>League of Legends and DOTA killed RTS >shmups died by

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>dota
>not requiring skill

>>376585317
>FF13 killed turn based RPGs

>>376585317
also
>>stylish action games died a disgraceful death
??

>>376585813
they don't require one tenth the skill of Starcraft broodwar

sorry assfaggot, it's true no matter how many hours you waste and how many skins you buy

>>376585317
Shut up you fcking anime dweeb, you're not even remotely decent at any of the games listed.
Kys on sight.

>1v1 multiplayer games fading out in favor of MULTI OGRE BATTLE ARENA games
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY

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>>376585939
>skins
what's your mmr?

The only truly innovative shump of note in the last 2 decades is Ikaruga. Take that as you will.

>>376586001
I never played an assfaggot besides 30 minutes of dota 1 and realized it was embarrassing

>>376586059
could not be more of a causal, hardcore shoot em up players don't even like ikaruga too much, of course IGN and others frothed over it because of that le epic maddox article

>innovation

meaningless word, some formulas have been perfect, like the arena FPS or fighting game, and don't need to be tweaked too much

if you understood scoring systems and had any skill you would realize games are actually quite different

>melee
>fighting game

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>>376586257
>I never played an assfaggot besides 30 minutes of dota 1 and realized it was embarrassing
so basically you don't know what you're talking about

lol

>>376585317
Thanks for the reaction image.

>>376585317
RTS died because Blizzard released shit games of this genre and focused on WoW. Dota is a completly different game made by a company, which has nothing to do with RTS'

>>376586285
it isn't it just said it was killing fighting games, never said it was one

>>376586257
>some formulas have been perfect

If we went that way then Age of Empires 2, Dawn of War or Warcraft 3 wouldn't exist if the RTS genre got stuck with Starcraft because it was "perfect". Too bad dota killed the genre.

Why even try to make new games when the veterans don't try out new things?

>>376585317
Get used to the brand new times, gregory.

>>376585939
Go fight a real war, it does require a ton of skill in order to not die, and when you do you don't respawn.

>>376585317
Stop throwing a tantrum you baby

>>376587395
Kill yourself, mobaby.

>>376587576
I don't play mobas anymore, nice assumption you got there, fag.

>>376585317
>fighting games dying
>rev2 coming out this month

i'm sorry your shitty tekken fanbase can't even field enough players for a good tourney but real fighters are doing fine.

>>376587695
xrd is to gg what sfv is to sf, if you played gg more than 2 seconds you'd have known that

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>>376585317
Don't forget about horror games and RPGs

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CS:GO is the pinnacle of esports though
Quake Champions will save arena shooters
Starcraft will be alright
old fighting games need to die though, like Melee and MvC3.

>>376585317
Yeah I agree..... OP.... I don't understand why we HARDCORE gamers must suffer so much. I think dirty casuals did ruin gaming after all...It's all ogre now

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Where were you when Ubisoft singlehandedly killed the Open World genre?

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>>376585939
>muh starcraft
>muh APM

>>376585317
Name one (1) decent genre that hasn't been killed yet

>>376587945
>CS:GO is the pinnacle of esports though
that's a funny joke

>old fighting games need to die though, like Melee and MvC3.
smash isn't a fighting game to begin with, and moving on to the newest thing just because it's new is dumb

>assfags killed RTS
When will this shit stop? Explain how these games, which you fucks hold to be 100% different from RTS somehow stole all of that genre's consumer base. If RTS lost fucking anybody to MOBAs it was idiots who enjoyed shit like C&C 4 which would bring the genre down rather than elevate it. RTS died because every single dev cannot top the shit made in the late 90s and early 2000s and try to push fucking esports and all the bullshit that comes with it (including abandoning good single-player and attempting to get perfect balance at the cost of fun). If a single game is better than any of its respective counterparts made earlier do let me know.

>>376585952
This is an anime website you fucking nerd

>>376588493

Maybe because when dota came out, all people who previously played battle realms, wc3, sc and ra2 had quit to play that instead. It doesnt help during before that, there is this giant genre called MMOs who were stealing every multiplayer audience at the time.

rts was simply fucked the moment more multiplayer games came out because back then its only competition was arena shooters and counter strike.

Now the only people who play rts are dads in their 40s who just comp stomp to relax fron stress.

>>376587945
>CS:GO is the pinnacle of esports though
kek

>>376588417
and? starcraft requires more thought and execution to even play at a moderate level, let alone the elite levels

>>376590062
apples and oranges honestly
they require different skills, they are different genres
just so happens MOBAs are apparently more fun for the average person

if you paid attention there were still some RTS games worth playing, we cant just all play Starcraft till the end of time, grandpa

>>376590131
>just so happens MOBAs are apparently more fun for the average person
and harry potter is more fun for the average person than plato

the average person's tastes are generally bad, mobas caught on because they are simple and don't have the barrier to entry that RTS do

>>376590304

Describe at least two characters from Plato's republic and their views.

>>376587945
>CS:GO is the pinnacle of esports though
CS is the most simplistic multiplayer shooter.

>>376585317
>shmups died by fading into obscurity
Because no one would do anything new with it besides
>muh fake "deep" lore
and
>muh fake lolis
>lol we can call them lolis even though they aint

>>376590304
>they are simple and don't have the barrier to entry that RTS do
>people spend hundreds of hours learning the basics and thousands getting good
>genre most often ridiculed for being too difficult to get into
the delusion rtstards have is unreal.

>>376590413
BTFO

>>376586059
T. Never played psyvariar

>>376590413
ok

socrates
>anti-democratic as he believed democracy would descend into tyranny by the majority
>justice is the state of achieving your ideal role in a society, and giving back to your community, without resorting to petty vengeance

glaucon
>synthesizes the views of socrates and the people he debates

thrasymachus
>psssh nothin personnel kid
>*teleports behind you*
>*tips katana*

>>376590960
? >>376591035

I was taking a shower, calm down nerd. I read the republic years ago. Babby's first philosophy. You want me to grill you on the tractatus or spinoza's ethics?

>>376585317
There's always rhythm games.

>Halo killed arena shooters

End this meme, Halo itself is an arena shooter. It has even starts, pickups on maps, and map design with a high degree of focus on platfomring and movement tech.

Quake 4 came out in 2005, UT3 came out in 2007. Halo, which came out in 2001, didn't kill arena shooters, CoD 4 fucking did when it also came out in 2007 alongside UT3 and Halo 3.

>>376585317
>nothing requires skill anymore
>Dota mentioned

Would you like to play a game against me so that I can demonstrate how incorrect you are?

>>376591863
wow you got good at a retarded game, so respectable

>I'll body you in hello kitty kid

fact: assfags require vastly less skill than rts

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>>376592884
>rtsfags

>>376592884
There is no singular attribute known as skill. You can be good at different things. Where Starcraft requires you to be mindlessly quick at pressing buttons, Dota requires map awareness and ability to coordinate with your team. Both are skills, and both have high skill ceiling. Just because mindlessly pressing buttons quickly is your preference doesn't mean that Dota requires no skill.

RTS are already on their way out even before starcraft and warcraft happened. No one likes to play games where you need to spend hours just reading in the tutorial section. It was always a niche and those 2 games are just a fluke.

Fighting genre dying couldn't come soon enough. Instead of innovating, they are in the same style for more than 30 years and companies are still churning the same style of shit.

>>376593030
>starcraft doesn't require map awareness

try managing 3 bases and 150 units at once on multiple fronts without map awareness you clueless mong

>>376592884
autismo lmao

>>376585317

Is Yumme Nikki that good ?

I always wondered this but was Grey Goo any good?

>>376593226
Pressing buttons more quickly always beats map awareness in Starcraft. You always get more benefit from APM than from anything else; between two people out of whom one spent time only training map awareness and the other one only training APM, the latter will always win without question. Map awareness in SC only becomes important after you spent months pressing buttons quickly. That's not something I want to do and that's not something a person should be proud of.

>>376593402
You are one of these dudes that think fighting games are all about pressing buttons quickly right?

>>376585317

>SFV and Smash will now kill fighting games

You wut

>Tekken
>MvCI
>Injustice 2
>Arms

>>376593575
>Arms
>fighting game

>>376593564
I have no opinion about fighting games.

Touhou shitters killed shmups
Now you can't talk about any other shmups without them coming out of the woodwork and spamming unfunny pictures and waifushit

>>376585317
If you actually liked rts games you would have been playing starcraft or age of empire both have very big community, and don't you dare give me that rts for story/campaign bullshit rts games were never meant for story, and all rts games take a whole life to master. If you were actually invested in them you would have been playing scbw which is newly re released and is free so whole new player but no! You will instead shit post here for /v/ points. Even warcraft 3 has a very big community and tournaments still happen.

If you consider only emulatable consoles there are so much shmups it will require a lot of time to even play test them let a lone 1cc.

Arena shooters argument is kinda acceptable but quake is coming back inshahallah it will be good.

I am also sad sbout sfv but kof is coming to pc so eid mubarak.

Nier came it being shit/good is different thing but its not dead. Seeing only the negative side is fucking retarded of you, specially if you are doing it for a basket weeving forums

>>376594454
I don't play RTS because it's not my thing but I respect it. What makes you think I don't play the games I listed?

>>376595524
Than how did you just said rts are dead

>>376595594
they are though, compared to MOBA

I don't mean literally nobody plays them. I mean there is no new blood and the communities are pretty small outside of chinese(wc3) or koreans (SC) that you can't communicate with.

>>376595594
You don't have to play RTS to know the genre is dead. If it isn't Civ, Warhammer or Starcraft nobody fucking cares

>>376593272
If u like surrealism

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>says he's a hardcore gaymer
>can't even tspin
>can't make stairs
No OP (you) are the casul

>>376596421
>tspin
do you play tgm?

>>376585317
>>SFV and Smash will now kill fighting games once and for all
Good, I can do with less casualized garbage.

>wanting to sell muh trillions when 90% of these sales are just fucking casuals that drop the game after getting their ass handed to them in ranked once or twice
As if I gave a fuck, I can play VSav and Garou all day on fightcade for all I care.

>League of Legends and DOTA killed RTS
sc2 did that
>shmups died by fading into obscurity
people only know touhou and nothing else
>COD and Halo killed arena shooters
they were dead before that
>SFV and Smash will now kill fighting games once and for all
until they release the next one
>stylish action games died a disgraceful death
until they release the next one

you seem to be ill-informed and a moron

>>376596461
Haven't in months.

>>376593575
>Mentioning Arms
>Playing NRS garbage
>No GGXrdRev2
>Not Arcana Hearts next game in development
>Not Uniel's update that will come to the US
>

>>376586705
lol dota literally started as babied down wc3 the fuck you on about

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>>376596698
wrong

>>376596470
>As if I gave a fuck, I can play VSav and Garou all day on fightcade for all I care.

I play savior too but you are retarded if you say "all day" because 5 people in the fucking lobby is a PARTY for savior. I meant smash and sfv are so fucking bad, smash not even being a fighting game, that they are killing interest in the genre.

GGPO savior and ST was WAY more populated than fightcade. Kusoge like sfv are dragging down the entire fgc with it. Including niche games.

>>376585813
Dota is a solved skill where technical skill does not matter.

RTS have died , and league/dota have their own massive problems. its really not fun losing because of teammates or having a game go on for an hour with no hope.

meanwhile in rts you just type gg or ragequit. i'm insanely hopeful for the starcraft/brood war HD reboot though. thats gonna be some good fun and honestly how RTS should be revived. just remake the classics.

>>376596698
You haven't even seen how dota is played, have you?

>>376596860
dota is about mechanical skill and quick decision making

RTS is a dead genre, the last Red Alert game we got was a sham to the second game, which was beloved by many. A fun sham, but a sham none the less.

Until we get properly designed, true to the art style, storyline and more seriously taken games, that require skill and that can hold your attention for longer then a toaster dinging to warn you it's finished, the RTS will remain the same.

In the ground, rotting, forgotten.

>>376596778
>>376596948
? you retarded? you some child that missed out on ROC?

>>376597294
(you)

>>376590062
Every famous SC player that tried moving to Dota got completely BTFO in pubs. I remember so many never even surpassing my mmr (which isn't even that good).

Look at Day9 he's terrible at the game, even with the micro heroes he constantly fucks up. Brood war pros cannot into positioning/split second decision making or awareness. Jesus I love brood war but it's not even a meme that Dota is harder to play exceptionally well it's entirely true and you would know if you dumped a good amount of time into it. Bet you couldn't even reach 4k

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wc3 : RTS with Hero Unit
dota: just the hero unit please

>>376597294
retard

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>>376597557
wc3: rts with hero unit
d2: just the hero

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>>376597669
were there only 4 buttons in d2 too?

>>376596974
Mobabies actually believe this.

>>376597751
irrelevant

>>376597828
what's your mmr?

wait you retards never answer as you haven't actually played the game

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>>376597940
five thousand, as of like 2 or 3 years ago when it mattered. what are you ? noob shit.

AND i was top ladder in wc

and what were you doing? still in the womb dreaming up your failures to come?

>>376588451
>>376589016
>>376590470
CS:GO is by the far the best esport right now. I'm not just talking about gameplay. I'm talking personalities, analysis, casting talent, tournament circuit etc.

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>League of Legends and DOTA killed RTS
Wrong. Correlation does not imply causation. RTS was already on the way out years before the MOBA genre got its first standalone game in 2009, League of Legends.
SC2 was the genre's last hurrah and it failed to stay in mainstream consciousness. It has nothing to do with DotA/LoL rising to popularity.

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>shmups died by fading into obscurity
Because arcades are dead. Shmups were never really a home console genre, they were designed to be played on arcade machines. Yes, we get console ports of them some years after the fact. Just be glad there's an indie scene keeping this genre alive. It will never be mainstream again.

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Fighting games are getting more big releases now than they have in a longass time

>>376599286
this is true. as fun as RTS games were, you couldnt do much better than brood war, and that was much too difficult for the average consumer.