377021994
Skip ZTD and play Ever17 instead if you want more of uchikoshi at his best. ZTD has maybe a couple decent twists if you're stupid like me. It shits all over decent characters and answers basically nothing whatsoever from VLR.

IMO, the problem started when they decided that 999 needed a sequel. 999 was already fine on its own, and VLR would have been fine in its own right if it didn't end with a bunch of unanswered questions basically an ever17 reskin on the moon with a far shittier "ending"

I don't get 999's ending
So akane was alive all along? What was seven's smile supposed to mean, that he had known since the beginning that she was alive? If akane was alive why did santa try to save her via the game?

>>377024234
Akane was sort of alive, somehow she managed to make a connection with junpei 9 years in the future, which saved her from her actual fate, however the catch was that she was the one who created the connection to begin with, thus, she existed as a schrodinger's cat of sorts until she managed to replicate the event that saved her in the first place.

Everytime she fucks up with the timeline in such a way that the "true ending" becomes impossible to get she gets fever fits...because you know...she burns....for real.

>>377023874
999 foreshadows time-related bullshit the entire time, especially when you talk to akane. It gradually warms you up to the psychic shit, and only really brings it up a good halfway through. The "paradox" just began when child akane was thrown into the incinerator. She starts thinking of plans that will allow her to communicate with someone in the future. Presumably, in the true end, she thinks of the scenario that works, escapes, and then makes sure it happens. It makes a lot more sense to me than VLR did, even with the half-explanations from ZTD.

In any case, play E17 if you want a story that ties everything up perfectly (except for who kicked the damn can, of course). It's pacing is nowhere near as good as 999/VLR, but its ending makes up for it.

>>377023873
bruh....................puzzles

>>377024649
Puzzles for brain-dead permavirgin weeaboos, so basically 1+1 for an actual human being.

>>377024979
I thought the puzzles were good. If you didn't like them, then what game does have good puzzles?

>>377025112
Anything that has actual gameplay alongside puzzles. And no, whyfoo faggotry is not gameplay.

>>377025195
puzzles are actual gameplay, anon

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Akane is cute! CUTE!!

>>377025195
999/VLR don't have waifufaggotry though? Basically all of the "routes" are just about gathering information, leading to different ways for you to die in the end.

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>>377025195
>no answer

chalk it up as butthurt

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>>377019336
>this concept art
What did they mean by this?

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>>377025359
Sure thing, weeb.

>>377025195
>zero escape series
>waifufaggotry
what
there's no romancing or slice of life element in it

>>377025828
>"well this game probably won't be popular enough to get any good "intimate" art so we may aswell save you the trouble."
either that or a reference for body proportions.

>>377025112
SpaceChem.

>>377025828
you're normally supposed to start by drawing a nude figure in order to get clothing right in any figure drawing

>>377025836
damn, that looks tough.
how am i supposed to complete a puzzle that's already completed.
you're giving me a headache, anon.

>>377026627
It's a hint for a puzzle you'll see in a different timeline. I'm looking at the alternate version of this thread where you're dead, and the puzzle isn't solved there.

>>377026951
so if i kill myself i'll be able to solve it?

>>377017456
>999 is 6/10
>VLR scores better
Shit taste

>>377025828
god I want to fuck Phi

>>377021994
Don't let the spergs form your opinion for you.

Play ZTD and figure it out on your own.

The game's fucking fine, /v/ is just assblasted because they spent years circlejerking on fan theories the game didn't deliver on.

>>377017536
>Furfag
Get out.

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>>377027618
you and me both, brother.

>>377027223
Alright, time for the traditional feature of ZE threads: posting ratings so you know who has the best taste.

IMO:

999>E17>VLR>R11>ZTD>N7

>>377027902
999 = VLR >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ZTD
never played infinity series.

>>377024234
Akane is Schrodinger's Cat, and the Nonary Game is the box.

We don't know if she's alive or dead until the game is over, so during the game, she is both.

It's the cause of Seven's amnesia, and the reason for June's fevers.
Seven can't remember that Akane died if she's alive in the game.
Every time Junpei strays from the timeline where Akane lives, she falls ill because she's dying all over again.

>>377027986
>never played infinity
shit nigga, get out there and pirate Ever17 at least. The only thing that keeps me from rating it higher than 999 is that it's got slightly worse pacing (on another note, Never7's horrendous pacing is the only reason I rate it lower than ZTD.)

>>377028263
Already pirated it. I've just been burned out from VNs after marathoning ZE twice last year.

>>377017197
I think the third game retroactively ruined the entire series. It's just so terrible compared to the first two.

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Easy.

>>377028075
>Every time Junpei strays from the timeline where Akane lives, she falls ill

I thought this was a cool when you find it out, but I still don't understand why does she get the fever at the beginning of the game, before you make any choices at all then?

>>377017197
I enjoyed the games but I hated the stupid fucking end twists in all of them

>>377027767
Motherfucker you are going to let him ruin the memories of 2 great games.

>>377028370
I'd highly recommend it. It's by far the best of the infinity series (playing the others isn't necessary; they're only loosely set in the same universe/time frame).

Never7 is 99% tedious waifufaggotry and 1% great twist

Ever17 is 50% tedious waifufaggotry and 50% great twists

Remember11 is 75% good storytelling, but is basically incomplete (the most interesting parts of the story are, no joke, given in the in-game glossary if you happen to unlock them)

Marathon

>>377028824
>50% of this really long story is tedious
No thanks

>>377028776
Just because that's what happened for you doesn't mean that's what will happen.

I enjoyed ZTD and continue to enjoy 999 and VLR as much as I did before.

>>377029115
Then you don't deserve to have played them.

>>377029352
>if you don't have MY opinion, you don't deserve to enjoy things!
Sorry.

I'm gonna keep enjoying things while you overreact to a game not living up to expectations and letting it completely ruin games you once loved.

Personally, I feel like that's a really shitty mindset to have so even if I did hate ZTD, I wouldn't let it ruin 999 or VLR for me.
That's just retarded.

>>377029090
Eh, it's not really that bad. It's got plenty of foreshadowing and stuff. The main tedious parts are that you'll either follow a guide, which is tedious by default, or end up needing to replay the common parts at the start of the routes several times as you figure out the correct choices.

I mean, the routes all serve the purpose of setting up the questions and information that all pulls together in the true ending. Think of it like 999's bad endings, but with less tension. Some of E17's non-true endings even end up with some of the characters surviving

>>377027902
999>Ever17>Never7>VLR>ZTD
Never played Remember11

>>377029720
I personally didn't like N7 that much, but I totally can respect someone who did.

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>>377027902
Ever17 > VLR > Danganronpa 2 > 999 > Ghost trick > Danganronpa > Torment
Still to play the other games.

What was the point of All-ice in 999? I don't remember that lead going anywhere, and even in vlr alice isn't related to all-ice

>>377021091
>he doesn't know about v3
>he thinks it will be better than 3 anime
You poor bastards. NA release can't come soon enough.

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>>377031247
It was just a way to keep people having conspiracies to archive that morphogenetic field faster. They are just like us, but instead of trying to meme a change in timelines, they were trying to meme a space-time phenom.

>>377025828
Is this the female equivalent to the trench coat?

>>377027902
VLR > Ever17 > R11 > ZTD > 999 > N7

>>377017456
>Ghost Trick is such an underrated game

>>377027902
999 = R11 > E17 > Root Double > VLR >> ZTD

>>377017323
I don't know, like 5 or 6 my dude

>>377034021
Your are like a little babby
Watch this
S U C C

>>377033807
>root double
At the beginning I thought it would be an absolute E17 clone, but it eventually took things in its own direction and ended up pretty good IMO

>>377017197
Bootstrap paradoxes get old the 3rd time around

Can someone just give me a story in a game (preferably another death-game thing but I think I've played all those) that'll suck me in the way 999 and VLR did? I've played Ghost Trick, Ace Attorney, Hotel Dusk, Danganronpa, Planescape, etc.

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>>377036013
Umineko

>>377036013
Have you played Ever17?

Absolutely don't bother with this shit: >>377036249. It basically sucks balls and is littered with Fate-tier pseudo-philosophical musings that only seem deep to the author and 14 year olds

epic twist xD

>>377036927
Fate and Umineko are no worse than uchi's shit

No point pointing out that these games/vns have bad writing, it's kind of a given.

>>377036927
Yeah, I have. Didn't enjoy it.

>>377037579
Granted they all have low-quality writing, but Fate and Umineko are still worse than Uchi's stuff, only because the stories never do anything surprising.

>>377017197
Any visual novel

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>>377017456
>Even Danganronpa is better.
Nigga

>>377028463
You're thinking about going through the door with the 9nth man, and then she gets sick. It's all bollocks anyways since the later two games operate under a different "time travel" theory/ruleset

>>377039906
Yeah, that's one of the reasons I preferred 999 in the first place. The scifi just kept requiring more and more suspension of disbelief in the sequels. It was extremely obvious, especially given ZTD, that 999 was never intended to start a series.

Like, in 999, the different timelines are just different future possibilities, but then in ZTD it's full-on "we'll forcibly swap places with ourselves in parallel universes, and if this means we're consigning our alternate selves to die painful deaths then who cares"

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post Phi

>>377017456
>Even Danganronpa is better.
You crossed the line with that comment. DR is awful.

>>377018281
> Start to realize the Chapter Titles give some hint to the Decision Segment
> See the long timer

Too many red flags

>>377021236
I wish I started with the Suspicion Segment after the votes; to see such a fast paced and intense scene without knowing much would have been amazing. By the time I reached it I had a an inkling of what was about to go down Such as finding Junpei in pieces and either Akane or Carlos dying.

999 --> The Matrix
VLR --> The Matrix Reloaded
ZTD --> The Matrix Revolutions

>>377042894
Thts the one I started with. Shit was creepy but hey, we were playing with jello gingerbread men so it was all fun. Then the freezer happened. Then my only option was to kill one of two people, neither of whom would've killed jumpy. Then I got confused as fuck when I went to a new fragment and everyone was drinking in a games room or some shit. I was so confused for so long long until I saw the global flowchart and it made sense