This game was a masterpiece, however... Memories of You >

>>376970927
I thought the final few songs were disappointing for an otherwise great soundtrack. Especially the final boss. Persona 3's final boss tracks have yet to be topped.

Memories of You >The Stars and Us >>Never More

Just beat this game again today. I've noticed about something of each song.

Persona 3's Ending song seems to be about moving on despite loss.

Persona 4's ending theme is about the memories of friends and never forgetting them.

Persona 5's ending theme is about outcasts and how they never really fit in.

In respect each theme seem to represent each part of the pretty well.

All in all I enjoyed them all per game.

Persona 3's ost is overrated

>>376973359
Overall yes. It's incredibly cheesy, but I thought it's melodies were great. And the final part of the game the soundtrack shines. Particularly during January and the whole "memories of ____" theme goes on

>>376973359
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOKyf_7J6sA

Even the covers think that.

>>376974258
The cheesiness is great though.

SOME DANCES

>>376974564
Damn honestly that's pretty good. Doesn't make me cringe as much as reading the translated lyrics to the original

>>376974603
DEEP BREATH
DEEP BREATH
DEEP BREATH

>>376974564
Any good covers of P5's ending song?

>>376974867
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-sjAqB-twc
I love how much they changed Deep Breath in the reincarnation version.

>>376975285
Fuck I forgot how good the reincarnation albums were.

>>376975546
Yeah man I can't wait until Persona 5's

>>376974867
IVE NEVER FELT RIKE

>>376975629
Can't wait for it and the inevitable anime adaptation in two years. Honestly though I feel like it'll blow P3s and 4s out of the water

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>>376970927
>Send the calling card
>Go into the Metaverse
>YFW 'IT'S NOT A GAME'

>>376975849
Now its doomed to suck.

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>>376976023

>>376976043
Nah it'll be great. They learned their lesson from P4G

>>376975646
I SAID ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR COME ON Y'ALL GET ON THE FLOOR

>>376976043
It's gonna suck because they won't be able to fit everything in 24 episodes without it skipping some shit, but I do look forward to animated smug Joker antics

>>376975849
Yeah I'm excited to see how they handle Joker's personality and all that.

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>tfw satanael

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>>376976484
Satanael was the hypest shit.

>>376973359
This

>>376976484
Satanael was awesome but I feel like it wasn't as good as P3's everyone calling out while you fight solo and P4's party sacrificing themselves for you.
But that theme was fantastic

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>>376976484
PILLAGE HIM
SATANAEL

>>376976816
That entire ending sequence from the moment you discover the truth to satanael gave me chills. Hypest I've ever felt in a game to finish things. Haven't beaten Ng+ so looking forward to the inevitable velvet room secret boss. Hope it's just as hard as the last one. (Not as bullshit as Elizabeth though)

>>376976484
Even the simple "begone" was pretty hype

>>376976484
I'm a fucking sucker for Gainax endings. Was almost shedding tears when that gauge hit 100%

>>376977451
Elizabeth is the most bullshit boss I've ever encountered. Impossible without that special Orpheus. At least Margaret was fun while still being really fucking hard

>>376977617
Not gonna lie I was tearing up quite a bit towards the end.

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>>376977768
Me too.

>>376975646
SO MISERABU

Did they bring back Igor's original VA for both dubs? I haven't heard Igor's original Japanese VA before, but that's what I'm assume they did for the twist.

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So do you think persona 6 will be made in the next 3 years like p4 did after 3 or do we have to wait another 8 or so years for p6.

I didn't even care to finish Persona 4, but I loved Persona 5.

What was Teddie's deal? Did they explain what he was or where he came from or was he just the mascot character with no development?

>>376978047
It wasn't his original VA in the dub I know that much. I think they may have used archived footage for the JP version.

>>376978047
God I was so pissed they changed his voice in the beginning of the game. Little did I know

>>376978047
In JP after the twist it does go back to original JP Igor's voice again. That's why any new dialogue from that point is just text boxes, because they re used the old VA again.

>>376978134
He was a Shadow.

>>376978075
P4 felt rushed as fuck so I hope they take their time. P5 felt like a true sequel to P3 so the time invested in development was well worth it.

Or they could go in a new direction with a new lead. I'm down with that after 3+ games of the same formula.

>>376978134
Teddie was a shadow that became good for some reason. It's been a long time so not sure on the details.

>>376978134
Finish it it's pretty good. Though you might be a bit spoiled now. If you haven't beat p3 you should as well.

that includes Ng+ anon

>>376970927
will i enjoy this even if i dont play jrpgs and hate anime?

the art direction looks amazing

>>376978196
>'Welcome to my Velvet Room'
>Doesn't say next time you come here it will be on your own accord
>Doesn't perform fusions himself
>Far more aggressive personality

>Actually being surprised by the """"""""twist""""""

>>376978392
Probably. P5 has the least amount of "anime" scenes in it thankfully (They made an entire game with a hot spring sequence I just realized holy fuck).

>>376978392
Yeah. I was in the same boat as you but a friend tried to convince me to play P4. After a month he succeeded and I played the fuck out of it, p3 and now p5. P5 is probably the best out of the three.

>>376978336
I've been spoiled on everything, but that's okay. If knowing a plot twist ruins a story, then it's not a good story in the first place. The experience is what matters, though being surprised does help improve it.

I just beat this fucking game after avoiding /v/ for the past 2 months and want to talk about it.

desu I thought it was excellent and a vast improvement from P4:
>Dungeons are actually good and aren't randomly generated shitfests. The use of light puzzle and stealth elements alongside other dungeon-specific brought some nice variety to them.
>Story is overall pretty good. New events actually happens continuously throughout the story compared to P4 where fucking nothing happened throughout the majority of it. There's so many good themes going on throughout the game with the metaverse, rebellion, and the popularity of the Phantom Thieves and they all tie together as well as they can by the end.
>Main cast is pretty solid and receives some decent development. Not as good as P2 or 3, but far and above P4 which had fucking zero development for its cast. Akechi in particular was really well written and I'm glad to see them kill off another main cast member, even if he came in late.
>The entire scenario behind the fake suicide was fucking great as well and the build-up/foreshadowing for it was excellent. Same with the Igor twist.
>Confidants actually tied into the gameplay is really slick way with legitimately useful abilities and benefits. Easily one of the best changes they made to the formula
>Game is fucking gorgeous from a presentation standpoint. There's an incredible amount of little touches in the UI & graphics and the soundtrack is great as well, although the final boss theme was a bit disappointing.

I could go on, but don't want to turn this into a fucking blog. What's been the general consciousness here so far though? Besides this thread all I'm seeing is waifu shit so I'm curious.

>>376978410
I thought his personality was explained by joker's cognition and that's why the room and everything appeared as it did. Including Igor's attitude and voice.

>>376978667
Oh I meant in terms of better gameplay and graphics. Don't worry I was also spoiled, though not on the true ending and it still was a great experience. I genuinely thought I was gonna hate the game and I was very surprised

>>376978718
Still doesn't explain why he needed Caroline and Justine to do fusions, that was probably the most damning piece of evidence actually.

>>376978704
Favorite in the series by far though I think you're being a little hard on P4. I will say I hated how everything in P5 was directly caused by "selfish adults". Because teenagers never do anything wrong or bring people down at all

>>376978704
>legitimately useful abilities and benefits.
Some are too useful though and break the game's difficulty with Strength, Death and Temperance being the three worst offenders and then you have Ohya's which isn't only bad but actively detrimental.

>>376978704
God the ruse cruise on Akechi was fantastic. For that entire month I thought the party were dumbasses for not figuring out he was a snitch, but boy was I wrong.

>>376978704
You forgot about the best part of the gameplay: Fighting actual demons instead of donutsteel "shadows"

Gives so much personality to the enemies now.

>>376979074
What did Ohya's do again?

>>376979074
>then you have Ohya's which isn't only bad but actively detrimental.
How is it bad exactly? I one-shotted most of the palaces so I never got to see it come into play at all.

>>376979175
Reduce palace security.
>>376979213
Because it lowers Treasure Demon spawn which are handy to farm occasionally, her's should've done something like increase bounty the HIGHER the security was really anything other than what it does would be a start.

>>376974564
Sapphire always does good cover songs. She and Y Chang.
>dat real folk blues one

>>376977617

>YOU ARE ALL TRULY CAUSING A REVOLUTION RIGHT NOW! GOOOOO!!!

How many Confidants did you max on your first playthrough?

How difficulty did you play on?

>>376980513
>All but 4
>Hard

>>376979141
I agree, but damn, I'm going to miss the Hulk Hogan and table with shit floating above it shadows. But yeah, they got pretty old in 3 and 4 since there were like 5 or 6 reskins of every fucking shadow per game

>>376978704

Completely disagree about Akechi, everything with him after the twist sucked. His last minute character exposition dump was lame and the PT feeling sorry for him was ridiculous given how gleefully happy he was murdering their parents and pinning the blame on them.

>>376979141

They were still shadows though?

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>>376981209
I think his point was that they used demons for the models of the shadow's manifestation instead of the Tables and Donut Cops.

>>376978293
That's about it. He was a shadow.
I'm so glad Morgana's origin was more than that.

>>376981427

Fair enough.

>>376981494

Morgana was miles better than Teddie in every way, but still, feels like there was meant to be a section where he actually became human.

>Female name
>Female voice
>All costumes are female
>No "twist" where he becomes human and finds he's a girl

C'mon Atlus. One fucking job.

>>376981703

Don't worry, the P5 redux will have a bonus month where you lead the team with Akechi while Joker is in juvie, then you do some bullshit to find Morgana and it changes into a girl. That Joker can spend time with at Valentine's.

>>376981209
Honestly I was surprised at how sympathetic the party was towards him in the end. The guy murdered people and enjoyed it. He deserved his end.

>>376981854
>Joker let's not do that, you must be tired
>Come to bed <3

>>376981950
I honestly liked that aspect, it showed they both wanted the same goal in the end. They never got too sympathetic to the point that it bothered me.

Akechi is a very good shades-of-gray type of character, way better than fucking Adachi in P4 with his shit motivation.

>>376970927
I went back and listened to all the ending themes again and I can objectively confirm Memories of You > With the Stars and Us >>>>>> Never More. Never More has no emotion to it unlike the other songs. It's just yet another Pop song among the dozens in P4.

I realize that romance is implied after they fade to Black but I think they could still show kissing for fuck sake. I'm sick of seeing girls show affection for protags while he just stand there awkwardly

>>376976484
That music was unfitting trash though, took me out of it

>>376982180
I thought with stars had no emotion in it honestly and never more was perfect for the bittersweet ending to the game honestly. Plus I just liked listening to it. I doubt I'll sing along to With Stars anytime soon

>>376978704
>Akechi was well written

You are a piece of shit human being, fuck you

>>376982123

But that's what made Adachi great and memorable, there wasn't anything deep or profound, it was almost shocking how mundane it was. Even after you figure it out, that it was him, you still have no idea what his motive was- was it about the TV in general? No clue!

Then he explains himself and you're just in shock, what? It was just a bored, angry loser lashing out at a world he'd given up on. I've literally never seen a villain with such base motivations.

It was all just for his entertainment. In a TV show. Goddamn, it fitted perfectly.

Also interesting how his narration of events didn't match at all what the flashback was showing, I thought that was a nice touch, showed how he was looking at things for his own sympathy.

>>376982313
For the millionth time, there's nothing bittersweet about P4's ending. Yu can see his friends whenever he wants, hell the Arena games and DAN confirm he still fucking sticks to them like glue. It's like he never even left.

>>376972650

>The Stars and Us
>Better than Never More

Yeah.. nah.

>>376982320
Why? Not saying he had fantastic writing but he's far and above Adachi in P4, who had complete shit motivations and never murdered anyone past the initial two killings in a game about a fucking serial killer.

>>376982421
Well I thought it was bittersweet when I first played it and there wasn't two million spin offs for the game with all the same characters. They didn't have those in mind when they made the vanilla game and the song implies they won't see each other and will just move on with their lives

>>376982421

Those games didn't always exist anon.

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>>376970927
is there a point in the game where I can't level up mishima?

I'm at the final dungeon and everyday passes and and he never shows up to hang

I am at his last level, and I need that to create that ultimate persona

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>>376982618
It was never bittersweet even in 2008, the guy is still just a train ride away. Yu was always the protagonist that got the easiest time until P5 protag got the same exact ending except by car instead of train.

>>376982574
>Implying the spin offs are canon

>>376982678
They literally are. Unless you know that and pretend they're not, in which case I don't blame you.

>>376982643

It's probably too late now, but you need to do his requests to open him up.

>>376982643
Final as in Shido or final as in final?
I don't remember having any problems rushing him at the end.

>>376982418
I guess you can view it that way. For me it felt like lazy writing. Maybe if the rest of the game was up to snuff story-wise that type of character motivation would work better, but in P4 it didn't work, mainly because literally nothing happens throughout most of the story. It's especially disappointing because in a game based around a serial killer Adachi doesn't fucking kill anyone past the two at the very start.

In comparison, Akechi is fucking active throughout the entire game and you outright see him kill the main character and a guard in cold blood. The plot in P5 is also way more active in general with shit constantly going down.

>>376982471
>Adachi
>Having shit motivations

They were surprisingly credible.

Simple =/= Bad

In real life the chances of you being killed because a guy wants your money are way bigger than you being killed for some complex autruistic motive.

>>376982643
>>376982790

You can't fuse Satanael until NG+ anyway

>>376970927
Memories of You>>>Brand New Days>Never More=The Stars and Us

>>376982220

Some of the girls will kiss, pretty sure Takemi will on one of the dates.

I'd prefer they go a little farther than that. Not full-on Mass Effect sex grinding, but more risque descriptions like

>Kawakami showed me how adults celebrate Valentine's.
>Anne gave me a private modeling session.
>Takemi showed me why she's called the back-alley doctor.

>>376982676
The guy is more than a train ride away I thought however back then I thought he would be a normal person and move on with his life. I've moved from schools before and after a while the previous friends fade away. Happens when you go to college and after too. I thought that's what would happen, as the song implies. They're leaving each other but it's time they learned to deal with things themselves, and he leaves to do other things. After all the game never mentions his friends at his other school before Inaba. But then Golden happened and ruined everything

>>376982874
Unlocking all his EXP boosts certainly helps NG+ though.

>>376983030
>But then Golden happened and ruined everything
Never played Golden, what did it ruin? Kind of curious now.

>>376983096
For starters Marie. And it was when. Atlus realized they could milk P4 and 3 for all they're worth

>>376982471
Adachi had more respectable motivations than Akechi, somehow

>>376983030
I still never found it sad in any way though because

a) the game tells you right from the start he's only there for a year. it's not a surprise or anything
b) it's so stupid, there's no reason for him to go back. why not just stay if he likes it there so much? it's just a contrived way to make you part with your friends and make you feel sad. it's even worse that they reused it the same exact way in P5. worst part is that they almost did it better with Joker going to prison but he only stays there for a month and a half, which is nothing.

>>376983096
They got a happier ending where everyone got together when they become slightly older.

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>>376983030

What is this trend about shoehorned character being called Mari(e)?

>>376983373
Eh, her fight scene was alright.

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>>376983096
I thought it was completely fine that they see each other again.

>>376982815

yeah with shido, I haven't sent the calling card I wanted to get him to level 10 before fighting shido,also after I beat shido the game doesn't end right? like credits start rolling and shit ?

>>376982874


I was going to create a Yoshitsune the drains most attacks and I needed the moon arcane leveled up. gameinformer wrote an article about it:
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2017/04/14/how-to-fuse-an-invincible-killing-machine-in-persona-5.aspx

>>376983283
He obviously won't abandon his parents for his friends when he's only 16. Besides the anime covered that whole "why doesn't he just stay". Also just because you know something is gonna happen doesn't make it not bittersweet

Why is P4 so shit, /v/?

>>376983440
Who is in between Naoto and Chie?

>>376983471
I only hate it because it's popular. I dunno it just turns me off.

>>376983471
It isn't, it's just the weakest entry in the series. When P6 comes out people will probably call P5 shit too

>>376983434

Yeah. But i don't like her. She kinda ruins the perfect chemistry Asuka/Rei/Shinji have going for them.

>>376983497
Forced the Character

>>376983497
A mistake

>>376983462
>Besides the anime covered that whole "why doesn't he just stay"
Never watched the anime, but I'm curious. What'd they say?

>>376983462
>Besides the anime covered that whole "why doesn't he just stay"
That doesn't excuse the game at all.
>"hey guys you have to watch this anime adaption made by different people in order for this plot hole in the game to be resolved"

>>376983373
When are they going to finish the fucking movie series already. Sweet fuck its been like 3 years I know Anno had Godzilla but come on

>>376983283

In 4 it made sense for him to leave, his parents were back from overseas and it's natural he'd go back to live with them, a little sad, but normal. You wouldn't expect to tell your parents you've ditched them for Inaba would you?

In 5 it was a lot dumber since Joker seems to have been pretty much thrown out of his home and you've got Ryuji constantly saying you can just stay with them. Apparently things are still good between Joker and his parents, they just didn't get in contact for an entire year because..?

>>376983471

>Rushed out after P3.
>"Killer" literally did it for the lulz.
>Enemy after that is a disco ball.
>Enemy after that is revealed then wrecked in the most embarrassing manner possible.
>Introduced the blight known as Chie to the world.

>>376983450
No you have another palace after that. Do Shido and maybe Mishima's last thing will unlock. I think I completed him at that point. You should be fine. Probably
>>376983497
Marie the perfect goth girl who loves to write poetry and everybody wants to be friends with and when she tries to kill herself the entire party rushes in to tell her she's great and deserves to live, and who is secretly a super powerful god.

>>376980513
All except Hifumi, Shinya and Ohya.

Hard.

>>376983659
Yukikoposters are worse than Chieposters desu

>>376983602
He confronts his shadow who wants to live in a forgo his responsibilities to live in Inaba forever. This is right after meeting Izanami. It's pretty cool honestly, would recommend the anime.

>P4 sucked cause of randomly generated dungeons
>P3 was great though, Tartarus was fresh and fun

P3 faggots should be gassed. Between the shit gameplay and meme songs with Lotus Juice, jesus fucking christ.

>>376983471

It isn't. People are just kinda tired of it because atlus milked the hell out of it. P3 had a better atmosphere but i still like P4 more.

>>376976023
Best song

>>376983690

Marie wasn't great, but she was a hell of a lot better than "The Answer" which just retcons the entire final freaking boss and all tension from P3.

No, no, you got it all wrong, he's not the bad guy, THIS guy (never mentioned even once before) is the bad guy. And rather than a slightly ambiguous sad ending, Minato just becomes a door.

>>376983764
*Forgo his responsibilities and live in Inaba forever. Fuck I'm tired

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>>376983752
What about Yukiko AND Chie posters?

>>376983471
The cast generally just sucks, they receive little-to-no development in a huge step down from P3. Nobody dies. Nobody goes through a single arc after their initial one, Nothing at all happens to them.

The story itself is also really fucking empty:
>Go into the TV and save someone
>"Wait for the police to make their move" for a move
>Go into the TV and save someone
>Repeat until shit finally goes down with Nanako getting captured 80% of the way through the game.
>Beat Adachi
>Get dumps Japanese mythology themes on with no build-up
>Beat a literal last second final boss with no fucking build up (haha I was the TRUE mastermind all along xD)
>Game ends

It's not horrible but it's easily the worst Persona game by far.

>>376983897
Haven't played the answer cause I don't feel like it, but isn't it sadder than the normal ending since Minato becomes this sacrificial thing meant to keep evil at Bay forever?

>>376983659
i-i like Chie

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>>376983771
Nobody mentions Tartarus when they say P3 is better. They talk about the story and how the theme of death is dealt with in a much better way than in P4 where the concept of truth is never really explored and everyone is just automatically best friends with the protagonist.

>>376984063
I felt like truth was explored in the true ending

>>376983771

I agree actually. Tartarus was a chore. Also you can't control your allies...

Except on P3P where you can't even walk around the buildings and is stuck with the VN format.

It's like the game never reached it's full potential. It's still a great Persona, but people really overrated it some times.

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>>376982676
To be fair, Joker goes through a lot more shit than Yu did during his adventure.
Yu got to fight shadows with his friends in a happy go lucky adventure. Sure, the actual fights were life-threatening but he always had his friends and society backing him up and he got to relax a lot outside of the TV world.
Joker and his group had to operate as vigilantes going up against figures much higher up in the world than him. On top of risking his life in the Metaverse, he gets into a lot of shit outside of it too. Like that one time Japan's number one candidate for prime minister plotted out his assassination.
I think the hardest thing Yu went through was getting arrested for a couple hours.

I feel like I'm the only person who liked Marie.

>>376984238
Probably.

>>376983897
>retcons the boss
I doesn't retcon anything. Beating up Erabus the embodiment of despair doesn't undo sealing away Nyx the embodiment of death. It's just protecting your previous effort.
One sealed away Armageddon. The other protected the seal.
If Yukari had her way there WOULD be a retcon.
You could have a point with ambiguity being better but not necessarily.

>>376984220
And his adopted sister dying...for a couple hours

>>376984063
P3 > P4 autist here, while I'm not saying randomized dungeons are good, I do actually prefer Tartarus to P4's dungeons because if you're going to do randomized, then you might as well make it into something that's as grand a scope as Tartarus. It was actually pretty cool just having one giant tower you climb through the whole game, keeping you wondering where the top will be. Also I like that Tartarus isn't technically mandatory until the end of the game. It's somewhere that was up to the player to decide to go to level up and be prepared for Full Moon events.

Fun Fact: the P3 speedrun only goes into Tartarus about 3 times throughout the whole game.

>>376984270
>adopted sister

Is this what cousins are called now?

>>376984238
I liked Kaguya-Hime.

>>376984238
This is one of those retarded generalizations that might actually be true.

>>376983440
I'm cool with Yu coming back to see them one time years later. Arena was the one that ruined the whole bittersweet aspect of it. The DAN just fucked it more.

>>376984270
I forgot that's what she was. The game kinda forces the whole sibling relationship onto you. Why doesn't she just call you Cuz or something like that?

>>376984063
Pretty much. People need to play Umineko if they want to see how a game (or VN) actually explores Truth themetically.

P4 is nowhere close. It handles the theme so shitty

P5>>>>P3/4

Cant even bang Toriumi or cake nurse

0/10

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>>376984404
Because it's cute!

>>376984238
You are never the only one

>>376984270
I thought it was a couple of minutes

>>376984457
If P3 Protag didn't fucking die on the same day Toriumi found out he was her MMO stud, they might have gotten into a Joker/Kawakami relationship eventually.

Guys I'm at marie's dungeon in golden and I'm not sure how to do it.

Do I just have to rush through as fast as possible?

>>376984171
>tfw no P3 remake that combines the best shit of FES and P3P

>>376984270
Reminder that shit like is why P4 is garbage and anyone defending it is a casual.

>>376984063
>where the concept of truth is never really explored

I disagree. The game literally ends ealier if you're a lazy fuck that is satisfied with Namatame being the villain. Also the player has to point it out Adchi as the killer before the game spill the beans for you. And then you have all the shit that Izanami, that you had to be pretty autistic to find about without a faq.

The game is constantly giving you easy solutions for the problem and it's up to the player to say "fuck that shit. There's more to it".

While i agree when people say Izanami could have been handled better, the truth motif was pretty well done.

>>376984819
Adachi being the killer is obvious as fuck, there's no mystery behind it. The Namatame is as far as the game goes with the theme, and it's very surface level.

Again, read somewhere like And Then There Were None or Umineko if you want to see how fucking underutlized the Truth theme is in P4.

>>376983994

You need to repay P3 I think. The plot doesn't even even begin until right near the final months of the game, you spend 80-90% of it just poking around and then suddenly everything happens at once and it's exposition dump after exposition dump.

Nevermind that the whole reason it happens is because a whole group of scientists want to bring about the end of the world and kill themselves. Only one of them wasn't okay with that plan? Really?

>>376984014

The normal ending is bittersweet. You unlock the power of the Universe and defeat the boss that's said to be undefeatable. It's implied that you give up your life to do so, but it's not outright stated and your friends don't seem to be sending you off, could be read as if you really are just entirely worn out.

Then the Answer is, you died 100% (kinda), and everyone's trapped in Groundhog Day for some reason. Then some of them want to try turn back time and save you, but others don't, then they fight amongst each other and when Aigis wins they go see what happened on the moon.

Turns out you didn't die, you instead became a seal because Nyx isn't the bad guy, this new, never mentioned before, Dog is the bad guy. And he REALLY IS undefeatable, so you sealed Nyx away to stop him from getting Nyx. Well, that's a shitty sacrifice, guess the Universe Arcana isn't much good after all.

Course, that doesn't explain how you passed away on Aigis's lap if you were sealed into a door, what happened to your body exactly?

So after deciding not to save you, it turns out the "Answer" was to abandon you to your fate and move on with their lives- so your friends all leave, smiling and laughing and promising to move on to new lifes and new lovers and not to be sad about what happened to you.

It's dumb.

>>376984261

Except Erebus came out of nowhere and added nothing.

>>376984713
Just fucking leave the bitch dude. Save yourself the trouble.

>>376984063
>P4 where the concept of truth is never really explored
Did you even play the game? You literally can't even get the true ending if you don't reach out to the truth hard enough. 3's theme of death and 4's theme of truth is explored far better than whatever garbage that was supposed to be 5's theme that is never explored because the game is a rushed mess.

>>376985098
Glad I didn't waste my time on the answer then

>>376985098
The protagonist's body is actually dead and decaying, anon. IIRC it's his soul that's sealing Nyx.

>akechi boss fight comes and along and he starts using Loki in his second form
>tfw you just so happen to have a beefed up Thor as your main persona

>>376970927
agreed

>>376985098
Difference is P3 uses it's downtime to for character development and arcs. P4 does fucking nothing with it's downtime. You're also exaggerating, P3 had more consistent story beats going on than P4 ever had.

>>376985227
the answer is fucking awesome if you love SMT
the dungeons are some of the best challenge in the franchise.

>>376985194
I liked that in P4 and I'm lucky I played blind. And they do it twice in two different ways.

>>376985375
I just don't feel like going back to P3 grinding with Aegis as the main character. I already beat Elizabeth, I dont need more from that game honestly

>>376985194
>Opression was never explored in P5
Did you just not play the game, anon?

>>376985513
I thought the end explored institutionalization more than oppression

>>376984457

You absolutely do bang Sayoko in 4 if you choose those options, the game isn't even slightly subtle about it.

>>376984063

The thing is, it's not even a surprise everyone likes Yu, he's intersting, tall and handsome. As the game pointed out, even Yosuke was popular for a while when he first moved in, Yu is just better at dealing with it.

In 3 the protagonist was a disaffected, apathetic wierdo. That's not me being mean, one of the whole themes was that he didn't care if he died. He keep to himself, stared at the floor rather than meeting people's eyes and runs with his hands in his pockets, FFS, it feels like you're playing as a freaking autist, of course it takes time for people to want to do anything with him.

Joker is almost the same as Yu. He's tall, handsome and cofident, the only thing that holds him back is his criminal record, so he gets treated like a burden by everyone until they see that he's a good guy.

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Meh i personally really liked The Stars and Us

>>376985513
Theme of 5 is actually freedom senpai.

>>376985469
God Elizabeth was a bitch of a boss fight. Still to this day I have never felt greater joy from beating a boss than on that day

>>376985469
fair enough, honestly the answer would be a lot more enjoyable to repeat if you got triple XP or something

>>376985513
The ending doesn't give off the feeling if oppression and more of being slothful.

>>376970927
I find the game hard to play for more than a couple hours at a time. It's a very dense game.

>>376985469
>>376985670
Elizabeth is without a doubt the hardest bonus challenge in the entire fucking SMT franchise.

Holy shit the amount of way she can basically trap you into getting insta killed is insane.

>Starts spamming mudoon
>forgot to switch to your null dark persona
>ass hole clenches so hard throughout that long as fuck animation

I feel like Ryuji got dumber as the game went on. I really liked him but man it got annoying sometimes listening to his stupidity

>>376985375

The Answer is only good if Tartarus and RPG grinding was your favorite part of P3.

You lose your compendium, start from nothing, have zero social links and can only play on hard.

It's 60+ hours of shitty gameplay for maybe another 10-20 mins of story exposition and "Answers".

It would maybe be bearable if the Answer was good, but it's not and it takes away a large part of P3's satisfying ambiguous ending.

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>>376985760
>Elizabeth is without a doubt the hardest bonus challenge in the entire fucking SMT franchise.
Lol

>>376985062

I love Umineko and while i agree it's a fantastic story and it handles truth better than P4 i think it's a really shitty comparison since Umineko could go full mistery while P4 is part of a pre-estabilished franchised that had to waste time with dungeon exploration, the date sim aspect and all that shit.

And if you really think P3 handled death on a literally level, you're a clown.

Also, Adachi being the killer is not a bad mistery. But even when the game was released spoilers of him being the killer were out everywhere. These days is pretty much impossible for a Persona fan to play P4 without knowing about it.

>>376985760
Demi-fiend is definitely harder.

>>376970927
The stars and us is still good, but yeah The stars and Us is weaker compared to Memories of You and Never More. Especially since I cry like a bitch when I hear those two songs, but then again I heard Stars and Us before beating the game so there could be that.

Persona 5 I still think is the best game out of the three despite that fact however.

>>376985760
Demifiend, Satan and Stephen

>>376985835
>60 hours
>the answer

nigga that shit shouldn't take you more than 20.

>>376985325

I think he's not the one who needs to replay p3 anon. Until Destrega shows up shit barely happens.

>>376985760
Literally took me two weeks of trial and error and eventually guide checking...then more trial and error. That final fight lasted about 45 minutes. Fuck that fight. I hope P5s secret fight is more on Margaret's tier since I haven't gotten to it

>>376985194
In P3 Slinks and characters arks had people dealing with death. It showed them in all kinds of situations, scared, defiant, passive. The MC sacrifices his life right when he finds meaning in his life.
In P5 the theme is obviously freedom, and every character is connected to a desire to break free from society's expectations of them in some way. I found it pretty simple in comparison, a straight freedom is preferable to enslavement. But it sticks to the theme well enough.
>If you don't reach out to the truth the game ends
There's no deeper meaning to that, I felt. It's just keep looking for a better answer if you want to win. It doesn't explore how lies can benefit you, or ignorance can make you happier (they didn't argue back at Adachi) or accepting painful truths. It only dealt with "easy" truths.

I'm probably being too hard on P4, it's trick endings and the argument with Yousuke over Namatame are fun. But it doesn't really go all in on it like 5 and 3.

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>>376985194
This is complete bullshit. Two story locks where you have to figure out really obvious answers to both of them aren't exploring the theme. There's little-to-no build up to the Truth theme in P4 at all since fucking nothing happens in the story until Nanako is captured 85% of the way through the game.

A good comparison would be the Social Links. P5 did an excellent job relating all its Confidants to its theme of rebellion and oppression; every character was shackled down by some societal injustice. Some are better written than others obviously, but they all at least try to relate back to the game's core theme. On the other hand, P4's Social Links hardly, if ever, tie into its Truth theme at all.

The same arguments applies to the overall plots of both games as well. P5's entire story is centered around its theme of rebellion and oppression with really good metaphors in relating them to the metaverse and how the general population cognitively viewed the events of the game, with the rise and fall of the Phantom Theives. Comparatively, nothing in P4 builds up to the Truth theme at all besides the incredibly short "haha the real killer is lurking in the shadows" scenes you get after rescuing someone from the TV and the two story locks near the end of the game (whose answers are incredibly obvious). P4's motif is fucking surface level compared to anything in P3 or P5.

>>376985841
>DDS 1 has fucking Demi-Fiend, arguably hardest fight in the entire franchise, arguably dependent on luck
>DDS 2 has the Archangels which are all complete joke fights that can be beaten blind first time easy
what were they thinking

>>376985907
Thought she was harder than Stephen and Satan, on par with demi-fiend

>>376985956

>Implying he played it.

80% of the people who shit on Tartarus have just youtubed the cutscenes. Which I wouldn't necessarily say is sa bad thing, because fuck having +Avoid on every goddamn enemy's weakness.

>>376985745
it specifically tackles bystander mentality more than anything imo

>>376986082
I feel like the number of people who discuss these games and have actually played through 3 and the answer is getting ridiculously low

>>376986065

>Forgetting about DDS2 Satan

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>>376986082

>Tartarus

Whoops, meant The Answer.

>>376985810
Yeah he made a good first impression on me and just went down the bigger the party grew.
He's not really dumb when you talk one-on-one.
Saving everyone in Shido's palace was pretty good though.

>>376986170
Oh you're right. I was actually just playing through DDS2 and Michael was just such a shitter I couldn't believe it.

>>376986082
The Answer is a fucking slog that retroactively ruins P3's climax and ending.

>>376986253
I liked how they brought back the archangels being super powerful and meaningful in P5 after being just mid tier mostly in P4 and 3

>>376986238
>Saving everyone in Shido's palace was pretty good though.
And everyone beating him up afterwards is probably the stupidest part of the whole game. Japanese """"""""""humor""""""""" for you I guess.

Why did Akechi actually think his plan would work?
>ah yes I'll just blackmail the prime minister who the entire country backs and who isn't afraid to kill loose ends

>>376986370
I never got this trope. Happens with Mona at the end of the game too

>>376986370
I was absolutely disgusted at that scene because Morgana looks back, then just walks away.

What the fuck? Nothing to say? What a fucking DOUCHE

I don't know if I want to replay Persona 3 first, or just go and replay 4. On that note, if I'm gonna replay 4 is it worth investing in a vita for golden?

>>376986386
Because he was the only one who could kill using the metaverse

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>>376986346

>The Answer is a fucking slog

Yes as opposed to those 260+ floors of joy in the main game.

It's a perfectly good epilogue. Maybe if MC had returned for P4 Dancing or something because of his mostly-dead form having a loophole, then yeah 3's ending would have been pointless. But it's been over a decade and he's still effectively dead.

>>376985998

I love how this guy completely missed the point about the bosses of every fucking dungeon in P4 being the "true self" of each character, except they're and superficial/incorrect truth.

Every P4 dungeon was about the truth you twat. Then you have P3 with the full moon operations that don't really use the death motif until shit gets explained in the final months.

>>376986478
No it's not. Vita has no games other than weeb shovelware. Besides other than skill cards vanilla is better anyway

>>376986370
It felt like the Persona 4 bath scene all over again. At least this one wasn't disgustingly hypocritical.

>>376986507
He's working for the guy that commissioned an assassination in a police station

>>376986478
You can probably just look up the extra scenes on youtube. It's just a couple of extra scenes like a ski trip. And Marie, her dungeon and battle.
And that delicious new opening.

>>376986601

At least we can be thankful there wasn't P5 bath scene too

>>376986386
He could just kill Shido's shadow then just camp out in the Metaverse.

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>>376986478

I dunno, I feel like it's kinda hard to recommend a Vita solely for a game you've essentially already played. I'd say look for some other games to make sure the system is worthwhile.

>>376986656
Shido would wipe the floor with his punk ass

>>376986478
You could just get a PSTV super cheap instead

>>376986573
It's a slog because it requires you to either know the right fusion chains ahead of time or fucking grind. You grind maybe one night in Tartarus to pad your wallet in the first month so you can afford to power through skills at the arcade.

>>376986346
The Answer was a solid epilogue though

>>376986579
Dungeons are surface level use of the theme, it's never explored beyond that.

>"I'm you"
>"No you're not!
>"Okay I guess in truth you kinds are"

They would be a fine starting point for further development but nobody in the cast is fucking developed afterward.

>>376986704
Akechi was fucking packing 1000's of HP in his true form. I'm sure he could solo shadow Shido with the proper buffs and healing spells.

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>>376985998
>On the other hand, P4's Social Links hardly, if ever, tie into its Truth theme at all.
I don't know if this is genuine stupidity or if you're blinded by your P4 hate boner.

>tfw we'll never get a hiimdaisy comic for p5
>tfw she'll never even finish her P4 one
God why'd she have to turn into such a bitch sjw?

>>376986592
I can think of a few visual novels I'd buy on it, even if a few have PC releases laying in bed with the thing sounds way better. Also, how is it worse by adding some more stuff? Having skill cards does sound nice.

>>376986894
Don't listen to him. All the "bad" additions are pretty much completely optional. The fusion and other QoL improvements make Golden the better version.

>>376986795
Akechi isn't intelligent

>>376986795
>Akechi does only physical damage
>One of Shido's forms is immune to physical

I beat him by swapping to Ragna and putting on Rush. Shido would have no problems

>>376986806
He's right, they barely tie-in. The SLs are focused on character s accepting aspects of themselves that are difficult to accept. That doesn't into into the Truth in terms of murder mystery at all. Read Umineko if you want to see a story actually fucking use the theme correctly.

>>376986869
All women have a crazy switch that gets flipped at some point in their lives.

>>376987032
I distinctly remember Robin Hood having light and dark skills. I don't think Shido is immune to those.

>>376986869
>You wanted to say that but you didn't have enough COMMON SENSE
Gets me every time

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>>376987047
I like how you had to add
>in terms of murder mystery

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>>376986675

I really like the 2nd persona awakening theme song, it's so goddamn uplifting.

>>376987104
Shido would have won. Literally the only thing that made Akechi somewhat challenging was fighting three fucking boss fights in a row. Then AGAIN for shido

>>376987181
Because that's supposed to be the fucking plot of the game and the two don't relate.

>>376987047
>in terms of murder mystery
Thank Goodness P4 isn't just a murder mystery

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>>376986776
Persona awakenings were so much better in5 than 4.

>Awakenings in 4
>"Wow you really are me!"

>Awakenings in 5
>Badass encounter with the palace owner
>DUN DA DUN DUN
>Blood erupts from their face
>Mini boss fight
>DUN DUN DUN

>>376987032
>>376987104
are we forgetting that Loki can also cast Laevateinn, ultra high damage bless attack

>>376986959

Not true if Chie is your waifu.

They made her voice terrible and since her social link was wrapped up so well in Vanilla they had no idea what to add to it for Golden.

It's the same issue Jaheria had in Throne of Bhaal, where her story was resolved without anything left that needed to be added so she became the weakest romance.

Except Chie completely forgot her character growth from the TV World and became a simpering, self-hating crybaby. Every additional scene she has in Golden is along the lines of "Wow, I can't believe you're spending time with me. All the other girls are so much better, I don't know why you want anything to do with me..."

If you liked her spunk and positivity, it's fucking GONE.

>>376987227
This argument isn't about who was the most challenging boss fight. It's about how Akechi could solo the Shido boss fight if the player could use him with both Robin Hood and Loki.

>>376987235
How the fuck is P4 not supposed to be a murder mystery?

>>376978075
It'll probably take a bit of time, they're going to milk the shit out of 5, plus they can do DLC easily now since it's on PS3/PS4.

>>376985998
>P4's Social Links hardly, if ever, tie into its Truth theme at all
It literally had all of them understand and realize they weren't being true to themselves and their feelings.

>>376987303
Really my biggest issue with golden might be dealing with the dub, I liked what I've heard in 5 but I played the game in Japanese, along with 3 and 4. Honestly don't remember much about 3 or 4 which is why I want to replay them.

>>376987403
Akechi redemption DLC when?

>>376987232
You are a massive autist if you think you're making any sort of rational argument.

>>376987294

I think they kinda toned it down for the girl awakening scenes. Anne's whimpering was slightly muted and I think they barely show any blood for any of them. Then there's Ryuji clawing his face off and Yusuke's nails bleeding, shit was kinda gruesome.

>>376986776

-Yukiko social link was all about her finally accepting the idea of stay in Inaba and actually BEING HAPPY with her position as the INN head.

-Kanji starts to sell dolls pretty much being full open about his love for cute things.

-Rise not just accepts Risette, but actually admits the loves it an wants to go back to work.

You get the idea. The dungeon is about they finally accepting that shit is part of them. But the social links is when they truly embrace it.

>>376987605

She loves it and wants to go back to work*

Sorry. I really need some sleep

>>376987294
You can't even compare the 2. They were going at completely angles. That's like saying P3's MC awakening is better than the cast of P1 because Makoto shoots himself.

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>>376987440

P4G's dub is really good. At worst Chie's VA is a bit too hyper at first, but she fits into the character fine by the end. Quality of the character itself aside, Teddie's new VA is a major improvement.

Persona 4's truth theme was so damn lame

>>376983471
Because 5 came out.

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>>376987742
If I end up getting a vita I won't let it ruin my experience, but everyone will sound off since I remember the Jap voices. Always been a preference to play in original language when possible, but I rather have gameplay improvements than just emulate the ps2 undub again.

>>376987232

Game is about "reaching out the truth". The murder mistery is just one of the tools they use it to explore this theme.

Please stop using Umineko on your rumblings. You give Battler a bad image.

>>376987303

In the Valentines event, if you don't spend time with her Chie accepts that you're cheating on her, because why wouldn't you be? Of course you are. If she was a guy, she'd cheat on her too.

I hate what Golden did to her.

>>376978196
Originally I thought it was because Igor's voice actor died irl.

>>376988035
I thought his Japanese VA died. Not his English one so I never thought that

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>>376987294
agreed
>mfw will power plays

>>376987760
It was fine

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>>376987538
>Ann's awakening
>Badass encounter with the palace owner
>DUN DA DUN DUN
>Saliva erupts from her face

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>>376988082
>Awakening fight
>All Out Attack at 1:45
>https://youtu.be/R5uSzq6hfOw?t=1m45s

Never More in context is a punch right in the heart.

>going through Ng+
>have to deal with the five hour tutorial
>AGAIN
you'd think after four games Atlus would learn. Thank God for the fast forward button

Someone post the Persona 4 Valentine's image.

You know the one.

Someone on NG+ tell me, what happens if you shittalk Igor in the Velvet room tutorial? You can't pick the options until NG+ cause you need more Guts.

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>>376988326
I-i don't know what you are talking about anon

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>>376983029
>Takemi showed me why she's called the back-alley doctor.

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>>376988326
no

>>376988294
It's always been the thing to make me dread playing ng+

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>>376988326
>>376988459
>>376988564
Definitely not this one haha

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>>376988459
>>376988564
post it

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>>376976183
>>376976023
>SO YOU KNOW THAT WE'RE OUT THERE.

>>376987605

At the same time, it kind of felt like a rehash and locking development behind social links meant the characters were more one-note in cutscenes.

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What difficulty should i play on ng+? First play through was on normal and was super easy.

>>376988757
Just go with hard. Merciless is the same but you get less EXP and crit rate is tripled for everyone.

>>376988721
SWATTING LIES IN THE MAKING

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>>376988619
DELETE THIS RIGHT NOW

>>376988619
Yukiko's and Naoto's are the saddest.

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>>376988897
He pointed a gun at me i didn't have a choice

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>>376976023
>tfw the instrumental version plays

>>376988757
Should have played Merciless mode for your first playthrough. NG+ will always be easier for 2nd playthroughs of Atlus games.

But which palace had the best music?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GpKNVS6NWM

>>376989267
Whims of Fate is too fucking good

>>376978410
All of that could easily be explained by the persona team going in a different direction. The game has changed a lot since part 1.

>>376989267
I really like Price and Whims of Fate. Also whatever the Pyramid theme is.

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>>376989267
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKlBUY8PTaM

>>376989419
Yeah buddy
Price had probably the most heist feel to it out of all the dungeon themes. Whims of fate being in second

>>376988835
>Merciless
What? Hardest difficulty is hard

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>>376989267

The casino is the only correct answer.

The ship might have been up there were it not so much of a goddamn slog.

>>376989516
Merciless is a free DLC difficulty

>>376989363
Igor has acted the same in every Persona game. No reason to change it up now.

>>376989092
>Jokers says "Show time!" before initiating the heist

>>376989517
The ship wasn't that much of a slog. It's basically a miniboss gauntlet.

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>>376989721
>The ship wasn't a slo-

>>376989764
I thought the mice puzzles were nice desu. They put more emphasis on stealth and exploring the map instead of just looking at the minimap.

>>376976023
'WATCH US MULTIPLY'

always takes me out of the mood, what the hell does that even mean

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>best battle theme in the game
>use it basically 3 or 4 times
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsK1_NS71XA

>>376990001
It's used at least once for every dungeon then on Shadow Sae's and Goro's fights. It's used plenty dude.

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>>376990001
It's actually in every palace I think.

>>376989893
I was annoyed that they were referred to as mice when they are clearly rats. Even use rat puns. "Yosuke was rattled"

>>376990217
Not enough in every palace imo

>>376989764
What happens if a shadow catches you while you're a mouse?

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>>376990059
>Rivers in the Desert isn't used for Goro fight

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HEY

>>376990294
They get a couple turns of attacking you while you helplessly stand there, then you escape.

>>376990310
It would have ruined the impact of Shido's fight if it was used before.

P4's OST feels a lot better put together. Especially lyrics wise.

>>376990362
So it's basically an instant game over on anything but easy?

>>376990446
I survived on normal with a little bit of health the one time I got caught, but for the most part I think it would fuck you over.

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>>376988619
Yukiko and Naoto's scenes are soul destroying.

>>376987303
Chie has always had that duality of being confident and also having severe self doubt. You are kind of missing her point

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You should be grateful

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>>376990829
>Morgana tells to me ask him about the gun every fucking time
>Don't have rank 4 Guts

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>>376976023

>>376976484
>tfw P5 protagonist just fucking shoots Yaldy in the fucking face as he starts bitching about the powerup

In canon who stole kamoshidas crown, shot the ballista, broke the roullete glass, cut the holy grail veins?

>>376991136
Ann, Ryuji, Makoto and Morgana respectively.

>>376991136
I figured Morgana got at Kamoshida's crown since Kamoshida didn't actively know of him much while he had a history with Ryuji and Ann

Ryuji for balista makes sense

Makoto for roulette

Morgana or Yusuke for veins makes sense

>>376991136
Morgana, Yusuke, Goro and Morgana

>Shitty enemy variation
>Tedious bosses with way too long health bars
>Boring cutscenes every 5 minutes


Personafag shit taste confirmed (for the 100th time)

>>376991527
>Shitty enemy variation
You talking shit on my demons

CHAMPAGNE FLUTES AND

>>376991582
Yes, the art is garbage, and none of them do anything different.

>>376991527
>Post this in Bayonetta thread
>Someone posts it here
Neat.

>>376991637
holy shit you don't even deserve the (you) i'm giving you

>>376976023
ma nigga

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcWWK76Sgss

>>376988724

I don't think this at all. But hey opinions

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>>376976023
Every time that song played I knew I was going to start some shit and adults were not going to like it

>>376985635
I digged what they did with Door's characterization in the p3 movies and I hope that if anything like that comes out for 5 they play up the smug adrenaline addict aspect of Joker.

Half the time I think the dude is going to palaces for fun instead of 'justice'.

>>376990328
Boy rage comics sure are funny amirite?

>>376989903
Making babies with Makoto

it actually refers to the effect of multiple people coming out of hiding at once, 'multiplying' their numbers seemingly out of thin air

>>376987301
>has to wait a turn

>>376970927
>This game was a masterpiece
*sigh* you cant throw around masterpiece so carelessly for any game you just finished a week ago and havent even waited a couple of months or even years. No its not on the level of a FF7,DQ7, planescape, baldurs 2,nehrim, alundra, re7vr, grandia, FF6 no its not a masterpiece.

>>376977451

I got hype goosebumps just as much on NG+ as I did on NG, when the crowd are cheering for the phantom theives and the meter fills to 100%, so fucking rad.

Also twins are pretty easy as long as your MC's persona has no weaknesses.

>>376982471
I thought the pancake slip up was too obvious, but I forgave it when the interrogation scene happened, since that was pretty good.

It's how they handled him in the end that was garbage. Am I supposed to sympathize with him, hate him, or what? If they focused on him being an unwanted child without a father figure more, the reasoning about why he ended up where he was would feel better.
I know they do other stuff like him being an outcast because he was against the phantom thieves, but he set that up himself intentionally, he is your enemy during this seen as a threat working for the police.

>>376978704

Again, WHY do people rate the P3 cast so highly? They were fucking boring!

>>376976291
They could stretch it to 3 seasons or a full year, maybe do an almost 1:1 for time of year, ending right around christmas. I'd rather they have a bit too much time, P4 itself was rushed as hell at times, and with dungeon exploration being more story based, might be good to make the palaces more like actual heists and have some team building.

Plus they can't hide Yaldobaoth in a bluray release episode like Izanami.

I'm playing Nocturne right now. Is there any rhyme or reason to extra stats on levelup when my magatama is acting violently? Sometimes it heals me, sometimes it gives a stat boost and sometimes it does nothing at all. Is it random?

>>376977938
GIVE US BACK OUR TEARS!

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>>376976023

>>376989267
Casino. But props go out to the inner portion of the Museum, the Pyramid, and the Ship's restaurant music.

>>376994862
Go to bed Makoto

>>376991136
Haru was the casino sniper.
She's that good.