Personafags, Nocturnefags, and Strange Journeyfags should

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Really?
Nah.

>>376265390
Not as good as the sequel, persona 3-4-5 and devil summoner

>>376265589
>Persona 3 and 4
>better

>>376265390
This and its sequel were fucking amazing games.
If I could forget about some games and play them all over again without knowing anything about, they will be among those.

>>376265676
>i want hitoshura to pound my boypussy
>i want the judge to slam me multiple times

>>376265390
I love these games, but still prefer games with negotiation.

Worth $30 for both of them? I heard the PSN versions have issues.

Games that i refuse to finish because of the encounter rate

Nocturne is the only ps2 one i finished

Never touching DDS again

Now that P5 is out and there wont be another in 10 years I hope they work on other megami tensei games

Like Devil survivor 3
Or a remake of if...

I honestly loved Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2, and hope they get an HD bundle treatment one day. The story just felt so engaging and good, and I loved how much freedom the combat system gave you with choosing your moveset.

But dat Raidou, dou.

>>376265796
I should add that I'm also interested in getting the Raidou games if they're better.

>>376265796
Yes

>>376265908
>freedom
>locked party

>>376265390
that game is too hard

>>376265664
>persona 3 and 4
>not better
The original DDS is heavily flawed and while it has an interesting premise, never capitalizes on it beyond so rudimentary character motivation. Beyond that the only thing I would give it props for is the combat, but it plays so similarly to the other games it's not even worth mentioning. It's a strong entry to the SMT series as a whole, but it's not special either. Persona actually took the game and made something new and appealing

>>376265992
It's easier than Nocturne you nerd

>>376265973
>locked party
What?

>>376265973
What did he mean by this?

>>376266139
theyre both too hard

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Would I be a complete retard to start this game series from the beginning to the end?

I have a lot of time to kill and I never really gave these games a chance.

>>376266267
I don't think you have that much time to kill, anon.

>tfw the best SMT games are the ones with the least story

>>376266267
You'd be a complete man.

Will ATLUS ever give us a story as good as DDS again? I want to believe SMTV will be good but idk.

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DDS isn't that great. First one has a great setting, both have great OSTs and both have fairly likable characters, but they're lacking otherwise. They're good games, but not amazing and certainly not as good as many other MegaTen games.

>>376265796
There's pretty severe audio desync in the cutscenes, but otherwise they're fine. Raidou games work perfectly fine.

>>376266267
You mean from SMT I? Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei? The novels? Reading the Old Testament?

>>376266223
Then stop being so casual and git gud

>>376266448
no

>>376266379
The story in DDS was just okay.

This was my first SMT but I still haven't played the second part.

>>376266054
DDS doesn't feel like a goddamn slog to play through like P3 and 4

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>>376266267
Yes. Use this instead

>>376266519
They both have their sloggish moments. I'd say P3 probably has more though. Have yet to play 4.

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>>376266267
You might have a hard time getting into it if you do that. The older entries have their appeal, but they're pretty lacking in many ways.

>>376266393
I honestly have no idea how far it goes back, but I know there's too damn many and I want to play all of them. Persona and whatever else included.

>>376266338
Well I'm not sticking around too long, I might as well give it a go while I can

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>Nocturne
>Below DDS
You're lucky you even got to fight Demi Fiend, you filth

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>>376266675
You can play them all, I just don't think it's the best idea to play them in release order. But if that's how you want to play them, then that's how you want to play them.

Don't kill yourself, also, it's a sin.

Is there any way to play this on PS4? I had DDS1 at some point on ps3 online but the framerate was horrible. Any updates?

>>376265390
I like em all

>>376266910
Got a chronological list someplace? I'm pretty keen on poor decisions
Not suicide chief, cancer

>It's easier than Nocturne you nerd
I fucking wish. There's far more legendary megaten bullshit in DDS than Nocturne.

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I got this the other day, it's bretty gud. Hope there's more to the red guy than just turning evil though.

>>376265973
There was locked parties in DDS?

I know at some points you can only use certain people. I forgot if you were forced to have Serph in the party at ll times

>>376266393
Thanks, I'll probably buy the physical copies of Raidou anyways since I already bought DDS1&2 just now and they're not too expensive.

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When is Raidou 3.
I want more of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWM3gH3qXYc&t=253s

>>376267045
I don't, but the earliest place to start, to my knowledge, is Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei I which is based on the novel Digital Devil Story. I'll see if I can find a more comprehensive list. Hang in there.

>>376267102
I'm not too fond of DDS, but I was extremely satisfied with the explanation of Heats edginess, it was one of the high points of the two games for me.

>>376265390
It's a shame the story in 2 went to shit with the whole 'everyone dies but no wait you're actually all ok and are now fighting the big bad in the sun'. That and the fact that the main game is piss easy as you can switch skills on the fly as long as you've learned it. The other bullshit thing outside of optional stuff like the demi-fiend is if you're unlucky enough to dislike using Gale and/or Cielo and are then forced to use either of them (at a gimped level as they were unused) for basically half the game.

>>376267272
Oddly, you can take Serph out of the party.

You'd never want to do that, but you can.

>>376267095
The only thing I'd say makes DDS harder than Nocturne is the Demi-Fiend secret boss; otherwise just knowing what skills to have equipped before entering a battle and being smart about your set-ups will lead to easy victories.

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>>376265390
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XOEZIZMUl0

Best final boss theme in the history of vidya?

>>376266819
Why is he crying?

Why does he have his mouth like that? Why does he look like a fucking retard?

What a horrible picture. Don't post it anymore.

>>376267731
Random encounters are a fair bit harder early on.

>>376267846
DDS1 has my favorite SMT soundtrack, by far

https://youtu.be/TB_Al8lCKKE

>>376267731
Yeah, DDS is way more "Know what the fight is before starting it" than any other Megaten game.

Optional bosses like Orochi or Beelzebub can only be damaged by one or two damage types, if you don't spread out skills properly before starting the fight, one of your teammates can be dead weight the entire fight and there isn't shit you can do about it.

I really liked these games and the fact that it was about hindushit for a change.
But in the end it's just the same game as Nocturne but without the fun of building your own party and interacting with demons.
Also the Mantra system while fun also made the games too easy aside from optional fights.

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>>376267531
Thanks man.

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>>376268349
>>376267531
Okay, I got a list.
Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei
Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei 2
Kyukaku Megami Tensei
Shin Megami Tensei
Shin Megami Tensei 2
Shin Megami Tensei IMAGINE
Shin Megami Tensei ...If
Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne
Shin Megami Tensei NINE
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse
Revelations: Demon Slayer
Megaten Gaiden: Last Bible II
Last Bible III
Another Bible
Last Bible Special
Majin Tensei
Majin Tensei II
Ronde
Majin Tensei: Blind Thinker
Majin Tensei: Blind Thinker 2
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs the soulless army
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner 2: Raidou Kuzunoha vs King Abaddon
Relevations: Persona
Persona 2: Innocent Sin
Persona 2: Eternal Punishment
Persona 3
Persona 4
Persona 4 Arena
Persona 4 Arena Ultimax
Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth
Persona 4: Dancing All Night
Persona 5
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Children: Red and Black Book
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Children: White Book
Shin Megami Tensei Trading Card: Card Summoner
Demikids: Light and Dark Version
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Children: Puzzle de Call
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Children: Book of Ice and Book of Fire
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Children: Messiah River
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Children
Jack Bros
Giten Megami Tensei
Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga
Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 2
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 2
Tokyo Mirage Sessions: #FE

I think there's more, some of those are untranslated, one's a dead MMO and one's a Virtual Boy game, but this is more or less it.

>>376267846
I prefer Raidou 1's final boss music.

I love all the Megaten games that I've played, which is basically everything in English. Why do people feel the need to fanboy over one and hate another when they are so damn similar to begin with? With that said, my favorite might be Raidou 2 but I haven't played it in years so I can't explain why.

>>376268648
I hated the final boss in Raidou 2. I was enjoying the game up to that point, though not as much as Raidou 1, but that was such a lackluster way to end it.

>>376268457
>Tokyo Mirage Sessions: #FE

why is this on the list?

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>>376268457
Jesus, I've got a lot to get through.
Hope I've got enough time

>>376268749
Yep, but I'd say that the Megaten series in general has final bosses with one problem or another. It's a weak point in the franchise in my opinion, but not a big enough one to get too worked up about.

>>376268457
Which one is the one with the pixel tiddies?
I mean, the one with lotsa pixel tiddies.

>>376268770
It's a MegaTen game, like it or not.

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>>376268836
It's a good and frustrating journey. Totally worthwhile. Stick with it, anon

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>>376267982
>never bitten your lip before in your life.
Was it autism?

>>376268910
It was mostly just disappointing to me because I love Raidou 1's final boss. The only thing holding it back for me was the fact that no matter how good they made it, the combat in the game just wasn't good enough to offer a good fight.

>>376266267
Can You read Japanese?

If you can, play Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei -> Shin Megami Tensei 1, 2, and if.. -> Persona 1 -> Devil Summoner -> Soul Hackers

If you can't read Japanese just skip if... and Devil Summoner

Then play Nocturne -> Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2 -> Persona 3, 4, and 5

If you want, play Persona 2 IS & EP and SMT: Strange Journey between Soul Hackers and Nocturne.

If you still have time after that play Radiou Kuzunoha 1 & 2 and Shin Megami Tensei IV & Apocalypse.

If you're into SRPGs play Devil Survivor 1 & 2 also.

Reminder you can get copies of DDS1&2, new, sealed in-box, from the Walmart website for $15 each. Both for about $31, free shipping.

>>376266420
>not starting by being in a Satanic cult where you learn to summon demons irl
LMAOing @ ur lyf

Nocturne/DDS1/DDS2 are my favorite SMT games but i feel that is a common opinion on them.

They're amazing games. Its funny if shitters in this thread try to go in on them because of Purseowners being angered. The only good Persona games are 2/5. 3 needed a update just to be playable since no character control is shit. Persona 4 is slow as shit and half the characters are head smashingly annoying.

>Atlus still refuses to port P3/Nocturne/DDS games to the PS2 games section of PS4

It would be free money every time.

>>376265860
>if...
WHERE IS IT GIDEON
ANSWER ME

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>>376269283
Law > chaos > neutral

>>376269372
2 is even more of a slog than 3, except the plot is actually interesting throughout the game

>>376269271
and? you can get them for the same on amazon. they reprinted them. they aren't rare. Nocturne was also reprinted and goes for cheap too.

>>376269271
I got em off Amazon because the Walmart retailer selling for $15 had some reviews saying they may give you the wrong games and/or can be difficult at getting in touch with.

>>376266267
If you count all the games there must be over a hundred by now or something crazy like that, I don't think you'd make it. Though that's mostly because of all the obscure Japan-only mobile releases that no one really cares about.
Answering seriously, if you mean starting from Megami Tensei 1 then I wouldn't bother because a fair few games have no English translation and it'll take ages to reach the first game where the gameplay isn't a slog. Most aren't really connected anyway.
Some people actually seem to enjoy them though, so you could try I guess.

>>376269484
2 has better plot art style then 3/4 and Hitler. But yeah honestly 5 is the only truly good Persona game because of the beautiful demon models and mechanically it feels almost as full on as a SMT game. The only difference being the fact bosses are fucking weak as shit besides 2-3 optional ones and maybe the final boss.

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Post objectively 10/10 MegaTen battle themes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RiHmQcHa84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0IDL5XWQVo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdYkIF3C7PY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o08Ir0Mf_qg

>>376269804
>Not Beezlebub theme/Metatron theme
>Not Divine Entity/Rare Devil
>Not the Velvet Twins theme

Wow its like you can't do what you set out to do Law nigger.

>>376269549
I didn't know they had been reprinted. There are still a lot of listings that are more expensive.

>>376269549
Yeah, the Walmart ones are through a distributor but both mine came in just fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVhAdOURUPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0pJ8v_ntgk
>these aren't in the game
What were they thinking?

>>376269804
>no SACRIFICE THE SONS OF HEAVEN

>>376270042
>MAN'S GREATEST GLIMPSE OF FIRE RED

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>>376269891
>>376270042
>Doesn't post them

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>>376267982
He lost to a random encounter of digital devils he had a total advantage over.

>>376270319
>Lost
>Was literally a dream
>Could've Gaea raged at any point if he felt like it also

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>>376266607
>Have yet to play 4.
I'd say that Atlus' dungeon design peaked with Persona 4 to be honest.

>>376270319
>play normal battle theme
>DDS cast get instakilled from a single
Gaea Rage
>doesn't even use Fiends

>>376270429
>I was only pretending to lose
Go away demi-fiend.

>>376269804
https://youtu.be/SMX09FSyHqs

You can't listen to this without getting hyped as fuck

>>376265589
sorry I know I'm late but
>devil summoner
>better than anything
that game was a real piece of shit. I heard the second one was better

>>376266267

Is this metal lord?

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>>376270595
*resists your physical attacks*

>>376270746
Nice shoulders fag

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>>376270794

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I've played P3, P4, P5, SMT IV, and Nocturne.

I really wanna play the DDS series but not sure whats the best way to do it. My computer is basically broken so PS2 emulator is out of the window. I have a Vita and a PS4. What do?

>>376271369
Sounds like you gotta buy a PS2 or a PS3 mate

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>>376271654
Aw man. There isn't anything in the PSN stores for the Vita or PS4?

I played 3 and 4 on my emulator than bought P3P and Golden for my Vita. I was really hoping to play it on the Vita, but I would even settle for the PS4.

>>376269804
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtNbGSDRkkU

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>>376270585
Imagine being Demfiend in that fight and having to be all like "damn, Embryon, you fuckin' fine, all threatening with your tight earth spells and horrific mouth titty demon forms. I would totally lose to you, both my solar data and the real me." when all he really wants to do is reject another God in the Vortex World. Like seriously imagine having to be Demfiend and not only stand in that room while the Embryon flaunts their disgusting mouths in front of you, the favorable lighting barely concealing their floppy arms and crusty shoulders, and just stand there, fight after fight, hour after hour, while they perfected that fight. Not only having to tolerate their monstrous fucking strategies but their haughty attitude as Sera tells them they've STILL GOT IT and DAMN, SERPH LOOKS LIKE *THAT*?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and watch his faggot fucking prettyboy face contort into types of grimaces you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been fighting nothing but a healthy diet of archangels and Goetain demons and later alleged polytheistic deities for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the boonies in Japan. You've never even seen anything this fucking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the sweat that's breaking out on Serph's bladed arm as he sticks it out to slash it at you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get stand there and fight his "ferocious (for that is what he calls the Embryon)" team, the team he worked so hard for with Heat in the previous months. And then they die and try for another take, and you know you could Gaea Rage every single person in this room before the people of the Junkyard could put you down, but you stand there and endure, because you're the fucking Demifiend. You're not going to lose your future deistic career over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it.

>>376271824
Nope, just checked the ps store, looks like it's only available on ps3

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>>376272080
thanks man

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>>376271824
Honestly, it's worth investing in the PS2 versions if there's going to be no plans on an HD collection for PS4

I've kept these over the years just for that reason, I'd likely never experience the games again like they were otherwise.

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I'm rich as fuck in nocturne but too lazy to back track the amala dungeon

How much money will these sluts really steal from me?

>>376272251
I only did it once and they stole it all.

>>376272251
Not that much

>>376270460
Is that really as complicated as they get?

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>>376272837
For P4? Well that's it

For the series? I don't know man

>>376272837
No, but even at their best, they're shit.

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>>376273278
CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES

CHIN ANAKI TENSEI

>>376265390
Yeah, definitely enjoyed it more than Nocturne. I gave up on it after discovering the grind required for the true demon ending, then watched it on youtube, and to be honest it was probably my least favorite. Too random and disrespectful of the entire game's journey.

>>376269470
Looking for testers™
But not since he doesn't want people playing the game.

>>376265390
Nocture was too edgy for me, what will I think of this?

>>376273410
>Those sleep tiles that lead to poison tiles that are just a dead end

Please let DSJ have EO-style map making.

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>>376273410

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>>376273624
>too edgy

>>376265589
Lmfaoooooo

>>376273705
Wasn't really intended to be a criticism of the game itself, it's just not my sort of thing

>>376267531
>the explanation of Heats edginess, it was one of the high points of the two games for me

I was amazed to find out how it was foreshadowed in the previous game, in the story about the princes and shit.

>>376273410
Grus was actually pretty straight forward, it is Eridanus and Eridanus alone which was total cancer.

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>>376273651
SUFFOCATION
NO BREATHING

>>376265589
>Not as good as the sequel
You have to play the first game again after playing the second one to truly appreciate it.

>>376273861
I thought the opposite. I got through Eridanus with ease, but Grus was insufferable.

>>376268457
Holy shit. How were they humanly capable of putting out this many games?

>>376273805
Just give up on the series I guess, SMT probably isn't going to be for you. Persona 4 & 5 might be more up your speed maybe. They're good, despite what memers would lead you to believe. Persona 3 might still be too "edgy" for you as well.

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>>376273973
And to think most people don't know any of them outside of Persona.

>>376265390
DDS as a duology is definitely better than most but not Nocturne or Personal 5, the rest though yes

>>376265390
Best characters in any SMT game hands down

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>>376274293
Best designs as well, Kaneko's peak.

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>>376273897
Who the fuck in Atlus design P3/4's dungeons anyway?

>>376273973
Asset reuse.

can you emulate SJ?

>>376274596
yes

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>>376274481
An algorithm, they're procedurally generated from what I can tell. Although I think 4 takes from a few preset templates because most of them are like pic related.

>>376274425
I got inexplicable boners from Vayu the first time I played DDS.

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>>376274425
>Kaneko will never design Persona again

>>376268457
which one is the hardest, which one is the easiest, and which one is the best to start the series?

>>376274425
Was kinda a bummer though how anyone noteworthy turned into an abstract alien proto-hindu gods and yet you punched the same old faggots as in any SMT.
Which doesn't mean I don't love those old faggots, but still.

>>376265390
The dungeons were so tedious I had to drop it.

>>376274869
Hardest in the sense of enemies and dungeon design and not dated/cryptic mechanics would be Strange Journey

Easiest is the first two Persona (P1 and P2IS)

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>>376274885
You don't punch Harihara in any SMT that I'm aware of.

I'd also like to mention that DDS was Meguro's best work too, although I am quite found of the P5 OST.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJf7jnRQsdE

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>>376274425
Not all of them were good.

>>376275102
Well I'd say Angel is among the noteworthy characters though.

>>376266267
Would I be a complete retard to start the persona series from the beginning to the end?

And from the beginning I mean Revelations: Persona from the PS1, not the JPOP remake.

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MC = Serph
Ryuji = Heat
Makoto = Argilla
Yusuke = Gale
Morgana = Cielo
Haru = Sera
Ann = ???
Futaba = ???
Goro = Bat

>>376275736
No you wouldn't

>>376275736
>not the JPOP remake.

LIVING BALLS AND MANLY

>>376275765
Ann = Argilla
Makoto = Jinanna
Futaba = Roland

>>376275765
Literally nothing alike. Fuck off.

>>376275736
>trying to slog through that shit ass and slow as fuck butchered garbage called Revelations Persona whose only pros are the soundtrack and game cover
Just download the patch that tries to restore some of the tracks and listen to the og ost while playing it

>>376273410
getting into nocturne now and planning on playing SJ right after, seeing this makes me want to drop the series and never look back

>>376276091
Yusuke is definitely as autistic as Gale.

>>376276290
They are like literal opposites.

>>376276176
But I want to play Persona in an American school.

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>>376276176
>Not listing black Mark as a pro

Best song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKJo4uC9o_o&list=PL0008307CF3DC119A&index=29

>>376276576
Hol up
Are y'all niggas playin' Persona and shit?
Stupid-ass mo'fuckers...

>>376276576
Forgot black mark, my bad.

>>376276767
Nah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNbGxDgcZh0

>>376276767
Credits theme is best song

>>376265759
Real men enjoy having their assholes pounded.

>play the first one
>love it
>start the second one right after finishing the first one
>get turned off by having to start from level 1 again
>by the time I'll want to play 2 I'll have forgotten 1's story
Fug.

>>376277548
How?
Both games are still shorter than Persona 5.

>>376277919
99% of games are shorter than P5.

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Hey Chaos Friends how's it hanging? Remember the Lord loves you and wants you to repent.

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>>376279493

It's certainly the best PS2-era Megaten. I still miss Satomi Tadashi.

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>>376279493
Fuck off Law nerd, the Lord is a fag and wants your complete subservience.

>>376279623
His writing was too good for us

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>>376279629
Yesssss...

Good goy...

Fuck the encounter rate, why didn't they make a estoma a spell?

>>376280118
>Estoma spray

>>376280118
True that, the amount of random battles in this game was absolutely insane. And the dungeons very long, too. At least it did help make the story moments feel particularly rewarding.

>>376280192
>limited shit you had to buy

>>376281021
>had to buy
>3,000 yen
>in fucking DDS
Okay.

>>376279948
I just noticed that was data code and not fire

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>>376273410
>>376274481
>>376273897
>>376273651
>>376273410
>>376273278
Step aside, son of man.

The worst part about it is the sheer size of it.

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>>376281376
>Flynn tells you that you're gonna want to zoom out your map

>>376276230
Are you kidding? SJ is ALL dungeon crawling and it's fucking fantastic. If you don't enjoy dungeon crawling, then you may not like SMT as a whole. Even Nocturne's later dungeons get huge and pretty sadistic.

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>>376282253
>Diet Building
>Tower of Kagutsuchi

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>>376282634
Love it. NEED MORE.

>>376282253
If its anything at all like the amala network I might as well save myself the hassle.

>>376282789
Diet Building is great, but the Tower of Kagutsuchi can fuck off with its prolonged random teleporter section.

>>376282841
Suit yourself man, but you're really missing out.

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Leave Megami Tensei to me.

REND

>>376282895
>SMTIV starts out with a parody of EO setup, but then the Tokyo underneath the labyrinth isn't completely dead

>>376282930
SLAUGHTER

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>>376282895
The dead can't do anything.

>>376282997
DEVOUR YOUR ENEMIES

>>376282895
>PQ and SJ, the best SMT games, are also the worst EO games
truly causes one to contemplate

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>he isn't a desupremacist

>>376282895
This is why smt elitists make me laugh

>>376283347
Why?
Etrian Odyssey and SMT are fun.

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>>376283479
>Not liking one and irrationally hating the other while shitposting about it

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>>376282895
Child's play

>>376283596
Well in Etrian Odyssey you can't recruit enemies which is sad. EO Mandrakes are cute!

>>376265390
DDS was nearly perfect. Probably won't be another jrpg that comes that close again.

>>376279623
Has anyway played Caligula? Want to play it because of him.

When is bento books going to put out Quantum Digital Devil Saga Avatar Tuner Volume 2?

>>376284282
Glad to see I'm not the only one still holding out.

>>376275736
There is actual missing and altered content in Revelations. It's a shame there's no option for original music in the remaster, but it's not worth missing out on the improvements.

someone spoiled the sequel's plot twist for me and it killed any motivation i had to ever play it

>>376284656
There's a mod that restores most of the music

>>376284678
Which one there's like 20.

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>>376265390
HELL YEAH MOTHERFUCKER

>>376275765
Please don't insult Argilla that way.

>>376284867
the one where it's basically the same twist as star ocean 3

>>376285068
That's more a plot twist for the first game, since it's revealed about an hour into the sequel.

>>376284080
>Has anyway played Caligula? Want to play it because of him.

it's okay (so far, beat first boss) but man the battle system is a mess. Skill points are shared among the party. The music gets FUCKING ANNOYING

I dropped DDS in the sewers because I wasn't enjoying the sheer number of random battles and I missed fusing demons rather than using the mantra grid. Did I make a huge mistake?

>>376285068
>Title is DIGITAL DEVIL SAGA
>whatttttt the world is a digital one
really gets the noggin joggin

>>376285068
What you are referring to is strongly hinted at in the first game, you comparing it to SO3 at all just means you don't really know anything about it though so it's not like knowing something is up is the end of the world.

>>376267731
I dunno why people never mention satan in DDS2, that fight is completely retarded with how you have to prepare for it

>>376284521
I keep tweeted the translator dude. All he says is its in "editing". This was in late November

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>>376285576
This is the hardest fight in DDS.

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>>376285840

>>376285576
It's no different than Demi-fiend in DDS1 in terms of preparations.
It's arguably harder though because it follows an extremely rigid pattern where a single thing going wrong spells almost immediate death. Satan does NOT fuck around.
Demi-fiend just kills your party if you fuck up majorly.

>>376281376
This dungeon made me love Estoma. I was level 99 at the end with it too.

>>376286275
>Demi-fiend just kills your party if you fuck up majorly.
Demi-Fiend kills you regardless of what you do like 98% of the time. His fight is just completely retarded and based majorly on chance.
I'd say Satan is easier simply by virtue of you being able to kill him on over half your attempts as long as you don't make any mistakes and count damage/turns properly.
Both are pretty silly fights though

>>376265390
IVA is the best one

>>376286901
Demi-fiend is definitely not based on chance. He actually has a specific order and sets of conditions for his actions. Every set amount of turns, his Pixie casts Dormina, followed by him casting Gaea Rage. First time he hits half HP or below, Pixie fully heals him and the rest of the party. If any of your party has a passive skill that influences their weaknesses in any way aside from Resist skills (I think), Demi-fiend will wipe the party with Gaea Rage.
Pixie herself also has an internal counter that ticks down each turn until she uses...I forgot exactly which skill it is, but I think it's Recarmdra? Even the demons Demi-fiend summons come out in a pre-set, unchanging order so you know what to prepare for.
The only element of randomness in the fight is which skills Demi-fiend and his party will use and how often, aside from scripted segments.

Satan is similar, only he's far more scripted and, despite this, far more dangerous due to hammering you with shit like Mamudoon and Charm spells. Oh, and the constantly-changing affinities.

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>>376286967
My man.

>>376287186
Is it true he takes over an hour to defeat, even if you are fighting him correctly?

>>376287186
That doesn't change the fact that you need to hope to get hit by a ton of Dorminas to survive Gaea and then pray you wake up quickly enough to set up for the next part. If he likes to he can also just say fuck you and crit you to death with his absurdly high crit chance or fuck you over with his AoE Panic I think it was.
There is just an incredible amount of bullshit that needs to go your way to be able to defeat him, the odds are much more in your favor on Satan.

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>>376286967
>shit dungeons (aside from YHVH dimension)
>shit girls (rocking bodies though)
>assist is inherently shit

I like Smirk, affinities, the bros (Dagda included) and the gods, but dude

>>376287490
Demi-fiend? Yeah, took me about an hour or so to actually beat him. That's excluding failed attempts though.
As for Satan? Dunno, but most likely. I never actually beat Satan, but I came close a couple of times.

>>376287496
Well, Luck influences ailment application chances so you can increase your chances of being put to sleep by deliberately not maxing your Luck stat. It's actually recommended to max all but Luck. I'm also pretty sure that being attacked automatically wakes you up when you're sleeping, but I may be wrong. I'm not denying that Demi-fiend can be ridiculous, but I think Satan is worse.

>>376287490
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb3nIH7E9Z0

>>376287617
I remember being excited when I heard Nozomi would be a partner, since a Tokyo denizen hunter getting to properly show off their skills sounded fun. The snippets in IV were pretty cool, even if she was generally a liability

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>>376265390
i just dont like the demon design of the cast like what the hell is this
>tits mouth demon. every mans dream

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>>376288024
>i just dont like the demon design of the cast
What? DDS is Kaneko's best work.

>>376287784
>I'm also pretty sure that being attacked automatically wakes you up when you're sleeping,
This honestly just sounds like you haven't tried Demi-Fiend, otherwise you'd remember that the entire strategy revolves around Null Sleep which guarantees you have 100% evasion rate to absolutely everything while Sleeping. There is just an incredible amount of get lucky in that fight, it's absurd.

Satan took me like 5 or 6 tries to first kill, using a guide obviously, while Demi-Fiend must have easily been close to 100 attempts. Don't get me wrong, I think Satan is a much, much, better fight, mostly because it isn't just dumb luck in the end and you actually just need to play flawlessly.

>>376265390
>Games which flopped and made Atlus lose some employees

They probably never want to think about it

>>376287617
>she'll never make your homeslice bananacakes

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>>376273897
I had repressed this floor, why did you remind me?

>>376288150
Nah, you're right. I remembered that particular detail incorrectly. It's been a few years since I beat Demi-fiend.

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>>376288247
What about this one?

>>376288093
i know it just my personal preference

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>>376288024
>i just dont like the demon design of the cast

Irredeemably shit taste

>>376288351
sorry forgive me

>>376288351
Not that guy, but the basic attack animations for Cielo and Gale are dumb, I refuse to budge on this position.

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>>376288470
>Gale tap-dancing when he crits
>Bad

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>50/50 guesses lmao

>>376288470
>knife feet
>bad

>>376283167
THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO SURVIVE

>>376288470
>implying you'll ever see the basic attack animations

>>376288596
But you can't deny those AESTHETICS

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>>376288470
>he hates the Gale's leg knives

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>>376285840
>Finding a group of these in DDS2
They were so much easier to deal with holy shit

>>376288682
Gen 6 MegaTen is fucking atmospheric man

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>>376288556
>>376288597
>>376288670
>>376288697

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>>376273410
That's not Eridanus. Fuck that dungeon. Grus is lenient for me I don't know why.

I love Atlus!

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>>376288596
>filling out this map
>realize what it was
K I N O

>>376288908
The top map there is Eridanus
I've got no idea why that picture has both

>>376265796
PSN versions have major audio problems in cutscenes and is capped at 30fps unlike the original's 60 for some reason
Being stuck at 30 might not seem that bad, but it quickly becomes painful once you realize you take twice as long to walk down hallways than in the original

>>376265860
>another in 10 years
>the space between P3 and P4 was two years

Now that they have all the demons modeled to an acceptable level for PS3/4 they'll crank out P6 in two or three years.

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>>376288916

Yep,best RPG makers since Squaresoft's down fall,that's for sure.

>>376265860
>implying
Get ready for PQ2, Persona 5 Crimson with added Slinks, extra OC and Goro chapter, Persona 5 Arena series and Persona Dancing All Night

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>>376289934
>Persona 5 Arena series
I'm looking forward to this.

>>376289934
I'd play Persona Dancing All Night if it was with the entire series and not just 4, dancing was super important in 1 and 2 so it was a missed opportunity. And the final boss would be Black Mark

>>376290273
NG+ Shiva and Vishnu super boss when?

>>376290273
>spoiler
MADMAN

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>>376290273
>>376290396
Here's your superboss

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>>376290482
Here's your super boss.

>>376288024
It might be an anime reference

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>>376290482

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>>376290575
He can't even dance, what's he gonna do?

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>>376290627
Messiah Blast with Flynn is totally a dance move.

>>376290482
>>376290575
>>376290627
>>376290396
Just go to the maximum and make it a game where the forces of law and chaos from all across the multiverse battle with the power of dance

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>>376290627
Not so fast

I DONT WANNA TRY TO FIGHT THIS LOVE

>>376290776
>final boss
>YHVH turns into a golden disco ball
>this start playing:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Di5RLEAuU

>>376290776
Not the silliest thing to come out of SMT still. I'd be down for it.

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>>376290895
Didn't we already have this in Nocturne?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkTV2yz9nXQ

>>376290835
HOW DAN-GER-OUS
CAN IT BE?

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>Take Varuna's cool factor
>Take Varnani's tight demon ass
>Fuse them together
>You end up with this

What the fuck happened?

>>376282634
That teleporters maze at the end of Nocturne was fucking gay, the diet building also took me way too long and I can't remember if I had to look up what to do or if I just exhausted all possible choices.

Also I've still only played DDS2 and Nocturne, which other PS2 SMT games are worth it?

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>>376291239
Kaneko happened.

>>376291239
Seraph is for sexual.

>>376291283
All of them basically
Raidou 1's gameplay is pretty boring but the story is god-tier
Raidou 2's basically the opposite

>>376291283
Persona 3 and 4

The first DDS?

>>376291349
>Raidou 1's gameplay is pretty boring but the story is god-tier
Not that anon, but redpill me on Raidou. All I know are aspect ratio posts, doesn't it use the turn press but in an action based system?

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>>376291512
There's no press turn it's just an action game, but it's shitty. Demons do have special abilities that you use outside of battle to help you get items or info from npcs though

>>376291512
It's an action game. I have no idea how Press Turn could be translated to an action based system, so I'm confused about how you think that.

It's just got really simple combat and isn't very exciting. The sequel improves the game in tons of ways.

>>376291512
Think Kingdom Hearts but slower

>>376291512
It's basically mash X to win for the most part
You can load your gun with elemental bullets and if you hit a demon's weakness it gets stunned for a little bit and other attacks deal more damage
You summon demons who stand there and shoot spells

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>>376274481
>tfw you draw out and label an entire dungeon in eo

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>>376265390
>DDS1's superboss was Demifiend
>DDS2's was just Satan

>>376287289
can you do a mating press on this person in smt4a?

>>376291715
You color the floor under doors right?

>>376291863
u kno it

>>376291892
Good man

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>>376292027
now i gotta start up eou2 again
lost all my data when my old 3ds got bricked so i have to start all over again, this is going to be good

>>376291741
>just Satan
Satan is a hardcore fucker.
>>376291623
I heard the sequel was the only one with a dodge roll. You're telling me they never thought of any evasive movements when designing the first ARPG?

>>376292160
Yep, as has been said before, you don't play Raidou 1 for the combat
You play it for how batshit crazy it gets

>>376292160
Dodge rolls are unrealistic.

>>376292287
You telling me that Raidou motherfucking Kuzunoha cannot dodge roll?

>>376292260
All I know is the mainline reference and /m/ battleship made out of souls.
Sounds rad.
>>376292287
>unrealistic
>in a game where you summon demons and can somehow beat the shit out of gods by yourself

>>376292450
>All I know is the mainline reference and /m/ battleship made out of souls.
Aw shit which games? I should probably play 1 and 2 beforehand.

>>376292624
It references the first two SMTs near the end pretty heavily
As long as you know the basics of what happens in those games you should be fine

>>376292683
Thanks bud.

>>376292448
He might break his summon tubes

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>>376265390

>Tfw you still haven't finished part two because you refuse to move on until demi fiend is dead

No matter how many times I try something always goes horribly wrong just as the pixie goes oom....

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I just got Toki in 4A

is she prone to stealing my turns like that cunt Gaston is?

>>376292935
She's prone to stealing entire fights with her instakill

>>376292976
but seriously is she going to jump in and take my turns

>>376292448
He doesn't need to. He's a true kendou master, dodge rolling is for weak twinks that cannot stand their ground

>>376293029
shes going to jump in and take your heart

>>376293029
No
Take the thirty fucking seconds it takes to find out in the game instead of asking here

>>376293149
fuck no

I'm going to buy another game and start a "what am I in for" thread just to spite you

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>>376268457
>no Maken X
Boo

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>>376293287
I heard Maken X was a shit game but the character designs were fucking neao

>>376293192
why don't you buy all the SMT games and make "what am I in for" threads for each of them hotshot? ball's in your court

>>376293352
The Dreamcast game was pretty okay, had an odd control scheme.
The PS2 remake was fucking abysmal though

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>>376293115
Toki is for love.

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>>376293626
>love

>>376265390
Im a Megaten fag and i still haven't played this because i had a shit copy that froze after the Camazotz boss.

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>>376293626
It felt really out of place for a smt game when Inanna was making her talk about bearing my kids, but good lord my dick

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>>376293626
Not enough fanart

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>>376293867
>Dagda apologists

>>376293626
Toki is for killing

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>>376294249
Delete this

>>376265390
It has an interesting premise, but it's overall too easy and unlocking mantras requires way too much ap. The only hard bosses in the game are Beelzebub and Demi-fiend. Beelzebub because everyone requires void death and you likely haven't had anyone besides one party member go down the death spell path. And Demi-fiend is a legit challange, but it requires you 1. play the game to near completion twice, 2. grind like a motherfucker and 3. abuse the incense drops, which you wouldn't know about unless you read a guide.

And the sequel is a fucking trainwreck of bad narrative and design choices.

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>>376294162
>He sided with his friends

>>376294162
>Adachi
>not siding with Dagda

>>376291341
SERAPH IS PURE

>>376281108
>yen
Wasn't it dollars in dds? I thought that game, at least the second one, took place in the U.S.

>>376295038
It was Macca in the first game, I fucked up.

Thanks for pointing it out for everyone.

>>376295038
It's macca in DDS.

>>376294475
Didn't the original writer for the story get sick during the production of digital devil saga 2?