I have the urge to play a classic RPG. Is Pillars of Eternity

Yes, if you like those kinds of games its well worth a play.

>>376315668
no, just play a classic rpg

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>>376315668
Yes, it's the best RPG since new Vegas.

On this topic, how was Wasteland 2? Looked kind of cool, but I never got around to it.

I've played BG2, Fallout 1&2 and Pillars of Eternity and I liked them all for reference. Or should I really just go play something like Planescape: Torment?

Pillars was my first cRPG and I loved it. I'd suggest to ignore all kickstarter-backer NPCs, as it's just a bunch of garbled nonsense. All-in-all a great game with a killer soundtrack.

>>376315668
Well, it's okay. I'd rather just replay BG/IWD/PS:T, but if you're itching for something new it's okay.

>>376316436

Planescape is great, there's a lot of influence depending on what you say in the dialogues. For instance if you lie you can meet the anthropomorphisation of your lies. I greatly recommend it. The new Planescape on the other hand is kinda rushed.

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It's really boring. I'd rather replay Baldur's Gate 2 for the 20th time to be honest.

>>376315668

It's not bad. The White March I&II is pretty necessary though.

>>376316051
Is Shadowrun Hong Kong actually good? I've heard mixed things but it's on sale right now.

>>376317797

I wouldn't say necessary, but definitely better than the base game.

>>376318818
Somebody fucking answer me before I get PISSED

>>376318818
It's not as good as Dragonfall but it's a good game nonetheless. It's a no-brainer for 5 bucks, really.

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>>376315668
It has a million flaws, but it's still an easy 8/10 at worst, especially with the expansion, as >>376317797 and >>376319563 said.
And listen to this anon >>376316790, any NPC that has golden name and the "Look into his soul" bullshit is a backer NPC with a shitty backstory that is completely irrelevant to the actual game. Ignore them. Same deal with the gravestones.

>>376315668
I don't know, it's okay but personally I found it kinda boring and lacking the feel the old games had.

>>376317608
I wasn't even able to fully replay BG 2 one time. It's too hard to replay these big epic RPGs. They were made to be played through once.

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Give it a try. I think it's the best modern western RPG released in quite a while
Durance a best

>>376319651
To expand on this, the gameplay is actually much better than Dragonfall and most runs will either have an interesting gimmick or multiple ways to complete it, but the story honestly kinda slow and plodding and fails to really get you invested in it.

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I'm getting started with this. What classes are fun and which classes should I avoid?

>>376317797
My problem with most Obsidian rpgs is that the DLC is usually so much better than the base game. POE and New Vegas were honestly pretty mediocre with their base games, but the DLCs roll around and suddenly you're having philosophical debates with gods and recreating the Wizard of Oz with robots.

Play Underrail instead.

>>376324370
There's no bad class, so you can choose whatever you feel is best. I personally recommend Barbarian or Monk, since they have the funnest gimmicks and you get a Fighter, a Mage and a Priest companion within the first few hours.

>>376324429
Honestly, that's a pretty nice problem to have, if you ask me. You play through the game once when it launches and then you later start playing through the expansions when they come out. Better than making the expansions feel like very small add-ons that aren't really worth bothering with.

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>>376324879
Why not both?

>>376325582
No raisin in most general cases - it's just that I can't stand most RTwP games.

What are some good games that use Action Points and aren't Fallout, Divinity Original Sin, Wasteland or Underrail?

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I don't know why, but I hated this game at release and frequently shitposted about it and then replayed it out of boredom a few years later and now I love it and kickstarted the sequel. They made a believer out of me and I'm not even sure how.

Can I pirate expansion if I have steam copy of original game?

This whole game feels samey.
Stat changes feel like nothing, even when your min/maxing.

>>376326361
Age of Decadence is really nice

>>376326947
The expansions are pretty good and the patches made a lot of good changes, including less trash mobs and a way better Stronghold. Loading times were improved, as well (although they are still pretty bad)
And last, but not least, the game got balanced

>>376327290
Yeah

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I don't know if i Love or hate it and Iv'e beaten it trice.

>>376327875
>Stat changes feel like nothing, even when your min/maxing.
Not true

>>376329523
I think you probably at least like it a bit, mate.

it's extremely forgettable, just like Tyranny

anyone play the android versions of Baldur's Gate or KOTOR? I just learned there's a port for those and planetscape too so I wanted to know if they're worth it for someone that hasn't played any of those games

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>>376331686
>planetscape

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>>376331686
>planetscape

>>376332031
>>376332175

>being a dumb frogposter in 2017

>>376331686
>Planetscape
It's called Planet Escape: Tournament, dude.

>>376332031
>>376332175
yo man I had always just assumed
like with the bernstien bears

>>376315668
It's awful, it's literally just one long never-ending cliche that rips off all the actual good rpgs from the last decade. There's one decently written character in the entire game, other than that it's all weightless companions with a tiny questline and zero depth to them.

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but... how BALANCED is this game exactly?

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The way Zahua's quest unfolded was depressing desu.

I think the 'being too late' and the helplessness of it all spoke to me.

>>376332652
yeah pretty much

on the other hand, knowing that, it's alright for what it is. just alright.

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>>376332951
you see that build?
you can do it

>>376331439
Don't you dare compare Pillars of Eternity with Tyranny. Pillars was very competent and fun. Tyranny was a disaster.

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>>376332652
This is untrue. Pillars of Eternity has a pretty fun story and some great companions. The fact that the setting is completely new drags it down a bit, but overall it's a good story.

>>376334304
This. The initial getting over the hurdle of new lore made it at first abit of a slog. But when you have all the lore down in your head it's pretty great

>>376315668
I suppose if you HAVE to play something more recent for some bizarre reason it will do. Your better off playing the classics if you can get past dated graphics though. POE is enjoyable though.

>>376334304
>Pillars of Eternity has a pretty fun story
lots of words could describe PoE's story
fun isn't one of them

>>376315668
Nah, it's mediocre.

>>376326947
Easy you judged the game solely upon its release and when it disappointed you, you developed a bias against it and completely ignored all patches and content releases as a result. Its ignorance but at least you got past it. Just remember that games can improve if the developers give a shit about their product after release.

>>376332752
Pretty balanced now, All the patches they've released have fixed alot of problems.

>>376315668
It's okay, but I'd say you should play Baldur's Gate 2 first if you haven't already.

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>>376334732
I had fun with it
Go peddle your prattle somewhere else clown.

>>376334304
>setting is completely new
Changing some words around does not make the setting 'new'

>They're not kobolds, they're xaurips
>They're not vampires, they're fampyrs
>They're not halflings, they're pieces of shit whose name I can't remember right now

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>>376323584
Real human bean. No party is complete without him. I love his greasy laugh when he crit kills someone.

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>>376332752
M A X I M U M
B A L A N C E

>>376335108
OP asked if the game was good, I'm just here to offer a balanced opinion as I once lurked these threads and decided to buy because of replies like yours. It was a waste of money even at sale, would refund if I could.

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>>376332951
It got me real bad, too. I thought I was gonna be able to help him into fighting for his culture, and then I see that flashback and realize that his culture is dead and everyone moved on from it. Excellent personal quest.

>>376335183
Oh, please. Yes, there are elements they took from other fantasy settings, which they obviously had to do because they were pitching in for a Baldur's Gate spiritual successor, but there's also plenty of stuff that is pretty unique to Pillars' setting. All of the soul + reincarnation + animancy stuff, for starters.

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>>376335450
>His banter with people when they get knocked out
>Everyone else's banter when he gets knocked out

after i did the lord and his necromancer level i liked the game a lot better

>>376334304
honestly the setting was one of my favourite things about the game. never been a fan of forgotten realms and i felt like pillars had enough new ideas to make it a breath of fresh air.

>>376315668
Not perfect but definitely good. Among all the crowd funded "cRPGs are back baby" titles it's the only one that actually delivered a decent experience.

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>tfw keep restarting and making new builds

I got like 10 different characters going on, only one of them has managed to finish WM1 and Act2.

>>376335108
>waaaah I had fun therefore it must be fun for everyone

What a retard.

>>376337631
Who? You mean Raedric?

>>376337810
Same. I think they did a good job balancing the classic Forgotten Realm style stuff like dragons and magic with the more unique stuff that makes it more distinct.

>>376338152
I put 80 hours in making characters before getting to act 2.

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>>376338152
You haven't even finished it once? You're missing on the best content.

>>376316436
I really liked it. I felt like a different world's Fallout 3.

>>376341757
*it felt like a different world's Fallout 3.

And since OCD compels me to correct my typo, I'll also say that I've played through it three times, twice on the standard and once on the re-release, and greatly enjoyed all three.

>>376335092
I can't get into it, I don't know why, I love RPGs and D&D, and I mostly play RPGs that are older and more archaic than BG, and I tried 1 and 2, vanilla and modded, Original and Enhanced, and just can't get into it.
What can I do?

>>376335740
Get out of here, RPG Codex

>>376335108

Sauce on that picture?

>>376341114
Not even once.

>unimaginative story and generic setting
>"balanced classes" aka everything feels the same
>can't go five steps without combat
>terribly optimized
>have to buy the DLC ..I mean EXPANSION because we are true hardcore gamers, to make it better (it's ok when Obsidian does it)

as a backer I was extremely disappointed but all the tryhards that want to show they are "real rpg fans" love it apparently

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>>376315668
>dialogue of eternity
>classic RPG

>>376342915
>"balanced classes" aka everything feels the same
If there's one thing I hate in RPGs it's this.
I mean it just kills all the fun, and insults the player's intelligence.

>>376323584
>>376335450
>>376337113
Durance is /r9k/ incarnate
Physically, emotionally, mentally
>b-bitches and whores
Literally

>>376343057
>dialogue of eternity
I laughed

>>376343129
That makes him even better. I'm glad we got him instead of that female at OP's pic

>>376342485
Getting into Baldur's Gate 2 takes a while. For me it usually happens after I'm done with the Unseeing Eye quest.

>>376342485
I don't get the love for the BG series either. I think they're really over rated and nostalgia plays a big part in why they're so beloved.

>>376343350
When does this happen? Right now I'm doing class quests for thieves' guild. But I was thinking of starting again with a Bard, are they a viable choice? Anything special about them?

>>376343543
This too, I personally hate all the NPCs in the game, especially Minsc, and there's nothing new in it, nothing special.

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>Really want to try out the old original cRPGs
>Can't for the life of me get myself to accept the fact that people at any point of time found real time with pause superior to either fully real time combat or fully turn based

>>376343691
The Unseeing Eye is one of the larger quests in Athkatla. There's a cult located in the sewers underneath the temple district. I'm not sure who actually gives you the quest, it may be one of the priests but it could also be the Paladin Keldorn whom you meet in the sewers.

When it comes to viable choices you can pretty much play any kind of character since in BG2 you'll have a whole party of capable warriors at your disposal and the recruitable NPCs are all pretty good, so even if your main character sucks you'll still easily be able to beat the game. You should probably read up on BG2 builds to see whether playing a bard (and what kind of kit) is your cup of tea. In particular because you need to plan ahead which spells to pick.

>>376344107
I like RtwP a lot more than plain real time, but for the fuck sake, why do people prefer it to turn based? Why did PoE do it? I even liked Wasteland 2's combat more than PoE's.

>>376344236
because full turn based would have scared away the "I am such a nerd" casual crowd which was the real target audience of this game

>>376342915
>unimaginative story and generic setting
It's as imaginative as the average RPG
>"balanced classes" aka everything feels the same
Untrue. The classes are balanced, but they play very distinctively.
>can't go five steps without combat
This is a legitimate problem, yes. Way too many trash mobs.
>terribly optimized
Aside from the bad loading times, it worked fine for me.
>have to buy the DLC ..I mean EXPANSION because we are true hardcore gamers, to make it better (it's ok when Obsidian does it)
Wow, an expansion improves on the base game? Fucking criminal. How do they get away with it?

>>376344193
Okay, thanks. I've read the manual twice, but this time I'll take notes.
But why is there so many thief archetype NPCs?

>>376344658
Rather than referring just to manuals you should consult some character building guides. There are plenty on the internet.

>But why is there so many thief archetype NPCs?
Probably because every party needs some kind of thief and they wanted to provide a bit of variety.

>>376344371
Is there a poll for PoE II for a combat system?

>>376344758
>Rather than referring just to manuals you should consult some character building guides.
I usually don't do this, but I'll check it out.
>because every party needs some kind of thief
Also, true, but this kills me, in almost every CRPG, actually, because I usually make a rogue, myself.

>>376315668

Divinity:OS is pretty good. However not sure if it classifies as 'classic RPG'.

>>376315668
Not bad but overrated.

Shadowrun was more fun to play. PoE a boring shit, gameplay-wise

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>>376315668
Coming from someone who's just getting into CRPGs: Yes, but you might get tired of it halfway through.

My biggest problem is the combat.

Unlike most CRPGs with D&D systems or inspired by such, your skills are more often than not reusable between encounters, instead of being "X times per rest". And the game is balanced around that as well.

That sounds really cool and all, but 30 hours or so in, if not before, you'll realize how annoying combat is. Because if you don't pause and coordinate your entire party's abilities in sync every single time, you'll most likely get completely fucked if you're not playing on anything lower than normal.

I do love tactics in my RPGs, but if I need to do that for every single encounter, then fights that should last 10 seconds will now last about a minute each. Meaning that I loathe everytime I find a new dungeon, since I know what's coming.

In the end, the game ends up feeling like an MMO, where you need to spam your best cooldown abilities on every fight. Maybe you like that, idk, but I certainly didn't and it ended up making me drop the game about 40 hours in.

On the upside, it made me appreciate the simplicity of the combat in Baldur's Gate.

>>376344801
>>376344371
>>376344236
>>376344107
Are there even any new CRPGs that use GOOD Turn based combat?
I want something modern to play, but everything seems like crap, or is 3D, which I loathe.

>>376337113

>Well, at least I get to die alongside of my friends. And Durance.

>>376345004
>Also, true, but this kills me, in almost every CRPG, actually, because I usually make a rogue, myself.
You can do so of course. There are lots of other good NPCs in the game who aren't rogues.

What is the most tactical CRPG?

>>376315668
relentless walls of text and a shit combat system

but some people like that shit

>>376345340
Define good turn based combat
With your limitations you don't exactly get to choose from a great deal of games, especially not if you have specific preferences for turn based combat

>>376345340
>Are there even any new CRPGs that use GOOD Turn based combat?
Divinity: Original Sin
Knights of the Chalice

And if you don't mind just playing with a single character opposed to a party:
Underrail
The Age of Decadence

>>376345420
I liked it in PS:T
I didn't like it in PoE

There must be more to these games than shit combat and relentless walls of text

>>376332313
I wish so hard someone would make an RPG called Planet Escape: Tournament. I imagine it would be like Daikatana mixed with Space Jam.

>>376344107
100% this tbqh famalam

>>376345898
I for one want to play Unreal Torment. Prisoner 849 crashlands in Sigil aboard the Vortex Rikers.

>>376335450
Aloth (female) : I THINK WE LOST THE ANGRY ONE

>>376345597
PS:T had a great setting and writing and the combat could be easily avoided until the final part of the game

>>376345468
Honestly, something that doesn't feel like a chore. For example I hated the combat in Fallout, HoMM or Banner Saga. I liked it in Wasteland 1, ToEE, or D:OS.
Basically I want something that isn't easy, but isn't absolutely hard, something that feels like a game of chess and is innovative.
>>376345520
I will check out Knight of the Chalice, the graphics are horrid, but I'm clinging to anything I can find right now.

>>376346223
>PS:T had a great setting and writing
Setting, yes, writing, it depends. The characters and story are perfect, but the writing is REALLY bad, full of purple prose, if you usually read literature it's just a slap across the face.

Is there an RPG where charisma / socials skills really matter? I want something where combat isn't as important as talking to people.
Closest thing to this were Fallouts and Troika games.

>>376346746
Obviously PST

>>376346347
In that case I guess there's always Original Sin 2 once it's fully released. Based on the current early access/beta the combat is shaping up to be margnially different than in the original game, but the core gameplay is still the same.

>>376346746
Age of decadence

>>376346586
>it's deep therefore it's bad
Kek, but seriously this meme that the games writing is bad that's emerged recently is pathetic.

>>376346746
Pillars of Eternity
Fallout New Vegas
KotOR2

>>376346971
>KOTOR 2
>combat not important

What, most of the game is combat

>>376315668
Its solid. Not the best game ever made or anything, but its a good experience.

>>376336759
>All of the soul + reincarnation + animancy stuff, for starters

That's the shit part. The setting isn't just Grimdark it's Shitdark. All souls are becoming more fractured and less strong over time, essentially the world is heading towards souless entrophy.

Kinda depressing.

Did like the twist though.

>>376347085
the charisma stat is extremely important however.
if you dont want combat in an RPG just play a visual novel

>>376346971
>FNV
Not really, sure you can avoid some encounters but the vast majority of the locations are filled to the brim with enemies.

>>376346867
Oh, yes, D:OS II is much better than the first one, Too bad the Alpha is so short.

>>376347225
see >>376347208

>>376347350
You're implying I stated that the combat was bad, which is wrong. I was just saying that FNV has unavoidable encounters and the poster I was replying to stated that you can avoid a lot of them.

>>376346746
Most definitely The Age of Decadence, which took the whole "non-combat" thing further than any other game in the genre. It's not without its flaws of course, but it's definitely an interesting experiment that any genre enthusiast should take a look at.

>>376346971
>Pillars of Eternity

You spend roughly 95% of the game killing things. It's anything but a social skill game.

>>376346926
That's not the point. Actually I wish more games were more like this, but the problem is that the writing REALLY is bad, not as bad as Numenera's, but it's bad. As I said, if you like to read novels (and if you understand what you really read), you can pinpoint the problems.

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>>376347208
Are there actually visual novels where you can level stats to pass stat-checks? I'd play it

>>376344236
Can you imagine fighting all those trash mobs with a turn based system?

>>376347613
If the game had a turn based combat system it would most likely also have different encounters balanced around the combat mode

>>376347208
>if you dont want combat in an RPG just play a visual novel
Not him but I don't think this is a valid argument.

VNs completely lack the RPG element in the form of stats and more often than not also in the form of choice. Plenty of VNs offer some choice, but the choice is usually more about setting the rails of the plot, within that plot the main character of the VN is still mostly autonomous, he talks on his own, solves things on his own, etc.; in an RPG the choice is much more intricate at smaller scale, e.g. every time your character talks to someone you get a dialogue choice menu, most quests have multiple solutions, ... and all of that happens under the premise of your character's stats and skills which may or may not allow him to perform a certain action.

VN are a somewhat related genre but they are still fairly different and by no means a substitute.

>>376346867
>Age of decadence
Really, I didn't notice this, I mean I played the game and combat just put me off (too hard for me)
>>376346971
New Vegas - yes
KotOR - yes, but still, a lot of combat
PoE- give me an example

>>376347572
There are hundreds of 'choose your own adventure' novels out there in the world. You could probably download alot of them on pdf and play right now.

>>376347751
>VNs completely lack the RPG element in the form of stats and more often than not also in the form of choice.
well that's not my fault is it?

I agree that RPGs need to expand a lot on the "pacifist"/dialogue quest solving kind of things, but I don't think there's any RPG that does what you ask.

>>376347449
Does the game really use the SPECIAL?

>>376347613
yes, I played Fallout 1 and 2

>>376347778
>PoE- give me an example
Like a good % of the quests can be solved without violence with a skill check. Every "raid boss" in the game can be defeated without a fight.

>>376347613
That's why any decent turn-based game works with a much lower amount of combat. Only real time and RtwP likes to drown you in trash mobs numbering in the thousands.

>>376347778
>Really, I didn't notice this, I mean I played the game and combat just put me off (too hard for me)
How didn't you notice? Have you tried playing a merchant? You can beat the whole game without a single fight.

When it comes to combat it's more that the game is a bit unintuitive about some things. e.g. you should always focus on a single weapon and a single means of defence. Alchemy is also your friend and alchemy 4 allows you to craft a potent poison which will make fights a lot easier. If you play a combat-focussed build (rather than a combat/talker hybrid) you should be able to beat the game with relative ease.

>>376347557
I am a brainlet that can't even read a half page's worth of text without forgetting what I'm reading in the first place
How is the game's supposedly pretentiously ''''deep'''' writing different from an actual novel? What's the main difference separating the two? Not the guy you're replying to btw

play expeditions conquistador and vikings that just came out

>>376347868
As I said: you're talking to two different people.

I didn't ask for anything, I merely said that VNs are no substitute for RPGs. Personally, I don't think every RPG needs a pacifist route. In some RPGs it fits, in others it does not.

>>376347870
It uses something akin to it. The stats are defined at the beginning of the game and generally won't change like in the original Fallout games. They will also heavily influence what your character can and can't do.

>>376331686
>anyone play the android versions of Baldur's Gate or KOTOR
Baldur's Gate is pretty good. Almost all of the EE content is being sold separately, so you can just ignore it. I finished it twice, and had zero problems.

KOTOR worked like shit on my tablet, but I had only 1gb RAM on it.

>>376348016
It's just a meme that /v/ spouts whenever Planescape is brought up.

>>376344236
>why do people prefer it to turn based?
Because it's faster. A disadvantage with turn based is that it can end up being way too drawn out for what you want to do (Try attacking a settlement in the first Fallout)

>Why did PoE do it?
Because that's how BG did it and they were aiming to be a spiritual successor to those games. Plus, to vary it up a bit. Every other RPG that comes out nowadays is turn based.

I prefer turn based in general too, though.

I have 500h in PoE because i just love the combat

For great modern feeling crpgs that are easy to play but still have depth and great story:
shadowrun dragonfall is amazing
shadowrun hong kong is great
expedition conquistador is great
expedition vikings is great

>>376348016
Difference is how it's laid down, how it's represented. It's works like a good propaganda, subconsciously, if it's written very well it will get in your mind and let your senses wonder, if it's bad, well, you'll either try to understand it and fail, lie how you understand it perfectly well, or you'll just stop reading it. The good prose flows naturally, bad prose is awkward.
But you can get accustomed to all of this, so you don't need to beat yourself down. Just read more, watch more films, play more games, experience more, and try to understand, I think that's the best way.

PoE would be a great game if only they had thought to find a writer that isn't shit and actually make a story and world that isn't completely forgettable garbage

>>376348643
True, but the turn based in Fallout was shit. If it's done well, then, goddamn, you have a perfect combat game.

>>376346746
New Torment. 19 hours in and I had to fight only 5 or 6 times so far.

>>376344801
Nah. There wasn't a poll for the first one either. You're probably confusing it with the new Torment game.

>>376345420
>relentless walls of text
Not true, unless you go around asking for descriptions everywhere.

>shit combat system
It's pretty good.

>>376349532
>You're probably confusing it with the new Torment game.
That's exactly why I'm asking. I wish there was.

>>376331686
>planetscape
>no PlanetEscape: Tournament
step it up, kouhai

>>376315668
If you do get it, play with a max of 4 characters. The combat became 100% better without six different characters slowing everything down to an absolute crawl.

>>376318818
shadow runs are all a dumbed down tablet rpg series with minimal character building or choices. People acknowledge the first is shit, but praise the rest even though theyre the same thing because they decided to add a waifu second time around.

>>376349990
Planet Escape Tournament! Felicia days favorite rpg!

>>376315668
>Is Pillars of Eternity any good?

It's good but too flawed for me to really enjoy. I think the sequel will be fantastic though.

>>376315668
No.
Divinity: Original Sin, which came out right before, targeting the same genre, funded through Kickstarter as well, but developed by a small indie team rather than a "superstar" past his prime claiming to re-do what he did 20 years ago, is better at being that sort of game.

>>376350823
she said it on ign so it must be true!

>>376316051
Since New Vegas is horse shit, that doesn't mean much. It's almost as bad as Fallout 4.

>>376351076
Don't you have game to work on, Todd

>>376335740
this game fucking ruined the game.
He broke my triple crown solo game by completely changing the rules, destroying hundreds of hours of work.

>>376351076
Todd pls

>>376341114
what kind of faggot finishes RPGs?
I always stop right before the final act because completing every little thing takes too much time.

>>376347194
>essentially the world is heading towards souless entrophy
And that makes it "shitdark"? I have bad news for you, my man. Google "Heat death of the universe"

>>376347572
Try the "Choice of" games. Choice of Broadsides, for example.

>>376348709
Glad I'm not the only one. Everyone shits on the combat of PoE, but I like it.

>>376351850
>Try the "Choice of" games.

You can't be serious.

>>376348954
I haven't forgotten it

>>376351014
Larian is a "small indie team"?

Really?

>>376351014
DOS is awful

only reddit and weebs can stand the writing

>>376353464
They are larger than Piranha Bytes, so while indie, they are most definitely not small. Although that's at least partially due to D:OS's success.

>>376353745
D:OS is the best game of the past 20 years.
You just have plebeian taste.

>>376350507
It also becomes much harder.

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>>376353745
>WEST rpg
>weeb

>>376351014
Divinity: Original Sin has a funner combat system, but Pillars of Eternity blows it the fuck out in every other department. Pillars of Eternity is the better RPG.

>>376352747
Why not?

>>376354609
Not really, I found it easier in fact.

>>376315668
You'd make a better use of your time playing BG or Planescape Torment, but PoE is okay I guess.

>>376354831
How does it become easier? It becomes way easier to get your shit wrecked.

>>376354807
Because with a few exceptions they are absolutely shit tier. Not to mention that in most of them stats are just numbers you gain, they are checked very rarely.

And in recent years their shit became probably more obnoxious with the xir zhe whatever faggotry than any video game out there.

>>376355503
Oh, I agree. I didn't say they were good. I was just saying that that's an example of a CYOA that has stats.

>>376315668
>Pillars of Eternity
how is that classic??

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You can't go wrong with Pillars. It's perfectly competent.

>>376355767
It's the replica of a classic.

>>376357402
You mean a Chinese bootleg?

Pretty good honestly. I only recently started to get into crpgs, with tyranny being my first and pillars my second. Tyranny is a bit above average but pillars is much better imo.

I've been playing as a cipher who uses blunderbusses and warhammers and I've been having fun. Haven't played in a while, but that's because I'm right at the point of no return so I'm just doing side quests to reach the level cap, which gets a little boring after a while.

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The sequel should be coming out in less than a year now.

>>376358679
>Not doing every single side quest possible

>>376318818
It's way better than fucking Pillars of Eternity, that's for sure.

>>376359921
No, it isn't. I could see an argument for Dragonfall, though.

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>>376315668
The game sucks fucking ass and the only ones liking it are even admitting to never having played a cRPG before itt. Almost the entire thread is basically neo-/v/, it's pathetic really.

>>376350751
dragonfall has one of the best atmospheres, stories and pacing of any rpg

>>376360005
Pillars of Eternity is really fucking bad and you should get some taste.

>>376315668
It's wordy and dull but there are far worse faults to have.

>>376360058
My first RPG was Heroes Of The Lance and I still really liked Pillars of Eternity and would rate it a 8/10. What now, faggot?

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>>376357563
Nope. A replica. Like the replica of an old west revolver. Something made with new technology to look like a thing from the past. Beautiful and fun to play with. But still, it can't hope to achieve the glory the real thing had, back in its day.

>>376360151
It's a good game, must suck to have shit taste.

>>376360226
Then you have no standards. Pillars of Eternity has some of the worst combat I've ever seen in an RPG and guess what, you'll be killing stuff like it's fucking Diablo or something. The writing is a mess, everything is just a huge exposition dump and everything interesting doesn't actually happen in the game but people tell you about it.

The game basically took everything that was bad and outdated from older RPGs and nothing of the good stuff.

Someone help me out

I want to play one of these isometric RPGs but dunno where to start, and I'm also not sure I fully understand how they play

Are they essentially isometric New Vegas, or are they closer to Torchlight? Torchlight 2 is really the only game like this I've played and I didnt really like it. I want an RPG with skill checks and shit. Is pillars a good one to start with? Its £10 on G2A right now.

>>376360330
The game is a joke. It's on Bethesda levels of incompetence in terms of combat and writing.

>>376360601
Torchlight 2 is more of a Diablo-like. Pillars of Eternity is a real ass RPG. The combat is something out of an RTS.

>>376360465
PoE's combat is pretty damn good, it's one of the best RTwP systems. The writing is competent, even if spotty at parts.

>>376360825
The joke here is that Pillars of Eternity is actually closer to Diablo than a "real ass RPG", seeing as all you do is clear almost every map of countless brainless enemies with your overpowered character/party. Quite pathetic.

>>376360954
>The writing is competent, even if spotty at parts.

Your character doesn't even have any motivation for the things he does in the story.

>>376359230
Properly will desu, just gets boring after a bit. I'll come back to it at some point. Could be tomorrow, could be next week but I'll get around to it. Already finished the white march questline and all of the companions quests, just a few side quests, a decent amount of bounties and other tasks to finish.

>>376360993
Legitimate fault with the game: Too many trash mobs
Autistic faggot with bad taste: lel all you do is clear maps

>>376360954
>PoE's combat is pretty damn good, it's one of the best RTwP systems.
>I have played BG2 once, I'm an expert on RPG combat systems

It's laughably easy to abuse and cheese your way through the game. There's no challenge at all for every somewhat competent build except for 1-2 fights in the entire game.

>>376361148
Yeah sometimes you even do "quests" with "choices" while your party members tell you about far more interesting things in the lore that you never actually witness in the game.

>>376361084
The fuck are you talking about? You gain the ability to see souls and read past lives said souls have, which is slowly turning you insane. You try to track down a man who you know from a previous life and the plot develops from there.

>>376361148
Both mean the same thing. There is no need to be politically correct about it. You can get exposition dumps in Diablo as well, but that doesn't make it anything more than just a trash mob killing simulator.

>>376361084
yes he does
his past life is coming back to him and if he doesn't settle things he'll go insane, as maelwad showcases

>>376361205
Laughing my fucking ass off. If ease to cheese is what determines a bad combat system, then BG 2 is officially shit tier and a million times worse than PoE.

>>376315668
If you play it, play it with the DLC: I played through it once and it was okay, but now that I'd like to see the DLC I can't bring myself to play again.

>>376361307
You can take those quotation marks off. They ain't doing anything there.

Pillars of Eternity has plenty of quests and choices, as well as consequences.

>>376361568
You don't need to replay the whole game. Just go to the save file before you jump into the hole, go to your keep and enter White March. You can level scale the content up if you want to be challenged.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=9867

Neo-/v/ has never been able to refute these reviews except calling RPG Codex "autistic" because they actually care about their hobby and what they play.

>>376361812
We don't need to. RPG Codex has a grand total of 3 reviews made after that one that address it. They refuted themselves on their own.

>>376361484
Except for a whole 2 builds that only shine after a few hours it's not possible to simply left click on all the enemies in BG2 and still win. This is perfectly possible with almost all builds in PoE no matter the difficulty setting.

>>376315668
As good as a classic RPGs can be.

>>376361947
I'd love to see you beat PotD solo by just spamming left clicking, my man. I am pretty confident you don't have the skill or mental faculties to accomplish that.

>>376361926
And the reviews were nowhere near as objective and instead fell into "yeah but what about this game that did that too!" terrority of arguments.

>>376362107
Those arguments are perfectly valid. Nitpicking doesn't magically make the good aspects of a game disappear.

>>376362072
Already done it, Shadows are the only enemies you have to watch out for in the early game, everything else is just sending your tank in, enemy will never ever go for any of the other characters, win.

>>376362072
If someone did it with a level fucking 1 character, I'm pretty sure anon would manage too.

>>376362207
>enemy will never ever go for any of the other characters
t. someone who has never played pillars

They go after the squishier targets.

>>376362187
>combat, writing, dungeon- and quest design is basically complete shit
>nitpicking

Haha, okay. Guess you're one of those guys that actually think good music can salvage a game on its own.

>>376362227
Nah. "That anon" ain't good enough. He'd get massacred trying.

>>376362282
Not him but no, they actually don't. That's the point of having a tank. I could lock down 5-6 enemies at once with Eder before reaching midgame.

>>376362325
Music was pretty forgettable though. Main theme is nice, and its remix that plays on Burial Isle is pretty nice too, but the rest is utterly fucking generic and unremarkable.

>>376362325
Combat and quest design are great, writing is competent, dungeons are a mixed sort.

>lmao but vampires have silly names xD
wow wtf i hate poes writing now! Bravo, "Darth Roxor"

>>376362389
>get proven wrong
>n-no you're retarded!

>>376362520
I wasn't proven wrong at all. I am well aware that there are skilled people that have beaten Pillars of Eternity solo ironman.

But that anon is talking out of his ass, it's not just "spamming left click", you don't play that way and make it through POTD, let alone solo. I'd love to see him try.

>>376362507
Name one memorable combat encounter. Bonus points if you had to do something different in that fight than in all the others before that. Early game shadows are not allowed (but I bet you'll cry about it either way).

>>376361084
>Your character doesn't even have any motivation.

What? If you don't find the guy that caused you to become a watcher through his ritual you stumbled upon, you'll go fucking insane due to your past life's starting to resurface. That's a pretty good motivation to find him.

>>376362640
A good barbarian build literally does nothing else but left clicking and it's good enough for potd.

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>>376362676
Well, that was easy.

>>376362640
That wasn't really skill. The guy who started the level 1 solo PotD challenge had basically one strategy, kite everything to death. He took down Thaos by running circles around him for something like two hours. That's exactly what "spamming left click" is.

>>376361395
>>376361424
>>376362709
Why does our character think that the guy he's chasing is the culprit? Why do we never see any signs of his insanity? Why do we hear about Watchers elsewhere who are completely fine?

>>376362769
Wow, one build where you can get away with it
But it's ok for BG 2 to have a few builds you can get away with that just make the game ridiculously easy.

>>376362779
>goes on to name an encounter that happens in the fucking second expansion of the game

>>376362890
see >>376361947

>>376362880
>Why does our character think that the guy he's chasing is the culprit?
Because it's the only guy who's shown up in his dreams who talks to him? Did you play the game? Thaos even recognizes you.

>Why do we never see any signs of his insanity?
Because people who played MotB hated the spirit-hunger mechanic so they just decided to say "fuck it" and not have an insanity mechanic that would force players to do X every time Y happened.

>Why do we hear about Watchers elsewhere who are completely fine?
I don't recall any, but maybe because they came to terms and settled their past lives?

>>376362880
>Why does our character think that the guy he's chasing is the culprit?
You remember him from your past life. And it's not about him being the culprit. It's about finding the truth.

>Why do we never see any signs of his insanity?
Are you fucking kidding me? There are a million times where you get weird visions. There are also plenty of sequences where the characters mention you going insane. Plus those nightmares screens you get when you go to sleep.

>Why do we hear about Watchers elsewhere who are completely fine?
It's the combination of watcher + awakened. The other watcher that had that combo is Maerwald.

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

>>376363052
Thanks for proving my point? That was the exact post I was referring to.

>You can use a few builds in BG 2 that make it laughably easy but those don't count
>WTF IF YOU SPEC BARBARIAN JUST RIGHT YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH SPAMMING LEFT CLICK SO POE IS SHIT

PoE main flaw is it isnt all up to the standard of some parts of the game

The last boss fight has great writing, interaction with every choice and companion quest, input from every party member, a combat mechanic with a unique thing, and a great build up and aftermath

If the whole game was on the level of quality of just that section of the game it would be GOAT

It gives me hope for the sequel

>>376363068
>>376363072
>Because it's the only guy who's shown up in his dreams who talks to him? Did you play the game? Thaos even recognizes you.
>You remember him from your past life. And it's not about him being the culprit. It's about finding the truth.

The first one happens way later in the game and the other one isn't an explanation as to why our character chases this guy.

>>376362860
Now how about you show yourself doing that? Kite Thaos with a level 1 character and win.

>>376363175
Read the post again bud.

>>376363403
It is, though. You recognize someone from a past life and you're after him so that you can settle your past and put an end to your insanity.

>>376363270
>The last boss fight has great writing

>Why do you oppose me?
>Actually, I agree with you.
>*Thaos seems distracted, what you just said doesn't seem to have registered.*
>[Fight!]

Great writing indeed.

>neo-/v/ talking about PoE like it rivals Fallout or Arcanum or something

It's a mediocre game through and through, it's not great but it isn't utter shit either, but anyone hyping it up like the revival of cRPGs is a fucking clown.

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>>376315668
Underrail, Shadowrun: Dragonfall and Divinity: Original Sin are much, much better "modern" cRPGs that actually offer something more than just badly imitating the classics.

>>376363680
PoE is a dozen times better than Arcanum, which is trash.

>>376363829
Wrong on Divinity: Original Sin.

>>376363429
Lolno, I'm not nearly autistic enough to do it. I have no intent to ever touch PoE again with a ten foot pole, let alone suffer its braindead combat again. Look up the guy if you are skeptical, he posted his save files and all.

>>376363680
Literally no one in this thread said that it rivals Fallout or Arcanum. It's a very competent modern RPG.

>>376363948
The skill interactivity alone makes it a more worthwhile game. It actually is more than just a gimmick.

>>376363882
Yeah, I can imagine that a PoE fanboy would say something like that.

>>376364063
And I named 3 other modern RPGs that are much, much more competent, making PoE look very bland and lazy.

>>376363964
Pillars of Eternity combat isn't brainless. You're full of shit and it's obvious.

>>376364156
https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/84857-noobers-revenge-a-level-1-solo-challenge/

Obsidian even tweeted about it when he was done.

>>376364146
Underrail is a great dungeon crawler and Shadowrun: Dragonfall is really well written. I agree that those games are in the same tier of quality as Pillars of Eternity. All three are very good games.

As for D:OS, it's a colossal waste of a good combat system in an otherwise dull and poorly written RPG.

>>376364258
The average player can't do that. You can't do that. This is like saying Ninja Gaiden is brainless in how easy it is and then linking this fucking video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrODauyuMgY

>>376362974
white march is where obsidian actually made combat interesting and the encounters were terrific. which is what gives me hope for deadfire. normal pillars was too focused on trying to be baldur's gate yet combat wasn't rewarding so it was pretty pointless

>>376364416
Keep believing that if that makes you feel better.

PoE was my first RPG unless you count Pokemon and Skyrim. I backed it for shits and giggles only, because I couldn't give less of a fuck about the genre. And yet it never once challenged me on my first and only playthrough, even though I played it on PotD. The only way to make it borderline challenging was to simply refuse to use camping supplies and fight waves of shit with almost no health left.

>>376364817
You're a really poor liar.

>>376321240
Wait, so THIS is what those fucking soul shits were? Goddamn, that explains a lot.

>>376363403
Because when the guy does his whole ritual at the machine that makes you a watcher, he's the only one who survives. I think the others there get petrified. I think the other watcher at the stronghold also says about finding him. (Can't remember as it's been a while.)

>>376364947
One of the loading screens hints tells you, but they should have made it even more obvious. I regret having read a full one of those.

>>376364920
You are deluded. But who am I to make a fanboy face reality.

>>376365152
They really should have had a pop up to tell you what they are after you first read one, instead of just a loading screen hint you might not see for a while. I thought it was a neat idea at first, until I saw how many of them there are, and how most were godlikes, a supposedly rare race.

>>376364416
>comparing Ninja Gaiden to Pillars of Eternity in terms of skill ceiling

How delusional can you even be.

>>376365773
That's not the crux of the argument

>>376365773
The point is that even the hardest game ever can be made to look easy by someone who knows what they're doing. It's not a statement that is intended to paint Pillars of Eternity in the exact same ballpark as Ninja Gaiden, you fucking moron.

I have decided that wasteland 2 is good, so I'll be shilling it in all RPG threads from now on

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>"what if classsic RPG combat isn't a complete horse's ass"

>>376366521
And you cocksucker would just ignore anyone who beats the game without any thought or skill involved. Kiting is not a skill. Putting up with mindboggingly tedious gameplay might be though. But it's not a skill I'd like to have.

>>376318818
>>376319576

They're super short and shallow. There's not a whole lot there for you if you are at all interested in the mechanics and long term character building of RPGs, and there's significantly less roleplaying than in PoE or even Tranny (seriously, don't buy Tyranny, it sucks ass)

>>376368153
> Kiting is not a skill
You're retarded

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>>376367321

197 hours spent in this game.

If you like CRPG's go for it, just don't expect the second coming of christ.

>>376368493
You can't seriously believe this. Nigger, I get that you feel the need to fight to the death in order to protect the honor of your favorite game, but let's not go full retard. If you are serious then I believe I'm done here.

>>376331686
I finished KOTOR on my phone because I was bored at work. The port is really good. Baldur's Gate is almost a 1:1 port, meaning that stuff is annoying to click on if you have a small screen. Hell, even on a phablet it's kind of annoying.

>>376316051

so it's bad?

>>376370197
No

>>376369004
This

I always thought it was kind of funny just how polarizing this game is. Even RPG Codex can't decide if the game is good or bad.

>they decided to break engagement in 3.0 and make it even more confusing than before
For what purpose