So is Lucio ever going to get a real nerf or is he going to be

>>376251212
that has nothing to do with what I asked

>>376250985
They'd need to rework his abilities completely, as of right now he can only be overpowered or useless given his concept.

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>blizzard balance
>blizzard balance in a class shooter

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>>376250985
Is Junkrat really that low?

I've only ever played Overwatch casually but felt if someone (like a pro) could consistently land direct hits with his grenade launcher he'd just slaughter people

>>376252101
If you're good enough to consistently land shots, just play 76 who can both do it easier and at further range

>>376252101
Problem is he's so predictable against good players and can be easily outranged, his ultimate is also extremely easy to counter.

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>>376252101
>consistently
>Junkrat
The only thing Junkrat can consistantly do is be unreliable. That's not bad, because he can do a great job at controlling space and softening up squishies for pharah/genji/etc, but that depends on your team. Junkrat will always be a slot machine, sometimes you go broke, sometimes you break even, and sometimes you hit jackpot
>mfw junkrat on my team dives onto the payload in overtime with a riptire ready

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>>376250985
>that reaper usage

>>376250985
>Winston over Rein

What the hell happened here? Koreans?

>>376252445
>give a character shit range and no way to quickly close the distance
>surprise! he's shit!

>>376252614
dive comps, it's also why tracer and genji are used a lot. almost every first point features wintsons instead of reins now

>>376252625
>give another character decent distant range and amazing close range
>Give him a combo to kill over half the roster every 6 seconds
>Give him three times the health of his counter and a way to heal it all back

>>376252445
Just play roadhog :^)

anyone here want to duo up and play HotS for the rewards?

>>376252614
Winston's cooldown for bubble shield got reduced by quite a bit, meaning you can actually have a somewhat consistent shield now

>>376252875
you couldn't pay me to play HotS

>>376250985
I see a lot less Lucio these days even in diamond. A lot of people who weren't grandmasters actually favored his healing over his speed boost, and now they don't want to get close to help their team mates. They actually have to be able to get away rather than sitting back and seeing enemies come for them a mile away. Defense Lucio feels like he's been replaced by Mercy but I still see him on attack very often. This is all at the 3200 range though so fuck me.

>>376252875
yes i do

>>376253874
Rorschach#11913

>>376252101
Junkrat has never been good. You have to walk into his grenades to get hit and his ult can be undone by shooting at it.

Junkrat players will always bring up their gold damage when you ask them to switch, which they obtain by lobbing grenades at shields.

>>376253582
>I hate this videogame I won't try

>>376254027
>platinum players believe this

>>376251212
What the fuck are you even going on about

>>376250985
They need to add another healer, unless they want to remove the 2:2:2 bullshit and just go back to 3:2:1.

Reinhardt was the dominant tank until Orisa came along.

he's their token black, so no

>>376250985
>every single hero in the defense category is unviable garbage since the game came out

Torb, hanzo, mei, widow and junkrat are all underpowered and not viable and probably never will be given their core concepts

>>376250985
Even if his speed boost were just 10% Lucio will still be a near mandatory pick. Nothing trumps speed.
Not to mention he is also the best healer who can heal the entire team in a 30m radius at a combined rate that dwarfs the others.
Not to mention he is one of the most mobile and evasive characters with a powerful crowd control weapon.
Not to mention he has an Ultimate which is one of the best for a push/point defense/panic button.
Lucio is so overpowered in every way, it's disgusting. You'd have to change him on a fundamental level, alter his loadout, to make him not so blatantly better than the other Supports.

>>376254226
>Reinhardt was the dominant tank until Orisa came along.

And he still is?
What are you going on about?

Orisa is literally trash tier

>>376254226
>Reinhardt was the dominant tank until Orisa came along.
And he still is the dominant tank in any situation besides a dive comp. Orisa is pretty mediocre

>>376254389
>heal the entire team in a 30m radius
nerfed to 10m in the latest patch

>powerful crowd control weapon
it's pretty fucking weak, even with the buff

>>376254354
They aren't use a lot at tournament level of play, but you still see them used somewhat often in comp, even at gm level.

>>376254226
Orisa is absolutely awful though because she is the most selfish tank in the game.

She can't push because her shield is immobile, the pull thing is a minor nuisance on anything apart from Koth Illios Well and Route 66 1st point and you're picking between meme canister or fucking earth shatter which is a top 3 ult

>>376254716
I highly doubt there is a single torb player at the GM level, he's so outclassed by other damage dealers

>>376252101
Junkrat is great against newer players but anyone who knows how to play will not have much trouble from junkrat. He's good at depleting Reinhart's shield but other than that he's too unreliable to get anything done.

>>376254716
>They aren't use a lot at tournament level of play

And not viable usually means "not usuable in tournament play".

Balance should always be oriented at the top level

But you clearly notice that those heroes are a handicap even at lower levels compared to just picking the top tiers

>>376250985

No, because Lucio cannot be balanced. His speed boost is too good on top of everything else he does. Blizzard backed themselves into a corner with Lucio.

>>376254808
There is one top 500 torb, but the ingame ranked is in no way comparable with proper tournament play.

If someone is GM it doesnt mean he would go good in real tournaments, ranked online play is still way more random and less organized even at high ranks.

>>376254808

https://www.overbuff.com/players/pc/Fuey500-1558/heroes?mode=competitive

>>376254515
Unless they make another hero identical to Reinhardt he always will be, his kit is just way too useful. It's the same with Lucio, no one can do what he does and his kit is just way too useful to pass up, Blizzard keep trying to balance it but unless they make a complete change to his kit there's no way Mercy will ever be as useful as he is.

>>376250985
Read that as Lucario. Stop playing peecee FPS

>>376251512
Not him, but what you asked doesn't matter because Overwatch isn't a serious FPS.
Stuff like meta, nerfs and whatever else competitive related doesn't matter there.

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>>376255150

Feels good to know that you can pick Reinhardt and know that he's a safe pick. He's actually really fun when you can balance offense and defense.

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>>376251212
wtf

>>376254808
https://www.overbuff.com/players/pc/GATEKEEPER%C7%B6-1935?mode=competitive
Here you go.

>>376254963
I agree, but it would be difficult for Blizzard to balance the game that way because it would shit on the supposedly 20 mil player-base 90% of which are diamond or below. Most players can't even aim Pharah rockets correctly to hit a stationary Torb turret. A lot of players even now complain that Sym is overpowered because she is too difficult for them to shoot at.

Why are people playing Tracer? In more or less every game I've played she has been a wasted slot.

>>376256104
Literally one of the best dps characters in the game but also hard to play

>>376250985
As long as everybody's base movespeed is slow as molasses, he will be picked.

This game is so shit honestly. Hero design like Lucio, Reinhardt, Orisa and Bastion is unforgiveable.

The ultimate abilities shouldnt even be in the game.

>>376255364
I think Rein might be one of the most balanced Heroes in the game.

He's good at his role but not much else, without anyone to back him up he's useless, and unlike most other tanks he can actually help the team by soaking up damage while protecting the team.

>>376256193
>but also hard to play
Guess that's why. Since I'm not a pro and most people who are not pro are shit, characters like Tracer and Genji are just so pointlessly easy to counter.

>>376256253
>Orisa and Bastion instead of Zarya and Genji

????

Lucio and Reinhardt are also not partically "overpowered" in the traditional sense. But Blizzard is just so pants-on-head fucking retarded that they made their kits and their utility so unique that most teams just cannot do without them.

>>376256337
Rein is balanced, the problem is Overwatch's terrible map design that make him a near requirement. As it turns out most choke points are just the perfect size for Reinhardt's shield to cover it.

>>376256796
Its because i think they encourage a shitty kind of playstyle. its not fun to play nor play against.

Genji is fun to play, and a good player really gets rewarded. Zarya is more on the fence. Her ult is too easy, and barriers got too short of a CD.

>>376252101
That's a meme.

He's just a crutch hero for shitty players. Anyone with aim will play mccree.

>>376250985
Cant wait for the competive scene for OW to die.

They have literally no idea what the fuck they are doing and the only people that watch it are delusional wannabes.

>>376256871
True enough. The ability based gameplay in general doesn't really play all that well with an FPS I don't think, since it kinda forces you to only blow your load when your team can blow theirs and it sort of puts a stop to most flanking you can do. Doesn't help that the round times are so fucking short either so there's no room at all to experiment and you always need to be pushing with your team.

Might be different in pro games though I don't know.

>>376257000
Genji rewards bad players too with his stupidly strong and easy ult. The 0 cooldown instant dash resets are just fucking stupid and it's near impossible to counter unless you have a Lucio or Zen ult ready. Doesn't help that he can start dashing in before his voice line has even finished, so by the time you hear it coming it's already too late.

>>376255035
The only way to make lucio NOT a required pick is to make another hero that gives speed boosts in a different way.

Then again, look how Orisa turned out.

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>>376250985
>6 of the 9 least used heroes are all the """defense""" hereos
>the devs think this is alright
FUCK

>>376257000
>he thinks Genji is fun to play against

Orisa's playstyle isn't even anything to be upset about, she gets destroyed by flankers so easily it's not even funny. And half of getting "rewarded" as Genji is pressing E aka Genji's Reinhardt Shield.

>>376257241
They should just rename "Defense" to "Highly situational", which would be much more accurate. The core DPS heroes are the Offense ones (minus Sombra).

>>376257118
They should have made it a party game first and foremost sort of like TF2. But you gotta have that esports moolah or else it ain't worth doing these days.

>>376257229
Get shut down mostly without nano-blade and some sort of chain cc/def in my experience. Sure he can clear backline easy if you play against shit. Which you see alot of below 3k.

I see your point. It feels unfair if you play a squishy wihtout defensives and your team is clueless.

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>Bastion was he one everyone complained about in the game's earliest days
>He's now not used at all

They will never truly nerf Lucio.

They will change him, but that speed boost will always be there.

And as long as everyone in the game moves as slow as they do, speedboost will always be required in any game that matters.

>>376257330
Not even sure what the point of that is.

>shoot him
>he shields
>don't shoot him
>shoot him again and now he's dead because he can't do shit
Guess I've just never fought against a really good Genji.

>>376257757
Data is from pro games.

>>376257567
>below 3k
I'm in diamond, and even there he gets 2-3 picks every time for free when he presses Q. Especially the first push when Lucio and Zen don't have time to build their ults, and Genjis builds stupidly fast if you just hit a few cross map headshots.

>>376257757
People already figured out Bastion was low tier even back in Open Beta, which was why he was buffed after the beta.

>>376257757

I stopped playing just before his big changes.

So people don't use him?

>>376257897
People only pick him to be cheeky in a surprise push on payload maps, and it has been that way since after the first month of launch. His design always was trash and his revamp didn't help him in any way.

>>376257757
Blizzard's answer to balancing is to make the actual useful but OP heroes useless instead of making the useless heroes be able to counter the good heroes making sure there is even less point in picking the same hero over and over again.

Really makes me appreciate how well balanced(at least before all the new weapons and shit) TF2 is. You can pretty much pick any class you want and it will still be useful and help the team.

>>376257837
Clearly.

>>376258057
Pyro was fucking useless forever though, don't pretend he was good at anything but spychecking

>>376258325
First year or so I played regularly topped the scoreboard with him, and I was generally a pretty mediocre player.

Gotta play smart as him, and not be too reliant on the flamethrower. Though I will admit he was one of the weaker classes.

>>376258057
TF2 actually suffers from extremely similar design flaws except for Sniper being somewhat playable. Heavy, Pyro, and Spy are all complete shit and only even useful in extreme edge cases. There's a reason that 6v6 went full Smashtard when it came to what classes got played and how.

>>376258491
Heavy was just pointlessly easy to fuck shit up as though, and bring along a medic and you've just won the game. Pyro was weak but still more than playable, Spy I admit I didn't play a huge amount but he was pretty damaging for the defense. A well placed backstab could quite easily fuck things up for the other team.

> There's a reason that 6v6 went full Smashtard when it came to what classes got played and how.
Maybe, but playing TF2(and Overwatch for that matter) die hard competitively is pretty retarded since neither game works well in that area.

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>>376250985
As long as there's a best healer, that healer will always be top picked.

>>376259001
>tfw the dedicated healer that can only heal is the worst healer
How do you fuck things up that bad?

>no AOE unlike Lucio
>no ranged healing+CC+AOE unlike Ana
>no DPS or debuffs unlike Zen

>>376252432
>riptire
>they shoot it
>timer runs out
>we lose

>>376250985
until they had a hero with movement abilites for his team

and no sym doesnt count

>>376259859
nice gold shitter
>Concussion blast ontop of the payload
>immediately rip it in the middle of the crowd
>set it off immediately
>kill 4 people
>he finish off rein
>everyone was watching from respawn
>game over
I thought most of /v/ was at least in diamond

>tfw one game off masters but just can't get that last win

Switched over from PS4 a few months back so can't complain on how decent I've gone. People who say PS4 players will struggle to make plat on PC have no idea what they're talking about.

Never played shooters on M+K before and doubt I can go back to a controller.. dunno how I've been going all these years.

>>376250985
Isn't that old data?

>>376257020
>Anyone with aim will play mccree.
*Soldier 76 or Widowmaker

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>>376257757
In the beta he actually had a Reinhardt shield from the front which was bullshit

I'm guessing now, after nerfs as well, people have learned the maps and learned how to flank him

>>376250985
Assuming this is the most recent chart in terms of character usage, what happened to Winston that he's ranked 4th and why no one ever uses McCree?

>>376260632
This is the most recent update

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>>376257862
lol

>>376256481
Good Tracers are a fucking menace, her guns do hideous amounts of damage and when you react to her attack she's already gone. Get a hit in? She will just rewind back and continue being a supreme asshole.

But yeah, getting to that level really requires skill and bad Tracers die so fast that it's not even funny.

>>376250985
there is no way reaper is that low, he destroys KotH

>>376263402
Pro teams would just focus him before he can do any damage

>>376260897
Why use McCree when Soldier 76 is an option?

>>376260897
There is nothing Mcree can do that Soldier can't do better.

>>376257356
>reaper is so under used that people forget he exists

>>376264120
Reaper is still used in non-tournament play.

>>376252101
hitscans are broken compared to projectiles

Do you guys think the incoming soldier damage nerf will make a Mcree resurgence?

>>376264461
Slightly but not much. Soldier is picked more for his utility and versatility than just the damage.

>>376250985
every time i see this chart even if its weeks apart the tiers are drastically different
why the fuck is blizzard so bad at balancing? are these charts accurate? i dont play the game, i just notice that people are always bitching about different characters all the time

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>>376252432

>>376258489
This argument can be used for every single Overwatch character, assuming you actually have played the game and know what you're talking about

>>376264542
Except Soldier was shit when his damage wasn't high.

>>376264593
always gotta love Junkrat. No other character can beat him when he's doing his job

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>>376264593
>console
Ahahahahahah

>>376264461
>soldier damage nerf
>20 to 19
>nerf
Is more like a slight adjust than anything.

>>376257356
Sombra should be under support anyway. Her actual offensive presence is ass and her kit is all about assisting others in getting kills.

>>376265406
That would be problematic, because the retarded playerbase takes labels way too seriously, and they would pick Sombra instead of actual supports because "Blizzard says she's a support". They should just ditch those labels altogether, because they are mostly wrong anyways and some heroes fall into more than one role.

>>376265554
Like how it annoys me that Symmetra is lumped in with the healers so you get retards that go "We don't need another healer, Symmetra counts as one!"

No she fucking doesn't.

>>376260710
McCree is still better for higher level players since his TTK is faster, also 76 got nurfed on PTR.

>>376265406
She is attack (reminder that DPS isn't an actual category) because she was designed to wreak havoc in the backline hacking health packs, supports and getting stealth kills.
But that didn't worked to well with her "here I am" voice line and all her pre-buff cooldowns.

>>376265741
>Team picks Symmetra and Lucio
>Pick Zen
>DUDE WE DON'T NEED THREE SUPPORTS

If Symmetra is a support, then so is Torb and Zarya. Symmetra is as much of a Defense hero you can get.

>>376265554
People already treat her as a secondary healer. They sure as fuck don't pick her for her DPS.

>>376265929
Or her pathetic gun spread, which makes her useless at everything but point blank range.

>>376265741
but anon that 25 shields tho totally a healer

>>376266051
you try firing an Uzi with arms as skinny as hers, it'd spread like mad for you too

>>376265996
No one should pick her in her current state, period. She is just horribly balanced and doesn't contribute anything worthwhile to any team comp that some other hero couldn't do much better.

>>376266089
She doesn't have that ability anymore.

>>376265950
>pick ana
>some fag picks either hanzo or widowmaker
>"TOO MANY SNIPERS!"
Thanks, game.

>>376266152
>Muh realism

>>376261475
>bastion not wrecking shit at bronze
I am dissapoint.

>>376266089
they changed that a long time ago. They gave her a shield ability and a alternative shield generator ult. which as solidified her as a defense character not a healer even more

>>376250985
Nerf him by creating a new hero that seriously outperforms lucio

>>376252101
his slow grenades are obvious from a mile away. the only time he can "consistently" kill is when he jumps literally into people's faces and uses his grenades like a shotgun. but once he has done that he has lost anyway, he won't survive in the middle of the enemy team

His only good offensive tool is the concussive blast since it's a fast huge 150 damage aoe. Literally only time I die to junk is when someone else has damaged me and he presses shift in my direction

>>376266051
What I hate the most is the long delay she has when getting out of her camouflage.
If that should be cut in half and it wouldn't matter that her gun has high spread.

>>376266253
Bronze shitters love DVa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfbRXGePhfU

>>376266253
I think what most Bronze players can't handle is movement so it makes sense that Bastion is probably the only thing they can hit with his huge as hitbox. You also need to be able to quickly aim to use Bastion effectively.

>>376251671
This pretty much.

Also
>2017
>playing overwatch

>>376266371
the thing is I think Blizzard is terrified of having a "spy" character in their game. the thing about the spy is that he could be pretty fucking annoying in TF2 and they want to make sure Sombra isn't that annoying. They don't want to make her camouflage actually good or her stealth hard to detect because they fear having a good stealth character

>>376252786
Roadhog is one of the worst designed heroes ever made, compare him to the rest of the cast and especially Reaper like you do and it's just stupid. OW will always be called unbalanced on /v/ and Roadhog is one of the main reasons for it since he's a tank that is a better assassin than any of the actual damage heroes.

>>376266450
I play dva in GM and have had multiple people call me an aimbot. I love me some dva, but then again I'm not complete shit.

>>376250985
Casual QP-fag here, why isn't Sombra used more in pro/high level play?
To the naked/unexperienced eye looks like a good harasser with a lot of potential when executing one of those ultimate-chains.
What are her problems exactly?

>>376260710
>playing Widowmaker
1) Ana exists.
2) Blizzard literally just released a map (Oasis) where Widow literally can't use her toolkit. And people who play the game defend this shit.

>>376266450
That's some super shitty slow reaction time. I could only blame high ping

>>376266827
Play her and try killing anyone and you'll see fairly quickly why

>>376266827
Her gun is a pea shooter and HEY ITS ME SOMBRA ruins any chance of "stealth"

>>376266827
Her damage is worse than Genji or Tracer, so she's not effective at harassment.

Her health pack hacking is annoying at worse but almost every comp team runs two healers so it isn't a big deal at all.

Her player hacking is pathetic since it's blocked by shields and stopped by even 1 damage

Her stealth is awful, she's easier to hear coming that a Genji or Tracer and her "get out of jail" ability has a time limit.

Her ult is her only good feature but not good enough to play her.

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>>376250985
What happened to Zarya? Wasn't she the GOAT at some point? I haven't played in months

>>376267140
Nerfed ult build rate and energy drains faster so it's hard to keep full energy

>>376266827
her spread is huge past point blank and has an RNG component to its bullet spread in general.

She's not made for actual combat, you annoy people slightly with your inaccurate tickle gun, build Ult very fast by hacking health packs then EMP. If you're engaging as Sombra without EMP, you're probably doing it very wrong.

>>376266827
It takes too much effort for her to hack tanks to get down barriers when Soldier+Roadhog does it in 2 seconds and then bursts down everyone with their retarded high damage. I think that without those two heroes she would make more sense.

There's a top 50 player that mains Sombra, she really isn't bad by herself, just compared to other heroes. You need to have near perfect tracking to deal good damage and kill people, and you need to always be at the right place at the right time to utilize her right.

I love playing as her but I know that I can just go Soldier, put in 1/10 of the effort I put in as Sombra and do way more work.

>>376257020
>>376254812
But that's the problem, Junkrat can get kills with literally zero skill that would require actual effort on the part of almost any other character besides Bastion or Reaper, which makes the game less fun and more anger inducing. Where others have to aim Junkrat can just face somebody and press LShift to instantly kill them, or just stand at the other side of a corner holding Mouse1. And yes I am aware OW involves little skill as it is, I'm saying Junkrat actually takes EVEN LESS if you can imagine that.

>>376267236
Nah, she was still being used after her nerf, pro players don't have a problem with energy. What happened is jump comps with Winston and DVA got super popular for pro players.

>>376267140
they nerfed her, her energy sustain is fucking terrible ever since the firestrike change
but tanks in general arent very good at this point, shed probably be fine if genji/tracer werent so cancer

>>376266450
i feel bad for little kids :^(

>>376266827
She's used decently in dive comps, usually to initiate a dive with her EMP, but other than that there's nothing she can do that someone else can't do better.

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>>376266450

God some of these hit too close to home

>Nanboost Dva
>She then ults
>mfw

>>376267112
>>376267118
>>376267332
>>376267353
>>376267540

I see.
I got paired against a coordinated group once where Sombra EMP'd out of nowhere then everyone shoot their ult thick loads all over us and there was nothing we could do, it was pretty cool. She also harassed everyone behind us quite decently, but I admit a Tracer can pose more of a threat when played properly.
I guess all this shit only works sometimes when playing vs uncoordinated/unexperienced fags.

Why doesn't Lucio's self heal stop when he takes damage like Mercy? It would make perfect sense, he's already slippery as fuck if you're good with him. Any character that don't have high burst have to spend an eternity shooting at him for no good reason while he pumps out AOE heals for his team and himself without effort. His design is stupid

>>376267752

Difference is while Sombra can harass the backline Tracer can just annihilate it. Instead of annoying the Mercy and making her run Tracer will have her dead in 1 second.

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>playing Sombra when Tracer exists
>playing Widowmaker when Ana exists
>playing Pharah when Junkrat exists
>playing McCree when Soldier exists
>playing Orisa when Reinhardt exists
>playing Mercy when Lucio exists
>playing Reaper when Roadhog exists

>>376266827
because you have better alternatives aka overpowered hitscans
if mccree and 76 were balanced shed 100% be to go-to flex pick on certain maps, shes fairly good just very difficult to fit into a comp because she doesnt really have great synergy with any specific character and her hack is kinda limp-dick compared to defense matrix or zarya bubble which fill a similar dive-assist role
korea has actually been using her fairly effectively despite that anyway though, if you want to see good sombra play watch their tournaments

>>376267874
>playing Widowmaker when Ana exists
I'd like to get gud as Ana, should I be more aggressive and not heal as much or what? I thought her main role was healing.

>>376267874
>playing Pharah when Junkrat exists
did you get those two backwards?

>>376268165
The only reason to use Widow over Ana is her grapple, and of course Blizzard fucked that up as pointed out by >>376266838 as well as a cooldown that's like 3x all of the instakill moves

>>376268165
Ana's main roll is healing, but there are situations that you need to bust out the aim and do some damage and forcing a Widow to go find some healing is one of them.

>>376267854
>>376267752
a big difference between her and tracer is range. Sombra actually has kinda okay range compared to her. And she can weave up and down from high ground constantly with the lower cooldowns on translocator, and high ground means nearly all shots are headshots. she shouldn't be spending all her time harassing unlike tracer. she is also pretty good at dealing with pharahs if you track well and surprise her.

again you could just play soldier but he's boring and broken.

>>376268165
This was kinda true back when Ana had good dps, now he's just memeing.

Widowmaker is super strong in the right hands, problem is the only thing you need to shut her down completely is a Winston.

>>376252445
What happened to Reaper?

I haven't played for a few months but back then he seemed pretty balanced and fairly commonly picked in comp

>>376268617
He's too easy to shutdown and his escape options just aren't good enough most of the time.

>>376268617
his sole purpose a few months ago was being nanoboosted by ana while using death blossom. Back when nanoboost provided a speed boost it would make him into a giant sphere of death darting around the room.

it's probably the worst OW has been meta wise. every pro match was about teamwiping with beyblade combo first. then you had the point untilt he opposing team wiped you, then it went back and forth like that until somebody won. it was an absolute joke.

>>376268617
Because you can kill just as fast with 76 or Mccree except from 3x as far.

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>>376268294
Nope.

>>376268754
>Back when nanoboost provided a speed boost it would make him into a giant sphere of death darting around the room.
That sounds fucking hilarious

>>376268781
I lost SR just reading this post

>>376268754
>it's probably the worst OW has been meta wise
Second-worst. It was still more interesting than fucking quad tank vs. quad tank bullshit.

>>376250985
>Blizzard can't balance WoW for shit
>Well lets give SC2 a chance

>Blizz can't balance SC2 for shit
>Well lets give Diab.. HotS.. WoW? a chance

>Blizzalance can't into but I hear there's a new game called Overwatch..

WHAT DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN IT'S BEEN OVER A DECADE THIS IS YOUR FAULT FOR EXPECTING THEM TO NOT BE SHIT AT THIS.

>>376268617
he is balanced, thats why he isnt picked

>>376254071
Nah, it's a MOBA. You've played one, you've played them all. I don't have to try Dota if I've tried League and Hated it because they're the same thing. HoTS is no different

>>376268991
During the beyblade shit people were still running triple tank, it was the only hope they had of maybe enduring death blossom. then reaper got unviable because the combo wasn't broken anymore, and people discovered that no hero really counters tanks properly so why not just play as many tanks as possible

Blizz is slowly nerfing tank damage output thankfully. Roadhog should never have existed in the first place, and a big issue is that the tanks have the best ults in the game by far for team wiping.

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>>376250985
Mercy buff when?

>>376269321
How would you buff her?

>>376269049
SC2 if fairly balanced right now, though the game's been out for 6 years now that's not exactly a accomplishment

>>376269321
what does she even need. she is designed so that even bad players can contribute. it's stupid to make characters that don't have to put much effort in to be as effective as characters that kinda needs some skills.

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>>376269321
Never, she's fine as she is right now.

>>376269483
>its balanced but they still do major balance changes and people froth at the mouth about adepts still

SC2s shit on a stick.

>>376269586
>dat ana graph

truly the mark of a skill-based character

>>376269321
She's good as she is now. An E ability would be nice though.

>>376269648
Adepts are only OP when combo'd with Phoenix vs Terran, and even then it's possible to beat and the meta seems to be shifting towards a turtle style Terran to deal with it

>>376269321
Give mercy and 'E' ability that gives a AoE heal with a super long cool down. Boom, she's actually the best healer like she should be

>>376269068
Oh, fair enough

For now I will let Mei be the deciding factor if I play Roadhog or Reaper. While Roadhog might be damn good most of the time, if there's a competent Mei I usually get fucked. However almost everything about Reaper is a hard counter to Mei

>>376270339
lul, any good Mei will just plant icicles into his skull from a range and stop his escape with her wall. If you meet a Mei dumb enough to go close and attempt to freeze him Reaper will win.

>>376266645
>not making a character pottentially good because shitter wouldn't handle it.
Blizzard gentlemans

>>376269431
Give her some ridiculous healing rate. Like, enough to negate continous fire from a sentry mode bastion.
This way she can easily keep the whole team maxed (as long as she has awareness) and the main heal target is really hard to put down, she needs to be targed first.

>>376270921
That would make Mercy so OP it can't even be put into words

I'm glad you don't work for blizzard

>>376270473
It depends. If reaper can aim and land head shots, he will fuck mei everytime.

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If Junkrat is so bad because he uses projectiles and his grenades are easy to dodge then why is pic related so good in TF2?

>>376271118
Sticky Grenades. Sticky jumping. The normal pipes are also faster and do ridiculous amounts of damage.

>>376271118
Stickies

>>376271117
headshots don't mean shit if mei keeps her distance

>>376271118
pipes shoot way faster and stickies are better than anything junkrat has

med to long range hitscan classes also aren't a big part of tf2, there's nobody with the long range killing power of soldier or mcree in tf2

>>376271118
Hero tool sets are different. More heroes like reaper, pharah, and soldier who shit on him.

>>376271118
In addition to what everyone else has said, Junkrat plays in a game where a quarter of the cast has barriers.

>>376270473
Why would you ever be caught at range with anyone as Reaper unless you're just picking off someone at 10% health?

>>376271572
Hold on, isn't busting barriers the only thing he's good at?

>>376271767
Sure but busting barriers means he's not busting people so you have retarded Junkrats thinking they're awesome for having gold damage when all of it has been on barriers.

Especially when there's a character who gets stronger the more Junkrats shoots her barriers.

>>376271970
He's decent at nullifying enemy Reinhards tho

>>376271746
Reaper is too bad at closing in usually. And few maps let him move into flanking positions unnoticed. This is why he is considered he so useless, since any good teams will be on the lookout for slow, noisy Reaper if they know the enemy team got one.

Mei's strongest map is Hanamura and Reaper has NO way to flank on that map.

>>376271117
>my shots will do 8 damage at range instead of 2 if I aim well!

this is why no one plays reaper

>just cucked a Mei out of her Ult double kill by Resing a McCree right before I got frozen and all those i-frames outlasting the freeze

Mei can go kill herself.

>>376272159
>Mei's strongest map is Hanamura and Reaper has NO way to flank on that map.
Fair point

The choke on that first point is especially retarded

>>376260714
>In the beta he actually had a Reinhardt shield from the front
Never played the beta, this sounds fun yet incredibly OP. Good thing it's removed though.

>>376265276

What job? This is console gameplay

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>>376275087
And Overwatch is a console shooter.

>>376272317
The point is to be close my man

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>this game still doesn't have custom maps and more than 6v6 matches

>>376275928
>be close
>get raped because he has 250 health, no damage mitigation, and the shittiest "escape" move in the game

>be in Plat rank
>pushing payload
>kill whole team except the Lucio
>die in the process
>watch from killcam retard teammates unable to kill the Lucio bouncing around the cart
>he contests long enough for the defenders to get back

Literally all they need to do is nerf the radius on Ana's grenade and everything would be balanced. Rollback the nerf to her damage if you want. There were zero problems until they buffed the grenade radius, because now you can just chuck it anywhere on the point and you'll get everyone.

>>376264593
>console

senpai....

>>376266450
some of these are actually super cute

>>376276925
>Console shooter

NANI!?

>>376276769
It would go back to a Lucio/Zen meta. The problem will always be the shitty hardcounter design. Characters that have a higher solo survivability in fights seem to always be higher.

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>>376252101
For junkrat, you always have to angle your shots perfectly and predict the area where your opponent wil go if you want to be good with him. A good junkrat is a god send, but mostly its a shitty player and just doesnt manuver well with him