Redpill me on this game /v/ because I just now got to the first

>>376330725
Gets gud when you reach the bottom of Naraku.
Which is like 2 hours in.

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I'LL END IT THUS

>minotaur smirked

>>376330837
This is my first Megami Tensei game (outside of Persona 4G/5) and I feel like if I had started with an earlier entry to the series it would have been better

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>>376330725
pic related
the game is pretty tough for new players
but it gets very easy in the 2nd half of the game
if you don't like it you can always stop playing

>>376330972
Nah, the game is pretty good. But the Naraku bit is the fucking worst. once you kill medusa, the game opens up more and stops being shit

>>376330725
Opening of the game is referencing 1. Dreams and chosen one crap. Game has a lot of callbacks actually. first anon already mentioned though the game opens after Naraku so you're basically just have to tough it out right now.

>>376330972
I think it's a decent entry point, the first few hours just suck.
Most games are self contained anyway so nothing stops you from playing the other ones later.

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>>376331243
I'll admit i was actually pretty suprised

I guess that was the intent if you didn't spoil yourself ahead of time, what with it being some wonky medieval shit about to deal with these 'unclean ones' only to find out it was modern day tokyo underground

It sucks because Sony got the good franchise where Nintendo got this shit ass game

>>376331483
You got the games wrong, it should be the other way around.

>>376331483
>sony got the VN
>people defend that
this is why this board is shit

>>376330725
It's the Dark Souls of the Persona series

>>376331238
Speaking of this one of the things the developers said in relation to SMT 1 confused me. They said something like they weren't too fond of how in every game the hero is special, and wanted to make a game where the hero is just a normal guy. But then
>start game
>immediately have a prophetic dream confirming you are destined to be a hero/person of great importance in the coming events, along with law and chaos hero and your future gf

I guess they meant how he's just some random teenager or something, but it still seems strange.

>>376331628
But muh waifu, 3D battles and vocal OST

>>376331881
>vocal OST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qWXmogpG-0

thanks for reminding me anon

>>376331881
>implying Lucifer isn't best waifu

>>376331823
Flynn is a reincarnation of a former demon counter force soldier that sacrificed himself to fuse with masakado and prevent the nuclear strikes destroying Tokyo.
It's the same shit with Nanashi, your predecesors are the normal guys,
you are just continuing on their legacy.

>>376330725
>Get like halfway through Tokyo or something according to what people tell me
>Give up because I'm tired of "you need to go to ching chong" and ching chong isn't marked on the map because it's assumed I'm an 11 that knows where everything is.

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I just finished SMT IV recently and I thought that it really picked up at Ikebukuro, continued to get better, but then plummeted towards the end of the neutral route. Not the best MegaTen, but it was still good. I really don't understand what they were going for with the archangel redesigns though, they were just ugly.

>>376331823
I think ironically speaking, Demifiend is the most normie of them.

he's not a particularly chosen one or anything, at least not by birthright. He just happened to be in the place that didn't kill him when the world ended. I mean of course Lucifer was there to drop a magatama in his eye but still

I wish there was a better difficulty curve.
>naraku, hard but a good standard for what would hopefully had been to come
>everything in the middle being easy since sidequests grant lods of exp
>the endgame extra bosses/ng+ bosses being tough as nails, especially the fiends, if you could find them

>>376332360
I think the neutral route was supposed to be some sort of hidden route, but for some reason they decided to make it the canon one.

It's a good game, but it's pretty hard for newcomers. You'll need to get good fast. My recommendation is to master fusion as soon as you can. I don't mean getting all the apps for it, you can skip those. I just mean getting into fusing as soon as you start recruiting demons. Keep a track of which demons appear in which areas so you can easily go back and recruit them instead of spending a lot of money buying them back.

The lore goes surprisingly deep, it's a great ride.

>>376332272
Just get a map of tokyo's districts anon.
That's what I did.

>>376332272
Honestly if you just look around the area you where previously it's not too hard to find the next area as the map shows you what area you are in, only when you have to go to a spot you have already visited before do you have to travel far.

>>376331452
I don't think it's really meant as a surprise considering if I remember right the dreams at the start of the game include a destroyed city as a location and backdrop, and the packaging contains images of a modern road, traffic lights etc.
I think it should've been though just for the benefit of the very small group of players who may not have known enough about SMT to expect it.
>>376332154
I was talking about the MC from SMT 1 though. The devs didn't try to imply Flynn was just a normal dude like they did SMT 1's MC.
>>376332369
Doomguy is just some random soldier too right? He's elite but he earned his distinction at least instead of being chosen by some supernatural force.

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>>376332478
I would expect the hidden route to be the interesting and unique one, instead it's the one where you go and do a bunch of shitty sidequests.

>>376332478
It's only 'hidden' by the fact that the neutral margin of error is really small. Like if you literally play it safe with a one-chaos-choice-to-one-law-choice style of answering, the final alignment choice will give you too many points and force you into Law or Chaos.

It's also kinda shitty because the neutral path involves doing every single sidequest

>>376332736
>It's also kinda shitty because the neutral path involves doing every single sidequest
No, it's only a few specific ones. Why not do all the sidequests anyway, you casual.

Play apocalipse instead

Only thing I found wrong with alignments is that they tied the choice to your actual alignment in a game where putting your arm forward during the opening shifts you to law.

They should've just had you be able to pick from chaos law and neutral (plus white).

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>>376333069
I'm doing that right now.

When do I get the Demonica again? or at least the Black one.

>>376333126
Indeed, and this is what they did in IVA. I don't know how well the punishment for going against your earlier choices works though

>>376332915
Doing the sidequests is fun when you're doing them because you want to, but when you're given no choice but to do a shitty fetch quest, it's not fun.

>>376333278
No one is forcing you to go neutral though.

>>376333405
I know, but that doesn't change the fact that the neutral route isn't enjoyable.

>>376332915
Yeah I never understood all the complaints about the side quests. What kind of fag ignores all the side-content in games

>>376333179
In SMT4 you get the black demonica automatically in the storyline and the regular demonica for a shit ton of macca in the North Ginza special store

In SMT4A they're both in the special North Ginza store for a shit ton of macca

>>376333272
I was told the choices in 4A don't really apply ot any alignment locking in any way.

So what benefit is there to being a dick to Asahi other than her deserving it?

>>376333509
if your alignment is too differen to your final choice you are punished by either losing all ur items or your demons.

>>376332736
Worth it to me because I was just killing time at work anyway, and also because Chaos and Law are gigantic shitlords, and I actively go out of my way to say "nah, you guys are tripping, status quo it is!".

Even if it does involve something as drastic as the end of SMTIV.

>>376333509
If you act all nice to everyone but then decide to kill everyone at the alignment lock Navarre steals all your items.
On the flip side, if you do the opposite daddy Dagda releases all your demons.

Gonna play Apocalypse again, this time on max difficulty (last was on Hard). Is this the best example of recycling gone right? Almost every aspect is improved and apart from the friendship stuff, it has no real flaws in my book.

>>376333509
Hey don't be mean to my girlfriend.

>>376333753
Apocalypse was a mistake, to be honest. The 100 agility penalty turns the early game into artificial difficulty because you never know when you'll miss an attack. So, on top of your strategy, you're also relying on luck. Lategame is fun as fuck, though.

>>376334030
>The 100 agility penalty

nani

>>376334147
I meant Apocalypse difficulty. On top of receiving even more damage and dealing even less, all of your party has a 100 agility penalty.

>>376334418
Would it be a good idea to invest heavily into Agility at first then? Also, how viable are gun builds on Apocalypse?

>>376334506
Gun build is good. Also consider Smile Charge. You can't miss while smirking.

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>>376330725
I ordered a 3ds and this game last night after seeing all the SMT and persona threads lately what am I in for lads and any other 3ds games I should try?

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>>376334751
Chaos

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>>376334889
Especially chaos

>>376334506
Guns aren't as viable as in 4, or rather, the stat isn't.

in 4, St was a laughable stat because it only applied to normal attacks, while De applied to both physical moves and gun moves. in 4A they made it a simple St = Physical and De = Guns.

And St went from a terrible stat in 4A to probably the best. Ma is still Ma.

How long should I ideally be spending on an SMT game?

Lol wait SMT4:A is just SMT4 upgraded?

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Just got in Tokyo.
So far I just spent all my points in Str and Dex.
50Str and 30Dex at lvl17.
Poison claw and Neadle+3 deal some mad damages but all the big bossed need to be fought with special elements.
Is physical as relevent as it in in Personas games ?
Thinking about going chaos, Walter is bro-tier

>>376333126
It is kind of dumb that being too nice and selfless is interpreted by the game as you condoning genocide and making you ally with angels to do it.
Not saying there shouldn't be an ending like that, but it doesn't really make sense for just being nice to shift you towards it when Neutral is usually the "nice guy" ending.

>>376331881
>vocal OST
Last Surprise is honestly the best battle theme in a JRPG, Mass Destruction and Reach Out to the Truth suck though.

>>376335112
>So far I just spent all my points in Str and Dex.

I'm so sorry.

For your build, the typical thing to do is 2 in main stat, 2 in luck, and 1 in agility.

Strength is a shitty shitty shitty shit fuck stat in 4. From here on you should invest in Dexterity, no Strength.

>>376335104
No. It just takes place during one of the routes and steers off into it's own thing
>>376335112
Going STR is bad, it barely affects physical skills while DEX does. Also put points in LCK

>>376335104
It's a whole new scenario that branches from 4's neutral route. It also improves on 4's gameplay.

>>376335104
It's a sequel to SMT4 that starts halfway through SMT4's story on the Neutral Route and splits off into own timeline from there.

Mechanically and gameplay wise it's a straight upgrade in a lot of ways though

>>376335248
I put literally everything into Ma

Did I do good?

>>376330972
if you want an smt game that will grip you from the beginning
go with nocturne or dds
nocturne arguably has the most haunting opening chapter in any jrpg

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>>376335298
>Mechanically and gameplay wise it's a straight upgrade in a lot of ways though
Characters as well.

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>>376335248
>Filthy dexfags actually believe this


>>376335326
>telling someone to play DDS first
I will never understand why faggots on /v like it so much. The MC looks fucking horrible has shit element ice and your followers are either whining little faggots or psychopaths who want to kill and eat everything

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>>376335248
>>376335281
Am I done for ?

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>Playing Apocalypse
>Shit, they changed all the good battle music
>Oh THERE it is

>>376331045
Whenever I see this pic I die a little inside. It's not even that bad, it just drags on the first couple of hours like almost every SMT game.

>>376335494
There is literally no benefit to going Str over Dex. in 4.

I'm doing Str in 4A right now though.

>>376335562
I mean it's only the first 16 levels, but then again you might have a super hard time for a while. And you have to decide between settling with this or going back and doing all of that shitty mikado garbage again.

>>376335464
>Characters as well
Nice joke, Toki is the worst Megaten character I've seen.

>>376335543
Just start doing 3 DEX 1 AGI and 1 LCK from now on

>>376335494
is this baki

>>376335696
Thanks senpai

>>376335543
You're still ok. Just invest into Dex, Agility and Luck from here on and ignore Str.

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>>376335732
Yes

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>>376335696
>Toki is the worst Megaten character I've seen.
t. hasn't played Persona 4

>>376335464
>just hops in and slaughters shit

And she doesn't steal my turns like Gaston as far as I'm aware

>>376335494
nocturne is actually my suggestion to play first but dds does have an intersting opening chapter
dds is a good spinoff but its okay if you dont like if anon

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Is this shit emulable on citra?
pls no bullying

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>>376330725

The first part of every SMT game is usually unreasonably unfair.

Get past the first boss. If you're not interested in playing after that, it's not for you.

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>>376335464
I like her better with the mask.

if only because she sounds cooler with it.

>>376335803
>yosuke hate meme.
Yeah, no, fuck you and your dumb meme.

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>>376335803
Not even the worst of his own game.

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>>376335938
I'm playing DDS for the first time. Does Heat get better because so far he's been an insufferable prick and just tried to rape Sera.

10/10 design though.

>>376332461
That's every SMT. Once you have long fusion chains going and have access to a lot of skills the difficulty drops like a rock.

>>376336193
Every character is pretty much the same minus their innate weaknesses

Also he probably gets worse

>>376336193
No DDS is fucking terrible expect that through out the whole thing.

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>>376336193
You'll come to like him

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>>376336105
Toki is cute cute cute!

>>376330972
SMT4 is basically a "best-of" game, it's extremely traditional when it comes to SMT story and design. It's meant to be a jumping off point into the rest of the series, so just give it a little longer.

>>376336193
Heat grows on you. After playing DDS2 it becomes more justifiable why his character acts like a selfish dick all the time

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>>376336476
Best of my ass

>they use the shitty older design instead of the superior modern design for a demon

Instead of this

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>>376336772
we got this

>>376336881
That's the main issue I have with the game.
Minotaur was awesome but fuck, Medusa looks like shit.
Not to mention the low level demons who look like utter shit.
And the Angels, wtf

>>376336193
Heat did nothing wrong.

>>376330934

HOY
O
Y

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>>376335464
>any party member except Dagda
>good

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>>376335494
I always assume they played it when they were teenagers, and I don't mean that in a bad way because I like DDS, but I feel like it's just the most likely reason that someone would put such high praise on the story and characters, which were both good, but not amazing, Gale aside.

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>>376336985
that was more having guest artists. I was talking about when a demon has multiple designs throughout the series and they go with the old one.

Like getting this Angel instead of bondage angel in DeSu2

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>>376335543
I just beat the game the other day and I went full STR and DEX. I never turn my back on the world of STR.

>>376336985
>Spoiler
Whats wrong with the Angels in SMT4

you even get both types of bondage angels in SMT4A

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>>376337130
Adachi and Dagda spinoff when?

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>>376337187
Like how we have this Oberon...

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>>376337275
I think he's talking about the archangels anon.

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>>376336193
I never grew to like him, but I really liked the justification for his behavior. Also, this design in one of the newer OPM chapters reminded me of Agni a lot.

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>>376337275

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>>376337387
but then we get THIS Oberon in IV

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>>376337130

Uh... You don't get to bring friends, Godslayer.

>>376333179
Why is the helmet smirking?

>its another weebshit game thread

>>376337476
He got the first strike.

>>376337387
I fucking love this Oberon.

>>376337461
I hate this Oberon.

>>376337412
>>376337438
Oh that shit, yeah its disgusting
>>376337461
I don't mind that Oberon, I forgot which Titania was in 4? Switch has green dress version

>save file corrupted a few hours after route split
>no uploaded saves in the internet
What do?
I don't really want to replay Naraku

>>376337596
Green dress is best. IV and IVA have the blue dress one.

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>>376337275
conceptually they're cool.

The problem is that Amemiya insists on putting as much into a design's asymmetry as he can, because that's his fetish. Everything needs at least 5 random bird claws.

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>>376337596
Best version.

>>376337412
These designs are great; just not for MegaTen. They look more like they belong in a Konami horror game.

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I played it while recovering from surgery, and now it feels strange to play an SMT game without being stuck in bed. I'll only be able to get through the Cosmic Egg in Final once I get cancer.

>>376337719

They look like they belong in anything that isn't a 240p screen.

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>>376337710
Superior but i don't think she got redrawn.

I don't mind this Titania, but I have issues with how her wings come out of her shoulders

>>376337720
Cosmic Egg? Try YHVH's Universe.

>>376330725
What the fuck do you need redpilling on, what does that even mean

>>376337834
It's some shitty /pol/ meme.

>>376337710
"Are you ready?"

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>>376337795
I'M RUNNING AND I'M CRYING

>>376337767
Want to talk about it?

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>>376337905
I NEED MORE

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>>376337719
>>376337767
Doi drew them cool but we only ever saw doi's rendition of them in promotional art.

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>>376337834
He wants to be the demons.

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>>376337994
LOSING MY SIGHT
LOSING MY MIND

I beat the neutral route of 4 on my first playthrough with 213 str, it's always a world of strength

>more people are playing smt because of p5

cant believe persona did something right

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>>376338024
To be fair Doi's good at redrawing shit into tolerable

>>376331045
To be fair it's not like half those quotes are exactly wrong.

4 kinda blows ass. I like 4:A better in literally every way outside characters. It tried way too hard to be Persona-ish in tone.

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>>376338117
To be fair some of Doi's designs are objectively 10/10.

>>376338117
This is definitely an example of "tolerable". Lucifer went from unsettling Squidward to evil Squidward who always carries a chair around

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>>376338117
Yes he is

>>376338092
that was cancer

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>>376338024
>>376338117
>>376338251
I think Doi is an excellent successor to Kaneko. He really does understand what makes demon designs top tier, and his redraws are untouchable.

That said; his unique human designs leave a lot to be desired.

>>376330725

>Dreams, dungeons, 'ur the chosen one lel' trope...

That's literally every SMT game. It's kind of the appeal. If you don't like that stuff, stop playing.

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>>376338349
>his unique human designs leave a lot to be desired.
Really it's just the hair he does, I dare someone to try and defend Isabeau's hair.

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>>376338267
>I just added the chair and gives him the 12 wings. I feel defeated as an artist

>>376338454
Nah, the entire team from 4A were straight trash with their Sentai theme. Nozomi looked way better in her concept art before becoming "Slut of the Faries"

>>376338349
why did Soejima and Doi both redraw Maya?

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>>376338349
I like Doi, but it's unfortunate that he doesn't have as distinct of an artstyle as Kaneko. Also, one of the best things about Kankeo's artstyle was how well it translated into the games. The PS2 MegaTen games still look great today, and I think it's largely because of the artstyle. Doi hasn't had his designs in a game without sprites though, so I can't be sure whether or not they would translate as well.

>>376338668
In-game art for P2. iirc Doi did the portraits.

>>376338251
Fuck off that odin looks ugly as shit, too overdesigned

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>>376338267
Because Doi didn't redesign them. He just redrew them to look coherent with the rest of the art

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>>376338653
>"Slut of the Faries"
>This is somehow a bad thing

>>376332360
>>376332360

The archangel designs were based on biblical images of angels. If you read the bible, they describe angels are these eldritch abominations. One of them was literally a flaming wheel. Running with that strange, unknowable, uncomfortable concept, they redesigned the archangels. I think they're more distinctive this way.

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>>376338812
Better than Purple Dude in a towel

Although I like Soul Hackers Odin the best

>>376338694
>The PS2 MegaTen games still look great today
Not Persona 3 and 4, comparing those to Nocturne and DDS it's night and day.

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>>376338812
>>376338251
This is best Odin, and it was never used again

>>376338958
Is the 3DS Soul Hackers any good? Should it be played before or after 4/4A?

>>376338938
I agree, but those didn't have Kaneko art.

>>376338868
"Beyond our comprehension" doesn't mean I can just scribble whatever the fuck I want in a piece of paper and present it as a design.
Dude just added claws to a coral tree.

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>>376339032
>but those didn't have Kaneko art.
Yeah I was agreeing that his art style was a huge part in what made the games look so good today.
>>376338889
>Better than Purple Dude in a towel
Kek

/v/, did you kill Dulhallan, or did you save her? You did kill her, right?

>>376339142
Why would I ever save a demon?

>>376339142
>her
Fucking tranny demon.

>>376339221
Anon, your party is full of demons.

>>376339142
> tfw saving an unclean one turned into a filthy demon is the law option

What's the point of smirking doesn't hitting a weakness or being crit impose enough punishment without doubling down on how fucked over you/your enemy is?

>>376339428
Every game has this contradiction
>Don't kill impure ones
>be nice to everyone
>Altruism
>but lets commit genocide again!

>>376330725
I found it to be the worst SMT by far. The dialogue was the most insufferable element: HOY HOY HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOY

>>376330725
A reviewer called smt iv the Dark Souls of Persona
I don't have the image but it was posted a lot on /v/

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>>376339521
>What's the point of smirking

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>>376339575
>hating on hoy

>>376332369
WTF all these years I thought Lucifer dropped the magatama down his nose.

You're telling me it went into my eye?

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>>376330725
i felt overwhelmed when i got to Tokyo
i can't bring myself to keep playing

>>376339428
Saving her is the chaos option though.

>>376339524
It's even worse in Dullahan's case since 20 minutes later you have the choice to fight Kuebiko where killing him is the law option and letting him live is the chaos option

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Is there even a point leveling LUCK?

Also, how fucked am I?

I'm at Infernal Tokyo and going through Camp Ichigaya for the THIRD time is just annoying. This is Bravely Default levels of bullshit.

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>>376330725
I looked everywhere in my area for a copy of this and couldn't find it. I'll have to get it online, got the world ends with you instead.

>>376339910
IV or Apoc?

>>376339964

At least the layout changes each time, and the music is rockin.

>>376339910
IV

I beat Lucifer and Merkahbah like they were nothing in 4A.
Then I set the game down.

There's no real sense of atmosphere in 4A and it suffers greatly compared to Vanilla 4.
I had fun though.
How far am I from beating it?
I want to try this YHVH dungeon everyone talks about.

>>376339910
Luck is really great for Dex builds because once you get a lot of luck then you hit critical hits more often than not

In SMT4A it's slightly less great because the enemies' luck plays into whether you'll get a crit too

>>376340020
>>376340039

>>376340046
Gotta beat up the Salvation Squad next then it's off to YHVH Land

>>376340046
Pretty sure you're coming up to the endgame portion, which is actually a lot of fun.

>>376340134
A bit fucked because Str do nothing to your Phys build unless you are using as your main source of damage

>>376340258
*normal attack as your main damage

>>376340258
well, I only use Phys skills though.

>>376339524
every game except undermeme

>>376340363
Best load up on that Dex son. It has a much bigger effect on your phys skills than Str.

>>376339012
There is now best way, play them however you want, once you got through one of them the whole series is open to you,

>>376340258
Strength still increases Phys attacks, just less than Dex does. So it's definitely salvageable

>>376340363
Phys skill scale from Dex much more than Str. It's a bit fucked

>>376340436
>>376340498
oh wow, thanks ATLUS.

>>376338156
> It tried way too hard to be Persona-ish in tone.
what about massacre ending

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Great, SMTIV thread.
I just started, at the quest where you have to find Navarre. I noticed that the shop has sale for weapon and armor. Should I splurge all my money now or should I wait for later?

>>376331045

SMT4 is pretty fun, but it really bothers me the story is so shit.

>>376340818
General rule of JRPGs is to just skip buying armor or weapons if they don't offer at least a 30% increase in their respective stat.

>>376340818
Ignore that gay shit. Wait until you reach Kasumigaseki and put on the Black Demonica and nothing else.

>>376340818
Money is hard to come by in SMT4 unless you have the money grinding DLC. I'd say don't splurge on anything unless you think it'll be really useful

>>376340969
>>376340995
>>376341015
Alright, thanks.

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What was his problem?

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>>376335696
>>376335775
why people say dex? i've been doing magic

>>376340046
u are still 15 hours + out desu

>>376341380
>magic
>being gay

>>376341380
That was to a particular anon who dumped his points in nothing but Strength and Dex, where the former in 4 is practically useless, and everyone told him to just keep dumping in Dex since he was already invested.
Magic will always be magic no matter what game.

I don't understand the complaints about the characters in 4A when you can just kill all of them if they piss you off

it's a good compromise

>>376340818
Armor in this game is pretty much useless except for aesthetics.

>>376339910
You're quite fucked.
Ma and Dx are vital.

>>376341686
b-but +2 to stats...

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>>376341802
>+2

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>>376341672
You have to bear them for more than half the game until Dagda relieves you of your burden

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>>376341802
>+2

playing smt1

when do I get nerve bullets

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>>376341380
We postin meme builds?

>>376342004
WHY.png

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>>376335216
>I never played Bravely Default

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R5lkM5EBjo

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>>376342004
I'm game.

>Played 4 twice since and maxed out every stat to combat the meme

>>376342004
Show your skillz

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>>376342170
>all those demonfus

>>376342170
>Points in nothing but MA and DX
>All-star demonfu clan

Jesus...

>>376331045
>Forgettable OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHhpFGmmUMU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6cSbof7Pik
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7M_g_LJn3Q
Vocals are overrated.

>>376335216
>what is DDS

>>376342479
Edgy shit read the thread

>>376341985
When the heroine joins she comes with nerve bullets. Swap them out for something else and take them from her.
I think you can grab them when you revisit Shinjuku.

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>>376342170

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>>376337720
I hope you have a happy and fulfilling life

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>>376341380
I did a build where I pumped luck the most, followed by dex, and then agility and magic in almost equal measure. Skillset contained the broken as fuck Stun Needles, a random physical skill, a couple strong single target magic spells for coverage and Charge/Concentrate. While I don't doubt that I would have had no problems with the game if I had pumped magic alone, Stun Needles was such a crazy skill from beginning to endgame that going full world of dx/lu was tempting
>2-3 hits of medium(medium my ass, this skill hit hard) gun damage
>at least one of them crit more often than not, guaranteeing another half pressturn and potentially smirk
>on top of that each hit could paralyze enemies, crippling bosses for several turns and leaving regular enemies open to Fundraise negotiation $$$
>versatile in use, useful on both single enemies and groups, only thing stopping you being the very rare null/reflect gun enemy
I think you could even get it really early too, I just forget what demon had it, it's been a couple years

>>376342525
DDS OST is edgy shit now?

>>376342528
you mean after the bombs go off? I'm in shinjuku pre bombs rn

>>376342662
Yeah.

>>376342709
how far away is that, I want to shoot some niggas

>>376338454
I actually liked it simply because it because it gives their culture a unique look.

It might not actually be a haircut for samurai, but it made me think it might be. So take that for what you will.

>>376342752
Not long. You get the Heroine in Shinjuku after you rescue her, and the bombs drop after you fight Thor, which is soon.

>>376342752
Once you meet with heroine and save her in the govt building CHaos and law heroes leave your party as you go deal with the military and americans.
Once heroine is the only person in your party, you can swap out the nerve bullets with different bullets so you can equip onto MC.
You're playing on the Orden patch so you bought guns back at the antique shop (guns are available once you get attacked in the mall I think or at least once you get out of prison), right?

>>376337412
These are amazing, you fucking sperg. I swear some of you won't accept a design as good if it didn't look like some sort of capeshit character wearing a track suit like >>376338251

>>376343151
>>376343156

nice

heroine stays with me on neutral right?

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>>376343196
It's not like the "angels are fucking weird" have no precedent in the series. Those redesigned angels are out of place as hell

>>376343229
Yeah. She shares your alignment.

I played Nocturne and it was trash. Why's so fucking overrated? SJ and SH were better.
Is it just a bunch of PS2babbies?

>>376343453
>Soul Hackers

Well of course it's better, it's the best of the franchise

>>376343453
Being the first game

There's a reason many Persona fans think 3 is the best

>>376343380
Why would an alien entity have a design that would appeal to human interests? They're horrific, and intentionally made thus. You aren't supposed to look at them and think, "Yeah, those things will totally be my salvation!" for a reason.

>>376343453
Wasn't it the first game to use 3d models for the demons? Presentation and a unique art style contributes to it's popularity a lot i think.

Goddamn, it feels like a mistake to have done the Nothingness ending in SMTIV first.
I'll get access to those NG+ only quests, but going through the start is so fucking tedious now.
Plus resummoning all my demons and losing the Black Card.

>>376331045
While "The Dark Sould of Persona" quote is hilarious, whoever siad SMTIV has a forgettable OST should get their ears checked.
It's by far the best in the franchise in my opinon.

Is it worth it to get SMT off the app store for my phone?

>>376343805
Seraph didn't have a design that appeal to humans on purpose, but still incorporate angelic themes like Metatron and Mastema, for example. The archangels in IV didn't incorporate that

My point is that if you want a "alien on purpose" angel design, Seraph's an example of how to do that

>>376338092
>418F
Four Hundred Eighteenth floor? Tell me that's not real.

>Futaba is my girlfriend at rank 9
>Christmas Eve
>Should get a message from someone to hang out
>Nothing
>Go home to Sojiro and Futaba
>Sojiro "I guess you are spending Christmas alone?"
>"I have a girlfriend"
>Futaba "That's news to me"

Fuck

>>376344437
Wrong thread Boyo

>>376344306
You don't actually go through all those floors. Elevators are just really shitty in SMT games and stop wherever they want.

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>>376344437

>>376344437
>personababby ruining the smt thread

out.

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>>376344437
You came to the wrong neighborhood

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>>376335216
>Last Surprise is honestly the best battle theme in a JRPG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwymn3QGdcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHPYTkFqH6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9xUW73e8kU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vxRVtb0aVI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LqbISbPDMQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGw5kwHl_LU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VSDw8VwaNE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4FdfaRX8EM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-J6nx1Gfq0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8Kf3d9ly9s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOsRITXDBxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je38BqKIAvM
Among many more are better than Last Surprise

>>376344792
You can't ruin what's already shit.
>>376338561
Why didn't Doi just redraw form 2 Lucifer? That was better than form 1 and should've at least appeared while in YHVHs Universe. They reuse the themes already.

>>376345182
Probably didn't want to shit on the guest artists

give me some demon setups arggg

>>376332360
jewish robots

>>376338812
>too overdesigned
Literally couldn't get any more simple without taking off the cape and making him a purple spearman

>>376345158
Kh is autistic

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>>376345158
>First link is Mememomura garbage

>>376335216
>Last Surprise is honestly the best battle theme in a JRPG
No even as good as Time to make History or Arranged battle.

>>376346015
>>376346040
Great counterpoints right there

>>376330725
Apocalypse is better

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>>376346408
>Time to make History
>Good
>>376346040
>>376346015
>>376345158
Man you plebs, best battle theme is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73GmqRChDh4

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>>376345158
>When you go to Sandland in SMTIV and everything is distant and you don't know wtf just happened and A3 starts playing
NOW THAT'S SOME HYPE BOI

>>376346040
>>376346015
>disregarding KH's OST

>>376344437
KEKED BY A VIDEOGAME

>>376346850
Nothing is more hype than this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6cSbof7Pik

>>376339910

> leveling str

oh shit hoy what are you doing

>>376346967
Yes there is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHyf8fHloow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af9pTcq5uSo

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>>376330725
>tfw this game didn't get a physical release in europe

>>376347091
>VR Battle
I was just going to post it. So comfy, i listen to that when I play other games just because it keeps me so focused.

>>376342585
You can get Stun Needles before fighting the Minotaur. That's how soon you can get it.

Is the cosmic egg the last dungeon in 4A? I've only heard shit about the last dungeon of this game but I'm really enjoying the cosmic egg, the music is a big part of it.
I imagine that there might be one more dungeon for YHVH.

>>376348447
Have fun >>376337905

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Reading this thread is getting me super excited to play SMT IV and having the time to finish it this time.

I was playing it earlier last year but my DS broke, but my brother is lending me his. I had no idea what type of build I was doing but I am gonna start a new game anyways.

Just so I know:
>ST
basic attacks?
>DX
guns?
>magic
Spells
>AG
speed?
>LU
crit

What type of builds are viable in 4? I was getting crushed most of the early game but I think it was because my stat distribution was shit.

>>376337905
>>376348514
Holy fucking shit.

>>376348602
Been running 3 mag, 1 agi, 1 luck for the whole game.
Ensured that I always had a variant of agi, zan, bufu or zio so MC could at least hit a weakness on like 90% of the demons. I've heard that magic builds are weaker than dex builds late-game, but it got me through the start pretty easily.

>>376341921
more than half the game?
mate it's only just before the final dungeon you can kill your companions

>>376348602

STR is absolute shit.
If you think you want to make a STR build, you want to go with DEX instead.

>>376348602
You can do pretty much anything as long as you disregard St, Dx boosts both phys and gun damage

WHEN THE FUCK IS MY IF... TRANSLATION COMING

REEEEEE

>>376348930
ANSWER US GIDEON

>>376348614
It's not THAT bad gayest thing is that you can't scout demons which always makes dungeons feel flatter to me.

What about 4Final? The stats work the same way?

>>376348876
>Dx boosts both phys and gun damage
Then what's the fucking point of Str?

>>376349176
Oh yeah, that really sounds like it sucks. I always go demon hunting the first time I arrive at a new dungeon.

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it bothers me that they fucked strength so hard in this game, who the fuck wants to be forced into playing a mage cause every other build sucks ass?

>>376337905
I honestly like YHVH's Universe
It's hard to traverse and it honestly feels like a middle finger from the giant yellow head

>>376349274
also I really don't like how they handled Metatron

>>376349310
Me too
>>376349235
Apoc fixes all the gay stat things. Str is fucking useless in IV for anything but auto attack

>>376349235
Ask the devs. St boosts regular attacks and also phys skills slightly but who uses regular attacks?

Shit got fixed in 4Apoc, in that game St boosts phys and Dx boosts gun

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>>376348876
>>376348852
>>376349235
Yeah, what IS the point of ST is DX does phys and gun damage?
>>376348815
>>376348852
As for DX or MA builds, Im assuming 3 in either DX/MA then 1 AG, 1 LU?

Is it viable to be both DX and MA or should I just stick to one? Normally I would experiment but this game crushed me early game and I just want a build where Im not playing from behind

>>376349291
Dex build is fucking cash, especially if you get Matador's ring. Crits all day everyday

>>376349291
>not going dex

>>376349291
Flynn is a samurai so the game want you to build Dex

>>376340046
What difficulty are you playing on? The game isn't fun if you're not playing on Apocalypse, just so you know that.

>>376349516
I guess you could sorta try to balance it, but considering the stat cap is something dumb like 999 I see no reason to deviate from your chosen path.
You're gonna feel the limit of your 8 skill slots with magic, I can guarantee you that.

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>>376349583
>being a gun samurai
eh better than mage I guess

>>376349731
Let me explain better
Normal attacks scale off STR
Phys/Gun skills scale off DEX

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>>376349310
What are your thoughts on Yoyogi Park?

Where did I put my 3DS charger guys?

>>376349841
Actually, physical/gun skills also get boosted by STR, but DEX gives like twice the bonus or something dumb.

>>376349885
>pixie switching formation

One of the easier dungeons though, but it's fun

Why couldn't they have made SMT IV for the Vita? I hate playing shit on my 3DS. Only bought this thing for pokemon and smash and both were shit this generation

>>376330725
I think SMT4 is really good, but the beginning is such a turnoff I can't recommend it to any of my friends as their first entry to the series. Naraku is just so unrepresentative of the rest of the game that it's a crime, it simultaneously serves as a forced tutorial and probably the most difficult area relative to player power in the game.

Once you get passed it, the game opens up into something much more interesting, but until you do, it's just a disappointment.

>>376350149

because the Vita is for third rate trash and the 3DS is for second rate trash

>>376330837
That's also when one reaches the world map, which is the hardest opponent of the game.

>>376349885
I wish the fight against that Manikin was more difficult, but I liked it otherwise.

>>376350149
>Vita
You want to kill the series or something? If anything the 3ds gave it a lot of steam for the future.

>>376350245

Retard alert.

>>376343380
Seraph is accurate to its mythology while being stylish as fuck. Definitely one of my favorite demons.

>>376349841
you still need high strength if you want to get past the door that gives you the best sword in the game, but regardless, straight up sword attacks just aren't good in this game, guns go way further, they fucked it a little bit cause of the values, but I guess swords have always been pretty uninteresting in the world of SMT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwQuxPHQCeo

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>>376350218
>>376350257
I got my Vita for like 85 bucks and it is legit one of the best gaming consoles I have ever used. I travel alot for work so I brought it and my 3DS everywhere I went while on buses, trains, and planes.

After prolonged use of the Vita, the 3DS just feels so cheap. Luckily I love baseball games and the Vita had The Show on it so I played that and P2, P3P, and P4G. I really wanted to play SMT IV on it so bad, so fucking bad but I can't go back to the 3DS. Feels like shit

>>376350620

get over it


or wait for Citra I guess, whatever

>>376350702
I used to have a PSP with emus on it, but I gave it to my poorfag friend in Japan when I went on tour there

I regret that so much

>>376350890

Vita on 3.60 has PSP/PS1 emu

and Vita on any firmware plays homebrew emulators

>>376350620
It might feel cheap but its a fact that the 3ds has great games and that's why it sells. Putting the game on Vita would be begging to have the series die.

>>376349885
cathedral and eridanus were both more annoying, yoyogi ain't too bad

so what does a good dex build look like? just pump dex 2 > agi 2 > 1 luck?

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>>376350956
Shit I gotta sit down next time I'm home for more than a few days and set up my vita for that
>>376351043
To be honest, I pretty much bought all the big releases on 3DS and none of them felt really great that might be my shit taste but ive been doing handheld games since GB

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>>376351467
I'd say 3DX, 1AG, 1LU

>>376347170
Not to mention it came out like a year and a half later than America. At least IV:A got a physical release here and didn't take super long to come out.

>>376350890
>>376351505
>tour

Are you in the army?

There is any good dlc for apocalypse or the new missions are all shit?

I finished the game before killing all the fiends, I don't know if I should try playing the rest.

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>>376351894
No.

I work as a jobber/ring crew/extra for a wrasslin company.

>>376343453
>SJ better than anything, let alone nocturne

SMT1, a game that came out decades earlier and thus has design choices like "you have to either cast this spell you usually wont have or spend several seconds going through menus to check your map even though there are almost no landmarks", is objectively miles better than SJ when it comes to gameplay depth, dungeon design and story

>>376350256
>I wish the fight against that Manikin was more difficult
Sakahagi himself is weak but that's because he jumps you right after you just fought the massive potential brick wall that is grimekala, who seemingly exists entirely to troll world of STR players

>>376351982
There's the beach DLC. Pure fan-service but you do get a boss fight and a demon at the end. Same with the one with Cleopatra, which you should do anyways because Cleopatra's good in general.
There's also one where you fight Stephen with the other protagonists from the past games which is hard as fuck.

>>376352250
Based Elephant of Physical Reflection.

Fuck that world map, though. What a needless pain in the ass.

>>376352250
Speaking of Girimehakala, I think it's a shame that his HD model is the one where he's on two legs instead of the one where he's on four, I prefer the latter.

>>376352357
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDsDYCI3fyc
Good music though.