>this game is just reskinned persona 4 Why hasn't /v/

Persona 4 did not have canon anal

>>376648650
>A sequel to a game shares common elements

WHODA FUCKING THUNK IT

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>>376648650
Because the gameplay isn't hot garbage like in Persona 4.

>>376649946
Shut up..........

>>376648715

wut

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Shitposting is just getting flat out desperate

Persona 4 was just a 3 reskin. 5's got a lot of improvements, something a sequel ought to do.

>>376649946
"Let's change everything fans like to appeal to a larger demographic!" - A western developer probably

>>376650179
4's combat was even simpler than 3's by simplifying physical damage types down to one.

>>376650319
And making it so that missing was no longer punished.

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>>376650030
Neither are the characters and story.

>Persona 4
>A bunch of teenagers crying about the world being unfair because of their asinine bullshit problems

>Persona 5
>A whole cast of people who have actually been fucked hard by society rebelling against it

Adachi was right, and P5 validated him.

>>376650179
Persona 4 threw a shitload of mechanics into the dumpster and the story was an even bigger mess because while P3 has some good moments P4 is just dumb bullshit the entire time

game was a mistake. you can tell because 3 and 5 both took several years to make while 4 was shat out in about a year as a cashgrab

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>>376650136

>>376650559
Yeah Persona 4's """story""" was pretty bad when you really start to think about it.

>>376651752

Vicious Foe

Persona 5 was designed for people who didn't play P3 and P4 and rode the hype train
Minimal changes to the formula to not piss off longtime fans and drastic changes to the artstyle to appeal the newcomers
It's a win-win situation, there's no complaining

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Atleast it's not this game
>First game was a trashy yet fun Yakuza clone
>Sequel throws it out of the window and fucks off with whatever made it remotely enjoyable

>>376652351
>Persona 5 was designed for people who didn't play P3 and P4
and yet it's superior to P3 and P4 in every way imaginable.

Also, it's very obviously more pandering to the SMT crowd than anything else.

>>376652659
P3 is still the king when it comes to final boss/ending but they can't do something like that again without it feeling hokey

>>376650559
I mean, the bigger issue was that he was actively trying to turn everybody into a shadow. His outlook on life was definitely more refined than the main cast, but he did still try to do the same thing that yaldabaoth did.

Whether you agree with him or not, in the context of the narrative he was still an active evil doer.

>>376651813
>killer has no evidence to tie him to his crimes
>immediately buckles under pressure from some kids
>said kids made absolutely no progress on the case until naoto came along

Yeah, P4 sure had some terrible writing.
I will say that it's going to be hard going back to either 3 or 4 after 5, though. Sure, the one-button stealth is a little lackluster, but it added gameplay where there previously was next to none. And if it reinvigorates interest in SMT3 Nocturne, all the better.

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>>376652757
>P3 is still the king when it comes to final boss
Yes how could someone forget this.

>>376652757
Shooting the Demiurge in the face with Satan was quite satisfying, though.
Lavenza and the whole Igor plot, while predictable were also really nice.

>>376652953
that's better than the boring cakewalk the final boss in the games after is. I was talking more about the story/aesthetic though.

>>376653047
P5 was quite good and certainly better than the "no it was ME who was behind it all, honest, also I'm literally a god hows it going" asspull in p4 but it's still not the same

>>376652816
Adachi used murder as an outlet for his feelings, and that was wrong. But his outlook wasn't.

Also, you're mixing up Adachi's motivations with Ameno-Sagiri's.

>>376653160
> no it was ME who was behind it all, honest, also I'm literally a god hows it going

Ya talkin about marie ? If so yeah she's a late addition on the Golden edition and as much, of course she isn't going to blend in easily with the original plot. But yeah i agree that was mediocre at best.

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>>376650559
They really should have just told him to fuck off because whether he's right or wrong, it doesn't justify murder. Instead they just throw insults at him and tell him he's wrong without saying why and then the game presents it like the IT is right by having Adachi get pissed. The writing of the game falls apart in loads of ways once Nanako is hospitalized and it never really recovers.

>>376653160
The entirety of P3 is a build-up to the ending, you spend most of the game climbing a tower without knowing what's on top, that's a pretty awesome way to write a game actually
P5 has a much more tight plot, and the narrative peak is the Casino arc when Joker's testimony finally reaches to the present. Everything after is a mere epilogue

>>376653440
No, I'm talking about izanami aka the fourth or fifth "totally real culprit behind the strange stuff in inaba"

>>376653160
>I was talking more about the story/aesthetic though
I really adore the whole prison imagery, it's so well done, because it doesn't just reference what is happening when you first see it in multiple different ways, it also is a snapshot of the entire endgame plot well in advance.

>it's still not the same
Because the entire theme is different.
The overarching theme isn't Memento Mori, but something much more upbeat, without being overbearing.

The social commentary in P5 is extremely depressing, though.

>>376652757
Like hell it is. Nyx avatar felt lazy as fuck with the phase changes that made it unnecessarily long. Would have been great if he actually had physical changes but nope.

Also generic jesus end powered by friendship. It's hard to swallow how door-kun, even how great the game makes him to be, is an equal to death itself. Like how he found the meaning of life in ONE year. He gives his life away and everything is daijobu. Those are the worse kinds of ending.

>>376653047
I loved how they tied it into Igor's voice actor change. That shit was great.
>>376653572
The best part of the plot was definitely the Casino arc, but I don't know if I'd call taking care of Chairman Aznable epilogue. Now duking it out with a cup? Yeah, I don't know what the fuck was going on there.

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>>376653572
I appreciate that about P3, but in a game of it's length I don't think the pay off is worth it, despite that pay off being very good. The game is a pain to play through and large portions of it are forgettable slogs, and while I do believe that was intentional in some regards, and I respect that the developers tried to do something different with the game, I think it made the game worse overall.

>>376650559
They are two different teams with different problems though.

>>376654004
The P4 team didn't have problems.

>>376650559
>crying about the world being unfair
>a bunch o people have been killed in a weird alternate reality
>lets investigate gang!
>crying
???

>>376654084
They had internal conflicts that they needed to accept.

>>376653858
>I loved how they tied it into Igor's voice actor change. That shit was great.
It was really nice, because at first you're like, "Oh yeah, the guy is dead, so they got someone else to play him".
But the more you talk to Igor, the more you realize, he's way pushier than usually. And that something is up with the Twins the more you progress in their social link.

You can easily guess that something is up, but at least I was always in this state of disbelief, "there's no way they'd do this" and then they did.

>>376654084
Except Kanji. Dat nigga had problems.

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>>376654158
Or you could just have noticed that he didn't do any of the fusions.

>>376648715
Devil s-link in p4

>>376654158
I had to check the older games to confirm that "welcome to MY velvet room" was actually different

>>376654279
I ascribed it to the prison imagery, I was way too enamored with it.

>>376654293
Didn't catch that one.

>>376648650
no 4 is a reskinned 3

quit being such a bitter little botwfag

>>376653160

Are you seriously calling Nyx harder than Yaldabaoth ? That's straight up ridiculous

Nyx is the easiest final boss in probably all of SMT Doesn't even actively tries to kill you, just throws some status effect aoes and hopes for the best

>>376653630

Third/Fourth depending on if you count adachi and his god as separate

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>>376654150
>internal conflicts
The only persona in P4 with an actual internal conflict was Hanako.

>>376654575
The Strength confidant breaks the difficulty of P5, Yaldabaoth was a joke for me even on Hard.

>>376654697

That doesn't matter, Nyx is still easier

You don't need to break P3 you just need a party member with mediarahan

>>376654575
How is Yaldabaoth hard?
Protagonist with a decent Magic/Physical persona, Debilitate and Ryuji for attack buffs and Charge, Makoto for defense buffs, Mediarahan and Ann for Concentrate.

Strength confidant makes the entire game trivial, though.

>>376654817
>Using Ann that late in the game
Kek
Haru consistently out damages her with One Shot Kill and has much more versatile skill set.

>>376654956
One Shot Kill is single target and a Concentrate Maragidyne hits harder than two Triple Downs.

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>>376652904
>>said kids made absolutely no progress on the case until naoto came along

>>376654956

>haru
>versatile

not if you want the damage she isn't
literally 1-2 free slot depending on if you keep mapsiodyne

>>376654690
Mitsuo, namatame (doesn't say he is but the characters think he is and act as such), adachi, ameno, izanami

>>376655046
It also costs a lot of SP, Ann is trash.

>>376650559
Which is why the only good characters in P4 are Kanji and Rise

Also Dojima and Nanako but that's a given.

>>376655209
>he didn't buy a full set of SP Adhesive 3

>>376654956
>>376655209
haru can be higher tier AND worse for the final boss at the same time

like how generally yusuke is worse than ryuji starting from around palace 3/4 but him and morgana or haru throwing crit-heavy moves and then baton passing is a really strong strategy vs the 4 archangels at the end that ryuji can't really deal with (till he gets charge near the end of that area, anyway)

>>376655196

Mitsuo really doesn't count

>>376654956
>>376655124
>>376655209
>>376655278
>>376655343

>they don't use party member swap to let everyone participate
haha
how to spot a

>>376655517
There's no need, tho.
Just swap your healer out once he's out of SP.

>P5 has all these cool new battle mechanics
>No need to use any of them

>>376655625
i rather swap everyone and not break my immersion about someone slacking in the final showdown.

>>376652904
>said kids made absolutely no progress on the case until naoto came along
What progress did Naoto make apart from pointing out that Mitsuo was a copycat killer? I mean Naoto was such an idiot she didn't even set up a camera for the her planned abduction and she didn't realize Namatame wasn't the killer, Yu did all the while Naoto was arguing for him to be tossed into the TV and murdered like a good law abiding citizen.

Your waifu a shit.

>>376652953
>Not just using Armageddon on his last form.
You did this to yourself.

P5's writing was also sloppy, particularly when it came to the all important death defying act of Joker that hinged completely on Sae managing to somehow sneak him out of a full police station unnoticed when she's just a fucking prosecutor.

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>>376648650
Name a good sequel that isn't just a re skin of the previous game.

>>376656573

How is that a stretch considering Goro and Shido already prepared the place so that there's be no witnesses once they made their move

>>376656716
Persona 3

>>376648650
Either you haven't played either P4 or P5 or you're massively fucking retarded.

>dungeons that are handcrafted and not procedurally generated
>demons as enemies
>hold-up and demon conversations
>guns
>nuke and psi
>baton pass
>confidants that give (mostly) very useful gameplay bonuses, not just fusion EXP
etc

>>376656573
She just had to get him out of the room inside the shadow world, nothing more.
Not to mention >>376656763

>>376655246
>Tfw I like the most disliked characters in the game because of their antics.

It can't be helped.

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DON'T FUCK WITH THIS PRIME MINISTER

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>all this shitting on P4 cast yet pretending P5 cast isn't garbage itself

Wew. Out of those 2 games i can't fathom how you think either one is good unless you're desperate to be a fanboy

>>376657124
>It's a "P3tween says stupid shit" episode

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>>376657124
What an ironic post.

>P4 and P5 still following the same story structure

>still fail to flesh characters past their arcs in main story

>still dependent on MC

>still doing retarded shit like having late party members except even worse in 5 since the bitch doesn't do anything

>females still have the worst s links overall

>still having a terrible final boss track

>still insisting on one dimensional villains

P4 was just a 2 year hash job after 3.

5 took 8 years with the largesr budget and still fell for the same shit

>>376648650
>this game is just reskinned reskinned persona 3
What did he mean by this?

>>376652351
Best part is that it weeds out P4G fags that can't handle it not being native to a handheld device and that the game isn't a pleasant and goofy vacation.

>>376657000
There are other characters who are fun like Chie, Yukiko, even Teddie. But those 4 were the only main characters that were properly fleshed out, I think.

Yosuke and Naoto are overall terrible.

Are Persona 3 and 4 really good games that are worth playing on emulators?

>>376648650
More like a Midnight Animal reskin. Didn't even bother hiding it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0skC8mR5sQ

>>376648650
Elaborate

>>376657668
Yeah, but they'll be difficult to go back to after P5. Also, the best version of P4 is exclusive to the Vita.

>>376648650
Half life 2 is just a resk

>>376657668
3 yes
4 not as much

>>376650148
>no one is appreciating this excellent pun
It's times like this I remember this board is full of actual children.

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>>376657753
>P4G
>Best version

>>376657668
Yes, but they feel really clunky and unpleasant to play after P5.
Persona 5 is, more than anything else, really, really polished.

>>376650351
But that was good. It was stupid to be punished for something that was out of your control.

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>>376657859
The upgrades to the fusion system alone make it the best version, Marie or no.

>>376657859
She's easily ignorable and there are plenty of improvements unrelated to Marie. Just put up with her shitty poetry a couple of times and you won't have to hear from her again.

>>376657934
>that was out of your control.
So you don't know what Sukukaja does? Good to know.

>>376657859
Marie and Chie's new voice are hardly enough to stop Golden from being the best version of the game

>>376657859
There are people who unironically think Marie's arc is Atlus best work.

>>376658091
>You should put sukukaja on to stop missing half of all physical moves against trash mobs.
BOY THIS IS SO CHALLENGING AND REWARDING. Why not go ahead and make all your moves take you down to half health too, that's challenging and more fun.

>>376658091
>cast this buff every 3 turns or be punished
BEST GAMEPLAY

>>376658127
Yeah, especially considering Chie's new voice is an improvement.

>>376658237
You don't miss half of your attacks without Sukukaja, not an argument.

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>>376658271
Do you honestly think anyone believes you really think that?

>>376657668
The daily life segments are superior in 3/4 because you actually need to plan out your schedule if you want max out all Slinks first playthrough and money is harder to obtain at the beginning, but the actual dungeon gameplay is the best out of all 5 games in P5 even if it is the easiest game in the series besides P2:IS

>>376658350
A kid voice is better than an old hag 30 year old talking

>>376658350
People who think that a chipmunk voice suits an energetic tomboy more than a fifty year old woman's voice believe that.

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>>376658453
XDDD

>>376655517
HOW TO SPOT A WHAT, ANON? WHAT ARE YOU SPOTTING?

Half the time I see someone diss P4G outside of Marie it sounds like they haven't even played it.

Do multiple invigorates stack?

>>376658369
>even if it is the easiest game in the series besides P2:IS
I'd argue that normal encounters in 5 are actually harder than those in 3 and 4 but boss fights are far easier.

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>>376658608
>boss fights are far easier.
t. played on Safe

>>376648650
Because Persona 4 was /v/'s favourite game and now there's a S.Link Persona game that's better than it.

>>376658743
*spams rampage and vicious strike*
*magics mouth to death*

>>376658127
chie's new dub voice is one of the only good dub voices i have ever heard in my entire life

>>376658743
Spam swift strike.
Slap his lips with some magic.
Go for an all out attack.
You win.

>>376658743
I only died to him once. I don't know if that makes him hard or easy for this franchise.

>>376648650
Except its more boring and worse than p4

Man i thought it was just shitposters trying to make the game a tortanic like every other new game. But the game was boring and disappointing as fuck. Finished it last night after not playing it for 2 weeks, just forced myself to finish.

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>>376658853
Weird, I think her new dub voice is fucking garbage and I think people who complained about her old voice have hearing problems.

>>376658743
I'm playing on Normal and I just finished the spaceport palace and haven't had any trouble with the bosses yet. Definitely easier bosses this time around, at least so far.

>>376658608
I would disagree. I never had any trouble in this game compare to P4/G on Very Hard, or 3 on hard. 5 simply gives you too many options in battle (and out of battle) compare to the previous ones.

>>376648650
>Persona 2 is just a reskinned Persona 1
>Persona 3 is just a reskinned Persona 2
>Persona 4 is just a reskinned Persona 3

>>376658897
#Notyourhappygoluckysmalltownvacationgame

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>>376658897
>worse than p4
Nice try falseflagger, you would have to a actively go out of your way to make a worse game than P4.

>>376658978
Get out before you get spoiled.
Seriously, now is the time

>>376658970
Her original voice was off putting to me at first, but it grew on me over the course of the first few hours of the game. I never was able to adjust to the new voice, it just irritated me the entire time.

>>376658897

I'm not sure how you can call it worse than 4 when it improves a lot from it gameplay wise and has some better characters

>>376658970
that's not weird, you having shit taste is completely expected

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>>376658978
>I'm playing on Normal

>>376659080
I'm honestly not concerned with spoilers. I had 4 spoiled for me a solid year before I even played it, and it didn't detract from my experience at all. The main story is almost incidental in these games, IMO, the main draw is the interactions between the characters and their individual stories.

>>376659076
Whats this supposed to be mean? am i supposed to get mad at this? kek

>>376659138
the gameplay was fine in p4 and no character except the main character is better in p5.

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>>376659128
Same. It just didn't sound like something that would come out of Chie's mouth.
Naoto got some rough treatment in the P4 anime dub. I couldn't stand her new voice in that.
Her original voice is by far the best.

>>376659182
There is absolutely nothing wrong with playing on Normal on an SMT game

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>>376659138
>has some better characters

Not him but go list me those "better" characters.

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>>376659182
>I can't play games on the difficulty they were intended to be played

>>376658897
>more boring and worse than p4

Probably some of the laziest critic I've seen on /v/. How did it get so many (You)'s?

>>376659289
In an SMT game? No because Hard is just artificial difficulty but in Persona combat is far too easy on Normal to where it just becomes a brainless nuisance.

>>376659351
He posted the (You)s himself

>>376659351
Bad bait is the best bait. I could probably get plenty of replies if I said P4 is better because the characters are more gooder.

>>376659239
>Whats this supposed to be mean?
That had of Persona 4 and 3 for that matter are miserable slogs, no idea how anyone can genuinely prefer those games to 5 unless you're a masochist.

>>376659182
There is nothing wrong with playing on normal, ever.

>>376659379
Doesn't Hard just raise enemy health and attack damage? Not exactly what I would call good tactical stakes. It just makes you need to grind a little more.

>>376659606
I assumed it added enemies as well considering how many empty rooms there are in the palaces on Normal

>>376659606
It makes each individual turn have far more weigh to the overall battle compared to normal because buffs become a lot more important and it makes the high risk/high reward nature of the system a lot more prominent and probably the best compensation for the rank 10 Strength bonus.

>>376659606
it makes you do slightly less damage and actually makes it possible for enemies to maybe possibly kill you if you fuck up. If you need to grind at all on hard you're fucking garbage.

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>>376659817
>If you need to grind at all on hard you're fucking garbage.
Uh oh, we got an internet tough guy here. Better not mess with him, guys!

>>376659898
I just really hate this fucking meme of "you just have to grind more" as if grinding is some kind of requirement and enemies being remotely threatening is a bad thing.

>>376659505
Whats a slog to you isnt a slog for everyone else

Not everyone plays games to look up guides online to progress to get e cred from some anonymous fuckheads. The levels in 5 feel the same as 4, just more running around back and forth. Sometimes all you want to do is team up, beat on some enemies, find some treasure chests, and carry on. Ill tell you what was a slog to me ok? Having to waste days going to the entrance of a place just to "scope it out" (every place). Tons of pointless repetitive dialogue in the middle of dungeons, which breaks what persona is (half combat/half story and social links, when you get tired of one you do the other, also applies to every place). Very tedious levels (space station, casino, crusier ship, mementos which somehow manages to be more drab than tartarus).

P5 isnt immune from criticism, nor is the perfect game that all you faggots are saying it is. Sure it does some things better than previous games such as the gameplay, but pretty much everything else sucks

>>376659715
>>376659786
>>376659817
I guess I'll try Hard then. Thanks anons.

>>376659898
He's right though, MegaTen games with the exception of DDS are designed so that grinding is never required outside of optional content.

>>376659606
If you need to grind in a JRPG you should not be allowed to play video games. In fact if you need to grind at all in a video game, you shouldn't be allowed to play anything.

>>376659239

And 5 improves on the gameplay what's your point? Or are you seriously trying to defend randomly generated dungeons and social links that offer no perks other than arcana burst experience? YOUou lso have uality of life improvements in interface which directly addresses some complaints from the previous titles. Also the main characters in 4 were downright terrible, except arguably Kanji. The rest are either boring, obnoxious or just useless. I'm not saying p5 have some stellar characters either, you have wasted potential like Ann,Akechi and Haru, or near perfect mary sues like Makoto,but as stand alone characters they're infinitely more appealing.

>>376657859
marie is fine in the game though

it's only the anime where she's bad

>>376660051
What if you just like getting huge?

>>376660010
You could also do Normal for palaces so that they're easier to go through and then turn it to Hard when you get to a boss so it's more of a challenge. The bosses are pretty pathetic in terms of difficulty.

>>376660179
I never said you couldn't grind, just that it's never required for the story content. And if you want to get huge the Reaper on flu days makes that pretty easy to achieve.

>>376660146
>YOUou lso
Are you okay Anon?

>>376660179
then it doesn't what difficulty you're on because you're going to shit on everything anyway.

>>376658743
I played on normal and the only boss I died against was futabas because she managed to give despair to all 4, everything was pretty straight foward

>>376659214
Then you should stop playing. The Confidant stories are almost all terrible and the interactions between the main cast are somehow even worse. And that's not even mentioning the god awful group text conversations that constantly pop up and are almost all exactly the same.

>>376652382
Was the cartoon of pacific origin any good?

>>376660194
I've found both the Palaces and bosses to be pretty easy. I was just wary of Hard because I heard that it just turned everything into a damage sponge. But I guess I whoever told me that was wrong.

>>376660516

Yoshida, Kawakami, Takemi and Iwai's stories are pretty good

>>376660516
>DO YOU THINK WE'LL CHANGE HIS HEART?
>We'll have to wait and see
Fast forward to the next palace.
>DO YOU THINK WE'LL CHANGE HIS HEART?
>We'll have to wait and see
Fast forward to the next palace.
>DO YOU THINK WE'LL CHANGE HIS HEART?
>We'll have to wait and see

Who the fuck approved of the group chats and thought they were a good idea?

>>376660582
I think hard reduces your damage by like 20%. As long as you keep your personas up to date, you'll barely notice it.

>>376660582
>I heard that it just turned everything into a damage sponge.
Barely and I like said earlier each move has a lot more weight to it and it capitalizes on the whole "risk and reward" nature of the Turn Press/One More that is rather absent if you play on Normal. Really though most of the confidant bonuses make this game pretty trivial in the later parts.

>>376660628
Agreed, Yoshida and Iwai's were my favorites and Yoshida's bonus was cash.

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>>376657461
>>still having a terrible final boss track

>>376657668
If you're gonna play one of them go for 4
/v/ will try to tell you otherwise but 4 is the better game in both story and gameplay

>>376660648
WHOA DID YOU GUYS CHECK THE PHANSITE!? THE PHANTOM THIEVES ARE STARTING TO BECOMING FAMOUS
>repeat for several months

>>376656716
>>376656808

rekt

>>376660146
>social links that offer no perks other than arcana burst experience
Slink abilities are actually inferior to standard exp bursts. They actively break the game balance and turn it into a cakewalk. P6 should reduce the amount of abilities you get and overall reduce the effectiveness of them.

>>376657668
Yes.
I'd recommend the Persona 2 duology too. IS is super easy, but it's a damn good story.

I remember when people used to do social links just for the experience and sake of completion instead of just looking for whichever one gave the most broken skills.

>>376650559
>Persona 5
>A whole cast of people who have actually been fucked hard by society rebelling against it

What Persona 5 does where every villain is twirling his mustache thinking about what extortion, rape, abuse, etc. they are gonna do this weekend and that you had to write in a super hacker 12 year old to facilitate actually winning against a corrupt shadow government. Saying the latter is better and not about teenage bullshit is like having characters get raped will suddenly make said characters deep. Persona 5's story is definitely in league with Persona 4 in being garbage.

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>>376661035
>overall reduce the effectiveness of them.
And not make some so laughably bad their effects aren't actively abhorrent.

>>376660993
>1000 mini cutscenes of random people gossiping about the thing you literally just did.

Wow such immersion

>>376661035

Those are called rewards anon. The only arguably "broken" confidant skills are repeated negotiation chains, access to sp adhesives and Affinity Fortune telling.

>>376661220
Good job missing the point. The point was that P4's party's problems are stupid bullshit while the P5 characters actually have to deal with real injustice and powerlessness. Whether the villains are highly exaggerated is irrelevant.

>>376661318
>tfw people judge her social link purely on the merit of what abilities she gives, ignoring whatever story it had
That's the cancer P5 brought in.

>>376661460
If I could play a modern persona game without any social links in the game at all, I would.
Now fuck off.

>>376661035
I think the Slink abilities were fine, the biggest problem was that some Slinks were waaaaay better than others.

>Ohya's is actually detrimental.

>>376661460
Yoshida had both a good story and good benefit, no reason they couldn't have done the same with Ohya.
Reduction of palace awareness is laughably bad and is bad if you're going for Treasure Demons.

>>376661578
You need to go back

>>376661578
Anon that's just SMT

>>376661363
Wrong. Moon, Star, STR, Hermit, Hiero, and Temp all give abilities that literally break the entire game.

Persona 5 is the first Persona for Babys

>>376661383
Already addressed your point, my character is better because he was powerless and got raped by a black man as an orphan hurr. And the point isn't even true, not that it matters, because it was really just MC and Futaba in the main cast.

>>376661692
I also forgot Fortune's.

>>376661692
>Moon
>Breaks the game
That's just implementing something that all JRPGs have been doing for quite some time. There's nothing fun about needing to grind for someone because they're underlevelled.

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>>376661220
Persona 5 uses rape as a plot device more than SAO.

That's a special level of bad.

>>376661692

Moon is ok. Star is fair. Hierophant is also fair considering its blocked in progression early on. Temperance is fair.

Strength is the most broken, while Sun, Fortune and Death are some of the borderline ones. Sun's repeated negotiations net you a ton of money and skillcards, but not really enough to break the game. Death allows you to go for 1 day Palace runs,and that's really stretching it even on the first playthrough. Fortune gives you affinity and notes for 0 time spent but still pretty hard to max out everything on the first playthroug and the fact that you have to waste 2-3, nights just to start her link

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>>376661383
>>376650559
>A bunch of teenagers crying about the world being unfair because of their asinine bullshit problems
>P4's party's problems are stupid bullshit
I don't understand at all so please explain to me. P4 cast doesn't hate society or have any problems with adults like the P5 cast. There classmates and friends are being kidnapped and they don't want them to die so they confront the problem and solve it. I don't see how any of that is stupid bullshit or them being crybabies. P4 cast is just reacting to the bullshit that's happening to them while P5 cast is actually causing all the bullshit.

>>376661779
>my character is better because he was powerless and got raped by a black man as an orphan hurr

Do you really think this counts as "addressing the point"?

>>376661779
>because it was really just MC and Futaba in the main cast.
Nigger what? You don't think Ann, Ryuji, and Shiho were victims of injustice?

>>376661842
Post Persona 3 isn't like other JRPG's. There's a reason 3 and 4 didn't allow you to swap party members during battle or when exploring. I also again forgot Tower with Electric Slug.

>>376661578
That's like every other SMT game out there. Infact you have more games catering to that need than persona fags do for theirs.

>>376661943
You do realize that the kind of stuff Kamoshida and the Yakuza boss pull in this game actually happens in Japan all the time right? A game using real world examples of abuse to raise the stakes doesn't count as emotional manipulation.

>>376661947
>Star is fair
Swapping party turns the game into a joke. You can easily max out all Confidants first playthrough and run through the palaces in 1 day on Merciless mode.

The blue lolis want me to get Matador with Maguru. Where the hell can I get that spell?
I was already going to get him using Jack Frost and Agathion, and now this shit is ruining my plans.
I'm right before the second boss.

>>376648650
I don't think you understand what reskin means.

>>376662458
http://twinfinite.net/2017/04/persona-5-matador-with-magaru-how-get/

>>376662273
Haru's fiance being a generic rapist edgy is pretty bad too.

Just because it's "realistic" means it's not cringy hamfisted drama.

>>376662069
If it's about helplessness. Ann and Ryuji = say no. They are not great characters because bad shit happened to them. Or else my OC Donut steel character who is an orphan and got raped by black men is better than every character in SMT history. He's about to be raped for 400,000 words until his tragic death where he then is raped in the afterlife too by his parents killers (!). These characters problems are bs compared to him. And realistic, this happens in Africa like every day.

>>376662573
Thanks a ton, pal.

>>376662205
>>376661686
>>376661641
I'm not playing handheld shit.

>>376662613
But I don't think it's about the drama. I mean it kind of is. But it's more that these people are using their positions of power to corrupt society and abuse individuals. And people in power do sexual abuse under age girls a lot. I think it's less about "Oh no I need to save my poor waifu from rape" and more "wow our society is pretty fucked up right?". Which is the whole theme of the game. It just sounds like you're saying rape in a story is automatically edgy and ham-fisted. Which isn't fair.

>>376650559
>A whole cast of people who have actually been fucked hard by society
lol ok bro

>>376663015
The first 3 SMT were on handhelds?

>>376663087
>He hasn't seen the bad ends.

>>376662414
Swapping turns is a waste of MC's turn. By the time you get Togo system, you shouldn't have any problems with trash mobs. It's useful for bosses though. The best ability she can offer apart from it is escape without wasting a turn

>>376662710
>Ann and Ryuji = say no.
Oh that's a great solution dude, why didn't they think of that? Hang on, they did, and it was a stupid idea because he was holding Shiho's future hostage.

>>376661947
Fortune is disgustingly broken.
>I don't think our relationship will get closer soon
>lolnevermind

>>376654575
he's not wrong yaldbaoth was a fucking joke seigfried tore through his ass like it was nothing I didn't even use the strength's arcana broken ability either

>>376663293
I've played all the SMT's on consoles.
Unless you're going to give me a new console SMT, let me play Persona how I want in peace.

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>>376663626
>Unless you're going to give me a new console SMT
Got you covered.

>>376663293
>>376663015
The first 4 are available on handhelds, but not exclusive
1, 2 PS1, PSP
2-2 PS1 only in NA
3 PS2, PSP
4 PS2, Vita

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>>376663626
>new console SMT
Leave Persona to me

>>376663626
>He doesn't know.

>>376663457

She grants you virtually 1 note per reading, and unless you always pick the best answer per confidant time, you're gonna have to spend 2-3 days just to make them progress without the lull periods.

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>>376663783
Leave Persona to me.

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>>376663783
>>376663725
If it's on switch, I'm still not gunna bother. Such a stupid, gimmicky bullshit console jesus christ.

I feel like I'm asking the impossible for a mainline SMT on PC or playstation.

>>376663415
Ultimately, she transferred schools anyway so that was an option. It's definitely statutory rape what Kamoshida did. But we have to refer to the character who actually did get raped and has maybe 20 min of screen time in 100 hr game. Ryuji did not have to attack Kamoshida and get blown out. Ann can say no, or it's some hentai tier plot to have her get raped by a creepy guy in place of her friend/so she doesn't get benched off a sports team.

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>>376663830
It has always worked that way for me so far. I just assumed it skipped downtime.

>>376661318
>>376661579
what's wrong with ohya's abilities? i mean i never used her dumb news stories but how are they bad?

>>376663928
>Such a stupid, gimmicky bullshit console jesus christ.
Please point to the place on this doll where the ebil Switch touched you.

>>376664140
They're only relevant if you're shit at the game.

>>376648650
because this is how all the SMT persona games have been.

Only newfriends are the ones who don't realize 5 is like 4, and 4 is like 3. and 3 is like the other 3 ( or however many sub discs there are )

>>376664140
Because Treasure Demons are more likely to appear with a higher alert rate and even without that the stealth is so generous in this game that it's pretty useless since it's hard to get caught except for some areas like the airlock sections in Okumura's. Then you compare it to the good ones especially Strength, Sun or Death and you realize how bad it is.

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>>376664164
Right... here.

>>376660648
Yeah, I'd rather everybody just line up like robots during lunchtime and tell me to meet with them.

>>376663830
I thought she gave 2. Still, Luck and Affinity readings make maxing all stats and Confidants way too easy.

>>376664140
Ohya's abilities just decrease the security levels in Palaces, and by Rank 10 they won't increase at all. Which kind of useless since it's almost impossible for security levels to be a danger for you.
To farm Treasure Demons in Palaces you need to have your security level up. Ohya's Social Link downright hinders that.
Beelzebub is a total bro though, so I don't see what people are complaining about.

>>376663928
You're loss. I'll be enjoying the latest SMT 2-3 years from now.

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>>376664538
>No Death Flies
He's shit anon.

>>376663747
I forgot that 2-2, 3, and 4 are also available on ps3

>>376658743
He was easy on normal mode

Who had the best persona awakening?

>>376664526

She gives 1 I believe. 2 is by getting a reading and carrying a persona of the same arcana

>>376664773
Makoto

>>376664773
Joker, no doubt. Ryuji a close second.

>>376664018
>Ultimately, she transferred schools anyway so that was an option.
Transfer away from the school with the prestigious volleyball team in the middle of the year, to another school where Kamoshida would see to it that her reputation follows her and ruins her chances there too. You know, just like what happens with the MC and his criminal record making him an outcast.
You're saying what they could have not done, now tell us what they actually could have done.

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>>376664894
DUDE PHANTOM THIEVES LMAO

>>376662458
just use a treasure demon retard

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>>376664773
I liked Makoto's most, Ryuji and Yusuke's are up there too.

>>376650559
ADACHI ALWAYS WINS BAYBEEEEE

>>376664917
>where Kamoshida would see to it that her reputation follows her and ruins her chances there too.

Supposition. And you ignore conveniently that she did do it after all, and are saying they "could not" or "should not."

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They shoulda just released the game on PS3 years ago instead of making a PS3 quality game.

And made actual Persona 6 with the graphics they use during the Cutscenes.

Instead we got Persona 4.5 the game. With no real advances that made it feel any different than the PS2 era games, asides from the Network stuff.

worst part is you gotta wait 10 years for persona 6, and by then most people in this thread will have offed themselves or finally grown up. and those that haven't will be stuck with true suffering of a Persona game intended for the PS4 released on the PS6 in 2027

>>376664845
>>376665121
Makoto calling Kaneshiro a money grubbing bastard is great in every language.

>>376665532
>No real advancements
>What are dungeons

>>376665445
>Supposition.
It's entirely supported by the events of the game.
>she did do it after all
Yeah, after Kamoshida had his change of heart and confessed.

Good job not answering the question.

>>376665831
Shit except for Castle and Casino.

>>376663087
>Joker has been falsely accused of assault by a corrupt politician. Expelled from his school and already labeled as a criminal in his new school.
>Ryuji has a shit father and tried to make life for his depressed mother easier by getting a track scholarship. Komoshida ruins his chance by abusing and talking shit about the track team, along with breaking his leg. His old friends now forever blame him for ruining the track team.
>Ann's best friend future in volleyball is forever ruined by Komoshida's threats to remove her position. Ann is sexually harassed and threatened by Komoshida to sleep with him or having her best friend's dreams ruined. Ann refuses as Komoshida sexually harasses and abuses her best friend. She attempts suicide as Ann feels nothing but blame for herself. The school ignores Komoshida because "he was a true winner in society"

I can go on and on. But I don't see how P5 is in line with P4, everyone labels the P5 cast as thugs or sluts. P4 never did this, everyone had to suck Yu's dick.

>>376665879
>What is the Museum

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>>376665831
Sorry bub, it's got the same story structure, so really it's nothing more than a mod of Persona 4.

>>376665969
>so really it's nothing more than a mod of Persona 4.

10/10 bait. I had no choice but to reply.

>>376664773
Joker and Makoto are a tie for me.

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>>376665891
>everyone had to suck Yu's dick.
It's really just this faggot.

>>376665876
>It's entirely supported by the events of the game.

Kamoshida has connections at all the schools to ruin her chances of being on a volleyball team out of spite and he was gonna do it instead of just sexually harass some other girl? I'll await the proof.

>>376666196
I thought it was charming having Yosuke on your side at all times. He believed in you because you helped him out so much, meanwhile everyone else just shits on him and makes him pay for everything.
He gives respect to those who deserve it, and the rest of the team hasn't done much to get his respect.

>>376665915
short and boring, why are you shilling it so hard?

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>>376666120
No, they're the same game. Quite frankly, I think if I was playing P5, then took a short break and in that time someone swapped the game with P4, I wouldn't even notice the difference.

>>376665532
>you gotta wait 10 years for persona 6,
We won't. This is Atlus were talking about.

>>376666276
Kamoshida was the one who leaked the MC's criminal record at the start of the game, causing the entire school to ostracise him. It wouldn't take much for him to see rumours spread at Shiho's new school.
You also fail to realise that being ostracised at the new school is only half the problem. The reason she didn't want to leave in the first place was because of their school's reputation for its volleyball team, which she wouldn't get elsewhere. This might come as a shock to you, but just packing up and leaving for somewhere else is not good for one's life ambitions, and it's an injustice that she should be forced to in the first place. It also doesn't help your argument that Shiho running away to another school so that Kamoshida can start harassing some other girl in her place is the best idea you have.

>>376666415
And the Castle wasn't?

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>>376666196
Ahem.

>>376666276
All Kamoshida had to do was get her expelled for some nasty bullshit and there goes her chances. The whole point of the arc was that Kamoshida could get away with whatever he wanted. I really don't know why your being so friggin pedantic here.

>>376666583
the castle is one of the longest and most complicated dungeons, are you fucking stupid?

>>376650559

That picture is the ultimate troll image.

>If I just greentext all of the overall story arcs of the main characters in a simplified manner, this means I win!
>I will now pretend the villain is right by asserting that these problems are "stupid" and people are crybabies for having them. ESPECIALLY teenagers.
>Doesn't even post a single argument for why adachi himself isn't the biggest crybaby of them all for not trying to work through his situation and instead just trying to rape a girl and throwing her into a TV when she resisted.
>"Waaah, if you're just born better than me, it's unfair, waaaah"

I hate that Adachi is the poster child of /v/.

>>376666601
P5 is better than 4 by virtue of not having Teddie.

>>376666779
see
>>376653378

>>376665879
>Hating the bank

Full blown fucking pleb

>>376666760
>most complicated dungeons
Yes that book puzzle had me scratching my head for hours.

>>376666779
The picture's right though, at least in terms of how it relates to Adachi. The confrontation with Adachi is unsatisfying because the cast is unequipped with the experience in life to refute anything he's saying. The character's struggles themselves are fine because, even if they live pretty good lies, the game is lighthearted so giving the character's really heavy issue wouldn't have suited the atmosphere the game was going for, but that doesn't change the fact that the cast did live good enough lives that they just came off as spoiled when dealing with somebody who had a shittier life than any of them.

>>376667137
as opposed to the museum's, what, lasers? seriously?

>>376667465
The portrait puzzle was more involved than anything in the Castle.

>>376667137
In terms of layout. None of the puzzles in this game are difficult to figure out.

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>>376665831
>two console generations later
>only 'real' advancement is turning dungeons from hallways into shitty stealth gimmicks and puzzles

Bro...

>>376666526
I said persona 6.

Not Persona 5 Dancing All Day, Persona 5 Arena, Persona 5 Switch edition, Persona 5 for mobile, Persona 5 Arena 2, Persona 5 PS:VR edition

>>376661947
>Death allows you to go for 1 day Palace runs
Uh...?
You just get more store items

>>376666549
>Kamoshida was the one who leaked the MC's criminal record at the start of the game,

Because it's at his school, where he was told about it, and he's spreading rumors at his own school. And you didn't provide proof he would do this at other schools out of spite because a girl chose not fuck him. It was supposition. You are arguing you can't fucking leave a rapey ass sports team because of potential rumors that maybe Kamoshida would spread? Yeah the girls volleyball team is so prestigious I'm gonna take getting raped until I choose to jump off the roof.

>>376667760
>Persona 5 Switch edition

Don't play with my heart.

>>376667823
SP Adhesive 3 anon.

>>376667823
He means the Invigorate 3 accessory.

>>376666779
What Adachi did was wrong, but how he saw the world was largely correct.

The Mystery Gang didn't really have problems because Rise and Yukiko, and even then they weren't that bad.

Particularly Yosuke and Chie. It didn't help that half the mystery gang had about as much personality as wet cardboard. I mean god damn Yukiko, fuck she was insufferable.

Every member of the Phantom Thieves had some pretty serious issues with their lives and all had reasons for being an outcast. The person with the least problems was Makoto and she still had her own shit to deal with.

Having shit lives doesn't automatically make them better characters, but both from a personality perspective and their growth in the main story they're better. The social links vary as they always do, but fuck were the main cast's social links in P4, save Rise and Kaiji's fucking awful. Especially Naoto's FUCK it was worse than literally anything in P5 and only gets beaten in P3 by fat ass moon.

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>>376667823
I think he means SP 3 Adhesives. Which break the game.

As the only real limitation in Palace's is Party Leader's SP to be able to knock shit down.

Cause chances are if you're not way overlevelled or knocking shit down, you're fuckin ded.

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>>376665532
>They shoulda just released the game on PS3 years ago instead of making a PS3 quality game.
What's the difference?

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>>376667957
>P3 by fat ass moon.
Why the fuck is Moon always the worst, I don't even remember who Moon was in 4.

>>376667851
You're mixing up eastern and western culture. If people find out you were sexually assaulted in Japan you're branded as a whore until your dying day. Shit is backwards.

>>376667957
>and their growth in the main story they're better.

HAHAHAHAHA

Imagine lying, most of these cast were static after their arcs, only makoto, futaba and morg fleshed out a bit outside their arcs

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>>376668105
Because you woulda got P5 in 2013 instead of 2017.

And not had to wait an extra 4 years for a better, next gen game.

>>376667580
The bank was really goddamn long and the castle held your hand through half of it.

>>376668134
It was worst girl Piggyhara.

>>376668278
That's my girlfriend you're talking about, faggot.

>>376668278
Oh yeah, would've been better if she jumped desu.

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>>376668134
Bitchy McBitch

>>376668262
the bank wasn't long, what are you talking about? now okumura's palace is fucking long, but the bank?

>>376666986
>>376667957

Even if you put aside the morality of his actions, Adachi is still so wrong on an conceptual basis that I could write an entire essay alone on just why Adachi is wrong on every conceivable level. But the most damning evidence is that a cynical high schooler employing grade school levels of logic could over think it.

If the world only cares if you were "born with talent", then why does neopotism exist? Why does it exist in such a high volume that the phrase "It's not WHAT you know, it's who you know" exist with such tenacity in the working world?

Adachi's entire story arc being reflective of Narukami's is meant to even highlight why he's wrong. He spent so much time and energy crawling into his own egotistical hole instead of making actual connections with people that he started to make excuses for why "this world is so rotten" to the core. Meanwhile, Narukami starts from literal 0, and works his ass off for social links instead of staying at home to jack off to cabbage.

The entire crux of his "argument" is an excuse from the beginning from someone who believes that his "hard work" entitled him to blowjobs from supermodels. In reality, he's just a huge coward afraid of getting to know other people.

>>376667258
While the arguments presented by the IT weren't fantastic, it honestly shouldn't take a debate to see why Adachi is wrong. Just because the heroes don't properly "deny" Adachi's excuses does not give them validation.

>>376668134
Ai Ebihara, which is even more annoying.

Mishima is frankly alright. Moon, barring Shinji in FeMC route has always been the least likable social link

>>376650262
WHY DOES NOBODY WANT CHANGE?

JUST IMAGINE YOU'RE OUT THERE.

>>376668193
>Imagine lying, most of these cast were static after their arcs, only makoto, futaba and morg fleshed out a bit outside their arcs
Yes, and that's still miles better than the P4 cast. Do you even remember P4's main story line?

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>>376668383
>Mishima is frankly alright.
Nah, although it is kind of funny how the game makes all your dialog options show pretty clearly that Joker doesn't care for him.

But I loved P4.

>>376667929
>>376667953
>>376667985
I got that accessory (only for Joker though) and I wouldn't say it broke the game, really.

Unless you game stats so that Joker always goes first, and you only use base-level spells to keep the 7 SP a net profit, or something...
But even then, the last third of the game has a ton of enemies that don't have weaknesses so you have to use criticals/Down Shot to knock them down.

>>376668410
SWATTING LIES IN THE MAKING

>>376668224
I don't think that's why it's on PS4. You can tell it's a PS3 game. It looks like Catherine, there's hardly any improvement to the visuals.

It released on PS4 because a PS3 exclusive release in 2016 is fucking suicide.

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>>376668481
>mfw Mishima showed me he bought a gun

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>just need 2 talks with Yusuke and 1 with Haru to max out everyone
>5 days straight of this in to the deadline
HELP

>>376668368
>While the arguments presented by the IT weren't fantastic, it honestly shouldn't take a debate to see why Adachi is wrong. Just because the heroes don't properly "deny" Adachi's excuses does not give them validation.
Obviously his murder isn't jsutified, but the problem is that they try to refute him and act like he's wrong about his whole lecture on the way the world is when they can't. If they just said they don't give a shit about what he has to say because he's a murder and nothing will excuse that, all would be well, but instead they try and fail to prove him wrong.

Also, Izanami mentions that giving Yu the Wild Card drew people to him, so I wouldn't necessarily say he worked hard for it. Though I suppose we don't know if people were drawn to Adachi and he rejected them.

>>376668416
>Yes, and that's still miles better than the P4 cast

>B-BUT

Doesn't matter, pretending P5 cast was good is a literal meme. 4 doesn't have a mary sue chick making every adult in the whole of japan look retarded.

3 was the last persona game to have a decent cast

>>376668350
I dunno man, took me a long time. Felt like it was never gonna end.

>>376668636
Mishima is someone I feel bad for even if he's a tryhard

>>376666357
Just like Ryuji.

>>376668693
But P5 didn't have a Mary Sue, just one character who required some serious suspension of disbelief but was otherwise a fine character. And P3 only had one or two engaging characters.

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>>376668732
>MFW Mishima made the Phansite reach 100%
Apparently if you don't his Confidant then it's just some random dude who does it though.

>>376666427
You might be legitimately retarded then.

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>>376668636
>it's a model
>he bought it for self-defense
>a non-functioning model

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>>376668876
I know P5 is a big improvement in almost every way to the previous games, it's a joke because there are people who actually think that P5 is just a reskinned 4 because they have similar story structures.

>>376668732
I liked the cutscene in the ending where he's the first one to start cheering for you, you know even though he's a loser that wishes he could be as famous as he you, he's the most genuine fan you have.

>>376668669
>but the problem is that they try to refute him and act like he's wrong about his whole lecture on the way the world is when they can't.
It's mostly a problem with perception. Most people outside of net weebs instinctually understand that Adachi is wrong, though not everyone is eloquent enough to voice why. I'm assuming the writer at the time felt that Adachi's speech would come off the same way to the viewer as his spiel of "I killed her because she was a bitch. What's wrong with that?" would.

The problem comes from the fact that the target audience sadly includes a large group of net weebs who have made those same, sorry excuses before about why their life went wrong, and it resonated with them.

I imagine this is why the IT's answer to Adachi is "you're wrong". Because they don't really feel any resonation with the words Adachi says.

>Also, Izanami mentions that giving Yu the Wild Card drew people to him, so I wouldn't necessarily say he worked hard for it.
Drawing people and keeping up a high level social bond with them are two different matters.

I believe Adachi did receive the same benefit, but the only person that he made ANY sort of link with was an old lady who wouldn't leave him the fuck alone after he basically told her as politely as he could to fuck off.

>>376668827
>But P5 didn't have a Mary Sue, just one character who required some serious suspension of disbelief but was otherwise a fine character.

Futaba literally was made to look like a god at hacking, more competent than any adult in the city. She literally solved all their problems until Shido's shit and thus killed all tension in the plot. This is a terrible character to have in a game.

>>376669168
Everyone understands that Adachi's actions were wrong. The problem is as simple as the IT doing absolutely nothing to explain why he's wrong, and instead just doing the boss fight equivalent of yelling "nuh uh I'm right" until their opponent gives up and walks away.

>>376669051
I would recommend to you some comedy classes.
You're coming off as genuine rather than a lampoon. Because there are people who actually think like that, you need to make the effort to distinguish your "joke" from the real opinion.
Poe's Law my friend.

>>376669330
I disagree.

>>376667760
Making spinoff titles won't net them as much money as making another Persona title now that Atlus has place themselves in the spotlight. P3 was popular when it came out and they immediately made a sequel to cash on its success.

>>376669496
Well yes, no surprise from a waifufag

>>376669382
I disagree with your first assertion there. I don't think everyone understands Adachi's actions were wrong, especially considering he continually gets into high positions on polls in Japan, to a point where he got a brand new Social Link and important position in a fighting game, despite both of these not really fitting in with the tone of the story.

And again, I think the intention of the story was that the writer saw Adachi's arguments as so fundamentally wrong that they shouldn't even need refutation. The problem is with people from above who resonate with what Adachi is saying. Adachi's argument is meant to be taken wrong as a starting basis.

>>376669168
>I imagine this is why the IT's answer to Adachi is "you're wrong". Because they don't really feel any resonation with the words Adachi says.
They didn't exactly say "you're wrong" though, and I don't think Adachi's speech was supposed to come off like his "I killed her because she's a bitch" speech. He was much more reasonable in that end speech and the IT actually tried to counter what he was saying, but what they said wasn't a proper counter to what he was saying at all. He have this whole, thought out reasoning and the IT just threw in little jabs wherever they could, only Yosuke and Naoto weren't entertaining what he had to say.

>>376669330
She is the character that requires suspension of disbelief I mentioned, but she's not a Mary Sue.She's unrealistic, and I wouldn't blame you if she bothered you, but she's not a Mary Sue.

>>376669692
To be honest, it's hard to treat Adachi seriously with that stupid look on his face. I've never before have been annoyed by some character just by looking at them.

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>>376669692
>and I don't think Adachi's speech was supposed to come off like his "I killed her because she's a bitch" speech.
Sure it was. The tone gets a little more serious about it, but nothing that the IT counters with is little more than "It's just wrong", which is a bad argument, for sure, but they gave out weak arguments like that because they naturally understood, at the very least viscerally, why it was wrong.

To equate it to the same speech, it's like the main character going "Murder is wrong, because!" That's a really, really shitty argument, but not a lot of people are going to argue with it because most people will usually have that as a moralistic baseline embedded into them. The IT argument was on this level.

Was it clumsy and missed? Oh, absolutely. I think the writer either greatly overestimated how much about the power of friendship the player would learn through hanging out with the IT, or greatly underestimated how many loser weeb types who would make this argument themselves were actually playing. He SHOULD have expounded on it a little harder, but again, it wasn't exactly a debate class going on in there.

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Dear christ the true ending fight in P5 blew out gas station in every fucking possible way.

>mfw the phansite reaches 100% and the last post is just "HELL YEAH!"

>>376649946
It's not a sequel...

>>376648650
>Implying a reskinned persona 4 isn't exactly what /v/ wanted.

Did anyone find the amount of swearing a bit forced? I barely remember any from 4 except from Adachi near the end.

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>people saying 4 is reskinned 3
There's almost nothing similar, unlike 4 and 5.

>>376670338
Smug Adachi is designed to piss off people for sure.

>>376670505
Well isn't that to be expected of a game that runs higher in emotion? Most of P4 was calmly making friends and cautiously investigating TV labyrinths. Most of P5 was the story taking a huge dump on the character's chests.

>>376670669
I always forget how fucking awful P4 looked.

>>376670669
3+4 being similar is understandable, shit came out like 2 years between each other's release

P5 had no reason to follow the same shitty structure as them and make the same mistakes

>>376670882
What mistakes were those?

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>>376670346
I strongly disagree, and the main reason is that that speech of Adachi's was the thematic counter to the moral and message of the game, which is where the root of a lot of the bad writing in that game lies, I think. P3 and 5 both have clearly defined themes and they show through in many parts of the game, take the way they summon Personas or the song that plays at the credits. In 3 and 5, these have clear ties to the themes of the games, but in 4 neither have ties to the theme of Truth. Adachi's whole speech was saying that people don't want the truth, just ignore his murders and look at what he's actually saying, he's saying that people would prefer to live in ignorant bliss because the world is shit. The writers wouldn't put this argument, which is challenging the core of the games theme as the ramblings of some madman unless they didn't give a shit about the main theme of the game and didn't want people to take it seriously, but I can't imagine that's the case. I can only guess why it is that the theme was so underdeveloped, to such a point that it wasn't even defined enough that the writers had something for the IT to counter what Adachi says, but I do not think they would put those lines there and treat them like they shouldn't even be entertained.

Did anyone else feel like Akechi being Shido's son was random as hell? I loved Persona 5, but I feel like he was horrifically under-used.