Well, /v/? It's interesting to note that this is a common

>>376911580
I'd switch the tracks. Which answer supposedly determines whether or not I'm crazy?

I take out my phone and look at it and pretend i didn't notice the situation at hand

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I think we all knew the correct answer to this one.

>>376911717
Neither answer determines you are crazy. Seeing/hearing things in the traditionally crazy sense is psychosis and would make you a psychotic.

Sociopathy and psychopathy are simply a lack of feeling fear, which often translates to being unable to feel empathy or connect with others. (there's a whole debate about the difference between the two that I CBA to get into).

But basically, switching the track indicates sociopath/psychopathic nature because the average person would be too frightened and stressed to be able to calmly make such an analytical decision in such a situation. Apparently.

>>376911580
Switching tracks makes you directly responsible for killing a person, not switching does not, unless you are responsible for causing this situation.

>>376911580
I don't want to be the cause of someone's death so I do nothing.
Someone else chose to tie down those people, he/she murdered them and I have nothing to do with it.
I just hope they don't all suddenly get up from the tracks and start yelling at me for it.

i'd switch the track, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

>>376911906
But everyone who answers the question does so without urgency

>>376911940
right answer. same as me. I walk on by I didn't see nothin'

>>376911906
How obese is the fat man, is it even possible to push a whale of a train?

Don't switch, the more people die the better
Only retards would tie themselves to train tracks so who cares

>>376911940
Legally though inaction makes you just as responsible as taking action, at least in most countries.

if the five were muslims and the one were you're waifu, would you still switch

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>>376911906
>>376912071

I guess another big part of the question is the feeling of guilt, hence >>376911940
>>376911987

>>376911940
Literal cuck.
>I-I'm s-so afraid of b-being responsible ;_;

And what if the five tied people were old people and the one on the other track was a kid?

>>376912226
If taking action results in killing another person it does not, quite the opposite, you will be held responsible.

>>376912071
In the interview with the psychiatrist/psychologist they talk with you during the questioning, it's more about your train of thought than your answer.
For example, if you never even mention not wanting to be responsible for a death then they write that down for more likely to be crazy.

>>376912246
this is a direct foreshadowing of the situation with alex near the end

>>376911940
This is the dumbest fucking argument. Being in a position to help and CHOOSING to do nothing still makes you responsible.

>>376911940
Not switching the tracks makes you equally responsible. You're not doing "nothing", you're actively making the decision to let five die instead of one.

>tfw i am too lazy to do anything

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>>376911987
>>376911940
>>376911867
>>376912180
all that is necessary for evil to triump is for good men to do nothing
aren't you indirectly killing 5 other people by negligence ?

>>376911580
Get on the track infront of the train
Stop it with my bare hands
untie all 6 people, switch the tracks, and push the train

>>376912180
but action still causes someone to die. the only arguement here is whether you want to decide who should die.

smart choice is to do nothing and have no guilt

>>376911906
Can I switch to a third track that kills way more people but they're all psychologists and sociologists?

>>376911580
That's complete horseshit. The trolley problem originates in contemporary ethical philosophy and was used to figure out how important individual action was to ethical decision-making. The trolley problem wouldn't help you identify a sociopath, it isn't used by psychologists to detect sociopathy, and in fact there is little clinical applicability to the concept of "sociopathy" since it is couched in unobservable/nonbehavioral terms.

I switch the track and stab the 5 people to death

>>376912330
>not wanting to be responsible for a death
>crazy
what ?

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>>376911580
...but only if it's the fat man.

>>376912549
ALWAYS kill the fat man

>>376911987
>I just hope they don't all suddenly get up from the tracks and start yelling at me for it.
IT'S JUST A PRANK BRO

>>376912518
Well that's just inefficient. It would be much simpler to leave the track as is and just stab the one guy.

>>376912461
>>376912226
quoting is hard

>>376912427

You aren't killing anyone by negligence.

You didnt get those people into that situation in the first place.

You're completely clean of any kind of wrongdoing untill you conciously choose to pull the lever and end someone elses life.

Hundreds of people die every single day, and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>376911580
What game?

>>376912356
oh shit thats a very cool detail

I put do nothing on all these questions. Fuuucccckkk iiiiiitttt

i'd ignore the train and go play fucking video games

They were just looking for behavioural differences I reckon. They didn't think Morgan was sociopathic/psychopathic.

>>376911580
wait what vidya is this ?

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Post trolley problems

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>>376912609
System Shock 2.5

>>376912467
Yeah, this is really hard to answer unless we know the type of people on each track. If it was someone really important like Gabe on track one then obviously the other five would have to die.

>>376912427
If a doctor has 5 patients who will die without organ transplants, and there's no donors, is it ethical for that doctor to go out on the street, kill a passerby, and harvest his organs?

I mean, it's one life for five, right? And by not taking that action, the doctor would be allowing 5 people to die by his inaction

>>376912534
Read again.

>>376912591
It's better those the five retards to know they will die a slow painful death for putting me in this situation

>>376912695
Dumb fucking pcbro

>>376912695
gabe woud be the fat man

>>376911580
Considering I'm a neurotic basketcase, I'd end up doing nothing by panicking until it was all over anyway.

>>376911580
I would switch the tracks, it's better to save as many people as possible

They knew, or at least had a rough idea that it could cause psychopathic tendencies. I forget when but they noted that you're personality seemed to turn more aggressive as the simulation went on because even without your direct memories, you had leftover sentiments from the emotions you felt at the time

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I have to share this planet with fucking plebs who think that inaction means no accountability.

I'll hold you responsible for whatever I fucking like, faggot. I don't care what your opinion on the fucking matter is. You all go to the scaffold for murdering four people.

>>376912330
more evidence that psychology is a psuedoscience

>>376912582
I was thinking more along the lines of APATHY IS DEATH.
But this works too.

>>376912330
They are asking me a question, and if I try to tell them I don't want to play they're going to tell me that's the hidden 3rd option and think I'm crazy anyway. People die all the time, so since I'm being forced to take this thing then I will pick the option that kills the 5 people. The image of him being alone reminds me of myself, so I'd rather save him.

Turn around and walk away, pretend I never saw the tracks and the people tied to it.

If I interfere I could get charged with murder, probably sued by the survivors for causing them emotional distress.

>>376912246
This question is where I have a hard time. Before, I could sacrifice one life to save many. I can do that.; it's only logical of course. Then the option presents itself where I could sacrifice my own life to save everyone else, or sacrifice another to save the rest. When my own life becomes an option, I would rather do nothing. What right do I have to choose who lives or dies when I'm not willing to sacrifice myself?

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>>376912678
I love these. Got an entire folder full of 'em.

>>376912756
What if Boogie was on the second track with the other four?

>>376912330
In truth, you're not really responsible for someone's death in that situation though. No matter what you do, people are going to die, and blaming yourself for it wouldn't be right.

>>376912427
no, if I could find the guy who strapped the people to the tracks I'd tip the FBI. but I'm not playing his sick mindgames

>>376912847
Post up nigger

>>376912605
boo hoo grow a spine you worthless worm, there death is in your hands

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>>376912726
oh, i should have paid more attention sorry desu

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>>376912785
(You)

>>376912678
The trolley wouldn't even have enough speed to make a whoop-da-loop after running over 5 people.

>>376911580
Kill the 5 people then the other guy since he saw me commit homicide.

>>376912461
Then it boils down to strictly numbers, who wouldn't feel more guilty about letting more people die than live? Technically by taking action you're saving four lives.

>>376912816
Who the fuck is dumb enough to put a fucking barn on top of railroad tracks? How is that barn not already destroyed by the time I got there?

>retarded lib sci major with babbys first psych class trying to infer sociopath and psychopath are the same fucking thing
tell me about cognitive dissidence one more time, or how about a fucking skinner box

yeah , rewarding people keeps them coming back, good job, you paid thousands of dollars to understand common fucking sense a child would know

>>376912725
Back alley organ harvester. Now that would make for a fun sim game

>>376911580
>interrupting one of jigsaw's games
I'm not the smartest guy but I'm smarter than that OP.

>>376912360
But in the eyes of the law, you aren't helping.

>>376912605
But here are 5 people facing impending death in a situation where you can do something about it.

>>376912876
The only person on those tracks is (Yu )

>>376912605
You're actively letting 5 people die over one. That makes you pretty responsible. Please never consider a healthcare profession.

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>>376912909
Sure thing.

>>376912776
The robot would attempt to stop the train himself, sacrificing himself in the process and probably failing. If you put the robot in an inescapable glass box, it would probably explode from the paradox it's been placed in.

>>376912896
guys stuck on the track are gonna have to take one for the team

>>376912959
There's a reason those people were placed on those tracks.

>>376912785
*kills you*

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>>376912785
we're trying to have a nice civil discussion here sir, there's no need for this

>>376912476
>The trolley problem originates in contemporary ethical philosophy

That doesn't contradict anything said.

>was used to figure out how important individual action was to ethical decision-making

This also doesn't contradict anything said.

>The trolley problem wouldn't help you identify a sociopath, it isn't used by psychologists to detect sociopathy,

Wrong. Also not what was said. Sharing traits of something does not automatically mean you have/are that something. Additionally, they search for traits precisely because there's no widely-agreed upon consensus for diagnosis or medical definition.

>there is little clinical applicability to the concept of "sociopathy" since it is couched in unobservable/nonbehavioral terms.

It can be "observed". The reason psychologists are shy about psychopathy is that there's no perfect, standardised definition of it or treatment/therapy for it. Yet traits of it and an observable lack of empathy or fear are used to describe certain people in the criminal justice system, especially by psychiatrists.

>>376912948
You don't know how fast it's going or its mass

>>376911580

The point of the question is not how you answer, it's how you justify your answer.

Source: literally 10 years of psychology education that I'm not even using.

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>>376913065

A C B A C
Enjoy your neuromods :^)

>>376912725
>is it ethical
who gives a shit.
how much money are those 5 patients willing to pay?

>>376912959
Yes

>>376912725

This is a terrible, retarded analogy. Seriously, what were you thinking?

>>376912726
>>376912918
In your defense, anon should've written a more clear sentence. It looks like shit and reads like shit.

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>>376912330
not gonna lie this sounds pretty retarded
I'm being presented a hypothetical, you can try to walk me through it all you want but it's still a hypothetical, I'm not actually IN that situation
and to me, answering a hypothetical question is fun. no one is actually in danger. this is stupid

>>376912994
It's actually extremely common to have railroad tracks and trains run through large barns and similar factories. Take a road trip through the American mid-west and you'll see a lot of shit. Of course, they're designed that way and the situation presented here is just being a pain in the ass.

>>376913189
I'd rather not pull the lever here.

>>376912832
You're one crazy bean, anon.

>>376911580
Which track has the cutest loli?

>>376912591
The 5 people are tied up and can't get away.

>>376913065
Fuck no. Let the ungrateful bastards die if they'd just bitch

>not saving people is the same as killing them
wew

>>376912725
good job for being the biggest moron around

>>376913262
>you cannot kill yourself
Sartre lies triggered in his grave.

>>376913189
Pulling as long as it's the dark half

>>376913262
>Torturing them with nip shit in their final moments
All-Star it is.

>>376913068
No, it would try to break out of the glass and fail. No one was coming to harm from it's inaction, it's just it wasn't able to act well enough to save the humans.

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>>376913232

>>376913189
Pull it, undoubtedly
We need fewer people on the earth

>>376912832

Spotted the future murderer

>>376912678
Do you have the asceticist's trolly problem?

>>376913268
I've lived in the Midwest all of my life, and I've visited rural areas multiple times. Not once have I ever seen railroad tracks go through a barn.

You're dumb as shit, OP. It's a question posed by philosophers, not psychologists. No shrink worth their salt would think the answer to that question is a valid metric for anything.

It's far more valuable as a tool to troll your average pseudo-intellectual college freshman.

>>376911580
by most laws and doctrines in most countries, switching tracks would make you responsible of the deaths, whereas doing nothing you would walk free

don't fall for the "to save 10 I must kill 1" meme, it doesn't exist because doctrine doesn't see life as a number to be weighed against another number, 1 life is as worth as 1000

if you find yourself in this situation, unless you are obligated to switch tracks by violence/coercion (thus you do not bear responsability) or if your family/close relatives are the ones tied, the best course is to do nothing

Inaction is an action in of itself. By choosing to do nothing, you are choosing to do something that results in the death of five people.

In that case, you are a bit of a knobhead.

>>376911906
I thought the decision had more to do with how the interviewee responded to the two questions. With the former they are not directly involved-they only push a button, and their options are to push a button and 1 dies and not and 5 people die.

With the fatman scenario they have to more directly kill someone to save those lives. It can be an indicator of sociopathic traits if the second decision is as easy as the first, as they see no difference between the two.

Specifically hooked up to a fMRI the amygdala lights up in the fatman version, but does not in the a sociopath. You can take a guess at this by how easy the response to the second vs first question is.

>>376913315
yes that is how the world works you ignorant neet

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>>376912591
Its also the most entertaining

>>376911717
Seeing how you react to the question determines

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>>376913442

>>376913442
Eat shit britcuck.

>>376913454
Maybe in your commie shithole.

>>376913232
That's actually a really good one

>>376913335
>BT

There are no A-Wall Users in singleplayer.

Pull it

>>376911580
You are not responsible for the train going for the five people, if you swithc tracks though, you are commiting murder.

So the legally correct answer would be Do Nothing

>>376911580
Do these questions affect anything in the game?

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>>376913335

>5 pilot kills

k/d is the only thing that matters.

>>376912894
True, but you'd still blame yourself, even while knowing that.
And like i said, it's about the thought passing through your head and becoming a question.

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>>376913469

>>376913021
Depends what country I'm in. If it's the USA, then RIP in pieces those 5 people.

>>376912896
Fuck.

>>376911580
Switch the tracks twice.

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>>376912825
>Trump
>doing anything against corrupt politicians
Come on, you cannot be that distached from reality.

>>376912914
>>376913050
>>376913064

Have fun committing murder and living the rest of your life in guilt

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>>376913431
>>376912476

>mfw my psychiatrist asked me to solve the trolley problem during CBT

>>376913148
So if I sad I would do nothing because I dont want to be involved, what does that say about me?

>>376913234

Are you retarded? Do you know what the point of a hypothetical question is? Holy fuck /v/, go back to school

>>376911580
The only reasonable answer is

1. Switch tracks
2. Don't push fat man

And the reason is my belief in my own judgement outweighs my implicit trusts in authority. As the professional in charge of the tracks, I understand the mechanical system and therefore trust that switching tracks can indeed cause the end with the greater good.

On the other hand, how the fuck do you (the question askers who are implicitly outside higher authority in this situation) know killing the fat man will stop the train at all? By asking me to kill the fat man, you (authority) have implicitly assumed I would trust your unqualified assumption that killing fat men stops trains. I personally don't understand your logic nor trust your unproven certainty that this act of evil will cause the greater good, but do understand that the act of killing another person feels morally wrong, therefore I'm not going to take your orders

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>>376912678

>>376912847
But you can see the tracks move when you pull the lever

Unrealistic as fuck

>>376913335
Kill the top tier faggot. I can get the other 5 myself later.

>>376911906
for the first test it's simple you basically pick between more or less deaths.
but for the second test im not gonna push some innocent dude on the tracks to save others lives.

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>>376913621

I would happily end my pathetic existence.

>>376911580
wont you get charged with murder if you pull the lever? I always thought of it that way so I freak out and say I leave it alone

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I don't like this thread

>>376913383
Fair enough. Good answer.

Someone post the one where god is just a giant version of the lever guy and all around him is a grid of weirder and weirder trolley problems.

>>376913423
>>376913270
There's no use thinking that deep over a decision like this. You either save one life, or the 5 others, people will die regardless, trying to get all philosophical over something that simple is unnecessary imo. When it comes down to it decisions are made in the moment with a person's emotion, people don't think logically under pressure. I would rather save the single guy simply because him being alone, even on his death bed is just too sad for me, it reminds me so much of myself and how I have no one. The other 5 may its own merits to consider them worth saving, but like I said, I don't really care about thinking too deeply about something so simple.
I mean, who knows, maybe when I get there I'll pick something else, or maybe not. People are just like coins, they can land on either side when thrown up into the air.

>>376912994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZeB21sTFdg

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>>376913050
>>376913064
you are not legally obligated to help a person if you can get injured or have any risk by helping or if by regular means you couldn't have changed the situation

in this case, you bear a high risk while helping those people, doing nothing is the correct choice, not in the moral sense (that's subjective) I'm talking about legal responsabilty

>>376912373
the five people were already going to die. you dont get to play god by choosing to let 5 people live instead of 1. you do nothing because it is not up to you who lives or dies

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>>376911906
>Sociopathy and psychopathy are simply a lack of feeling fear
wew fucking lad stop posting any time

>>376911906
>>376911580
what game is this from?

>>376913335
PULL

>>376913575
This problem is a purely linguistic one. There is no such thing as a trolley, only a certain structure of objects that we name a trolley. What is and isn't the same trolley is entirely a matter of what we choose to name or not name a trolley.

The Theseus paradox is silly.

>>376913956
Prey

>>376913108
Isn't the fetus already dead?

>>376913682

I wouldn't, cause I would have saved 4 people's lives as opposed to none. Nice job giving a fuck about no one except yourself.

>>376913728

Nothing. That's basically what is considered the most neutral possible answer.

>>376912825
Truly the only thing sadder than Hillary worship is Trump memes

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>>376911906

>>376913916

I always decide who lives or dies.

It's whether if people choose to stop me if my godly intentions became a reality or not.

>>376913108
whatever bro, those dudes can take those condoms off.

>>376913941
pulling makes the cart take a detour, delaying their deaths for a higher chance of rescue

you can pull the lever and claim you were trying to help

How you answer is wholly dependent on whether you accept utilitarianism or deontology.

>>376913164
You're killing an entire person either way

>>376913941
The bill isn't on the tracks so the trolley should pass straight over.

>>376913998
is that a sequel or a remake of the old prey?

does it suck?

>>376914034
>no sights
i'm probably going to miss either way, but i might as well go for the bigger target

>>376914045
Jesus he got fucking splattered

>>376913907
No one's thinking that deep about it but you man. Not even reading your post.

>>376913907
You should maybe see a therapist or something.

>>376913943
Shit everything in A. applies to me. Should I go see a shrink? Will they lock me up?

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>>376913920
Fuck you, Infamous.

>>376911906
>But basically, switching the track indicates sociopath/psychopathic nature

Its a hypothetical scenario you fucking autist

>>376913164
I dont get it? If you leave the train on the path its on in case A no one dies and you save a person.

>>376914086
in scenario 1 you're killing 3 according to jim crowe

What if the 5 people you save go on to becomes Manson's family? And the 1 person was the guy who assassinates Joseph Stalin?

>Take the elevator
>"You failed to save Luther Glass"
>What the fuck
>Who's this again
>Remember this fag's transcribe who led me to a room with infinites Military Operators
>Thought it was just a trap by Dale so I left after killing a few Operators
>Goes back
>He's just laying here on the table
>Failed Objective

What was I supposed to do? Am I just retarded?

>>376914025

You saved 5 peoples lives, but willingly killed another one.

His death screams will haunt you until the end of your days, because you know it was you who chose his fate.

>>376914152
Not thinking deep about it at all.
>>376914154
I'm actually really curious to know why I should see one.

>>376913734
yes, I do
if you read the post I quote again they are saying that psychologists use the answer to help determine if someone is crazy, which in my opinion is taking shit way too far
pretty sure I was clear in my first post but there you go

>>376913232
So at the very minimum 4 people have to die.
Guess I'll trust everyone else to keep the death count low.

>>376913943
Well that guy was definitely wrong, but so are you. APD is the formal construct most people associate with psychopathy insofar as you could never make psychopathy into a recognized psychiatric disorder on the grounds that you would have to be able to read minds to diagnose it. But many people who meet criteria for APD would not meet criteria for psychopathy as defined by the Hare checklist.

>>376912959
>Don't pull the lever
>1 person dies
>Pull the lever
>On average, 1.25 people die

Sorry, one guy, statistics has spoken.

>>376913912
It's risky to pull a lever and change tracks you're not standing on?

>>376913232
>>376913164
>>376913136
>>376913108
>>376913106
>>376913096
these are making me fucking cry laughing, what meme is this?

>>376911580
it was their destiny to die

And the luck of the lone guy on the right track to live

Who am i to oppose to destiny ?

I dont switch the tracks as they are at fault for being at the wrong spot at the wrong time

I'd try to save all of them, yeah sure it might be possible but I'm going to anyway

>>376912605
Great power comes with great responsibility. Don't be a pussy

>>376914164
There's a reason 18 years old is a requirement time you underage v& nigger. You're in your edgelord phase. Why do you think there's such a title in the first place anyways?

>>376913912

I'm pretty confident I wouldn't go to jail, and neither would you. Only a sociopathic retard would stop and consider legal consequences in a situation like this. I would have done the right thing. In the end, what's your life to 4 others?

>>376911580
Determinations of psychopaths and sociopaths are self-fulfilling.

The act of claiming you are not one becomes a psychopathic trait when a doctor believes you are a psychopath.

>>376913210
Wow, what I wrote is perfectly understandable and the sentence structure is correct, it's your bad if you don't find it 'appealing', I'm not here to write an award winning novel.
fak u.

>>376913189
>deleting Africa and the middle east
yes please

>>376914323
Isn't it better if you formulate it the other way around, that you can switch it to the empty track but in order to do so you have to manipulate a phallic object?

>>376913049
And? It's a moral question. Not a legal one.

Reminder that psychology is a Jewish pseudoscience.

>>376914437
Depends on how the teleporter works.

>>376914347
It is stated on literally very one of those images, you fucknugget.

>>376913954
The one on the left in the second row is actually a really good one.

This has nothing to do with nihilism though.

>>376914164
You won't be locked up for merely having ASPD, anon.

>>376914335
Sure the DSM is faulty but that is the current highest standard we have for overall diagnosis. Unfortunately, there is no 'more-right' proof.

>>376913065
But what if you are a woman or tinly manlet? how can you push a 1 ton heavy man who can stop the trolley?

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>>376912695
>someone really important like Gabe

>>376914367

Nah, lives are more than just net plusses and minuses.

My responsibility is to myself. I'm not going to commit a murder to save people who might be pedophiles or something.

Batman and Superman would let those 5 people die instead of taking a life to save them

>>376912226
That's not how it works in the US, and no one cares about anywhere else.

>>376914262

Sure they will, whatever floats your twisted narrative.

>>376911580
>no third option to time the switch, get it stuck and derail the train

>no option on new vegas blotch tests for "two bears dressed as ninjas high fiving"
psychology doesn't know shit.

>>376914552
Batman is also fucking nuts, and Superman is an alien mind to begin with

I would report the thread for not being videogame discussion

>>376914351
>get kidnapped
>tied down onto train tracks like in a shitty clint eastwood movie
>6 people in total
>one person on another track next to you
>some stupid looking virgin next to a lever
>3 other people tied next to me
>the kidnapper is driving a train to kill them
>scream PULL THE LEVER
>virgin looks confused and suddenly shakes it off
>lol wrong place wrong time
>walks away
>die

>>376913164
Case A would kill three people to save one, though.

>>376914116
It's a completely separate thing they just slapped the IP on. It's a System Shock ripoff. It's alright, wait for it to go on sale.

>>376911940

Not taking action is a choice. Flipping the switch is the only choice that you can really live with if you're in any way sympathetic. Not flipping the switch means you allowed five people to die simply because you were worried about getting your hands dirty. Your inaction still stains them and if you have to perform mental gymnastics by blaming the situation then you have fucking problems.

Removing the "tied to the tracks" part, imagine five people are on one side and one is on the other and neither group is aware of an impending danger (train or no train) that you have awareness of. There is no agent causing the danger, but you have the ability to prevent the five from dying or the one.

If you don't have a person or agent to blame the situation on, do you still absolve yourself of guilt if you take no action?

The fact that someone else took action to put the people in danger shouldn't change your feeling of responsibility for those lives. The fact that you're so willing and able to scapegoat a decision that rests solely on you speaks volumes about your character.

>>376913912

What risk are you undertaking by flipping a switch?

Who am I to choose who lives and dies? Why are the lives of these 5 people somehow of more importance of the 1?

>>376911580
I've already watched a video on this. A psychopath would have no problem using the switch.

>>376914609
I wouldn't pull the lever. Can't risk getting killed by that blue shirted faggot.

>>376914437
Are you the same you that you were 10 years ago? because there isn't a single same cell in your body that you had back then.

>>376914701
Neck yourself, newfag.

>>376914402
I am above 18 and exhibit all of those behaviour except I have never broken the law so the one about performing acts that is grounds for arrest doesn't apply to me. Really though should I see a doctor, I don't have many friends and get really depressed sometimes.

>>376914527
>You won't be locked up for merely having ASPD, anon.
What do they do though? Is there forced medicine? I don't anything messing around with my brain chemistry. I really want to go to a therapist at the least but I'm afraid they'll force me to take brain messing medicine or lock me up when I reveal the full extent of what goes on in my head.

>>376914709
You sound mad, normie.

>>376914786
You can see a psychologist for diagnosis. A psychiatrist is who prescribes medication.

Push the fat man into the tracks obviously
Fat people don't deserve to live

>>376914257
He was already dead. There is nothing you could have done.

Threads like this truly show the rampant autism plaguing /v/

>>376914531
Don't pull.

>>376914847
I'm actually having a really good day, which is strange for me.

>>376914407
a single life is as worth as 4 life.

just telling you that you would be responsible for the deaths if you switched the tracks, why can you determine that the four lifes are more valuable as that single life? by switching the track. you are effectively killing 1 person, not saving 4, if you do nothing, you wouldn't be killing anyone because you didn't create the situation in the first place

life can't be measured as apples, it's the same why you can't just shot down suicide planes in certain countries, because the life's of the passengers are as valuable as the people in the city

I consider the legal consequences because the legal consequence is created derived from the reasoning that all lives are equal

by switching the track, you are effectively claiming that the life of the 1 person is less worthy than the life of 4 persons, that thinking is dangerous

>>376911906
>Sociopathy and psychopathy are simply a lack of feeling fear
wrong

>>376913658
>Trump
>Not a corrupt politician

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that question is so theoretical compared to what would happen in reality. I mean how many people are familiar with rail track controls (physical or from a control panel) or even able to tell which way train will go by just giving the rail a glance? I imagine the real problem in the real world would become not moral choices but "what the fuck am I looking at"

>untie the the guy all by himself
>make him tie me to the track
>tell him to pull the lever so that my suffering will end

>>376913431
>I'm a faggot who knows literally nothing about psychology

It's not the answer the psychologist is looking for, it's how the patient reacts to the question being asked.

Anyone who just gives an answer, regardless of which of the answers, without asking for more details about the six individuals tied to the track is a sociopath.

>>376911580
Wait for the train to pass halfway over the switching point, then hit the lever, causing it to start multi-track drifting, taking out all six people, plus the everyone aboard.

This way none of them will have their lives fall apart because of survivors guilt and PTSD.

>>376914867
so why haven't you killed your whole family yet? fucking psychopathic retard

>>376914881
utilize the time between the lever pull and it coming back around to work on a way to disable either the train or fuck up the tracks

before that use time to find out if people on tracks are worth saving or not, though

>>376913203
Actually it's pretty good

>>376914757

I suppose the question becomes, what is "No problem?" Simplifying it as "Using the switch makes you a psycho," is retarded. If you acknowledge the burden of the choice but make it knowing that the guilt of allowing five people to die would be much worse, that still shows empathy.

I can't imagine a situation where an emotionally stable person could let five lives end at the cost of one and not feel responsible just because they didn't flip the switch.

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You should take the action that is most beneficial to you. If you get no benefit from saving any group of people then you should take no action, as it would be needlessly expended effort. Morality is a spook.

>>376911580
A lot of people seem to be mixing up a few things in these types of questions.

(1) You are NOT responsible for the current predicament existing. (Any action you take now, doesnt change the past.)

(2) You ARE responsible for the OUTCOME of this predicament, as you are in a position that your action, even if standing still is what you choose to do, can create different outcomes.

This is a test to see which you would prefer, not which is the correct answer.

You need to pick based on which makes you feel more comfortable, for some, doing nothing, makes them feel more comfortable, as they see it as itrs not their fault the predicament exists, and mix up #1 and #2, as the outcome isnt something within their responsibility.
Some people choose to save the largest number of people, because they like feeling good in saving people, so it only makes sense to save more people, as more equates better.
(Even if they are also hurting a person in the process, which is what they dont want to do, so in the end, they are turning the peoples lives into numbers, and not actually listening to emotion, and comfort ability anymore.

Essentially all answers are illogical, based on the limited context of the question.

The question is philosophical in nature, not psychological, and shoudl only be answered with another question.

I understand why psychologist ask the question, because its real purpose is to observe how you try to rationalize this irrational question.

The actual answer doesnt matter. (And it's a waste of time trying to argue which is the correct answer.)

>>376915068
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUsGDVOCLVQ

Am I the only one who just spammed the fat man choice?

>>376914345
no, I was thinking that you could try to untie the persons in the tracks

if that's impossible (in this hypotetical case) then you can't really stop the deaths, so DOING nothing would be the best option, you are not god, you can't just judge that 1 person dying is better than 4,because switching tracks wouldn't justify killing 1 people to save four, that's not how it works

>>376915083
Attachment to other people however is not a spook. Read your own damn book, Max.

>>376914752
>questions not to ask yourself in such a given situation

You kids need to get real

>>376915023
I'm pretty sure you made that up. It's a well-known conundrum anyway and the identities of the people on the tracks aren't given so someone familiar with it might just have an answer ready and voilà, now he's a sociopath.

>1 person is less worthy than the life of 4 persons

That's exactly true though. People are give value to things, and that includes people giving value to you. The people are only as important as you want to make them, so fuck it, just kill the 4 people.

>>376914786
Last I checked, personality disorders can't actually be treated with medicine. You'd probably just see a psychologist every now and then. In the case of ASPD, they'd probably try to condition you to work for the good of others by teaching you to plan out situations in which doing so benefits you more than if you didn't.

If you ever did commit a crime, though, a diagnosis of ASPD could be used as justification to give you a harsher sentence, on the grounds that you have less of a chance to rehabilitate and that priority should go to ensuring others' safety.

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>>376911580
>>376912678

>>376911580
I did nothing all three times

>>376915228
Found the sociopath.

>>376915023
I'm making this decision under the assumption that all facts have been presented and there's nothing else that can be done besides the binary choice of should I switch the tracks: yes or no

>>376915178
>no, I was thinking that you could try to untie the persons in the tracks
What does this have to do with anything anon you don't just add stuff into the hypothetical situation.

>>376911580
MULTITRACK DRIFTING

>>376914752

You are a person in a position to take action. That's who you are. That makes you the most important person in the world to those six people and trying to shrug it off as "I'm just a guy" isn't sufficient.

You're making a choice to allow five people to die no matter how you look at it. If your choices are to allow five to die or allow one to die, there's only one right answer.

>>376914780
How about you post some videogames toddler?

>>376912847
If the train ends up on A, with that track it will derail, hopefully killing everyone.

>>376915068
The choice is "do nothing" or "kill one person". Only a psychopath would choose to be responsible for the death of a person. If inaction is a choice then you're responsible for all the people who died from startvation today because you didn't send them any food.

>>376915041
Fatty detected
Why should I keep paying taxes for people that can't keep themselves from eating chicken wings? Do this society a favor and kill yourself

>>376915271
i lost

>>376915329
Who am I to measure someone's life like that, especially since the value is so arbitrary. It's a game designed to make you lose and feel bad, so fuck the game, close your eyes, and flip the switch.

>>376912180
This anon is black, I guarantee it.

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ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS FOLLOW THE DAMN TROLLEY, CJ!

>>376911940
So we should kill some random nobody if it means harvesting his organs saves 5 people.
Think about your actions, retard.

>>376914045
I get heavy Total Recall vibes from this

>>376915052
>Directly murdering someone who's just fine is the same as indirectly killing someone who's already in a compromising situation in the act of saving a greater number of people

>>376915483
worst mission in the entirety of grand theft auto.

the RC mission in vice city was better.

>>376914965

Anon I'm not even sure how to approach the logical fallacies scattered throughout your post.

>All lives are equal
>1 = 1
>4, also, = 1

And the plane analogy doesn't work cause there's no guarantee where the hijacker will crash if he even manages to.

Anon, pull the lever. It's the right thing to do.

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Memes aside, an actual solution to the trolley problem has already been found :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N_RZJUAQY4

>>376911580 (OP)
Multi-track drifting is the only acceptable answer. Fuck those people for interrupting my day with their life or death bullshit.

>>376913065
Wait for the train to pass, then push the fat man so he'll get run over by the next train.

>>376915395
But you are responsible for choosing to not help someone. (as are we all. We try to pretend we're not, and hide behind some computer screen, and say, they shoulda toughened up and dealt with it themselves.)

it also doesnt matter if u do or dont, unless you want it to matter.

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>>376915395
>saving 5 people at the cost of one is psychopathy
I wonder (((who))) could be behind this post.

>>376915558
Saw it coming.

>>376915540
If you didn't flip it, the one person wouldn't die, so you're directly murdering him but apparently some people say it's fine because you kill one but save 5.

The murdering IS direct though because if you don't make a choice the 1 dude doesn't die.

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>>376911906
I would push the fat person in a heartbeat because people fat enough to stop a train aren't human.

>>376915178

Yes, that's how it works retard. No one says you're playing god. Playing hero, sure. But not god. Don't be so pseudophilosophical about it and do the right thing. Grow up.

>>376915396
>bbut my taxes
LOL. shut the fuck up. you're not even 20 years old and you are a fucking retard who parrots what other retards say. overweight people pay more than you do. your taxes go to everything. do me a favor and hang yourself from a bridge you idiotic fuck

>>376915468
>The game is made to make you lose.
Correct.

So they observe your reaction, and your reaction in life is "Fuck it, close your eyes, and find out what happens."

>>376915468
It'll probably feel worse for the people getting run over but alright

>>376915609
If you disagree, why don't you sign up to be an organ donor and then kill yourself.

>>376915540
>Don't act
>5 die
>Choose to kill one
>Save 5
Sounds fine to me.

>>376915395
If someone allows one to come to harm, while having the means to prevent it, they are morally responsible for that harm. Inaction can have just as many repercussions as action.

>>376914552
superman would fly in front of the trolley and stop it from killing anyone

batman would throw a sick flashy Batarang at the ropes and free everyone

>>376915395

False equivalence, anon. The people dying of starvation in countries I've never heard of are not within my sphere of influence. In the scenario presented, I am capable of directly impacting the outcome of the situation. That makes me responsible for how that outcome plays out and in that situation, I AM responsible if my inaction results in a death.

Going further, if I remove the choice and simply state "I can pull a switch and prevent a person from dying," if I choose not to put the switch would you not consider me responsible for their death?

Again, if not then there's an extraordinary disconnect in your sense of social responsibility.

>>376912896
The carnage boner frees the penis

>>376914965
>a single life is as worth as 4 life
No, it's not.
Imagine that one of those people is going to cure cancer, it's more likely to be one of the 4 people

>>376911580
push the fat man

>>376911906
In the future please leave psychology to the actual psychologists

>there are people who think you can deduce an ought from an is.

>>376914552
Batman and Superman would save both you fucking autist

>>376914454
But that is clearly the half with burgerland on it.

I would pull the lever in an instant. 100 years is too long to wait, and if I don't get to see the human race perish, I'll at least get to see half of it die.

>>376912896
Pull the switch but move your head in the way of the trolley

>>376915664
Are random people in the street in the same compromising situation as a terminally ill patient in need of a transplant? How could you miss the point this bad?

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Riddle me this, brainlets.

>the five people are rapists and communists
>one is a brilliant scientist that'll make your video game waifu come to life and love you

What now retards

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>>376915838
if we would go by your reasoning, then 90% of the planet could be simply killed, and that includes you and me

the real choice here is to throw a penny on the track and let the train derail.

>>376914552
So you're telling me you're a pussy

>>376915942
Some people think nobody should be murdered at all whatsoever.

>>376915254
>If you ever did commit a crime
Never happened and likely won't. I always stick to the law to stay out of trouble, I don't even have DUI.

>You'd probably just see a psychologist every now and then.
Would the government fund this or do I have to pay myself? It is a sickness after all.

>>376915178
And why is doing nothing the best option?

If anything in life is meaninglessness, they why is doing nothing the correct answer to anything?

(Im not saying its wrong, but i am saying its neither right nor wrong.)

>>376915784
Top track.

>>376915786
>The people dying of starvation in countries I've never heard of are not within my sphere of influence.
Come on, atleast admit that you do not care enough to bother, you can very much do something to help. Atleast do it like me and admit you are an asshole, there is no point in having the moral highground on the internet.

>>376915329
I'm pretty sure a sociopath thinks he is apt to make judgement on who's life is worth more

I mean what if those 5 were sociopaths

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>>376915734
so im a psychopath for my choice yet you are the one who wants to see people die. ok.

you're kinda right though, I probably would enjoy killing you self rightious assholes. if killing wasn't fun FPS wouldn't be a thing.

>>376915997
>Some people
You mean most people? What the fuck are you?

>>376915901
You are actively killing a person to save 5 others, that's the point. Parts of an analogy aren't meant to be the same, it's an analogy because the building parts are DIFFERENT.

2/4 = 1/2 but that doesn't mean 1=2 or 2=4.

Fucking uneducated pleb