So after I beat Persona 5, I had a hankering for some REAL SMT

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Bump with my team after stuffing and mounting Horkos on the walls of the Red Sprite.

>>376865831
>Any hot demons I should look out for or fuse?
I think that there's a giant naked zebra lady, but idk if she's in this game

Thinking of playing some SMT too. Is there a guide to SMT games? Which one should I play?

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>>376866254
I'm probably like 20 hours way from Zebratits, if I had to guess.

Maybe less.

Can you make Doppelganger thu fusion? He can reflect gun/phys and it's dope

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Different anon here, I've picked up Soul Hackers recently and I keep getting my ass kicked in the Akane Mall Warehouse and wanted to know what demons are good healers in the level 35-45 range.

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>>376866372
There is, though I don't have the guide for it on hand. The stories are self-contained for the most part; most people recommend starting with IV or IV:A on the 3ds.

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>>376865930
>neutral
Good job getting Doppelganger at least, he's good the entire game

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>>376865930
You should be pretty close to getting mitamas. 6 Points of STR do make a difference.
Horkos+Deathbound+mitamas is pretty alright.
I think Pisaca gives a source for Grand Tack, 2nd best gun skill in the game.
Trust this guy, he's your friend.

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>>376866372
Digital Devil Saga if you want a traditional JRPG. Nocturne or SJ if you want what makes SMT unique. A lot of people woudl recommend Nocturne over SJ for your first game because SJ is considered more difficult, but I think SJ is more grounded and a better place to start, the only really tough part is the teleporter mazes, which are more annoying than they are difficult.

You could also go for SMT IV like this anon said >>376866523 bu it has a slow, very tough and sometime just poorly designed beginning, so it can be offputting.

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>>376866393
Yep! You totally can. I made on just before fighting Horkos.

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>>376866372
Enjoy

>>376866372
SMT3 Nocturne is a good choice. One of the best entrance points to mainline SMT. Then you can try SMT1 and SMT2 or even try the remakes of the original Megami Tensei games on SNES.

Devil Summoner is pretty good. Devil Survivor if you want a grid RTS style game. Digital Devil Saga is the most straight-faced JRPG of the spinoffs.

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>>376866656
>Momunofu
Dude is always a laugh

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>>376866574
I haven't really been given any obvious choices on Law/Chaos yet- my neutrality is entirely based on chain attacks for damage.

Horkus was weak to lighting, which is why I had Raiju, it's kinda mediocre otherwise.

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>>376866596
I am skeptical of the masked man

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>>376866931
>go pickup the stuffed Mothman
it's the real thing

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>>376867020
Trust him, son of man, he would not steer you wrong.

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>>376867041
HALT, SON OF MOTHMAN

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>>376865831
What a coincidence you bring this game up on Mother's Day

>>376865831
Mastema is your friend.

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>>376867530
I am skeptical of her forehead

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>>376867020
Tell me about him. Why does he wear the mask?

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>>376867820
Perhaps he is wondering why you would shoot a man, before throwing him into the Schwarzwelt?

>>376865831
Be wary of your alignment. It's weirdly easy to change.

That's it. If you're that far in you know what to do. I went into this game with no advice, you can too.

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>decide to play all mainline games
>start SMT2 since I played 1 some time ago
>it's a fucking chore but finish it eventually
>start Nocturne
>get fucking destroyed

I have like 11 hours in, I feel like I should play on normal instead of getting getting my ass handed to me left and right but I don't really wanna play all the way up again.

>>376865831

If you weren't aware of it already, I believe SJ goes by Pokemon rules and experience is split between you and all the demons you have out. If you wanted to grind the MC (and you will need to grind a fuckton for certain bosses), switch out all your demon bros whenever you end a fight

>>376868549
Hard modes in SMT games are generally not worth it unless you are feeling particularly masochistic.

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>>376868578
I never knew that...

Could have saved me sometime getting ready for Mem Aleph

>>376868549
SMT3 on hard is really fucking hard. It's not worth it.

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>>376868578
That's actually really helpful; thanks anon. I was wondering why exp seemed to drop off a cliff once I outleveled an enemy by a handful of levels- I figured it was an antigrind mechanic.

>>376868767
>>376868609
I was doing fine until I got to Matador. I just beat Dante and I can't get through a dungeon without savestating or wasting everything I have. Not sure if I have the energy to keep going or start over.

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>>376865831
The only thing you ever need to know about mainline SMT games is that true power comes from friendship and the bonds and experiences you share with those in your life.

>>376865831
>Want to play SJ
>DSJ comes out Soon™ so im holding back
HMMM

>>376868983
Matador has always been the wake up call boss for SMT3.

>>376865831
just fuse doppleganger and breeze through bosses with reflected damage

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>>376869000
This was exactly *why* I decided to play it.

Folks have been freaking out that the non-yukiko is going to ruin the game, or make it persona, or something.

Figured I'd get the vanilla experience before playing DSJ in a year or so.

>>376865831
Remember doppelganger's reflect becomes more powerful the weaker he is

>>376868792

No, you have it right, that's also a thing. Being overlevelled means you get less EXP, but having less guys out means it won't be distributed as much

Shits kinda unfair since all the bitchin demons you want always seem to be 5-10 levels away

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>>376868983

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>>376869506
I suppose if it becomes a problem I can summon another one at base level.

He's way too useful with all his buff skills and reflects to NOT use him, though.

>>376868549
I played all the game on hard mode but I got stuck at the end against the true final boss. you can avoid this by going for a STR build tho

>>376870023
Is it actually viable to put all of your level up stats into STR in Nocturne?

>>376870125
Provided you don't die from getting hit and missing, it's viable.

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>>376867530
Mem Aleph would be hot if she had better hair

>>376870125
yeah. the game just hates magic. there's no mind charge and all the physical skills do waaay more dmg. Also if you go for the TDE you get a skill that only makes them stronger.

>>376870125
On Normal? Yeah, no problem. On Hard you will definitely want some EN to actually survive shit. Some AG for accuracy is nice too. But if you're dead set on WORLD OF STR, go for it. Just remember that Masakados gives +10 to all stats if you're going for all magatamas.

>>376870125
Hell I started as a magic fag and ended up using phys skills because they are far much better.

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>>376870125

Mostly, but not all

Why would you play strange journey when there's a remake on the way

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>>376870647
See
>>376869857

Also I can emulate on my phone and it beats the shit out of any mobile game.

>>376870647


BECAUSE IM LE OLDSCHOOL SMTFAG AND NEW SMT IS FOR NOOBS!!!!!

>>376865831
get ebin jojo reference and blow up everything

>>376871046
Relent.
We don't act like this in SMT threads.

>>376871016
How do you deal with phone emulators? I really can't stand having a button overlay (and by extension my fingers) covering a fairly large part of the screen.

>>376865831
Doomguy can literally solo the extra secret boss
Strongest SMT protag ever

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>>376872442
>Strongest SMT protag ever
Patently wrong.

>>376865831
SMT games have never been hard unless you consider difficulty RNG bullshit.

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>>376872290
It was less awful with certain older games since you can force all the buttons to the bottom.

You also rarely use the bottom screen in SJ so it isn't too awful.

It was worse when I played something like Ghost Trick the used the bottom screen more readily.

Overall though, you just shrink the buttons and learn to deal. Getting a bigger phone helps too.

I've been able to make sizable dents in my DS backlog that I wouldn't have otherwise playing on my phone.

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>>376872691
I've died a handful of times, mainly from running into a blind pack that shitwrecks me, or going blind into a boss.

The game has been fair so far though, I never feel like its tedious.

>>376872442
>>376872525

Here come the powerlevels. We can all CHIM YHWH out of existence, anon.

>>376872953
I can't really think of a handheld/console other than the NES to have few enough buttons to make that worthwhile. Maybe I'll grab a SNES one and try to play SMTI and II. Worst case scenario, it's bad and I stop.

Are there other SMT games with a similar feel/setting to Devil Survivor? I like the concept of weird demon shit going down in everyday society

SJ has you fucking off to Antarctica, Nocturne tales place after civilization gets trashed, haven't tried anything else yet

>>376873136
DemiKids maybe. Soul Hackers is in a sci-fi society, but they're definitely in society.

>>376873136
Actually, the early Persona games are exactly that.

>>376873290
Persona 2's gameplay is some of the worst out there though.

>>376873136
Devil Summoner?

>>376873136
SMT1, if you like old games to the point of being unplayable.

>tfw devil summoner 1 and if... will never be translated

>>376873136
SMT 1

>>376873353
It's an improvement over persona 1 though

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>>376873374
this, even if it's not modern day, it is still happening in a non-demon society

>>376873136
SMT1 and Soul Hackers.

>>376873596
no it isnt

>>376873596
>Tfw Persona 1 is my favourite battle system

What happened, anon? Too many damage types for you?

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>>376873104
Here's what the PSP one I have looks like on my phone, for reference.

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>>376873812
Does P1 have Tera skills?

>>376873812
It's not like any of them matter

Play SMT 3. It has one of the best fucking atmosphere in an RPG. I love that apocalyptic shit. Graphics are old but it augments the desolation and darkness.

>>376873812
Persona 1 has the pointless grid and for most fights you just gun down everything.

>>376873876
I still don't like how much the control stick and dpad cover, but I may as well give it a go. Is Retroarch still the way to go for phone emulation?

>SMT thread
>devolves into Persona discussion

gee

>>376873812

P1 rules, fuck everyone that memes on it as being bad.

>>376874253
>Shin Megami Tensei: Persona
Eat a dick anyways, there was little persona discussion anyways

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>Finish SJ
>Start Nocturne on Hard because I feel like I'm ready for anything
>The very first enemies I encounter in the game kill me in a single turn

Hahaha, hard game very fun hahaha


>Painfully make my way to Matador
>Shit Party
>No healing items, no SP, no Makka
>Grinding is impossible because the enemies are too strong

And then I started emulating p4.

>>376874158
If you're emulating psp, just use the mainline ppsspp app. The retroarch core is horridly outdated.

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>>376874158
Retroarch covers most shit up to ps1/gba.

It's basically just a bundle of emulators you can get separately though.

DraStic and ppsspp are what I use for the DS and PSP, respectively.

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60 000 Macca well spent.

Where the hell is the Gigantic!?

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>>376874518
>Grinding
>In an SMT

>Picking Hard
>In an SMT

>Going to P4
>Of every single MegaTen game

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>>376874253
>Kaneko and Cozy have given up on SMT AGES AGO
>SMTfags still refuse to die
FACE IT
IT'S OVER SMTARDS

>>376874518
>rush into hard in a game you've never played before
>getting upset late in the game at matador to realize that hard is actually fucking hard
Literally get the level 18 demon from fusion that's null to force and has media and it's easy. Matador loses two turns everytime he uses a force ability, even if he catches a force vulnerable party member

>>376874767
>>376874837
>7
now kiss

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>>376874837
FUCKING PERSONACHADS
IT'S NOT FAIR
EYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

>>376875069
I never understood why persona fans are chads by default. I have seen nothing involving persona with chads

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Is there a decent way to emulate phone games on PC so I can play SMT1 again? I already played the SNES version with the fan translation and kind of just want to see what's different in my experience since it's been awhile. Every time I try to get some sort of phone emulator on PC its full of ads and downloading random bullshit.

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>>376865831
YOU'LL LOVE SECTOR ERIDANUS

YOU'LL FUCKING LOVE IT

I HOPE YOU LIKE PUZZLES TOO

LIKE STEPING ON SOME FUCKING RANDOM TILE ON SOME TIME OF THE DAY

FUCK man I don't know, this game didn't leave me happier than I was before playing it, I don't know, its a strange feeling.

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>>376875310
Persona protags
>Larger dicks
>Fun to be around
>Interesting conversation anytime you want
>Nicely dressed and groomed
>Crack jokes all the time
>Will take you places
>Broad social spectrum
>Know interesting people you will be introduced to
>Behave like real men
>Smile on their faces most of the time
>Can dance and cook
>Chills in the school

Mainline """protags"""
>Tiny dicks
>Socially awkward
>Quiet
>Inhibited socially
>Boring
>Prefer to stay home
>Hate to dance
>Sad faces
>Make you cringe
>Creepy
>Often have either anger or anxiety issues
>Shoots up the school

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>>376874518
Do it for him, anon

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>>376866574
>tfw using that PHYS repel on doppel on endgame bosses
>I think it was the nigger
>he hit fucking hard
>the demon is like lvl 20
>the boss is like 50 lvls stronger
>demon just reflected like infinite damage

I laughed so hard hahahaha.

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>>376875634
Eridanus was great, but people here are always complaining about it.
And so were Grus and Horologium.

I am not joking, I had a lot of fun.

>>376875635
That's actually pretty fucking accurate for SMT MCs.

>>376875635
I wouldn't use most of those you listed for nocturne or strange journey

>>376875635
P3 protag is nothing like this, retard.

>>376875804
Well the original Digital Devil Story protag was a programmer that wanted to take revenge on people that beat him up with a PC program that could summon demons somehow, which obviously didn't go well.

>>376875842
Yeah he's worse he's lucifer's fucboi.

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playing nocturne, this is the hardest fucker so far. is he the actual casual filter instead of matador?

>>376876104
Well his entire job is specifically to kill your kind. Like Matador he's an extra boss that was added in Maniax.

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RIP the good times

>>376876104
he's not hard senpai.

>>376876104
Dante was actually the easiest boss for me. It kind of made the cameo boring for me unfortunately

>>376876104
Get Daisoujou, I used him until the end of the game.

Also my bro Tengu Kurama with WIND ASS ANNIHILATION, used him until the end too.

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>>376875634
>>376875761
CRAWLING IN MY SKIN

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>>376876104
Recruit one of these guys.
>>376876523
If he can't beat Dante what makes you think he can beat Daisoujou and he's not even close to a high enough level to fuse him anyways.
Daisoujou is also anti-fun because of how broke he is.

Hard mode in SMT games don't do anything but make demons and items cost like 3 times as much, while giving your enemies more stats and higher Crit rates.

There is literally no reason to play hard mode.i started nocturne on hard mode and got as far as Daisidojou. You really, really, really have to fucking abuse magatamas resistances and shit to beat bosses, it was not fun. And yes, you have to fucking grind on hard mode because macca is needed for the retardedly high magatama prices.

I have to say though... after restarting on normal mode, the game feels way too easy.

>>376876786
At the very least, War in IV:A is pretty fair, even if the prices are bullshit on the compendium. I hope Apocalypse won't be too bad.

>>376876786
I wish they would just add more health to enemies and make them do more damage. Thats it. Grinding for Macca isnt hard just tedious as all hell.

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>>376875730
Good to know. Might have to face him soon. I only picked the law options ironically, like taunting Mitra with the name of yellowguy

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Literally same situation as you, OP. Haven't beaten Sector C yet, just walked into B1F and Jiminez told me shit's all dark. I downloaded all the 3DS SMT titles as well, eventually I'll get to the console releases.

How's my party looking, guys? I just swapped out Karasu Tengu and Principality, Hathor was great until I lost Media on her. Not sure who to get for healing now.

>>376873879
It did. As well as nuclear and GRAVITY damage

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>>376877780
OP here.

High Pixie was my MVP for the Sector, I'm sad she's gonna need to get benched soon. Lots of physically strong demons in sector C, so get ready.

One of the first things I fused was a Dwarf (Jirae) with no weakness (I used a demon source, but I don't remember which) so that he had the defense buff as well as True Lobotomy and Charge.

Good Shit.

Recruit and save often in case you get jumped by a pack of niggas

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Kinda burnt out on P5 now that I'm almost done with playthrough 2.
Pretty stoked to have these HD demon models for future SMT games though.

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>>376877780
>Carina sector
>still using Oni and Weak-to-Phys Megami
He isn't kidding, Nozuchis will tear you a new one.

>>376878868
Oni isn't summoned, and I can't really fuse him with anything. I'm trying to replace Hathor right now, she was my main healer up until now.

The thing I love about the SMT games if their take on religion, especially the Abrahamic ones. You couldn't make a game like that in the West because it's too ingrained in our way of life, and seeing a detached view of it is fascinating to me. That's not to mention the unfettered and unfiltered portrayal of very taboo subject matter. It's got this primal aspect about it that's really intriguing.

Anyway aside from that one Indian who got a bit butthurt about Krishna I'd be interested in hearing different takes on it from Christians, Jews and Muslims, especially in a professional capacity. Amazed Muslims haven't said anything about it considering they usually jump on any portrayal of them.

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>>376879116
High Pixie is Pixie + Lilim + Harpy. She'll have media among other skills, and her source can give mediarama.

Highly recommended, I stuck Mazio and Magaru on her for Sec C.

>>376879496
Islam shares a lot Abrahamic stuff with the others- its only depictions of Muhammed they get anal about, and he isnt in the games anywhere.

Just finished first IV playthrough. Somehow got neutral ending. I really miss SJ's maze dungeons. IV's look really nice but there wasn't much puzzle solving outside of the law/chaos ones. Naraku is shit.

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>>376880230
I played IV for maybe 10ish hours and honestly was bored. I'm having a lot more fun with SJ.

This made me laugh out loud, for instance.

>>376880375
It'll get more amusing, don't you worry.

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Does anyone have that infographic that has little descriptions of SMT games to play first? I remember it said which settings to change in a DS emulator to get Strange Journey's text readable and I forgot what it was.

>Pick up Strange Journey+OST since I found it for dirt cheap
>Drop it around section C for reasons
Should I even bother going back to it now that Deep Journey is on the way?
I kinda have the urge to go back and fight Horkus just to settle things but its been too long

>>376880474
Shit nigger, did you read the thread?

>>376880507
Well the story in DEEP might be different, just go for it man. Heck if it's been so long start fresh, clean slate for quicker demoning.

>>376880375
Failure of a human being!

>>376880507
You picked the strangest place to drop it.
I'd say carry on if it was one of those crazy maps which made you quit, but this situation is unique.
If the game isn't for you, play something else.

>>376880564
I didn't think someone would be nice enough to have already posted it.

On another note: Why is it that Persona threads are always full of shitposting and absolutely ZERO discussion of gameplay, but I've never seen a regular SMT games thread go off the rails? In these threads people are always kind and like to talk about games they like.

>>376880881
Cause Persona threads always have that kind of weeb/waifu shitposting you always get, mainly cause it's a game about high schoolers and dating and such and it's a really "anime" feeling series. To think Persona exists all because SMT if... was enough of a hit.

As such, other branches of SMT and the mainline are much more dreary and deal with more apocalyptic and religious themes.

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>>376880881
Persona is a lot more popular, ergo a lot more people participate and more people shitpost.

>>376880629
Hey! I'll go back to it eventually. After beating Medusa and wandering around Tokyo I got disinterested.

>>376880881
They are more active the game is more popular and there is plenty of shitposting in smt threads

>>376880507
I'm specifically playing it now because nobody is sure just how different DEEP will be.

Now I'll be able to appretiate (or decry) whatever changes they make.

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I've played a few SMT games, but I'm not an RPG guy at all. I finally got a copy of Strange Journey, so could people give me some nonspecific, overall tips? I don't want to know everything from the start, but just give me a push in the right direction.

>>376881107
>After beating Medusa and wandering around Tokyo I got disinterested.

I had the same experience, then my save disappeared. Haven't been able to motivate myself to do the beginning again.

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>>376881476
Trust this angel.

>>376881476
Fuse demons and get the demon sources through leveling demons up.

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>>376881476
The main character will never be your main source of damage unless he has some end-game tier equipment, so you should just treat him as a vending machine when boss fights start.

>>376876786
>>376877015
What, don't like grinding the Alma Tunnels endlessly?

Yeah I highly suggest people not to do Nocturne on hard due to how much macca you have to spend to do anything. You just end up grinding just so you can obtain certain items.

>>376865831
you fucked up anon, should have waited for the updated 3ds strange journey

>>376881476
You'll want to do a bit of grinding as you get to new areas to scout different enemies and so on. Take it slow- rushing will usually end in your death

>>376881968
I find a lot of his guns pretty good. Hitting guys with elemental attacks, especially with a co-op attack, can be pretty good. Though since he is the only one that can access items sometimes he will just end up dispensing much needed items for the party.

>>376881968
When you say "vending machine", do you items or buffs?

>>376873136
The original duology and SMT.

>>376882067
Items, mainly. Demons can't use them, so he's got to monitor healing and cure items, and so on. Demons will handle buffs for you.

>>376865831
Goddamn his design is so damn appealing to me

I finally did it, /v/
I beat SMT2, i finally punched god in the face

>>376882319
Beads all round

If I play these games do I need to replay them for different routes or are they just different endings I can watch on youtube?

>>376882180
Demons not being able to use items sounds obnoxious. Is there a reason for it?

>>376882407
as an avid SMT fan, these are not games that are fun to replay. that's just my opinion though.

>>376882474
not a lot of them have hands or knowledge of earthly items maybe

>>376882474
Because they are demons stored on your program.

>Jack Frost is going to be too powerful in SMT Switch because of UE4
How do we stop him?

>>376875635
P1 protag has little personality, Tatsuya's only love are motorcycles and P3 protag is introverted. Yu and P5 protag are chad as fuck though.

So, main character uses turns to give out items. I got that. Is there a specific stat I should be dumping points into, or any demons I should be on the lookout for?

>>376882817
>Tatsuya
>not gay

>>376882474
Story reasons aplenty, mechanically no.

It really isn't quite as obnoxious as it initially seems.

>>376882827
You don't get to distribute stats.

>>376882827
Gamewide? Doppleganger was mentioned, those he's a ways in (end of sector c). Honestly the pokemon vibes are half the fun, discovering and fusing demons, altering skills, etc

>>376882817
P5 MC was a straight fucking baller man.

>>376882893
You do picm a focus stat in the beginning, though.

I picked WORLD OF STR, but honestly I regret doing so.

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>>376882827
Stats distribute automatically, but you take a quiz at the start to determine what gets favored. You'll probably get luck, which isn't half bad.

>>376882827
You're really limiting your fun if you want people to tell you what stats to use too.

Ok, I'll just start the game then if there's no stat distributing. But just tell me, in one word, no spoilers:

Shake his hand or refuse?

>>376883450
Doesn't matter since there's a way to manually fiddle with your alignment later on and a bunch of obviously telegraphed alignment choices.

>>376883218
As someone who's playing a Speed Favored build, I can also vouch for this. Items and poking enemies in attempts to get Co-Ops.

>>376883450
Be polite, no reason not to be.

>>376866495
I honestly don't like giving fusion advice because it's fun to stumble through it yourself.

>fusing purple mirror and titania in desu2 when I wasn't even looking for them

>>376874428
>added to the title by Atlus USA to sell more copies

>>376883450
Dialogue choices don't have far-reaching consequences, it's easy to change alignment at many points in the story.

When is this coming out in the US?

>>376887013
We don't even know when it's coming out in gook land

>Strange Journey
>Can grind as much as you want and just return to the recovery point to heal and save, every round of grinding nets you more Macca than the healing costs.

>Persona
>Can only grind for a limited time until you run out of items/SP, at which point you must advance the calendar where you have limited time, also grinding takes up time slots that could be used to get other bonuses with Condifants.

And SMTfags say mainline is the hardcore series?

>>376888302
Well, to be fair, in the two last P5 dungeons you can do just that to grind forever.

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>>376888302
DELET THIS

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Why is he so perfect bros?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEIPXCR5G6A

>>376888302
After a few levels you gain so little exp in SJ though until you progress to a new area.

>>376889053
>implying this isn't the best theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zle-RdHmlDg
It's wasted on Genma etc.
The fights with them are so short, it doesn't even get the chase to kick in.
It's obviously a fucking boss theme that they couldn't find a slot to put it in.

>>376889053
>EXTENDED
why would anyone want this

SJ OST is fucking garbage
sure it's interesting on the first listen, nicely atmospheric and all, but it gets so fucking annoying after each loop

>>376889293
Because thats how you listen to it in the game?

>>376888302
Strange Journey's last boss is also the hardest one in the game by a wide margin, letting you grind is the kindest thing it can do for you.

>>376883096
It's a very small difference. You can get unlucky and get shit like 99 magic on a non-magic suit. Rates are
>19% for everything
>24% something for focus one
With maxed strength, which also boosts guns, you can solo the game from start to finish without any NG+ items.

>>376889313
yeah and it's quite annoying after couple of hours
worst Megaten soundtrack by far

>>376865831
Speaking of which..
I would like to pick up P5, but I've got a question.
Does P5 have frost ace?

>>376891291
nope

>>376891836
Fuck...
Oh well I'll skip the game I guess