>Azeroth will never go back to being the huge, unmapped, mysterious

>all those great voice actors Blizzard will never work with again because they offered them lower rates for WoW than they did for War3

Even if War4 ends up being made, I won't care for it solely for this reason.

Warcraft has never recovered from the direction WC3 took it in. It's been fifteen fucking years, it's time to get over it

What sort of cash shop could they implement in Warcraft 4?

>>376312435
Does Cam Clarke still voice male belfs?

>>376312906
Skins! I want like... every single unit to ride on a mount. But it shouldn't affect their movement speed, because thats p2w

>>376312435
Don't worry, Metzen will dub every character.

>>376312906
>play entire game as your hero from world of warcraft!

>>376312906
>cash shop
How about a b2p game, faggot?

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>>376311956
must have been some thread yesterday because I had these exact same thoughts yesterday the unknown endless woods with their hidden glades looking like a mix between the maps we've been given and those 3d race selection screens I loved it

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>>376311956
I really appreciated WoW for how much effort they put in to the World.

Of course the plotlines themselves were pretty bad. But the lore and the aesthetics (music, iconic visuals) are kind of great.

Warcraft IIII when?

>>376311956
>Warcraft 4 is announced
>Endless speculations, data mining, fake articles and feminist blogs demanding equal representations in the game
>Blizzard can't cope with the modern day 'gaming' culture and fires the old writers and devs from warcraft 3 and 2.
>Leech soulless devs from Wow, Diablo 3 and StarCraft 2 team instead
>Any cohesive element is lost as it tries to pander to every demographic under the sun
>Eventually leak a photo of a creep camp not even taken from the engine but just static assets placed in the unreal engine
>Everyone gets the wrong idea and thinks Warcraft 4 will be a return to the good old rts days with amazing graphics
>Heroes of The Storm dev team takes over when Blizzard realize they are creatively bankrupt and have to put the other devs back to milk their dying cash cows
>Shit out some garbage pseudo-moba with tranny characters everywhere called Warcraft 4 with no regard to any past lore
Screencap this, 2023 is the day

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>You will never roleplay a faction in Azeroth Wars again.

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>>376317946
>post-cata stormwind

>>376318129
Well, I wanted to post something recognizable.

>>376317832
>IIII

You fucking idiot.

>>376318129
Hahaha WoW looks like garbage, what the hell is that gay orc, kek real men play AO.

>>376316716
It's obviously going to be both, like WoW and Overwatch are.

>playing Azeroth Wars cataclysm when Lordearon and Kalimdor the Aftermath and AWLR Exist
remind me why /wii/ has never played wc3 grand strats together
the steam group only plays meme minigfame maps

>>376317832
>>>376311956 (OP)
>I really appreciated WoW for how much effort they put in to the World.
>Of course the plotlines themselves were pretty bad

The game originally was about exploring the world of Watcraft™ and the storylines were an excuse to do just that.
When the game stopped being about that is when I gave up on it.

>>376311956
>tfw mysterious continent on the other side of Azeroth that was never explored
>every ship sent never came back

>>376318308
>hownew.ru

>>376317946
At least it's better than the capital city of Skyrim

Cancelling LotC was the beginning of the end. Shoving it into a book and removing one of the most important moments of the franchise, the transformation of the orcs from literal murderrape machines into actual characters from the games was exactly the thing that opened the floodgates for rampant favoritism, dinduism and little to no consistency

>>376318698
Elder Scrolls buildings are actual buildings, though.

>>376318767
How can they be actual buildings if they are indestructible immovable objects?

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>>376317832
>IIII

>>376318767
So are houses in your neighborhood, yet you insist on living below ground in your mother's basement collecting piss bottles like Pokemon so I guess you never checked huh?

> tfw there will never be a platform for custom games like WC3 / BW.
> tfw even if there was normies attention spans couldn't last long enough for top tier customs to be made before jumping to next FotM game.

I crunched the numbers and i've pumped an estimated over 14-16 thousand hours into Warcraft 3 and Brood War over my life.

Nothing will ever be that good.

>>376318597
>it was Pandaria XD

>>376318860
How can they that be an actual building if the game-engine doesn't even account for the molecular features of the building?

Destruction isn't very relevant for an RPG unless there's a pre-scripted quest for it.

>>376318767
they are fucking pocket dimensions that are 3 times bigger inside

>>376316537
That's actually a pretty good idea. Import your wow character as a hero into warcraft 4. Maybe the heroes will have talents in the War4 campaign, instead of just skills.

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>>376318090
Holy shit that's neat

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I've been replaying warcraft 1 lately. Kind of weird how the human's capital is called Stonewind on the map, but Stormwind in game.

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>>376317832
>IIII

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Warcraft IIIIIIIX Remaster when?

>>376319373
Stonewind was destroyed and they rebuilt it as Stormwind

>>376317946
>>376318090

more please

>>376319603
Where did you get that from? I don't remember it from the game. Was it a rewrite after the fact?

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The 'world' in WoW isn't entirely canon either, oddly enough. It's a really really scaled-down version of the world for gameplay reasons.

Stormwind and Goldshire are, in the lore, about a day's ride apart, with various smaller villages and farmsteads all around. Likewise, the entire world isn't actually split into geographic and climate isolated puzzle-piece zones with mountain ranges everywhere blocking everything, that's just to facilitate MMO leveling mechanics.

An actual, geographically correct lore-canon representation of Azeroth would probably be way too large to fit into a game at this point.

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>>376320172
Another odd thing to think about- the movie's version of Stormwind is a lot closer to representing the size and scale of the city than any of the games.

>>376319102
>Maybe the heroes will have talents in the War4 campaign
Heroes were fucking stupid and so are you for taking it even further.

>>376320172

We have sandbox games like space engine giving us so much room to play it would take literally hundreds of years in real time to fully explore it at base game speeds.

We need to think bigger. That's the Azeroth I want to play. Its the only way to revive the MMO genre. It needs to be bigger, much bigger.

with appropriate survival mechanics and travel means of course. If there is a problem, like long travel time on foot, you should be able to solve it. i.e Get a horse etc

>>dude few postsabove me, cant quote on kindle If you want to see more WoW in WC3 stuff just go to PokemonHaralds channel and watch one of his lordaeron or kalimdor vids

>>376320556
But all the cool kids want to play themeparks. The size of the world would only get in the way of their raids and their instances.

MMOs were a mistake.

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>>376320172
>An actual, geographically correct lore-canon representation of Azeroth would probably be way too large to fit into a game at this point.

wrong

>>376319519
what's the point? all it needs is an hd resolution fix, the game looks alright aside from the stretched screen

>>376320494
No your stupid!!1

>>376321394
>Star Citizen
>coming out
pick one.

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>>376321394

>>376321394
lmao scam citizen is not an example of anything
never mind the fact that procedural environments look like plastic soulless lifeless shit
one of the nice things of vanilla wow was that it was a brand new handcrafted world to discover, of course it's boring now but it was great at that time and they couldn't have gotten the same effect with procedural shit

>>376321228
they were the financial sound decision at the time.
though it has left the IP barren, gutted and molested to an nonredeemable extent.

>>376321394
>Literally a "con" seal on the corner
You can't make this shit up.

>>376311956

Really, that's the worst of your worries?

My main worry is that when Blizzard make Warcraft 4, and they will because they will rape their IPs to no end for money, the story and characters will somehow be even lazier and worse than Starcraft 2

>>376321710
>implying WC4 won't be a complete retcon of everything post-WC3

One can hope, right?

>>376321784
>implying they shouldn't retcon WC3

>>376320172
Eh there are engines out there like outerra that simulate the size of the earth on a 1:1 scale

>>376322431
Actually you're right.
The whole Lich King arch is what fucked over the story as a whole.

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>>376322431
>>376322828
>Were so drunk on Blizzard hate that people are trying to push anti-WC3 sentiments now

>>376319869
literally the reason for the Defias Brotherhood

>>376311956

Don't worry, we still have the map editor to make fanfiction.

>>376312906
Heroes, something like generals in CoH2 where certain units are locked behind a general that goes for few bucks and some small upgrades for mulriplayer like +3% deamge for unit just like in CoH2

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NIGGERS, WHY ARE WE NOT PLAYING LTA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw0-REumwK0

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>>376311956
i thought it was neat that this bear model and animals was used for WoW and lasted over a decade.

>>376323257
WoW fags will scream autism at every opportunity

>>376311956

WHY ARE THEY REMASTERING STARCRAFT 1 INSTEAD OF WARCRAFT 3?

FUCK BLIZZARD
WHY

>>376318003
This is utterly retarded and will not happen, why are you asking me to screenshot this?

>>376323773
>make terrible custom campaign involving thrall getting corrupted and the horde becoming controlled by the burning legion again
>get cease and desist from blizzard for stealing ideas

>>376320439
Imagine how annoying that city would be to navigate without flying, though.

>>376324047

kek

>>376324015
esports

>>376324018
Because it will happen

>>376323912
Ive made like 10 threads about this the past few years here and on 8/v/ but never seem to gain enough traction, despite it seeming like something that would be good for playing in House. Anyone else mind telling me how I git gud at playing vidya with /v/?

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I have no faith in Blizzard and Warcraft anymore. WoW makes more money in 3 months than Warcraft IV would make in its lifetime, unless they added an ingame shop. It's very easy to see why Blizzard never made Warcraft IV.

>>376323676
I don't see any mentions of Stonewind on the defias brotherhood wiki-page. Maybe you're confusing things?

>>376324529
They can make Warcraft IV to set up 10 years of lore for WoW 2 like Warcraft 3 did for WoW.

>>376324015
Because SC actually needs remastering, WC3 still looks and controls great and have support for HD resolutions.

>>376324797
idk how much the lore as been raped by nuwow, but the whole defias quest line back in the day was about how the defias were a brotherhood of stonemasons and i think someone refused to pay them after hey rebuilt stormwind so they turned into criminals. I didn't really read the quest logs that much.
but this is why defias miners drop that +3 stamina stonemason's cloak

>>376325087
I like your version better.

>>376311956
>There will never be a WCIV with a even more non-linear campaign than SCII, with even more gimmicks and options, and being free from WoW's idiocy
>There will never be WCII's large number of units combined with WCIII's heroes
>Heroes will never have an expanded inventory that would be like that in Spellforce or Heroes of Annihilated Empires
>There will never be a Blood-Elf/Naga Alliance Faction
>Night Elves will never be badass again
>Orcs will never stop being dindus and accept that they did many things wrong and try to make up for everything
>There will never be any sub-factions for existing factions
>They will never tone down the stupid art direction back to WCIII levels
>The old VAs will never come back
>All is lost

>>376326248
All Warcraft 4 can be now is a spin-off RTS with a side story ripped from a WoW expansion, WoW is the main Warcraft franchise now.

>>376326248
The non linearity and pointless upgrades ruin RTS campaigns. Instead of having a set of tools that you give a player and making them play around it you have to balance in such a way that no build is underpowered, hence the only way you can make the gameplay is just mish-mashing of unit blobs ala SC2. Good RTS can make a fun and difficult mission with only a small fraction of the tech tree (See: Stronghold).

>>376312435
How can they be paid less? Ithought VA union took care of it.

>>376325087
To be precise, the nobles refused to pay them and the Defias went apeshit over it until Varian didn't break the royal piggy-bank...that is also until a whole lot of misunderstandings happened and they turned criminal. And their leader was hellbent on razing Stormwind.

>>376326448
With what WoW has become, there will never be an RTS. They'd have to retcon WoW into an alternative timeline because the 100 tetratons of bullshit that accumulated over time makes it utterly impossible to make a new RTS in this franchise.

>>376326479
Dunno. Stronghold is different here from WarCraft and StarCraft in many ways.

If there are some things I like about SCII is that it had mechanically fun campaign missions (despite the rage-inducing plots) and equally fun upgrades and units available in the campaign.

post maps you're working on

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>>376327864

>>376312435
>I play RTS games for the voice actors
I weep for your generation of faggots and C-grade-celebrity worshippers..

>>376328219

You're an idiot

>>376327064
>Stronghold is different here from WarCraft and StarCraft in many ways.
Not really, most people on /v/ just built castles on easy mode but playing its campaigns or missions on hard or very hard makes it into one of the best RTS out there. Most missions are limited by time (either do something in X, or survive for X, with some other forms of missions that usually have ways to keep things difficult, and a few easy missions) but the main thing that makes it so good is the amount of options and strategies you can do with limited tech.

When playing a map, the things you have to worry a lot about are. after figuring out the layout of the entire map and what to do with it

>Positioning of every single building
>Income of multiple types of resources
>Keepping track of several statistics
>Building and microing buildings
>Finding out what the best defensive positions are
>While fighting, keep doing the above but also move units around as needed (eg spearman to walls, tank units to broken walls,

And do all this in what are usually very limited amounts of time, so when you fail you have many many ways to look back on your mistakes and find out what to focus on, what the problem was and so on. Starting to make weapons on time in a certain mission while barely scraping by on food or whatever is often times necessary. The flaws can be obvious strategy issues, figuring out what tactic to trade out for what, and of course doing it on time. Because of the systems of the game, including things like terrain, it feels great to play.

In most other RTS' you generally just put some workers to work, make an army so the focus is on:

cont

>>376326747
>Will you be reprising your role as Arthas in the upcoming Warcraft expansion (Wrath of the Lich King)?
>Unfortunately, no. After I completed my role as Arthas, Blizzard Ent. came back to me to reprise the role but for an embarrassingly low amount of money. The more money they made off of WOW, the less they wanted to pay their actors. So on the advise of my agent, I declined.

Source: some dude on MMO Champion.

>>376328398
>but playing its campaigns or missions on hard or very hard makes it into one of the best RTS out there
Now I'm reminded of The Pig and his FUCKING CASTLE. The Second Siege where you finally get rid of him.

I still didn't finish that mission.

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>>376317832
>IIII

>>376328398

>Do the initial set of Macro tactics
>Scout/Get info
>Move units
>Micro units
>Make more units

Its a very simple loop, so when you fail its usually because you lost a battle where your army was just a little too small to snowball the rest of the map, or because you did not manage to react to a single attack on time. Its very sad that the original stronghold is the only game to get this right. Sure you can extend the way these works, however Stronghold has them to a good degree as well, and it has a lot of base mechanics which allow all of these things to function in many different ways (eg, archers get more range when firing from higher areas, they have different patters of precision based on location to and from which they fire on). There's also the fact that building space is far more important in stronghold than any other RTS that I've played.
>>376328557
I know that feel lad, I've restarted that mission around 30 times. Shame that the last mission of the game sucked, as it makes it out as being an epic battle but the size of the siege is smaller than the first pig invasion.

The missions between those two, however, are BRUTAL. One is a TINY TINY map where you fight against massive forces of the wolf, and another is a very open area, where you have a limited safe area, and constant MASSIVE amounts of the wolfs units invading very quickly. Its a mission you can only just barely beat.

WE NEVER PAID ANY HEED TO THE ANCIENT PROPHECIES...

>>376325087
pretty much

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>>376317832
>IIII

>>376318936
>>376319380
>>376328636
>>376329343
>being baited by this
I want summer to leave

>>376329427
>t'was merely an act!
every time

>>376329427
Don,t worry, there,s still 104 days of summer vacation left.

>>376323773
>implying they would be able to recreate the greatness of wc3 world editor
>implying that even if they did they wouldn't rape it with nu-blizzard TOS to never risk having another DotA slip their grasps

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>>376328084
man I fucking love WC3's aesthetic
by the way I remember this channel of some Gregor level player who just shit's on all my past failures and thrives where you are supposed to barely survive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKN20ZKVKss&t=

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>Need a light?

>>376330313
>.gif

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>My blade is six inches

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>>376318129

>orc

>>376329735
>man I fucking love WC3's aesthetic
Count me in. WCIII's artstyle was good. Like on the same level as Darksiders. WoW made it a mockery.

>>376330467
TASTUH MAH BLADE

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>>376330775
>Horde

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GIVE UP THE AEGIS
OR DIE

>>376331014
>They never gave more spotlight to the Alliance
>Horde took everything due to creators pet status
>ORCS ESPECIALLY

Horde was ruined by WoW and Alliance never got some time in the limelight.

>>376328449
What. Wasn't David Hayter being paid more and more until it reached millions per game? Isn't there some law for it?

>>376323932
WoW was built on the same engine Warcraft 3 used.

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>>376331210

>>376331445
Each metal gear had more lines. He was the main character.

Blizzard is known to treat their VAs well, so i call bullshit on "embarrassingly low amount".

He obviously just wanted alot more than before because of how successful wow was.

>>376319519
this meme is discontinued iirc