What do you want from a Sonic Mania sequel? A sequel's

>>376860675
I hope this game turns out to be shit just so you suffer for making this thread

>A sequel's guaranteed, isn't it?
Were gonna see if the Classic Sonic fanbase really are worth caring about with Mania. If it somehow under performs while appearing to be amazing then SEGA should pay no mind to Classic Sonic fans anymore.

>>376861096
>SEGA should pay no mind to Classic Sonic fans anymore.
Even people who enjoy the 2D games tend to hate Classic Sonic's gameplay in Generations and Forces. I wish they'd stop pandering and including Classic Sonic as a crutch.

All I want in a sequel, if it's not already part of Mania:

>Chao Garden
>Sonic Spinball
>Mean Bean Machine
>Chaotix (From the 32x)

Put these in, and I'll be interested.

>>376861405
>Chaotix (From the 32x)

More characters is indeed the only thing I'd want. I really want Shadow and Blaze to be playable again and the Chaotix (at least Espio and Vector) already have a template to go off of with their abilities in Knuckles Chaotix.

>>376860675
I hope the game fucking fails and we never get another classic sonic game again. The series needs to move forwards not backwards. And fuck the people who will get offended by this. It's time modern fans took a stand

>>376862128
Modern fanbase is too fractured to make one.

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>>376860675
I want them to bring back Nack.

>>376862128
>When Mania will be Sonics swansong before it never has a good game ever again
I'll miss ya Sonic, you were a cool dude, at least we could do things one last time.

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>>376860675
>A sequel's guaranteed, isn't it?
Watch as Mania is more popular than their mainline game, so Japan gets bitter and buries it out of spite.

>>376860675
If it sells well. I might double dip for both the PS4 and Switch versions. Maybe.

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>>376862128
>Move forwards by making bad games.
I don't think some of the modern games are outright bad, but none of them are as good as CD/2/3&K. If 2D platformer is outright backwards to you I have nothing more to say to you as I find it preferable.

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>>376861405
>2D genesis era chao garden
Fuck, that could be incredible.

>>376861958
A Genesis era Shadow or Blaze would be really cool, but I know a lot of purists even on /v/ would throw a hissy-baby-fit because "not muh Sonic" modern characters.

I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out Taxman was in their camp.

>>376861096
As much as I'm hyped & hoping for the best with this game since I'm convinced it's going to be good it's probably only going to sell well if the price is low like $20 maybe $30.

>>376861958
I hope the sequel has most or all of the Sonic the Fighters playable characters playable

>>376860675
Psst.
Tails Gets Trolled is updating again

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>>376860675
>100% new stages
>the same supposed large amount of stages that Mania already offers
>new elemental shields
>one more playable character
Besides the revisited stages Mania's pretty much perfect and everything I wanted from a new Sonic game.

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>>376862128
The fans will continue to pick up the slack even if Mania fails

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>>376862128
The series has been moving """""forward""""" for two decades now and not a single game in that time frame even compares to 3 & Knuckles' shier quality. Returning to form is objectively the best course of action for this franchise right now.

>>376865397
>muh physics
They got it perfect with Sonic 4 part 2. Old trash should be left behind.

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>>376865670
>Sonic 4

>>376865397
Return to form and go from there, more like. Yes, 3K is the peak of the series' quality. But the games also need to grow. We can't rigidly reproduce the same game time and time again. Fortunately Mania seems like it understands that, though it looks like it could springboard off it more than it did.

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>>376865670
>They got it perfect with Sonic 4 part 2
Nice try Dimps shill. Show me footage where you can do any of this in Sonic """4""".

>>376860675
>A sequel's guaranteed
Wishful thinking.
>What do you want from a Sonic Mania sequel?
Less remix levels and more originals, bring back the insta-shield/w-kaiten attack. All it needs.

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>>376866207
>>A sequel's guaranteed
>Wishful thinking.
>implying
That's not even taking into consideration the positive reception from pretty much everyone who's aware of the game, which is at least over two million people.

>>376865841
A better-designed game would have had several deathpits to avoid in that section. You know, to make it an actual platformer.

>>376866489
>changing the subject
kek

>>376866342

>$70 in the us
>£80 in the UK

Fuck SEGA

>>376865397
>The series has been moving """""forward""""" for two decades now
It stopped moving forward after Colors, now its just nostalgia pandering.

>>376866642
>It stopped moving forward after 3 & Knuckles
Fixed.

>>376866342
Come on m8. The more successful it is the more of an embarressment it will be to Sega that a bunch of fanboys managed to beat them at their own game. It will be buried.

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>>376866642
That's fine. We can always go back to the best Sonic game.

Do you think a map screen would kill a classic Sonic game?

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>>376866770
>Adventure secondaries
Oh give me a brake.

>>376866770
fix the camera issues, smooth out the sonic/shadow controls just a touch, and remove the secondary playstyles and it's literally a perfect 3d sonic game
this is the peak of 3d sonic controls

>>376866929
What do you think this is, a Metroidvania?

>>376866746
Nah.

Sega would see it as "people want more 2D sonic!" and start having new ones made by "proper" sonic developers. Like DIMPS.

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>>376867001
>the peak of 3d sonic controls
ahem

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Amy

>>376867010
I meant something like Mario or DKC to go between levels and return to ones you want to replay. Maybe you could switch characters mid-playthrough.

>>376866342
Fuck, I forgot about this preorder bonus. Is it still going?

You know, I was fine with seeing the old levels redone and shit because I mean, those levels are fucking classic and Nintendo redoes levels constantly and no one says shit.

But I think I'm starting to actually agree with the loud mouthed faggots that cry about using the same levels now.

Seriously. I know the reasons they do it, I'm just sick of the first few levels being remakes in every sonic game now.

They actually need to try and step away from recycling the old levels now.

>>376867149
Not fast enough. Sonic 3's system is good enough and quicker to select levels.

>>376867110
Oh good, the Utopia hipsters are back.
>everything needs to be a sandbox!
Fuck off.

Sonic Adventure 9

>>376867216
Sega outright requires either Green or Emerald Hill Zone. Can't be a sonic game without one.

>>376862526
Same
After all, isn't Sonic Mania supposed to be like a "long lost Sonic game" from the Saturn era?

>>376867163
Depends on the region, check Amazon.

>>376867272
Utopia's not a sandbox game. Plus we're talking about controls here, get some reading comprehension.

>>376866592
>taking painfully obvious bait

>>376867163
Yes.

>>376867343
>Plus we're talking about controls here
Oh right, that game that never came out is truly the pinnacle of control. What a verifiable statement.

>>376867404
Hey, if you don't ever point out anything then a poor unsuspecting anon might be suckered into buying shitty games like Sonic 4 just because of some shitposts.

>>376867272
No one said sandbox. Utopia controls better than a lot of the other 3D Sonic games and the demo shows twisty levels and branching.

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>>376867448
The demo's right there, you know. Nothing's stopping you from playing it, unless you're a dumb mobileposter of course.

>>376867583
I'm going to reserve judgment til it comes out, but I'm also not going to hail it as the pinnacle of anything til then.

I'm pretty sick of people treating it like "Sonic is saved! See this fangame that will be finished in 10 more years?"

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>Tfw Classic Sonic Heroes > Mania
Is there any way to enable widescreen in Kega?

>>376867790
>Tfw Classic Sonic Heroes > Mania
You never played Mania though.

>Is there any way to enable widescreen in Kega?
I don't think so but that'd be cool.

>>376867790
>Ever having access to spindash in Sonic 1 levels

>>376867926
Stay mad, this fixes the irredeemable pile of shit that is Sonic 1

>>376868018
It doesn't though, the level design is still the same.

>>376868018
>irredeemable pile of shit that is Sonic 1
Woah there, contrarian.

>>376860675
Sonic 1, 2, 3 and Knuckles
the same games
widescreen
that's it, 16:9 rendering, no more 4:3
please and thank you

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>>376868018
>Spin dash fixes Spring Yard and Labyrinth Zone

Classic fanboy faggots need to fuck off and die. They're delusional fucking retards. Unleashed alone is better than any classic sonic game, fuck you, you stupid fucking idiots.

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>>376868173
That already exists for 1, 2 & CD thanks to Taxman and Stealth. 3 & Knuckles is never ever though.

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>>376868268
Unleashefag is back.

>>376868461
This poor coder. He must really love games as a function rather than playing games. he's got way more motivation than anybody else who has actually played the games. His dedication WOULD be mockworthy but he's actually doing it for good, instead of completely pure self interest, making other experiences better than his own.

reading the infographic completely now. he might turn out to be a fag

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>>376868661

>>376868731
sorry I'm really drunk and read the first paragraph before replying.
ignore me and my posts, you can do so through the drop down menu

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>>376860675
Adaptation of the Mega Drive arc from the comics. Legitimately solid zone, badnik and boss designs that would work perfectly for an actual game, and the arc was completely separate from the rest of the comics so no dumb comic continuity to deal with.

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>>376868881
NEVER EVER

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So how about that Flying Battery?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDFaRMmWbKo

>>376867110
>>376867689
But the controls are all fitted for a sandbox so I don't know what you niggas all talking about.
It's like wanting DMC to have Arkham Asylum controls. Yea, it's smoother but at the point of completely nullifying any intensity to it.

The classic games aren't fun why do people like them so much? is it the chibi artstyle? It can't be the gameplay. Honestly I ahd much more fun with Sa1,Sa2, Heroes, and Shadow than any of the classics. Sadly after those games everything went to shit. 06 was supposed to be Sa3, it was supposed to be the magnum opus of Sonic Games, and it just failed so hard. I think because of this Sonic Team is completely afraid to touch anything in the "sa3" area and it makes me sad.
I would even be happy for a Sonic 06 reboot that replaces the mach sections with the hedgehog engine and replacing the engine altogether with the hedgehog engine, replace the elise gameplay with normal gameplay, and overall fix the technical problems with the game. I think if they were given more time they could salvage the game.

>>376869754
>But the controls are all fitted for a sandbox
They aren't.

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>>376869918
>Adventure secondaries

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>>376867790
>Is there any way to enable widescreen in Kega?
Seriously?

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How do people not just fucking hate Sonic from the bottom of their gut

THIRTEEN games in fifteen years that have all, every single one of them, been a complete waste of fucking time and resources

What is the fucking opportunity cost of creating the mountain of burning shit that has been the last 15 years of Sonic games?

Thirteen fucking sequels to Panzer Dragoon, Skies of Arcadia, Shinobi, Shenmue, Golden Axe, Monkey Ball, Jet Set Radio, Gunvalkyrie, Virtua Fighter, Virtua Tennis, Sega GT, Phantasy Star, Samba De Amigo or Chu-Chu Rocket that weren't made because Sega has to shit out another 3D Sonic abortion

>>376869754
>But the controls are all fitted for a sandbox
What does this even mean.

>>376865197
I played this expecting a quality title and it's fucking painfully amateurish.

>>376871083
It's like it was made by amateurs or something.

>>376870986
>that weren't made because Sega has to shit out another 3D Sonic abortion
It's pretty simple anon. Sonic makes money. Those games didn't.

Nowadays Sega is in a lot better financial situation, so they can afford a few experimental titles here and there instead of just relying on Sonic or Alien just to stay afloat.

>>376870986
Dude relax jesus christ lmao, If sega would have stuck with Sonic Adventure style games, we would still have those other games too and possibly a Dreamcast 3 right now. But shit happens, the world is unfair. Sonic Team brought it upon themselves by changing the gameplay every game, and sinking deeper and deeper into debt with each release.

>>376869738
Legitimately one of my all-time favorite zones. I hope their act 2 remixes it something crazy.

>>376871248
>Constant downward sales trend
>New games selling literally 1/10 of the Genesis games because of how badly you've mismanaged your series

What a great fucking position to be in

Sega only still exists because of fucking Football Manager btw, not the 500,000 copies of the latest Sonic turd that barely broke even

>>376867272
It's a proof of concept, if it were an actual game the levels obviously wouldn't be built like that.

>>376866929
>Do you think a map screen would kill a classic Sonic game?
That's exactly what Sonic 4 had.

The only problem with it was that after you beat an Act, it asked you if you wanted to "Press Y to go to the next Act" instead of "Press Y to go back to the world map"

So just make sure that doesn't happen again and a world map will be fine.

>>376871696
>Sega only still exists because of fucking Football Manager btw, not the 500,000 copies of the latest Sonic turd that barely broke even
I didn't say Sega's current financial position is thanks to Sonic, Sonic just kept them afloat when the Dreamcast failed and they decided to go third-party, which is why they kept the series around when they later had to cut most of their published library down to three or four IPs.

Now they're not having the same issues, likely due to the company's new president

The only reason why Lost World and Boom sold so poorly was because Sega was stupid enough to do an exclusivity deal with Nintendo for Nintendo's worst-selling console to date. You can't even blame quality when even 06 sold millions.

The fact that Forces and Mania will be multiplat on all major platforms will guarantee that both will be massive successes by Sega standards.

>>376860675
NO
CLASSIC
STAGES

fucks sake Sega

>>376871520
>Dude relax jesus christ lmao, If sega would have stuck with Sonic Adventure style games, we would still have those other games too and possibly a Dreamcast 3 right now.
Yeah, that's why Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 helped create the Dreamcast 2.

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Same art style, all-new stages, not a single stage from past games, anime cutscenes, Masato Nakamura as the composer, higher resolution graphics and Garou-tier animation, no nostalgia pandering.

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>>376862526
Oh yeah, bringing some characters back would be good. Nack is really cool.

>>376872542
That's SA2's fault, with the mechs, watered down stories, and lack of hubworlds.

Sa2 was shit compared to Sa1, and the 3D games just got worse and worse and worse...

Instead of improving on what made sonic adventure good, they stripped it of everything that made it good.

>>376861096

It should do well. Reviewers want classic Sonic.

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>>376872828
Triple Trouble was great. I love that they introduced another rival character like Knuckles, only who wasn't designed to go soft and join the heroes. Dumping him was a mistake. He'd make a good treasure hunter rival to Knuckles and now Rouge.

>>376872940
Reviewers want to dump on modern Sonic more than anything. It's their favorite passtime.

>>376873042
Bullshit, the metacritic scores on all the modern Sonic games are unbelievably generous

Reviewers dump on modern Sonic because every modern Sonic game is a steaming pile of shit

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>>376873372
So... which is it? Are they generous or do they dump on it?

>>376860675
>What do you want from a Sonic Mania sequel?
Only new levels. All original.
Super emeralds
Fang the Sniper as an antagonist
Amy with a non-playable role

>>376868461
>Sonic The Hedgehog (2013)
>It's been 4 fucking years and the definitive versions of Sonic 1&2 are still mobile only
What the FUCK SEGA

>>376869942
>>376871009
>No.
Great argument guys.
I don't even understand what people are saying where the controls are great for a Sonic game in the slightest.
The're tight, comfortable, and easy to get into.


But it's really boring. Outrageously boring. I don't feel a real sense of speed or experimentation at all.
Even the peelout feels like a rip where it still has a pretty similar peak to even ground running.

>>376873546
These are not mutually exclusive

Or do you have difficulty understanding how giving Sonic 06 a 46/100 is both dumping on it and also being comically fucking generous to it

>>376874016
Sonic 06 happened over a decade ago. I love how anyone who implies something positive about "modern Sonic" gets it thrown in their face like this, though.

>>376874016

>every modern Sonic game is 06

>>376874220
What's your point, every Sonic game after it was just as shit with equally tepid reviews

Secret Rings: 69/100 - game was a fucking pile of shit
Black Knight: 54/100 - game was shovelware
Lost World: 57/100 - mobile game design applied to consoles

These are fucking GENEROUS scores, and yet you accuse reviewers of 'dumping' on them, which means you think they deserve higher score, meaning you have fucking worthless taste

>>376874817
No, Lost World is about right. It's not abysmal, but it doesn't deserve to be much higher than a 50.

>>376874817

mate, getting a compliment from a video game journalist isn't generous. it's a fucking pox.

you're knowingly avoiding the lukewarm reception to colours and generations even though they're fan favourites.

but i'm sure you're going to find a way to reduce those games at being on the same level as secret rings and black knight.

>>376860675
Demakes of levels from 3D games

>sonic adventure
>sonic adventure 2
>sonic heroes
>sonic 06
>sonic unleashed
>sonic colors
>sonic lost world

7 levels there, then they can have another 5 or 6 as brand new levels.

Mania 3 will end the mania series and be all brand new levels

Then taxman will take over sonic team and sonic games will only be classic sonic forever

>>376875257
>77-79/100 is lukewarm

Nigger that's literally the most average possible score

You unironically think that Sonic Generations and Sonic Colors are greater than 4/5 games

>>376875549

you're not looking at the bigger picture.

the gaming industry defines these scores and generations is a 4/5 game in a world where gone home is considered a 5/5

>>376872430
Lost World is on PC now and Colors was also Wii exclusive.

>>376872430
That begs the question, what is a massive success for this game? How many people are even working on it?

One thing I'm confused about is why Capcom stopped after Mega Man 10 because both 9 & 10 seemed to be large successes for such a small investment.

>>376863628
For me, as an old school fan, the things that pissed me off most about the bloated roster was that, for one, the overall time spent as Sonic usually suffered for it. And the way it was handled in S3&K was abandoned, with there being branching parts in the acts that only certain characters could access.
They instead split the game up and wasted time with gameplay that just plain sucked

>>376860675
more levels

excellent music

>>376860675
>>A sequel's guaranteed, isn't it?

Doubtful. Mania is being built by a small team on a small budget with what I assume would be a ridiculous schedule. I don't see a Mania 2 happening unless SEGA bothers to give them a budget and an actual staff.

>>376878573

Because people started bitching about Capcom rehashing Mega Man again.

>>376878630
True. But most people aren't so logical. Some people recoil at even the sight of characters who aren't Sonic, Tails or Knuckles.

Roster bloat was never really a problem in my opinion. It was just that the alternate game modes were frequently not that fun.

I want every level to be original. No more retreads.

>>376878787
Why would that complaint mean anything if they were making money?

Which system has the best D-Pad to play this on?

>>376879004
I would imagine MM10 probably had diminishing returns after MM9. Less novelty, and drama queens were probably expecting endless sequels upon seeing a second modern game in that formula.

>>376879047
PS4. Though you might find a good pad for PC.

>>376879004

Critical success, but I doubt 9 and 10 were big commercial success as you believe them to be. Mega Man games have sold an abysmal amount since Battle Network 4.

Mega Man 9 and 10 aren't even on Capcom's Platinum Titles list, a list of Capcom's best selling titles of all time. Fucking Remember Me is on that list.

>>376879047

>Asking this question for a Sonic game

They're hardly demanding. As long as you can go left and right reliably, you'll be fine.

Honestly, all 3 consoles have pretty good controls this gen.

>>376879201
>Fucking Remember Me is on that list.
Unfortunately, modern gamers are very visual-oriented. An 8-bit game, novelty or not, is probably not going to hook the modern generation. I hate to say it but nostalgiafags like us are in the minority.

>>376879282
The 360 pad would make you drop into a roll when you didnt want to a lot of times.

>>376879487

We're 5 years into this generation.

I think we can safely stop calling the 360 "current gen"

I didn't know they were making it a bit more physics based. That's honestly the direction they should have gone all along. Instead of focusing on speed, which was really never the point of the classic games.

>>376879487
I hate those rigid plastic tophat d-pads.

>>376879640
I didn't. I'm saying that a good d-pad does matter for Sonic, which is why I was asking....

>>376879689
>which was really never the point of the classic games

Yuji Naka wanted to make a fast side scrolling game without a run button. A ball rolling physics system was his solution.

Speed was absolutely the point.

>>376879809
It was a feature. Most of your time is spent platforming and carefully navigating the levels.
The Advance games are what you get when you make speed the focus. Or the HOLD X TO BOOST parts in modern ones.

>>376879346
I don't solely believe it's nostalgia though nostalgia does play a big part for some. I think it's solely because new age gamers have been turning into tech drones. If it's not new and not the best then why bother. Before long consoles will be like cell phones be prepared to buy a new one every year.

>>376861229
Because "classic" sonic isn't classic at all. Nothing about his stages or gameplay mirror older games. It's just slightly slower side-scrolling modern sonic without boost

>>376871164
I've played random Sonic Worlds shit that's better though, that's the problem. This thing took ten fucking years and it looks and handles like ass with weak stage design.

haven't played BtS, but AtS also kind of sucks

>>376861229
The "classic" parts still dont feel right

>>376879991
I'm mostly talking about first impressions. I very much believe MM9 to be a good game. But the aesthetic of a game from yesteryear scares a lot of people off, or makes them think it's some budget indie title or something.

I ALMOST can't blame them for that impression. So many shit indie games have tried to capitalize on retro gaming how can someone be expected to recognize when one isn't just a shitty cash-grab?

I mean, I would hope people would be able to recognize Megaman and give benefit of the doubt, but...

>>376862128
modern fans are wrong

none of the 3d sonic games are good

>>376880210
MM9 was a huge success though. It didn't scare anybody off. Sega and Namco have been selling the same collection of old shit over and over every generation.
Shovel Knight is a phenomenon.

>>376880363
But it still wasn't a platinum title?

>>376880363
>MM9 was a huge success though.

Based on what numbers?

It was a modest success, enough for Capcom to try another stab but it didn't set the world on fire.

>>376880210
Yeah I see that too. I mean some Indie retro games are good but I agree most are shit looking for a quick buck. Honestly though lately so many AAA games seem to be going for the same strategy

>>376880716
Are you asking?
It was a digital download?
??

>>376880363
Though SEGA has be selling the same old shit over and over atleast they add shit to there rereleases of sonic but everything else fuck that.

>>376873965
Play it on BlueStacks faggot

>>376873965
Bluestacks or an android TV box. Honestly you can find an android TV box that can play both for under 30 dollars.