The combat is not very deep, the stat system is fairly useless,

Low standards + /v/ hivemind mentality

>>376517826
Because its a good game

It's fun

Because it improves, even if marginally, on many things western rpgs with open worlds do. It just proves that most fantasy rpgs are shit

because you can make a loli waifu that can 2-hit a dragon with high maelstrom

Everfall and bitterblack was the only thing in the game that wasn't hot garbage.

It's niche and does enough neat stuff to warrant cult status.

Classic example of an overhyped game.

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>>376518580
Fantasy rpgs are my favorite genre. All either have shitty combat or a shitty world. None are well rounded.

>>376517826
it puts the fun into fundamentally flawed

I got to Gran Soren, told myself that was enough for that day because it was getting late and never picked it up again

the demo 7 years ago was a blast but I don't know what's different

Vanilla content is shit. Empty and boring. The DLC is pretty fucking good.

>>376518317
This.

>>376519639
That you were actually fighting something and not just running and escorting a cart that goes really slow?

It feels like your going on a real JRPG adventure without the stupid anime shit that always ruins it. The monsters are cool as fuck and every class is played differently so if you aren't autistic about it you can have varied combat throughout the whole game. Also reddit never got a hold of it so I can feel like a patrician when I recommend it to people.

I'll never understand why people think dark souls has better combat. It has better bosses and music but overall combat I don't think so.

>>376517826
>>376517826
cuz all of those are wrong and you know it to be true since you like it

>>376520464
idk the 80% of the story being retard is pretty true.

>>376517826
Is the combat deep? Not hugely. Is it immensely viceral and satisfying? Absolutely. Same as MonHun, Capcom know to make engaging combat when they're not shitting their franchises into the ground.

>>376520657
Tell me about it. Dragon pops up, steals your heart and shows up again at the last 2 hours of the story.

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>>376517826
It's like MonHun if humans were allowed to use magick and monsters like Chimera were allowed to look supernatural without half-assing it.

>>376520928
Capcom always knows how to trigger me. No console/pc monster hunter, no monster hunter/dragons dogma online in west, cave in and buy dogma on xbox eventually ends up on pc.

>>376517826

>the combat is not very deep

Considering the competition, it's still a massive improvement.

>the stats are useless

Pretty much. Equip better armor, get stronger.

>most of Bitterblack Isle is a slog

I actually wish the rest of the game was more like BI. It was incredible.

>story

Not even important, but yes, it's shit.

>climbing monsters is a chore

I like the dynamic. Like a scaled back SotC mechanic. I enjoyed it.

it's one of those games which you can pick up, play for hours and put it down, but don't really feel like coming back anytime soon

mainly because the vanilla world is boring and empty, don't know about the DLC though

>>376521502
DLC is like a close knit combat dungeon with random loot and identification of loot (similar to diablo) where you rerun it to improve. It has multiple rooms, bosses, and small puzzles.

>>376517826
I felt like it was alright, but no where near worth the praise that /v/ tosses at it. It's a solid 6/10 imo.

>>376518580
I'd take turn based or real time with pause over DD's combat. Granted, DD is better than TW3 and a million years ahead of Skyrim in terms of combat.

>>376521802
so you like dragon age or pillars of eternity more? Or more like divinity original sin?

>>376517826
Because of how everything acts and reacts to things. Even if the combat isn't deep, it still has a lot of care put into it because of how the enemies and environment react to said combat system.

>>376519937
>It feels like your going on a real JRPG adventure without the stupid anime shit that always ruins it.

Shit like a proper story and characters you kind of care about?

>>376521897
Haven't played any of those yet, but I do like Breath of Fire 4, Fallout 1 and 2, and Last Remnant's combat systems more. Hell, Nier's combat system is generally more fun and it's pretty bare bones.

>>376521934
No like random shit that doesn't make any sense and ruins the fantasy environment like cars, modern clothing, random explosions, pedobait and flashy colors.

>>376521934
Anime characters are nearly always shallow archetypes and do nonsensical things because it's "cute." The plots of these games is nearly always saving the world so it's not like a deep and interesting story.

>>376522068
>Random explosions

Ok I really need to know what kind of fucking RPG you're thinking of here.

>>376522068
>pedobait
you didn't play with the same pawns i did

>>376522068
>No like random shit that doesn't make any sense and ruins the fantasy environment like cars, modern clothing, random explosions, pedobait and flashy colors.

This.

Fantasy games should be realistic.

>>376522552
Yeah, it's called world building and everything in the universe should make sense.

>>376522279
I played with a giant man in a thong and an afro.(later found out some girls brother I added on xbox turned into a tranny irl) My created pawn was a healer female normal height/body weight with red hair. Last I swapped out all the time.

>>376522673
Finally someone who understands and isn't a blinded weeb

>>376522682
I played as a loli and hired exclusively loli pawns. My main pawn was a reasonable facsimile or me irl. Satisfying game imo

>>376522673
>Yeah, it's called world building and everything in the universe should make sense.

So just ripping off Lord of the Rings again?

>>376522864
No, it means you can have explosions and flying cars in your Tolkienverse as long as you justify it and don't just throw them in for no reason. 'Blatant anachronism' is not a world-building technique

>>376522864
No, having a Lord of the Rings universe and adding a cat girl that is a childhood friend of Aragorn even though she is from another planet and she can't cook and sometimes slaps aragorn because he won't eat her cooking is the kind of shit I'm talking about.

>>376522969
>No, it means you can have explosions and flying cars in your Tolkienverse as long as you justify it and don't just throw them in for no reason. 'Blatant anachronism' is not a world-building technique

What game are you thinking off that does this then?

Because as long as the game follows its own laws there's no problem. Magic is absolute nonsense and you seem to have little problem with that.

>>376517826
Fun combat, nice music and VA, fun physics, elemental combos, nice visual style, etc.?

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>>376517826
just imagine if we got the no rushed version

>>376523148
You seem to have trouble understanding basic concepts you reddit spacing phone posting retard. Why would anyone try to have a conversation with an unreasonable autist such as yourself? Just end your life

>>376523281
>You seem to have trouble understanding basic concepts you reddit spacing phone posting retard. Why would anyone try to have a conversation with an unreasonable autist such as yourself? Just end your life

So basically you've got no answer and have to resort to reddit accusations because you got fucking no argument at all. Nice.

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>>376517826
It's a JRPG, and because of that alone, /v/ will praise it as the second coming of Christ. Why do you think those shit beach games are constantly posted on /v/?

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>>376523281

>reddit spacing

When did this meme start? I've been spacing my posts in " reddit spacing " format since before reddit existed.

>>376517826
Because when you don't view something through AAA goggles you tend to be a lot more accepting of a game's flaws and far less critical.

Better than the sum of its parts.

>>376517826
>The combat is not very deep
It's one of the best in its genre, it's not like combat in games like MH or Souls is deep either, let's forget about gutter trash like Witcher altogether, DD's combat is good and does its job well enough, every class is very defined and fun to play.
>the stat system is fairly useless
Nah, not really, but it could use some polish.
>most of Bitterblack Isle is a slog
I found it pretty fun, better than running in the middle of nowhere and oh OH HOLY SHIT ARISEN A GRIFFIN, GET IN THE CAR!
>80 percent of the story is shit or nonexistent
Lmao, who cares.
>and climbing a monster is a chore
Yeah, they should have made it a bit faster, as it is it's pretty unwieldly.

It's a good game overall, it delivers.
>>376521152
>Dragon pops up, steals your heart and shows up again at the last 2 hours of the story.
He's a very handsome dragon though, no homo.

>>376517826
I like any game that lets me jump and climb on buildings

>>376517826
It has a tight combat system even though it's not deep for you.
That fucking character customization
The garbs and armor that you can mix and match
Cutscenes show your character as you dressed it
The one I like the most is how you're actually a pimp that's trying to whore your pawn to other people for their sexual pleasure.

>>376524129
That not what i meant and you know it.
He is awesome looking dragon though

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>>376524634
>The one I like the most is how you're actually a pimp that's trying to whore your pawn to other people for their sexual pleasure.

Holy crap, that critic was right.

>>376519607
Gothic II would like a word with you

>>376524129
>every class is very defined and fun to play.

Pure magic is boring as fuck though, the spells are cool the first time you see them but quickly get old. Melee and ranged classes are both fun because it's kind of a DMC lite + TPS elements. You can tell they really didn't have a good idea on how to make magic vocations engaging to play, the best it gets is summoning a cool electric whip.

>>376525024
>can summon meteor showers, tornadoes, and earthquakes
>boring
Nigga you dumb. I usually hate using magic in most games but in DD its quite fun.

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>>376517826

>Combat is simple, this is where the vocations come in

>People have long since 'cracked' the stat system so you can potentially have any build you want so long as you keep changing vocations

>The first time through Bitterblack is designed to force you through the entire island since...you know..you have to beat all the bosses

The other things are subjective

It sounds like you just have shit taste or came from repetitive games so you can't grasp something different

>>376526146
>or came from repetitive games

He'd feel right at home with Dragon's Dogma then.

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Is Deep Down forever down the drain?

>>376518142
This. /v/ loves it because nobody knows about it and it's decent in some areas.

You could really tell that Capcom didn't give a fuck with this game.

>>376526392
It was a glorified tech demo to begin with, only existed to test their new engine.

Capcom is mostly using Unreal now, which means Deep Down is almost certainly dead.

>>376517826
Why do people make threads like this? You can't describe every major element of a game being shit and then say it's "fantastic".

Just say "I love it" next time.

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Something about this game is very satisfying. It's still not very good, though. Has a lot of glaring issues. I hope we get a Dragon's Dogma 2.
Not that MMO bullshit.

>>376517826
Grab button.

>>376521802
>DD is better than TW3
I hop you're talking purely combat-wise. Even then, I'd personally give Witcher 3 the edge since I've played it on Blood and Broken Bones. At that difficutly you're forced to use all the fight mechanics the game offers you or you get rekt, which basically makes it DS light.

If you're talking overall better, I can't even begin to understand how you would justify that opinion.

If dragon's dogma is considered a JRPG, are JRPGs even RPGs?

>>376517826
the pawns are my retarded children and i love each and every one of them

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>>376517826
It's a game greater than the sum of its parts.

And there's no accounting for fun.

>complaining about BBI and the plot
I don't know what the fuck you're on, though.

>>376517826
because it actually uses the open world to it's advantage

getting a quest, preparing in the city, getting a party from the rift, then leaving for exploration and deadly combat, only for night to fall and having to find your way back is an 11/10 experience

>>376527015
>which basically makes it DS light.
it feels like utter garbage in comparison so it'll never compare favorably to games like DD or DaS

>>376527015
>I can't even begin to understand how you would justify that opinion.
Not that anon, but I agree with him on the basis that TW3's combat just feels like total shit, and is visually nauseating to watch. It looks like that video of the kids playing Kingdom Hearts in a parking lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrCiV4LOYk4

this explains it really well, it's just an adventure from start to finish in every sense of the word

>>376527902
but DD combat looks ok to you? It's literally straight out of an anime, its what those parking lot kids tried to actually look like.

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The only real appeal of Dragon's Dogma is if you're one of those people who always wished RPG's played more like a proper real-time action game.

Every played a Medieval Fantasy RPG and wished somebody sprinkled a bit of Monster Hunter, a bit of Devil May Cry, and a bit of Shadow of the Colossus on the combat system? Then you'll probably like Dragon's Dogma. Because otherwise it's a pretty boilerplate game. Don't go into it thinking you'll find very interesting quests, lore or characters.

>>376527342
That's a nice face

>>376517826
Because those somehow blend right for the game and make it fun.

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>>376528542
>but DD combat looks ok to you?
Hell yeah it does.

TW3 has one mode: big retarded flourish that does 1/14th of the enemies health, then press dodge so you don't get OHKO'd. It's literally no better than Two Worlds, and yet Two Worlds has a better (fantastic, really) magic system. There's a lot of merit to TW3 for sure, but it's absofuckinglutely not its combat.

Meanwhile DD lets you roll and parry-riposte a la Dark Souls, climb enemies and stab the fuck out of them at a thousand miles an hour, shoot four-foot-long exploding arrows five-at-a-time, shoot magical arrows that either home and crit or bounce around and screen kill, or sync up to a four-way casting of fucking tornadoes and giant ice spears, or, if all that isn't enough, or too much, there's room for good old sword-and-board, or just annihilating shit with super-charged greatsword swings.

There's something for everyone, and it's all fun, and, at least IMO, very visually appealing.

>>376528834
Thanks m8

>>376517826
The game just starts really slow, it gets up after a few hours from arriving the capital.

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I could never find my way to Gran Soren, the game never bothered to tell me road to take

>>376529529
What's those black lines above her eyes?

>>376529529
The King could stand to commission some new roads.

People defending dragons dogma watch this to learn why you're wrong and stop living in denial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2BNxpYz9rk

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>>376529529
No one told me how wolves hunt!

>>376517826
Because the game is great.

>>376523504
This is bullshit.the game has huge potential. IT is just flawed in certainly aspects

>>376529712
>played the original DD from pre-order, day one, and loved it
>bought it on PS3, and Xbox
>bought Dark Arisen, day one, on PS3

>listen to some faggot whine for a half hour as though that will somehow undo the 2k hours of pure bliss I felt while playing all the iterations of DD
Yeah, nah.

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Don't mind if I do

>>376529712
I watched a lot of this guy's stuff and I generally agree with him, but haven't seen this.

My bet is that he enjoyed the game but had a lot of issues with the way game calculates damage and the world being empty

>>376530896
>My bet is that he enjoyed the game but had a lot of issues with the way game calculates damage and the world being empty
That's basically it. I'm at 9 minutes and he's prefaced what he's going to elaborate on by says DD doesn't have a skill curve, and the map isn't as big as it looks.

>>376527015
>I hop you're talking purely combat-wise.

Yes, I was. I think DD's combat is a small amount better than TW3's. TW3's combat catches too much hate here while DD's gets too much praise, both are mediocre overall. TW3 does every other aspect of its game much better though.

>>376524129
>He's a very handsome dragon though, no homo.
As a 100% straight absolutely not furry man I can tell you Grigori is the most handsome dragon I have ever seen
No but seriously, thinking about it, it's probably the best dragon design I have ever seen. It's simple but aestethic and effective

>>376531204
>TW3 does every other aspect of its game much better though.
You gotta be kidding me, you can't even change weapons in that piece of trash, even DD is more of an RPG that any Witcher games.

>>376531421
Changing weapons doesn't make DD's combat any better, plus TW3 lets you have reliable magic, melee, bombs, and buffs all at the same time while DD kinda locks you into a role.

I mean, either way, both game's have meh combat systems and neither really feel like "rpgs" to me.

>>376531576
>Changing weapons doesn't make DD's combat any better
It does on the simple virtue of giving you more choice, the fact that you have tons of stuff like climbing, acrobatics and other little things makes Witcher games look like a sad joke.
>while DD kinda locks you into a role.
Gee, it's almost, ALMOST like it's tring to be a ROLE playing game.

>>376529712
Alright man, this guy's a fucking idiot.

>I hate grinding but two of my favorite games are WoW and Diablo 3
Fucking red flag.

>Dragon's Dogma has huge arbitrary and unfair difficulty spikes because enemies take too little and do too much damage at certain points in the game. A perfect example are the bandits on the way to the forest
>There's no challenge in Normal Mode though
>You have to grind for LITERAL HOURS for good gear [you don't], and that's bad because reasons, despite me loving WoW and Diablo
>Here's an imaginary scenario in which LEVELING UP ONCE MAKES YOU DO DOUBLE DAMAGE. ISN'T THAT BAD!?
>I didn't know what Wakestones were until I was five minutes from beating the game BUT THEY'RE SO OP
>You can load yourself down with healing items and Wakestones, which makes the game too easy, and your stamina recovers SO SLOWWWW. Could I fix both those issues at once by not carrying all this bullshit around? No way
>Hard Mode is TOO HARD
>No wait it's too easy
>Also, there's no challenge because if it's too hard you can just go somewhere else and grind out levels

What in the actual fuck am I listening to? This guy has to be clinically retarded right? He sounds like the kind of guy who'd vote to ban guns because if he shot himself he'd die, rather than just not fucking shoot himself.

>>376517826
It's fun. Has amazing music that fits the moments of combat perfectly and make you feel like a badass without handing it to you. It is what you make of it. That being said it is easily my favorite game and I pray for a non rushed version because it is definitely a rushed gem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz1gqx0uRbQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKr9zwS41Ms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmlxgt8hx7E

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>>376532895
Why didn't you include the best song in the game?!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1mRDYPwtgo

>>376517826
Responsive and fast combat with great animations, tons of great armor and clothing choices, great character creation, and awesome boss battles and music.