>Crowdfund a spiritual successor to classic cRPGs >Release

>>376807063
>How the fuck does Obsidian get away with it?
I'll tell you how. PoE wasn't bad, it was decent, a lot of people liked it, you just have unsatifisfiable autistic standards

>>376807063
what you described was pretty accurate.

>Release a colossal piece of shit that is indefensible
Elaborate.

>>376807063
The same autists who like reading walls of text

>>376807339
there are 2 problems with pillars of eternity

op isn't 12 anymore
and it's not Baldurs Gate 2

basically, no matter what rpg you make he will never be satisfied, and will always jerk off to his memories about his favorite rpg he played when he was a tiny dicked preteen

>>376807206
PoE is a bland and boring game with a bland and boring story in a bland and boring setting filled with bland and boring characters, classes, quests, character builds, etc etc etc

>>376807540
so is every video game ever, what's your point?

>>376807540
>bland and boring
Explain further.

>>376807425
Oh no, some people like reading, better calls them autists.
Not every game has to please the Rooty tooty point and shooty crowd.

>>376807724
No.

>>376807770
It's uninteresting. It's not catching. It's all
>DUDE
>SOULS
>LMAO
There are only two isometric RPGs I have never finished because of how boring and uninteresting they are, and surprise surprise, they're PoE and Tyranny

>>376808002
not an argument

>>376807063
It took me 2 tries to get into PoE. But for some reason when I finally got there I loved it. You have to like to read though because that fucking game loredumps the shit out of you.

>>376807540
I don't think these games are for you. I played a shitload of crpgs when I was younger but now I feel the same way about PoE and divinity, I can never play them to completion. This probably has to do with time constraints of adult life more than anything else. It's time to move on, anon.

>>376807063

i liked it

>>376807528
/thread

>>376807063
Obsidians fans are called Obsidiots for a reason.
They have become conditioned to enjoy the defending of the game far more than the game itself.

They will have fully annotated arguments over why Obsidians latest flawed gem is in fact a great game.
They will also point out every flaw in the game is not Obsidian's fault.

They are like a beaten woman defending their abuser.

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>play for 15 minutes
>remember picking some berries, some female character annoying me and hating the combat
>never played again

i backed it too

>>376808110
Well, I agree with both of you that PoE (and D:OS too) was banal fucking boring and I still have fun with other crpgs, so couldn't it be that maybe, just maybe, the fault is not in your lack of time and PoE really was a boring piece of shit?

>>376808103
Same here, broke my hip a while back and grabbed a bunch of RPGs to play while it healed. When I was on painkillers I couldn't focus through the info dumps but when I went back to play it sober and read all their dumps it wasn't too bad of a game. I wouldn't be mad if I had gotten it for like $20

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>>376807063
I really wouldn't mind PoE if it wasn't for the god damn expositional "dialogue" all the fucking time.

When I talk to some guy I expect a dialogue tree and actually having the NPC tell me something.

But everytime I started a dialogue with a mildly interesting looking character it did that "soul sight" bullshit and it was incredibly annoying to read through the god damn background story of some fucker I don't care about.

That's why I stopped playing.
Does this ever get better?
Because all the other stuff seemed relatively solid.

>>376808049
>not an argument
not an argument

>>376808110
No mate, I can play through all of BG, BG2 and ToB just fine.

PoE is just boring and annoying. Plus the combat is fucking awful.

>>376808458
It only gets better if stop being retarded and stop talking to kickstarter fanmade npcs

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>>376808458
Those aren't actual NPCs, those are Kickstarter backer NPCs which show you a story of one of their soul ancestors or whatever when you click them. It has nothing to do with the story, it's flavour text.

You can turn it off, but some of them are pretty cool actually. I remember them being labelled purple or something like that, shouldn't be hard to circumvent.

>>376807063
>Release a colossal piece of shit that is indefensible
This is an opinion not a fact. I loved the game.

>Game is somehow still fairly successful
With your new found knowledge of opinions the reason for this is fairly obvious it was successful because people liked it.

>Ask people to crowdfund it again
>The faggots actually do it
As with the above there are a lot of people that like it. There is a strong chance that you are in the minority and your opinion is not the dominate one.

Just a reminder that all the talented writers have left Obsidian after PoE.

>>376808436
>>376808103

I skipped all the lore dumps and googled where I'm supposed to go on the rare case that one of the lore dumps contained directions.

It was enjoyable that way, while it would have been torture if I read everything.

A dungeon crawler with light questing, light story/lore, and PoE style combat and party management sounds like a great concept for a game.

>>376808864
Could you name them?

>>376808951
Chris Avellone
Eric Fenstermaker

>>376808650
not an argument

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>>376808931
Anon I feel like you would love Darkest Dungeon. No joke.

>>376808951
People like you you are the reason shit gets funded.

>>376808736
>>376808753
How the fuck is anyone unfamiliar with all the kickstarter bullshit supposed to know that.

What a terrible decision to include those. I thought they were really fucking important background information.

Good to know though. thanks anons!

Pillars of Eternity was real good, though

>>376809095

I have darkest dungeon. It's good, but I like the real time combat with positioning and movement a lot more than turn based row-on-row.

Pillars of Eternity is a great game, pleb

>>376807206
That's about it really, PoE had too much hype behind it. It's had unrealistic expectations to live up to.

>>376809812
Those expectations are the only reason the game got funded. Can you imagine just how terrible it would have turned out if it only got the original 1m they asked for when with four times as much money they only achieved mediocrity?

>>376809745
>with positioning and movement
So not poe or tyranny then.

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One of these days, /v/ will stop with the "PoE is bad" meme

>>376810396
But it IS bad

>>376808263
///thread!!

>>376810396
It IS bad, you're the one memeing

>>376807063
>Release a colossal piece of shit that is indefensible

Baldur's Gate is fucking awful and Planescape was mediocre. Pillars is a far better game than both but it wasn't exactly a high bar that was being set in the first place.

>>376810307

It's very beneficial to do things like move your characters in formation, split your tanks just far enough apart that they can hold a line without being porous in the middle, constantly maneuver your casters to duck in and out of AoE range, manually hold back squishier classes until you've been in combat for a while and cast a bunch of setup/control spells.

I beat the game on frozen crown.

>>376810396
Why do you have such a hard on for that guy? His story was forgettable as fuck, just another companion soul melodrama. Shit got old in the base game already.

>>376807063
>How
By making incorrect assumptions.

>Release a colossal piece of shit that is indefensible

>>376810396
It's fucking atrocious, most bland rpg ever created. Id rather replay Arcanum for 12th time than play poe for second time

>>376810396
it will only stop when PoE2 comes out.
Then the meme will be
>PoE2 is so shit, why did they change x? It was so good in poE1. Completely ruined it

>First game was great
>20 bucks to support a sequel and get it day one
Wow, what a robbery

>>376807063
PoE was mediocre at worst. It was by no means a bad game.

>>376808341
In my experience that's the case with most WRPGs of this kind, that it takes a significant amount of time before you really get into it. Baldur's Gate had a horrendously boring and terrible beginning and I nearly dropped it.

>>376807063
>colossal piece of shit
No. A colossal piece of shit is something like Unlimited SaGa or Ultima IX. PoE is just boring.

It was better than the Icewind Dales and Baldur's Gate 1, that's not too bad.

>>376807063
Eh

Im looking forward to DivOS2 more.

I am a faggot who prefers less text but more choices over walls of text and the illusion of choice.

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>>376807063
Everything was fine up to asking for crowdfunding for the second entry. That is simply maximum overjew. But if people fall for this shit they deserve it.

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>>376807063
Your opinion is very important to the RPG fanbase. Please keep us informed.

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>>376807528
>tfw you had a huge early teen dick that made everyone's jaw drop in the school showers but then it didn't grow all that much anymore so now it's just average

>>376812456
>RPG fanbase

kek
The only reason PoE sold well was because of the pre-release hype and marketing surrounding it, and because it has above average graphics.

>>376810454

But, that's just your opinion.
Game has its audience,
Yes, its not BG1&2 but it is cwrpg.
Its at least good.
And, there is enough real interest for sequel.
And, I can find , on top of my head, at least 10 games ,we will get sequel no one wants or asks for.

Fact that they want to kickstart sequel is fact that they have enough confidence and knowhow to make at least better sequel .
They did collect money,didn't they?

>>376812456

Pretty depressing numbers.

Can't even hope the GOG ones would re-balance things a bit.

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>>376807063
OP, listen.
You are correct.


I have had PoE, with its expansions pirated for a while now, and I have tried, numerous times, on many many occasions to get into the game. I've went above and beyond what a player needs to do to try and get into a game actually, and it simply isn't happening.

If you're the guy who said a few posts down from the OP that everything is bland as fuck, from the classes to the setting, then you're completely fucking right again.

The attributes are also a fucking mess and I cannot stand them.

And to anybody who says shit like "well m-maybe you just don't like isometric rpgs anymore", that is fucking retarded and simply untrue. I have played through games like Underrail multiple times and I went back and played Icewind dale 2 for the 3rd time a month ago.

Pillars is just pure fucking trash.

>>376812431
When will this meme end? There's no publisher and there's absolutely zero chance the profits from PoE would be enough to cover the development of another game of the same magnitude.

A lot of people liked the first game and so were ready to support a sequel, get over it. There's really nothing jew about it.

>>376809009
Eric Fenstermaker was part of the pre-production writing and is writing Edér.

>>376807063
I like the first PoE so I funded the second, though I wish it wouldn't have this kickstarter thing going on. I guess it doesn't matter if I'm going to buy it anyaway.

>>376807063
>>Release a colossal piece of shit that is indefensible

But the game's pretty good. Are you just trying to act cool for all the anonymous people on /v/?

>>376810590
It's insane how many people go "PoE has mindless combat". It cannot be any more untrue. If anything, you can complain that it forces you to micro-manage too hard.

>>376810623
He's a great character with a great personal quest and backstory. Some of his banter is amusing. Plus, he's a Monk and Monks are really good in PoE.

>>376813230
You can never know. I was going to buy Tyranny up until the day it was released. Then my credit card got rejected because of a communication error, so I pirated it. Uninstalled after 5 hours and never looked back. God fucking damn, I dodged a bullet.

>>376812456

Jesus Christ, poor Torment, this is again most underappreciated title of all times.
It just shows that in reality, majority ofvgamers are not a deep beings.

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>>376813418
>MFW pre-ordered Tyranny
It was so fucking bad. I regret having spent so much money and time on it. I was expecting something that would at least be a quarter as good as Pillars. What the fuck happened?

>>376807540
PoE is an interesting and exciting game with an good and well written story in a decent setting with some great characters in there and a lot of great classes, quests and character builds.

>>376808002
the pillars setting is a lot more interesting that Yet Another Forgotten Realms RPG™

The biggest problem with nu crpg is that it doesnt give you replayability on the same level as BG. In BG you at least could play 2 routes: a cunt and a cuck. In PoE, for example, there is literally no point in replaying it

>>376808002
>DUDE
>BHAALSPAWN
>LMAO
wtf i hate bg2 now

I had this argument with friends. Im a huge rpg lover but i couldnt play poe more than 4 hours or so. I found the story very boring and dialogues were sometimes non sense or even absurd. Graphics were ok but thats all, sadly.

>>376813418
>Tranny

For some reason I didn't find out about this game until few days before the launch so I just decided to wait and see how it was. I'm glad I did.

>>376808103
>>376808436
Same here
Hated it at launch, couldn't even get halfway through it
Tried it with the expansions, spent 200 hours on it.

>>376813086
PoE is pretty good if you like immersing yourself in a new setting of lore, religion, history, etc. On that front it provides a well-thought out and unique enough story and world with good presentation (by that I mean not just dumping everything in books and codex entries.)

If you like hack-and-slashers like Icewind Dale though then no wonder you couldn't get into it.

>>376808290
Then why do I hate Tyranny but love Pillars of Eternity? Your theory doesn't add up.

>>376813275
I think it's just people who are upset with the fact that they can't abuse mechanics to indefinitely kite enemies anymore, or that there isn't a hundred different spell effects or something.
The Engagement system alone is the best implementation I've ever seen in a crpg

>>376813497
>What the fuck happened?
Wasn't it made by Obsidian's less-experienced 'B'-team, except enough of their writers have left that they don't actually have a B-team?
I don't know. I haven't played it

>>376809634
I only found out about it because it is in one of the loading screens. They should have made it more obvious. Just ignore the gold plate dudes with the command to peer in souls. Although they will still feel annoying with their presence since they stand out so much from everyone else. Wish there was a mod to just outright remove them. Glad PoE 2 won't have that shit.

>>376813739
Maybe it's just not for you, and that's okay, anon.

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>>376811153
I already hate that they're taking out vancian casting and reducing the party to 5. Plus, no Avellone so we probably won't see Durance or a Durance-level character.
Still pretty hyped for it overall, though.

>>376813967
anyone with basic pattern recognition would've read maybe 2 or 3 of the gold plate guys and gone "huh, there seems to be a pattern here. the gold nameplate seems to denote that these are merely backdrop characters because i don't really have a way to interact with them outside of reading their backstory. guess i'll ignore them"

>>376814083
Durance is a shit character

All PoE characters are shit

>>376812192
Better than Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2 (without MOTB) too.

>>376813726
Not everything in BG2 revolved around Bhaalspawns. It was the core of the main quest, and part of Jaheira's questline, but only that. Bhallspwans have nothing to do with any of the side quests in and around Athkathla, Bhaalspawns have nothing to do with fish city, Bhaalspawns have nothing to do with things going on in Underdark.

Souls in PoE is like pokemon in any Pokemon game. The only thing anyone ever talks or thinks about.

>>376813692
Pillars of Eternity allows you to kill every single NPC on your way except for one (which ends up dying later anyways)

You can start the initial quest, murder everyone and then go brag about it. You can have your cruel reputation go up and the world will react accordingly.

It has just as much Evil C&C as Baldur's Gate 1.

>>376814014
>spoiler
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
NO EVERYTHING IS FOR ME
FUCK YOU

>>376807063
I think expecting another BG2 from a fucking kickstarter campaign is a bit much.

The fact that the first game's lore is fedora-tier should have been enough to clue you in.

>>376813931
Yeah, it was. No Sawyer or Fenstermaker. Unfortunately, some of the terrible writers from Tyranny are working on Pillars of Eternity 2, though.

>>376807063
nigga what fuck you
Pillars was alright

>>376814153
Nah

>>376814254
>>376813692
i played through as an orlan rogue, and i'm going through again as a godlike cipher. i feel like there are enough different dialogue options to keep things fresh. i've also had the recommendation that i play as a priest of skaan at one point because that makes the interaction with the skaan cult very different. so i guess i have to disagree about the lack of replayability. and the thing is i have more of an urge to replay pillars than the original BG because my experience with BG was a lot of wandering around in the wilderness not finding much of consequence, and a painfully pedestrian storyline.

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>>376814153

>>376813452
I blame InXile's non-existent art/design team, their games area really poor both artistically and technically.

Also the game was broken/unplayable for me on launch and it took a whole fucking month for them to get a patch out. Still haven't bothered to try it again.

>>376814475
And a terrible combat system since low level D&D is hell.

>>376814475
>because that makes the interaction with the skaan cult very different

It doesn't.

>>376814119
>. the gold nameplate seems to denote that these are merely backdrop characters because i don't really have a way to interact with them outside of reading their backstory.


How would you know that their backgorund isn't relevant to the story?
The one quest with the dwarven woman (?) hanging from the tree does the same "peer into soul" shit.
Except more interesting.

>>376814561
>low level D&D is hell
That's what makes BG1 so intense!

Besides, if you really get frustrated you can always bring together a large group.

>>376814410
>>376814536
>HURR DURR BITCH SLUT GODDESS WHORE SHIT CUNT FUCK BITCH MUH FIRE BOMB KILLED A GOD FUCK SHIT CUNT *farts* WHORE SLUT WHORE GODDESS BOMB GOD KILL ALL OF THOSE CUNTS *BUUUUUUUUUUURP*
>/v/ loves this character

Woah.... really made me think...

>>376814083
Vancian casting is okay, but I personally dislike it because it means I can never be bothered playing a caster, so I'm not exactly devastated it's gone.
I'm really looking forward to the revamped class system, though, I'm hoping it will let me build the melee-focused Cipher I've always wanted.

>>376814276
Anon I'm sorry you feel that way, but you shouldn't let yourself feel pressured to have to like or dislike something because of someone else's opinion. Take care!

>>376814621
and her nameplate isn't gold, so there you go, basic pattern recognition

>>376814716
>constantly mashing quicksave/quickload
>intense

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>>376814716
>two characters standing still swinging at each other for 10 minutes with a hit rate of 5% is intense

>>376814736
>HURRR DURRR WHAT CAN CHANGE THE NATURE OF A MAN DUDE I DUNNO WHO I AM LMAO *scars self*

ladies and gentlemen, the greatest crpg ever made

>>376814941
Thing is, you're simplifying.

I am not. Durance is literally that.

the problem with Pillars was that it wasn't a thought out system like ADnD was
every mechanic and rule seemed to be bland and Obsidian tried their hardest to "balance-ruin" it by making every attribute equal shit

I liked the lore, I loved the world and characters, but fuck the ending

>>376815015
>>376815015
>I am not.
yes you are though

>>376815015
Durance does not say "Hurr durr bitch slut goddess whore shit cunt fuck bitch muh fire bomb killed a god fuck shit cunt *farts* whore slut whore goddess bomb god kill all of those cunts *burp*"

I'm fairly sure I would have remembered that quote

>>376814839
>reloading
>ever
You don't even know how to play. Don't quicksave. Win the game in one go. Then you'll learn what intense feels like.

>>376814917
>two characters standing still swinging at each other for 10 minutes with a hit rate of 5%
Stop being literally the dumbest cunt to ever play that game. A solo fighter in BG1? Are you seriously suggesting that? You've lost your mind.

>>376815074
What's wrong with the ending? I liked it.

>>376815091
I am not. Literally all of Durance's dialogue is him sperging out about that fire goddess or the bomb or that god dude.

Anyone that likes him is just obsessed about stroking Avellone's microdick

>>376815129
Yeah from a Reggie Watts song

>>376815206
Not true. Durance has plenty of banter that isn't about the fire goddess, a bomb or the god dude.

>>376807063
>PoE
>piece of shit
I actually fell for this meme and didn't bother with the game until a couple of weeks ago. Can't draw a conclusion about story and setting yet, since I haven't gotten far, but gameplay is pretty damn solid and enjoyable.

>>376815182
You're trying very hard to sound like a pro when, inevitably, all you do is cheese the game. You cheese early BG with a party all using bows and ranged weapons.

I want to play a fucking roleplaying game dude. If I roll a paladin I want to wield a fucking sword. I don't want to have to be a minmaxing faggot cheesing game mechanics because I don't have an autistic devotion to gameplay that I don't find enjoyable.

DUDE
BÎAŴAC
LMAO

DUDE
SOULS
LMAO

DUDE
WATCHER
LMAO

DUDE
PREVIOUS LIVES
LMAO

>>376815327
>but gameplay is pretty damn solid and enjoyable.
RTWP is something of a novelty in the 'current year'.

No disrespect to PoE in that department. It's good that they tried for that. I just don't like the cringe-inducing story.

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>>376807063
Stay mad.

It's a nice setting and Deadfire can't be worse. I preordered, 30 bucks it's a good discount for day 1

>>376815416
Bit of a shame they didn't manage to get to the sea monsters + fishing goal.

>>376815404
seems bizarre to me that people would hate on RTWP and constantly push for turn based when two of the best games ever made, BG2 and Planescape Torment, are both RTWP.

>>376814326
That's a shame, from the rough idea of the game I formed from these threads I thought it had a lot of promise. It's a bit concerning if they're moving some of those poorer writers to Deadfire, but it shouldn't be /too/ bad as long as somebody's actually checking their work. There's only one way to learn, right?
Anyway, as long as Eder and Iselmyr are written well. Who's the project lead, Sawyer?

Also, is Torment good or is there a chance of Ziets returning and leading us to the promised land?

>>376814941
>the greatest crpg ever made
But that isn't KotOR II or Mask of the Betrayer

>>376815372
>I don't want to have to be a minmaxing faggot cheesing game mechanics because I don't have an autistic devotion to gameplay that I don't find enjoyable.
There's a vast grey area between getting rekt and cheesing the game, and I'm no pro. I have tried playing a few no-load runs though and it's the most intense experience I've ever had with BG.

Meh, you're right. I did sound condescending before. I didn't mean to.

>>376815605
>KotOR II

DUDE
ECHOES
LMAO

>>376815578
BG2 is actually bad and Planescape Torment is great for everything except the combat. The actual best game ever is Fallout 1 and 2, which are both turn based.

>>376807063
Show us on the Vessel where InfinityEngine touched you.

>>376815678
>BG2 is actually bad
what did he mean by this

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>>376815571
What if seamonsters will be included in a future DLC?

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>>376815571
>we won't get to adventure with this cute, CUTE elf
Utter tragedy.

>>376815206
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAA8xhz408I
plenty of dialogue here where he isn't sperging out about that fire goddess or the bomb or that god dude

>>376815605
They fail on the premise they made really hard. The project leads for PoE 2 are Bobby Null and Josh Sawyer, who will hopefully weed out the shittiest writing, or at least contain it.

>>376815206
>mocking people for praising Avellone
>hasn't played his best game

>>376815668
DUDE
APATHY
LMAO

BG: Extended > BG2: Extended > Pillars

>>376815578
>seems bizarre to me that people would hate on RTWP
They just can't deal with it for some reason. I personally love it and wish it was used more often. There's something really fun about having that much strategic control over what should normally be tactics.

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>>376815729
I wish. Sea monster battles on your ship would be cool. Even better if you can get a crew and upgradable ship to aid you.

>>376815790
But you can hire the anime companion. No sidequest or romance option, sadly

>>376815913
>: Extended
?

>>376815940
Aren't ship battles confirmed to be CYOA anyway? Can't imagine sea monsters would be anything interesting either.

>>376815182
I was like 12 when I played it and wanted to play a swordsman, how the fuck was I supposed to know any of that?

>>376815991
I meant Enhanced.

>>376816174
12 should be old enough to understand that in a party based game you go fucking get a party unless you are specifically looking for a challenge.

>>376816174
The game added a rogue to your party and strongly told you to meet up with a fighter/druid and a fighter.
You were implying in that last message that you somehow went solo anyway.

>>376816217
Oh. Yeah I can't stand those. I understand people who play that version though: modding the original games to perfection can take hours.

Still, all the new fanfic characters in the EE are a bad joke.

>All these Pillars apologists in this thread

It wasn't a good game; it was a disappointment that didn't live up to previous games of its genre.

I didn't like it because I thought the story and writing were bad. Nothing really had any staying power, either. The setting is lame, so I don't have any reason to care about it.

>>376816097
I'm sure we'll get CYOA sea monsters. I imagine the stretch goal was for actual battling.

>>376816395
It didn't live up to the best but it did live up to most.

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>>376815817
That's a real disappointment; it was such a cool idea at that. All I wanted to do was full in love with my overlordfu, Obsidian. At least - hopefully - it will give them even more impetus to ensure Deadfire is as good as it can possibly be, especially with regards to the writing. Bobby Null worked on SoZ I see, which was decent.

>>376815961
>No sidequest or romance option, sadly
God fucking damn it, Obsidian. How many waifus do they have to keep me from?
I'm glad to hear you can hire her at least, she has a great design. Thanks anon, I haven't been keeping up with the updates.

>>376816310
But you didn't start with a party did you? And even if you get another member that's two characters standing still swinging with a 5% hit chance, still not very exciting.

>>376816813
It gives you 3 companions within 5 minutes after leaving Candlekeep. Thief, fighter, mage.

>>376813418
I didn't hear about it until after it was released, but I was really, really hyped by the concept as soon as I read it and I was ready to get my wallet out right then. But I always pirate things first and play for an hour or two, just in case, since nobody releases any fucking demos anymore. Tyranny is exactly the reason why I do shit like that. What a fumbled mess.

>>376815790
This is by far the best part of their campaign. Josh just playing all the retarded animefags like fiddles and then getting away with it.

can I finally fug a guy as a guy in the sequel?

>>376818069
Probably. They did say there will be romance, although they didn't specify which characters you can fuck.

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>>376818069
Pick one

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Guys there is no point in arguing whit OP.

No matter what you say and what arguments you make op is gonna dismiss them because he already made up his mind and everyone else retarded for disagreeing whit him.

Because he played so many video games it automatically gives him the high ground and makes all of his arguments about video games more valid than anyone's.

Are there any mods to change the idiotic health system in the first game to something more practical?

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>>376807063
hope the gameplay is more of the style of tyrrany.

its gameplay is better than eternits was.,

>>376818470
Tyranny is trash. The combat system is heavily casualized with cooldown shit, it might as well be Dragon Age. Pillars of Eternity is much better.

Which version of PoE is the most enjoyable to play? I know they rebalanced and nerfed the shit out of a ton of classes every patch and there were a ton of them. And I remember everyone bitching every time a new patch was released.

So anyone got any suggestions on which version I should play?

>>376818526
but i like dragon age.

>>376818286
I think all the companions from PoE are all pretty ugly except Eder but I'm not that interested in him

>>376818432
How is it idiotic.
It makes it so you dont have to spam rest after every battle.

Did you play the original infinity engine games?

>>376818675
The blue one is kinda cute

>>376818545
The latest one, without a doubt. They changed some slight OP cheese stuff, but every class is fun to play and competent.

>>376818925
They nerfed the shit out of melee cipher, which wasn't all that great to begin with. Sawyer should go fuck himself.

>>376818545
it depends what you define as enjoyable. I played PoE at release and Ciphers were so overpowered it was retarded.

Patches nerfed some op classes but also buffed other underpowered ones, like hunters. I honestly think the latest version is the best

>>376819089
Ciphers are still ridiculously good, though. Even melee.

The flavor text ruined this game.

When I talk to an NPC, I do not want to read a description of their clothing (which I can already fucking see anyway) or their hand gestures or whatever.

Tides of Numenera has a ton of this boring drivel too and it ruins both games.

>>376813164
>b-but he was part of pre-production!!!
>he's totally involved guys please dont lose hype!!!!!!!
kys retard
he still left obsidian
he has 0 influence on PoE2

>>376819974
His spirit is still felt in the PoE universe.

>Do thing.
>Thing succeeds.
>Try to do thing again.
?????

>SJWs make a CRPG.

>/v/ Defends it.

What the fuck happened?

>>376820186
Tell that to Bioware

>>376807063
>Release a colossal piece of shit that is indefensible
Why do Obsidian threads always start with drama? Is this the only way to get (You)s here now?

>use the philosopher background as a priest
>Iovara tells me the gods aren't real
>forced into a single dialogue option: "I KNEW IT!"
Was this really necessary?

>game is 2 years old
>still 40 euros
Weigh anchor.

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>>376818286
I'm just glad my birdfu is returning, I want more of that hot accent.

Haven't really read much about it, did they decide to have romances?

>>376820998
yes we already know he's writing Edér. What's your point?

>>376820819
That's a nice touch. I thought it only happened if you argued the gods weren't real with Callista at the start, though.

Only thing I thought was bad about PoE was that Wizards were shitty and Druids did what they should've done better.

That and they kept putting out balance patches AKA anti-fun patches.

>>376820873
Who cares about the regular price, hasn't it had loads of really cheap deals since then?

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>>376821013
There will be romances. Hopefully, this qt will be romanceable.

>>376809745
>A dungeon crawler with light questing, light story/lore, and PoE style combat and party management sounds like a great concept for a game.
Dude, play Aarklash Legacy.

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>>376821290
That's a nice bird alright.

>>376821290
I didn't really enjoy Kana as a character that much (though half of it was probably the annoying portrait), but she seems like she might be cool, portrait reminds me of Sigourney Weaver for some reason.

>>376807063
Congratulations, you finally convinced me to install and play PoE.

>>376807063
>assuming everyone shares your opinion
I love PoE m8

>>376812456
UnderRail was 9.5/10 for me. one of my favorite games of the past 5 years.

>>376808103
>that fucking game loredumps the shit out of you.
I always wonder if people writing this ever read a book without drawings in it.

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>>376807528
I've tried like 8 times to get through Pillars of Eternity and in the past 2 years I have
>Replayed Baldur's Gate and Icewinddale using the enhanced editions
>Replayed Arcanum
>Played through NWN:MotB
>Played through Underrail
>Played through Shadowrun Dragonfall and Shadowrun Hongkong
>Played through Tranny
>Played through Wasteland 2
>Played through D:OS twice

I'm pretty sure it's Pillars of Eternity being boring is the problem and not me. Same shit happens every time.
>Start playing PoE
>You know what? This isn't that bad! I'm sure I'll finish this time.
>Interesting game comes out
>Start playing that and end up not returning to PoE for months

>>376822136
And I think PoE was a rancid dog turd and anyone involved in it's creation should deep throat a shotgun.

>>376821082
You said he has 0 influence on PoE 2. That's not true.

>>376807063
>OP of Obsidihate threads always gets 1 or two agreeing posts within 5 minutes and then buried by contradicting opinions
Almost as if this was a single person...

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>>376807540
>(You)

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>>376822521
>played through Tyranny
>but couldn't finish PoE
Literally how? Tyranny was awful: from writing to art direction and amount of content.
>kill Tunon
>oh yes, I guess now the game will finally pick up!
>it's the fucking end

>>376822802
It is. He's only writing Edér. He has no say on how anything goes writing-wise.

>>376823040
Because Tranny had a much more interesting setting and I didn't fucking know that it was going to end on what felt like the start of the second half of the game.

>>376821907
And the other half is his annoying voice actor

>>376823132
He was also a part of pre-production writing, when they were writing the broad strokes for the game. That's influence.

>>376822821
Nice suspicion, but I'm afraid you are wrong. I agree with OP, but once I've said my opinion I'm done. I did finish the game though, so I do join in the regular conversation about the game and the sequel. But just because I don't put "this game sucked" into every single one of my post regardless of what aspect of it we are talking about, that doesn't mean that I don't hate it.

>>376807063
>Obsidian fucks up every time
>it's totally always the publisher's fault and not their own
>at last they made a game without a publisher
>it's complete shit

So who do their fandrones blame now? Or do they just go full retard and pretend PoE is anything but trash?

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>>376823406
PoE is really good

>>376823326
see>>376819974
things change after pre-production

>>376823754
Sure, but pre-production is still influence

I have to agree. The game was shit, but I can't remember anything about it. I can't remember the party I had. The story was about souls and past lives. Its just really fucking boring and I'd wish people who keep calling PoE great could atleast try to defend their opinion on it. I stop'd playing after the city burned down and halfing joined the group. There was nothing interesting going on and they tried too hard to be Planescape: Torment with the theme of rebirth. Everything was bland. What made it worse was the snowflake backer characters populating the whole world. They added nothing to the game. They took space and killed the immersion.

>>376823406
>it's complete shit
>i have 200 hours with 2 playthroughs
idk I liked it

>>376823813
Ziets was part of pre-production on PoE, but you'd never be able to tell unless someone told you.

>>376823839
>defend their opinion

they liked it. you don't like it. it makes sense for them to want to talk about it, it doesn't make sense for you guys to still be here madly shitting on it 2 years later

>>376824043
>it makes sense for them to want to talk about it,
Yeah. Thats the point I was making. I don't see anyone saying what made PoE's story, setting or characters good. Great even.

>>376823947
Ziets was the main writer for Torment

>>376824309
I don't see you saying what made it bad, other than a load of subjective trash

>>376807063
>Release a colossal piece of shit that is indefensible
Wtf are you talking about?

>>376824447
Wasn't that Colin McComb? Ziets once again did some writing, but it wasn't his project. Although I think with Torment he actually wrote some game content. With PoE he just designed the pantheon, which turned out so generic literally anyone who ever played, saw, or read any fantasy story ever could have done it just as well.

>>376824447
Objectively false.
Colin McComb was the main writer for Torment. Ziets IIRC only did the Bloom area design, gameplay design and participated in story concept design.

>>376824807
>>376824857
Oh, ok. Bloom sucked, though.

>>376824478
Pillars of Eternity

>>376807063

>shortage of games in that particular genre and of that particular design
>appeal to nostalgia

at least they released an actual product

What's the funnest class? I like Paladins but PoE's version is kinda boring.

>>376827327
Barbarian, Chanter, Cipher or Monk

>>376827327
Cipher, Monk or Wizard.

>>376827327
Well yeah paladin is a support bitch even if you build it as damage dealer.
Melee wizard is fun, although rest heavy. Cipher is fun too since it has some crazy abilities straight from level 1. Chanter is cool if you are playing on hard or potd.

>>376827327
I think you need to be a bit engaged with your entire party if things aren't going to be a slog. I find cipher and rogue to be the ones I micromanage the most

>>376819768
Some RPG makers seem to think the thing that we loved so much about cRPGs was the fact that they had lots of words and were booklike, rather then that being an unfortunate reality of the technology at the time. People didn't play Planescape Torment so that they could get the authentic 'almost a book' experience, they played it so that they could be immersed in another world that's full of choices and characterization. The Numenera guys apparently think differently because one of their big marketing blabs is the sheer number of words they have, as if that's a positive in itself.

>>376807528
Pretty much this.

Baldur's Gate has always been extremely overrated.

I actually thought the companions in PoE were better than in BG.

>Hear about Pillars of Eternity
>"Hmm, let's check it out."
>Vancian magic
>Have to make a muscle wizard to be good at dealing damage with spells
>"No thanks."

>>376829080
What's wrong with requiring strength to make powerful spells? It makes all the sense in the world to me.

>>376809960
Actually, it might have been better if that happened, because then they wouldn't have felt the need to pander to so many people at once.

>>376829080
>>376829672
there's no strength stat in the game though?

>>376829723
A high might stat lets you bend iron bars with your hands and grab people by the collars and lift them up

>>376827438
>>376827497
Should I expect Monk to be like in BG2? Weak early, rapes the end-game?

>>376830408
yes, that's might
what's the problem?
might can be understood in a physical or metaphysical strength, that's why it works for both mages and barbarians

>>376830426
Monks are great from the start and they only get better.

>>376819768
>>376828174
They could have at least done what Neverwinter Nights did and have an "Examine" option you can use on an NPC. You could put most or all of the flavor text there for people who want it, and leave it out of the dialogue.

>>376830524
PoE doesn't make that distinction. A high Might wizard and a high Might warrior will both get the options that use physical strength. So if you wanted to headcanon that your high Might as a mage is metaphysical instead of meaning you're a muscle wizard, PoE would like you to go fuck yourself.

>>376807540
Nah, I don't agree with this. I also helped fund PoE2

>>376830740
Does that "Examine" also tell how the npc looks like? It would be pretty neat addition since only few npc have portraits.

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Stop backing games on fig

>>376831747
It can. It can say anything the module creator wants it to say. They just have to type it in the editor.

>>376831806
No thanks. I backed PoE2!

>>376831806
Backed PoE 2 and the new X-Com which I already forgot the name of

>>376812456
best game on that list is shadowrun dragonfall

I've never been legitimately impressed with a games writing before that game. It was unique, fit the setting perfectly, and didn't rely on cliche or purple prose to describe something. It was gritty and straight to the point, none of this endless allusion bullshit.

>>376831806
stop burning churches

>>376815206
please kill yourself, you're a retard

PoE was bretty gud in a sea of boring samey shit.

cool items, some nice spells, a couple of good characters (Eder you the fuckin' man), decent writing (and I DO mean decent), and a couple of good storylines. and the coloooors <3

>>376818286
Kill aloth because he gives intellect when you do

>>376832939
Not cool m8

>>376832927
The visuals were really good. The art, that is. The actual models were poor.

>>376822402
Why is it good? Thinking of buying it

>>376833576
oh he'll yeah some of the areas were absolutely gorgeous

>>376833795
It's a great dungeon crawler, if you're into those.

>>376834130
Cool thanks

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