What a load of fucking garbage >QTEs at every turn >QTEs

>>376652926

>"Awful generic 'epic' bosses"
what the fuck does that even mean you fucking idiot? how is epic a bad thing?

hafl the stuff you say is subjective, the only thing can agree is stupid is the QTEs and occasional annoyance with mini games

>>376653609
By that I meant the bosses are just there for a wow factor rather than being good bosses. Every boss feels like DMC4's Savior.

just finished game on normal, qte and bike/rocket sequence is absolute trash

i'll reserve opinion on boss fights and enemies feeling spongy tho, might just be me not configuring weapons and plain button mashing with infinite health cheats, youtube climax platinum runs seem to be smooth and pleasant to watch and enemies gets downed fairly quickly

>>376652926
I'm glad I pirated it first, will do the same when Vanquish is out

>>376652926
>QTEs at every turn
theres like 4 you actually need to do

>>376654809
well I mean no one really defends the bike/rocket scenes

>>376655775
>"Hello everyone I've never played this game!"
Even if that was true (which it's not) that's even worse. That would be four QTE's over a 10ish hour game with a multitude of cutscenes. There is no warning or indication a QTE is going to happen before it inexplicably does. So it's just a cheap and unfair way to kill a player just as they forget QTE's in cutscenes exist.

>>376656040
>(which it's not)
(which it is)

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>>376652926
>I'll stick with Ninja Gaiden 2 and Devil May Cry 3
And those don't belong in the same tier as the true king.

I'm playing it for the first time. Only thing that bothers me is cutscenes every 5 minutes but otherwise I'm having a good time. I want to marry Bayonetta.

my biggest complaint is
>no on screen prompt that there's a shortcut to skip cutscenese
the only way to find out about it is to get so fed up with the cutscnenes that you google it

>>376652926
>I want to Bayonetta with other fans but how!

nice bait OP

bayonetta 2 fixed all of this lol

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>Every "first enemy encounter" is the same on every difficulty and always starting with the enemy attacking you mid animation
>Level design is less than two steps above hallways and the game's "hidden" fights require you turning around every 10 feet to make sure you don't miss something before every no return point
>As long as you throw in an occasional Wicked Weave, you can button mash your way to Platinum trophies
>No ability to restart verse from the pause menu, you have to go back to the menu to restart checkpoints
>Have to unlock difficulty after difficulty that only change enemy arrangements and damage resistance before unlocking the mode that's actually challenging
>Fucking flying snakes are horrendously shit enemies

Not gonna address all your points, just some of the worse ones.


>QTEs at every turn
There's a handful in the entire game. This gets blown way out of proportion.

>Enemies at some points attack right as cut-scene ends
All enemies attack after their intro cutscene. Just dodge after an enemy is introduced.

>Annoying music, bosses have generic music
The music suits the feminine theme. If it was anything else it wouldn't work.

>Witch time is a mechanic that is terrible as you get used to it, then the game starts showing you up with enemies which do not trigger witch time
Witch time is a crutch. Those enemies and alfeims are preparing you for Non-Stop Infinite Climax difficulty.

>Enemies attacking off-screen, most of the time not having proper indication for a player to expect this, no proper sound cues
Every attack has an audio cue. This doesn't happen unless an attack has a very distinct audio cue (like the trumpet guys) or the attack animation starts while the enemy is on screen.

>Game is filled up with garbage mini-games and events such as riding a bike, these go on forever and once again determine your rank
You can ignore them after your first playthrough since they're split into their own chapters.

Given your complaints about the gameplay it's obvious you haven't played it much and haven't touched NSIC yet. Don't talk about things you don't understand.

>>376652926
>have cool animations and visual style thst make fights a spectacle
>put a stupid "A+B to Torture Attack" prompt in front of it all of the time
This bothers me way more than it should

>The music suits the feminine theme. If it was anything else it wouldn't work.

Bayonetta's fight theme in particular is just bad.

"Tomorrow Is Mine" is much better

>>376652926
>cutscenes
>QTEs
>Meme gameplay
>Shit camera
>Noisy so you can't see what's going on

Bayonetta is a meme game appealing to manchildren

>>376660262

What fucking sucks is how linear platinum games are, they'd be great if it didn't feel like you were just being pushed in one direction and had some freedom

Makes all the upgrades and shit seem pointless too

and dont forget

>Bayonetta franchise will die with Pii-U

>>376661742
>Noisy
This is my main problem with the game, DMC3-4 and even MGR are suped clear, you can see all the time what is going on, but in Bayonetta it is much harder for me to tell what is really going on at all the time.

Sorry OP, the 'It's cool to hate on Bayonetta' boat just left.

>>376661380
>Witch time is a crutch.

I meant to say that my problem with witch time is its existence in the first place.

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>>376661828
Are you guys ever going to be not mad about bayo 2?

>>376661909
Never was aware of such "boat"

>>376657495
I mean you hit the pause button

>>376657495
have you never considered "maybe start/pause skips the cut-scenes" ?

>>376661513
>shitting on Fly Me to the Moon

>>376662157
>>376662106
he's talking about RT+Select, never mentioned once in the game

>>376662042
Yeah, now that bayo had been ported to PC it's received attention again and now it's the perfect time for contrarians to flaunt their jaded tastes. Expect it to happen with Vanquish too once that comes to PC, they'll cry about stupid shit like one hit kill attacks.

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>>376652926
All this bitching about failing QTEs is really getting to me. Is /v/ literally populated by link dicked children stoners or something?

You have a HUGE fucking window to perform them. How can your reaction time be THAT shit?

>>376662315
it's already happening to Vanquish

>>376662202
He's not shitting on Fly Me To The Moon.
He's shitting on Mysterious Destiny.

You are dead on with the (I can't hold all these) QTEs. I mean most of the normal enemies, all of the bosses, half of the 10,000 cut scenes; also surprise insta kill!

I think it's a souls fan's were dream.

>>376662315
I fully expect people to start spamming Jim Sterling's shit review on the 25th.

>>376662410
>he
>implying fly me to the moon isn't the fight theme

I like Bayonetta 2 better, it's nicer to look at and it cut a lot of the Bullshit the first game had.

>>376662460
it's not the main fight theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zysr4weluSM

>>376662460
It isn't. Fly Me To The Moon only plays a few times during the game, near the beginning and for that short period against Jubileus at the end.

Mysterious Destiny plays a hell of a lot more over the course of the game.

>>376662537
>>376662591
Oh I got them completely confused

>>376662358
the quick time events they're talking about aren't the ones where you mash a button, those are fine
the shitty ones are the ones where a button prompt randomly pops up during a cutscene and you have to press it in timing with the purple ring

bayonetta 2 doesnt have any of those and it's better for that reason alone

>>376656275
>The only man making sense on /v/
I have to commend you for excellent taste

>>376662440
Why do people like you feel the need to bring souls up in every discussion? The irony here, which you'd know if you actually knew anything about the topic at hand, is that souls is babby's first action game compared to Bayonetta. Why should I care about a few QTEs when the combat (aka most of the game) is infinitely better?

>>376662656
Yeah forced witch time and no combos are a big plus too

>>376652926
I think you're dead on with the bosses at least, I like fighting most of the enemies but the bosses, (Besides Jeanne, Balder) are all just giant goliath fights. Jubileus is the only giant boss I actually like.

>>376662753

"Combos" are a fucking joke and meant for babies to feel better if they aren't in a fighting game.

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>>376662440
Souls doesn't have QTEs, am I being worked?

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>>376660262
>No ability to restart verse from the pause menu, you have to go back to the menu to restart checkpoints

>"hey I think I can do better, I'll try restarting using this 'chapter menu' option"
>it resets the whole level
>you have to exit the game back to the title screen to return to last checkpoint
Jesus Christ All Mighty.

>>376662963
stupid savescummer

>>376663076
>savescummer
I just want to get better, man.

>>376662847
I like fighitng most of the enemies too.

I'll be honest, this thread was made after me being absolutely pissed off at the game after beating Road 66 at Hard for the first time, it's easily my most hated stage in the fucking game, it is the game at its worst.

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I love these kinda games.
for hours spend playing (wich probably equates to how good a game is)
1. God Hand
2. Devil May Cry 3
3. Bayonetta 2
4. Vanquish
5. Ninja Gaiden Sigma 1
6. Sigma 2
7. Bayonetta
8. DMC4
9. Wonderful 101
10. Lollipop Chainsaw
i like these games but i prefer a fun experience over "muh deep combat"

I agree with most OP points. The game is decent but not even close to being the best cuhrazy. The level and boss design are VERY much like DmC. Also the sluggish menus - I love trying to skip a 5 second cutscene and spending 4 seconds going through the menu for it, only to have another unskippable cutscene right after, mashing, and shit being all over the screen so you can't see what's going on all fuck me off.

Nonstop doesn't feel difficult even if you restrict yourself from using continues, items, and OP weapons/accessories, but at the same time it doesn't feel balanced properly since the game was obviously built around witch time so you end up using the same few overpowering strategies.

>>376661820
Nier

>>376656040
>less QTEs would be worse
hmmmmmm

>>376652926
They kinda fixed it all of it in 2.

>>376663260
God, I am so salty I will never get to play Bayonetta 2

I agree with your list, I'd personally put DMC4 above Bayonetta 1, I feel like it is less finished but has far less problems than Bayonetta and has better combat

>>376663260
I like you

>>376663260
I wish I could be good at DMC4. I can't juggle properly, and the fucking enemies die before I can even hit S, let alone SS. Also after playing Nero for so long, Dante and his stance switches really fucked me up. Though I got really good at dodging, which I appreciate.

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>>376663421
dude, bayonetta 2 is so nice.
it's so colorful, has some great levels and bosses.
the only thing that sucks is the kid they added, he's a terrible fucking character.

i pray for you that there will be a PC port or switch or something... whatever you have as a platform, it's truly the best Wii U game except for maybe Mario Kart 8 wich is the best Mario Kart

>>376663919
It's all right, maybe I'll buy Wii U for it when the price of it really drops and will be sold like nothing on Ebay or something.

>>376663979
the opposite is probably going to happen

>>376653609
"Epic" in terms of scale: The bosses are repetitive and their size means little.
SotC is an example of good and fun "epic" bosses.

This was always lame as fuck

>>376664420
If you have shit taste, yeah.

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>>376652926
This game sucks.

>>376664813
Oh come on that's just sad, kek, HAHA YOU MOTHER FUCKER GOT STATUE ON THE FIRST LEVEL AHAHAAHAHAH

HOW'YA EVEN DO THAT NIGGA?! PFFFFFFFFFFFHAHAHA

>>376664813
is this how you btfo yourself

>>376664813
OH WHAT A DAY

>>376664813
OP here.

Lmao, how did you get statue on the first chapter? Normal is pretty balanced all things considered, you can only blame yourself for this.

Hard is where the game gets kinda bitchy, imho.

>>376664813
OH
WHAT
A
DAY

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>>376664813

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>>376664813
So this... is the power... of the PC Masterrace

>>376664813
haha lole! a scrub has talked poorly about the game, that means all people who criticize bayonetta are scrubs like u! :D

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>>376664813
Jesus christ.

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>>376664813
o fuck

>>376653609
It means OP is being a faggot and hasn't actually played the game.

>>376665341
Fuck you


>>376654016
>>376664410

>>376664813
And there it is folks, you can go home now

>>376664813
god damn, dude
and here I thought I sucked at these games

>>376662358
Shit i remember this video. anyone have a source?

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>>376664813

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>>376664813

>>376652926
Agree with most of what you said but

>Singling out NG2
>Being a DMC3 baby
>Caring about rank

You almost weren't a fag OP, almost

>>376664813
How the fuck do you get a statue on the prologue?

>bitches about off screen enemies
>meanwhile praises Ninja Gaiden 2

loloffscreenexplodingshuriken

>>376665420
If you are OP then let me tell you that your post reads exactly like every other shitpost full of memes that gets parroted here by people that never actually played the games in question and probably hate videogames in general.

>>376664813
First playthroughs will always kind of look like this if only because of how much alfheim stages can be hidden and not solving them has a big impact on your total score.

>>376665784
I wrote the thread kinda pissed off. So it came out meme-y, but I was being genuine. I don't hate video games by a longshot but I can get frustrated to autistic levels easily.

>>376665951
Mainly because it's someone who's shit because they've never played the game before

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Playing this and Bayo 2 at the same time. Really good games senpai

Is there any reason to use anything other than Umbra Climax in Bayo 2? At least in the first game there were alternative attacks to use your magic for. Anything besides umbra climax feels like a complete waste in Bayo 2. I think Bayo 1 has better balanced combat. It has its whole set of other problems though.

Still awesome games

>>376665951
>>376666002
you are both making excuses, there is no reason anyone should have that many statues on their first playthrough

Why is there no option to automatically skip all cutscenes & climaxes?
I might feel inclined to actually go through on hard if they would limit their god damn epic cinematic interruptions

>>376666123
Hahahaha

>i should be good at a hard game i've never played before

>>376666118
>Is there any reason to use anything other than Umbra Climax in Bayo 2?
no
and thats why many fans don't like Bayo 2.
i however didn't mind.

>>376666187
>All those cinematic interruptions when mini-boss is defeated

Fucking kill me, they're not cool. I get sick of pressing X button all the time.

>>376666212
it's clearly set to normal you retard

>>376666262
Yeah and it's clearly too hard for a casual dumbass like him lmao

>>376666259
>QTE to jump
>You have to PRESS X (the shoot button)
the fuck is kamiya thinking
there's not an ounce of common sense here at all

>>376665951
I skipped a lot of verses and still got some bronzes here and there on my first playthrought while still being bad and diying. That guy must be awfully bad

>>376666585
It's defined as the "Action" button. The one you use to interact with stuff.
Either you're performing an Action, or you're attacking with the Punch/Kick buttons.

The QTEs make sense in that regard. Their popping up instantly with little to no telegraph besides that faint blue ring when it's a timed Action QTE is shit, though.

Bayonetta is still milking salt from casuals all these years later

>>376665981
Ok, fair enoug.
>QTEs
I can see how these can be frustrating, the game is from a time where QTEs were hip and it suffers for it because they haven't aged well at all.
QTEs and combat cut-ins become much less of a problem on replays of the game and they seems to be designed to fuck your score on your first time for some reason.
>bosses
While I liked fighting the large bosses, Balder and Jeanne were definitely the highlights.
Can't really remember any boss theme except Balder so you are probably right about that.
>witch time
I thought this mechanic was really good and sound queues were spot on especially with offscreen enemies never unfairly attacking without very distinct queues.
The only enemy I remember resisting witchtime is Gracious and Glories which yes are absolute dick to fight the first time on normal.
>bike/rocket riding
Didn't like these either, especially the rocket one that was mandatory before your fight with Jeanne.
>cutscenes
Thinking back, I think you might be right about this. It might have been budget reasons.
>finishers
Meh

>>376667357
yeah that's strange I could have sworn the game defines JUMPING with its own dedicated JUMP button
you know, the one you use to jump
the button that always jumps and does nothing but jump

>>376663260
>1. God Hand
>2. Devil May Cry 3

All that needed to be said about your pleb tastes but it's nice that you tied it up with a neat little fag bow

>like these games but i prefer a fun experience over "muh deep combat"

"muh pretty colors and fast movement"

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>>376656275
GOD OR DEMON, WHAT AM I

>>376667743
Yes, and the prompts for JUMPING have you press Jump.

>>376667916
I have never seen a gayer post

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>>376667916
i think God Hand is more fun to replay.
Devil May Cry 3 has some levels that aren't that fun and some mediocre bossfights and annoying normal enemies
some of the weapons are a little underdeveloped in their movesets
i still love em both but i prefer God Hand

>>376667965
>kuk me
What?

>>376667970
That's weird, I just played Chapter III which makes you jump from a falling clock tower with the press of the X (Square) (West) button.
Oh hey now wait a minute! In that same chapter you have to do some scripted jumps from pieces of a collapsing bridge using the jump button. Now why on earth would there be two kinds of QTEs with two different buttons if they perform the same action?
Because there's little consistency and even less common sense.

>>376668127
Oh you thought i was implying they should be switched.

Yeah, i was actually implying neither have any business being there.

i mean i know it's personal opinion. I'm bored

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>>376667965
>you will never be Mike Kob
why even live?

>>376653609
About everything he said is perfectly true and even if you like the game (I do) you can see this.

Unless you're mentally retarded, maybe.

Most disgusting thing about it are enemies hitting you right at cutscenes end and similar shit.

Play Bayo 2 then. It's much bet>>376656275
This game is such disgusting trash. Literally contarian bias: the fanbase.

>>376652926
>QTEs at every turn.
Yes
>QTEs which insta kill you and determine your overall rank
Yes
>Enemies at some points attack right as cut-scene ends Yes
>Awful generic "epic" bosses
How is this a problem?
>Annoying music, bosses have generic music
That's an opinion. i personally LOVE the OST
>Witch time is a mechanic that is terrible as you get used to it, then the game starts showing you up with enemies which do not trigger witch time
Opinion? i dont see how this is even a point worth bringing up
>Enemies attacking off-screen, most of the time not having proper indication for a player to expect this, no proper sound cues
Straight up wrong, i've never experienced this
>Game is filled up with garbage mini-games and events such as riding a bike, these go on forever and once again determine your rank
Yes
>Many cut-scenes that are clealy unfinished, so they use a " movie-style" for them that doesn't really fit the game in order to hide it.
once again why does this matter
>Each mini-boss has a lenghty "finishing off" move which you cannot skip and goes on for far too long
Shit is badass

>>376668779
f o r c e d w i t c h t i m e

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>>376668878
>>Awful generic "epic" bosses
>How is this a problem?

>>376668705
The cutscene shit was really annoying, but i've never personally experienced getting attacked off screen, and complaining about enemies having no proper queues is bullshit as the game is designed to be played multiple times. normal difficulty is for children and the game unlocks harder difficulties when you beat it.

>>376669008
What isnt "Generic" in a game?

please. everything that can be done has been done, you need a new genre if you want to experience "New" things in games.

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>>376669162
>please. everything that can be done has been done, you need a new genre if you want to experience "New" things in games.

>>376652926
I'd like to add that I find the combo controls to be really iffy. For instance, I don't know how many times the game counted my minor pause as a combo input, that fucking durga kick juggle fucked me many times since you can't get out of it. Also it seems like it was a terrible idea to have the panther transformation on the same button as dodge, and the crow transformation shouldn't exist period (I think you can turn this one in particular off, fortunately).

>>376668878
>Awful generic "epic" bosses
>How is this a problem?
Because they are boring and not challenging while simultaneously managing to be annoyingly designed. They feel like watching a movie with some annoying mashing once in a while. For the asshole with the 2 gun arms and the asshole with the tentacle head, you just sit there pressing punch over and over. The one in the water is annoying because the dodge on the raft feels clunky compared to the rest of the game, and when you refight him on the tower you can't see what the fuck is going on because of all the fire and explosions. With the two-headed dragon, most of his attacks originate from his head and yet you can't see his heads on the ground floor. The final boss is a matter of chasing down those feather appendages down and it gets old.

>>376669554
you can get out of any any attack in the game, it's impossible for bayo to get comboed by enemies if you hit the dodge button

>>376652926
>Enemies attacking off-screen, most of the time not having proper indication for a player to expect this, no proper sound cues
They all make weird noises before attacking desu.

>>376669554
You can dodge offset with the Panther Within, it's useful for positioning and stuff but you wouldn't know that because you only played the game at a casual level before complaining about the mechanics.

>>376669901
What a crock of shit. Positioning hardly matters at all in nonstop, if anything you would use panther to create distance instead. If you are going to be up close, it helps to be in the middle of everything to fart out more effective rosary bombs anyway.

>>376669719
I am pretty sure you would need to use the moon guard or at least selene's light to get out of many combos, dodge wouldn't be enough. Regardless, I was talking about before getting hit at all and you would still need the moon guard for that.

>>376669554
>Not Challenging
>Annoying

Pick one.
you seem to be the kind of person to dislike bosses because you aren't good enough to actually beat them without getting your shit kicked in. you call the game boring and unfair because you're garbage.

>>376670307
You can get out of them with just the base dodge. Also using the Panther Within to dodge offset to do a leg sweep up close takes a joy, Jeanne, and Gracious/Glorious off their feet every time. Please be quiet casual, and go practice.

>>376668779
>Praises Bayo 2
>Trashes God Hand
Easiest way to spot a casual.

>>376670339
Because pressing punch a lot and standing in place is so challenging, right? There is such a thing as bad design, don't try to link two unrelated attributes together.

>>376670451
You physically cannot dodge at certain times due to animation locks, period. Are you suggesting setting up a sweep from afar and just panthering to them to finish it? Why wouldn't you just set up a weave or do an instant weave with mana instead?

>>376670902
>why use the move the enemies can dodge instead of doing the one that will knock her off her feet
>why try to get better at the game instead of using crutches
hmm

>>376670902
You should probably try playing the game more before you keep complaining

>>376670902
>animation locks
Literally every base attack animation in the game is jump or dodge cancelable.

>>376670979
Wouldn't constantly using sweeps be just as much of a crutch? Either way, why go overboard with getting better at a mediocre game when nonstop is easy enough already?

>>376671126
I played the game yesterday and can guarantee there are animation locks.

>>376670902
>Because pressing punch a lot and standing in place is so challenging, right?
You could say the same about any hack and slash or that every shooter is just clicking things to kill them. Sounds like you don't have a real argument desu.

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>>376670902
>animation locks
????
Have you actually played this game?

>>376670979
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>>376671126
Bayofag defense out in full force I see.

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>>376664813
>got like 12 stones
>mfw still don't suck as much as this guy
WHAT A DAY

How is the PC port?
Does it have a good, stable framerate?

I'm considering buying this, and picking up Vanquish as a 'bundle' for 30 bucks.

>>376671214
I played the game today and can confirm there aren't.

>>376670902
cancelling attack animations with dodges is one of the most important moves in the game.

it's called "Dodge offset" and when actually learned allows you to pull off combos without actually performing all of the full animations. or continue a combo after an enemies attack, you'd know this if you actually knew what you were talking about.

>>376671269
>I made a stupid argument and got told
>I'll call them a defense force to save face
Pathetic desu

>>376671216
No you can't say the same thing about every other game, because well designed bosses in action games expect you to dodge or block attacks through cues, cancelling, and feeling rhythm. Several of the "epic" bosses in Bayo let you stand in place for 5-10+ seconds pressing punch before having to tap dodge, then you are rewarded with another unskippable cutscene.

>>376671342
It's pretty awesome

>>376671454
Oh so what, DMC with the punching bag enemies is better? Bayonetta is faster than Ninja Gaiden, and probably any other action game like these.

>implying any other action game has more rhythm than bayo

>>376671269
High five bro, I love blatantly lying about a video game mechanic to try and convince people I'm right.

>>376671412
I played the game broheim, I know dodge offset exists. Animation locks exist in Bayo whether you admit to it or not.

>>376671454
>Several of the "epic" bosses in Bayo let you stand in place for 5-10+ seconds pressing punch before having to tap dodge
I could say the same about most boss fights in NG,DMC and other hack and slashes. Just spamming dodge won't get you anywhere because you still need to time your ddges right specially against human bosses.
Again, you simplify things so much you're not giving any sort of real argument since "just hitting and evading when the enemy attacks you" applies to most of the genre too.

>>376671454
>through cues, cancelling, and feeling rhythm.
You do the same in Bayonetta, your point?

>>376671837
They absolutely don't though. Bayonetta has the lowest attack commitment in action game history. Stop fucking lying.

>>376652926
>>Annoying music, bosses have generic music
kys

>>376671856
I am not simplifying anything. Go fight the tentacle boss again. You can stand right in front of his face and his tentacles cannot hit you including the poison spray, it is physically out of range for them. That pretty much leaves the dick-head extension and the purple falling rocks, which are freebies to dodge and not that common by comparison. The guy with the gun arms has very slow gatling sequences that sweep across the screen and when he breaks the platform the bullets cannot hurt you at all, so you basically can stand there without any fear just beating the fucking shit out of him. If you want to count the golem, he can't even fucking attack you if you are up his asshole until he gets some new forms the 2nd time around. And, as stated earlier, the final boss is just chasing around the feather appendages and hitting them 2-3 times.

>>376672137
With the regular enemies, sure, but the bosses are the topic at hand, and they are fucking horrible.

>>376672614
>Go fight the tentacle boss again.
The one in Ninja Gaiden? Because I remember beating that by mostly spamming combos and jumping attacks on it.

>>376672614
>With the regular enemies, sure, but the bosses are the topic at hand, and they are fucking horrible.
The first few bosses maybe, the rest behave similarly to normal enemies instead of just attacking every 5 seconds.

Pro tip: Ninja gaiden fucking sucks

>>376672546
Calling things generic is the easiest way to pretend you have anything to say against something.

>>376672759
Only played the NES ones so far, sorry. Regardless of other games, you have to admit they are pretty shite bosses.

>>376672883
I am pretty sure that Fortitudo is the hardest of the epics, I dunno what you are talking about. Also, what do you mean "first few bosses"? There are only about 6 bosses in the entire game aside from Jeanne and refights (and the refights have less health and end up being in silly shit like the schmup and artillery sections).

>>376673171
>Only played the NES ones so far, sorry.
I'm talking about the new ones, the hack and slash in which "just dodging" will get you killed in a matter of seconds. That alone proves that you know shit about this genre since the other franchises have worse punching bag bosses than Bayonetta.

>>376673550
It doesn't prove anything because NG and Bayonetta are not the only two cuhrazies in existence. I am pretty sure even a low tier cuhrazy like God of War has more challenging bosses than Bayo.

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>>376667965
>>376668127
>>376656275
>Got God Hand for $10 in a recommendation thread
>Been having a fucking blast with it ever since.

>>376673082
Bayonetta's theme and the climax remixes in particular are actually so unique that it doesn't even fit into a particular genre and there's no music like it.

>>376673715
DMC bosses are even more passive than the ones in Bayonetta, GoW is literally just dodge to win after spamming square. Again, you know nothing about this genre.

>>376671342
Bretty gud.
Pre-rendered cutscenes are borked for me though, and I'm not alone, not a big deal really and I guess they'll fix it soon enough.

>>376673730
sometimes anon... sometimes /v/ isn't full of shit.
And sometimes... sometimes they show you great things you have been missing out on.

>>376672614
>>376673171
Tell us what's a good example of a non-human boss fight in a hack and slash senpai.

>>376674082
>GoW is literally just dodge to win after spamming square
Isn't that exactly what Bayonetta bosses are except triangle or circle instead of square? You also can't forget that you die in 2-3 hits from a boss on DmD in DMC.

If you don't think it's mediocre combat then turn off the UI and find out how much of it really is qte based.

>>376674797
Okay, still good. Now what? Oh right you don't know anything about anything and this is bait.

>>376667965
>tfw my hard KMS run has been halted by the three stooges at the same time

feels fucking bad man
that fight is fucking bullshit

>tfw stopped giving a fuck about rank since pure platinum is utter bullshit
Just embrace THE DAYS.

>>376675365
smart anon
the game is fun but the game is simply not designed for getting perfect scores due to the cinematic nature tanking the level design

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>>376664813
>Getting a stone ranking
>On the 1ST FUCKING LEVEL
>ON NORMAL

>>376676084
Some people get stuck on the torture attack tutorial with Jeanne.

post bayo lewds

>>376677357
She's lewd by default.

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>>376677357
Here you go buddy.

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Ive never played these kinds of games but I FUCKING LOVE Transformers Devastation. It was bretty gud until I unlocked Magnus difficulty and now its god like. Mostly because I love Transformers honestly. Is bayo like this one?

>>376652926
> I'll stick with Ninja Gaiden 2 and Devil May Cry 3, this does not belong into the same tier as those two, not by a long shot.
NGII is half finished dreck.

> muh QTEs
> praises NGII where you do one button QTEs every other second they are literally the most important move that moves the camera to show how AWSUM you are

>>376678262
Transformers is Bayo-lite-lite-lite-lite with 5% of care and polish that Bayonetta 1 received.

Still a good game and head and shoulders above of any other """"""action"""""" games -- i wished it wasn't true and any other devs even TRIED.

>>376678509
the only other action game I played was Devil May Cry: DMC and I stopped because it was boring whereas im still replaying Devastation. Which I probably wouldnt of picked up if it wasnt pandering to transformers fans. If Bayonetta is that much better then it must be incredible.

>>376678676
It's only $20 or free ;). Check it out and see if you like it.

How many chapters are in Bayonetta?

>>376678892
17 or 18

>>376678262
you have an entire genre full of great games in ahead of you, enjoy it anon.

>>376678676
glad you enjoyed these games.

Transformers have an extended "RPG" and loot focus to ease in in casuals who can grind and boost damage instead of learning moves.

Bayonetta doesn't allow to upgrade damage and you will only progress onto harder diffculties and ranks when you will actually start to apply yourself and learn the mechanics.

QTE seems to be OK if Japan does it, huh?.

>>376679107
you coulda fooled me, because all I see in threads is people saying every game in existence is shit except Devil May Cry, cant remember which number.

>>376679136
Which one has the better ost?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHfdWnF6pGk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEBYjnMNbM4

>>376678676
Nigga play God Hand

>>376652926
>Enemies have no sound cues

They literally fucking shine

>>376680002
I dont have a ps2 and every time I try to emulate any ps2 game it runs like shit or has some sort of graphical distortion (I said glitch once and someone freaked out on me)

>>376680029
And they also have a sound cue. But OP was obviously baiting since he also said Bayonetta has animation locks. The game that centers around dodge offset has animation locks.

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>>376680086
Do your research. God Hand runs fine.
God Hand is literally the greatest action game ever made so you really shouldn't give up on playing it at the first obstacle, for God's sake.

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>>376652926
>it's another anon who can't get past chapter 2

Is Bayonetta the Dark Souls of the character action genre?

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>>376679924
>Which one has the better ost?
While that Starscream track is excellent all other Transformers ost sounds like generic buttrock to me.

Bayonetta's melodic jazzy soundtrack is more my kind of groove. Composer entirely avoids "action games should rock soundtrack with dominating drums and electric guitar shreds" instead going with piano as main instrument:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVSYSfHo-MI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVSYSfHo-MI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=votCEPMHm9Y

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>>376680761
>Is Bayonetta the Dark Souls of the character action genre?
No MGR is Dark souls of action genre.

Because it's an easy popular game designed to pander to casual crowd where you can grind and boost your damage instead of learning.

>>376681013

Why do people have such a hard on for air juggles?

>>376681183
Because keeping the enemy in the air that long is impressive

>>376681169
Bayonetta enables you to grind to get more health, magic, OP moves and equipment like mahaa kalaa

>>376681290

I mean, I suppose. Sure, they take practice to pull off but they really aren't that fun to do or watch, at least for me.

>>376681183
>>376681482
cause it's practical?
if the enemy is in the air he can't attack, and you are far away from other enemies.
it's a good way to deal with enemies.

>>376663421
CEMU is coming along nicely though. Some games are playable already.

>>376681536

But pounding on each now defenseless enemy one at a time is boring as fuck.

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>>376681368
> health
irrelevant, action games make idea of HP past 1 pointless

Ranking encourages a player not to get hit ever. If you got hit once -- it's the same as death.

> magic
more important but also irrelevant

> OP moves
ALL the moves are unlocked once you unlock the weapon.

Default guns and it's entire moveset that you have from the start is more than enough to Pure Platinum normal.

> mahaa kalaa
One time buy, just like all other weapons.

Grinding breaks balance and makes players think that they should be rewarded for simply time spent instead of effort because ceiling for grinding is so much higher character is allowed to become OP and past that.

>>376681663
well yea.
just like conserving ammo in RE4 is boring.
but it's the most efficient way to play.

>>376681750
Not even that, you can PP all of NSIC with just Scarborough Fair on hands and feet

>>376681750
>OP moves
I think he was talking about techniques. Crow within is pretty much necessary.

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>>376681663
>one at a time
Other enemies don't just stand there looking in awe -- they will still attack you whether or not you are in air or not.

All of grunts in Bayonetta can fly or at least jump high.

Keeping up the enemy like that is actually hard and not only because of your moveset limitation but also because each enemy have their own physical properties like weight and density and you need to account for that.

Many enemies are designed to resist to juggles so they will slip off and fly away and some enemies are entirely unjuggleable by design like Jeanne.

and juggling in bayo is actually really easy by comparison to say DMC3/4 where all of these factors are magnitudes harder to execute.

>>376681750
>irrelevant, action games make idea of HP past 1 pointless
What
>Ranking encourages a player not to get hit ever. If you got hit once -- it's the same as death.
Are we talking about Revengeance or Bayonetta? Either way: lol, no one was talking about ranking
>more important but also irrelevant
Not with some of the equipment

Bayonetta also lets the player have FAR more health recovery items and magic recovery items than MGRR does.
>but muh ranking
We're not talking about getting pure platinums m8

>>376652926
DMC3 is my favorite game but I really hate bayonetta, the combat is decent but way to flashy and the enemies really suck.

Also the story is just dumb

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>>376681927
>Crow within
Whether if you meant Bat Within or Crow Within -- nope for both. Neither of them are required.

>>376681803
> Not even that, you can PP all of NSIC with just Scarborough Fair on hands and feet
doubt.gif

NSIC alfheims where you need to kill scores of braves and angels dogs will force you to equip swords.

>>376682301
Oh yeah except for specific shit like that, at least for me, but I've no doubt some have done it, it's not like it's impossible or anything except on like maybe the limited punch and kick alfheims

>>376682301
VST is such a beautiful thing

>>376682301
>you can parry the mash qte
that's cool
the mash qtes are still fucking stupid though

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It's almost like Vanquish was Platinum's only good game and they're otherwise a weak as hell shovelware developer.

>>376682168
> What
I repeat: HP is entirely irrelevant in games like DMC3/4 and Bayonetta.

It's just a UI clutter and visual nuisance.

Thanks for "No UI" option on PC release allowing to remove it compeltely.

>We're not talking about getting pure platinums
I am because the game was entirely DESIGNED around that way of play and is meant to play like that.

If it is still playable casually is barely a tip of the needle on an iceberg.

Still it's very important because you do need to lure in casual normies but it still barely 1% of what the game is.

>>376682401
>Oh yeah except for specific shit like that
The problem is that these "specific shit" is required for Pure Platinum runs.

Limited punch and kicks challenges are not even the end of it.

On NSIC you need to juggle or jump on armoured angel dogs to stay in the air. Good luck doing it without a whip.

>>376682648
>I repeat: HP is entirely irrelevant in games like DMC3/4 and Bayonetta.
If the player character get hit enough times, the player character dies, and the player has to restart from a checkpoint.
...
did we play the same video game?

>>376682812
I did a few of the 40 second stay in the air ones with the one where you tap the lock on button twice to teleport to the enemy then doing air combos and enemy step, but kulshedra I will not argue is an easier way to do that

>>376682509
Except for Bayonetta, MGR, W101, and Anarchy Reigns.

It's almost like /v/ has shit taste.

>>376652926
The only thing that will stick with me is when I was trying to platinum rank the dragon boss in the church and I just beat him taking no damage and then he threw the church at me and I thought it was a cutscene because it'd been a cutscene for the past three minutes. But it was actually a QTE and I didn't react fast enough so I had to redo the battle. That and the shitty lava escape. Made me rage so hard. But yes, overall, the game is made too easy once you figure out the optimal combo. It's a lot like DMC in that regards: yeah, you can do some cool stuff, but just to beat the game with platinum rank? Fairly easy.

>>376682868
If you get hit or die, your score goes to shit. That's what he's talking about.

If you only care about finishing the game filled with stone awards, go ahead. But don't kid yourself, you're a scrub.

>>376682868
If you are going for platinums HP is irrelevant because a single hit makes you fail the rank

>>376682962
>>376683024
>caring about scores
>in a single player game
LOL!!!!!!!! How fucking autistic can you be?

>>376652926
It's certainly a flawed game with some truly shitty elements that you have to accept in order to finish it, but it's still a good game that overall stands out positively and is definitely worth playing.

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Bayonetta is a bad copy of DMC3 and I can't fathom how anyone can dispute that.
>the main protagonist and antagonist are basically twins and have a friendly rivalry with each other through the entire game
>their first showdown is on the top of a round tower, rain pouring on them
>cool cutscene with a bike
>environmental "puzzles" with statues and shit
>gunslinger main character that acts all cocky
>etc. etc. etc.
Except DMC3 did it all better. Also:
-Most of the music is some random pop songs instead of full of drive, edgy tracks that dmc offers
-A lot of the enemies follow the same theme of white angels, which was also true for dmc with its demons but they were more meaningfully different and there were a ton of non-demon enemies too
-Cutscenes try to be CRAYZEH, but a lot of the time fall short
-Half of the game is made out of movie-style "on film" static images, that is just fucking pathetic and completely breaks the flow and any atmosphere it could have. It's very clear that Platinum didn't have budget/time to make proper cutscenes, and instead of cutting them and replacing it with something meaningful and worthwhile, decided to go for the worst cutscene implementation I have only ever seen in any videogame
-Overall combat system is just not as fun and polished, you can basically play with any weapon and that's not because they are all equally balanced and useful, but because there is no fucking difference between them and it just doesn't matter what you use
-The screen is constantly cluttered with visual garbage, at times it can be difficult to discern what is even happening at any given moment. DMC was pretty much always clear and you always knew what was going on with very little unnecessary visual effects
-DMC3 bosses vary from mediocre to fucking great, and the balance is pretty skewed towards the latter with only a couple of outliers. None of the Bayo bosses are really above mediocre
Kamiya is a hack, people praising Bayo over DMC are style over substence.

>>376682962
Oh, okay, if the game is all about replaying over and over and over until you get the perfect most sweaty flawless rank, then why are the levels designed in a such a roundabout way with unskippable QTEs and minigame setpieces?
Why don't you play a fighting gaem?

>>376683071
So I guess arcade games are autistic.

>>376683139
Arcade games have leaderboards, anon.

>>376683071

Considering it actually unlocks more shit in game I'd say it's not very autistic at all.

>>376683103
I won't defend QTEs, because I too think they are pure cancer

>>376683170
So does Bayonetta

>>376682868
>and the player has to restart from a checkpoint.
Which are abundant in Bayonetta and never take more than 1-2 minutes of your time.

There are checkpoints between each of boss phases and right before all 4 qtes just so that normies don't get too mad failing easy ass audio and video telegraphed small little challenges.

they still get mad

>>376656275
The one game that truly belongs in the god tier category.

>>376683189
And the scripted parts, and the puzzles, and the platforming, and the minigames
So you can understand why telling someone who has beaten the game (twice) they have only scratched the surface in a game whose production values are wasted on that clutter is a bit silly.

>>376683092
this, thank you

>>376652926
Isn't this far too much a case of "too little, too late"? Really not gonna get anyone with this poor bait.

>>376683397
>237 replies later

>>376683092
Watch Eyes of Bayonetta u big dummy nerd also u r stupid

DMC 4 (Combat) > DMC3 > Ninja Gaiden Black > DMC 4 (as a whole) > Bayo 2 > MGR > Bayo 1 > DMC1 > God Hand > any other action games not mentioned are shit

>>376661380
>There's a handful in the entire game. This gets blown way out of proportion.

One annoying QTE is enough to make people want to quit playing and never play it again.
I get that there's a group of people that get off on those kinds of things in games, to the point that they wante entire games to be like that, and they feel special, patrician and shit if they like being abused by developers, but most people are not mentally ill and hate that kind of shit.

>>376683814
Garbage taste, good job getting me to reply

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>>376683884
t. God of War babby

>>376652926
You forgot:
>virgin waifubait MC

>>376683934
t. strawman of another fanbase xfag

>>376683814
>God Hand that low
>DMC4 that high
>Bayo 2 higher than Bayo 1

Kill yourself.

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>>376683941
>virgin
about that

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>>376683839
> MUH GATEKEEPING
> MUH ABLEISM
> MUH NORMIE PRIDE

>250 replies

>>376684092
DMC4's combat is so absolutely godlike that even the rehashed second half is made up for.

You cannot argue that any other combat system is superior because it simply isn't. No other action game has a combat system so perfect. It transcends the genre.

>>376683092
>-Most of the music is some random pop songs instead of full of drive, edgy tracks that dmc offers
>this being a negative
neck yourself tismo

>>376684092
DMC4 combat is literally the pinnacle of the genre and have surpassed everything that came before it and has never been surpassed by anything else since. That doesn't excuse the 2nd half of the game full of backtracking, but it's still a fact.

>>376684454
icewind dale 2 has better combat

>>376663421
You can play Bayo 2 on PC thanks to CEMU

>>376663260
>No DMC1
Into the trash

>>376684104
Wait, what do you mean?

>>376684525
>"""play"""
Yeah, and in 10 years maybe it'll run acceptably.

>>376684876
It was decent at the time, but still had too many residual RE spinoff mechanics. Right now it's just painful to play.

>>376684930
Not CEMU's fault you tried to run it on your shitty potato laptop.

>>376685000
Terrible opinion, especially when something like lollipop chainsaw is even on the list. DMC1 is still GOAT to this day and a superb action game. When will you fags stop parroting this "dated" meme because you can't play it like DMC3.

>>376682452

You can ignore them outright. There's no penalty for not triggering them against Jeanne and you only get reduced halos for not mashing them in a story sequence.

>>376685178
It is just clunky in a lot of places. Is it worse than lollipop chainsaw? I have no idea, it didn't play that. But dmc1 is actually just dated in some ways as of the present year, for better or for worse.

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>>376667965
>post you face when you're not alexander

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>>376685375
Yet again another poster who just says dated and clunky without actually going into detail exactly why.

Camera and underwater segments are by far the most dated aspect of the game. Some people just can't get into the camera angles, fine, I can get that to an extent. First person underwater segments last maybe all but less of 5 minutes.

Combat though? Still perfectly fine and gives you all the tools required to mix things up. It's just far more direct in it's approach to combat, and enemies are far more aggressive.

Still also has the best levels, atmosphere and enemy design in the series bar none.

>>376684228
>>376684454
DMC4 had style switching, but literally everything else was done better in DMC3. Each standalone style was much more versatile in 3 because the game was designed around only having one available at any given time, Gilgamesh was a shittier clunkier version of Beowulf, and DMC3 had a way better selection of Devil Arms.

>>376663260
>Sigma
>not Black
Otherwise, great taste anon

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>>376663260
>Bayo2 over both Ninja Gaiden

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>>376664813

>>376685838
>best enemy design
>posts the most annoying enemy in the game which is immune to melee attacks until you go pew pew long enough for it to show its weak point.

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>>376686262

>>376686357
Doesn't take as many shots as Shadows, plus you can shoot faster in 3 than in 1.

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>>376686262
And yet recycled it for DMC4, really cracks the chestnuts.

>>376686262
Shadow is unironically the best enemy design in entirety of DMC series.

No wonder like half of DMC3 and DMC4 enemies are (inferior) iterations of it.

>>376682648
>I am because the game was entirely DESIGNED around that way of play
>high ranks barely ever encourage the best offenses
?

>>376683092
>there is no fucking difference between them and it just doesn't matter what you use
>Rodin isn't different from Pillowtalk which isn't different from SF
Did you play Bayonetta?

>>376683181
Pure Platinum isn't required for anything and you can use phone cheats to get Jeanne

>>376686452
two fully charged shots with guns with dismantle Shadow

what about 3? You can't even charge shoot without going to the closest statues to change your style to gunslinger? Well too bad.

>>376684228
>DMC4's combat is so absolutely godlike that even the rehashed second half is made up for.
>being this much of a combofag
>being impressed by things with no tactical value whatsoever
>defending the game with Nero in it

>>376686842
They all have the fucking same attack timings, range, damage, recovery frames. Difference is negligible and for all intents and purposes can be disregarded.

>>376685838
Yellow orb system is pretty archaic.

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>>376687203
>you will never be this much of a dmcfag

>>376687284
But the argument has nothing to do with dmc and never even mentions it?

>>376687325
reply chains

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>>376671598
>Bayonetta is faster than Ninja Gaiden

Holy fucking shit i am dying.

>>376687378
He's right you know

>>376687203
So you haven't played Bayonetta or even bothered to watch it, thanks for confirming you're retarded, though in retrospect that should have been apparent when you acted like non-combat parts mattered in action games.

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>>376687220
are for real

the most popular normie-tier """""action""""" game uses yellow orbs and in fact made it's main gimmick and so did dozen of "metoo" games that copy it

>>376687454
Souls doesn't force you to refight most everything and redo puzzles on death, nor is there anything as grueling as Mission 22.

>>376668779
you're not alexander.

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>>376687432
>He's right you know

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>>376687595
I got you senpai

>>376687441
>the parts I personally don't consider important don't matter at all and you can disregard them
Yeah yeah sure

>>376687691
:V

>>376687595
>Souls doesn't force you to refight most everything
are you for real hombre?

Are for fucking real or are we witnessing a new fucking level of trolling here?

>>376687432
No "he" isn't. Revenge of the Sith tier levels of shit happening on screen at the same time doesn't make it faster, it only gives the illusion that it's faster, that and the fact that you can spam to your hearths content. NG is constant stream of split second decisions, decisions that matter.

>>376687717
>I'm a retard that gets hung up on window dressing
No need to be redundant Anon.

>>376687841
spamming flying swallow or izuna drop isn't split second decision making

there's something about Bayonetta's art style that just makes me not have any desire to play the game.

I can't really pinpoint it. I enjoyed DMC3, DMC4, GODHAND, MGR, but even though I know that Bayonetta would probably be more of the same, it has a style that I really dislike.

>>376687710
I am 'gud', I don't see how forcing me to redo navigation bits and a shitty shmup boss is making me better.

>>376687806
>are you for real hombre?
Yes. You can run by pretty much every mob in Souls with zero issue, and some back to back boss fights don't require you to refight the first if you fail. That isn't true of DMC1.

>>376656275
that's a beatemup, not a hack and slash

>>376687910
The main character is an exaggerated slut that is pretty disgusting

>>376687906
>Spam Flying Swallow and Izuna Drop meme

Ah the classic. Thanks for confirming that you literally have never played these games. In fact i bet you're the same faggot i had this same discussion with days ago, it's hard to tell cause Platinum shit eaters are all the same

>>376688107
don't be mad cus it's true

>>376687910
you're just vagoophobic

it happens

>>376688006
just because you're punching people instead of cutting them doesn't make the genre that different anon

Remember

>MORE BEHEADING THAN A GUILLOTINE
>HEAD SLICER(head slicer!)

>>376688143
Excellent argument faggot, run along and stop embarrassing yourself

>>376688107
not that guy, but i played the games, and he's not wrong.
at least on starting difficulties.

>>376688196
izuna drop

and

flying

swallow

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>>376687984
>I am 'gud'
>Complaining about a fucking life system of all things

>>376688176
God Hand enemies have super inflated health totals, aerial combat is virtually nonexistent and you have very few ranged options outside the roulette.

>>376688031
Yeah confident, sexy, badass women are awful.

Bitch, get back to the kitchen and make me a sandwich.

>>376688225
Witch time

p k p

I can do the same.

>>376688273
>defending something that doesn't actually make the game more challenging
>just wastes time doing shit you already know how to do

>>376688371
there's a difficulty that gets rid of witch time and pkp doesn't get platinum combo

meanwhile izuna drop and flying swallow will still work on master ninja

ps bayo is faster on nsic i played both

>>376688305
>God Hand enemies have super inflated health totals

even the demons go down pretty fast if you know what you're doing(guard breaks, hitting right before they land their hits). The DMC series also has some pretty fucking spongey enemies, like the fucking spiders in DMC3.

I'll give you the aerial combat thing(it's there, but it's insanely hard to use well) and the ranged thing, though.

>>376688206
>at least on starting difficulties

Hello Action Game newfriend.

Even if it were to be true what is your argument? How does choosing to play like a complete faggot change the game design?

>>376688347
>literally showing herself off to everyone around
>confident strong and independent!

>>376688438
NSIC is a joke compared to NG2 Master Ninja.

Ranks are a specialty run condition and irrelevant when discussing vanilla difficulty.

>>376688206
There are a good bunch of enemies that just shit on flying swallow and izuna drop, even on normal. Just like Gracious and Glorious shit on witch time and pkp gets the job done even if it doesn't net you pure plats. And Bayo1 is not hard on starting difficulties either.

>>376688542
youre a fucking idiot
the game forces you to play on normal.
many of these games do that.

>>376688552
yeah but master ninja doesn't remove izuna drop and flying swallow

>>376688473
>even the demons go down pretty fast if you know what you're doing
Yeah, you can kill any mook pretty quick with High Side Kick wall lock, but that's the about the best DPS in the game outside the God Hand. Boss health totals get pretty ridiculous, especially in the arena.

>The DMC series also has some pretty fucking spongey enemies, like the fucking spiders in DMC3.
You can kill them in seconds with jump cancels/RG, not sure how Tempest works with their hurtbox.

But how about Nier Automata game mechanics?

>>376688718
And it's still way harder than NSIC. Bayonetta2stronk

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>>376688396
Legitimately the dumbest argument i've seen for DMC1. Here m8

>>376688783
being imbalanced is one thing, but overall it doesn't do anything new so it's irredeemable garbage

>>376688669
Shit as of Razor's Edge practically every enemy shits on FS and IZD and these moves can now only be reliably used once the enemy enters the bloody/broken armor stage. But your discussing fine details with someone who quite clearly never played these games

>>376688783
Taro made sure what good there was was well hidden behind RPG bullshit and bad shmups.

>>376688878
>bad shmup
that's in Bayonetta 2 and W101 too, though.

>>376688686
What i meant you fucking newfag is that anyone who's played any action game worth two shits knows that for the purpose of discussion the lower difficulties are irrelevant and just glorified training modes for the difficulty that implements all of the game's mechanics

>>376688783
There are none

>>376688976
And they're shit there too, but at least they're not OHKOs on the hardest difficulty that erase half an hour of progress.

>>376688742
Are you that one anon who actually figured out how to cheese in God Hand and was talking about scoring counterhits kicks into uppercut into guaranteed followups and shit?

I should've saved those posts, that was pretty insightful.

I fucked a girl who looks like Bayonetta. Good shit.

>>376689147
No, I'm not.

>>376687910
The main character is a walking fetish fuel, that might not sit well with you I guess.

Personally, I don't like the writing and the style/presentation.

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So what is the best boss fight from:

>Devil May Cry series
>Ninja Gaiden series
>Bayonetta series

?

And rank them against each other.