What went SO VERY WRONG for the dead Wrpg genre? It's either

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>>376799242
but mass effect andromeda is actually good game

rpg is a meaningless term today, as your example shows by calling cover shooters "rpgs"

Post a good JRPG, weebcuck

Other than a crap ending and characters that don't have enough screen time, Mankind Divided is fantastic.

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>>376799242
Please don't put MD among this trash.
It was a fantastic game which unfortinatly bombed due to casuals who just go after the most marketed piss instead of quality.

>>376799242
The fuck are you talking about those 3 games are good and all of them were successful in the market, only one that got shit was mass effect but it still did well
>itt OP is a retard

>>376799298
Lets laugh at this pathetic shitposters b8

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>>376799357

>>376799434
give me a break. md bombed because it was butchered for more sequels. eidos was going full ubisoft with their planned "deus ex universe" anyways, thankfully everyone saw through that shit and it was effectively nipped at the bud thankfully. im glad it failed. id rather the series die there than be reduced to yearly turds.

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>>376799242
Why are you posting images of shooters if you want to talk about rpgs?

>>376799613
How do you know it would have become a yearly turd? Look at how good MD is compared to HR - care and heart was obviously out into it.

>>376799559
>>376799661
nu /v/ can't distinguish hack n slash from rpg

DXMD was good though. It just sold like shit.

But yeah, no other good AAA RPGs in the past 5-ish years. Indie or low budget is thriving though. Original Sin, Dragonfall, Underrail. We have Bannerlord coming as well.

>>376799298
neck yourself

>>376799242
Is Syberia 3 good? It's the only western game this year that got my attention.

>>376799661

Why are you posting an image of a fungono crawler if you want to talk about rpgs?

MD was cut to sell DLC shit, and because of that the franchise is now dead, thanks Square Enix.

>>376799298

>I have no facial expressions and I must scream

>>376799242
Why do peoplke hate on Mankind Divided so much?
It was short and the story could've been better, but it had good world building, looked amazing at times and had much better gameplay than HR.

>>376799661
>>376799726
>>376799770
RPGs are diverse and come in many forms get over it cucks.
Is only isometric point and click trash rpg now?

I don't get the hate for the new dude sex.

Sure it ran like shit on pc and consoles but it's still the same gameplay we loved and wanted more of.

The only thing that really pissed me off was the ending.

>>376799715
read what deus ex universe was planned to be. spoilers: exactly the same shit ubi does.

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>>376799845
>RPGs are diverse
>Having some stats makes your game a rpg

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>>376799613
Even if you 100% ignore the main story there's content for a least 20+ hours if you aren't a mouth breather who just chases objective markers.
There's so much interesting shit to discover in the levels.
The "butchered for sequel" meme which gets parroted by fags who didn't play the game or rushed past everything needs to fucking die already.

>>376799836
you answered your own question. the sidequests were better than the main game and the actual plot moved forward by inches and right when it got interesting it was roll credits see you next year for another exciting episode of deus ex.

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>>376799504
>he has a different opinion so it must be bait
but that's not how it works sweetie :^)

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>>376799752
why would i do that?

>>376799661
Because all western RPGS are shooters now, ameritards get bored after the first 5 minutes if they can't shoot at everything like sociopaths.

>>376799242
Western developers are too focussed on sequels and DLC, leaving a roleplaying game ferling shallow.

>>376799876
I like MD, but the game was rushed to the sell season pass and microshit for the multi.

Fallout 4 is a great dopamine generator

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>>376800187
Good one Todd

>>376799876
>Sure it ran like shit on pc

worked great for me, but i didn't buy it until well after it was patched. only frame drops i got was during that unskippable walking sequence in the train station

>>376799242
Most of the market now dislikes true RPGs

>>376799845
>stats = rpg
underage retard

ROLE
PLAYING
GAME

choosing between 1h and 2h sword isn't roleplaying you underage faggot

I enjoyed all the bethesda games, even the truly terrible skyrim

I hated all the mass effect games, because I don't like ADS shooters, regardless of context

its called subjectivity anon, and the willingness to lower your standards when you like some aspect of a game

>>376800360
Mainstream market never liked rpg games, it's nothing new.

>>376800323
not being able to kill this nigger and the idiots he is enabling is the second biggest flaw of this entire game

I just never enter the building they are in, problem solved

All three games listed in the OP are better and sold better than weebshit

>>376800032
Doubt they seriously thought they could churn out a game like that every year.

>Make a single player shooter that's 20+ hour long
>call it an RPG

Still better than any weeb trash with over the top character and weapon design.
Mankind Divided is GOAT but short.

>>376800665
>Mankind Divided is GOAT but short.
It's not even short - if you explore everywhere and do all the quests it takes a long time. It's just the main quest that is short.

>>376799242
Pic unrelated, right anon?

>>376800560
There are too many problems with F4
>Where are the big branching side quests?
>Where are the slavers quests?
>Marauders maybe?
>Where are the bitches?
>Where are the good waifus?
Muh slave robots, fuck that shit.

>>376800583
human revolution 3.4mil
Mankind divided 1mil
Me3 6mil
MeA 1.3mil
Fallout3 10mil
Fallout4 13mil

>>376800583
>>376800878
Just FO4 actually sold well. MEA and MD were commercial failures.

>>376800583
Because the mainstream audience eats any shit they serve at them as long as the title is the same.

>>376800482
I see you're roleplaying as an autistic faggot today.

>>376800878
Wait for the next Fallout, I doubt it will sell that good after 4.

>>376800782
>IT'S NOT SHORT IF YOU DO BORING POINTLESS SHIT TOO!

CDPR are the saviors of WRPGs. all other studios have abandoned us

>>376801053
Probably just because of how things are going more and more towards online services/f2p + microtransactions and pvp games.
Bethesda probably has to change engines and they lose moddability.

>>376800946
just like weebshits will buy anything and their cosmetic dlcs as long as it features anime artstyle, waifu shit, dating sim mechanics and awful story/gameplay

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>>376799242
out of my way son

>>376801053
Beth keeps releasing shit and it somehow always sells.

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>>376801092
The Witcher is not an WRPG as I mentioned in the op.

>>376801176
None of that makes the game objectively worse, it's just stuff you happen to don't like

>>376801528
i'm pretty sure by vidya standards poland counts as west even though they're slavs. west as in europe

>>376801542
it's stuff autistic and retarded animu fanboy manchildren enjoy
I don't identify with that shit, unlike you weebshit

>>376801440
Doesnt that have denuvo?

>>376801061
The side content is unanimously seen as being the best part of MD though.

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>>376801654
So it's the entire western and eastern hemisphere against one country and they still can't compete?

LOL

>>376802256
haven't played a single one of those games. or any game from japan in general. japanese games are for infantiles even more than western games

>>376801659
>he thinks that throwing tantrums will magically make his western games become better

>>376801662
We don't know. And what if it has? It only affects poorfags.

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>>376802256
>half of those are rehashes that are as soulless as Fallout 4
>other half have piss poor game play that's very generic even for western standards
>thinks any of that is better than western shit

I loved Automata, BotW and Nioh but that shit is flawed as fuck. Short of emotional manipulations (what weebs are notorious for judging shit on) all those games hit between mediocre to average.

>>376802256
isn't ghost recon wildlands made by europeans?

Action RPG's killed RPG's.

RPG's and Action Games don't exist anymore, there is only ARPG's.

>>376802743
Are there any downsides to denuvo on the buyer? I'm not sure how it even works so I don't know if it does anything controversial.

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>>376802256
>Resident evil 7
>Rush 2
>ToB

Trying way to hard there shitposter.

>>376802945
I bought Deus Ex MD and Warhammer TW. You can't even tell Denuvo exists. No registration, key, login, anything; If you don't read about it online, you won't even know it's there. I doubt it's different for other games.

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>>376799242
Leave saving the WRPGs to me!

>>376803063
so then all this "boycotting" is likely just kids who weren't legally buying it anyway?

>>376799242
because you have decided you don't like both AAA games AND indie games, so guess what there's nothing left

>>376799845
>isometric
>trash
Neck yourself.

>>376803560
id rather they die

>>376803585
I would never buy a denuvo title even if it was 90% sale on steam.

>>376803761
yeah but why? If it's as non intrusive as stated what's the issue?

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Western RPGs have fallen for the diversity meme. All "developers" are 20 year old women spending budget on making sure that their political views are forced into the games. Any idea of difficulty or in depth mechanics are heavily punished for a more "Stream line" experience.

It's time to abandon Western games and focus on Japanese games who are actually making good shit at the moment.

>>376799298
>that lipstick

>>376803585
Most likely, yeah.

>>376803063
>try to play offline
>can't

>>376804014
actually you can.

>>376799242
All of them were released too soon.

>>376803884
I dont support the idea of it.
I want a future where likes of CDPR are winning.

>>376803915
name one game other than mass effect that does this you wont

>>376804127
Then Pirates would have be go. There existence denies that.

>>376804278
2015 Witcher3 + Fallout4 sold >20mil copies without denuvo.
The existance of pirates hasnt stopped the gaming industry from growing and we've seen many sequels to succesfull franchises that introduced both denuvo and worst sales figures the IP ever had.

Playing games has become a normal medium nowadays, so most of the market is focusing on that.

>>376799242
When will you guys stop pretending Mankind Divided wasn't a great game?

>>376801061
Oddly enough, not all sidequests are ME:A and DA:I tier.

>>376804127
Oh so you're just looking for an excuse. It's funny you bring up CDPR though, given that they had DRM on all three of their games at launch. So you're saying you don't support DRM but you want the guys who always use DRM to win.

>>376804438
>2015 Witcher3 + Fallout4 sold >20mil copies without denuvo.
Right but that's established IPs with a large following. Consider Neir Automata that was projected to make about 500K and made 1 million on Steam sales alone, it had Denuvo and is one of the many cases where sales were better and as such becomes the excuse why it works and needs to be used. Also Fallout 4 was the #1 pirate game of 2015. Far Cry 4
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim keep records of all time highs fighting between the #1 spot.
That's why I say pirates would have be go. The existence of them always creates a narrative that they hurt sales and as long as those big AAA titles are in the #1 spot for most pirated they will never think otherwise. The world you want to exists demands the children and poorfags to stop pirating.

>>376804789
he wants guys that use easy to break DRM to win.

>>376801440
FUCKING WHEN

>>376804837
Nier automata had 2butt go viral. Its not really an example of anything relevant other than "its good to have your game get viral marketing".
And everything else you said is pretty nonsensical.
Something about narrative.

>>376804916
So piracy is his actual goal, not being against the idea of DRM.

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>>376805089
>Nier automata had 2butt go viral. Its not really an example of anything relevant other than "its good to have your game get viral marketing".
see that's your narrative, but what's your proof? the thousand some /v/ reddit posters that talk about it? More importantly your argument actually enhances my point because one could say viral marketing+Denuvo = double sales projections.

>And everything else you said is pretty nonsensical.
Not at all it's pretty black and white, pirates are by majority kids and poorfags, they top out pirating AAA titles the most and when that happens the market freaks out(most developers because publishers don't give a shit) fearing that lost sales have happen, this has lead to the slow but sure processes of better and better DRM because they see pirates as entitled brats "stealing" their handwork. Thus deals can be made where publishers can convince developers to do things their way and they will help them get good DRM protection on there work. It's how MS, Activsion and EA work. As long as those kids and poorfags pirate your world cannot exist.

>>376805208
IF that's his stance that just makes this all the more depressing for him.

>>376799242
ehhh, deux ex isn't really an RPG, it's a shooter with RPG elements
fallout 4 isn't an RPG too

>>376801502
5 years distance between games is enough for people to forget how shitty last title was.

>>376805561
Where's YOUR proof? There's no evidence that Denuvo increased sales.

>>376805863
If I'm a marketer trying to sell my DRM to a scared head developer I don't need it. I just need the data showing "look at how pirated F4 was, look at how many people "stole" a copy of W3, now look at how much better sales went with these Ultra DRM protected products, don't you want your game you have work so hard on to be protected from pirates?"

That's all it takes, pirates enable their sales pitch. As long as poor broken fags and kiddies pirate thins will only get worse not better.

>>376804268
Fallout 4
Deus Ex Mankind Divided
Horizon

>>376799242
Mankind Divided was great.

>>376806367
Well you didnt connect pirated copies with increased sales, you have no data showing how much better sales went with ultra drm and developers in general arent expecting poor people and kiddies to buy games with money they dont have.

>>376799434
Man the sidequests were really fucking good. I fell in love with the game when I realised that the quest descriptions were detailed and actually gave you directions. Playing the game without objectives markers or the mini map with the dynamic HUD was GOD-TIER.

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>>376804837
>and made 1 million on Steam sales alone

No it fucking never you bullshitting piece of shit. It only got that with PS4+pc.

Why do people on this board love to lie for pointless arguments

>>376806567
>Well you didnt connect pirated copies with increased sales
actually I already did, from a marketing standpoint
>>376805561
Nier Automata was projected for 500k, it had Denuvo and it reach 1 million on just the PC market. As a marketer I don't need more "proof" then that. Same with getting shareholders to let me destroy games and game developers "well game X was pirated to hell and back so we should continue that venture, let's shut them down" "well yeah major game AAA didn't make good sales it was #1 pirated week of launch, you need to give us better protection, now excuse us as we make awful shit #2"

Pirates are the easiest scapegoat for any publisher that has a good marketing department, your existence of being poor and/or a child willing to pirate ensures the market goes to be what publishers and developers want rather than what buyers want.

>>376806872
free (You)s kids. I'm mean you knew it was bullshit and yet you both replied to me (giving me attention) and bump the thread. Hell every answer given keeps a thread alive. Why the fuck do you think shitposting is such an issue here? You want it to stop? Stop replying to it and start talking about shit you want to talk about.

>>376806881
>game 1 had denuvo with massive viral marketing effort sells well
>game 2 with denuvo without viral marketing sells poorly
>game 3 with denuvo without viral marketing sells poorly
>game 4 with denuvo without viral marketing sells medioce
Whats the conclusion here?

>>376807012
How many games can say that? Denuvo is rather new in terms of DRM. We don't have many that would stand that argument.

>>376800487

>mass effect series
>ads shooters

way to show you never played them ever. They're TPS you tardbabby.

>>376799242
Lol,
I'm enjoying watching the decline.
CRPGs are especially cancerous and thankfully it takes a Kickstarter to make that happen.

>Deus Ex.
Fails for piss poor characters and the one bossfight.

>Fallout 4.
Shit RPG but a good shooter. It fails as a Fallout game because it moves away from the core RPG that the games were ad opts for a shooter with RPG elements and a Fallout coat of paint. If it wasn't Fallout it would've been a good game.

>Andromeda.
I'll say this, the Kett are cool enemies and the ending sequence of the game is actually really fucking good. The rest of the game is literally DA:I that looks like Mass Effect, the gunplay is crap and locking you to three powers really fucks with your overall ability to handle incoming enemies.
Everything outside of the Kett feels like a rehash of the previous games but done worse. You still have the trifecta of robot enemies, humanoid enemies (Outcasts count despite beng a mish-mash of species) and the ones in between that were manufactured or turned.

>>376806881
>Nier Automata was projected for 500k, it had Denuvo and it reach 1 million on just the PC market.

>>376807067
Recently EA shut down Mass effect series, SE shut down Hitman and Deus Ex. Denuvo didnt help those 3 massive franchises.

>>376800975
>I see you're roleplaying as an autistic faggot today.
at least he is only roleplaying it, unlike you

>>376807228
none of those are the example given in >>376807012

>>376807415
see >>376800878
2 out of 6 games had denuvo, can you guess which ones.

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>>376800031
But it was butchered. Heavily. Don't pretend it wasn't just to validate your $60.
You get to the 1st boss in the game and think "Hell yeah, finally a boss!", kill him and then the credits roll. You sit there thinking "What? That's it?" because no one would expect the game to only have a single boss, and someone who was basically completely irrelevant and not even close to being the big bad at that.
If you somehow walked away from MD's ending and thought "Oh yeah, what a fulfilling game experience" then I don't know what to tell you. That shit was an insult to anyone who liked DX1 or HR.

For comparison I have 45h in HR, 26h in HR:DC and 5h in HR:ML.
MD isn't even worth a replay.

>>376807480
Are you able to read the green text given?
>game 1 had denuvo
>game 2 with denuvo
>game 3 with denuvo
>game 4 with denuvo

See a pattern here? Anon's talking about in a series not an isolated cause.

>>376807597
Yes.

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>>376801440
>turks
>western

>>376802256
Lmao

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>>376807685
STOP BULLYING ANZUU

Disregard this, I suck dicks.
>>376807849-sama

>>376802945
Denuvo allows no mods that change .exe, so basically you are stuck with DLCs for any additional content beyond horse armor. It is also a performance hog due to using obfuscation.

>>376800031
>content for atleast 20+ hours

IN A FUCKING RPG, DUMBASS.

20 hours is good if you're talking about some fps or a fucking racing game.

Anything under 50 hours for an RPG is absolute garbage.

>>376807981
Literally what mods every changed an .exe

>>376803063
Bullshit, DXMD lagged like hell even on minimal settings.

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>>376800026
>having real time combat makes your RPG a hack and slash
jajaja dios mio

>>376800058
>>376800127
Lad, the other guys didn't have the heart to tell you but your creation here looks like dogshit.

>>376808043
Rise of the Reds, Mental Omega, Brutal Doom, Ballistic Weapons, SAMP and numerous other famous mods relied on their own executable files (modified versions of the original) or launchers that altered the properties of original .exe
You are simply unable to make something the size of Project Reality work in new Battlefields because of their retarded web-based server browser and obtrusive DRM.

>>376808262
>>376800026

Jesus fuck, Action-RPG genre existed since Diablo. Eat shit and die.

>>376803915
Only Bioware and Obsidian fall into this category.
One has gone all in on the pandering and the other is stuck in the early 90s.

Most pay just enough lip service to stay off any shit lists.

>>376799242
>What went SO VERY WRONG for the dead Wrpg genre?
It's RPGs period you chucklefuck. Not just western. Or what? do you sincerely think Persona was a good-enoug series that never saw the success it deserved because of Muh Final Fantasy? no, it's because it's the only legit good JRPG that remains.

And to humor your image:

>Deus Ex
Obviously cut in half, otherwise good

>Fallout 4
More like Fallout theme park. It's not a world, it's bumper cars in the apocalipse

>Andromeda
Nu-males who never made a game handed the franchise to kill it.

>>376804837
>Right but that's established IPs with a large following.

The Witcher series was a never a established IP with a large following, it only hit the mainstream with TW3.

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>>376808314
i think she is beautiful

>>376809651
You could say witcher3 would never have had a large following if it used denuvo.

>>376810883
Or you could say Witcher 3 would have twice as large a following if it had used Denuvo. Or that it would be exactly the same. It's not like prove it either way.