>THEY SAID THAT IT WOULD BE LIKE THE OLD ONE SO IT MUST BE

>>376496626
Level design.
The new one has too many locked in a room now kill respawning enemies in waves.

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this is shitposting cental, not a game developer conference friend. fuck off now.

>>376496665
It was the same as the old games. You killed monsters and hunted for keys.

>>376496626
>Zenimax shitpost thread #3452

>>376496760
and if Bethfucks seriously believe this and dare to trivialize everything to this degree... they're beyond hopeless.

>>376496760
True but it wasn't that restricted plus I'm not a fan of melee kills.
Look, I get the approach and how well made it is with risk/reward but I just don't like it.

I played OG Doom for the first time in 2010, and loved it. Checkmate, Zeni-fag!

Nu-Duum is just embarrassing trash. It's literally like 3D Binding Of Isaac: move a few step forward, get locked in a tiny room to kill spawning enemies, then move forward to next lock-down room. Rinse and repeat until next cutscene. Once in a while you do some totally out of place RPG menu surfing to make the miserable, unbalanced gameplay a bit more tolerable, because Bethesda just cannot make a game without upgrade trees + shit starting stats nowadays.

Now tell me how is ANY of that anything like the series' "roots", which was more of akin to Resident Evil 1, just at much faster pace and "full" 3D?

Finally: Doom is not outdated. It's fucking perfection.

>>376496865
It's just fucking hilarious that people bring up and praise the whole GK mechanic, since it is absolutely pointless in the game. You get MORE HP just by blowing enemies to bits with your weaponry, and the lower your HP, the MORE health drops they spew!

>>376496865
Doom 2016 is not the same as old school Doom but its still a great game. You're just a nostalgiafag that cant be pleased though.

>>376497407
not him, but anyone using "lol nostalgia!" as a serious argument as if it'd mean something, all while praising the mediocre, schizophrenic mess of a modern sequel that is a total slog to play, is just shitposting, shill-posting, or underaged. Or all of the above.

>>376497407
I was 26 when I first played Doom, just a few years ago at that, so I doubt I would have any sort of "nostalgia" for it. I can however totally understand what would displease old fans of the series in the new one, and it's amazing that the Bethesda didn't dare to go all out with the game.

There's been numerous games in the past that took Doom's basic principles and merely upgraded the tech, resulting successful modernizations that were fun. The Blood would be one great example, and it sure as hell BTFO of nuDoom by a huge mile.

>inb4 lol pixels n shit
ironically, those pixelated 256 color sprites have way better style and more soul than them 10K+ polygon bubblegum cyclops in D4.

>>376497154
>Doom is fucking perfection
Yes lol, so we can thus argue that nothing can improve on the Doom series.

This is why nostalgiafags will never accept anything being better than the first game.

>can't even aim upwards in the original Doom (without mods), it shoots them for you

pssht, original Doom is perfect vidya.. stupid plebs don't understand real and hardcore gameplay..

>it's a the product wouldn't have been noteworthy if it was a new ip episode

>>376496626
I can't even play doom anymore its such a slog to get through. The only way I could possibly play the original doom is with the brutal doom mod.

>>376497886
Doom 2 was better.
Doom 64 was awesome.
Blood was like a great spiritual successor.
Serious Sam 3 was the real Doom 4.

So yeah, keep spewing your dank memes. The huge doengrade you call "DOOM 2016" is still just an autistic bastard son with consolitis AIDS.

>>376496626

DOOM needed a slightly faster run speed and to trash the old Doom design philosophy of weapons being straight upgrades over the old ones. The combat shotgun and the plasma rifle are absolutely useless because they share ammo with far stronger guns.

Otherwise, pretty decent. Worse than Doom, better than Doom 2 and 3

>>376498037
Stop replying to your self and kys.

>>376498159
:^)

>>376498159
Can't handle that people have different opinions huh?

Doom 2016 was a good game, could do with being a bit faster and more difficult but apart from that its good. Spider demon boss was far too easy

>>376498154
But none of the weapons besides the Chain gun were real upgrades in D1-2.
Even normie shotgun saw use in D2 as a sharpshooting weapon, and Plasma was definitely not replaced by BFG.

In fact, the PG games have a great balance and variety when it comes to the enemy and weapon selection

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>>376496626
I find the people that do this generally live in the past and are miserable with how their life is turning out or are just afraid of change so they latch onto anything that keeps them comfortable.

It's really sad to watch, because they're so unaware of their own insecurity that they try to lash out at anyone else who is either younger, by pretending to be wiser, or by belittling anyone that is better at adapting in an attempt to confirm its everyone around them that's settling for less

>>376497154
Some anon told me that they went this way because of the consoles limitation : The cpu is too weak to handle mutliple NPCs through the entire level. So they went this way.

>>376496626
doom? more like dum hahaheaoeaheahoheho

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>>376496626
Literally gotta go fast the game.

Bought it on Saturday for £8 on CDkeys. Really enjoying it so far.

doom with brutal doom isn't dated at all and doom 2016 shares nothing in common with the gameplay of the original unless you think something like 'no reloading' is a gameplay feature

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>>376496626
Hmm... let's see:

>Full of cinematic shit, including real fucking cutscenes.
>All guns suck. Unless you use upgrades.
>Armor is literally a 2nd HP bar that depletes first.
>You can barely hold any ammo. Unless you level-up.
>Checkpoints.
>Maps are linear pipes, connecting obligatory combat arenas you get funneled and locked into.
>Platforming sections. With insta-death pits.
>Only around half-a dozen enemies on screen at once, not counting "zombies". No Pinkie packs.
>Berserk pack is a timed boost that makes you invincible and unable to use guns.
>Rune challenges are just annoying filler.
>Everything glows.
>A goddamn robo-guy literally handholds you through the game, via radio.
>No mods, and the Snapmap is literally just all about connecting handful of pre-made rooms together, with strict enemy limit.
>Only 4 players max in Snapmaps (yeah they're apparently NOW "fixing" this).
>MP is Halo-tier shit. Period.
>Spider is the last boss, and is not hitscan anymore either.
>No, hitscan enemies are not a cancer. I miss my easy to gib shotgun zombies.
>Bosses have HP bars and almost Zelda-style attack patterns.
>Ending was literally a slap to face + "lol, look forward to teh sequel, goy!"

...yeah, that sounds like such a great tribute to the granddaddy of fucking FPS genre. Mixing up old and new? More like mixing new and NEW, and then trying to dress it up as oldschool game.
Take out the Doom name, and no one would've been interested in this trash. And coincidentally, way more of its bullshit would've been easier to forgive.

It's no wonder that the game has next to no players any more. It's just shill-baits still trying to make the game seem big and important, just like some Soviet propaganda machine.

>>376498232
Zenimax & Bethesda clearly can't. That much they actively undermined any and all criticism towards the game before AND after the release.

>>376498409
>doom with brutal doom isn't dated at all
True, it's just disgusting, unbalanced and tedious.

>>376498457
>it's just disgusting, unbalanced and tedious.
it's better balanced than vanilla doom where your starting gun and single-barreled shotgun are borderline useless once you get the upgrades

>>376496760
>It was the same as the old games. You killed monsters and hunted for keys.
Wow that means it's also the same game as fucking Hugo's House of Horrors

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>>376497154
>I played OG Doom for the first time in 2010
So did I, but it doesn't hold a candle to serious sam. Doom 2016 is closer to Serious Sam, so I like it more. Fucking hunting for keys and fuck labyrinth level design. Everything after the first episode is a confusing mess. I spend like 40% of the game just in the map screen.

>>376498379
>Literally gotta go fast the game.
literally a CoD kid that has not played any 1990s shooter.

>>376498525
Stop trying to fit in, it is embarrassing as fuck.

>>376498525
Name any single player shooter that came out after 2001 that's faster than nu doom and isn't called painkiller or serious sam.

>>376498501
I'll agree that the pistol is useless, but the single barrel shotgun is reliable workhorse. It's crazy good.

>>376498457
>>All guns suck. Unless you use upgrades.
You dont say? Upgrading makes the guns better you say? Wow, who woulda thought.

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>>376498515
you sicken me

>>376498501
Besides the pistol, you're wrong.
BD seriously throws the fine balance and style of originals out of the window, and just tries to appeal to edgy fags.

>>376498515
I love SS to bits, and BFE was easily 2011 GOTY and best shooter since HL2 days, but nuDuum is just a huge lackluster "Sam clone" as well.

>>376498556
Says a Bethesda shill / Xbox child.

>>376498569
>please provide evidence that is NOT the best evidence one could give!
Not gonna play that game. Serious Sam 3:BFE BTFO of nuDuum in every single way, and you know it, and you hate it because of that.

I could throw UT2k4 to the mix too.

>>376498679
And you think upgrade system's are "fine" in a Doom game, huh?
Yeah, fuck learning how to use your weapons and shoot well! Just give us simple "+1 to headshots" ""skills"" to acquire instead! Who wants to LEARN how to PLAY in 2017!?

>>376498649
it barely has any use at all once you have the ssg and chaingun, maybe killing soldiers but thats it

>>376498754
like said: sniping + faster DPS

>>376498754
The shotgun works well for blasting cacos at range when you run out of chaingun bullets. Plus if the mapper has some self control he'll understand how powerful the SSG is and make sure you gotta work for it and either put in a later level, or hide in a secret.
When you have bullets and a SSG, I agree that the standard shotgun isn't needed as badly, but to call it completely useless is a bit much

>>376498859
that's why I said "borderline useless" instead of "completely useless"

>>376498682
Fuck you, hipster faggot. You probably only think this way because you want to fit in. I used to be similar when I was a 17 year old faggot on /v/.

>>376498747
>but nuDuum is just a huge lackluster "Sam clone" as well
I'll take lackluster sam clone over lackluster fps that isn't like ss.

>Serious Sam 3:BFE BTFO of nuDuum in every single way
When was the last time you played it? Back in 2011 it seemed like the messiah, but looking back it's pretty fucking bad. The second half is on the level of TFE, but the game is just loaded with crap that people only looked past, because there was a shortage of classic shooters at the time since the market was flooded with CoD clones. The underground sections suck. The city sections suck. The edgy military setting sucks. Ironically, SS2 has aged way better.

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>>376498747
>Says a Bethesda shill

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>>376496626
It's clearly the best modern FPS.
If they fix the constant lockdown arenas with more thought out enemy placement, rebalance the weapons a bit (plasma gun is underpowered I think), rethink items or take them out, and design even greater and more labyrinthine levels, that game would have a chance to stand shoulder to shoulder with the original Doom.

Just make a 15-20 hour long campaign of pure quality and add some extremely basic DM/Team DM multiplayer and you're good to go.

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Hello anons. Im making this snapmap designed to test your skills at the game. Its fair and beatable, but incredibly difficult. If you really love DOOM like I do, (I have an embarrassing amount of time in it) then you would enjoy the level. Im looking for people to tell me how far they made it, how difficult it is, if they break the map somehow, etc.

The code is
EWGQZZDQ

and you can add me if you want to share any of that information
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198060632696/

>away from /v/ for years

did /v/ hate it or is it a vocal minority that disliked it?

>>376499279
vocal minority trying to bait the less vocal majority because it works every time. This is the case with any well recieved and popular game.

>>376499279
Local minority. People were very cynical about the game, but then it came out and blew everyone away, but that still didn't stop DOOM purists from shiposting about it (even though nu doom is the closest thing to the original the modern AAA industry could have ever produced).

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>>376496626
>Are nostalgiafags the most pathetic people on /v/?
yes

>>376499507
This image pisses me off, the tools given out to make maps in Doom 4 are really bad, plus fighting demons in Doom 4 has a vastly different gameplay flow compared the original Doom games.
I still like Doom 4, but I prefer the originals.

>>376496626
D44M is still my personal GotY in 2017. I don't get it. It didn't deserve to be this good. I can't even play any other shooters now.

>>376499507
:^)

>>376499585
Did you play the Serious Sam franchise?

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>>376499507
>And free tools to create custom maps

Oh I wished.

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>>376499583
>>376499642

This is the only valid point. I really miss the quake/half life/source days. Bring back level editors, you fucking kikes!

>>376499642
There are, though

Just because you don't like those tools doesn't mean they aren't there.

>>376499507
1993 Doom is more fun to play than 2016. No amount of irrelevant similarities you list will change that. No, I didn't play it at release.

>>376499808
>No, I didn't play it at release.
Sure pal :^)

>>376499754
>you can edit game assets in hex editor and if you break our public-private key validation engine to create a valid signature the game will even use your modified assets.
>don't like it? Too bad! Don't say the tools are not there though.

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>>376499808
>No, I didn't play it at release.
Because you're a 19 year old contrarian trying to fit in with the cool kids at /v/.

>>376499909
I'm 28.

>>376499627
No, don't really plan on it either. I did try playing Open Arena to see how Quake is (never played it before, only played the Dooms and Unreal Tournaments in the past) as well as the rebooted Shadow Warrior, but all those games lack that perfect vertical element to their maps. Everything feels so flat even when the arenas have multiple levels to them because you don't have much control over your airtime. In Doom you can double jump and move back and forth changing directions in midair. The other shooters felt sluggish especially since your jumps have to follow throw. Serious Sam looks like it has bullet spongey enemies and that same flat arena style but even flatter since it's just in a big area and nothing to climb on. I think the only thing that could have improved D44M's movement was just to make your normal jumps even higher so that you didn't need to clamber on things and maybe even add wall running. But even then, it was all so fast and snappy I didn't mind. One thing I did hate was upgrading shit in the menus. I hated those menus and having to swap out equipment. There should just be another tertiary attack mode or something. Closest thing for me now is the new Quake game, but I'm worried about the Overwatch abilities they added.

>>376499901
Yes. That is correct.

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>>376499940
My condolences.

>>376499585
But DOOM came out last year anon. It can't be your GOTY 2017

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>>376499864
>>376499909
>27
>didn't play Doom at release
>still prefer it over Doom 4
>but still enjoy Doom 4
>also love Duke 3D, Shadow Warrior, and Serious Sam
I just like good shootan games

>>376499997
Only in your imagination. Any sane person will classify the situation I described as no tools provided.

>>376499627
yes, and that's why it should stay in the past

>>376500036
> Any sane person would classify these tools being provided as tools not being provided

This is how you sound

>>376500017
Oh yes it can. D44M is 2017 GotY, you can't change my mind anon, I won't allow you too unless you can confirm D44M 2 is in development.

>>376500076
Maybe you didn't read my post, because there sure as hell ain't any tools provided in it.

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>>376500097
>D44M 2
Don't you mean 5OOM?

>>376500145
So all of these custom levels that are in the game are from where?

Hey, my dude, its alright, you dont have to shill this game anymore. Prey is now out, you can focus on that instead as your new target. You dont have to pretend anymore.

>>376500191
I'd like you to take this time to read and understand my post.

>>376499909
>liking one of the greatest and most influential games EVER makes you a ''contrarian'' in 2017
America needs to be nuked.

Old doom is like tetris.
It's basically the most watered down version of an FPS designed only to be fun like a mini game or something.

Nu doom is like a tetris game with blocks that look like minecraft and survival horror elements added to it.

I honestly don't know what it is, but theres something about these new games that don't actually feel like video games. they feel like interactive movies masquerading as video games.

>>376500245
I'm German. And yes, it does make you a contrarian. Just like the kids who listen to 60s or 80s pop music and then complain about being born in le wrong generation.

>>376500313
>german
That explains a lot.

>>376500247
I know what you mean, but calling OG Doom ''the most watered down version of an FPS'' shows huge ignorance in most blasphemous way. D1993 has way more depth than D2017, that's a single, ironic fact.

>>376499507
>it helps you stay in the past

jesus it's not like old things can simply be better.
Use that fucking arguement for novels or movies. I bet you'll feel smart when you say that avengers is the best movie ever and you only enjoy old classics because they released when you were alive.

Like this is basically a new hope to the force awakens.
That's nu-doom.

>>376500220
And I'd like you to take the time to understand that just because the tool given to anyone who bought the game is not good does not mean it doesn't exist. You say that it only exists in my imagination, and yet here you are, avidly denying the existence of a very real tool within every copy of the game.

>>376500368
I figured watered down is a bad term, but it's like the guy that invented the wheel trying to make it as simple and perfect as possible.

like they knew what they wanted and they didn't have anything else to inspire (steal ideas) from.
Everything served a purpose and they made a game out of what they wanted to play.

This game wound up being pretty good but the demo was fucking horrible. The first few levels made the game seem like it was going to be complete shit. It made me wait to buy it until it dropped to $15. The mid to end part of the game is great though.

>>376500382
I made no statements about Doom not about any particular game. Here's my first post: >>376499901. Read it, take your time to understand what it is about.

>>376498515
>serious sam
l m a o

>>376500247
>they feel like interactive movies masquerading as video games.
thats what you get with linear games with cutscenes and ''press X to see rip n tear'' -gameplay. Player input is minimal, and game's made out of static setpieces.

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>>376500537
Not an argument, cunt.

DOOM (2016) is the best singleplayer FPS since S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

I only wish they had been a little more courageous and tried something new. Maybe the Dark Souls style thing where there are bosses who can be controlled/aided by players if you're connected to the Internet

Gee I wonder what's in this roo- oh wow a lockdown sequence didn't see that coming: the game

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>Hey anon play the new Doom, its just like classic Doom!
>Cinematic kills
>Upgrade systems
>Arena shooting
>No nice simple map overlay but instead an over designed piece of shit you need to pause the game to use
No.

>>376499507
I first played Doom in 2015 and prefer it to the new one

>>376500663
C O N T R A R I A N
Do you even realize how much of a step in the right direction D44M was? Did you forget the late 2000s/early 2010s? Did you forget MMS?

>>376500462
>like they knew what they wanted and they didn't have anything else to inspire (steal ideas) from.
that's pretty much what happened, tho' they did ''steal'' ideas from EVERYWHERE; from the era's culture and media THEY loved, from D&D to Evil Dead + all the Heavy Metal. It was a love work of bunch of friends, guys living the teenage dreams.

The nuDoom on the other hand... it's too clinic. Too corporate product. A carefully designed item, using Doom memes. It lacks soul and challenge.

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>>376499507
>cracked.com

>>376500797
>from EVERYWHERE; from the era's culture and media
there must be something to this.

like inspiration from your own genre breeds failure like incest.

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>>376500729
>Waaaah, contrarian!
I don't care what names you call me anon, Doom 2016 isn't anything like the classic Doom, and all those people claiming it is are shitters. Hard Reset, Painkiller, Serious Sam, all those are closer to Doom than this crap.

You go ahead and enjoy the game though I don't really care, I never and have never said its a bad game, its just not Doom.

>>376500729
thats like thanking your captor for not using the iron rod dipped in coals but instead hitting you with the club.

better than horse shit doesn't make it good.
Copying ideas from old games and that being the only thing carrying your game is a bad sign.

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>>376500938
>>376500935
kys, purist virgins

>>376500972
kys zenifag

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>>376500972
>Sexing on a lady
>Anon says I should play some gay game from the 90's (lol who was even born then!)
>Go back to sexing my fair lady
Virgins are fags.

>>376501029
I don't like zenimax, but at least it's not actiblizz or EA. Again, kys.

>>376496626
are you arguing against the fucking demons in your brain?
D44M got pretty well received. The only complaint was the forced arena-rooms with spoon fed powerups

>>376501187
>The only complaint was the..
>Upgrade system
>Console UI
>Cutscenes
>Nonstop shitty gore kills, because the people who think this is anything like Doom are kids who have only played the shitty Brutal Doom mod
>Maps are arenas connected by doors
>Less enemies on screen than a game from the 90's
>Classic enemy designs replaced by overly complex crap that look like they came off a gpu box cover.

>>376501365
>>Cutscenes
They're barely in there I don't see the problem at all.

>>376501365
>Cutscenes
They could have been worse
>Nonstop shitty gore kills
While they're gay as hell they're not really nonstop

I'll give you those other ones tho

>>376501469
careful, he's going to respond with some form of autistic screech.

Did d44m have hit stun on enemies?

>>376501469
This
I just beat it earlier today and I forgot there were even cutscenes in the game besides the last one.

>>376501620
>d44m
Stop trying to force this shit meme.

What I don't get is why people hate on things that have no bearing on the things they love existing.

The original Doom isn't going anywhere due to the existence of DOOM and they can continue playing it if they do not find the new one to their liking. If Zenimax cracked down on the creation of .wads, then I could see why these people would be miffed, but they are doing nothing of the sort.

>>376498754
There was no ssg in vanilla doom, dipshit. And in Doom 2, the ssg wasn't a replacement for the regular shotgun at all, since it was much slower and ate through ammo like a dumb bitch.
Never discuss games you've never played again.

>>376498457
I'm gonna respond to this post since it triggered me the most, not that I disagree, but that you bring up things that also triggers me.

>Full of cinematic
Ugh... bad person is always just out of your reach like some damn cartoon villain. Stupid bitch is literally behind a glass wall and you can't use your weapons to murder her, nope have to stand and listen.

>All guns suck. Unless you use upgrades.
I hated that. They can be awesome, and after upgrades they turn holy fucking hell! Double Shotgun in DOOM 2 had that feel and it didn't need an upgrade, it was just so satisfying. Or actually, I like it now with mods (although the mod is shit and is what probably sparked the whole Glory kill shit, Brutal DOOM, because at short distance it's literally Hasta la Vista baby with it, and I LOVE it, not some damn glory kill animation, just SPLAT!)

>You can barely hold any ammo
Fully agree, nothing to add, spot on.

>Checkpoints.
Not a bad thing for first timers but for people that grew up on pistolrunning it truly ruins the pace

>Maps are linear pipes
It's not as bad as DOOM3 and they made it somewhat good, but fucked it up with locking the door behind you every time demons spawned.

>Platforming sections
Given you could fall 30 stories and survive in DOOM I'd say this is a minor thing for me since it was always kinda odd.

>Only around half-..
It's so lack luster because the nuDOOM only have up to 12 units, and with locked doors it's so boring because sometimes I just end up luring monsters from different rooms so I can group them together.
>No Pinkie packs.
Pinkies as I saw it have turned into a mini section boss because every scene I've seen with them they are always alone or two at max.

PART 2 --->

>>376499076
>It's clearly the best modern FPS.
It doesn't even have multiplayer.

>>376496626
>LIKE THE PIXELSHIT OUTDATED DOOM
I think you mean the golden standard of fps game design
you are too blinded by the "AAA" presentation to see how shitty of a game it really is
it fails on all the points that matter

>>376500371
>Like this is basically a new hope to the force awakens.
Almost exactly the same thing?

>>376496760
Except you don't hunt for keys here, level design is completely linear and you find keys along the way.
I never had to stop to search for them.

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>>376501905
>Ugh...

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>linear rooms where you kill waves of enemies
>they still put shitty objective markers for retards who can't figure out which way is forward and which way is backward
>all those shitty original enemies that look like they were designed by people who design enemies for video games in movies/crime-scene investigation TV shows

I had fun going through it but it falls short of the original DOOM and DOOM 2 by a huge margin and pretending it's not Casual nuDoom makes you look like a bad shill.

>>376498983
>WOW HOW DARE YOU HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS
Are you hyped for COD WW2, reddit?

>>376498309
I'm not entirely certain if it's a console limitation or engine limitation but it seems legit. You can't even have more than 8 (I think) enemies at any one time in the Snap Map.

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>>376498457
PART 2 ---> >>376501905

>Berserk pack
Pussies, real berserk didn't make you invincible, and you could use whatever you wanted, but fists did 10x damage and had real "glory kills" that gibbed weaker monsters and did it without a stupid QTE-like prompt.

>A goddamn robo-guy
Unless neo-people are told that they should stay edgy and uuuuurgh angry, they can't stay on track.

>No mods, and the Snapmap
Also fucking this, I've never met one in game since I uninstalled it since the game still don't have a proper easy mod support like real DOOM, heck they could make one file modding with "AWAD" files (Again, Where's All the Data), but nope... Snapmap is a joke, and all the doom map making programs are miles better, so many miles that they are in orbit.

>MP is Halo-tier shit. Period.
No objection there, animations, the melee with the weapon, everything is a reskinned HALO, but much of that is in SP as well.

>Spider is the last boss
I hated hitscan, but with today's AI it should predict your movement better to not having to rely on hitscan.

>Bosses have HP bars and almost Zelda-style attack patterns.
Sad, I hate this even in Zelda games.

>Ending was literally a slap to face + "lol, look forward to teh sequel, goy!"
Thanks for spoiling the ending, now I know it's a game with a ground breaking jew tactic game /s
So by the time they release nuDOOM2, because they'll gonna fuck up the name this bad I'm sure, maybe we'll have a PC version free from the limitations of the dumbsoles.

>>376498679
Unupgraed guns still have to feel satisfying when you get them, only to be BETTER when you upgrade them, not turn "GOOD" when you upgrade them.


For the immature neo-/v/ idiots.
No it's not, learn the definition, you have ADD or ADHD, that's why you can't keep concentration, and just calls others autists whenever they write something long, or have a different opinion.

>>376496626
Doom 3 is somehow better than that piece of shit

I never played original doom so maybe I can't talk but after the 3rd mission the novelty wore off and the game got incredibly boring

>>376502159
DOOM 3 was a good game just a bad DOOM game with some rough edges.
If they had named it something different and changed some things people who have loved it.

This is an okayish game and a bad DOOM game.

There are 4 things that make an fps game and Doom 4 failed all of them to varying degrees
>movement
>weapons/player interactions
>enemies/player interactions
>levels
it's real fucking simple stuff that the original got right 20 years ago

>>376498060
>Serious Sam 3 was the real Doom 4.
This game is garbage on every layer that isn't the engine. So yes, we can agree that it's a good sequel to DooM 3.

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>>376502247
Original wasn't made by a boardroom in cooperation with market researchers.

They say video games aren't art here, but to make a good game you need artists to make it. Real artists, as in people who do work for the sake of doing the work and the money is just an icing on the cake for them.

Look at Dwarf Fortress, it's art in so many ways and Toady is a true artist. He makes just enough money to get by and dedicates his life to making his shitty fucking FUN simulator. He alone has made a better game than all the businessmen and faggot market testers in the entire world could make combined.

They are really not nostalgia fags.
More like retards who played it last year for the first time on sourceport with shitty mods like hdoom.

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>>376502175
D4 is nothing like D1-2, besides being an FPS.
You should totally play the old ones, preferably on UV difficulty, using some modern source-port.

Chocolate Doom is great for almost 1:1 vanilla experience, while GZDoom's the only choice for big mods.

>>376501938
>DAE retro games
I hope you choke on your sleeping pills, old man.

>>376502551
Wow... What a retort, TOTALLY not from some underage kid that isn't even allowed to drive.

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Why does no one make sprawling dungeons anymore? This isn't just a problem in FPS, even RPGs like Megami Tensei games have had really stripped-down dungeons since going 3d. Original DOOM didn't stand out for its gunplay, it stood out because of its great level design. Nudoom is a fine 7/10 painkiller derivative, but it just doesn't scratch the same itch as the original.

>>376502395
>Real artists, as in people who do work for the sake of doing the work and the money is just an icing on the cake for them.

I love how you have this absolutely childish notion of what a real artist is.

Some of the greatest works of art in human history were made on commission.

This is that mentally ill Strafe shill right?

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>>376503359
>Original DOOM didn't stand out for its gunplay, it stood out because of its great level design.

This is the stupidest thing I have ever read on this website which I'm sure isn't bait

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>>376503631
>I got lost a couple times in chapter 3 so the level design is bad

>>376503737
Now I know you are literally, genuinely retarded and that wasn't just a fluke post. Was it hard for you to figure out how to get here? Do your caretakers help you?

>red enviroments
>barrels are red because exploding barrels are always red
>the one time the exploding barrels being green would have been the better option
>even if you argue that the player wouldn't understand green means explode theres a ruin minigame that teaches you about exploding barrels

This is how you know they don't think forward but backwards. Trying to work what they know about modern shooters and work old game design to them.

only time the barrels stood out was that cool ice level.

Oh boy it's happening again, the contrarianism is seeping in

>/v/ last year
>Holy shit this is actually pretty good

>Now
>HURR WE NEVER SAID THAT

>>376503808
Usually after the first half-joking strawman people actually start making arguments to back up their point. Are you going to do that or keep wasting my time?

>>376503867
everyone agreed it was a good modern shooter but a bad game.

>>376503918
Okay, it's time to stop replying to me now. I was enjoying listening to an actual disabled person try to form thoughts but now you're just disgusting.

Don't reply again, understand?

>>376501365
>said nobody at all
"maybe" the glory kill stuff
but seriously, cutscenes? troll harder

>>376500935
DOOM 4 is closer to Serious Sam and Painkiller than DOOM 1 is, you fucking retard.

Maybe that's why it was actually well received, because autistic DOOM fans just want a remake of the barebones original game and nothing else.

>>376503970
No, nobody said that. DOOM was fucking agreed on by /v/ to be the best game of 2016, stop talking out your ass.

How people can seriously act like DOOM 4 is the worst game in the series when DOOM 3 exists pisses me off to no extent. D3 was a fucking abomination and it got less hate from /v/.

>>376503990
What's the appeal of shitposting?

>>376503631
>>376503359
original doom stood out because it was basically the first real-time first person game you millenial retards the good game design was just a bonus

>>376504083
>>No, nobody said that. DOOM was fucking agreed on by /v/ to be the best game of 2016, stop talking out your ass.

I don't remember that at all and no one said doom 3 was better.

>>376504083
>DOOM was fucking agreed on by /v/ to be the best game of 2016

Please fuck off and stop spouting bullshit. /v/ can't even come to an agreement on what day it is.

>>376504249
it's tuesday.

Just so everyone knows
This guy is some Strafe dev who has some serious mental issue
He's just trying shitposting and baiting because no one liked his game

>>376503867
>>376504083
>you literal hundreds of different people are hypocrites for not all having the same opinion

>>376504249
>>376504162
>We weren't here but we'll talk like we know shit

I'm a no life NEET who spent practically every day here. DOOM 4 threads were either filled with praise or somebody saying it was the worst game in the series and actually putting it below 3.

>>376504279

Try Wednesday, fag lord.

>>376504349
>living on the wrong side of the world.

>>376496626
>Are nostalgiafags the most pathetic people on /v/?
Yes
Any thread
Any topic

Always without fault the worst posters.
I take every other poster over them

Name any kind of poster. Nostalgiafags are worse.

Each time I come on one of those fucking threads, I see the EXACT same thing all the time.
That one pathetic human being resorting the same fucking pasta full of shit. He tries to convince everyone the game is shit, that Serious Sam 3 was the best modern shooter ever, and each time he gets proved wrong, he goes like "LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU YOU FUCKING UNDERAGED NEWFAG".
While I cannot expect someone mentall ill to suddenly stop being mentally ill, can you guys at least put some effort into not responding to this retard, so we can have a civilized discussion and shit?
Like, I know this is /v/. But can you retards at least try?

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>>376504326
>DOOM 4 threads were either filled with praise or somebody saying it was the worst game in the series

Okay, so now you are contradicting your own claim that
>DOOM was fucking agreed on by /v/ to be the best game of 2016

So which is it, retard? Either everyone on /v/ agreed that it was great or they didn't.

>>376504408
>you just hate DMC:DMC because you're nostalgic for DMC3-4
>you only think DMC:DMC is worse becasue it doesn't have all the good stuff from the old games

what a terrible arguement.
New stuff can be worse.

>>376504387

I'm not the one who's a day behind.

Try to catch up, you homo.

>>376504521
Except the fact no one actually said Donte's game was good

>>376504537
>being ahead of schedule

I bet you slicked your hair back and never talked in class.

>>376504521
I never said that

Nostalgiafags are not the ones who just like older games
Nostalgiafags are the ones who don't shut the fuck up about newer games

Like a normal person would just play the older games he likes.
But a nostalgiafag spends more time constantly going on and on about how it was so much better back in the day.

>>376496626
I fucking LOVED this game, OP. I really should go back and play through again. I mean it's like what 4 hours or so?

>>376504590
I don't know what you're talking about, litterally everyone on /v/ said it was the best game ever when it came out and those that disagree are nostalgia contrarian fags.

>>376497407
>mediocre meat shoot shooter
>great game
Shills are sure trying hard.

>>376504637
>But a nostalgiafag spends more time constantly going on and on about how it was so much better back in the day.

but it was.
it genuinely was better until the end of the ps2 era where only AAA games could survive.

>>376496626
doom wasn't even 3D lol

>>376498747
Serious Sam 3 BFE is hardly that good. The first levels are terrible, and the game just has a shit level design overall. The last level is a very very narrow and small corridor. It's just bigger than the corridors of other games, but it's still a boring corridor. Just an okay game.

>>376504864
no games are 3D if you're going to use that arguement.

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>>376498569
>he doesn't know

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>>376496853
you're making mountains dude. I have no idea why arenas are automatically "bad". It's a shooting game that makes you shoot, whoda thought

>>376496626
I know this is bait but this is easy to take apart. I know some retards would probably say exactly this anyways and believe it.

This game is nothing like the old Doom games besides a few fucking similarities. It would be like saying RE4 is just like RE1 and was a return to its roots just because they were both horror games where you shoot monsters. A game needs much more similarities then just certain things here and there. It changes depending on the game.

This NU-DOOM changes way too much up. In fairness there really was likely no way they would have made a game true to the original games. The original games are barebones by today's standards. They are essentially blank pieces of paper to D44M's cluttered shit.

>tldr
The point is NU-D44M is too modern. In fairness to NU-D44M there really was probably no way they wouldn't have made it this way. There is definitely no way they could make it exactly as the originals. People would have whined about lack of content.

Fuck off and eat shit OP ya faggot.

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>>376504927
um, no?

There's literally no up/down axis, my man

>>376496626
are nu-fags the most tasteless faggots on /v/?
I bet you guys even like MW2

>>376505018
you go upstairs

>>376505018
yes there is
we've already had threads were people literally go through the doom source code to debunk this

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>>376496626
This game honestly got repetitive as fuck towards the end, enter generic looking rooms, fight waves of the same enemies using the same 3 guns progress to next room repeat. Couldn't be arsed to finish it, I don't get all the praise

Not a fan of the melee mechanic either btw, even though it became more obselete later in the game

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>>376505026
it isn't the '00s anymore, games are good again.

>>376498569
>SS
please stop the level design is just garbage

Doom was pretty good. Looking forward to the sequel.
The soundtrack was awesome.

>>376505026
>not liking Mech Warrior 2
Pleb.

>>376505134
>it isn't the '00s

you mean the late 00s and early 10s

>>376505096
not really.

>>376505105
no, there isn't. There's ONE wad that has a bridge and it's laggy as shit.

There's graphical tricks to give the illusion of up down, but other than that there's nothing

>>376505132
>I don't get all the praise

Marketing is so effective that it can convince people to think in certain ways. I'm not kidding marketing is that fucking intense for plenty of things. It actually rewires the brains of dumb people into believing the marketing slogans.

>>376505236
objects have an x,y,z position, projectiles can fly above or below you

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>>376505226
tru

>>376505236
>>There's graphical tricks to give the illusion of up down, but other than that there's nothing
that's just games in general.

>>376505291
> Air Plane Allan

also holy shit that guy with his elbow on the front our-left desk is seen a fucking lot. his name is nathan.

PP b p.

>>376505291
what's with the Dnd poster?

>>376505274
It was fun and I get why the things that bothered me wouldn't bother others, but some people called it their GOTY which boggles my mind

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>>376505182
honestly I found the soundtrack to be quite mediocre
nothing except for 'At Doom’s Gate' stood out, and that is only a minute long

>>376505132
>>376505274
So what I was getting at is that you take away D44M's ridiculous marketing, market it differently and you'd have people parroting the new marketing shit instead.

>hurr durr we are making a new Doom game guys
>tell everyone it is going to be just like the good old classic Doom games!
>m-muh nostalgia hell yeah goys right? XD
>make sure to pay IGN and similar sites well and tell them to parrot our marketing slogans
>the goy will eat this shit up and believe every word of it as long as we pay for good reviews

So then here we are. With retards actually buying into it all believing in it. I have been thinking the past two years I should seriously get into marketing for school. Its clear as day to me that marketing has the strongest effect on the minds of people after shit like religion.

>>376505438
decent amount of monsters borrowed from it for MULP.

>>376505279
meh:

>"The First Pictures". Maximum: The Video Game Magazine. Emap International Limited (1): 134–5. October 1995.
"Doom was criticised for not being a true 3D product – in fact, it's best described as 2.5D (if you will) because although each level could be staged at various heights, it was impossible to stack two corridors on top of one another in any given stage."

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I played the original Doom in 2012 before I knew about /v/ and it's still my favorite shooter today. I didn't get halfway through the reboot though, and I got it for free. Game is shit. It's not nostalgia, it's taste. Your inability to appreciate something good because it doesn't cater to your Jew induced modern videogame sensibilities doesn't make it worse.

>>376505274
Fuck off, moron. The marketing for this game was shit. Everybody here all thought it was gonna be Tortanic 2 until we actually played it

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>>376505741
>It's not nostalgia, it's taste

>>376498457
I agree with most of that except the bosses in nu Doom are far more interesting than the bosses of the original. Cyber demons and spider master minds were literally just shoot it till it dies and don't get hit.

>>376505274
It's funny because the marketing was actually dogshit due to stuff like using MP version to showcase, and everyone was surprised when the game was actually pretty good

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>>376505889
IT IS!!!!!

>>376505669
"Doom 2016 was criticised for not being a true DOOM product – in fact, it's best described as Consoleturd (if you will) because although each level could fit more than 12 units at a time, it was impossible to have corridors open with 12 monsters in each at the same time."

Really makes you think.

>>376505814
No it wasn't shit retard. It was very fucking effective like for most of these AAA games. Otherwise the games would continue to flop.

>using the tortanic 2 meme for such a game

Nice shit meme there bud. That stopped being funny ages ago.

>>376505895
scripted boss fights are gay, the spider mastermind in Doom 1 was shit but the cyberdemon was a great addition to many levels even though he was just a big tank that shot rockets

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>>376505984
Yes, Todd, it was.

>>376496665
This, would have liked a better balance of lock room battles and normal encounters with enemies just spaced around the map.

>>376496626
Surely I can't be the only one that actually enjoyed the MP, If you can actually manage to get a game with a decent amount of players it's fun as fuck

>>376504968
it's no wonder people with IQ of a potato praise nuDOOM and hate original; too much THINKING and LEARNING was involved.

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>>376508589
not an argument

>>376508767
not an argument to my arguments.

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>>376509048
what arguments?