>Spy >iconic character >can make huge impact to the

>>376300372
spy is almost as worthless in his own game as sombra is in hers
in nearly every situation, a competent sniper is more useful than a competent spy

>>376300372
Im really glad that Sombra isn't as lethal as Spy is in TF2. It's really annoying having to spy check and look behind your back so often

Sombra is viable short of master, even diamond she can be.

>>376300592
T. Bronze shitter

Because Overwatch is a shit game

>>376300372
There is NOTHING balanced about the Spy but he's broken in a way that works with the characters around him.
Sombra would be a pretty good character if she was in any other game.

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>>376300372
>what went wrong?
>TF2 being nothing but furries, bronies, and traders.

>>376300372
>more than half of the roster barely get picked in a tournament.

That's true for any game with a large roster. It's true for fighting games and other mobas like LoL or Dota.

Yeah you can play whatever character you want, but in a competitive environment, some characters are just better than others, and others are just complete shit or situational at best. That's just the curse of the meta.

Only 57 of the 134 champions available were used in the League of Legends World Championship

http://lol.gamepedia.com/2016_World_Championship/Champion_Statistics

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>play Spy
>disguise/stealth
>take out turret
>backstab people

>play Sombra
>stealth
>try to pick people off with her peashooter
>they turn around and rekt her
>try to destroy Torb's turret
>turret turn around and rekt her
>try to destroy Symm teleporter/shield generator
>get microwaved by Symm's turret

wew
e
w.

change the weapon and everything is ok

>>376300372
https://soundcloud.com/funkepills/anything-spy-can-do-sniper-does-better

>>376300926
https://www.thescoreesports.com/news/9580

almost all the heroes in dota 2 got played during the last international tournament. i think during the kiev major 99 heroes were picked and only 14 weren't.

league and overwatch are a fucking mess

There are no bad characters. Only bad players.

>>376301307
https://www.dotabuff.com/esports/leagues/4664/heroes

You should look at the distribution if you think that means anything.

>>376300372
Sombra feels like a character that was cut because she wasn't good enough, but brought back because people wanted more content

Sombra & Orisa are fucking rejects, the rest of the cast is solid though

>>376300445
He's still better than Sombra.

>>376300445
Competent sniper relies on competent team, competent spy relies on himself, there are plenty of situations where spy is just flat out better.
But of course 2fort baby is going to shout how snipers are as good.

Gentalmen

Sombra is basically a harrass character like Tracer except with way worse weapons and she can only teleport once every 15 seconds.

Place a teleporter. Use 15 seconds to try and pick out an enemy or hack a Bastion or something. Usually fail. Teleport back. Wait 4 seconds. Place teleporter. Run back to battle. Try and pick out another enemy. Fail. Teleport back.

You just spend so much time away from what everyone else is doing. The 'rhythm' of stealth, hack, shoot, teleport every 20 seconds or so feels ok, but it's hard to be anything but useless to your actual team.

>>376300926
This. In photo finish the extra fraction of a fraction of advantage can be the win.

In regular games Sombra can dismantle a team. Genji and Tracer can completely turn the tide of a game in good hands, and a good Sombra can make them miserable as fuck.

a hero like Spy in a game like OW would create such an incredible balance and community upset that it would straight up be removed, or reworked so heavily that it basically becomes Sombra.

so it works out in the end

>>376302602
"Apagando las luces"
That's the call to enter and wreck everyone, but barely happens with an uncoordinated team.

Spy has a huge bulge.

>>376301841
You can tell they intentionally gimped her because they're afraid of people potentially abusing her stealth. She can't hack while stealthed, she has to wait a full second after decloaking to do anything, her gun's spread is basically the entire screen, her hack gets interrupted if you fart near her. I'd rather not have a stealth character at all than a hamstrung one.

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>>376303171
Sombra's is bigger.

>>376300445
>spy is almost as worthless in his own game as sombra is in hers
that's a dumb meme. Spy was used heaps of times during the recent 6s ESEA final. Can you say the same for Sombra?

>>376300372
>be blizzard
>want to create FPS moba clone
>"i know ill just slap heroes in the game with abilities and change the stats instead of adding actual strategic value"
>people say overwatch is "balanced"

meanwhile at tf2 and valve
>game has been balanced for fucking years
>everything is tied together properly with actual gameplay mechanics
>"hmm so what can we get the community to make this time? more hats? k"

doesn't help that tf2 has a shitload of mods and some form of community. overwatch is just CoD tier shit.

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>>376303949
pretty much

As a guy that has 3.5k hours of TF2 and around 100 of Overwatch I think Spy's unlocks and recent changes to his speed are somewhat obnoxious but necessary to him being more viable in more situations than before. I hate seeing Spies go fast as Scouts chain stabbing or butterknifing with the Amby and DR.

Sombra on the other hand requires way more coordinating and teamwork than most of the cast with much less reward for the kind of effort you'd do with her. Hacking Tanks feels satisfying but them being interrupted along with having invisibility interrupted by just about anything is extremely irritating. Why can't she at least shimmer or stand out a bit like Spy when he gets hit during cloak? Such a useless skill 90% of the time. Her damage would be tolerable if she had less spread.

>>376302020
A team where every single player knows what they're doing doesn't need to worry about spies. Only people who have very little situational awareness will consistently get killed by them.
On the other hand, the only way to deal with another sniper quickly and effectively is with another sniper. Again, this is assuming every player on every team is actually good at the game

>>376300445

That's the thing, spy actually has a clear cut use. Sombra just fucks around with the enemy team when you could play any other hero and just kill them instead of toying with them. On paper she's absolutely OP, but in practice she has no use

her kit is ok and can be helpful to the team sometimes, but as it is she is too clunky to use, too much effort for less results,a few small tweaks to her abilities and less recoil for smg\different gun and she'll be solid as others.

>>376300926
>That's true for any game with a large roster. It's true for fighting games and other mobas like LoL or Dota.
don't know anything about LoL but for the past 2 years in every major tournament they've picked 100+ out of the 110ish characters in the game

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>>376300445

Sombra needs a slight damage buff. Just 1 more damage per bullet would be huge. She wouldn't be obnoxiously strong but a deadly flanker and could contribute more in team fights. And it would bring back McCree as a valuable anti flank.

Sombra isn't even awful right now, she is so close to being great but rests at underwhelming

>>376300925
the furries and bronies got bored and left a long time ago, it's just traders, bots, and f2p now

>>376304975
Her problems are with her abilities.
>try hacking someone
>tin can brushes against her shin
>hack is reset
There needs to be a damage threshold for her hacking and invisibility, especially since the game promotes spamming your unlimited ammo guns.

>>376304975
Not damage buff, but spread reduction. She can already kill any 200hp hero with a full magazine, but it takes considerable effort to make it possible due to the spread.

>>376305212
Maybe that instead, I have noticed that sometimes I track perfectly and they barely take damage, and then I aim sloppily later and they die from a ton of random headshots. At least it feels good to get kills as her as opposed to heroes like soldier.

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>>376305202
I'd say something about hacking only taking 2 seconds, but I've still had it interrupted an astounding number of times. It looks like no big deal on paper but holy fuck can it still be difficult to actually hack someone when a wild battle is taking place.

>>376305398
just save your ult for the big team fight

hold onto it tighter than a mercy trying to get a 5-man rez with 2-3 dead teammates

Spah creeping round here!

>>376305457
I usually save it for when a little Genji nigger ults.
He can't do a massive amount of damage with his sword when his dash is disabled.

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>Sombra was one of the earliest characters sketched out but they could never actually figure out what to do with her
>was originally going to be more like current Genji, while Genji was then a more offensive Zenyatta

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>>376300372
>Sombra
>forgettable design
> most people already forgot that she existed

seems like she's pretty good at her job.

>>376300372

I agree with most except the submachine gun part. The only submachine gun in TF2 is the snipers vanilla secondary unless they added a new one in the years since I've played the game, which sucks because its my favorite type of weapon.

>>376305202
>There needs to be a damage threshold
That's an actually good idea for both, her hack and camo.

>>376300445
>spy is almost as worthless in his own game as sombra is in hers
git gud

>>376304948
>literall pub shitters

>>376305690
>git gud xD
Thats the problem. Spy works maybe once on a good player, then hes trash for the rest of the game if you're not a shitter.

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>>376305765
>I have literally no fucking idea about anything ever
Hold on i don't have enough laughingwhores.jpg for this

>>376305561
Concept looks pretty cool, has a some kind of cyberpunk flavour to it. Unfortunately, final version of Sombra looks like shit. And Orisa's design is trash too. What happened to blizzard artists?

>>376305979
they left like six years ago man

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>>376305979
Blizzard artists have been trash since WoW, senpai.

At some point they made her a mexican techwizard instead of a ninja, but at that same point they felt she was too similar looking to Ana and then went full retard into current Sombra.

Because they went from a "just switch" RPS mentality to a "no hero can have unfair advantage, every hero should have counterplay" because of hero mainers

>>376306143
>hacking the turret

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>>376304975
>>376305212
I agree, her damage definitely needs some kind of buff, be it extra hurt or less spread.

She seems like she's meant to flank and ambush. Her personal teleport-thingy is good for withdrawing (and getting out of tight situations in general), but her gun just doesn't do enough damage to do anything worthwhile to the opposing team.
Not to mention that both her invisibility and hacking fail whenever a stray bullets hits her. And there are plenty of those.

>>376305931
>literall pub (((pro))) shitters

they are even worse than pubers since they are playing professionally for money and due that it's even more embarassing to see.

>>376300372
>shit pick rate, most people already forgot that she existed
>why can't Blizz design good heroes?
These contradict each other mr salt. We all know Sombra will win. Have you forgotten Scout vs Tracer already?

>>376300651
Sombra used to be a main due to quick ults you idiot
>t-t. Bronze
Holy shit this is pathetic

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>>376306208
I wanna cum on those hands

>>376300372
>just a guy in a suit with a robbery mask
>le generic cyberpunk girl
>one of these is considered ''iconic''
>people unironically care about the character design and plot and lore of multiplayer shooters
Team Fortress 2 and Overwatch are setting a very dangerous precedent with the potential of harming FPS games far more than Battlefield and COD.
How do we cut off this cancer?

It's pretty obvious that the TF2 cast is way better than the OW cast.

All Overwatch has got going for itself with the characters is waifus and "diversity"

>>376306143
So, you unironically think that just by giving her a hoodie and white hair she automatically looks good?
And no, Blizzard has never had a single decent artist, and WoW is the biggest pile of fantasy creative bankrupcy in this entire industry along with TES and Dragon Age.

>play zen
>sombra on other team
>only goes for you

God damn it

>>376307031
The fact that people care about the 'cast' of a multiplayer videogame shows how fucking cancerous both games are.
Not to mention that they tend to form autismal fanbases who get obsessed over the ebin as fug quips of wackiness that these alleged 'characters' spout.

>>376307087
>So, you unironically think that just by giving her a hoodie and white hair she automatically looks good?

Please point out anywhere my post even remotely indicates this.

>>376307021
I think the worst part of both games is the muh cartoony style.
It looks fucking terrible and someone actually looked at the concept art of TF2 and OW and unironically approved this.
Of course, they pandered hard to the reddit audience so they forced maymays over them and this cancer is everywhere now.

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>>376307108
>having trouble with Sombra as Zen.
Pop her in the face with your balls

>>376307419
Didn't say i had trouble with sombra.

>>376300372
sombras hot though
i want to cum inside her

>>376307287
TF2 actually has a good artstyle (post-impressionism) but it got ruined over the years with maps that conflicted the artstyle and hats (especially unusuals) that were just off. Check out the old maps and take off the hats and you'll see what I mean

Overwatch is just copy of nu-Disney animation artstyle, just shitty 'we used to be cool' art.

>>376307560
They are both personality-less artstyles that didn't even try.
TF2 just pissed in an ocean of shit with the marketplace, and OW has been doing so since back when it was Project Titan.

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>>376307546
>hot
>mexican

go back to tumblr

>>376307598
>TF2 just pissed in an ocean of shit with the marketplace

No shit, thats what I meant

Again, look at the original view of the game and the gameplay in 2007, its a lot better than today

>>376307598
What exactly does personality mean to you?

>>376306356
>t. 10000 hours literally unbackstabbed

>>376300372
Spy wins because lag compensation allows him to facestab sombra

Why is Sombra so shit?
>nearly useless invisibility
>good teleporter
>shit gun with terrible spread, boring
>a mostly useless hack that people only use to disable Rein shield
>a somewhat useful x-ray
What in the fuck is this shit?
The only reason anyone plays her is because Blizzard had no idea what to do with her, they just threw a bunch of retarded ideas together, and you get this bloated character with too many abilities.

Instead of thinking how they can improve the core concept of the hero and make her good, they just go ''uh...umm... let's just give her another ability, maybe like an ability to make healthpacks respawn faster''.
What the fuck does she even do? Who the fuck knows? She just has a bunch of disjointed badly implemented abilities.
>Here, have a bunch of shit, try and figure it out, moron.

>>376308390

>>a mostly useless hack that people only use to disable Rein shield

With co-ordination thats the difference between a team fight going your way or not.

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Reminder that the top Sombra player in the world says that if she got any kind of a damage buff she'd be OP.

>>376308646
It's not the damage that would make her OP. If you could deactive invisibility to be able to instantly shoot, she would already be OP as fuck.

>>376301038
Fuck beat me to it.

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What if they just gave Sombras gun a large damage bonus if you shot somebody from behind? Like double damage if the enemy isn't looking in your direction. Would that fix her?

>>376309172
gunstab??
I like it, but 2x damage sound op as fuck.

>>376309172
>What if they just gave Sombras gun a large damage bonus if you shot somebody from behind?
Then she'd be horribly OP

>>376309172
>make a character have 400dps

>>376309172
They should get rid of the gun entirely and buff the rest of her kid.
She's fucking boring. Nothing unique about her character.

She should be more like Mercy - not supposed to be a damage dealer, using a gun should be a last resort.
If she was this annoying cunt who goes behind enemy lines and hacks everyone, while getting away with invisibility and teleportation, it would be a cool unique addition to the game.

Blizzard is trying balance her abilities and her gun. Because she has too many abilities she is always going to be underwhelming.
They can't buff her gun or she is going to be OP. They can't buff her abilities or she is going to be OP.
Get rid of the gun and buff the shit out of her abilities.

>>376309172
I'd give her ability to hack instantly if she is in stealth. That's the only way she can hack Torb's turret, like she was supposed to.

>ITT: Platshitters try to balance a character they don't understand

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>>376309484
That's actually sounds like a good idea.

>>376309484
>hey lets make her completely useless by taking her gun so she will be walking creep and NOBODY will use her ever
>brillant idea when we will patch it?

spy's entire gimmick is that he doesn't 1v1

The more you expect him, the less effective he is

>Spy
>Totally moot because everyone just fires on teammates
>Shit character that doesn't mesh with the rest of the game, clearly indicative of the development hell

>Sombra
>T.Racer for scrubs
>Novel ult
>Mostly playable

>>376309484
The idea of a character without any kind of weapon damage dealing ability sounds pretty interesting.

But it doesn't sound like Sombra.

>>376309686
There is just something wrong if you can't hack turrets, the only job I expect here to do, aside from hacking tanks.
Just let me hack Turrents while in Stealth and I'll be happy.

>>376309686
This is the kind of retarded inside the box thinking that is keeping Overwatch shit.
You're so dumb you can't even imagine how a character could have its gun taken away.

Obviously if she didn't have a weapon the rest of her abilities would have to be buffed to the point where she is viable.

If Medic and Mercy didn't exist and I suggested a hero that only heals, and doesn't do much or any damage, you'd go ''WOOOW, you want a useless character????''

You're a cunt.
She could be easily OP without a gun. The possibilities are infinite. You can make it so that she hacks instantly, you can make it so that she can hack 6 people at the same time, you can buff her hack to 15 seconds, you can give her permanent invisibility, you give her 1000hp, you can give her a button that just makes her instantly win the game.
You think a hero needs a gun to be usable, you dumb cunt?

>>376309850
Sombra doesn't sound like anything. From what I understand her concept was that she hacks things, and that is supposed to be her selling point, that instead of being some kind of a damage dealer or healer, she disables enemy abilities.
They've failed. Sombra is just a harasser like Tracer.

>>376309845
>Novel ult
what did he mean by this?

>>376300372
I disagree on all your points.

Her design is subjective, the submachine gun is not much more boring than a revolver.

Have you ever gone against a good Sombra in competitive? It's a fucking nightmare, they hack the right people, neutering heroes like Genji, Tracer and Soldier.

I'm glad she has a shit pick rate, because when I see a Sombra on the enemy team, more often than not the ensuing game is going to be a pain in my ass.

>>376300372
biased as always /v/ never change.

>>376302020
Wrong.
A competent sniper relies on himself AND a competent team. A spy relies on the opposite team being incompetent.

>>376309982
You must be fucking most retarded person on planet if you think character without a gun do kill people in FPS game all about getting kills and cap objectives will be played by players.

How would you balance that you smartass? Hack has 100% uptime? well then she is dead since she is walking creep without damage,

>She could be easily OP without a gun. The possibilities are infinite. You can make it so that she hacks instantly, you can make it so that she can hack 6 people at the same time, you can buff her hack to 15 seconds, you can give her permanent invisibility, you give her 1000hp, you can give her a button that just makes her instantly win the game.

retarded ideas, you can't balance character like that unless you want to kill balance, she was never supposed no not carry a gun in the first place, she isn't meant to be a tank with 1k hp and zero dmg,
>you can give her a button that just makes her instantly win the game.

good luck with that people will be start leaving game after trash balance like this, also i just wonder how will you build up ulti charge if you can't deal dmg. Unless you want afk for 5min while enemy will just win round and game ;)

I'm glad you doesn't work at Blizzard you would kill game in a month.

>>376310321
Are you black?

Spy will always be shit because Friendly fire is turned off and that's been there since beta. 'I shoot yo hur hur oh ur not spai'

>>376309484
Jesus christ kill yourself dude. It's for this EXACT reason mercy is shit, boring to play and boring to fight with her only good point being the rez. MERCY is bad game design in general and a black stains in the nearly white shirt that is Overwatch and is a character that should be reworked ENTIRELY.

>>376310195
A competant spy will kill you without you being able to do anything. If anything he shuts out the skill level part of the game making your death a fact. Inb4 muh trickstabs, a good spy doesn't need trickstabs and will use his revolver once detected.

>>376309982
holy fuck kill yourself
Medic can do a shit ton of damage and healing at the same time and has better weapons than mercy has
he can defend himself compared to her
i'm glad /v/ shitter like you don't have any word on the game development because the game would be much more unbalanced than it is actually

you can't compare Medic with mercy at all, it's not the same game, there's no ability in tf2, there's no passive, no ulti, no genji or tracer.

>>376310583
Then don't play her, you dumb fuck.
Mercy is one of the top played characters. Clearly people find her to be one of the most fun characters, even if she doesn't see as much play in the competitive scene.

Blizzard stole her design from TF2 because people liked it so much.
You whining about how it's not fun to play, and you wanting to ruin the game by taking away these unique fun to play characters is your problem.

The game would be much more fun if Somba wasn't a Tracer clone and her damage was as close to non-existent as possible.
Because of morons like you Sombra is always going to be a mediocre harasser with her inaccurate peashooter and crappy clunky hack, instead of a solid character that accomplishes an important role that no other character can.

>>376309982
>>376309484
I cannot express how happy I am to know that you are here anon, and not attempting to actually balance real video games.

Everything you have said is completely, pants on head, shittingly retarded.

>>376310970
Great argument, brainlet.
Maybe Rein should get a gun too, some inaccurate machine gun. It would make the game better.

>>376303949
the best part is that tf2 doesn't even rely on cooldowns for balance.

>>376300372
>Play American Football
>Herp derp It's always the same heroes (Quarterback, wide reciever, etc.)
>My friend play football like an idiot and he gets scores sometimes too
>Why don't play pros like idiots? I mean it "can" works sometimes. Right?
Geez, I wonder why pros don't pick certain heroes.
t. I am in silver and complain about meta-picks.

>>376309172
the gun damage is fucking fine, what they need to do is stop being retarded and give it an appropriate accuracy

>>376300372
the only thing about spy is that he's so bland that he becomes iconic in a game of bland characters with diffirent personalities.
Overwatch on the other hand is that all characters are so incredibly diffirent that they become memorable

>>376309484
Sombra should just be silencer and thats it.

Game needs a silence hero especially if it's an ability centered game.


Sombra should be split into two heroes. and invis spy and a support hero that requires teammates to setup a silence.

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Someone find that teleporter. BOOP

>>376309291
Tell that to the Backburner.

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>>376309850
What if her hacking ability becomes some kind of beam ala Symmetra dealing moderate damage but the longer you stay connected, the harder your UI get hit until your whole screen is nothing but noise?

>>376311391
>no consistancy
>horrible dialogue and characters
>game design of testing it in PTR until it somewhat works
>cut and paste skill sets from different games and different heroes

It's extremely superficial.
Sure it's "different" but nothing well done.

>>376310583
>a character that should be reworked ENTIRELY
They just need to nerf healing beam and power beam by a bit, but combine the two of them on L mouse button, while holding the R mouse button automatically whips out your gun and shoots as long as you hold it

>>376311501
>pyro has invis
>backburner is a gun
>pyro can teleport

you should have said backscatter

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>>376310917
>mercy
>fun to play
have fun clicking left click once and ocasionally damage boost your teammate and staying behind the whole game doing nothing ;') she's the top played characters because she's ridiculously easy to play, her skill floor and ceilings is unexistant, it's basically touching.
git gud at sombra, only thing she need is a little spread reduction but nothing else.
kys otherwise ;)

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Overwatch makes me realise how fucking good the character design of TF2 is
Someone with no idea what TF2 is can look at this image and get a clear cut idea of what every character does
Overwatch's character design is a fucking mess

>everyones ready to dive the point
>we kill their mercy first good going!
>rein ults the rest of the team.
>genji wipes the remaining with ult.
>mercy comes back and resurrects everyone.
>They all pops their ults during their invincibility period and we all wipe and lose the game. Because mercy pressed Q.
its getting old and annoying fast, there no skill behind this character.

I was a spy main back in the days (a good one who actually stealh and blend into the ennemy team, not a shitty spy who use dead ringer/cloak a dagger ) and i agree 100% with op.

a little off topic but i didn't play TF2 since the "skins update" , i would like to restart, is it worth it?

>>376311917
it's still the same game.

theres been some balance tweaks though.
some interesting buffs not too many nerfs either.
Oh and the community is still active.

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>>376311857
I dunno man.
I mean, sure if you see a red cross is pretty obvious that whoever is wearing a doctor robe has to be some sort of healer.
Same with Mercy, for some reason she is easily recognized as a healer.
Sadly, can't say the same for all OW characters.

>>376311857
Character design in videogames must be a joke if they think caricatures in a mediocre cartoony art style is good.
Then again, this industry praises MGS and Deus Ex as writing masterpieces.

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>>376309850
Believe it or not, I think the concept of an Abathur-like hero is interesting.
You know Heroes of the Storm? Shit game. But the one guy, Abathur, is fairly fun to play...

Basically, Abathur has, by Overwatch standards, 50HP. That's it. He has no offensive abilities and his melee hits like a wet paper towel. So what's the point of playing Abathur?
From anywhere on the map, you can attach yourself to another player. While riding them, you can shoot spikes in a circle, shoot stronger spikes and place a shield on the player and potentially heal them.

What if Sombra worked like Abathur, but for enemy players? What if she could hack her enemy, and then ride along with them in third person, perhaps doing things such as disabling a specific ability of theirs? Slowing down their movement speed? And suppose the Abathur attachment had its own Ultimate charging while riding on them?
The obvious idea is that using a negative ability would charge it faster. Personally, I'd love the hack ult to be an explosion of the device, doing a broad area damage not quite as powerful as the riptire.

You can't see when you're bugged, but you gain a device on your back with a blinking purple light. Enemy players can shoot it off their friend, but only if they STAND THE FUCK STILL. This encourages teams to actually work together, and get a friend to de-bug you... Or you could bug a complete idiot who never stays still (Genji) and never understands why he couldn't deflect that Bastion.

I just made Sombra fuckin' fun to play.

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Best ship

>>376312232
I'll never understand how shippers work.

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>>376312214
>"omg why did my ice block go on cooldown i didnt even use it"
>genji has left the game
fund it

>>376312205
back to /tv/ with you, faggot

>>376312214
That sounds really boring for a shooter.

>>376312558
Sombra is already boring.

>>376312670
Running around, shooting, zapping away, running back in hacking, zapping away is pretty enjoyable for me.

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>>376311391
>bland = not a forced mishmash of character traits, lack of meme gimmicks and is a WHITE male

>Hey, how about an old swedish amputee dwarf engineer with an eyepatch instead?
BRILLIANT BLIZZARD!! BRAVO! DIVERSE AND MEMORABLE CHARACTERS

>>376312732
Then you are a rare breed.

>>376312736
None are memorable nor good designs.
They are market tested trash with le quips, all built to pander to the reddit audience.
TF2 and OW represent what's wrong with videogames.

>>376311391
I don't remember a single line of dialogue from overwatch.

except maybe high noon.
but that's not overwatch that's the fucking memes.

>>376309675
>Rank has merit as to the skill level of the player
I generally agree that most of the people in this thread don't "understand" Sombra, but if you honestly think the ranking system has any merits as to the skill level of the player, you are an idiot.

I've played games with everyone ranging from Silver to Masters and I can absolutely assure you that the skill gap is nowhere as big as you people like to make out it is. Everyone at every rank still makes the same constant fuckups regardless of whether they are in silver or masters.

>>376312442
>B--B-BUT MUH MCU-TIER CHARACTERS ARE WRITING MASTERPIECES, DUDE I'M SO WACKY LMAO
This industry is a fucking joke.

>>376312846
What I wonder is what's the goddamn point of dialogue or character design in multiplayer games.
Why waste so much money on that crap, to have autismos talk about some non-existant lore?
Who gives a shit?

>>376313005

To give the game life? TF2 may be on it's last legs now, but the game lasted damn near a decade for multiple reasons.

>>376313005
because I like to hear banter when I play.
it's not even lore it's just back and forth dialogue likely to improve the domination system.

>>376312916
>A medium focusing on gameplay has worse characters than a medium solely focusing on story, visuals and characters.

Hmmmm.... really makes you think.

>>376313005
>non-existant lore?

Overwatch is leftover assets from Project Titan, remember.
They were making an MMO and that involves a bunch of lore.

The fanbase clearly digs it, being so character based was part of the draw.

>>376313060
>To give the game life?
What does this mean exactly?

>the game lasted damn near a decade for multiple reasons.
If a multiplayer game is incapable of staying alive for anything but gameplay, then I don't know what to say aside from the fact that it's sad.

>>376313104
>because I like to hear banter when I play
Why?
What's the point?

>>376313179
>being so character based was part of the draw.
If a MP game doesn't attract with it's gameplay alone it's a failure.

>>376313104
>characters only sometimes have lines directed to one another and it they do, it's usually the same repeated line or two
>""""""""banter""""""""

>>376313324
>>because I like to hear banter when I play
>Why?
>What's the point?

anon you're entering dangerous levels of faggotry here.
The point is Fun, listening to funny jokes is fun.

>>376313139
The problem is that you twats unironically consider 1 dimensional caricatures good writing.
Have some fucking dignity.

>>376300753
>he's broken in a way that works with the characters around him.
This is what real balance is. Instead of making everyone weak and boring as shit like every other game, save one.

>>376313348
>line or two
>almost every single class has like three or more lines of dialogue for every class

>>376313324
>it's gameplay
>it is gameplay

30 million players isn't a failure, cakeboy

>>376313392
I play a multiplayer game to play against other people, what's the point of listening to the same 3 ebin quips over and over again?

>>376313418
Quote a SINGLE person that has said that.

I know it seems like an out there and near impossible concept for you guys, but I enjoy both TF2 and Overwatch equally.

They both have their redeeming factors and their flaws. The X is better than Y argument only has ground so far as the two games have similar fundamental gameplay design, but what the two games do to build upon those fundamentals separates them to a large degree.

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>Blizzard hypes Sombra for months
>fucking picture of her gets leaked out early
>leak turns out to be true
>people stop playing Sombra a week after her release

Blizzard should just focus on new maps.....or BALANCING

>>376313324
>If a multiplayer game is incapable of staying alive for anything but gameplay, then I don't know what to say aside from the fact that it's sad.

No one fucking said that autist, you just have your ears covered and have already decided you are right and everything else is wrong.

>>376313489
theres a couple hundred per character

>>376313458
Just like how Avengers isn't a bad movie, right?

>>376313494
Plenty in this shithole.

>>376313324
>failure
>i don't know how business works

>>376313418
is it bad writing for a multiplayer game?

or are you expecting deep and thought provoking characters?

>>376313573
>meanwhile literally only one line of dialogue in Overwatch between characters
>that same fucking repeated Reinhardt and Ana line every game

Sombra is hot though

>>376313581
Success is still the opposite of failure, even if you don't like it.

>>376313581
>>Just like how Avengers isn't a bad movie, right?
I see why you're so uppity, that anon hit it on the head when he called you out for being /tv/

>>376313581
>twats unironically consider 1 dimensional caricatures good writing.

Again, quote ONE (1) moron.

>>376313573
Precious, wasted money.

>>376313598
Do you and I benefit from that money?

>>376313635
If you are not going to try, don't bother at all.
The idea of a MP shooter having 'writing' is a fucking abomination.

>>376313573
And i'm sure they are all epic as shit.

>>376306176

That would be super cool actually. Imagine turning Torb's turret or Sym's turrets against their team for a short while.

Unfortunately, those two are already bottom picks

>>376300372
You forgot Overwatch has Autism and Queerism. Team Fortress is no match to such progressiveness.

>>376313643
Seems like Overwatch is on the right path.
Hopefully they completely remove them.

>>376313740
>moving goalposts
look mongoloid if a product is bad but still sold tons of copies and is thriving with millions of sales, then its not a failure dipshit

>>376313740
>>If you are not going to try, don't bother at all.
>The idea of a MP shooter having 'writing' is a fucking abomination.
you sound like you'd get upset if someone wrapped up a gift for you.

>>376313813
As a consumer, bad games are a failure for me.

>>376313847
If that gift was a plate full of horseshit, I would.

>>376313530
Has Blizzard EVER, in their long history, been good at balancing? No. And it won't start now.

Now, every game is produced with the intention of making money. But this game is a master class of everything learned from LoL, TF2, other Blizzard properties, and aspects of mobile games. It's designed for mass appeal and mass profit. They're pumping money into an e-sports scene to get in on that League/DotA money. The gameplay isn't what's important to them, what's important to them is people keep paying

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>>376313530
Blizzard should have just made Sombra a cute and smug little shit instead of yet another "Wow I'm such a big deal you better take me seriously" vulgar bitch

>>376313643
At least this is one thing dota has going for it. Great voice lines and interactions. Rubick alone has more neat stuff going for him than every god in Smite put together

>>376313916
They should have made a balanced character, period, only fatass autismos give a shit about the characters themselves.
Oh boy, a completely overused archetype and a wacky design, so epic.

>>376313916
>cute and smug little shit

That would have too much overlap with D.va

>>376313916
>"Wow I'm such a big deal you better take me seriously"

I really hate this architype because it's every single female villain in existance now.

and they always do that dumb thing where they don't say anything, tilt their head back and look at you like they don't care they're in danger.

>>376313980
>Great voice lines and interactions
>DOTA
AHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Holy fuck, someone will gift you a DC comic some day and you'll think it's genius or something.

Can someone describe to me the balancing issues within Overwatch. There's alot of this claim being thrown around but a lack of discussion as to the why.

And I swear to god, if you guys jump straight to mentioning Roadhog's hook, you can fuck right off.

>>376312214
Sounds cool as fuck senpai

>>376314000
Character design should be gameplay first, then everything else built up around that. Certain games, like Overwatch, create the personality first. Because that's what most of the fan base actually wants, quirky, fun characters. It's shitty, but it's the way of things

>>376314125
Pharah needs to disappear

>>376314125
Take a look at the competitive pick rates. More than half the cast is always worthless.

>>376310321
>You must be fucking most retarded person on planet if you think character without a gun do kill people in FPS game all about getting kills

Tunnelvision, 1000% of it.

>>376313980

Dota has so many character interactions it's fucking insane. I know a few sperglords in here don't see the point, but it really does add to the game. It no longer goes from differently designed bodies attacking each other, they start to feel like actual characters.

>Kill Jugg as Sven
>Has a fucking unique line for that

It makes them seem like actual characters and not just heroes to select from. I literally can't comprehend how this escapes some of the people in this thread.

>>376314179
Then I hope all this cancer of Overwatch, TF2, or Dirty Bomb collapses soon, it's making COD and Battlefield look good.

>>376312214
y'know there was a leak on /v/ a couple of days ago that said one of thr upcoming characters was going to be even smaller than torbjorn. maybe this new character that'll be released soon works the same way.

>>376305979
>And Orisa's design is trash too.
Nigga I'll fight you

>>376314294
>to be even smaller than torbjorn

Torb is practically on the floor already, what the fuck?

>>376314252
>it really does add to the game
Yeah, they are fucking epic.
Where's the upboat button, /v/ friends?

>>376314125
their sense of balance is horrendous.
They litterally balance things but changing numbers and testing in PTR. They have no formula or tactic that most fights will fall into to balance around.

For instance in tf2 each fight consists of pips of damage. Most guns do 1 pip and you have 2 or more pips of health. every positive or negative that you have over an opponent gives you another pip or removes a pip.
Very simple and very balanced. the victor is usually the ambusher or the one with more team mates.

overwatch has nothing but cooldowns for balance.

>>376314348
the leaker did say she was still in concept phase tho, so maybe they'll change it

tf2 > overwatch

>>376314252
WOAH!! A SINGLE line!!!. Truley mind blowing and immersive, it's like he's a character is real life.... so real... and so much character.

>>376314252
Too bad they forgot about making a decent game.

>>376314383
>Very simple and very balanced. the victor is usually the ambusher or the one with more team mates
Except for when crits are factored into that equation.

>>376310195
>a spy relies on his enemy's incompetency
That sums up why he's shit for competitive nicely.

>>376314431

If you actually played the game you'd know he has about 4 for Jugg alone, but your shitposting so why do I bother even replying.

I'm getting too old for this stupid fucking site honestly

>>376305979
They realized character design in MP games is a waste of time and money.

>>376314383
>Very simple and very balanced.
random crits are fair and balanced

>>376314453
I honestly don't know how I feel about crits.
playing overwatch made me miss them.
playing tf2 made me hate them.

They add variety a lot and I can really see their benefit but they're always bullshit when they happen. It's always "I can survive this fight I have enough health theres no way I'll lose, unless theres a crit"

>>376312214
In recent leak there was information about another russian character who can control a group of small robots. Guess, we will have Abathur in OW sooner or later.

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>>376300926
This.
So much this.
The longer a game goes on unpatched the more apparent character tiers will be. The meta might develop over time, but it's gonna settle sooner or later. There's nothing wrong with this, but you could counteract this development by giving characters different niches.

>>376314529
4 lines for killing someone.
If only they spent that money on developers capable of making fun games.

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>>376300651
I like how it used to be t. Gold shitter or t. Plat shitter but those faggots needed to feel good about themselves too so they shifted it downwards.

>>376314541
they're skill based.

>>376314634
>heavy holding down left click
>gets crits
>skill based

>>376314571

Tier charts are annoying, I liked Shiek because she's fun, but will NEVER not hear anything about tier bullshit

>>376314610
>4 lines for a single character in a game where you have interactions with over 100 characters
>Somehow bad

Last reply you're getting, your only interest is shitposting, not having a discussion

>>376314252
Because hating DotA is easy. If you've never played it, you see elitist fucks who love it to death and shit talk other games. If you've tried it and didn't get in to it, you'll hate it for not appealing to you and your brief experience will validate your negativity. And if you are a DotA player you'll hate it, because hatred is required to exist in that place. But you'll keep coming back.

>>376314725
he got those crits fair and square. he rolled the dice and you took your chances.

>>376314614
Where is the image from anon?

Sombra, like every other character, is perfectly viable when in the right hands.

>>376314753
All that VA work is a complete waste of money that could have gone elsewhere.

>>376314781
kek

Reinhardt is the only good character both personality wise and in gameplay.

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>>376300372
>Overwatch implies that Mexicans and Africans can be smart

>>376314958

Eh, Reaper, Junkrat and Genji are up there imo

>>376314405
>>376314348
>>376314294
And the leaker was that fucking Nickle guy. You know, the fucker who scammed his giveaway winner?

In other words, don't believe it.

>>376314571
It's been like a year since I've played. This list almost looks like it's from another dimension

>Jr., DH, Wario, Lucas, LM, GnW all that high
>Diddy/Cloud that low
>Ike above Marth and Roy

>>376314271
>Dirty Bomb
I prefer it over overwatch/paladins just people just have one or two abilities and no fucking ults.
Plus Dirty Bomb doesn't really get talked about anymore.

>>376314247
>t. 12 yo that instalocks junkrat regardless of map or atk/def

Reminder that most people here won't be old enough to know what TF2 was actually like on release, and how before hats, it essentially had the place that overwatch holds in the multiplayer FPS market just now.

These games are so fuckin similar it hurts and it would take the biggest fanboy in the world to try and argue otherwise. TF2 fanboys need to stop crying that their game was ripped off by Blizz. OW fanboys need to admit their game WAS stolen by Blizz.

>>376300372
Sombra feels like she was designed to counter Lucio with his super high win pick rate and thats it. But they did not factor into the fact someone needs to waste a slot of the team to play her to get that ulti.

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>>376316234
ay este gruñon.

>>376316234

Also negates Zen Ults. Thing is that shes never really around to reflexively shut down Ults because of EMPs really limited range.

Like you can hear Lucio Break it Down or Zen Ulting into a Zarya Black Hole. Run full speed over to where its happening and its already finished. EMP is shit aside from catching out a couple of people and killing them/throwing it out in Team Fights.

I fucking love playing as Sombra and I wish she just had a hint more burst to actually convert ambushes into kills. Thats all they really need in order to fix her right now. Her mobility is just really really fun to use now that they corrected the retarded cooldown timers they had in place at launch.

If I had my way I would remove her stupid low health wallhacks and give her some sort of synaptic aimed feedback that instantly hits for 50 damage with no splash, like a single Helix rocket instead of three. That way you can actually kill Zens you ambush while under fire from the rest of his team. Its never a problem killing supports, its killing supports while the enemy team is focusing you at the sametime without the negating abilities of Tracer and Genji.

So a Tracer can sustain the fight until she gets the pick before rewinding out of the fight, Genji has inffinite buttons, Sombra has shit I better teleport the fuck out of here.

>>376300445
this is factually incorrect.
Spy is more useful then Sombra because the spy can.

>Kill key targets instantly.
>Best Gun's aren't a pea shooter if you can aim.
>Isin''t incredibly loud with his decloak sans Deadringer.
>can disable sentries on his own with little to no issue

the only thing Sombra has over the spy is an effective escape mechanism. Overall Sombra is another flawed Blizzard attempt at making a Spy.
>Another what do you mean ?
Reaper is also an attempt at the spy but held back as well because they thought he'd be too bullshit.

Both of these characters are underused and its fucking because blizzard are too afraid of making a good stealthy character that will make shitters piss themselves in rage.

>>376318008
>while under fire from the rest of his team
this is where you fucked up.

>>376318298
>make shitters piss themselves in rage
How are they not pissing themselves over certain ults?

Shit opinion ahead
I kinda feel making spy a pickoff class like sniper was a mistake. Outside of a few specific environments sniper will get the job done in a safer and more reliable way
Sure he has a place as a counter for sniper but he doesn't even need to be able to backstab to kill him, just making backstab more pointless than I think it is
I wish somehow spy was about actually gathering intelligence from the enemy team and sabotaging more than just engie's buildings, although I have no idea how you'd go on about doing this ingame.

>>376318609

Its impossible to play Sombra and only ever engage in one on one fights. Its just not ever going to happen. I understand exactly what you mean but you will always need to try and grab a pick when the supports are right next to the tanks they are healing, its just the way the maps and the game itself works. The other flankers/dive have ways to work around this while still trying to get kills, Sombra can only really back out instead.

I want Sombra to bully my dick.

>>376318759
Those are ults they're supposed to be bullshit. I'am talking about a good character design blizzard is refusing to use because it would hurt a huge chunk of the playerbases fee fees.

>>376318926

You steal an idea from Blizzard and have him poison health kits/disable them/only heal his team.

>>376313324
>playing games for gameplay alone
Spot the underage CoD fag.

Sombra because girls rules and boys droll.

>>376319161
Oh yeah, can't forget to experience the epic tale of Team Redditi 2 and Overmeme.

>>376319074

If your enough of a shitbag Sombra you can make people rage enough to dedicate themselves to hunting you.

Its not as instant as swapping to Widow and getting a couple of picks though, you need to work to be enough of a pain in peoples sides, usually killing them when their low health from really improbable areas. Everyone seems to really fucking hate getting killed when they think they've escaped an engagement and are on the way to a health kit.

>>376318946
that's her point though. She's not really a get kills deal, unless they're already triggering Opportunist. Sombra is all about building her ult to make team fights stupidly easy to win.

The only time you should be worrying about getting kills is when you can see them through a wall, or in a team fight. Other than that you're really just trying to build up your ult as fast as you can.

>Blizzard """""""""""""""balancing""""""""""""""""""""

Every Blizzard game starts out interesting and then Blizzard strangles it to death with shitty cash grabs and uninteresting balancing. Blizzard really sees their players as little more than cash pigs

>>376300372
How's the pick rate for Tf2 in tournaments?

>>376319302

Nah thats just the current shitty comp pro meta, thats how they use Sombra so apparently thats now her entire purpose. I would much rather they have her be what her kit suggests rather than the bastardisation that it became.

>>376319452
No anon you need people to play a game for there to be tournaments

>>376300372
Spy went to shit once friendly fire went away. Spy checking cost nothing and completely fucks spys over.

They are never picked in competitive and they even got cucked into a support role for MvM, sap is amazing but no maxed weapon is enough to solo a giant and the ai is bugged so they wont shoot at a YER spy but they will run up to them and block them and if you are touched they break your disguise and kill you.

>>376318926
>I wish somehow spy was about actually gathering intelligence from the enemy team

When he's disguised he can see enemy health and can tell who to prioritize when attempting a push or running down retreating enemies after a skirmish.

Unless you're playing something like fucking cp_orange, there are places where a spy will be able to make surgical strikes better than a sniper. It's not about DPSing or killstreaks.

Once you backstab someone and the enemy team knows there's a spy in play, it basically never works again, if the team has any ounce of savviness and coordination.

But who you kill? That's decisive. Killing a medic off to delay ubercharges. Assassinating a demo that's harassing a nest. Or indeed, taking out a sniper so your team can push into the open.

>>376319287
Playing second fiddle in a kill is not a stratifying result man. you either make plays or you dont and Sombra cant make plays unless she has her ultimate or is somehow incredibly lucky and catches the entire enemy team with small health. She is not a threat.

>don't have reinhart
>lose the game

amazing design, they should fucking rework the maps and add more entrances and less chokepoints

>>376307598
>They are both personality-less artstyles that didn't even try.
utter fucking bullshit. never post again. TF2 had more work going into its artstyle than the amount of work your parents put into raising you

>>376320124
Sure it did, reddit.

>>376319106
That sounds fuckin cool actually
Imagine the possibilities of sapping players
>sapped guns have a chance to miss
>medic about to uber gets his medigun disabled

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>>376313530
Maps and character balance don't sell loot boxes.

>>376305765
>FROYO
are you retarded?

>>376320124
Ignore the retard, he coudln't even reply to you without memes

>Spy
>has cool one liners like "I murdered your toys as well" and "You died as you lived, morbidly obese"

>Sombra
>most interesting thing she'll say is shout something in Spanish occasionally

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>We believe that Sombra is good, it's just that no one knows how to use her
What did he meme by this

>>376300372
>everyone has infinite ammo
>stealth get canceled if damaged
what were they thinking?

What's funny is the many of the cast can do what Sombra is supposed to be, but better. The only leg up Sombra has is getting into position through stealth and having an "oh shit" button on a 4 second cooldown.

>Trying to flank as Sombra
>Have to spend entire clips on 200hp heroes to try to kill them
>Ultimately just be an annoying cunt Silencing people.

>Play Hanzo as a flanker
>Outright assassinating the enemy support with E scattershots

You see, Hanzo (of all heroes) performs that flanker assassin role even better than her (and better than Genji and Tracer as well). The only issue with Hanzo is that he has difficulty flanking with his only movement ability being the wall climb and he doesn't have an "oh shit" button.

When it comes to "true flanking assassins" Genji is the best one, but that isn't saying much as his burst damage is garbage.

>>376320892
Overwatch interactions and character personality is trash, the only ones I like are Torbjorn and Reinhart

meanwhile

>Tracer is literally disney tier saying things that you would only hear or read in a book for 5 years old
>Dva is literally retarded (A MONKEY, JUST LIKE IN MY VIDEOGAMES)
>Winston is fucking boring and serious, and he's also a gorilla, so talk about peanut butter and bananas, haha
>Mei (line of the game: I love climbing!)
>Hanzo and Genji literally say weeabo shit or muh honor
>Mcree is american
>Reaper is edgy

I mean, I now the game is made for audiences of 11 years old and we can't have witty dialogue or black humor, but jesus

>>376321584
What they should do is get rid of all that shit and focus on making a multiplayer videogame.

>>376321584
Roadhog and Junkrat have some good ones, every time Hog kills Rat or sees him die he says something like "I was waiting for someone to shut you up"

>>376321745
Blizzard is fucking useless at making videogames, especially now

they also do not have a fucking idea how a FPS should be designed

>every map is chokepoint after chokepoint, we also have several heroes that you need to have in order to win due to how the design works
>have fucking fun, and keep buying boxes you fucking goy

>>376315214
but that wasnt true
thats also reddit news
ironic coming from you telling people not to believe it
nigger

>>376320892
This isn't true at all though. She makes fun of Tracer and other characters from time tot time.

>>376321956
That's why the last thing they should do is focus on something pointless like dialogue trash that nobody cares about.

I would argue that Ana is one of most well designed characters in the game.

It gives Hanzo / Widow fucks an excuse to play support, which considering the normie audience is perfect.

>>376305765
but look at those hats!

>>376322092
The implication there is that they meet the skillfloor to pull it off.

So she's extremely effective to the point of trivializing other healers if you're up to par, but otherwise a mediocre Lucio, Zen or Mercy can be more impactful than someone who can only reliably throw HealJarate once in a while.

>>376322080
you can do both things, especially when you are a fucking big company like Blizzard, I get you don't care about it, but the more shit they add to the game, the more complete it is, however they do an absolute terrible job with gameplay too, so I don't thing focusing solely on the multiplayer aspect will help in any way

>>376322265
>you can do both things
Or you can focus on the videogame part, the good one, since plot in a fucking multiplayer game is pointless.

Sombras gotta be used to disrupt, if you, say, as an example, coordinate a push with a sombra sneaking behind enemy lines and hacking away rein's shield she can be pretty useless.

Of course everyone on /v/ plays every character the same way: Rush in alone, guns blazing.

>>376314753
>tfw you like rosalina because shes fun and can be defensive

>hack disable a single player for 6 seconds

>soldier flanks
>I got you in my sights
>improved 'disables' your entire team from the game 30 seconds.

>>376314073
>and they always do that dumb thing where they don't say anything, tilt their head back and look at you like they don't care they're in danger.
What?
I can't really imagine what you're talking about, who ever does that?

>>376304109
it's been 5 hours and this got no replies because it makes zero sense

if the person who made this is reading this, please neck yourself

Sombra only needs a damage buff against hacked targets. That's it. Hacking requires time so it would be fine.
>>376322816
Agreed, I think TF2 players have a very odd perception of this game.

>>376308646
Codey? It's kinda funny because anytime he switches off Sombra and plays Widowmaker instead he pretty much dominates. I think he says she would be OP to make other Sombra players feel bad for not doing much as her, since he is amazing as her, but buffing her would just put her on par with the other damage heroes which does not make her OP relatively speaking.

>>376308646
Nigga codey has no fucking idea what he's talking about. He's just some kid with really god tracking aim.

You could literally dominate everybody in overwatch with superior aim.

>>376321348
>but that isn't saying much as his burst damage is garbage
What? Genji's right click does 84 damage per right click into somebody's body. Do it in their head it's 168. Instant 168 is great burst damage.

>>376323407
are you retarded, read the categories. Diddy is in "eh" tier but he's S-tier

>>376301763
its the international just the fact that the hero was played means something because it means the hero is viable enough to use

unlike in overwatch and LoL

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>>376300445
>Spy
>Worthless

Spy is useful for both the paranoia inducing mental state he instils, where people has to turn around every once in a while,as well as the ability to take out targets immediately, especially key ones.

Spy is a very useful character but in competitive play he's simply not reliant enough to sacrifice a demo, scout or soldier consistently in a 6v6 setting.

Spy still sees a fair amount of use in competitive play though but he is, and never has been, a character you use almost the entire game since he lacks the mobility and damage of the other three mentioned classes.

You can still use him to great effect in public servers, though preferably in servers where you have actually decent players at least rather than Valve servers, as well as 9v9 Highlander.

I'm probably biased though since I'm an old Spy main.

Not going to say anything about Sombra since I haven't played Overwatch so I can't really pass judgement.

>>376313581
>Quote one
>There's plenty
So you can't quote one? If you're not going to say anything, literally anything at all, with a purpose beyond being filler for the argument you don't have, stop posting.

>>376321584
>Overwatch interactions and character personality is trash,

That's just Blizz in general

Not having domination lines probably kills any potential for cool interactions and character building.

I don't play OW but i did notice they have interactions during the initial spawn, i guess that's one advantage over TF2.

>>376325545
>kills any potential for cool interactions and character building.
Good, last thing we need is more autism pandering.

>>376300372
>her stealth barely make any impact on the game since there's nothing to follow unlike Spy 's backstab
See, this is your actual good point. She can't really do anything once she's behind enemy lines. You can hack an enemy that does no damage and lasts 5 seconds, or you can emp that does no damage and lasts 6 seconds, and once someones hacked, pretty much everyone except Mercy will waste her.

They quickened her skill cooldown but running and gunning is more Tracer's game. She needs rework.

>>376300925
>furries and bronies
Yeah tf2 is also full of traders, sellers and buyers

>>376325891
>I would rather have thread-bare characters be known for le epic gremlin dorito memes than actual in-game lore and personal traits

???

>>376327334
I rather they not have any personality at all and be like Counter Strike characters to avoid autistical waifufaggots and tumblrinas obsessed with some poorly written lore nobody gives a shit about.

>>376300683
You don't like a popular game, congratulations

People keep mentioning "leaks" from a few days ago. What did they say and how likely bullshit were they?

Sombra is actually incredibly dangerous in the hands of a good player. No character is better at killing stragglers, and unless you're a Tank if Sombra gets the jump on you you're basically dead. And denying the enemy team Health packs is pretty good. She's still not a major player though, because Overwatch is still dominated by how overpowered and necessary Tanks are.

>>376300938
>buff sombra's damage
>still won't effect her winrate because her damage is the least of her problems