>shifting countless IPs, including Breath of Fire, to mobile

>>376641127
Old Japanese businessmen.

At least Nier and KH are good

>>376641127
Breath of Fire is capcom R-tard.

>>376641283
LOL

>Breath of Fire
>SE

If you're gonna shitpost at least do it right

>>376641127
Hitman showed so much promise, too.
What a shame.

>>376641127
I like that most of the Squareshills killed themselves during FFXVs release.

New tomb raider 2018.

>>376641127
You either die a hero, or live long enough to become EA incarnate.

Capcom are MORE retarded than Square

>>376641428
>>376641335
Yeah shit, sorry, I always get BoF and the Mana series mixed up.

There's so many jap publishers chasing after mobile bucks that it's hard to keep track of them.

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Don't forget about that abysmal 30th anniversary for FF

I wonder if Sqeenix even has much to do with day-to-day operations at Eidos, those guys might be responsible for killing themselves while the old japanese sqeenix execs are busy killing themselves over in their home market.

http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/news/pdf/17q4earnings.pdf

>>376641876
You say that, but Seiken Collection is being released on Switch in just a few weeks.

I have a feeling if that does well, we may see a new game in the series release there.

Square Enix has been broken since it became Square Enix. The company has been surviving purely on inertia and brand recognition for almost twenty years now. They can't even make a coherent entry in their flagship franchise anymore.

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>>376642669

>it's the "sales = quality game" meme again

How to make +6 million sales on your latest main-line Final Fantasy game [TABATA EDITION]:

>know your audience: the west
>make the game open-world to appeal to larger demographic and recent craze
>make the game action-based and flashy to appeal to larger demographic and recent craze
>heavy focus on tech and graphics to appeal to larger demographic and recent craze
>the game you are working on must already have half a decade's worth of hype surrounding it
>release a fucking god-tier concept trailer like the FFXV E3 2013 trailer and parade it around like it's actually going to be in the main game
>release tons of trailers with cut footage that imply exciting concepts, only for them to never make it into the actual game
>release demo; then scrap major features from demo a year out from release; generate controversy
>host tons of useless ATRs to keep consumer interest
>host an Uncovered Event, pulling back the curtains on a almost ten year old project only for it to be rendered useless with an eventual delay
>delay your game further into the holiday season; generate controversy
>coincide the release of your game with a movie, anime, and mobile games
>star popular Western Actors in your movie; generate discussion
>engage in tons of cross-overs that appeal to the western audience, like hanging out with Epic Meal Time
>Make sure to demo your game at the Xbox E3 conference showing one of the only eventful setpieces in your game—and then fuck it up to generate controversy
>last but not least, release a HYPE AS FUCK trailer, one month out from launching the game, using concepts and imagery from the Versus days—make sure to deceive the fans and that none of it is ever even brought up in the game

>>376643228
Looks at the mobileshit profit though
>83.3 billons of yen

>>376642119
>/v/ tells profitable company how to run a business

>>376642669
The world is a vampire.

>>376643592
>/v/ tells a profitable company how to make EVEN MORE MONEY WHICH IS THE POINT OF A BUSINESS
FTFY

Square is one of the best publishers/developers right now.

FF XV was fantastic, nier was pretty good and both sold well. I loved ROTTR and despite the xbox exclusivity fiasco it ended selling well. Mankind divided and Hitman were justifiably axed because they sucked.

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>>376644265

>>376644265
fuck off

>>376642382
Mana hasn't been good since Legend, and even Legend wasn't perfect at all. All the PS2 and DS games were mediocre to just plain bad.

SE can't do shit these days.

>>376641127
It's not any different than other big publishers, if it doesn't sell well or is trashing their PR, it goes in the bin. Just look at what happened with ME:Cuckdromeda.

>>376645443
>It's not any different than other big publishers

you are being a contrarian for the sake of it. name one publisher / developer that is doing better than square this gen.

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>>376645184
>fuck off

prove me wrong. OP blames square for the new deus ex being shit. platinum with a much smaller budget did well. I even enjoyed star ocean which they made sorely for the fans. what other company does mid tier single player games anymore ?

>>376646083
congratulations on your shit taste

fuck off

>ruined tomb raider

How?

>>376646416
MUH GIANT BOOBS

>>376645810
no, youre the ignorant idiot attaching emotional outrage, for a systemic problem

no, nigger, publishers aren't the bad guys, its just bad developers being culled

>>376641127
>ruined tomb raider
>Crystal Dynamics has been making Tomb Raider since 2006

You either don't like any Tomb Raider made after 2005 or you're retarded.

>>376646330
>congratulations on your shit taste

OP fucking whines about IPs being pushed to mobile. Suddenly shitposting damage control is about my taste.

You made a retarded thread full of /v/ memes the day Square announces they are doing great.

OP is surprisingly right/not a faggot, aside from saying Breath of Fire is a Squeenix property and that Rise of the Tomb Raider was bad
>>376646083
Platinum was most likely allowed more autonomy desu. It's well documented that the Mankind Divided retarded decisions were 100% publisher retardation.

>>376643592
>money is all that matters
If everyone with your mindset was dead it would solve all of the world's problems.

>>376646662
>thinks I'm OP

kek

>>376641127
>ruined Tomb Raider

Did they?

>>376644265
>FFXV was fantastic
>I loved ROTTR
>Hitman [...] sucked.
Go back to NeoGAF and never return.

>>376641127
>>numerous independent sources claim that work is underway on a sequel to the 2014 Thief reboot
Why the fuck would they make a sequel that dumpster fire?

>>376646872
The reboot was meh and had MP that nobody wanted, but the sequel was noticeably better, so no.

>>376641127
You're right except for 2 points
>ruined Tomb Raider
Tomb Raider is still pretty good, it's just Squeenix being the retards you pointed out they are decided to cut a bunch of weird console exclusive deals with little clarity and have the marketing strategies of a piece of celery.
>force IO to make Hitman online early access
That's half true. They did force online early access shit, but they also didn't want to back it. When it started to become a financial success, they gave IO a bigger budget, and then of course decided that because it didn't sell 10 million copies, that it wasn't a success and are now pulling the current shitfling with IO.

>>376646801
>most likely
>source: anon's anus

I don't really give a fuck. one failed, the other succeeded.

>>376646570
>publishers aren't the bad guys
There's no way anyone is this stupid.

>>376646991
>Go back to NeoGAF

neofag boogieman when /v/ shitposters share the same memes. hitman has become a shit brand no one really cares.

>>376646662
>full of /v/ memes
Even if that were the case, it wouldn't matter because we are actually on /v/ right this moment.

Are you a SE employee?

>>376642669
>>376643592
>most hyped game in their portfolio for the last 5+ years comes out
>pumps out mobile garbage
>hurr there's no way dey r making retarded decisions, look at all da profits!!!
Fuck off. FFXV and mobileshit saved them from an abysmal year, expect that non-mobileshit profit to drop off a cliff after the next financial report.

>>376647504
>we are actually on /v/ right this moment.

/v/ shitposters literally copy pasted every "FF XV is bad" meme from neofag you retarded fagot. yes I am a SE employee because I don't care about hitman.

>>376647718
>FFXV and mobileshit saved them from an abysmal year

prolific /v/ analyst states the obvious.

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I don't care as long as they keep giving the skeleton man more money.

>>376647134
I think the advertising was more Microsoft's fault and the exclusivity was always pretty clear to me. I agree with everything else though.
>it didn't sell 10 million so it wasn't successful
Squeenix got a ton of shit when they had insane sales expectations for Tomb Raider and Sleeping Dogs. Didn't they learn anything?
Fucking Jap businessmen.

>>376646627
Underworld was good but Guardian of Light was just painful
Anniversary, while i didn't like all the qte shoved in, was at least decent nostalgia wank
Tomb Raider reboot was a spit in the face.
Wasn't able to get into Temple of Osiris since I didn't like Guardian of Light.
Haven't played Rise.

>>376648521
>Tomb Raider reboot was a spit in the face.

Good. I never really cared about the series until they pretty much copied uncharted.

>>376648521
>Guardian of Light
>bad
Friendless loser detected.
>inb4 you give me the "everything is fun with friends" argument

Temple of Osiris is also noticeably different than GoL. ToO is more of a Diablo clone (and a worse game). Rise is probably the best of the games you mentioned, so go play it.

Well it was their decision to produce a japanese dub for Life is Strange which was the only enjoy I could enjoy the game, so they're alright in my book.

>>376641127
They just don't care about western studios.

>blame pretty much every western game for "under performing" in terms of their overblown sales expectations
>meanwhile feed untold millions into the bottomless pits that were FF14 ARR and FF15

>>376647957
unfinished dogshit and SNES graphic gacha bullshit saved a shitty company

yay?

>>376648840
>Friendless loser detected.
Well you got me there.
Navy friend is supposed to come visit in a couple months, probably play rise then.

>>376648982
This, but at least FFXIV ARR has long term viability and wasn't a disappointment. MMOs are always high risk, high reward.

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>>376648904
>a japanese dub for Life is Strange which was the only enjoy I could enjoy the game

>>376648986
>unfinished dogshit
>not a neofag meme

>>376648094
Don't worry, they won't.

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>>376641127
>numerous independent sources claim that work is underway on a sequel to the 2014 Thief reboot

FOR WHAT PURPOSE

WHO EVEN LIKED THAT GAME? DIDN'T IT FLOP IN TERMS OF SALES?

>>376649293
I wouldn't know neofaggot

>>376649434
>DIDN'T IT FLOP IN TERMS OF SALES?

yes it did. both sales and reviews.

>>376649434
I'm not sure, but I think the thief reboot was one of those times where it sucked so hard people actually started playing the original again, so while they game flopped they saw there was still a market cry for more thief, so it might be worth to try again.
Of course they'll fail again, but that's just my thoughts.

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>>376649434
>sequel to the 2014 Thief reboot

It could be good. Stranger things have happened after previous games missed the point.

>>376648817
3/10

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>>376649560
So they shitcanned Deus Ex and Hitman due to "mediocre" sales, but they decided to greenlight a sequel to a game that was an all-around failure both critically and financially?

>>376649905
It's apparently going to be based on the upcoming movie.

>>376649971
>upcoming movie
What the fuck? Fucking source on that shit.

>>376649640
You're right, it could end up like Hitman.
>Thi4f sequel
>gets everything right except for one publisher forced thing
>sells 9.99 million
>considered a failure for not selling 10 million
>franchise canned forever
Can't wait. :^)

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>>376648904

>>376649971
>upcoming movie
WHAT THE FUCK

>>376641215
This. Literally this. No-one under them can correct them or try to change their crazy ideas or convince them to change their minds because in Japanese culture you basically have to be a Yes Man to anyone older than you.

>>376649971
>>376650204
https://pastebin.com/0xQN81jT

Square Enix works in cycles, they'll do good things and then they'll go retarded shit and then they'll go back to doing good things.

>>376649818
>3/10

it's so amusing whenever I meet one of the 6 people who seriously like anything old TR related after 2.

>>376649905
>they shitcanned Deus Ex

for now. yes.

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>>376650286

Fuck me. Hitman was a solid 8/10 for me. Was so hyped for season 2, constantly checking news and stuff. Thanks for killing the franchise I guess.

>>376650340
>Square Enix works in cycles

not really. this anon gets it:

>>376650279
>No-one under them can correct them

Square had a lot of games released this gen. more worked, that those that didn't.

>Thief movie
Probably one of the only times I'd be okay with a classic series sequel/reboot having a black protag, just for the meme potential.

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>Dragon Quest is still perfectly fine

Wow. Given the episodic nature of the game Hitman S2 was most likely nearly ready to be published. So with SquareEnix holding the rights to the IP two things can happen:

1. They'll pull out an unfinished crap game from the finished bits, made by some B studio, which will neither sell nor impress critics
2. Axe Hitman completely, leaving the dev team without the satisfaction of ever seeing their work released. Nice.

How come the Enix side of Square Enix is so competent?

>>376641971
Have they even did anything for it?

>sequel to the 2014 Thief reboot
If hitman and deus ex were considered flops, then THI4F definitely is

square used to be the leader in jrpgs
now they can barely release a game while other companies like namco bandai or atlus releasing 5 new games a year while they are still struggling to release one in 10 years

why have they fallen?

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>>376648904
>japanese dub for Life is Strange which was the only enjoy I could enjoy the game
what ?

>>376651424
>namco bandai or atlus releasing 5 new games a year

what games ?

>>376651424
They fired Sakaguchi.

He was the only one capable of making decisions. Now they're left with slobs with no vision.

>>376651639
>He was the only one capable of making decisions...

..in the 2d era.

>>376651424
>Moutbreathing: the post
I swear, they should make some captcha that checks whether you really know shit about videogames when you post in this shithole.

And people wonder why middle market games are dead.

>get low budget
>be expected to deliever AAA quality
>be expected to deliever AAA sales
>publisher wonders when it flops
When was the last time a non-independent middle market game did well?

>>376641127
>I need to know whether or not the people in charge at SE are actually, literally neurologically disabled.

Looks like they actually are.

>>376651743
and PS1 and beginning of PS2.

>>376641127
They fucking ruined just cause 3 as well. Originally it was supposed to be a large scale multiplayer sandbox but squeenix forced them to add a story and make it single player.

>>376641127
>including Breath of Fire
u wot m8

>>376651209
Enix just does what they always do: make DQ games. The only thing Square does is screw the West out of localized Enix games. I swear they do it out of butthurt because DQ is do successful.

>>376646416
Make the budget for Tomb Raider so large they don't earn their money back after 5 million sales. Then need a short exclusivity deal with Xbox for the sequel because they blew all their money.

>>376652092
>Originally it was supposed to be a large scale multiplayer sandbox but squeenix forced them to add a story and make it single player.

Source?

Also Just cause 2 was garbage anyways, it is one of the top 5 examples of why huge open world games are shit, full of nothing empty shit

>>376646872

Make the budget for Tomb Raider so large they don't earn their money back after 5 million sales. Then need a short exclusivity deal with Xbox for the sequel because they blew all their money.

>>376641127
If I were a game dev, I would never want to work for SE. They've got to stick their dick in everything. I still haven't forgiven them for what they did to Yasumi Matsuno during the development of FFXII. That game had so much potential, and SE was insistent on not letting the only good writer they had do his fucking job.
Everything else sure is icing on the cake though. Remember when Human Revolution locked missions behind pre-order DLC? SE was being greedy even back then.

>>376652329
Not really a problem unique to SQ tho. AAA games become more expensive to make but have to cost the same money as before. AAA games are going to die out until only the really really big games continue to exist. And Tomb Raider is simply too small for that.

>>376641379
Ebin

>>376652650
Most budget problems are the marketing costs of games. Marketing costs 3 times as much as development. Tomb Raider isn't small at all. It sells millions of copies.

>>376652092
>Originally it was supposed to be a large scale multiplayer sandbox
>large scale multiplayer sandbox

you accidentally spelled out cancer mate.

>>376652092
That's a good thing.

>>376652473
>I would never want to work for SE.

no, you would never want to work for any japanese company. look: japanese corporate culture.

>>376652473
>of FFXII. That game had so much potential

FF XII is their perfect game.

>>376650340
Square Enix's shit cycle has lasted at least 10 years, arguably longer. When does the good cycle begin?

>>376652151
Breath of Fire 6 is mobile-only. "Better" yet, the protagonist is a create-a-character and Ryu is only (You)r older brother.

>>376652973
>no, you would never want to work for any japanese company. look: japanese corporate culture.

True, along with China and Korea.

>>376653112
>When does the good cycle begin?

Never.

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>>376652092
Thanks, Squeenix.

>>376643592
/thread

>>376652973
> first point
I specifically meant as a member of a dev team seeking a publisher. Not that SE isn't inclined to stick their dicks in their first-party titles, too. See also, Vaan the barely-relevant retconned protag of FFXII. Because Basch or Ashe wouldn't be as appealing to teenagers as another blond femboi in an open vest.
>second point
That's a funny way of saying "Final Fantasy Tactics", also by Matsuno.

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>>376651308
Tokyo Tower became blue for a couple of hours.

>numerous independent sources claim that work is underway on a sequel to the 2014 Thief reboot
Bullshit, no one liked that game.

>>376652781
Same difference. No obscene marketing costs, no sales. Then add the 30% cut that valve takes, additional costs for Denuvo and other third party software and you have to either sell upwards of 7 million copies or be based in eastern europe to break even.

60 dollars price tags don't work anymore. At the same time you can't expect people to pay 80 bucks at release.

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Breath of Fire is Capcom's but you stay salty about two shit stealth games getting axed.
As your retarded threads and samefagging are entertaining. More entertaining than the last Hitman this is certain.

>>376653112
>Square Enix's shit cycle has lasted at least 10 years

final fags have to be the second most retarded crowd in gaming behind sonic fags. totally useless mouth breathers full of nostalgia, everything for them is either 10/10 or shit. and it's not like ff games were ever really good rpgs. but these (you) fags are so obsessed and sentimental. ffxv was fine, get over it. but no, you will cry like bitches for the next five years until XVI is released when you will suddenly remember how XV was not really bad.

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>>376641127
I have not given a single shit about Square since the SNES.

>>376653628
FFXV was trash. It isn't even a finished game.

>>376653312
>See also, Vaan the barely-relevant

jesus it's really like talking to sanic fans. 10 fucking years later you repeat the same shit like clockwork. text book autism.

yes Vaan was the protagonist EXACTLY because he was not relevant to the fucking story you little dysfunctional dipshit.

>>376653628
>not like ff games were ever really good rpgs
>ffxv was fine

Get a load of this retard

>>376653908
That's the best argument you can come up with? kek, ok. Just make sure to get an early night sleep for school tomorrow, kiddo.

>>376642669
/thread

>>376654054
>Get a load of this retard

I'm not saying the other are not good games, I'm saying tactics, XV and XII are the only ones that stand out as RPGs. you fucking text book autist.

Why does every Square enix thread end up revolving into a FF fan war?

>>376641127
You're already wrong on your first point, post invalidated.

>>376643228
Fuck off anti kun

>>376654704
autism

>>376654704
Because FF fans are the bronies of the JRPG fanbase.

>>376654302
I second this notion. Half-finished mess that XV ended up being in the latter half, it was a definite step in the right direction. And then SE stuck their dick in it by trying to shove it out the door in under two years after they reassigned Nomura.
XII didn't feel nearly as half-baked, despite the troubled development. Tactics was a goddamned classic, though. Few SRPGs have come close.

>>376643889
SE just posted their highest financial numbers ever since becoming SE, they don't need you to tell them how to runa company.

>>376653373
What a joke, SaGa's 25th anniversary was huge to the point the made art exhibitions, dinners, trains and whisky and FF's 30nth anniversary was that?
That's as pathetic as the current state of the series.

>>376651424
You're objectively wrong.

>>376654082
>kiddo

not him, but that's a great sign you lost.

and he's right, you are an idiot for still repeating that meme.

>>376653763
Do you cry about xenogears and wind waker too? Fuck off cuck

>>376654302
> I'm saying tactics, XV and XII are the only ones that stand out as RPGs
Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad
But you're still wrong

>>376654848
No, they're the CoD kiddies. The games are the best selling JRPGs because of how they have broad appeal and shallow depth, and the fans need to get fucked over by several mediocre or awful games in a row before they learn.

>>376655061
FF30th is going the whole year

>>376654938

>>376648986

>>376654704
>Why does every Square enix thread
>OP is crying memes about XV irrelevant to sales.

>>376652650
Shit got more complex but you also got more automation. The quality of today's editors&engines is much higher.

Depending on what you do i would say it's even faster to push out some cheap 3d character than animate snes style in pixelart as a lot of it can be recycled and recombined with 3d.

>>376655452

>>376654938
>>376655336

>>376655175
not an argument, but a sign you're a fucktard

>>376655336
But those were good

>>376655425
So did SaGa's back in 2014.

Here we go again

I remember 2 E3s ago or so everyone said that their presentation was the best. I think it was FFXV, KH3 and the new hitman. 2 of those are out and they're kinda meh.

>>376651032
If you're a nip, maybe.

>>376653504
>be based in eastern europe to break even.
You're are a moron

>>376655521
>wants to argue

no point, the fact you're still repeating a decade-old meme means you're a know-nothing faggot

>>376655609
Well, at least DQ didn't become an abomination like XV.

>>376655369
>Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad

literally a sanic fan. I'm not saying they are bad or good, I'm saying as far as RPGs mechanics go, they are the stand out games in the franchise. FF were never really deep as rpgs. wtf is so hard to understand ?

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>squandered for 10 years with FFv13
>Io interactive is the one that gets axed
just how much good will does being one of the guys who worked on FF7 grant you? And if they're bitching how the episodic format was costly then what the hell does that say about FF7 Remake?

>>376642669
>Only develop games for mobile and one shitty KH ripoff that you slap the FF name onto
>Profits are mainly for mobile and the new FF game
Wooooow.

>>376641127
They should just transfer to mobile. That's were the money is.

Do the exact opposite of what /v/ wants, that's how you make money.

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>>376655749
>I'm not saying they are bad or good, I'm saying as far as RPGs mechanics go, they are the stand out games in the franchise.

And you're STILL wrong.

>SE ruining many IPs
>dragon quest still perfectly fine
Do you really think it's coincidence that final fantasy went to shit after Enix bought squaresoft?

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>>376653373
ugh, that fucking tower is triggering me. anime and vidya have got me to a point were seeing something unnaturally changed to that weird red/purple color, makes me feel like some awful shits gonna come out of there.

>>376652436
Just cause 2 was great, you could do all sorts of stupid funny shit with the grapples, cars and the insane physics engine

Hell just driving cars down mountains was hilarious as shit

>>376652794
JC2 MP mod was amazing, GTFO you stupid normie

>>376653252
>>376652864

normies leave

I'm never buying a AAA game again, seriously.

I've lost all faith in the industry by this point.

All these AAA publishers have gone to shit. Square Enix has some amazing IPs but they seemingly have no idea what they're doing (same for Capcom, Konami, etc.), Ubisoft is fucking up their one good game in years (Siege) today, and the rest tend to feel like they can get away with fucking over the customer (buggy releases.)

It's a shame, because for a moment there it really looked like things were almost gonna turn around. Nier Automata was a step in the right direction (in terms of budget/quality ratio), Titanfall 2 and Siege offering great post-release support for free, and other examples.

I'll prob buy Platinum's PC ports, but that's it.

>buy Eidos
>kill all the studios
>make sure there's never another Tomb Raider Hitman, Deus Ex, Just Cause, Thief, Legacy of Kain, Commandos, etc

G-good one guys!

>>376655532
And so was XV. It has a start, middle and strong ending with a satisfying conclusion. Just because some side story stuff wasn't told in the game doesn't make it unfinished, the main story was there.
>>376655731
XV is legitimately fantastic despite the flaws.

>>376655756
Hitman is a mess
>Episodic release
>Half the content locked online
>Season one physical copies still tied to online drm bullshit
They fucked up big time

>>376655576
Remember when E3 Gameplay Trailer 01 gifs were being posted everyday?

Good times. Back when I actually had hope for XV.

>>376656104
>And so was XV.
nope
>XV is legitimately fantastic despite the flaws.
nah

>>376656097
I hope you cucks are ready for Eidos to be a capeshit studio game because you can bet your ass Square will do anything to get that capeshit dosh.

>>376656221
Not an argument.

>>376656269
Not an argument.

>>376656106

Let's be honest, Square Enix are probably the ones that enforced those limitation on them. Online only is a purely business decision, it's a 99% single player game. Episodic because they didn't have faith in investing in a full fledged title.

>>376656097
Hitman, Deus Ex and Just Cause are among my favorite games franchises.

Feels bad man, why do good games have to get shit on like this?

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>>376656269
>>376656285

>>376656104
Hello XV-kun.

>>376655971
>Enix bought squaresoft?

the power of autism

>>376656285
Typical cuck.

>>376652329
Wasn't Tomb raider dead anyway before SE fished it out of the trash?

>>376656384
lmao chill out cucko

I don't mind them, they are trying to innovate at least, shithouses like bioware can kill themselves for trying to do the same thing and doing it badly

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>>376655971
I don't, especially since it was a merger, so your own delusion have nothing to do with FF going to shit.
>>376656104
>XV is legitimately fantastic
No brokenass action game in a meme open world is fantastic by any mean, sonny.
And I don't shit on it because it's unfinished, the best games of all times are always unfinished, 90% of all games in general are unfinished, it's just a terrible game, a terrible FF and a terrible "RPG", Nier: A Tomato manages to deliver what FFXV should have delivered better than FFXV, and it's also a better RPG and a better action game on top of that, with a fraction of the budget and development time.

>>376656378
The fucked capitalization or you really don't know that enix stepped in and took over after the spirits within bombed?

>>376656104
The problem is that the start, middle, and end were trash, because not only were they rushed but there were elements clearly missing from the narrative: lore, character development, etc. It's so obvious that the game is not conpleted because they have these elements and refused to touch upon them, despite the trailers and interviews posting otherwise.

The ending, in actuality, was emotionally manipulative.

>>376656338
>Online only is a purely business decision
A bad one, when we're talking about a single player cult franchise.
>Episodic
Another mistake, I'm not paying for incomplete shit month after month.

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>that moment when you realize you're not part of the developer's target demographic

>>376655756
It's more that they're fellow japs.

Watch and see. They will fire every western studio they have before they ever touch the japan studios.

Square Enix has never done anything good or right. How is this still news?

>>376644265
Mankind divided is far better than ROTTR the only issue is it was cut in half

>>376656718
Yeah, I know. It just goes to show SE's incompetence. They're a business, so of course they're gonna go after money, even at detriment to the developers/consumers.

>>376656682
>the game is not conpleted because
they want to sell a bunch of related crap, like movies, novels, and so on.

>>376641127
>shifting countless IPs, including Breath of Fire, to mobile only
BoF belonging to Capcom aside, it would have hurt less if they didn't call it VI.

>>376656813
>Square Enix has never done anything good or right.
Nah, good devs made good stuff even on Squenix, it's just FF that's getting shittier, though it wasn't really that much of a franchise to begin with.

>>376641127
http://www.pcgamer.com/hitman-in-jeopardy-as-square-enix-plans-to-sell-io-interactive/

>>376641127

Mankind Divided also tried to push that retarded preorder nonsense
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_Ex:_Mankind_Divided#Pre-ordering

>The pre-order system of Deus Ex: Mankind Divided caused controversy because of its tiered reward levels, from tier 1 to tier 5.[34] The system gave the buyer the ability to "choose" what they got depending on what global tier the level of pre-orders were reached.[35] The pre-order system was compared to the way Kickstarter campaigns work; the more pre-orders, the more items the people who pre-ordered would get.[36] Due to negative reactions from fans and critics, the system was cancelled, and all pre-order content was available to those who pre-order the game or purchase a Day 1 edition.[37]

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>>376656813
SE's western acquired studios sought them through their most terrible years, and this is how Matsuda repays them?

What are some of the best single player games that have come out in the last few years?

>>376656097
All those franchises are already kill.

/v/ can bitch about SquareEnix but big budget single player games are DEAD and to blame it all on one dev who is just following the market isn't going to change anything.

>>376656348
Because gamers are shit. Everyone is playing Overwatch.

>>376656558
Automata isn't even close to as good as XV let alone coming to the level of polush, combat variety, enemy variety and design, location variety, animation art direction and visuals. Sidequests in automata are the same exact fucking thing while combat itself in automata other than being faster does nothing better than XV does, XV has superior aerial combat and weapon switching as well as party techs and more, Automata just has flashy mashy combat against the same 5 reskinned enemies the entire game. Its characters aren't as good as XVs, and both let you pause to endlessly heal so don't even try bringing up item spam against XV when it applies to automata too. Nothing about XV was broken so eat shit.

>>376656682
You are objectively wrong since it has a great start middle and end, with the ending being the most emotional impact any FF has ever had, and only chapter10-14 is rushed which still doesn't invalidate that it's still good, wind waker and xenogears are even more rushed towards their end, rushed second half is irrelevant and you literally have no actual argument which is why you're clinging to that, you in all likelihood havnt even played XV.

>>376641127
You forgot

>ports highly anticipated games to PC, fucks up horribly and all ports end up shit and, despite having more than enough money at hand, refuse to patch them

>>376657403
>muh competitive multiplayer meme

Overwatch is pure garbage, I'd never pay to play that stupid shit. Most multiplayer games are garbage, actually. Mount and blade is napoleonic wars it the only multiplayer game I play now because of how the game's mechanics make it impossible for people to be elitist tryhards

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>>376656965
FF is getting better and XV was the best FF.

>>376657253
>What are some of the best single player games that have come out in the last few years?

this should be in it's own thread desu senpai

>>376656903
Yeah, that too.

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>>376657738
>FF is getting better and XV was the best FF.

>>376657714
Excellent! Where can I subscribe for more?

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>>376657578
>This post
Welp, it was a good thread while it lasted.

>>376657827
Not an argument.

>>376656269
why do faggots always wanna argue

>>376657831
call 1800suckmydick

>>376656965
Yeah, they publish some good stuff every once in awhile, but that doesn't outweigh the bad they've done and are still doing.

They fired/forced/assassinated every talented key player that built Square & Enix, then instead of hiring proven or willing people, they reposition people who should have never been put in certain positions, and the rest is history.

Not a single good product under SE's belt, with exception to the Tactics Ogre remake, a move they approved undoubtedly to bury the hatchet with Matsuno and attempt to gain favor.

Video game companies have a huge issue with falling prey to the Peter Principle. Iwata was a great programmer, he should be a great president, right? Inafune "created Rockman", he should direct video games.

>Nomura
>Tabata
>Toriyama

These are your key players at Square Enix right now. An artist, a B-Player, and a Scenario Writer. Directing (failing) multiple high profile, AAA games.

SE deserves to fail. Unfortunately they never will because fanboys are deaf and/or ignorant.

>>376657913
Also not an argument.

>>376657932

It is an argument.
You're just autistic and can't understand the emotions conveyed with the image.

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>>376657578
EVERYONE LEAVE THE THREAD

NOW

>>376657578
FFXV has even less emotional impact that FFVIII. All the chapters are rushed, but the problem gets even worse in the latter half. You didn't notice how extremely short each chapter was (excluding 13)? The story is like 20-30 hours long.

>>376657985
Oh you're just a Matsunofag

>>376657578
Bullshit,FFXV had nice graphics and a pretty well laid out battle system but other than that it was utter shit. The entire story felt half assed,the camera sucked when it was really needed and ffs side questing was boring rinse/repeat as fuck. If your gonna hype a game up that much at least make it fit the bill.

And also fuck square for the last Star Ocean,that was a total travaisty. That series has been on a downward spiral since Second Story

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>>376657578
>You are objectively wrong since it has a great start middle and end, with the ending being the most emotional impact any FF has ever had, and only chapter10-14 is rushed which still doesn't invalidate that it's still good

shill pls

>>376641127
1) SE is creatively bankrupt
2) HD development costs a fucking ton of money, leaving nothing for other projects
3) Mobile makes tons of cash for almost no investment

If you want to blame someone, blame the consumer, because your the ones who created this shitty market.

>>376658152
>Unfortunately they never will because fanboys are deaf and/or ignorant.

I should buy a lottery ticket.

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>>376657578
XV-kun please, you don't need to promote the game anymore.

Well, that didn't take long

>>376657985
>Not a single good product under SE's belt
All the SaGa games ae pretty great, but that's because Kawazu can make good games with peanuts, some lesser known franchises like Lord of Vermilion are pretty fun too, Arena is really good if you like DOTA games, Blood of Bahamut was alright too, you just need to look past FF and there's still quite a few good games and good people working at Squenix.

>>376658028
Again, not an argument.

>>376658141
XV has more emotional impact than any other FF, the story has as much there as any FF story does. You can beat FF1-10 in under 10 hours so again you literally have no actual argument. Only chapter 10-14 were rushed, ch1-8 are all on the open world and ch9 in Altissia which you have plenty to do in, only ch10-14 are rushed but again that doesn't make it bad since the stuff happening is all interesting and compelling.

>>376657314
>Buy all of those games
>Enjoy all of those games
>Said games are going way because of garbage review sites and places like /v/ which hate all non ESPORTS GAYMAN MUH MULTIPLAYER games
Well, at least I'll still have CD Project Red.

>>376658487
Not an argument.

>>376658487
>Again, not an argument.

Is this the new beta tactic? To continually claim "not an argument" until it shifts to something they can argue?

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>>376641127
Yet, somehow, FFXI continues to silently be amazing. Not too many people know about this but even though the game was shut down for consoles, the PC version is STILL alive and still getting regular content updates.

>>376658192
Bullshit yourself, there was more effort put into XV than any other FF and nothing about the story was half assed, you either didn't pay attention or are yet another pleb pretending to have played it because you watched some youtube videos.

>>376658196
Not an argument faggot.

>>376658590
It's xv-kun, he's been doing that for years whenever someone says something about xv that he doesn't like, now wait for his angry reply and your daily dose of insults

Why is it that nobody ever has a good defense for FFXV? Even the people who liked it admit that the game was pretty fucked.

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>>376658732
>Not an argument faggot.
>>376658590

have some tay to brighten up your day

>>376658231
No they aren't
SE just posted the highest financial numbers they've ever had mainly thanks to FFXV
Are you saying that they shouldn't be making mobile shit to help fund their bigger games?

>>376655535
What's SaGa?

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>but Nier
Its fucked. Now that he can produce titles that actually sell you better believe there's going to be more pudgy, corporate fingers in the Taro pie than ever before. Next game probably wont even have a better budget since they know it'll sell well regardless.

>>376658232
Ok Matsunofag, your bias was already made clear.

>>376658269
Faggot please, you don't need to get BTFO and pretend someone defending a game they like is a shill.

>>376658884
A videogame series, silly Anon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SaGa_(series)

>>376658923

next Nier will be more SJW-friendly

>xv isn't the best selling
>xv isn't the best rated
>xv doesn't have the most goty
>xv wasn't finished
>xv is still rolling out changes to fix the game
>but it is the best ff yet!
LoL Barry never fails to make me laugh

>>376658871
>No they aren't
Lol, ok senpai, SE is just as creative with all the talent they used to have despite losing most of it over the last decade

>>376659006
>pretend
We both know what you are. The question is when you'll stop this charade.

>>376658590
No, it's pointing out the fact that what you said is not a fucking argument and was invalidated already.

>>376658765
Why are you still acting as if no one acknowledges the flaws? Why are you still ignoring the overwhelming good it does heavily outweighs the flaws?

>>376658762
You're cancer in every thread, you fucking weasel.

>>376659515
>invalidated

It was ignored not invalidated.

>>376659121
XV is the fastest selling FF worldwide and had the highest opening sales for any FF ever in the US, and it's the highest selling PS4 game in Japan.
XV literally has more GOTY awards than any other FF.
Metacritic doesn't fucking matter towards anything but XV still has more positive critic reviews and user reviews than any other FF, even cancelling out positive critic and user reviews for every negative one still has it have more positive critic and user reviews.
XV was finished.
XV is rolling out updates to add to add improve the game, it's literally the same fucking thing as international versions of FFs did or FM versions of KH did, except they aren't making you pay for the whole game again and instead can get free updates by downloading them plus the other additional DLC still has more content being added to it than the international/ FM versions of FF/KH at a lower price too.
XV is the best FF yet and people are literally begging SE for more because it is.

>>376647776
It's not a meme that FFXV is bad, it just is bad. Also neogaf loves FFXV and anyone who has a dissenting opinion is immediately dogpiled. Because that website is for literal faggots. You'd fit in perfectly.

>>376660029
Damn
Did XV also cure cancer?

>>376659149
You do know pretty much all the major artists who worked at SE during the 90s even after leaving SE still work on SE games right? Yoshida still works on SE games, Naora still works on SE games, Kamikokuryo still works on SE games, Uematsu still works on SE games, Shimomura still works on SE games, Kenji Ito still works on SE games, Nojima still works on SE games, Amano still works on SE games etc, plus they still have people who worked on FF1 on NES at SE, same with any of the classic FFs, CT, etc.

>>376659158
What charade?

>>376660327
Yes.

>>376660029
>Final Fantasy XII release date March 2006
>Final Fantasy XIII release date Dec 2009
>Final Fantasy XV release date Nov 2016
Gee, I wonder why people were so desperate for a new FF game after such a long delay. The bait and switch they did with all the promo videos compared to the QTE to win battle system that came in release surely didn't change anything either.
>XV was finished
>But they're still updating to this day
(Because it's not finished)
>Literally begging SE for more because it is
No, they're begging SE for more FF in general. Not many people want more Kingdom Hearts: Faggot Band Edition.

>>376660029
I wish a car would run you over you.

Why is it always australia

>>376660029
Still not the best selling
XV only won 8. 7 won at least 12
http://gaming.wikia.com/wiki/Game_of_the_Year
Never mentioned metacritic
It isn't finished
People are begging for more because it isn't finished

>>376660431
>You do know pretty much all the major artists who worked at SE during the 90s even after leaving SE still work on SE games right? Yoshida still works on SE games, Naora still works on SE games, Kamikokuryo still works on SE games, Uematsu still works on SE games, Shimomura still works on SE games, Kenji Ito still works on SE games, Nojima still works on SE games, Amano still works on SE games etc, plus they still have people who worked on FF1 on NES at SE, same with any of the classic FFs, CT, etc.

And they're all shit now

What's your point

>>376660320
Which faggot are you? Inuhanyou? Heelpower? Squire? Dramatis? Go fuck yourself cuck.

>>376660612
>cuck
Wow, you finally learned a new insult after all these years

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>>376641127
>>376641215
They are japanese. Dumb fucking gooks can't make fun games anymore. That's why their companies are closing left and right.

A shame that they had to fuck up a good western dev like IO. Time will tell if Squeenix will focus on fanbait garbage games now or just panchinko machines.

>>376644265
>FF XV was fantastic

I hope nobody (exceptXV-kun) actually thinks this. That game is a prime example of how not to make a game.

>>376641283
>Nier
>good

I agree with KH though. Those games has always been fun, apart from the shovelware on the portable systems.

>>376646083

>posts pic of the worst game ever made from a dead series

kek

>>376660327
>Did XV also cure cancer?
Considering XV-Kun is alive and well, no.

>>376660327
No, I'm just stating things it did do.

>>376660464
There was no bait and switch, they were completely upfront about any changes happening to the game and demoed it multiple fucking times, not only are you literally ignoring 2 years of them putting out playable demos but you actually thought the E313 Altissia trailer was actually gameplay, if anyone lied to you it was Nomura. Ever since Tabata took over he's literally been saying it's not the same game as Versus and there is changes and he mentioned those changes. Fuck off with your revisionism.

By your logic FF7, FF8, FF10, KH1, KH2 and KHBBS weren't finished games when they released.

People are literally begging SE for more of XV specifically Ardyn, Luna and Aranea DLC episodes. Pull your head out of your ass.

>>376661050
Dann son

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>>376661050

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>>376641127

I knew it was doomed when they started talking about a universe. It just needed one more game to tie up loose ends.

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>>376661050

>Square Enix
>Breath of Fire

???????????

>>376660482
I wish you weren't such a little bitch getting triggered at facts.

>>376660551
XV is the fastest selling meaning at the current stage in its release it sold more compared to any other FF in the same time span.

And you can't seem to read since a bunch of those FF7 awards aren't even from its release years GOTY and is completely different awards.

XV has 8 GOTY and over 30 genre specific GOTY awards
FF7 has less than 8 actual GOTY awards

>>376660560
So literally "t-that doesn't count!?" after you were proven wrong.

>>376660736
So you're embracing it.

>>376660889
It's a prime example of how to make a great and profitable AAA FF game in the current market.

>>376661489
>over 30 stat padding awards that aren't actually GOTY
Ok
>7 has less
Be in denial, you know deep down that 7 has more

>>376660915
>apart from the shovelware on the portable systems.
that's the majority of the series

>>376661489
Neck yourself, AIDS baby. FFXV is horse shit and so are you.

>>376661708
No I know for a fact that XV has more because it objectively does.
FF7 got like 3 GOTY awards for 1997 and 10 genre specific awards in 1997.
XV got 8 GOTY awards for 2016 and 30 genre specific awards in 2016.

>>376661724
But they are kind of irrelevant, considering Sora is the main protagonist.

>>376661825
You first, XV was great while you're a piece of shit.

>>376661936
>3
Lol you only cheked 7's Wikipedia page, I gave you link that actually lists them all and now you're in denial

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>Hating on FFXV
>One of the finest JRPGs ever made that will be remembered for years to come

Why is /v/ so pleb?

>>376661489
>XV is the fastest selling

Source?

Ive seen numbers shipped, but not sold.

>>376660889
You are a prime example of how not to raise a child.

>>376660029
/thread

What's wrong with this XV-kun guy? I've seen him go full retard like this in P5, BoTW, and Nier threads.

Why is he so desperate to convince people XV was a good game?

>>376660029
>XV literally has more GOTY awards

Where?

>>376662401
>/threading your own post
>>376662226
Come on buddy, it's time for you to slow down.
>>376662468
It's the only thing he has left now that XV has turned out to be such a turd in the punch bowl.

>>376662401
The thread wasn't even just about XV though

>>376641127
>ruined Tomb Raider
But I lied nuTomb Raider

>>376662468
Dunno, he barely even put 2-3 hours into all those games. He just buys them to shit on them for no reason
He's probably unable to enjoy videogames anymore

>>376662468

I think he's just severely autistic IRL, which is pretty sad. Its best to just ignore him. Surprised mods haven't perma-banned him after all these years.

>>376641127
Does this mean the second season for hitman is canceled?

>>376662595

To him it is. He leads a sad life.

>>376657985
>They fired/forced/assassinated every talented key player that built Square & Enix
What about Akatoshi Kawazu? You know one of the guys that took part in creating Final Fantasy I?

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>>376662697
Still far better than not playing a game at all and just hating on it due to the "ebin /v/ hivemind xD" mentality like you're doing now with FFXV.

>>376662709
I'm surprised that melbourne isn't perma banned. That single day where /v/ hat flags was really useful

>>376662889

He doesn't play them though. He has 0% on most games.
FFXV is a legitimately bad game.

>>376662889
I never said that i dislike FFXV though. I played all of the four games and had fun with all of them, with some more than others. I jsut don't get why he does the shit he does in thse threads and others.
There's more than one person in this threads you know.

It's sad how desperate this kid is to prove XV isn't forgettable trash. Has to ruin threads for it, and nobody ends up caring in the end. It's threads are indicative of how bad the game is.

>>376641127
Nip CEOS are stupid fucks who got into the position because of how nip business hierarchy works. They can be literally shitbrains with an iq of 70 and still become CEO or upper management, calling the shots.
They are also completely out of fucking touch with the world, especially with anything that goes on outside of MUH STRONK JAPAN

>>376662889
https://psnprofiles.com/Bazztek
Sad!

>>376662889
>if you dislike XV you're just part of the hivemind lol

Oh fuck off XV is a terrible game, period.

i think xv is a good game and i'm not xv-nigger

>>376644265
>Hitman
>Justifiably axed
>sucked

Did we play the same game? The gameplay is the best it's been since Blood Money.

>>376663093
He's been here for years, shitting up every single thread even tangentially related to FFXV.

>>376663317
Faggots just mad because of MUH DRM

>>376663257

What makes it good?

The only pro I can give the game is enemy design.

>>376663257
I think the game is fine, but i still hate xv-kun
He made me less interested in the game over time

>>376663134
I wish XV Kun would accept the friend request I sent him on PSN.

>>376663437
i think the combat can be good , i think taking off on the road and flying around and then landing is fun while listening to cool music. some areas are good like the forest area. chocobos are the best in any final fantasy. i never cared for the enemy design, they all look like monsters that just go along with the game to me

>>376663446
i don't let other people influence what i like

>>376659119
Automata was already filled with lesbians.

Is there a reason xv-kun only shows up on /v/ and never on /vg/ is his autism not high enough to fight them? But then again he fits right in here if he wants it or not. He knows it

>>376664468

Probably because they actually ignore him, unlike here.

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>>376665064
Makes sense

What's surprising is the article sauid they considered Hitman Absolution a flop. That's weird because I remember it selling pretty well. How the fuck do you sell millions of copies and still lose money? The same thing happened to the Tomb Raider reboot.

>>376663719
>combat can be good

opinion discarded

>>376663097
can you please elaborate on the failings of nip business?

So who's going to buy IO? My guess is Bethesda.

Square-Enix and Capcom are worse than Activision and EA. At least with Activision and EA the moves are calculated to maximize profits, with the nips they just kill shit because of their own fucking incompetence.

>>376663719

>liked the combat
>likes generic forests
>cant appreciate the great enemy design

XV fans are honestly retarded.

>>376641127
>ruined Tomb Raider
I politely disagree with you.

Maybe, I can see the "not a good TR game" side, but I enjoyed the reboot, and am about to play Rise of the Tomb Raider.

>>376641127
>>force Io to make Hitman an online-only early access game and fire them when it sells 'lower than expected' despite near-universal acclaim after its 'first season' finishes


HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE, DID EIDOS GET SHITCANNED?? FFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

Those mother-fuckers, HitmanTM was absolutely fantastic. It would have sold like fucking crazy if Absolution hadn't fucked over any person who played it, and made them think the series was dead.

>>376651308
They made a video showing off gameplay from each game.

>>376641127
>SE
>BoF

Otherwise, yeah SE is retarded.

>>376666569
I was looking forwards to the new hitman,
then i realized it's episodic,
and i'm just waiting for a complete version to come out,
Is it out yet?
doesn't matter, i lost interests to even try it now

>>376666569
just got announced a few hours ago, Eidos is getting sold and shut down

It's important to note that like most big companies with multiple branches the american one is retarded and responsible for a lot of the stupid decisions. They're the ones running and bitching to the other western devs they keep buying up. And choosing not to localize games because its way easier to just buy another company and make them shovel out some shit and brand their name on it.

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>>376653112
We just had it. They let nintendo localize dq7, and 8 3ds. They localized Romsaga 2 and adventure of mana remakes, even if they were mobile. and Japan's been getting some great new games, but the good cycle is done so they aren't localizing anything that isnt named FF anymore again for another 8 years.

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>>376657578
fucking kill yourself if you think the steaming pile of disappointing shit that was FFXV was even remotely a good game let alone as good as automata

>>376667547

Just ignore him. He's probably been banned already.

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Who cares about SQE.

FF is now an action series, XV is a piece of shit.

At least Atlus is saving JRPGs with P5 and new Shin Megami Tensei games, also that new IP.

Maybe we can wait for something from Tokyo RPG Factory as I really liked Setsuna, only time will tell...

>>376667547
ffxv is garbage but automata is worse garbage

>>376667752
He just went to bed. He is weird he just shows up out of nowhere and then suddenly disappears even if he's in the middle of an argument.

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>>376655971
Enix didn't buy square. The two companies were talking about merging before the spirits within bust and the movie actually made Enix back out until Square could prove they weren't on dying feet. On top of that Square got all the real power after the merger, which is when Wada was put in charge and when SE officially went to shit for a fucking decade. Because a businessman was in charge, and not guys who like video games. matsuda actually likes games, which is why we've been getting more shit and why he's adding himself into games as dlc bosses and shit.

>>376667925

It's 11:30 am where he is. Pretty sure he's been banned for derailing the thread.

>>376667874
I do, and Square-Enix makes more than Final Fantasy.

>>376650597
Yes Man.

>>376667995
That never stopped him, knowing him his sleep schedule is probably fucked

>>376666362
No anon, that game flopped hard. Literally only good thing going for the last game was graphics, and even then it was poorly unoptimized especially in the Soviet area. Everything else was either shitty cardboard characters, railroaded gameplay with shooty-shooty and next to no raidy-raidy, a story that so resembles the one from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade I'm surprise Disney hasn't sued Square yet...just a complete fucking shitshow.

>>376662874
He's been making browser games for the past decade, and only just released a new game in his series since the ps2. And it was on the vita rather than ps4 and had less of a budget than Drakengard.

>>376668513
It has about 4.5 million combined sales, do you know what "flopped" means? Although knowing SE that's probably not good enough.

>>376668778
And also remastered Romancing SaGa 2 along with about to remaster Romancing SaGa 3.

Also don't care that came out on the Vita since I have that over the PS4. Seems like great minds think alike.

>>376669226
unfortunately being on the vita means no localization. Because SE isn't touching it in the west anymore. Hell did kawazu ever update on him saying he was trying to get it on vita in the west

>>376641127
Doesn't matter they can shit out another DQ and be good for the next 5 years

>>376666912
DRM is always bullshit, but it doesn't ruin the game. I bought it after it all came out so I personally didn't deal with much bullshit.

But the first 4 episodes are honest to god the best Hitman experiences I have ever had. It's like they completely polished Blood Money and took away every faggy thing it didn't need.

The only thing it needed to be literally perfect is shitcan episode 5 and expand episode 6 a bit, plus have sexier bitches that give you hard-ons when you slit their throats.