Teams are abandoning 'Overwatch' before its offici

This mean OW was fotm cashgrab

>>376606212
Good. The only thing keeping OW alive is it's manufactured controversies

E-sports are cancer that kill games for 99.9% of players since devs always choose to balance around it

>>376606212
>activision blizzard
>competitive
oh am I laughing

>$20 million to franchise a team

WHAT THE FUCK

I was plat last season now im not. Fuck this game. Fuck the noobs I get paired with bringing me down.

>>376606212
When will Blizzard realize you can't make an esport out of a casual game for children.

Oh no, how will they ever find more people athletic enough to play a video game

>>376606803
get good enough to carry the team, easy

>>376606750

He says as Esports games have the highest user base in the current core game market.

Why do people always turn casual games into "esports"?

Hearthstone, Overwatch and so on

>>376606782

(((e-sports)))

How do you even play this game competitively
Isn't it all just ult spamming

the only contact I've had with this game since a month after it came out is fapping to Mei

let me just post a disparaging comment about esports so I can try to fit in

see you guys back on r/leagueoflegends

>>376606934
People don't

Companies do

>>376606212
Their dumbass city/nation-based league idea is bound to fail, so yea, Blizzard fucks up yet another competitive scene because of their inept ability to control the market

Because having a franchise cost of 20 mill is fucking retarded when LoL is only 2-5 mill. What the fuck was blizzard thinking?

>>376606995

any idiots with a solid lineup and the ability to use a microphone will do very well in this game. most of it comes down to synergy between abilities or knowing when to use crucial abilities

john marston using his ult after a mercy ult for example

>>376606934
There is a bigger playerbase so there's more views/money in it, instead of pushing for more niche or higher skill cap games, not that hard of a concept.

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>Competitive Overwatch

>>376607306
it's almost as if it's a competition to see who can do these things better or something

What games have the highest skill ceiling?

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>>376607382
Pic related, imo. but any discussion regarding this always devolves into "my game is better than your game, faggot." So.

>>376606212
OW was never competitive to begin with. It's literally babby's first shooter that takes no skill at all. I dodged a bullet when I played the beta and rekt everyone with ease.

>>376607382
Chess

>>376607382
I feel like quake did a lot of things right in a fast paced shooter. I haven't played the new one, but if they did it right and just did an updated version of the old one, it should be pretty popular.

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>>376606212
>$20 mil for franchising the team to play in OW MLG
Nigger fucking what? None of the teams ever got so much money from tourney earnings, I understand that there's a hefty amount of money also coming from sponsorship, but holy shit, 20 fucking million.

Why Overwatch garbage can't stick to a single thread already? Fuckin overhyped game for retarded sheep.

>>376607363

i was explaining that, my goy

>>376606212

Basically, Blizzard is trying to draw in "real" sports orgs to be team owners (which is part of the reason why they're making teams be location-based) which inevitably means that the financial barrier for entry becomes too high for most if not all existing esports orgs to afford.

>>376607382
Fps: quake 3
Rts: starcraft 1
Fighting: street figther 2
Teamplay: cs 1.6

>>376607530
Because it gets you mad

Activision-Blizzard bought MLG? Damn I had no idea. I used to play MLG halo 2 back in the day

>>376607382
RTS games.

>>376607382
Quake 3/Live

>>376607090
Fucking this, it's so common nowadays.

So how viable would it be to launder money using an esports team.

Honestly if Blizzard is gonna throw money down a hole I'd rather they throw it at Brood War. At least the games are fun to watch.

I'm not under any delusions that Remastered will make new players pick it up siince it doesn't have """"""""""quality of life"""""""""" features that modern """""""""""""""""""gamers""""""""""""""""""" require, but at least the pro matches are entertaining.

It's Overwatch literally the MLP of shooters?

>>376607631
Seeing as they actually don't make any money for you to put on the tax return, not very.

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>Competitive overwatch
wew laddie, will they also add a hardcore mode with no abilities and reduce hitbox size? lmao

>>376607473
either certain RTS games for all the right reason or Melee for all the wrong ones, although once you reach a certain level in
any these comp scenes I question how certain people can really have any fun.

>>376607640
>starcraftshitters
you're the only reason this pretentious game is getting a remaster in the first place

>>376606750
>balancing games at a high level is a bad idea

Stop being bad yo.

>>376606212
>Blizzard wants $20 million for a team slot that won't get any revenue sharing until 2021
>League of Legends slots are about $2 million each and LoL is a far bigger game than OW

Why is Blizzard so dumb?

>>376606750
this is some high level competitive bait

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>>376607718
Which other Blizzard sub-section would you be from, son? Overwatch? HotS? WoW?

>>376607718
>the only reason the game gets a remaster is an audience that company can monetize
Uh, thanks for the explanation, I guess?

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>>376606883
>get good enough to carry the team
>character or strategy i use is nerfed into the ground
>this happens every 3 weeks

People who claim Overwatch can be competitive is like those people who claimed MLP had deep or complex themes into it.

>>376606803
M8 my gf is Plat and she has like 30 games played in ranked and I'm always touching her whenever she plays. I thought Plat was average

ow as a competitive game is so bland lol

>>376607558
>Teamplay: cs 1.6
wrong that's Dota 2, cs 1.6 has almost no teamplay except smokes/flashes and covering asses/corners.
Also i'd argue Dota 2 is also harder than Starcraft where you do only same thing ever with limited strategy involved and who clicks more wins, it's ADHD strategy not real RTS. So stop calling it RTS.

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>>376606212
>competitive overwatch
what?

>>376607558
>Street Fighter 2

Why? I'd argue some version of Guilty Gear would be the deepest 2D fighter, since there's an insane amount of options in that game.

Outside of that, fairly agreeable.

Keep in mind OW is already a billion dollar franchise. Seattle or Seoul wants a team, they can prob make their own skins or loot box items, make money off it.

This could the stepping stone to true e sport legitimacy, having location based teams in what is a new, and hugely successful franchise.

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>>376608018
>this post
mobafags are truly subhumans

>>376608018
>you do only same thing
confirmed for never having played starcraft

>>376607382
The real answer is Dota 2

>>376607492
>>376607473
route memorization, not real skill

>>376607936
>not one tricking decent but non-meta picks
cmon man.

>>376607497
> it should be pretty popular
the genre itself is only popular because there is nothing more casual at the time they reign supreme. All ist lost when cs was released.

>>376607703
There's a certain rush you get out of being absolutely flawless in either your mechanical inputs or your decision making. It's what keeps people coming back to games like Melee.

>>376608143
Nigga you can try to remember as many Chess routes as you want; any actually good player will outplay you really fast.

>>376606750

Bronze level bait at best. You gotta be more subtle.

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>>376607492
>not Chess 2: The Sequel

boy if competitive tf2 was a joke as concept then this in a whole new level
>press q to win

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It's like when I saw people trying to go competitive in TF2

For what purpose

So if a team wants to compete in OW official league they gotta buy a spot for $20 million?
I dont really understand sports stuff like this plz spoonfeed me im retarded

>>376607975
Mid-high gold to very early plat is average, yeah.

>competitive Overwatch
Why?

>>376607880
pretty sure all of blizzard works on all of their games, all blizzard games are awful anyway

>>376607492
Chess is a crappy tactical turn based RPG developed by a bunch of monkeys.

Right away you'll notice Chess has no storyline. Instead, all you notice is the the White army and the Black army are fighting each other over a battlefield. Note the "a battlefield," because Chess only has one story map.

As for the actual combat, it's extremely dull. Each unit can kill another with only one hit. This means units with a real good movement ability dominate the field (more on that bellow). There aren't even any combat animations or anything that happens in combat. One unit moves on it's space and "captures" it, and the piece is removed from the game with no form of action or special effects.

Yawn.

Chess has shitty class balance. The Queen is flat out overpowered while your actual front line units, the Pawns. can't do shit. I think the developers were afraid that no one would use the female character so they buffed up her abilities really high but now theres no point in using any other unit.

The rest of the units suck. Rooks can only move in 4 directions, same with Bishops. Boring. Also, whats up with the Knight? It has the most bizzare combat abilities of all the units. They're retardly hard to use cause they jump around like retards to move and attack. The devs should have named this unit Ninja, since Knights didn't jump around like that in real life.

Worst part, is the king. You see, the devs decided that if your king gets captured, you instantly lose the game. W-T-F? This wouldn't be a problem, except that he can't move for crap. Seriously, the most important unit in the game can only move 1 space a turn? Good luck keeping him alive while every other unit in the game dances around him.

Unbalanced classes, lackluster gameplay, and not to mention repetitive 1 hour+ games. Chess is not worth the time or your money. Buy Final Fantasy Tactics or Disgaea instead.

3 out of 10.

>>376608136
>muh butthurt starshit APM addicted junkie

Whole gameplay bases about APM, early game you only spam muh mehrines or equivelent on other races units to kill early economy of enemy by killing his builders who collect resources, at same time you try to build 2nd base. And later you keep on trying to kill enemy, expanding base and building stronger units and spam more basic units. Where is strategy in there? Every game is the same only thing that may change is race of enemy where you will may have trouble to kill some units.

Dota 2 > Starshit APM addicted drug addicts
>>376608116
so as you are animefag

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>>376608323
Digital Sports don't even come close to that kind of money

Put it this way
Last year the top grossing Volleyball tournament in America was around 500k USD

These niggas want 20mil USD upfront to make your team official

>>376608323
buying prestige and the help of blizzard's marketing machine.

>>376608274
Advance AI does just that for chess, and it's basically unbeatable at this point.

>>376608427
No they don't, they have teams. Maybe some of the artists go from team to team where they are needed, but most the management does not, as evident from how differently the games are being handled, HotS in particular.

Bait thread, competitive Overwatch was thriving before Blizzard announced their meme league with astronomical buy-in prices. Competitive Overwatch is dying because Blizzard is actively killing it, not because it's a bad game.

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Competitive OW is necessary. Its a containment mode. QP is more fun and chill when all the underage try hards are in comp stroking their ego and blaming everyone but themselves.

>>376608054
doing all the unblockable setups and pressure bullshit required to play street fighter 2 at a high level arguably takes more skill than anything in GG

>>376608432
Chess is a roguelike, not an RPG.

>>376608434
Stop posting. You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>376608432
Kek. 10/10 great pasta.

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>>376608558
I'm fucking convinced that some no knowledge suit saw Dota2's prize pools and was like LETS HAVE THAT

But went in without knowing how ANY of this works
20mil for franchising? You killed your franchise right there at that fucking buy in

Niggas woulda lined up around the corner if you just offered them 20 bucks and a bag of Cool Ranch Doritos

>>376608581
QP is hardlock Genji/Widowmaker/Hanzo on every team which makes QP teams less diverse than any comp meta.

>>376608797
he actually believe it

>>376608756
The real shame is the fucking owners of the Patriots and Dolphins already bought slots. They've set a precedent, so now Blizzard won't lower the buy-in cost. The league is dead in the water. Pro teams are already disbanding because they can't afford buy-ins. It's over for comp OW.

>>376609095
Who cares? There are still grass roots games left.

>there's no minesweeper-eSports-league
Sad!

>>376608725
>t. butthurt starshit fuckboi

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>>376608206
i always tend to find the garbage D tier characters the most fun so i end up just meta slaving instead.
sucks man

>>376607497
The new one is unfortunately pretty bad. Quake is a series that was trying to innovate itself with each reiteration and I actually wouldn't have minded skills, but it's ridiculous. They can't even get the basic game right. Strafejumping is fucked up, in the sense that you have to play a certain character to be faster than someone else is just walking. You have no aircontrol or strafe control. The weapons are awkward as hell, like the shotgun is shooting slugs that is on par with the railgun. Can't have drawgun 0 or forceenemymodel, you're forced to look at 90% of the players using a female character skin because they're special snowflakes now. That's just the tip of whats wrong with the core game. The skills itself are ridiculously OP, like teleporting across the map or having a wallhack. Every. 15. Seconds. They're going to make duels annoying to watch because people are going to figure out that they can just escape indefinitely after a 1 point lead. It's BM but it's going to happen. It's the same issue that persists with Overwatch, where you have unlimited ammo and dedicated healing characters, both are just factors that draw out a game way too long, instead of focusing on pickups for healing.

honestly dota 2 and quake are the only esports i can enjoy. thing is i don't even play either of them anymore but watching them being played at a competitive level is fucking great. kiev major for dota2 was terrific and the international starts in a few months.

>>376609306
Dude, playing defensively/evasively with a lead has always been a thing in quake

>>376609304
Not sure if your pic is related to your post but nunu is a fucking A tier jungle on all ranks

>>376609186
Because Overwatch was the one chance for esports to actually take off and become a thing. Critically acclaimed, super popular normie game that is also a hit with the esports crowd, run by a company that has the money to do anything? Blizzard could have made Overwatch become a household name, but they fucked it up with their greedy bullshit by pricing the buy-ins at astronomical prices that no one can afford. It's astounding how badly they fucked up when they had the world at their fingertips. They've killed their own game, at least in the competitive scene.

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>>376606750

>>376607382
quake
brood war
>>376607558
>cs
No.

>>376606212
reminder that league of legends spot costs around 1.8 milion dollars

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>>376608472
What is even Blizzards plan here? Existing E-Sports organizations arent going or cant pay that much money, and if their plan is to have cities sponsor teams for that much they're delusional. I really doubt you can convince whatever old dude is in charge of something like that to put down that kinda dosh on competitive sitting and pushing buttons.

>>376608797
I do instalock Genji in QP. He's one of the few dudes I find fun but I'm not good enough for ranked with him yet.

>>376609424
i havent played league in a couple seasons at this point, maybe something has changed. i always felt like i was spinning my wheels trying to starve the lee sin when he could just walk into lane and farm my retards instead.

>>376609460
>Because Overwatch was the one chance for esports to actually take off and become a thing.
You are talking out of your ass. Esports are already a thing. Overwatch is not a good competitive game. Stop spewing shit.

>>376609616
>not good with an ez mode top tier character

goddammit kid

>>376609460
dota's international tournament was being broadcast on espn

>>376609304
i never play meta since it feels like i don't improve if i have a pure champ advantage. just play what you find fun.

>>376609413
There's no such thing, my man. In Quake, a "defensive" player is going to take armor before you can do. That's not defensive, that's aggressive. The issue here is that the player on the losing end can see if the timer didn't respawn a powerup and conclude that you took it (Which by the way is displayed in Quake Champions, no need to learn timers good goy) and then just head the other direction and eventually able to wittle you down with predictive RL shots.

If you can teleport across the map every 15 seconds, then whoever you're playing against has no actual capability of catching up to you. Ever. Because they will never see you. There's no need to deny pickups, because you will never end up in a fight like this.

>>376609460
>Blizzard could have made Overwatch become a household name
Lmao no, not even League can make that claim despite being f2p and immensely popular. Are you a shill?

doesn't matter all that much honestly
"E-sports" is all marketing anyway they'll just pay a bunch of popular e-celebs to play and it wouldn't make a difference

>>376609460
I don't give a shit about it taking off. Try searching for "If esports explodes, does Dota 2 care?" for an article that explains it much better than I can.

tl;dr nerds will always have fun putting on tournaments even if corps aren't involved.

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>>376609603
They read the word sports and just assume SPONSORS SPONSORS SPONSORS

Digital Sports dont have that kind of exposure and I'm convinced that they saw Dota2's TI prizepool and assumed they could do those numbers without knowing how those numbers came to be

Old niggas tryin to be relevant

>>376609767
>"E-sports" is all marketing anyway
no

>>376609721
You're conflating the lead with map control. If a player has a lead in frags, but has lost map control and the timer is ticking down. the best play is to +back all you can.

>>376609678
>esports are already a thing
They aren't taken seriously, the prize pools are pitiful and the teams are run by third-party organizations instead of a central league. I'm talking an actual household thing like the NFL. ESPN is just barely getting into esports, but they broadcast games that normies don't want to watch like Dota and League.

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>there's a timeline where blizzard got the rights to dota and made dota 2 and were in charge of the dota 2 competitive scene
what a disturbing thought

>>376609930
>prize pools are pitiful
Have you seen any of the Dota events? It's not like esports will ever compete with traditional sports since those guys are seriously overpaid, but that's not chump change.

>>376609896
You can never back into a corner in Quake, what are you talking about? If you truly just aim for survival and escape, then you need pickups. At the very least, you try to be on the opposite end of the map of the person you're playing against - which is a skill in itself predicting where your opponent are. If you have a 15 second ability that does all of this above with the push of a button, then you somehow still agree that this is a sensible addition? Are you mad?

>>376609863
yeah it is, has been since it went mainstream and it works very well for sustaining a playerbase
csgo is a good example

>>376610084
Okay you don't know what +backing is or what defensive play is, which leads me to conclude you've never played Quake at any level.

>>376609978
>there's a timeline where Valve wanted more players and made dota 2 more like League of Legends and Heroes of the Storm to make players play dota 2

oh wait, we're still in it

>>376610203
>it's ok when literally every game in existence rips off dota but god forbid dota takes some stuff from other games
blizzshill

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>>376607328
>Competitive Basketball

>>376610084
he means running rather than engaging in fights
which only happens at the end of the match since if your not fighting over items you'll just get out stacked eventually
most quake matches are pretty one sided anyway

>>376610086
>csgo is a good example
csgo is a horrible example because csgo as an esport only got really popular thanks to betting. it only recently(like a year ago) got a lot marketing.
which brings me to my point. most of the notable esports didnt get there from marketing

>>376608295
>IT'S HIIIIIGH NOO-ARYSGGAJDGDO

>>376610289
Dota ripped off Blizzard first.

>>376610289

jokes on you, Im a dota 2 fag but understand that the game has been pandering to those audiences for the past 2 years, because valve knows pissing off old players isnt going to make them leave, because they have too much time invested into the game

>>376610365
Basketball is a much deeper game than Overwatch though

>>376606750
I would hope they choose to balance around the high tier players, balancing around low tier players turns into a mess of everything getting nerfed because they constantly complain about shit being "overpowered" when the things they are complaining about would be easily dealt with if they were better players.

>>376610379
the whole betting/competitions etc are all a part of it though

There is no and will not be a better esport viewing experience than CSGO.
And even CSGO is making tiny amount of profit because people watch it for free. At some point they have to put everything behind a paywall.

OW is terrible for competitions.

It's fucking smash bros of competitive FPS, people try to play it seriously but it's still a babies game.

>>376610365
Found the pro player

>>376610378
idk dude

rapha literally never fights anyone unless he's stacked af and he's one of the best players in the game, if not the best

>>376606782
ActiBlizz trying to run before it can walk.

>>376610513
csgo betting didnt even have marketing until much later (well after it was well known by the community).

>>376610203
How is taking steps to grow the audience a bad thing? Compare everything Valve did to Blizzard's handling of SC2's 'esports' and there's no comparison.

>>376610495
just bounce the ball around nigga :-D

>>376610412
Ults don't have to kill, they just have to neutralize an area for your team. That could mean opening a chokepoint with D.va ult or allowing your team to hold an area with healer ults.

>>376610495
>have rules
>ignore them anyway because niggers are dumb and cant count steps

>>376610203
>more like League of Legends
I don't get this, i mean HotS i guess with talents, but in what way have they tried to be more like League?

>>376607671
No, Counterstrike is the MLP of shooters. A vocal minority of creepy fans who keep trying to tell you how deep/complex their thing is.

>>376610556
>At some point they have to put everything behind a paywall.
buy game to spectate in client to get a loot

>>376610509
the game will never be balanced, it's all too loose and disjointed so blizzard will keep making adjustments every now and then to keep it fresh
it's a joke

>>376610582
Basketball is not balanced though.

>>376610570
if you mean brawl, then yes
if not, then you're a flaming retard who has never watched professional melee

https://youtu.be/8vyBV94K4SE

>>376610792
Oh i'm not on about Overwatch balance, i just mean balancing a competitive game in general, you should never listen to the lower tier players because they will make dumb suggestions.

>>376607497
Quake was never fast until unreal came around

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>>376610797
Did anyone besides you infer that?
Your pro scene is shit bub

>>376608018
>if you remove the teamplay, it has no teamplay

Brilliant work, anon.

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>>376610716
>have rules hardwired into the game
>ignore them anyways because Blizzdrones are too stupid to hit targets that move like a snail

>>376610797
what the fuck
It's literally a mirrored court with the same number of players on each team and one ball
how the fuck does it get any more balanced than that?

Do you think Blizzard know that they killed SC2 esports and almost BW yet? Or do you think they just pretend they didn't and go give their next game a push and make the same mistakes as before?

>Cheating is still rampant in E sports.
>Pro highlights always have that sticky robot aim

Mfw all you need to do is claim you're a pro and sign to a team and casual's will lap up any excuse you give for your aim bot like aim.

I wonder how it feels to be part of an industry where everyones careers rely on Valve/riot/blizzard. What job security is there in esports? None afaik.

>>376610940
its the second thing

>>376610891
i'm just saying cs 1.6 and csgo teamplay is shallow if you compare it to dota 2 teamplay

>>376608529
Actually that's mostly not how computer chess works. They have opening books and endgame tablebases, but you can turn those off and they'll still be better than humans. Chess software actually does evaluate and calculate a given position, it's not just memorization.

>>376607382
Rocket League.

>>376610698
It would.
Except Mcree's doesn't do that anymore since he's blocked/killed/slept/stunned/deflected/otherwiseneutralised by everything in the game, with minimal HP to even dream about toughing through a second or two of damage if a DPS decides to blink in his general direction.
This would be somewhat mitigated if he didn't lose every scrap of charge from his ult every time he even tried to start it.

But as it is, it is very definitely not Press Q to win.

And no, I'm not talking about the idiocy of trying for a six-man High Noon. You're usually lucky even to get the other team to move, let alone a kill

>>376610937
Genetics. A 6 foot 11 guy will always be better than a 6 foot 2 guy at throwing a ball into a 7 foot high hoop. It's like Oddjob in Goldeneye. Size matter.

>>376607549
So they essentially want das juden to own teams and completely cut off the goys.

>>376610957
Well its not so much relying on Valve/Riot/Blizzard but more the games popularity

>>376610841
MvC2 easily has over 10 inputs per second

>>376610858
what is this even supposed to mean?
maybe you should go and watch some old quakecon demos

>>376611102
battleborn?

>>376610957
Valve could cancel TI forever and Dota2 would still live on, though it would mean less money so surely some careers would end and would never start. Riot and Blizzard essentially have a monopoly on their games though and choke out any other tournaments with awful scheduling or participation rules. The only reason BW still lives today is that Blizzards shitty tournament for SC2 is being ignored so all the pros moved back to it.

>>376606212
overshit

>>376611198
MvC2 is braindead

>>376610937
Do you know anything about basketball? Why do you think Jordan won 6 championships, or the Lakers dominated for so long with Kobe and Shaq? Team who can afford the best players will win, that's not balanced. Same with baseball (Yankees) and NFL.

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>>376610749
Turrets are more durable now and buff players around it, shifting the playstyle from defending towers to being defended by towers.

Intelligence is now literally AP from League of Legends and scales magic damage.

Wood changes that are supposed to make it less profitable than ganking, because counter jungling and ganking the jungler doesn't exist, amirite.

New items take the idealogy from LoL, with a really high distribution of multiple stats and an ability. There are two items that is literally a carbon copy of items in LoL.

Micro intensive heroes were dumbed down in favour of new players, such as Invoker who was already pretty fucking bad and Arc Warden.

Support/Ward changes that shift the game towards having a lot of impact for almost virtually no gold investment. It wouldn't suprise me if they made them free like LoL, because they're essentially only 2 creeps in cost now.

etc. I could go on and on. Valve has become a corporation that now only concentrates on cosmetics and doing anything they can to maximize their profits from that, which is by pissing off old dota players in hopes that they get some people from LoL or HotS who now find the game a lot more accessible. Gambling on the hope that those players end up spending money on skins that will in turn hook them indefinitely to the game, regardless where it is headed. Hell, CS:GO wasn't even made by Valve. It's a rejected CSS port for the xbox and yet they took over to squeeze as much money out of it as they can.

>>376606782
That's just above average for esport

>>376611128
that's the player not the game

>>376611201
I've played tf classic for a while. It wasn't until quake 3 where the game got a lot faster in response to unreal being much faster and more sucessful

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Why are fighting games so unpopular compared to other esports, especially mobas?
They are so much more fun to watch, they don't take 30 minutes to an hour for one match, skill ceiling on most are really high

>>376611274
Wrong

>>376611476
high barrier of entry

>>376611414
let me make the most balanced game in the woeld and add rule that when i play i win

>>376611323
>Team who can afford the best players will win, that's not balanced.

That's what happens with esports especially Korean esports.

>>376611102
how would you win? kill the structure and plant the bomb? would there be alterations to the player or classes or would you just pop minions over and over for an ak/awp? could you just invalidate another player's farming completely by killing them and taking their weapon? it could be interesting

>>376610858
Quake was never fast until a few bunny hoppers started perpetuating the "speed" of Quake, going a lot faster than the game was designed. Even with the perceived prevalence of strafe jumping and bunny hopping and all that, most people who play Quake go at a pretty slow pace.

Just like how Tribes wasn't about going fast downhill until the players all had to adopt the exploit to excel in the first game, and devs decided to run with it in sequels. Tribes could have actually expanded into something actually cool, a sci-fi combined arms game, but instead it became a boring meme focused entirely around skiing.

>>376611128
>Genetics
>>376611323
>Team who can afford the best players will win,

Those are some shit-tier arguments guys

>>376611521
meant for
>>376611198

>>376611476
The average viewer has no delusion of ever playing that well.
Moba players all think they're almost as good as the pros and follow the meta religiously

>>376611630
thats still battleborn concept

>>376611712
>tribes
>boring
>I'd rather have "a sci-fi combined arms game" aka planetside 2 instead of going fast and blasting people midair
How the fuck can you have taste this horrible

>>376606212

a game this casual shouldn't have a pro scene

>>376611810
why? bring some arguments

>>376611476
thug culture
https://twitter.com/KingLothian/status/858390775566139393

>>376611414
If you played Basketball with fully balanced people, there would be heights limits. Just like in Boxing.

>>376611719
Except it's literally true. The Yankees won so many World Series because they have way more money to spend than other teams, allowing them to buy tons of expensive contracts like Jeter and A-Rod. That's not balanced at all. I have a feeling you don't actually watch sports.

>>376611712
quake is still a fast paced game regardless of bunnyhopping
I can't imagine playing tribes without surfing, it must have been kinda boring

>>376611858
that's making fighting games more popular as an esport if anything

>>376611476
Because no one plays them and no one understands wtf is going on
If you need to have played the game for 300 hours before you can tell what's happening, it wont be a popular viewing experience
Mobas are an exception only because of the billions of chinamen who play and watch them like soulless automatons
That's why CSGO has grown from a niche game to the most popular esport in the west, it doesnt take a PhD in game theory to understand when someone outsmarted an opponent or hit an amazing shot

>>376611890
Yes but it's a factor outside the game
Nothing will ever be balanced if you take outside factors into the equation

>>376611102
There's already multiple mods like that for 1.6 and probably CSS now. The Warcraft mod even adds creeps and shit in camps.

>>376607754
>can't play this character. or that character.
>can't use any of these abilities
>can't use grenades either or any of these weapons
>none of these maps are ok

playing e-sports is like agreeing to THAT kid's rules when playing a videogame.

>>376611926
Do you think tens of millions of white people are going to watch some nignogs play a fighting game?

>Blizzard bought MLG

That explains a lot actually.

>>376611964
But that's a result of bad balancing

>>376611795
Tribes is simple shit dumbed down from its original vision. You can go as many sanics as you want, but speed stops contributing to a game after a very low threshold. After that point, it only becomes a detriment to the game as fewer things will be viable at those speeds.
It was way more interesting when the vehicles were actually worth a damn.

>>376611476

High barrier of entry is part of it as >>376611589
said, but another gigantic problem with fighting games' broad appeal is that the way the game is played at high levels breaks the visual metaphor on which the game is based.

https://youtu.be/pS5peqApgUA?t=1m34s

Like watch this bit, try and imagine what it would look like in "real life". It's risible! Obviously it makes perfect sense why it is happening IF YOU ALREADY UNDERSTAND THE GAME, but if it happened in a Bruce Lee movie you'd be like "what the fuck is this nonsense". The good thing about other esports is that high level play makes sense to look at even if you know nothing about how the game is played. The video I just posted looks like a couple of retards pretending to fight.

>>376606750

pretty much this.

>>376610954
>Cheating is still rampant in E sports.
How? Do players get to use their own computers and equipment for tournaments?

>>376612061
>After that point, it only becomes a detriment to the game as fewer things will be viable at those speeds.
Yes but who cares
There's pleny of games where you can drive vehicles and pewpew with any kind of weapon
Tribes has this unique thing where you go extremely fast and ahve to be exceptionally good at leading targets
I played the game for hundreds of hours using nothing but spinfusor variants
There's any number of other games you can play if you want to go slow and have a variety of tools

>>376611387
>Turrets are more durable now and buff players around it
I thought that was to mostly stop the deathball meme meta, unless they changed it more since then

>Intelligence is now literally AP
Int still does the same things it originally did so no its not literally AP, but that is pretty shitty to increase spell damage with Int

>Wood changes
Yeah the changes to the spawn times pissed me off, pretty stupid change.

>New items take the idealogy from LoL
Not really what i got from the new items, most of the items have the same stat distribution as others of the same price range.

>There are two items that is literally a carbon copy of items in LoL
Only one i can think of is Octarine

>Micro intensive heroes were dumbed down
How was Invoker dumbed down?

>Support/Ward changes
As someone who often ends up playing support i welcome these changes

>>376611729
A single rep of a ROM is about a second (most likely even less) and that's 13 inputs on it's own. Add in assists and any extra wavedashing or trijumps to get positioning and you've got a shitload of inputs in 60 frames.

>>376611996
if they roast each other and chimp out yes, for sure. it's got the same effect on people that the real world and other reality TV had in the late 90s. all i ever hear people mention about fighting game streams are muh hype and MAHVEL LOL

>20 million
>For not a proven E-sports
>When 5% of that can get you a decent dota2 team
>Or a LoL team
Fuck the blizz jews.

>>376611476
A big part of it is people like to watch the games they actually play.
Like I've only ever watched one fightan tourney and it was cause I was kinda into SF4 at the time. I still respect fightan games and want to watch them but I just never feel like it cause I barely know these games.
I still remember that tourney though cause it made me really like Daigo. JWong put him into losers bracket and even got a perfect on him and he climbed back up to the finals and stomped Wong like a shounen anime protagonist.

>>376612128
>The good thing about other esports is that high level play makes sense to look at even if you know nothing about how the game is played


MOBAs and RTS look like nothing if you don't know how to play the games. Shooters and racing games are the most accessible to watch and understand.

>>376606750

>heres my idea instead guys
>make a competitive game but balance it around no talent shitters in bronze tier open match making
>change all existing esports games so that players using controllers and playing at >30fps can play on even footing with KB+M players at <60fps

wow great ideas there anon. you should pitch this new strategy to your manager at Radiant Entertainment

>>376609827
just think about it. they are asking a whole fucking TI prizepool per team to be allowed to enter the league. thats fucking ridiculous even for bli$$ard standards. they are delusional for thinking that OW will ever become a big esport like dota is, hell even rocket league is more of an esport than this casual game.

>>376611387
you dont know what your fucking talking about

A hero and 1 creep wave can kill a tower in 2 waves if the hero has wave clear

It takes 2 mystic staffs to increase AP by 3%

Woods was changed because everyone was buying iron talons and becoming a jungle hero

Octarine gives some viability to late game spell casters and lotus orb increases skill cap, meanwhile lol still has only passive items

how are u even bringing up 30 spell invoker. Arc warden was non interactive cancer

changes to support so they have impact on the game past 20 minutes

You could go on and on about fuck all, last major has most competitive games to date

>>376611476
Because all the impressive stuff isn't actually visible up front, you have to be knowledgeable about the game mechanics to get it
And nobody sane would willingly play fightan games that much

>>376611476

Fighting games are fun to watch even if you're a casual because you don't have to know the detailed mechanics to get what's going on, but hard to get into playing as a casual because you have to know a lot of those detailed mechanics to go beyond trash tier. RTSes are similar in that respect.

FPSes are, at least in my opinion, kind of the opposite in that respect- they work well as casual games but not as well as spectator sports, just because of the nature of how the gameplay works (ie it's hard to follow everything that's going on, especially if you're not familiar with the maps/mechanics.)

MOBAs managed to be the most popular esport genre overall because they work decently well casually and fairly well as spectator sports.

>>376608581
oh my god does anyonve have a video of this match

There was no money in the scene at all. It look pathetic compared to the supposed millions of players blizzard claimed was playing the game. Somehow we got millions playing a game but only washed up TF2 and quake pros seem to be on the top teams?????

>>376608581
>Blame everyone but themselves
>He says as he posts definitive proof of blizzards shit matchmaking
Nice one

>>376612407
A lot of wannabe esports games are opposite to CS in terms of watchability and inherently understanding whats going on.
Even when its a shooter like OW the watchability is just less.

is an videogame player an athlete?

>>376612239
they use their own mice

>>376607492
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RHLtx9r2LA

>>376611091
I like how no one has hit the ceiling yet, it makes each new rlcs season more unpredictable and exciting.

>>376611476
>*berk*

>>376611403
>above average.
Yeah... Well above average.

>>376612538
No since athletes are naturally sexy by the virtue of being athletes.

>>376608018
Posts this bad should be a bannable offense.

>>376612385

They look like magical hero men/armies fighting each other. I agree that a new player isn't necessarily going to understand all the metagame meme shit but the fact is that the basic visual metaphor the game employs works just as well whether you have 10000 hours or never played it. Fighting games have the problem that while two complete newbies playing the game looks quite a bit like two idiots punching each other repeatedly, high level play looks two idiots conducting a bizarre interpretive dance that doesn't in any way resemble fighting.

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>>376612692
:* just because you say so?

>>376607326
Actually Overwatch has a very small esports scene and it isn't that healthy at all at the moment. Very low prize pools compared to games like CS, Dota, LoL, and yet blizzard keeps claiming there are millions of players???? I'm not understanding how we're suppose to believe blizzard's numbers when the scene is completely shit. It's worse than console call of duty right now. And this blizzard league thing they are doing is going to murder everyone trying to run a high level league for the game.

it probably means engadget is salty about not being bribed by blizzard recently

>>376612808
20 million for a franchise is fucking horse shit too. Hard to have an esport scene when Blizzard controls every aspect of the scene.

Blizzard is trying to make this as big as NFL & NBA, but it's just not possible

20 million is way too much, LOL is way less than that

>>376612808
They lie. OW has SOLD millions but most quit when comp came out and they realized "oh right, it's blizzard balance" and quit. Just like every other game they tried to make competitive. Brood war was the only competitive game they ever made and that was completely by accident. They even resisted the Korean esports scene at first.
Then every other intentional attempt to make a competitive game has ended miserably, wow arena, hots, sc2, hearthstone and now overwatch. It's just pathetic

>>376611127
McCree's old ult would probably work today.
Cancelling his ult was a good mechanism, then BlizzFuck decides to nerf all ult gains and ignores Cree.

But whatever, its nu-Blizzard, I can't expect decent stuff.

>>376612937
If a gaming news article gets a thread on /v/ its justification enough for it to exist.
Controversy = virality

>>376608018
>Also i'd argue Dota 2 is also harder than Starcraft where you do only same thing ever with limited strategy involved and who clicks more win

SC2 is a lot harder than Dota 2 and I would even argue that League of Legends is harder than Dota 2. I can play Dota 2 and just put kids into a dumpster with almost any hero I random (thanks valve for taking the last pick random away from me in ranked you motherfuckers). 0-30 minutes is literally me shitting on people with unorthodox item choices and playstyles, because the way you win Dota, is by making sure people are dead and have less gold than you. It gives my team enough time to get beefy enough to dumpster them themselves and make me obsolete while they farm creeps.

League of Legends is harder than Dota 2, because there's no courier, no tp scrolls and everyone has to farm for 50 minutes until 2-3 teamfights decide the game. Your lead is also much easier lost because there's no such thing as loss of gold on death, which results in a linear power curve.

SC2 is the hardest because you need to learn micro and macro. Macro is hardly ever used in Dota 2 and micro is only for a single unit 98% of the time. Quantify that 90x and you've got SC2. Then add all the knowledge you need for army composition and the specific times and resource counts and shit you need to be at for your build.

>>376613028
Say, I agree and am not expecting anything.

It's a pity though, would like even a small buff like small charge refund, slightly increased movement speed whilst ulting, dimmer SHOOTMEPLEASE glow or at least SOMETHING.

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Why would they even do that? Doesn't the competitive scene attract more players? Why would Blizzard shoot themselves in the foot like that?

This world is starting to make less and less sense with each passing day. I doubt even a single competitive OW team has 20 million fucking dollars.

Jesus Christ Blizzard, get your shit together.

>>376607090
good point but not entirely. many MANY people admit to not wanting to get into a game that doesn't have a competitive scene.

>>376606782
kotic got too greedy

>>376613276
They're trying to force a huge esports scene instead of letting it develop naturally.

>>376611964
Play less shit games retard.

>>376613398
But how are they forcing an esports scene if pro players can't afford to fucking play?????

It makes zero sense.

>>376613225
studies show the team with a gold advantage by the 15 minute mark will win 70% of the time in LoL.

>>376613490
They probably think huge orgs will be be begging to be a part of the league, of course it'll backfire.

>>376612637
Man i miss that faggot.

>>376606363
If flavour of the month meant one year, that must be a very long month

>>376613490
Sponsored teams can't afford to play, because up until now everything has been chump change.

Blizzard are trying to scam football club owners into buying teams, not cloud 9.

>>376606212
too lazy to give clicks but isn't this a good thing.

Basically some big name basketball or football team owners are making their own teams for overwatch and paying millions in entry fees so all these little teams are leaving overwatch before it starts because they can't afford to pay those fees.

Like your local YMCA basketball team leaving a league because it's turning into the NBA and they don't belong there since they are too small.

>>376612239
They take Adderall so they can focus better

>>376613017
>>376612975
It's going to get worse too. Blizzard did nothing to support this scene while killing a lot of hype and growth by announcing this fucking OWL way too early and scaring all tournament organizers and teams. No players are really invested in the west like they would be if there was serious money on the line. Outside of Asia there has been no significant event in the past 6 months. It's really a joke.

>>376612780
twitch was a mistake

>>376613703
I can't wait until all those owners realise they're risking it all on a game with absolutely zero skill involved.

Literally everything boils down to ultimates. If you force the enemy to use more Qs that they don't get a decent return on, you win. If you use your Q at the wrong time or get one-shot on a hail mary, you lose.

The rounds are too fast for skill to actually play a role.

>>376611476
Fighting games are the best esports out there, the problem is that people don't like playing 1x1 because they don't have a team to put the blame on. Fighting games >>>>SC>FPS>>>>>>>>MOBA

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>blizzard balancing a game

>>376612654
Ive only started playing this free weekend for realsies and I'm amazed at the skill of some people.

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>>376613853
:^)

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Reminder

>>376610892
Difference is, they perma ban you for that stuff.
So many whiners complaining they are now banned, buying the game again just auto bans you again.

>>376613946
just like football

none of that matters desu

>>376611476
They're 1v1. They're not f2p. They requires a lot of different skills.

>>376613946
t. bronze

Granted as far as competitive shooters go, OW is pretty low on the list, but skill is a massive factor. The difference in a 4.5k rated player and a 4k rated player is insane. I would know I'm 4k.

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>$20 million plus for a spot
>no revenue sharing until 2021

ActiBlizz is fucking retarded and think they can get Overwatch to rival actual sports when the NA tournaments only get 10-20k viewers.

>>376606212
>direct link
aint clicking that shit, fag
what does it say

>>376613276
>Why would they even do that? Doesn't the competitive scene attract more players? Why would Blizzard shoot themselves in the foot like that?

they're eternally butthurt that millions of dollars were made in the brood war pro scene by someone other than themselves. they completely buttfucked starcraft 2 to death trying to force e-sports, so badly that they're finally admitting it's a dead game by releasing the brood war remaster.

>>376614368
>fucking retarded

They have a billion babby leagues and tournaments. This is the overwatch world cup.

If people want to play they need to not be shit and get scouted into a real team. Just because I shit on the people in my local YMCA doesn't mean I should be able to play at the superbowl because I paid the standard 25 dollar fee to get in.

>>376613990
If you're into esports shit and have an hour to kill check this match from last weekend out, probably the most intense ever
https://youtu.be/yydJmW-sOL8

>>376606212
>Giving a shit about arena shooters

Not even great old games like Quake deserve to be obsessed over on the level these other games are, and I like Quake.

>>376614608
There is a difference between 25 dollar fee and 20 million fucking dollars. Plus OW is a shit Esports to spectate. Multiple switching POV, long TTK, shit meta, blizzard balancing.

>>376611858
Based Punk

>>376614052
>unlabled, untitled chart

wow... you sure showed... someone

>>376607326
Not sure why people still claim that Overwatch doesn't have a high skill cap. The amount of shit that the pro overwatch players do and the skill they have compared to golds is ridiculous. OW has so many more moving parts than TF2 or Quake ever did

>>376614250
I wouldn't call it "skill", more ike situational awareness abd knowing when to use your abilities. As far as mechanical skill goes, the more a character needs to aim to do well the worse they are. This is why Overwatch is a joke.

>>376606212
Overwatch isn't very fun to watch. Not that the game itself is bad.

>>376614806
the 25 dollar fee was an example at the low amount these teams were used to paying to get in as compared to the millions they have to pay now.

Your opinion doesn't matter or reflect what actually is as you can see by whats going on.

>>376614628
why the fuck are they switching pow all the time, leave that shit for replays give me full view all the time

>>376615010
i agree. as a spectator it does almost nothing for me

>>376614072
>Literally everything boils down to ultimates
>just like football

nerf Tom Brady's ult, you shouldn't be able to pull a superb owl out of your ass when you've been outskilled the entire first half the game

>>376608143
>assfaggots
>high skill ceiling
fuck off

>>376613660
2016 was a bad year all round, there was not only one bad month, it was only bad months

>>376615021
The biggest Esport is 1 million for a spot.
The 2nd biggest Esport can literally be played with a group of friends for 0 dollars.

What is the reasoning behind Blizzard charging 20 million for a franchise that isn't even proven?

>>376614941
Top 500 mcrees, tracers and widowmakers are fucking terrifying, the high skill cap heroes are all incredible. Situational awareness and acting accordingly is skill. You're splitting hairs for no reason.

>>376611198
so does melee for many characters, falcos bread and butter lazer->dair is like 15

>>376615010
Since they are spending so much money in their esports division, they should really sit down with the Overwatch dev team and have them create an actually nice looking spectator mode/scripts that let us watch from multiple views that aren't limited to watching the first person views. I think that's why people like watch LoL and Dota so much cause you can see everything happening at once and even if you don't understand everything, you can appreciate that so much shit is going on. You can't really see all that being restricted to a first person view

>>376615067
They used to use a flying camera but it was awful as you missed a lot, I much prefer them using playercam.

>>376615194
>needing a reason

>>376615285
Then don't say something retarded like
>If people want to play they need to not be shit and get scouted into a real team. Just because I shit on the people in my local YMCA doesn't mean I should be able to play at the superbowl because I paid the standard 25 dollar fee to get in.

>>376615093
i would, by the way, be interested in examples of good overwatch broadcasts. maybe i've just completely missed the good stuff

>>376615225
Good rail or rocket players in Quake are terrifying, and also regularly move at least 5 times faster than those characters you mentioned do. Overwatch's maps, movement mechanics, and shooting mechanics are vastly simplified compared to arena shooters.

>>376606212

> Some of which did, reportedly, because it costs $20 million to franchise an official team.

20 million dollars, and you're only allowed to reap profit 2021? Does Activision really think anyone is going to accept those terms? League of Legends at its primetime had 3 million dollar entry fee at most.

>>376606750
Oddly enough Blizzard had been balancing around what people *think* is underrated and OP, not what actually is.

This is by far the best way to balance a game since most players are too ignorant to take the facts as they are. A good example is S76 or Mercy. They buffed S76, and they went out of their way to say the buff didn't exactly change much about him in actual team fights but players believe it did so they used him way more. Same with Mercy. She's one of the most used heroes EVER, yet people think she needs buffs. They thought Ana was shit at release cause "she didn't do enough healing". Ultimately the playerbase wouldn't have understood how fucking broken she was cause they all deemed her shit on arrival, so Blizzard balanced around that.

Finally there's Bastion who actually was OP after his buff.

>Tl;Dr OW team balances around all ranks and perceived viability rather than hard facts sometimes

>>376615446
Yes I agree, thats why I said OW is low on the skill list relative to other shooters. But to pretend that it is devoid of skill is very stupid when the skill ceiling is still very very high.

>>376609930
>They aren't taken seriously
they never will be. If you try and make a thread on /sp/ talking about esports, you're basically asking /sp/ to post as many reaction images as they can. That's never not going to be the case

a big part of being an esport is to make it enjoyable for people to watch

How the fuck are you going to do that in Overwatch? Constantly shift the view as people die?

How are the commentators going to explain what the FUCK is going on across multiple battles around the map? How would you show it?

I just can't wrap my mind around it. At least with shit like counterstrike you don't all instantly respawn so it's easier to manage the views and comment on what is going on.

>>376615446
Have you played Overwatch? Outside of Quake its the fastest moving FPS characters I've played. You really think Quake players move FIVE times faster?

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>>376608358
>>376606803
>>376607975
>play casually
>went 2/8 in placements and still placed in Diamond
>literally only play Reinhardt

Is gold seriously considered to be "average"? And here I was thinking that Diamond is gutter tier.

>>376615612
2350 was the median rank last season. At any one point in the season everything from diamond up was only 8% of the population.

>>376615568

>Outside of Quake its the fastest moving FPS characters I've played.

Then you dont play many multiplayer shooters. Arena shooters in general are way more fast-paced than Overwatch. TF2 is more fast-paced than Overwatch.

>>376615568
Even TF2 moves faster than overwatch.
Not that it matters Overwatch is a shit game to spectate.

>>376615383
>post reasoning
>DOES ANYONE HAVE A REASON
>see this post with your reasoning do not post if you don't have a reason like you just posted

eh
bin

>>376615717
Eh that seems low. I played a game on a friends account once and people at that that rank don't even know basic positioning and tactics.

>>376615785
He is referring to the basal move speed in OW. You can dodge like such a cunt in OW, more so than Quake Live at least.

>>376614003
Do you think this is Overwatch you grade A retard?

>>376606212
Overwatch is casual fucking baby day care game.

If you even bought this game you should be fucking ashamed of yourself. Especially if you post here.

>>376615882
Blizzard needs to pay their shills more. This is shit tier trolling.

>>376615612
>2/8
>Reinhardt
Pick some good hero instead next season.

>>376615559
have you watched a good production overwatch tourney? last time I watched APEX and it was quite enjoyable. was a few months ago, though, not sure about now. the casters seemed to know what they're doing (it was Monte iinm).

>>376616086
The entire meta is balanced around Reinhardt

>>376614608
OW world cup didn't even have a prize pool last year and if it does there's no reason to believe it would be as big as The International

>>376616086
Reinhardt is a mandatory hero, almost every team needs one and people don't know how to play him. Playing him is easy Masters.

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>>376606782
>$20 million to franchise a team

Is competitive Overwatch that popular, or is it just something Activision-Blizzard is trying to force to be on the same level as Dota and LoL?

>>376616086
>Rein
>not a good hero

t. gold player

>>376616248
>20m
>same level

they are trying to go further beyond

are gooks way better at this game than everyone else, btw?

>>376616248
Nowhere near as popular. I doubt any company would pay 20 mil, even if it was a fucking LoL or Dota 2 league

>>376616142>>376616201
I have more good games with Winston/D.Va as tanks than Rein, especially on attack.
When team wants to play dive, and someone picks Rein (when there is no one to shield), games always turn to shit.

>>376616201
the meta is shifting away from him, though, especially now that the gooks are starting to master sombra

>>376616248
This is probably something some old ass corporate retard thought was a good idea because he is completely out of touch with esports.

>>376616131
>Monte
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ke5G7W4XTAI

>>376616409
Your games is not an indicator on general meta or competitive meta.

>>376616409
>team wants to play a dive comp
>retard picks a hero that is not suited to a dive comp aka Reinhardt
>lose
>REEEEE THAT MUST MEAN REIN IS SHIT

>>376616390
but they already have

A few real sport team owners have already bought in and are forming their teams now. Like 2 football team owners.

New england patriots and the Miami dolphins are pretty much all but confirmed.

>tfw overwatch superbowl
>tfw tracers ass deflategate

>>376616510
>still shitting on riot
literally grow up. even fucking total biscuit noticed that his grudge against sega was stupid

>>376616553
Winston/dva with a genji/pharah/tracer to back them up as they dive is obscenely obnoxious and very hard to deal with.

altho

>>376616582
Is also correct

>>376616582
Well, duh, the current meta is more around divecomps than tank stacking. Of course a dive comp will fail with reinhardt, but reinhardt is also weak against proper divecomps.

>>376616632
Well those retards will lose the money soon. Seems they haven't learnt from SC2 that forcing Esports won't work.

Not to mention blizz is trying to get the cast more varied with orisa being the next rein since if they started the league now it would be all reinhardt all the time.

>>376612128
Yeah and Capcom changed SFV to play more like Mortal Kombat, so now players take turns hitting each other or one player just dominates hitting the other entirely. It might look better to a simpleton but it made the game worse, which is why no one in the FGC wanted esports to be a thing, and even now it's a joke.

And a better comparison of Street Fighter would be to the UFC, where combatants generally don't rush and do flashy moves and rather test the waters on each other.

>>376616553
Check latest competitive pickrates. Rein is dropping.
>>376616582
That's why people shouldn't pick Rein this season.
But instead they do, because they think he is mandatory tank. While he isn't. One trick Reins arre the worst, especially when they start bitching.

>>376616414
>master sombra
>he meta is shifting away from him
Wew lad, gold is sure a hell of a drug.

>>376616632
They will realize sooner or later that this shit is stupid as fuck and doesn't pay off both a way of earning money via sponsorships and as a PR stunt.

>>376616694
Yes, dive comps work and no Reinhardt doesn't work in a dive comp.

What's your point here? How is any of this supposed to mean that Reinhardt is a shit pick? He's solid and the meta is still balanced around him but it is slowing shifting away from him.

>>376612128
>good thing about other esports is that high level play makes sense to look at even if you know nothing about how the game is playe
Watching Dota 2 with no MOBA experience was impossible for me.

>>376616913
>>376616835
>mfw u dumb nerds will be the ones realizing this league will be the best and 20m is just the starter price and you guys didn't sell your homes and belongings to start your own team before it becomes 500m just to get in with 1billion prize money by its second season

lmao

>>376616968
>Yes, dive comps work and no Reinhardt doesn't work in a dive comp.

Is all i was saying.

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Not enough waifu skins, the players are leaving it

>>376617036
Have you seen HS esports?

>>376616968
>How is any of this supposed to mean that Reinhardt is a shit pick?
If >>376615612 picked D.Va/Winston instead, his team probably wouldn't lose 8 games with him playing tank. But he is one trick who doesn't understand current state of the game.

>>376616968
>and no Reinhardt doesn't work in a dive comp
Who says rein is in a dive comp? Dive comps work because they are designed to fuck up deathball.

>>376617094
how does blizz not get sued

the cable skin or the wolverine one is just insane

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>>376611795
I'd rather have a sci-fi combined arms game. Evolve or perish.

>>376617114
>loses 8 games and autistically plays one hero
>still Diamond

Really makes you think.

>>376617110
Yea I see that its not overwatch

>>376615225
>he thinks they are not a majority of hackers

All hit scan shit too

Obvious cheaters are obvious

>>376616987
I invited some of my friends to watch TIs, it took them 2-3 games before they got the basics and started getting fun.

>>376617283
It's always the shitters saying this

>>376617163
>I'd rather have a sci-fi combined arms game.
>tfw bought EC, thinking it was going to be this

>>376617254
Nah HS is evidence that even with all the stupid popularity that casuals throw into the game despite the game being bad, Blizzard will still fuck it up.

>Hire casters that don't even know the game
>Prelims held a fucking Buffalo Wild Wings
>Lmao RNG RNG RNG
>Fucking disconnects and no tournament mode

>>376617296
>2-3 games
>MOBA games commonly last for 30+ mins
>have to watch an hour and a half of a game to understand it

Fighters and shooters are the superior spectator e-sport my man.

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>>376611964
>he plays with items on
>he plays on stages other than final destination
>he doesn't play fox

>>376617296
>2-3 games
That's like top8 bracket in fighting game.

>>376617364
If your game is balanced around hitscan, hackers rule the day, and overwatch has confirmed hacks that can't and haven't been detected

the first fucking team blizz got for OW was a pack of fucking hackers you dipshit