So, Alan Wake is going away. What does that mean for a possi

Remedy want to make a proper sequel, but no one will fund it since the first game under performed. It's a shame too. I really liked the first one. American Nightmare was meh, but it was still enjoyable

Who cares?

>>376711180
Still, having the game disappear because of a music licensing deal of all things is kinda fucked.

>>376710982
Going to buy a copy just so I can trade it later
That game will be worth 10+ keys in no time

>disappearing from stores due to expiring music licenses
Shit..... one of the best games on Steam disappearing? Fuck... I might have to stock up several copies for future people on Steam.

Sam Lake already straight up said "Yes" to a sequel in an interview, so it's likely being made now.

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>>376710982

I wonder if its the entire soundtrack that's the problem. If it was one song, I'd think they could relicense it or replace, unless they feel its too important or something.

>>376711869
There's a couple licensed songs in there. 3 Poets of the Fall songs and Space Oddity by David Bowie, from off the top of my head. I'm pretty sure that if it were the Poets of the Fall songs that are the problem, they would relicense them in a heartbeat.

Fucking music licenses. Rockstar try to cuck people by removing songs from the PC versions of GTA via """updates"""

I already have Alan Wake and American Nightmare 100% completed with all the achievements on my 360, but I might re-buy them on Steam since both with the DLC is only like $5?

>>376711980
Bowie died, so the licenses would have changed hands - I can see a greedy family getting all up in there.

>>376711980
Completely forgot about the Bowie song in the credits. That's likely the most expensive song they licensed but it's for the credits. Replace that shit with a cover or some Poets of the Fall song.

>removed from the stores due to expiring music licenses

wew

>>376710982
Alan wake's and alan wake's american nightmare.
which is better?
which is newer?
should i buy both?

>>376712524
The first one is better
American Nightmare is newer but very short
Buy both anyway due to the extremely attractive antagonist in American Nightmare.

>>376712603
I remember replaying Alan Wake years after I finished American Nightmare and completely forgot that Mr. Scratch was introduced at the end of the first game.

I liked the first game, didn't play the dlcs or the expansion.

90% means that it will be 4 dollars for both of them right?

>>376712524

Alan Wake is the better package overall. Although American Nightmare is more replayable.

American Nightmare is like a small expansion that's very arcadey. It plays faster and gives you a lot of weapons to play with while improving on enemy design, which was braindead in the first one.

>>376712786
It's definitely worth it for that price desu

Max Payne discount when

>>376711346
Doesnt work anymore

Steam reworked steamgifts

>>376712524
alan wake was good enough to warrant 100 completion so that

>>376713271
Rockstar owns the rights now, and they're not fans of discounts.

>>376710982
Wait, I already have this on Steam but have yet to install it. Does that mean Steam won't let me download the game in the future?

it's not even worth a dollar

>>376713458
It'll stay in your library and be available for future downloads

>>376713420
>they're not fans of discounts.
Their games go on sale all the time on xbox m8.

I'll just leave this here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M1k1tgq87g

>>376713458
If it's in your library, it's yours to keep. You can download at any time, just not buy.

>>376713458
As long as you have the game in your library it's fine

>>376710982
Why is expiring music license allowed? Its gonna be that fucking david bowie song isnt it

>>376713458
If it's in your library, you can keep it

Reminder that steamgift copies do not exist anymore.
If you buy games that you already own the only option remaining is sending it to a friend.

>>376713661
It's going to be the entire game apparently but yeah, I'm guessing its the Bowie song that's causing the issue. Still doesn't explain why they don't just get rid of it like GTA does through an update. It's only in the credits anyway, why not keep selling the game?

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>>376713564
>>376713584
>>376713678
That's a relief.

>>376713548
It took me years to realize that Poets of the Fall made those songs under the name "Old Gods of Asgard."

>>376713798
Might not be as easy to remove as it was in GTA

either way this shit has to stop, developers should pay a one time fee for using licensed tracks and be done with it, the music industry needs to crash and burn together with these jewish schemes

>>376713979
Lump sum deals are often horrible.

>>376712118

More than likely that's the case. The rights holders are probably asking for a sum comparable to the original fee. Remedy knows that there's no way a five year old game is going to sell enough to make paying the fee worthwhile, so they figure the best move is to just sell it dirt cheap while they still have the chance.

Good move Remedy. 10/10

Why do devs do timed music licenses like this? Is there not some kind of "you can use this song in one product and sell that product as much as you want, for as long as you want" setup they could be going for?

>>376713686
What's wrong with just adding someone to your friend list then trading?

>>376714229
Some bands likely do that. Poets of the Fall, specially since they've worked with Remedy since the Max Payne days likely does something similar.
Bowie's agent on the other hand likely doesn't. Same with bands like Rolling Stones. Why would they do a lifetime deal when they can just keep asking for contract renewals for licensing their music?

>>376714463
can't they just remove said song and replace it whatever else?

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>>376714146
I guess, but I don't think developers should be forced to pay these absurd fees in the first place. I would have never discovered Poets Of The Fall if it wasn't for Max Payne

and Bowie's dead, so who gives a shit RIP

>>376714463
Why ask for contract renewals when they know from previous examples that most devs wont bother and will just remove the song/stop selling altogether? If they're so concerned about having a cash stream, they could just negotiate a .5% royalty of all sales or something.

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>>376714463
Fun Fact: Sam Lake and the lead singer of Poets of the Fall are actually long time bros. Even from before the band was formed. Late Goodbye, the song that really got PotF on the map because of Max Payne 2, was inspired by a poem Sam Lake wrote.

>>376714229
It's not up to them most of the time.

>>376713909
Why?

>>376714790
I'm probably mildly retarded, I guess

>>376714692
Hey, man. Blame Disney. A fuckton of music would go to public domain by now if it wasn't because of them.

>>376714410
You cant store it and jew people with unavailable copies later.

Or make money by buying cheap and selling high later.

>>376714692
Licensing one song for one game for what, five years? It likely cost them a fortune, several millions possibly since it's one of Bowie's most famous song. Imagine what a possible lifetime contract would cost.
What I find weird is why Bowie of all people. And only for the credits.

That game sucked shit so good riddance.

>>376710982
See this shit? This why pirates are good

>Quantum Break didn't have a Poets of the Fall song attached to it

Anyone else have weird reasons for dropping a game?

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>>376715294
It features CIA.

Digital is truly the future.

I WANNA CUM SO BAD

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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>>376715381

WARRIORS

>>376715525
Perfect.

>>376715525
Why does CIA look like a wax figure?

>>376715762
That was Remedy's attempt at making him look younger

>>376715762
I would hotglue that figure.

>>376712000
still better than removing the game entirely
fucking garbage developers willing removing the game instead of patching out the music

>>376715525
This game has such a good story. A shame the port and the marketing was shit. But to this day, everytime I listen to "Africa" I get a bitter feeling in my heart because of this game.

>>376715525
>CIA, I'm CIA.

>>376716602
Uhh, you don't get to bring yourself.

>>376710982
Republish game/patch music out?

>>376712524
>should i buy both?
Buy the first one and play it some before the sale ends.
If you like it, then buy AN.

>music licensing

Copyright Jews are truly the cancer of all industries

>>376716696
WHO PAID YOU TO GRAB ME?

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>not using a Bowie cover instead

>>376711180
nintendo is going to get alan wake now?

>>376710982
Real talk here, I only played the first one and found it boring as fuck, sure some supernatural elements were kinda interesting with the whole thing of what the author wrote is coming to life / gonna happen and shit but it was far FAR outweighed by the atrocious gameplay, I mean seriously all I was doing was running around a fucking forest all the time until some crazy shadow dudes popped up, then you just shine the flashlight and shoot at them, every single time, no variation for hours upon hours, I dunno if it gets any better later nor do I really care, I just dropped the game after some hours

>>376710982
This is fucked up.

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>>376710982
God that is depressing.

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>>376713852
>image search
>google suggests "blonde trap"

what did they mean by this?

>piracy is ba-

Digital is superior to physical, r-right?

>>376710982
At least they announce it.
Fuck 2k for deleting Mafia 1 and never re-releasing it.

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>>376710982
that's pretty sad, such a comfy game

>>376713979
Removing any song from a game is easy as fuck, they're just doing this in a last ditch attempt to make some money off a game nobody wants, if it was still selling they'd just remove the track

>>376711180
American nightmare was meh as a story. But the combat and idea of "change the world enough to trigger what you wrote" is are great. I really wish we got a proper alan wake 2.

>>376720601
I tried finding a key on g2a and kinguin for months. Never ever

>>376711364
You can't do that anymore thanks to G2A and Valve trying to tighten controls there.

>>376720442
Nowadays even physical copies aren't save without completing removing any connection to the internet.
>>376719285
I'm usually against piracy but abandoware and these sort of cases I'm okay with. You're pretty much saving the game from oblivion. Hopefully Remedy has a plan to save Alan Wake and not just erase it from existence.

>>376720601
>wanted to get the first game to get into the series
>when I finally get the chance to purchase it it's already been removed for months

You have no clue how irritated I was over that.

People liked this game? Everything I saw treated it as a joke.

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>Alan Wake is now abandonware

Fuck that's a really depressing thought. It still feels like it only came out yesterday.

Does this mean it won't be playable on Xbox one if you have the physical version?

>>376721174
It's one of those games that pull you in but the execution leaves something to be desired. It has several issues but it's still good. Hopefully a sequel fixes it.
>>376721052
Same thing here. Also wanted to try the original Prey but lo and behold. It's nowhere to be found. This industry needs an institute to save these games from publishers who decide "nah fuck you, no more game for you."

Alan Wake was TRASH. I don't understand how anyone like it.

>>376721542
>This industry needs an institute to save these games from publishers who decide "nah fuck you, no more game for you."
That's why we have piracy. Even Nintendo uses it, most of the NES/SNES games (possibly later consoles too) on the virtual console are literally just emulators they downloaded and then sold.

>>376721542
>wanted to try the original Prey
There are still keys for it on G2A and Kinguin. That's how I got mine.

>>376711385
Project 7 might or might not be it.

>>376721745
Project 7 is supposed to be a new IP, so I doubt it.

>>376721542
>original prey

I was so happy when I entered the cd key from my retail version and it worked.

>>376721651
Piracy is a doubled edge knife. A more official institute could preserve the games, while piracy the best you have is torrent sites and a bit of luck for older games. What if someone just doesn't upload an alan wake copy anywhere? Someone will still have it, but there's not many ways of contacting the entire internet with a request for a copy.

>>376721590
Fuck off m8, if you can't appreciate the comfy I feel bad for you

>>376721403
Well if you can re-download it if you bought it digitally, i guess you can also re-download it if you have it phisically.

>>376710982
oh wow.
Isn't this some bullshit?

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>game has practically zero sales at this point
>realize that one or two song licenses run out soon
>instead of doing the normal thing of just patching those out, completely remove it from the store
>but before that put it on sale and make it very clear in the announcement that the game will be gone afterwards
>now people will buy it just to have it in the future
>also gets people interested in the sequel again

God damn, this is some grade A sales strategy even though it's pretty jewish.
I could definitely see other devs trying to pull of similar shit in the future with older games.

>>376711284

Why not just replace it with generic music?

>>376721024
You need to be for piracy period. It's innovation that was something praised of the internet because the internet could share endless information. But oh no when people didn't with current information it became a no no. Copyright use to be 14 years.

>>376710982
does this mean if i sell my steam account it'll be worth more because of the rare games I have that are gone?

>>376722451
No idea. Remedy will hopefully give more details.

>>376710982
I was playing American Nightmare yesterday
This shit's is ridiculous, at least we'll always have pirates

>>376711284

What?

>>376711180
I can't blame any potential investors considering the first game was in development hell for years and basically switched genres half way through.

Not very reliable.

>own it on GOG already
>not on sale on GOG

sucks that the DRM free version isn't on sale but at least people will snatch it up somewhere if they don't already own it

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>>376722451

>>376722638
Check their twitter. They're saying they're removing because of licensing issues with the music which apparently just removing it would be too big an overhaul for them.
Which makes me wonder how this game is coded if removing a song could fuck the entire game up.

>>376722761
Translation: We just don't really give enough shits to actually work on this.

>>376722825
poorly

>>376710982
why don't they just cut out the music, that's what rockstar did with the old gta rereleases.

>>376722761
>bitching about a 90% off sale
whereas you cucks would be bitching about the CENSORSHIP when content is removed.

>expiring music liscences

Thanks jews

Copyright is the enemy of art and humanity.

>>376722016
Video games are like Vegas. They sell the game for a few years and then they move on. They don't want you playing old games because you won't buy there new games. Again this is why we have piracy and emulation.

>>376711284
GTA3 had this problem.

>>376723062
And literally gets changed every twenty years because Disney keeps bribing them with millions of dollars because Mickey Mouse' license would have otherwise ran out decades ago.

>why don't they just remove the music

Alan Wake uses videos for its cutscenes and credits. Music is encoded with the sound effects and voice work.

Unless they still have the original video/audio files to re-render with, it would be impossible to remove.

That's just my guess anyways. Companies should keep backups of this stuff but shit happens and files get deleted/backups get lost.

>>376722761
Shit, what do they mean by this? Could they be talking about the Poets of the Fall tracks?

>>376723408
iirc Remedy has a massive warehouse of everything from their old games, including the original computers they were built on and of course the files, that isn't the issue

>>376723257
The copyright law should go back to what it was, having Mickey be the exception to the rule. It's not like Disney will go away any time soon. A couple more years and the copyright law will be applicable for fucking centuries.
THE MOUSE MUST FEAST

>>376721542
Nigga, it´s 2,99 on Kinguin.
And every retail key activates the Steam version as well. Go for it!

>Will you bring Alan Wake back to stores?
We are looking into relicensing the music for Alan Wake, but have no timeframe for this.

>What happens to Alan Wake’s American Nightmare / Will other Alan Wake SKU’s also disappear?
Alan Wake’s American Nightmare will remain in stores. Remedy negotiated the music licensing for Alan Wake’s American Nightmare, we did not negotiate the licensing for Alan Wake’s licensed music

So, they fucked up the negotiations

>>376723408
I could see that be the explanation for why it would be a bigger overhaul than normal. Still, they've made the game, it's weird they're willing to see it go. I'm sure they've spent the last few months in panic mode to try and find a solution but still.
>>376723505
Really? Sounds like a cool place to see.

>>376723734
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1HmgMDW6AA&ab_channel=GameInformer

>>376723789
he looks like a literal bootleg of Sam Lake

what the fuck finns

>>376723257
copyright law was never made with digital distribution in mind, everything is fucked now that you can just endlessly sell something forever so it never goes public domain.

>>376723789
That is fucking cool. If my projects for starting my own company come true, I'm going to try something similar.

>>376723704
You walk away from bad deals

>>376719123
HER name is clefchan senpai

>>376724032
>a wiser man would have backed out a million miles ago, no one ever accused me of being wise. The entire affair was rotten, I could feel it soaked into my bones like the rain as it ruined my last pair of shoes, but I was half a sheet to the wind and looking for the other pages, and I couldn't stop now. Sacrifices had to be made but could I survive another moral amputation? I would have to find out, or die trying.

>quickly grabs all the cheap 360 copies on ebay/amazon before they go up in price

So long as you can pirate it, it's their loss

Max Payne > Alan Wake > Jack Joyce

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>>376723789

Man, if only Square had the fucking sense to do this...

We could get ff 7/8/9 with the original textures in hd.

>>376720640
what the fuck is comfy?

>>376723789
If Alan Wake never happens, they should just release the scripts and what the game was going to be like.

>>376710982
They haven't made a good game since MP, Alan Wake and Quantum Failure were laughably shit.

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>tfw still own the physical copy for the 360
I'm safe boys

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>>376726758
>tfw bought pic related off of eBay for $30 unopened a year after the game came out

>>376727227
Man I miss the old xbox 360 code cards, something about them is just really comfy

>>376725482
I thought about it last night. I was driving home from the Strip and the closer I got, the fewer people there were. The moon was bright and I could faintly see a few stars. Blade Runner's Vangelis came on and I thought immediately that must be what comfy is to people. They appreciate the atmosphere and aesthetics in a calming environment.

This game is on GOG and wont be going down there...

Nice try GabeN

>>376727695
I assume sales are going to cease from all stores from the wording, it is odd of CDPR not to have an announcement and sale like the steam version though

>>376710982
Music licenses are so fucking stupid. They're why Vice City got gutted as well.

>>376725482
Comfy's one of those things that I can't really explain, but know it when I see it.
It's kind of like a mix of something nostalgic, but also kind of really deep down unsettling.

>>376710982
F

>>376727434

Comfy is when everything is relaxing, and everything feels like it falls into place.

A state of controlled wonderment.

>>376722825
It's a game made by slavs, who knows how fucked the engine is.

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>>376725482
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gem%C3%BCtlichkeit

>>376725482
newfag

>>376728567
is she still a top meme

>>376722825
The game isn't selling that much anymore. It's not worth the manpower to keep developing the game.

>>376728772
I dont know but I sure as shit wont stop using her
RINGONG is best mem

>>376723409
IIRC Kasabian and some other shit like that.

The first one, atmospherically, is one of the best games I've ever played. Very few if any devs do atmosphere as well as Remedy. The first 2 Max Payne games are evidence of this, they're still incredible to play

>>376710982
>we knowingly released a game that had music licenses that would require us to one day remove the game from sale if we didn't go to the strenuous effort of removing the offending music

Gee, thanks

>>376713458
I have like 8 games discontinued on steam and can still download them.

>>376722761
I really fail to see how it could be much more complex. The only way is if they somehow signed away the rights to the game in order to secure that music, which seems incredibly dumb.

Isn't there a song in it that's actually important to the plot?

>>376730414
The Poet and the Muse

>>376730414
Poet and the Muse, Children of the Elder God, Balance Slays the Demon

>>376729554
Short-sightedness is a hallmark of this shitty industry. The film industry had this problem in its infancy which is why there are so many really early films that are lost to time, but they figured out the value of preservation pretty quickly. Meanwhile, devs are deleting source codes and original assets just to save room on their fucking hard drives to this day, no real effort is made to preserve anything and there are hundreds of games that are essentially unplayable outside of their old degrading hardware, tied up in copyright disputes where greed over who gets what share of the money ensures that no one makes anything from it, or are gutted by dead online features that will never return.

>>376728667
senile oldfag that can't even explain a buzzword in his stomping ground.

>>376730414
the credits for episode 2 was Poe.

Is there only two games in the series?

Why is it called a franchise? 2 games does not seem like enough to label something as a franchise

>>376724235
damn man she has some hardcore disease. she looked pretty cute as well

Poets of the Fall have been on a slow decline for years. Only liked one song from their newest album

>>376710982
Digital distribution was a mistake.

>>376732289
steam still lets do download and delete games no longer on the steam story at will. if you get a key you can still download Prey, Legendary or Fable 3

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>>376716474
The real fucking problem is that the music industry still hasn't dragged their asses to the 21st century. Or more actually, they haven't been dragged by force. Legislation should start catching up to digital distribution and videogames. Record companies should be universally stripped of all rights to interfere with the use of music in anything that they've sold licenses to. The whole idea of an industry is production. If you create an industrial climate where you have the absolute right to keep profiting from everything you produce, the inevitable outcome of extrapolating that system to infinity is that you will not need to produce anything anymore. The things already in existence can provide your continued profits. It's completely rotten and needs to be taken behind the shed. If a set of laws is specifically made to ensure benefits to the tiniest minority, and it harms literally everything else, the law is broken and needs to be fixed. Laws are meant to protect you from harm, not guarantee a positive outcome and ban neutral and negative ones.

>>376729954
>1/2 the game revolves around the presence of one song
>not complex

>>376717410
>YOU'RE A BIG GUY
>YOU TOO

>>376723789
Why do Finns like middle America?

>>376734085
Because they've never actually been there

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>>376734285
delet

>>376734426
I kid. I live in Commiefonia, so that's even worse.

>>376710982
Real talk: is this worth $3?

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>>376734969
of courshe

>>376734969
Easily, Alan Wake is vidya kino.

>>376723409
sam lake has been almost lifelong friends with POTF's lead, probably gets to license their music a lot cheaper too as a result so i doubt they're responsible.

If that were the case Max Payne 2 would've been on the chopping block a long time ago