Did you get scammed /v/? http://nichegamer.com/2017/05/12/s

>postponed indefinitely

epic.

But it's ok when the guy behind Dwarf Fortress says v1 won't be ready for 30 years.

>>376736538
Dwarf Fortress doesn't have people pissing an unlimited stream of money on them

>>376736776
Is this a joke? He;s lived off of donated development money for a decade.

>>376736538
Dwarf Fortress is a free game that lives off of donations.
It's not even remotely fucking comparable to Star Citizen.

Thank god I only paid $30 compared to the ones who have spent thousands on imaginary ships for an imaginary game.

>>376736881
Yeah. Donations.
Kickstarter doesn't work based on donations. It works on funding. You're expected to get a finished product in return.

I wonder if all these people getting scammed by literal idea guys will breed a culture that mocks and humiliates them.

>>376736881
He also has a playable product.

>>376736905
How? People are donating money to the Star Citizen devs for a game they will get for free, similar to how people are donating money to the Dwarf Fortress dev for a game they will get for free.

>>376736981
A kickstarter is a donation to get something funded.

>>376737034
Star Citizen has an alpha download available.

>>376737042
Not that poster, star citizen is not going to be free. If you didn't fund in for a package you have to buy it.

i only paid $20 when they were having a sale so i'm not that bummed

>>376736332
3.0 comes out end of june with the start of updates for the first solar system, trading, piracy, mining, etc.

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>>376736332
>My face when I didn't fall for the Star Citizen meme

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>>376737347
>mfw you can always tell who backed start citizen in these threads given the amount of damage control they do

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>>376737347

>>376736538
>>376737131
So how much did you pledge to star shitizen retard

>>376736881
yeah, a single NEET living in a filthy apartment (he blogged about finding fucking shelf fungus growing behind his couch) off of the meager donations of some autists

>>376736538
Dwarf Fortress is playable fore the masses and already feels like a complete game
Star Citizen is in closed beta and is still a buggy mess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7DKHu6ByR8

>>376736538
Dorf Fort is free

>>376736538
He also didn't sell you parts of the game promising you that you will get them at some point if you just keep paying.

if you donate to toady, you're just donating, and the game in its current state is still very fun.

>>376737614
20$ back in 2012, it's been worth it i'd say

>>376737034
So does Star Citizen.

Keep in mind, I know next to nothing about Dwarf Fortress, or Star Citizen for that matter, but I know that.

>>376737819
Star Citizen has some beta modes playable but nothing resembling the actual game it was supposed to be.

>>376737618
Randy Pitchford's bathroom is disgusting, doesn't change the fact he's a multi-millionaire.

>>376737669
>buggy mess
You said playable, and it is playable. Stop moving the goalposts.

>>376737742
The people who donated get a free copy.

>>376737746
Are you referring to the ship DLC?

So, the big question: is what's currently available worth $45?

>>376736332
how!

how the FUCK did they do this?
i mean, shit, i want 150 mil for promises!

>>376737983
It's not playable for most people. It's a small hand selected amount of people who have to dish out money to play every once in a blue moon.

>>376737034
>Dwarf Fortress
>playable product
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>376737983
>The people who donated get a free copy.
Do... Do you know how money works?

>>376738049
it isn't even a game. It's basically a demo

>>376738131
It's the same kind of person who defends PS4 because free games with your sub

>>376738060
Wait, so you mean only the people who donated to get the game get to play the game? Wow, you really opened up my eyes.

>>376738113
Underage noob spoted.

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>>376736332
I mean, everyone knew this would happen, dunno if I should be surprised.

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>People defending the most glorious and embarrassing trainwreck in recent memory

chris roberts deserves to be hanged

>>376738131
He's defending the scam artist who he gave money to. Logical and common sense have escaped him entirely as he desperately tries to argue that he hasn't made a terrible decision.

>>376736881
The creator of DF said that it won't ever be "finished" and that he does it as a hobby. Star Citizen has been marketed as a full title that will have a complete launch someday. Apples and oranges.

I really hope this results in a class action suit that destroys chris roberts and the kickstarter meme in general

>>376738912
Honestly with how many kickstarter projects have been scams, a lawsuit would have happened by now if it was going to. It's a shame, I backed a couple of small little projects back in the day before kickstarter turned to crap and they turned out really well.

>>376738912
>people get scammed by chris roberts
>sue him
>he uses the money he scammed off of them to get the best lawyers available and walks away a free and rich man

I wonder if a few years down the line we'll get a movie about chris roberts' incredible story

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>>376738860
>will have a complete launch someday

>>376736332
This had scam written all over it, but I'm not going to laugh at the people who invested into this. My heart goes out to them instead.

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>>376737347
It's a pretty good feeling.

>>376737042
At least they have a playable build with DF. Now Star Citizen can't say the same faggot.

Wow pc....gamers...are truly....brilliant

>>376736981
>You're expected to get a finished product in return.
Here's a potato.

>150 mill funding
>Enough to cough up a fucking AAA game

Jesus fuck, people are gullible retards aren't they?

>>376736332
>people talk like star citizen likes its infinite money

>budget: Tangled - $260,000,000

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>yfw Derek Smart was the good guy

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>>376737347

>>376741926
I wanted to talk about celebrity VA, ads and shit, then I remembered SC has Gary fucking Oldman.

>>376736332
nope

>>376741926
How much have you i̶n̶v̶e̶s̶t̶e̶d̶ donated in tangled?

>>376736538
its freeware you idiot

>>376738378

He deserves a fucking medal for being good enough to scam these dumbfucks with a resume like he has. He completed one decent game like 20 years ago and then canceled a ton of projects until he got kicked out of the industry, and people still gave him 150 million dollars.

>>376742040
that really nailed it, its just people donating.. and the idiots are the people that are pledging, developers should be praised for being able to fool cucks so easily

>>376736538
>I'll just be moving the goal posts so discussion focuses on DF and not the fact that I got sucker into funding Star Citizen

B u y M o ? r S h i p s

>>376737347
Posts like this should be an autoban.

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>>376737347
>mfw I didn't fall for the Scam Citizen Meme, and it's Christmas season

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Capitalism at its finest: moving money from idiots to those who know better what to do with them, without former even realising it.

>>376742741
So, how deep are you in?

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>>376737347
>never pledge
>just buy the good ones after release
>let plebs waste money on bad ones

everytime

>>376738113
t. brainlet

>>376736332
Just say all the criticism is from Derek Smart and continue circlejerking on the forums.

>>376742867
They'll learn or die.
Socialism would artificially keep them alive.

Why do overfunded kickstarters always overspend right off the bat?

Why not just finish the base product as promised, finish the backer rewards, and then spend whatever remaining amount on expanding your game?

>>376742895
I have never put any money in Kickstarter and I didn't know this game existed before the media coverage about it being a scam. Regardless, posts that are blatantly baiting reaction image spam should be banned. It's hardly any different than posting MLP crops to bait Lee.

>>376742895
Probably bought the ship that costs over $10,000.

>>376743047
I genuinly think strech goals killed certain kickstarters, they just start from day 1 bolting on shit to get more donations and just throw in shit in the end that looks as cool as possible with little thought on how and why to implement it

>>376743047
If they had that kind of management sense they'd be a corporation and not beggars.

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>>376743047
Because the goal is not making a game, you autistic manchild. No one give a shit about games -- it's just another way to retrieve money from beta cucks who refuse to consume other media.

t. people who only read the clickbait title and didn't read the "journalistic" article that merely states it is actively developing and without a release date.

>>376743250
Do they continue getting lots of crowdfunded cash even now, years later? If so, that would certainly explain why it's taking so long.

This thread contains a person who tried to justify star citizen jewery by saying THE MIGHTY DORF FORT did "the same thing"

HOW BOUT THAT

Feels good to not have to back crowdfunded games, because there's a legion of idiots who will do it for me. I just buy the game if it ends up good.

>>376743147
Stretch goals are basically the site building in feature creep. How it's meant to work is the initial goal being the most stripped-back, barebones version of a thing possible with the stretch goals building it out. What it ends up being is the complete product on the first goal and just extra shit on the end.

>>376742378
To be fair I'd rather discuss Dorf Fort than scam citizen too.

>>376744174
I don't have the required autism to play it, but I really enjoy DF stories a lot.

>>376743889
yeah it gets absurd towards the end when they promise something insane, like there is a first person online shooter..

like i want my space game

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>>376736332
>you will never scam $150 million out of people, brag about it, get away with it, AND have the people you scammed out of money defend you for it

>>376743125
If you haven't ever heard of SC you need to go back wherever you came from faggot

>>376744678
Hope there is karma for this fuckery

>>376744994
Karma is happening right now, but only for the idiots who funded it.

>150 million

Fucking Germans and Furries, no wonder they're getting overtaken by kebabs.

>>376737462
>it's okay to spew inane lies
>it's shilling when you call them out

I wish I was as retarded as that so I could use strawman bullshit too.

>>376736332
So how long until some angry autist who downed his life savings stabs Chris Roberts in the throat?

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>>376737347
At least people on /v/ aren't stupid enough to waste money on kickstarter and other crowfunded garbage game... r-right ?

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>>376736332

He's gonna sell out to Microsoft again!

You retard's didn't learn from Freelancer.

NO REFUNDS, enjoy your concept art.

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>ywn be a star citizen fag
feels fucking good man. Imagine being so excited for this game, and following its development for like 10 fucking years before its completely finished. Jesus fucking christ

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHUbzzKJXBc

Still rings true a year later. Why didn't you listen?

>>376747191
>>376747713
Fucking Mandalore.

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>>376747384
>10 fucking years before its completely finished
>SC ever being a finished product

>>376747945
I'm confident that they have enough money that they will put out a finished product in some form or another. Whether or not it'll have everything they say it will is a different matter

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>>376737347

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>>376747191
>people on /v/ being reasonable

>>376748056
This. They are too far in development to pull out by this point. Worst case scenario they just take whatever they have done right now and push it out saying "here it is."
It'll get done. The real question is the quality and content when it is done, and how long people are willing to wait for it.

AHHHH HAHAHA

How could anyone have expected this massive, open work universe to work without quantum computers

Roberts was literally promising a galaxy simulator

i think i paid like $20 just to get the game back when it first started

how long ago was that

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>>376736332

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>Spend $120 on game two years ago
>Last time I played was in Nov.

When I "bought" starcitizen I did it with the thought in my mind that I shouldn't expect a full game until 2020. In all, I've spent about 60hrs into the game over two years time. Do I regret it? No, game is still coming just really, really slowly which I already knew and accepted back then.

When do I think it'll be filled with more robust features and be what they advertised? In 2020, just like I predicted. I regret nothing cause Starcitizen really is trying to fill the promises and then some. If you have been playing the game from time to time, you'd see this too. It's not like they took the money then went silent.

I know /v/ loves their shit storms and looking for faults in the minor things but you people just have to accept that Starcitizen isn't a scam. You pay what you want, it's yours forever, play when you want how you want. It's just like any other game.

>>376750879
Advanced Autism

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>>376750879
>paying for a game that isn't finished
that's a scam, anon

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>Deep down know Star Citizen will fail like all crown funded games do.
>Friend wont stop bugging me to get it
>Finally agree to buy a gray market AMD ship
>MFW correct yet again

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>>376751134

I have bought worse games that I also enjoyed. I have bought games that were just as buggy and none functioning. If you hate VIDEO GAMES and can't enjoy anything that isn't AAA drivel, then you won't even be around here in another two years. My parents spent $75 in 1998 to buy me Forsaken, which was shitty in a lot of aspects, which would be easily over $120 in today's currency.

How old are you? I'm betting easily ten years younger than me.

people think if they keep throwing money at shit its like putting gas in your car. if somebody is incompetent and cant manage properly then the project is doomed.

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>>376751395
I like games that are actually finished. It's called spending your money wisely. If you like throwing your money into a bottomless pit then by all means do so.

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>>376737347
Oh I've been close to falling for it, but I've resisted the urge every time.

When 1.0 actually gets released, I'll consider buying it. Until then, I'll pass.

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>>376737347

>>376736981
Actually, Kickstarter is just a system of glorified donations. It's not like you're receiving dividends or have a stake in the product. It's all a scam. A scam that people dumped 150 million dollars into.

>postponed indefinitely

There's no way anybody can defend this now

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>mfw I learned they are offering fucking monthly subscription based backing

Who the fuck is dumb enough to fall for this shit?

>>376752385
Fucking this.

If Roberts was actually competent, he could have just gone to an ACTUAL investor or venture capitalist and gotten all the money he needed.

While getting money from a bunch of kikes isn't exactly something to brag about, the fact that actual professional investors do not trust him with their money should set off some serious red flags.

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>>376737347

I'm 100% there will be a 1.0 version at some point, that version resembling what was promised it's something that i'm not sure however,

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When was the last time something was hyped to the moon and beyond and actually delivered?

>>376753085
cod 4

I like how >>376737462 got instantly proven by >>376745662

What's it like to be cucked anon?

>>376736332
>If this fails it will mean Derek Smart was right
Well it was bound to happen eventually.

>>376736538
Dwarf Fortress is playable and has all its main gameplay mechanics, it also didn't cost 150 million

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>>376737347
I fell hard for the Bloodstained meme though

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>>376743125
> being this much of a bad underage liar

I bet you pledged 120 euros with ur faggot sub 18 year old newfag friends

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How in the fuck is this even possible? That's way more than most AAAs, for a fucking space sim which has been a dead genre for 20 years and even then was fairly niche.

>>376736332
I've put a few hundred hours in and am happy so far, so no?

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>>376736332
Yeah, but it was only $30 and so many years ago now that I really can't bring myself to care. On the upside when it falls through the butthurt of those faggots who dumped thousands into it will be fantastic.

>>376736332
WHY do people keep falling for these scams? What do we need to do to educate these naive fools?

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>>376737462
Worst offenders are the ones who try to sell it as a complete game in its current form

"hurr durr, wow took 8 years" Support the cause it will be a good game i promise, just ignore that they have showed 0 potential to create what they claim"

>>376754463
Star Citizen is their dream of a perfect game

It is hope. If you educated them, you'd shatter their dreams and take away their hope. If the game ever comes out, it will by shit and shatter their dreams. What they really want is to keep dreaming.

>>376736332
this is insane. this has been in development for like 6 years now.
this is at the brink of turning into a shitshow a la Duke Nukem Forever.
good things take time, but there is a point where it starts to cause the opposite.
I'm glad I didn't go full retard back then and gave them my money.
If there is anything Scamstarters have taught me, It's NEVER EVER give people money in advance.

>>376736332
>Star Citizen

more like Scam Citizen

>>376757261
hehe xd

>>376739107
>>376738912

Lawsuit can't touch kickstarter itself, they're just the middlemen. They haven't promised anything and haven't caused any damages, they've only provided a marketplace where your own dumb ass got scammed. Hell, it can't even touch the people who are begging for money on it--most have an agreement you sign when donating that is in dense legalese that you understand this is just a donation and if the product is never completed, you don't get shit.

This shouldn't be any more illegal than any other scams like MLM or psychics. A fool and his money are soon parted.

And hell, maybe a good game that the games industry refuses to shell out for will eventually come of it.

>>376736332
>pc cucks self funds a game
>still not finish
Woah... this is the power of the masterrace...

>>376758308
>implying all PC players funded the game
the only kickstarters i've backed were for Divinity OS and OS2.

>>376758103
There's actually a case of some Kikestarter boardgame fading into thin air and the dude responsible getting slammed with a $110k judgement.

>>376758453
But how the hell did it generate so much money? Unless you're going to tell me that it was a few fools who donated thousands instead of a lot of people donating 50 each.

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>>376737462
Same with the VR headset threads. Feels good to save money.

Derek was right

We should have listened!

>>376736332
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>376759378
Even a broken clock is right twice a day

>>376738113
(you)

>>376759074
>it was a few fools who donated thousands
Anon there are people who buy 15K ships even though they don't even exist yet

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>>376758453
Not all but alot did

>>376743602
This world has some oddballs that's for sure.

>>376760036

The failing Chris Roberts will soon be up to his neck, which isn't very high by the way, in lawsuits by month's end. Sad!

>>376759074
IF everyone put 45$ into buying the game, apparently that's alpha buy in price, then around 3-4 million people bought it.
Its a genre that was effectively dead and was not coming back but people still wanted to play a game in the genre.
In comes this dev team that gave people the game they wanted.
Then you got the autists who are like train people but will never even have models to satisfy themselves with, who are willing to dive in 1000-20000$ each, multiple times.

Till they say development is halted, I'm not calling it a scam, its a dream project that has yet to burn through its funding.

>>376752743
literally no one was willing to fund a space sim period, the only reason some have sprung up since SS is because of how much money was thrown at it to tell everyone its not a dead genre.

Chris is screwed. There's no way he's going to win any lawsuit. I remember there being a disclaimer that you could get a refund in 18 months but Chris sneakily removed it. All anyone has to do is show that and he's obligated to give every backer a refund.

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>>376737347

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>>376737347

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>>376737347

>>376737669
We need to talk about what the fuck you call playable. How in the actual fuck is dwarf Fortress a playable game. Look I love that style game I love that kind game it's my dream game but I can't bring myself to learn how to play that piece of shit where the person making it doesn't want to make a fucking ui that is functional. The only way the game is somewhat playable as by people who make third-party graphical user interfaces for the shit and that stuff is buggy as fuck at best. And you're right I didn't grow up with ASCII, but a time I was playing games the first Nintendo was already out and that was the standard people judged games by. Just imagine what would happen if that guy actually paid an artist to make something that looks like Final Fantasy tactics advance. Someone did a mockup, that game would go from nearly unplayable to probably the best game ever made overnight. Fuck off this playable shit dwarf fortress ain't playable unless you have some form of autism and are willing to dedicate half your life to learn it, and at that point I would get more gratification learning how to model things in 3-D or possibly even making my own game than trying to work around that.

>>376760704
Old refund policy
>you agree that any unearned portion of your Pledge shall not be refundable until and unless RSI has failed to deliver the relevant pledge items and/or the Game to you within eighteen (18) months after the estimated delivery date.
New refund policy
>you agree that any unearned portion of your Pledge shall not be refundable until and unless RSI has ceased development and failed to deliver the relevant pledge items and/or the Game to you.

Can Chris get in trouble for this?

>>376738236
Let's not kid ourselves here, when you're paying for the subscription is to go online you're paying them to be able to play multiplayer. Anything they do beyond the fact is an added bonus. Let's look at it this way if they stop giving you free games would that stop the subscription? For most people it wouldn't even be their main reason for subscribing. How the only games that they give out are ones that are already past their prime and aren't selling many copies anymore then giving you a copy is just them adding value to the subscription at next to no cost to themselves.

>>376761114
>UI is bad meme
the only bad thing about it is the military screen. the game is very playable, just because you're used to games where everything is spoonfed to you doesn't mean it's a bad game.

>>376737742
Only a few times worthless

From the posts on this thread it seems quite a few virgins got scammed

For anyone that got scammed read this
http://gameranx.com/updates/id/65926/article/how-to-get-a-refund-in-star-citizen/

>>376761518
Yes I'm used to graphical representations. I'm not even a lie about that, if I want to play game that's from the old rogue -like genres like angband and the like, I need to get some form of a GUI for it because as it stands using ASCII for art, that wasn't a graphical style that was a limitation of the engines, that was a limitation of what you can do at the time. Dwarf fortresses in 2000 fucking 17 and is actively developed yet it lacks any semblance of a GUI. If memory serves there's no mouse control in the game either in a genre that screams "you need most control you fucking idiot"

Dwarf fortresses you sadly one of those games that's been developed by an autist and a genre I fucking love to be able to play but because he can't see past his own fucking autism with making the game it's just unplayable to anybody who doesn't have quite literally no fucking life to be able to play that shit.

As far as I can tell the game has an amazing engine and his amazing backbone to it, but it needs some semblance of a GUI to be functional at all.

>>376761969
Fuck off the game is almost finished. Stop false flagging

>>376762242
You all sound like cultists by now, lashing out at anyone who dares say something bad about your leader.

>>376762024
he said he will work on a cleaner GUI when the game is closer to done. he doesn't want to keep reworking it while he's still adding stuff.

>>376761969
Wow RSI was so fucking stupid that they actually gave Derek Smart his money without his consent

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>>376736992
We already have a culture that does that. Its called normal people. Brain dead morons think are the ones who fund these idea guys

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>>376737347

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>yfw you've never once donated to a kickstarter

>>376762394
Look at that Bootcha guy. He was the biggest Star Citizen fan around and even he got a refund

>>376736332
>To be clear, a release window was originally set for the following year, 2014, only to see the game be delayed as far as 2016.
what kind of a sentence is this?

>to be clear the appointment was originally set for the following time, 3:00pm, only to be delayed untill 5:00pm
how tryhard do you have to be at writing to be a games journalist?

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>>376737347

Reminder that Chris Roberts calls his customers High Maintenance, Goons, and Snowflakes

>>376744678
Sounds just like scientology

>>376763195
his customers are literally goons which makes them de facto high maintenance snowflakes.

>>376761969
>>376763195
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXD7JKT6bcE
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>376743125
>I didn't know this game existed before the media coverage about it being a scam

the media was about 4 years behind /v/ calling it a scam so why don't you go back to posting in gamespot comments friendo.

>>376762439
You can take that as he's being truthful, I see that as he's being a sarcastic cunt considering he said that the game won't be done for decades.

Look I'm not even asking for miracles here, I'm not asking for a perfect you are. However I know damn well most control wasn't too hard to implement buttons aren't too hard to implement a scrolling menu isn't too hard to implement and then adding them all together gives you a very functional game, opposed to the craptacular state affairs that it's in

Can someone post the screenshot with the furries making suggestions for the character creator?

>>376764587
Minus the military screen, i have no qualms about the UI. We just have different thresholds for tolerance i guess.

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>>376736332
kek

>>376751395
Why do you buy shitty products? That doesn't make you better than anyone that just makes you stupid.

>>376757261
Clever

>>376760172
I didn't know the president posted on 4chan. Welcome, good sir!

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>>376737347

>>376761418
Not if he told everyone he updated it and everyone reagreed to it

>scammed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDymlmaynbs

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>>376767992

>>376736332
I completely missed how this started and only found out about this after seeing people call it a scam in the past year

Still have no idea what this is or was supposed to be about

>>376764587
you talk like a fag
and your shits all retarded

>>376767904
>turkroach speak
So that's where all the money is coming, explains a lot.

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>>376767992
Came out pretty good on clover

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>>376741926
Wasn't a good portion of Tangled's budget a result of scrapping and redoing everything mid-project? Their studio was in the middle of phasing at out 2D at the time I think too.

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>>376737347

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>>376737347
>mfw never backed anything and just pirate whatever game actually does get finished

>>376772417
me too /b/rother, /b/rofist!

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>>376772417
>mfw backed divinity OS and it was worth it

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>>376772482
Oh no. I'm suddenly feeling guilt and regret over not paying. If only I can go back and time to pay the money that they deserve to get. Oh well, now I have to continue living with the thought of how much I enjoyed those games without paying a dime.

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>>376737347
I knew it was a scam from the fucking beginning.

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>>376772743
Simply epic! Epic for the win! Anarchy!

>>376770126
fuck off, phoneposter

>>376736538
Yes but Dwarf Fortress will actually be released in 30 years. Star Citizen won't.

>>376737347
How do you put clothes and sunglasses on a Crocodile?

What "vision" is Star Citizen on right now? 3.0?

>>376773952

>not bringing your stuffed 'gator to the beach

You some kind of pleb, son?

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>>376762940
Same, closest I got was backing La Mulana 2 for that exclusive picture piece.

>>376762242
>the game is almost finished
What coke are you smoking anon

Is the game fun?