Why doesn't Blizzard just remove him from the game??? He's

>>376957253
Works well if you can hit heads and his ult is one of the best for comboing as it can't be reflected once it's actually doing the damage

Because normal people know he's powerful and useful, only 12 year olds on /r/overwatch that non-ironically read "meta reports" are the ones that autistically screech "XD TORB JUNKRAT HANZO ALWAYS USELESS PLS SWITCH"

>>376957525
this

He's very good actually. Burst damage just isn't as good as sustained damage in a team game where multiple people are attacking the same thing and there's no difference between having 1 HP or 200 in terms of your character functioning.

Torbjorn is the hero who needs to be removed. I've had a Torbjorn """"main"""" (who isn't griefing because he's just a Torbjorn main) in every fucking game for the last week. I don't know how these cunts made it up to high masters considering the team with a Torbjorn always loses.

>>376957253
Let's compare the objectively two only snipers in game. Hanzo vs Widow.
1: Full damage threshold: Hanzo draws his bow faster than widow can charge her shot. Hanzo does need to compensate for an arc and isn't instant hitscan though.
2: Clipsize: Hanzo never needs to reload. Widow does but has some burst up close which isn't going to save her against a good counter.
3: Movement: A good hanzo can climb to most good spots without a cooldown. Widow's hook has a cooldown.
4: Ultimates: Hanzo's ult does damage, widow's doesn't AND
5: Additional abilities: Hanzo's scan arrow, if well places is basically widow's ult. Widow's mine is weak. Scatter array is really strong if used correctly.

Guess that summarizes it. Hanzo is good. Widow is mediocre.

>>376958260
>junkrats ult does damage, lucio's doesn't.

>>376957253
^headshots you*

>>376958260
The fact that Hanzo is mid-range and Widow has effectively infinite range says otherwise.


But in reality, both are mediocre if both teams are of roughly equal skill.

>>376957525
But junkrat is always useless though. Shit damage but no more health than a dps

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>lose game
>Hanzo: Thanks!
Nothing boils my blood more than that.

>>376959238
He's a decent pick for first spawn on Sanctum.

>>376957525
since when Junkrat is bad?

BECAUSE I LOVE HIM

>>376958052
torb mains gain more SR than they lose on average

it's just how the algorithm blizzard put into place works. same shit for sym and bastion mains

>>376958052
Torb COULD be good, Blizz really knows how to create characters, but no idea how to make them work.

Hanzo's arrows can go through shields

He is now viable and countered by the existing stuff who jump on him

>>376961152
This is pretty much what both snipers need to be not shit. Piercing damage

>>376961152
I would be fine with them making extra damage to shields

>>376961081
torb is fine dude

>>376961404
What if he got a new arrow type that put a hole dynamically in shields for X seconds? So he could drop an arrow right on the part of the shield that cover's Rein's face and people light him up.

>>376961521
sounds like it'd just make tanks with shields useless

>>376961689
Doesn't have to be a big hole, and still requires someone to hit the arrow there. You could predict or maybe see the trail and drop shield and put it right back up after. Shields are absolutely a problem and just one future hero dealing with them won't be enough.

>>376957253
Good Hanzos are a nightmare, they'll fuck any team up

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>>376958052
anon... M and GM don't know how to counter The two top winrate heroes cause they're never picked. Meta slaves get fucked the moment theres no meta.

>playing offense
>someone on my team instantly picks Hanzo
>never helps push or cap, ignores the point until we lose
>says "shit team" once the match is over
I've seen a lot of people act like retards in Overwatch, but Hanzo mains seem to be the only people who consistently act like retards and then take it out on everyone else.

>>376962981
>but Hanzo mains seem to be the only people who consistently act like retards and then take it out on everyone else

Genji and Mercy mains. Widowmaker mains are awful, but not quite as awful as Hanzo mains.

>>376961946
Piercing damage for Hanzo/Widow would be a better option I think.

If you could punch calculated holes in shields, the entire team benefits from the hole provided they know that the hole is about to show up and they have good aim.

If Arrows/Rifle do piercing damage, it would allow Hanzo and Widow to pressure shield users without completely changing their playstyle. If you do land a pierce shot, it should do reduced damage because it had to pass through the shield.

It should be an option used to pressure shield users rather than create a situation where they could be potentially deleted if your team coordinates around it. You'd probably see even more Hanzo+Widow teams if Hanzo had a hole punch move.

>Hanzo tells Widow he's going to punch a hole in the shield soon
>Widow lines up the shot
>Hanzo punches the shield
>Shoots another arrow through the whole presumably at the head/scatter
>Widow goes for a headshot the moment the shield hole goes up

At this point, Rein would likely have to retreat meaning either turn around or drop the shield which leaves him vulnerable to crossfire or another followup shot from Widow/Hanzo.

There'd be way more salty Reinhardts complaining than there would be happy Hanzo and Widow mains, leading ultimately to Reinhardt himself becoming a short distance melee sniper tank with a retooled fully auto reloadable Firestrike to counter the new Widow+Hanzo meta instead of just making Bow/Rifle do partial piercing damage through shield.

>>376963189
People would just pick dva more.
What a dummy.

>>376961689
is this not what OW needs?

>>376961509
He'd outright be better if his turrets preferred the direction of torbs aim. Like a gunslinger kind of deal

>>376963896
But then more people would pick Reaper because he turns D'va into shit. Sounds like balance to me?

>>376963189
>punch a hole in reinhardt shield
>he now has to flail his mouse around like an idiot to make sure nothing goes through it

Brilliant idea

Remove Genji, Mei, and D.Va while you're at it.

It's like Blizzard intentionally made all the chink, gook, and nip characters utterly fucking obnoxious.

>>376957253
>Why doesn't Blizzard just remove him from the game???
Because people, especially /v/, like to bitch about how devs are removing content from games.

The problem is when he takes up a support slot. Blizz could fix all of this by:

Making a queue system where you preselect a class

Defense and Assault grouped together.

DPS snipers and Torb are grouped separately.

You are locked into the class for the first 1:45 of each round (sniper can freely change to other dps).

Queued teams only have a max one sniper/torb.

>>376966763
>game is based around picking synergetic team compositions and couters for the opposing team
>You are locked into the class for the first 1:45 of each round
stop

>>376967346
It's either that or allow votekicking in comp so you can force cancel a match

>>376959238
literally does the most damage than any other pick in the game. Are you fucking high?

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>>376967913
>literally does the most damage than any other pick in the game
ayy lmao

>>376966763
that is the worst idea ever considering the game is built around counter picking, so if you get counter picked you just give up the first round or the game

i stopped playing this trash months ago

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I want to play this character but I can't fucking stand his voice lines. They drive me fucking insane. What were they thinking making such a cringe character. Literally Coldsteel levels of edge, absolutely absurd.

The only way I'll ever play this guy is if they completely rework his voice.

>>376957253
Quickplay has a smaller character select pool than competitive because everyone in QP instalocks Hanzo, Widow, and Genji

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>>376968648
The silly OTT edgelord thing is quite intentional.

>>376968648
Don't, he's shit.

>>376968032
straight up damage, not DPS you retard.

>>376957253
>remove 3d assets and animations that cost money
Never. Enjoy Hanzo in your serious business Smash Bros FPS.

>>376968648
Doesn't he kind of suck now anyway?
I've heard he's supposed to counter tanks, but can't do it reliably anymore.

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>>376968991
>he does the most "straight up" damage not the most damage per second!

>>376969126
Yeah, he works pretty well as a surprise pick, but once they realize what you are up to then he becomes trash tier.

>>376968920
>>376969126
I know he's bad, I don't really give a fuck. He seems fun. But his dialogue makes me want to mute the game.

>>376969190
Jesus fucking christ i think you might be retarded, anon.

>>376968991
>relying on fucking junkrat for consistent damage
His projectiles are slow and are affected by gravity. The only way you can reliably hit is if you trap someone.

>>376968648
So you take the other chacter's voice lines seriously? That is cringe.

>>376968032
but bastions damage is shit tier since his nerf, orisa ends up doing more damage than him

>>376968648
I'd rather him not talk at all. He's supposed to be a tank buster that can flank but everything he does is loud as fuck, nullifying any flanking ability he has.
>try walking up to a distracted scoped widowmaker
>forget that the boots are made of 70 lbs of lead
>she can hear me walk in from across the map
>get shot in the face
The worst garbage I've seen from him was when I was playing hog
>sitting on the point on Nepal
>hear "REAPERISITIONING" from above me
>hook him before he can do anything
>shit in his edgy face
It would have been a great flank but the fucking edgelord can't shut the fuck up for one second for a surprise attack

>>376969581
Or if you can actually aim, but i don't expect that kind of skill from anyone who plays overwatch.

>>376969623
Wow, that's false.

>>376969740
It technically can do more damage at long range since it has no falloff.
But Bastion's gun is hitscan, meaning you can consistently hit an enemy at long range in the first place.

>>376969330
Prove me wrong, faggot.

>>376970052
Yeah, his fire rate is almost 3x faster. He'll blow down rein's shield faster at any range.

>>376962412
Are you retarded? He literally said that the team with the Torbjorn always loses.

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>>376968648
>he can't handle over the top edge characters

>>376969709
no, even if you're literally perfect at aiming junkrat is just worse than other characters.
the reason why is actually fundamental to the way blizzard designed the game: characters with explosives cannot be allowed to be "too good" or else good players could dominate entire teams of lesser players in the most direct way possible, actually killing them. it's also against the "group up and push" paradigm the entire game adheres to.

>>376970885
>characters with explosives cannot be allowed to be "too good" or else good players could dominate entire teams of lesser players

what is pharah?
what is pharah mercy wombo combo?

>>376970608
and i literally just posted winrates stating otherwise

youre an idiot man

>>376957525
yeah you're completely wrong faggot

>>376968648
>he doesnt like how overthetop maximum edgelord reaper is

why do you people hate fun

>>376970885
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHTe-zWTWtA

>>376970982
she's only actually useful if you're fighting a team that can't hit stuff in the air.
actually her best asset is flying. the explosive characteristic is made to not matter at all.
she's not particularly impressive on paper anyways.

Hanzo has the highest skill ceiling in the game, it's no wonder gold-tier shitters complain so much about him.

>>376957253
"diversity"

>>376971204
No, that's Widow.

>>376971226
Theres two Japanese characters this has nothing to do with diversity you dumb nig.

>>376970990
Every Torbjorn and Symmetra main has a high winrate despite the fact that they always lose. Have you ever even passed 3000, nigger?

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>75% of players are under diamond
>Vast majority of players still insist they're at all useful in high skill ceiling DPS roles
>People who insta lock Genji/Widow/Hanzo and get less elims than me playing a tank

If your shot accuracy is consistently bad, your positioning is god awful, and your desire to trickle in and die without the team and yell at the support for not healing you is off the charts, why do you still think playing DPS is a good idea? Tanks and support aren't even boring to play.

>>376971610
hes a diversity hire. everyone is "included" regardless of usefulness

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>>376970990
>54.1% WR out of 0.81% pick rate
Loving every laugh

>>376971686
the image was grandmaster only

>>376971342
>Widow
>Has to have sights on you to get a hit due to the nature of hitscan

>Hanzo
>Can kill you before you even spot him due to the nature of projectile

That's the thing, a godly Hanzo would be devastating but there's no one close to achieve his true potential nor I think there will ever be. Talking specifically about skill celing where a hero is played at his 100%, of course

>>376972119
I can see that. Winrate doesn't matter because of the way it's calculated.

>>376970052
>bastion
>long range
have you played since his turret form had headshots removed and maximum spread applied?

>>376972297
>high winrate despite always losing

you need to look up the definition of win, rate, always, and losing.

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>>376972119
>>376972297
Also you've probably never even touched Masters, so you opinion on what happens M and GM doesn't matter.

>>376972630
Numbers dont lie anon, they never lie.

>>376972613
>>376972725
Anon, are you retarded? I have a 75% winrate on Mercy despite the game also saying I have zero games played with her. The way the winrate is calculated means that winrate is worthless. If you ever left wood tier and actually become a Master of Grand Master, you would see that the team with the Torbjorn ALWAYS loses. He is incredibly easy to counter and the only way you'll ever have a chance of not losing is if you use ALL of your resources to protect the turret.

>>376972630
Well if you want to be a pragmatic dickhole about it then yeah, I guess nothing relating to this conversation matters.

>>376972834
Why do you have to try to tell me what happens in my rank when you've never even touched it? I can guarantee that the team with the Torbjorn will lose 8/10 times.

>>376972824
I've seen people win with Torb on attack in top 500

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>>376968892
>>376968648
>You're welcome

Also, the only reason Symmetra and Torbjorn have positive winrates in the first place is because of people who play them on defense and then swap on offense. It still gives them the win for their win rate.
>>376973080
Okay, and? That is literally a fluke. Torbjorn on attack costs his team the game almost every time.

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>>376968991
>straight up damage, not DPS
What did he mean by this?

>>376973216
Nah you top see 500 streamers do attack torb and win. I've seen iddqd and seagull do it multiple times.

>>376972824
Not them, but you are just 1 player, dummy. The stat is looking at thousands of players with lots of games each.

>>376973465
>pros can fuck around while queuing with other pros and win in pubs
Do you realize how retarded you sound? Anon, you can say whatever you want. It doesn't change the fact that attack Torbjorn usually means you lose.

>>376968648
>being so insecure

It's okay if you had a half-demon OC when you were 14, it is a part of growing up and having fun as a gift as well as taking first steps into creative ventures. There's no need to be so ashamed of your past.

>>376971990
Tanks are boring as FUCK. Only Winston is fun because he can jump around.

>shit bullets out on enemy
>they slowly turn around and shoot me one time, killing me instantly

Why does this happen?

>>376973570
Do you not realize I'm talking about Torbjorn mains who play him on both sides? Defense Torbjorn is fine. Attack Torbjorn means you lose.

>>376971204
Thats Tracer
to bad people get put off from playing her cause of the health

>>376973676
dude are you even the same person?

" If you ever left wood tier and actually become a Master of Grand Master, you would see that the team with the Torbjorn ALWAYS loses"

feels very mid plat in here

>>376973831
Read the first post in this chain. You know, the one where I'm talking specifically about Torbjorn """mains.""" Being a anything main means you will play it on both sides no matter what.

>>376972486
I imagine he's not a fucking retard who never uses recon mode so he's actually seen the crosshair

>>376974038
oooooooh

>>376973746
>Play hog, just be a better DPS that can take more damage and heal himself
>Play Zarya and deny people all day with well timed shields then zap people with 100% charge
>Play Rein and pull off 6 man ults and then just smack everyone
>Play D.va and eat every enemy ult then fly around and kill everyone

I haven't really done much with Orisa to have any great stories, and Winston is entirely hit or miss depending on team comps and how good your supports are. Otherwise, tanks are a fucking blast.

>>376973216
I'll say Torbj is a great opener for attack side, since he can demolish plebs who can't figure out to counter him. If they do counter, just switch. I made it to high masters with this in mind.

>>376970507
>LShift, Mouse1, Mouse2
>240 damage in the time it takes for the direct hit from your m1 -- under a second.

If they don't die either you, them or both of you will go flying from concussion concussion mine.
I don't understand why i don't see other people doing this so much.

>>376974573
>concussion concussion mine
your concussion mine*

Not sure what happened there desu

>>376972235

Look Up "Wraxu" on youtube.

How is it mathematically possible for my team to get utterly shit on for team rolls in Mystery? I have legitimately not won a fucking ROUND all weekend long.

>>376962213
This. I've gotten near solo double team wipes with Hanzo and consistent solo team wipes and my team is never smart enough to capitalize. People just don't understand how to play the game.

>>376972235
> a godly Hanzo would be devastating but there's no one close to achieve his true potential nor I think there will ever be


Trust me we are out there. It's just not fun having kids scream at you or throwing just because you chose Hanzo.

>>376962412
Aren't these just skewered by the fact that defence will win more often?

>>376974315
Nothing beats that feel when you have ult up as Rein and the enemy was stupid enough to not run a Rein.

>>376975013
offense wins more often at that level and you need to attack then defend

>>376975013
Attacks win more often at Master and GM, though (except for on 2CP, where people will stall for several minutes at a time).

>I'm throwing
lol

>>376974903
>tfw you get a hanzo that literally dumpster trashes the enemy and he even shit talks them

Makes me rock solid. Also makes me wish I could actually play hanzo since I think he's sick

>Deflect and Defense Matrix not only got the green light to put into an FPS game, but Defense Matrix got buffed, and Deflect has not been touched in any way at all since inception even though it is utterly broken.

Shit like this is why no one will ever take Overwatch seriously as a competitive game.

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When will they fix his noreg arrows?