They really had no fucking idea what to do with him after

Surprise!! Lawboy

>>376250103
Dual Destinies and Spirit of Justice did a good job with him though.

>>376250103
Is the black part of his clothing or does he have comic book shading?

>>376250295
>Dual Destinies and Spirit of Justice did a good job with him though.
Are you fucking kidding me?
>Dual Destinies
O fug im edgy now because my best friend I've never talked about before is dead :DDDDD i will never bring this up again btw
>Spirit of Justice
Did I mention my surrogate dad is a terrorist from a foreign country and my surrogate brother is a famous prosecutor? Also they're both so important to me that I'm going to stay in their country and revolutionize their law system, also even though I've only taken on dumb cases that Phoenix Wright could solve in his sleep I'm somehow a good enough lawyer to both beat him in court and beat a queen prosecutor who can literally rewrite the law as I'm facing off against her!

>>376250893
Do you realize how often this applies to the series? There are A LOT of characters and plot points that are never brought up again, a lot of backstories that are created out of thin air, and a lot of "underdog beats the establishment" stories.

>>376250103
Probably because the original writer wasn't involved with Dual Destinies and Spirit of Justice.

>>376251207
For Apollo it makes no sense though. It might make sense if he was the sole protagonist of games 5 and 6, but he wasn't. They had to shoehorn in Athena and Phoenix as protagonists for some stupid reason. His character arc is random and disjointed as a result, and what he does at the end of Spirit of Justice does not feel earned at all.

>>376251558
>character arc is random and disjointed as a result

For Spirit of Justice, no it's not. For DD his role isn't as significant but his story is not "random and disjointed".

>what he does at the end of Spirit of Justice does not feel earned at all

Sure it does. Even if we ignore all the previous cases he worked on, he still had to put in a lot of work and go through a lot of shit to conquer that last case. It was far from unearned. You're forgetting that Phoenix took down Von Karma, a super powerful undefeated prosecutor, in four cases. He literally started as a total rookie and ended up defeating the most powerful prosecutor in the land, in one game. One game. And then in the bonus case he took down the chief of police. This is not a series where realism applies.

>>376252182
>You're forgetting that Phoenix took down Von Karma, a super powerful undefeated prosecutor, in four cases. He literally started as a total rookie and ended up defeating the most powerful prosecutor in the land, in one game.
And it feels more believable because he's the protagonist the entire time. Apollo has one case in Spirit of Justice, which is a bog-standard Phoenix Wright case, then he jumps from that to the fucking insane roller-coaster nonsense finale.
>And then in the bonus case he took down the chief of police.
Well, Yamazaki was responsible for that and Spirit of Justice

Also, what the fuck was with the rakugo case? Why was that thrown in? It had nothing to do with anything.

>Spirit of Justice fags still insisting their game is good even though the honeymoon is over
Fuck off.

Dual Destinies and Spirit of Justice were absolute crap, OP. Get over it. Retards will defend them, but they're the worst entries in the main series. The clown case in Justice for all is better than the entirety of DD and SoJ.

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>>376255029
This is correct.

>>376255029
>Dual Destinies and Spirit of Justice were absolute crap, OP. Get over it.
Why are you telling me to get over it when I agree with you?

Are DD and SoJ worth playing? Doesn't matter to me if they're worse than the other games, they're all fun.

AAI2 > T&T > PW > AJ > JFA

>>376256378
If AAI2 is your favorite game in the series, then yes, you'll probably like them.

>>376256378
DD is alright and SoJ is great.

In my opinion at least.

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>>376256378
Go play AAI1 fag
They're all "good" and you'll like them if you're a fan of VNs, but DD has a kinda fucked premise desu senpai

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>>376256378
Don't forget about the crossover.

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>>376257029
>Ace attorney gameplay with a layton ending
The best

You know what i really appreciate about the new games?

No Mia. Mia annoyingly knows too much. I feel compared to her whether its Apollo, Phoenix or Athena, none of them feel like they got ahead of the answer way before you.

>>376250103
1) His game got hijacked by Phoenix due to Capcom's meddling, so he never got proper development in the first place.
2) The writers changed after AJ

>>376250295
Dual Destinies was okay, but SoJ just traded his POS family for another POS family. Dhurke is an awful foster father that puts his blood family before Apollo at just about every step of the way, and his big "saving Apollo from drowning in the mountain" moment was his fault in the first place. He took Apollo there so that he could get his magic orb and then go right back to Khurain. He endangered both Apollo's life and Maya's life.

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>It's a "I only like the original game the rest are garbage because reasons" episode

Pic related, your taste

But what about playing Ace Attorney, ONLINE? Roleplaying improv cases completely created by players, with every character in the series being playable.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13DDwBcpxQp3p7AQDSLLf6TysJTsDr_EbypQs45zHZ-4/edit
It's lots of fun please join our server

>>376257316
But we're giving the reasons, anon. If you prefer the newer games, make your case_____.
>dude
>emotions replacing evidence and mom issues
>lmao

>>376255029
>>376254496
Christ I'm glad people are coming around to how shit SoJ is. GameFAQs still rides the game's cock

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>>376257418
I forgot to add an image, but heres a screencap from one of our cases.
Also there's some case recordings here twitch tv/toodamnsmug/videos/all

>>376257521
>emotions replacing evidence and mom issues

Literally the plot of AA1 if you replace mom issues with dad issues, you literally have Edgeworth's entire character

Face it faggot, you're just wearing rose goggles.

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I think SoJ succeeds because its the only game of the series where the Circus case its alright.

>>376257029
Unironically one of the best games of both series. Great character interaction, fun gameplay (though often easy), a couple tearjerkers handles suicide much better then SoJ and some good mysteries

>>376257418
>>376257551
I got super butthurt while playing as Inferno Cop the other day and promptly uninstalled. Not sure if I plan on reinstalling anytime soon.

>>376257705
6-2 is definitely the best and most solid case in SoJ by far, but AAI2 had the balls to revisit 2-3 and did pretty well.

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>>376257675
Edgeworth wasn't a batshit insane faggot teenager with a le ebin emotion necklace that doubled as a free lie detector, you nigger. Athena isn't even close to smug, either.

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>>376257526
>>376257774
>PW Layton crossover is good
>SoJ is bad

I knew /v/ was contrarian but come on lmao

SoJ>T&T>PWAA>=JFA>DD>AJAA

>>376257967
>I don't like it because teenagers

MUH TUMBLR HAIRSTYLE, FEELINGS? PEOPLE CAN'T HAVE THOSE. I VOTED TRUMP.

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>>376257969
>any game with layton in it
>bad

>>376258064
I too enjoy crossword puzzles with lazy writing 8 different times for full price

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Reminder Franziska deserved to get shot and that Shelly De Killer is /ourguy/

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>>376258026
>a literal redditor actually likes DD and defends athena's bullshit non-character
President of the United States, Donald J. Trump :^)

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>>376256543
I'll take that as a compliment, thanks.

>>376256839
Okie dokie then, thanks. Taking the plunge, hoping for the best.

>>376256947
I thought JFA's overarching plot was booty so I bet I can handle it.
I played through AAI on release but I've forgotten most of it, I need to replay it before ranking

>>376257029
Will look into this too, strange concept though. Come to think of it I should finish the second Layton trilogy as well.

>>376258064
first case is good
second case is good
third case didn't do a whole lot for me besides the ending i guess but i understand people liking.
fourth case is straight up bad. Only good part of that case is questioning the vigilantes and the framerate dies during this part

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>>376258213

>>376257029
My biggest gripe with this game is how much of a gigantic Gary Stu Layton is.

>>376258213
Athena has plenty of character though

You might not like said character but its definitively character.

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>>376257029
Don't remind me, I'm still frustrated by how hard they fucked up this.

>>376258064
The puzzles are good but holy shit the stories are nonsense.

>The magic works because nobody can see black and also everyone goes into a coma when a bell rings

>>376258026
>>376258213
>>376258332
You fags can fuck off now.

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>>376258396
Autism, screaming, and a free lie detector does not a character make. She's like Trucy but without introspection or an ounce of self-awareness.

>>376258213
>Bad taste in characters
>In games
>And in Ideology

Macron

Enjoy living in a third world country, burger.

>>376258468
Triggered amerilard lmfao

bash the fash white virgin neckbeard genocide now

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dual destinies had a couple good cases (DLC case and case 2) while all 5 of Spirit of Justice cases really good

>>376257418
If I don't know the memes will I get bullied for playing wrong

>>376258608
No, don't worry. Everyone is pretty kind to new players.

>>376258494
It absolutely a character makes.

>>376258608
yes

It's 4chan, which means it's guaranteed to be an elitist community gated by discord

>>376257029
They essentially took all the handholding Phoenix/Trucy/Klavier did in AJ and fused them all into one single character (Layton). It was seriously fucking annoying how he didn't let you figure out any single fucking thing on your own.

The best case was the Golden Court simply because Layton wasn't there. The ending of the final case was incredibly retarded, but in line with the endings of most Layton games. Overall it was pretty bad.

Olivia Aldente is a top tier semen demon though.

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>>376258754
>trucy
>handholding
I'd suggest replaying a case or two of AJ, trucy doesn't do anymore than Maya did in terms of how much help she'd give tbqh.

They had no clue for sure, but after SoJ I'm completely fine with him. He worked out well.

Honestly AA7 should be an Athena game to give her more depth too.

>>376259167
I would actually like an Athena game for the sole reason of seeing Athena getting into a catfight with Franziska Von Karma when she makes her return

>>376259049
During the start of the game Trucy explains more or less the gimmick of the game so that probably is what he is talking about.

Rank the gimmicks anon

Magatama>Logic Chess>Mood Matrix=Divination Seance>>>>>>>Perceive

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>>376259167
>an athena game
Nuh uh, no you don't. If she's in AA7 it better be to kill her off or at most to be a witness in one case, her emotion wheel of current year can't be allowed to continue.

>>376259395
>her emotion wheel of current year

what?

>>376259439
do not reply to /pol/

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>>376259379
I'm not sure if a tutorial should count, but whatever.
Logic chess > Magatama > Divination > Percieve > Power gap larger than your mom > "Mood" Matrix

>>376257315
>2) The writers changed after AJ

God dam, so that's why everything after AJ went to shit

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>>376259583
There's no need to be upset

>>376259634
>>376259379
speaking on a pure gameplay basis i hate Perceive.

There is no engagement to be had with it and it ends basically in glorified "Wheres Waldo" games looking for someone's sweaty armpits or demon hand.

>>376259686
You say that but AJ is far away the worst game in the series with a single good case

>>376259686
>after AJ
AJ is worse than the later games.

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>>376250103
>nobody cares in the first game
>proceed to give him 2 games worth of backstory
>All the characters related to him end up more interesting than Apollo

>>376259714
>take a stadium
>say it represents a certain amount of people
>doesn't take size of people into account

>>376259379
Perceive can be great when used correctly. Apollo catching the witness doing something related to the crime like Olga rubbing the back of her head where she was hit. It should've been like that every time.

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>>376259847
It's way better than DD on account of it not having athena's faggotry desu senpai.

>>376259928
Yeah most of the time it was something like
>I SAW YOU SWEAT THAT MEANS YOU KNOW MORE THAN YOU LET ON
and then Apollo magically understands the answer for some unexplained reason.

>Phoenix
>he was friends with edgeworth when he was a kid and had a batshit crazy girlfriend in college

>Apollo
>his mom was a magician('s assistant) who had a family full of asswipes and his assistant is his half sister and when he was a kid he ended up living in bumfuckistan where he was raised by the best defense attorney in the country and his adopted brother eventually ends up being his rival

>>376260043
It has the Gramaryes' faggotry which is even worse.

>>376259864

>Dhurke
>Interesting

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>>376259634
This.
The main issue with the Mood Matrix is that it's simultaneously braindead easy and ridiculously dumb.
There's no punishment for failure, meaning there's no reason not to just spam every option just to move on.
But if there was a punishment, I'd blow my fucking brains out, because some of the solutions are really non-intuitive, and there's so many possible choices every time.

They got close to making it work with Blackquill's testimony by having you alternate finding inconsistencies with Mood Matrix and breaking contradictions with Evidence, but the way they made you do so felt clunky.
Not to mention, the Mood Matrix has next to no presence in SoJ, so they felt no need to fix it.

If Athena really is the focus of AA7, I hope they take a good, hard look at the Mood Matrix to try and make it work. Finding emotional contradictions is a concept that's pretty great on paper, but it's just been awful.

>>376260043
It really isn't.

Make me choose between Athena and Klavier&Gramaryes and i'll pick Athena everytime.

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>>376250103
they played him completely wrong

>>376250103
>so what's his gimmick
>he screams a lot
>that's enough next character

>>376260170
more interesting than Apollo? absolutely.

>>376250103
they wanted to make him the new Phoenix
but fans wanted the real phoenix instead, so they sidelined him
its a shame really

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>>376260225
Or they could say it broke or something and go back to real evidence like in AA and AJ

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>>376260240
Good, then you can take your shit game and your reddit spacing back to whatever shithole you crawled out of.

>>376260389
I think its really funny you put AJ in the list because its the one game that started the whole evidence isn't everything ordeal.

>>376260510
>reddit spacing
I still don't understand this meme.

>>376260273
This. They did a good job making Phoenix a kind of likeable loser protagonist not seen in many adventure games at the time. His inner monologue and mannerisms were unique and relatable. For Apollo it felt like they just copied a generic VN protag, put him in a red suit and said "fuck it, good enough".

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>>376260636
There's nothing to understand. If you want to start a new line of text, you press enter once. If you want to let everyone know you're a pretentious faggot piece of shit with bad taste in video games and presidents, press enter twice and make sure to not attach an image.

Godot was a shitty prosecutor who didn't even try to win the cases. HUEHUE COFFEE COFFEE COFFEE HUEHUEHUE

>>376260510
wew, nice arguments.
Athena is dumb, loud(specially in DD), but at least her game isn't led by the worst prosecutor in the series with the worst clients in the series dealing with the dumbest crime in the series.

Can you truly defend any case in AJ that isn't the first one? 4-2 is quite possibly the most forgettable case in the game with possibly the worst client in the series. 4-2 is unredeemable trash and people say a lot about non evidence being a thing in DD but 4-4 has no actual climax. DD might have you dealing with emotions but at least you interact even in a flawed system with them. AJ just ends after Kristoph shits on you

>>376260862
Wow it's almost like he cares more about testing Wright than actually winning.

>>376250893
I agree he's fucking shit

>>376260862
Godot is shitty because he's a defense attorney pretending to be a prosecutor. And he's actually more competent than Franzy and Klavier somehow.

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>>376260862
He didn't want to win, he wanted to be proven wrong about you being an unworthy successor to Mia.

>>376260862
>>376261008
>Anti-Godot fags

>>376261050
No, he wanted to prove Phoenix was an incompetent jerkoff

>People seriously didn't like Punished Apollo

>Your best friend dies and your coworker is acting Fucking weird and lying to you and some piece of shit blew up the fucking court room so you can't properly find out who killed your best friend

have people finally stopped pretending nahyuta was a good character yet, nigga had like three good moments in the entire game

>>376261236
At least Nahyuta had a great reason for being a fucking prick unlike Godot

>>376261236
no-one ever pretended he was a good character

he's slightly above klavier and that's it, SoJ is a good game but not thanks to him

>"SATORA!"
>"Satora imaoman domosamashi detashinuke taregasayo sonoka!"
>throws beads at lawyer
>shakes head
>makes hand sign
>waits for butterfly to fly in
>"u r wrong becuz ur a fagget xd"
>"why dont you just kill yourself"
Wow, what a great prosecutor.

>>376261187
>i know how to resolve this! i'm gonna act like the biggest child in the world

>>376261009
>more competent than Franzy
That's because she's just some teenage girl pretending to be a genius like her father and adoptive brother.
>and Klavier
He's not incompetent, in fact his competence is how Apollo even wins his cases ironically enough.

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>>376260829
I feel like the Mood Matrix has potential. It's not there yet, but i think if they decide to work more on it they can do more interesting stuff.

Seance needs some fine tuning, but i feel like its a pretty great gimmick. If you told me that there would be an Apollo spinoff featuring the Khura'in cast with the Seance as a main gimmick i wouldn't complain.

I feel like they should do that to be honest. Bringing Apollo back in the next game would just be wrong.
Just give me a new prosecutor please

>>376261009
Klavier isn't incompetent.

The problem is that he is way more competent that he should be. And far too nice

So it never feels like you're going against someone and rather Klavier is nudging you in the right direction and some times straight up holding your hand.

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>>376261459
>SoJ is a good game but not thanks to him
It's thanks to her and her alone

>>376261534
He leaves and does his own investigation, there's nothing weird about it

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>>376261538
>>376261801
Klavier is competent in the wrong line of work. He should have been a defense attorney if he wanted to defend so much.

>>376261530
Everything before he actually starts talking was fun

It's just that he never ever had an argument

>>376261236
I thought everyone made fun of him.

>>376261882
He just does what edgey does and tries to find the truth. He actually does his job.

>>376261601
>two fantastic milfs in one game where they zoom in on their ass and tits
>no porn, ever

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>>376261860
SoJ has a lot of good characters

>>376261946
That's wrong. Edgeworth does want to do that, but understands that only through properly doing his fucking job (and Phoenix to provide rebuttal) you get there. Klavier just sits back and does nothing.

>>376261946
I'd say Edgey's method is different since he's perfectly fine with a guilty verdict if Nick fucks up. Also, Edgey has had quite a bit of fuck ups too. I just feel like Klavier is too perfect.

>>376262028
>SoJ has a lot of good characters
Post one

>>376261893
Shit now I want a character who gets a speech bubble for "NOT AN ARGUMENT!"
Certainly better than SATORA

>>376259807
>>376259847
AJ is the last good games in the series

>>376258453
>the stories are nonsense
Literally supposed to be

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>>376262240
Objectively correct

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>>376262240
>AJ
>good

>>376262240
You gotta have a really special taste to say that about the worst game in the entire franchise.

>>376262240
AJ is the only bad game in the series.

Anyway to play these games on a PC?

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>>376262240
"least", anon, not "last".

A Dragon... Never Yields.

Except when needing to see and help its adopted son, who has no other parental figures and has been dumped in another nest by the Dragon. In that case, it puts it off until literally after it has already physically died, while instead thinking about and trying to reach out to its other son during all of that time that the dragon was alive.

Then it will finally go and see its adopted son that it abandoned, but only while being spiritually channeled by an unrelated quasi-Dragoness, and primarily focusing on finding a Dragonic artifact rather than its son. It will save its adopted son's life, but only after dragging its adopted son into that life-threatening situation in the first place, and by doing so also risked the spirit-chanelling--quasi-dragoness's life. Also, when its son puts his own life on the line to protect the life of its father Dragon --that hasn't told him how said father Dragon is already dead anyway-- said father Dragon will put his semi-unfaithful wife's life ahead of its son's life by directly lying to said son and doing other things that damage its son's case. While the other closest thing to a father figure that its son has is also putting its life on the line for the sake of the dragon's son.

Because dragons, as the stories have always told us, are possessive monsters.

>>376262352
>>376262321

>You gotta have a really special taste to say that about the worst game in the entire franchise.

That's not DD though with it's paper thin cases and complete lack of charm and it's 5 year old sense of humor. Who decided that AA was now a game who catered to babies? Rgeardless of how bad AJ was it was the last good game in the series. DD was terribad

>>376262489
emulate on DeSMuME

>>376262401
aai1 also sucks

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>>376250295
>>376250893

I felt he was great in DD, but I do agree with SoJ and just how abrupt he was thrown into the center of everything. You can tell it was a last minute choice to do that because the writer decided to end his character arc with 6.

I mostly blame it on AA4's shit sequel bait writing, leaving way too much ambiguity and yet at the same time described just enough about him that made it hard for the new writers to fill in the blanks.

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Why do cucks still play Gay Attorney when the King of Adventure Games, Danganronpa, exists?
They have:
>dark plotlines
>interesting,mature characters
>social links
>despair
>difficult puzzles and minigames
>class trials with actual lives at stake
>3D movement and investigations
>Nagito
AA is trash. Get with the times.

>>376262240
AAI2

>>376262535
5-2 is the most underrated case in the series.
It tells in the beginning who the killer is but the locked room murder is much more complex than anything in AJ

>>376262737
5-2 is a ripoff of 3-5...

>>376262616
Do you think Nahyuta will be redeemed in AA7 now that he isn't a prick anymore? It'll be like Franzy in AA3.
>>376262737
5-2 murder method was complex but the way everything is developed is just so bland that it's not an interesting case.

>>376263019
I'm not 100% sure where they can take Nahyuta from here. Maybe have him actually team up with Franziska? They're in the same line of work after all.

>>376262821
what the fuck

>>376262637
(you)

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>>376262737
>(Rather than "Jinxie didn't remove the disguise", maybe "she couldn't remove it.")
>(And rather than "she didn't tell anyone about the disguise"...)
>(...maybe it was "she couldn't talk about it.")
>A wrestler's mask is more precious than his own life!

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>>376263524

>>376262737
Yeah, the murder plot in itself is cool, it's just too bad that the character motivations are really dumb.

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>>376263524
Heh, you though that's hype, kid? Watch this:

TAHRUST'S DEATH WAS A SUICIDE

>>376264191
THERE WERE TWO ORCAS

>>376264191
Eh, I was surprised more by who Puhray's killer was.

>>376262637
Point and Click is the superior format for investigation.
Minigames are horseshit compared to good evidence.
When are lives not at stake in AA?
Nagito is neat, I agree with that. Megumi Ogata is great

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>>376262240
>AJ
>Good

>>376262240
AJ is terrible. The first case was great, then the completely boring second case happened, and then the pants on head retarded third case happened, and then something happened in the fourth, hell if I know.

Honeymoon's over fags, just admit that SoJ is shit.

>>376266236
But it wasn't though.

>>376266236
>Honeymoon
Oh, you mean the period before people who liked the game stop looking for threads because they're playing something else, so contrarian hipsters start flooding and samefagging threads for the purpose of shitposting?

>>376266236
>just admit that SoJ is shit
SoJ isn't shit. Scream your memes all you want.

>>376262602
no

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>>376266236
I didn't expect there to be still that one guy going "honeymoon"

>>376255029
Never thought I'd see the day. I guess the RP fags riding the afterglow rainbow are finally gone.

>>376266538
>muh samefag
Fuck off. People hate your shitty meme game.

>>376266994
What's the sauce on that Justine pic?

>>376267398
Just look it up on Rule 34 she doesn't have all that much porn anyways. It's an /ss/ pic with John Marsh btw.

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Do you think Pearls will develop as much "spirituality" as her big cousin Mia?

>>376267516
>/ss/
Even better

>>376266994
I don't get it.

>>376267584
AA Thread Memes Tier List
Formatted in a similar manner to the standard Case Tier Lists

>>376267584
Then you never will.

>>376267584
gotta have frequented these threads a long ass time for you to get everything

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Was it that bad?

When's the date for the next Phoenix Wright case? I enjoyed when we had threads on the Turnabout Goodbye case.

>>376267850
Nah, it's alright
Good twists, decent characters, interesting plot developments, and a feels ending

>>376267850
nuAA means cases can't stand on their own unless they're nonsense joke cases. All the overarching mystery cases end up being a convoluted mess.

>>376267850
What? People like this case a lot

>people thinking justice's story is ending with 6
don't act like you don't wanna see a two year time skip where we can see a more grown up athena and rayfa

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>>376267951
>worst girl
>paired with DEBESTE

>>376268181
Considering Apollo's popularity, I wouldn't be surprised if we're getting AJ2 in Khura'in

>>376267891
On June 16th, Dr. Turner Grey will meet Phoenix and convince him to accompany him to Kurain Village
3 days later, he'll be murdered in the Channeling Chamber

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>>376267542
>4'8''
>at 18
>meanwhile Ail'bi is 2 inches taller than her

>>376268181
>grown up rayfa
What a waste

>>376268435
nincompoop

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>>376267891
There's 2-2 coming up in June, but 1-4 was so good because it's probably the best known case in the entire series, even to people who haven't played it

>>376268114
I think he might be refering to the IGN interview where it seems like the interviewer didn't even play the game as he claimed case 3 took 6 hours to complete and was longer than all of case 5

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>>376262240
>Apollo Justice
>good

They had no idea what to do with him even in his debut, since AJ is about Phoenix anyway.

>>376267850
Really, really fucking obvious who the culprit is, almost immediately. Means and motive are locked down before the last day in court. But it's really just a fanservice tour for fans, and to that end it's entertaining. Larry made a great transition to 3D.

>>376268549
Case 3 is super long, but Case 5 might be the longest in the entire series, fucking IGN

>>376268912
your talking about the dlc case, son.

>>376268912
Oh wait, I thought you meant the DLC case. I need a nap.

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How do you like your new male protagonist (female)?

>>376262240
AJ is terrible and without even defending the 3DS games I can just bring up AAI2. Fuck off.

>>376268209
>not liking Kay

>>376269076
I kept trying to play the first case on the website but it keeps freezing on me.

>>376269040
Why is she trying to disguise herself as a man?
I mean I guess she technically has some knowledge in law, but still.

>>376269076
Cute.

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>>376269350
Same actually, it's just kinda buggy

Not that I understand Japanese, I just want to ogle the animations

>>376269076
I want to play. Goddamn, I want to play. Fucking Sherlock Holmes copyrights.

>>376269076
Doesn't matter
Japan-only

>>376269076
Susato is cute.

>>376252645
Breather case after the last two lengthy cases. Also an excuse to give Athena more screentime after her character arc was basically finished in DD.

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>>376269942
Don't forget Blackquill

>>376252645
It was pointless, and only existed for the purpose of giving Athena a case, but I'm glad they made it.
The Athena/Blackquill dynamic was fucking great, and having a prosecutor as the court assistant was a nice shake-up.

What the fuck? The fan translation team is putting DGS in the US?

>>376270119
sadly not the same team that AAI2 (though that wasn't really a "team" as such)

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every defense attorney in the series is bland happy-go-lucky honest good person

every prosecutor in the series has been better characters than any defense attorney

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>>376270536

>>376270624
shit, I forgot about her

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>>376270536
>>376270536
there's more

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>>376270536
No

>>376270780
>>376270624
and I also forgot about Gavin, which is also a villain, like Callisto Wew

>>376270810
beat me to it, again

all right, just change it to non-villain defense attorneys then

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>>376270873
you might be right if you just make it "playable defense attorneys"

because otherwise you still run into issues

His game is rushed garbage anyway. Who cares?

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>>376270962
>>376270873
woops, I guess Godot is technically a villain

take this one then

>>376270962
I was counting Scott Summers as a prosecutor, but I guess you're right

playable defense attorneys it is

Hows the Great Ace Attorney translation by the way.

>>376271087
>>376271070
>>376270962
also, I want to add to "playable defense attorneys" young Maya, young Ema, Pearls and Kay, they're so fucking bland

>>376270860
Franziska is cute! Cute!

>>376271110
Apparently, they're moving the setting to America? Which seems like a pretty pointless endeavor, but probably had little to no effect on the overall story, just changing some proper nouns.

>>376271087
Gregory is pretty good though.

>>376270054
Lol what a weeb

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>>376271174
Trilogy Maya is fucking great

>>376271245
What?
Why?
Just for the "eat your hamburgers apollo" jokes?

>>376271260
god dammit, I am defeated

I guess I'll just list them
>Phoenix
>Polly
>Athena
>young Maya
>Pearls
>young Ema

>>376271390
>baww muh burgers muh weeb show hey nig where are the burger :DDD

>>376271479
I don't know. I checked the demo page, and the only explanation they gave was "We know it's controversial, but :)"

>>376256543
fuck off

AAI2 is a fantastic game that makes use of all its characters to create a meaningful, extensive story with twists that make sense and are fun to figure out

SoJ is a jumbled piece of shit with ONE good case (case 2) and a lot of boring, predictable plots that do nothing interesting with their characters (and in the case of apollo, actively make them worse)

>>376271523
you can reduce every character to one two lines of greentext

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>>376250103
>spend 3 games building up a lawyer from relatively humble beginnings to someone who can stand on his own
>despite his personal growth, he was still a defense attorney in a backwards ass legal system with all the odds against him at all times, if anything his journey was only just beginning

>nope, new protagonist that is eerily similar to AA1 Phoenix but younger
OP they had no fucking idea what to do with the franchise at that point. Not even complaining about changing protagonists, it's that they changed protagonists but were too cowardly to make him truly different. They then spent two clusterfuck-filled games to desperately make him different, to the detriment of all other main characters around him.

Athena was a better attempt at a new and distinct feeling lawyer but she & her game had all sorts of other issues too.

>>376271662
doesn't make Maya a good character

speaking of which, describe each of these characters
>Phoenix
>Polly
>Athena
>young Maya
>Pearls
>young Ema
but describe their personality, not their clothes, what they work as or abilities, and I feel like they'll all come off as the same

>>376271523
>>376271662
Maya doesn't even talk about burgers that much. AJ Apollo defaulted to catchphrase-type stuff more than Maya did and that was before people felt that he did that to an obnoxious level.

>>376267850
It was a little too long, but the neat channeling gimmick, suicide twist, and ending made up for it imo

>>376271709
It would have been better if all the cases in AJ didnt get solved by Klavier until the last one where Phoenix kicks Apollo out of the protagonist seat using a dumb plot point that never gets brought up again (the jurist system).

>>376262737

Thank you. I fucking loved 5-2 too.

>>376271907
Athena is definitively different from the others i feel.
Closest thing in that list is Maya.

>>376271245
Dai Gyakuten Saiban is far too built around its setting to try and pass it off as taking place in America. It would look way more ridiculous than it did in the main series.

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>>376250295
>Dual Destinies

DD did a bad job of everything.

>hey guys remember that jury system and all that fucking awesome shit we busted out for the last case
>hey guys remember those black psyche locks that you could bust and we left completely open ended
>yo remember that really cool mature demeanor we gave the aged phoenix


>well fuck all that, let's completely ignore half that shit, fuck our shit up with massive plot holes, let's get some fucking 2 frames per second korean outsourced anime cutscenes, and fuck up the VA's nice and good
>oh and here's this fucking useless bitch with extremely high tech polygraph super powers even though we all still have cell phones straight out of 2001

AJ was where the series ended.

>>376272236
Fucking hell. Why even put in all that extra effort

>>376271610
I wonder if you're interpreting it differently than I am. It looks like they're saying the opposite, that Americanizing the names and location is impossible in this case.

>>376258453
And watching almost everyone have mental breakdowns, including the prosecutor's themselves, in court is apparently a realistic and normal thing? It's a wonder any case gets solved when every witness could be a schizophrenic

>>376271967
She talks more about her training more if anything. AA1/2/3 was years ago, I honestly chalk it up to most people just not remembering those games too well.

>>376272291
The salt.

>>376258205
is he wearing a mask or what

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>>376271523
>Maya saves your ass multiple times even when it means getting arrested or tazed in the process
>she gave you the goddamn magatama
>but the only thing everyone remembers about her is "lol burgers nick"

>>376271907
>sarcastic, down on his luck, but hardworking with a good heart
>parrot named after the DL-6 perpetrator's wife overenthusiastic, easily pushed and quick to get mad
>idolizing, easily flustered, PTSD-ridden
>peppy but with low self-confidence, judgmental, fangirlish, slowly maturing into an adult
>a literal fucking child
>science-obsessed kid

Ema is really the weak one here, but she only gets one case

>>376272584
>oh fuck how do I get out of this
>lmao I'll channel Mia
>here's the answer
>oh ok

at least THIS was done right in the latest cases

>>376272584
is Maya channels Mia and Nick hits it from behind, is it a threesome or what?

>>376272941
Better question: if Nick fucks Pearl!Mia, is it both necro- AND pedophilia?

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>>376272387
well yeah, because one of my favorite VN series completely shat itself

A game with an emphasis on the fucking story

Completely ignores established story points

Way to go Capcom

Oh some things i forgot

>emphasis on real orchestral instruments in the music gives the music way less impact, not to mention they're NOT real instruments, leaving shit like the suspense theme sounding absolutely fucking terrible, something that even layton vs wright got way better
>emphasis on where they're from in the localization, which makes shit make even less sense because hurr here's this japanese spirit dojo miles out side of grorious Ros Angeres, making the sequel seem EVEN MORE ridiculous

i'm mad
i'll always be mad
Nu-Wright is fucking terrible
Layton Vs. Wright is a better AA then the mainline series now

We'll never get Great AA Translated

We'll never get Shu Takumi back

I can't even get an alternative to this series since Kyle Hyde bit the dust. Fuck everything.

>>376273143
here's your reply

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>>376273143
At least you can admit to being mad and I understand exactly why you are. I'm kinda miffed that the jury system idea got shafted, but still manage to enjoy the series all the same.

Sorry for your loss, guy.

>>376273435
Huh

>>376257029

>concept, worldbuilding, and characters all top-tier
>cases actually interesting
>about halfway through I'm completely in love and ready to put it as my second favorite after the original PW
>Layton, the biggest fucking Mary Sue character and smuggest prick of all time, becomes a larger part of the story
>he's literally worse than Klavier, something I never thought possible
>that fucking ending reveal
>fucking Layton the entire way through
>game quickly drops down to just above DD and SoJ

FUCKING LAYTON

FUCK OFF YOU WERE THE WORST PART OF THE GAME WITH YOUR SHITTY "HEHE I HAVE THE ANSWER" AND YOUR G-A-R-B-A-G-E FUCKING TWIST

Seriously though I am still fucking mad about that shit what a terrible fucking ending

>>376273334
i am too. thanks for at least understanding

don't get me wrong, if you still enjoy the series, that's great. i love AA at it's core. It's not even about nostalgia either.

1 and 4 best music.
1 and 3 best story.

4 personal favorite because i liked apollo.

>>376274231
The strangest thing is that it was written by Takumi. He actually diminished Phoenix's role which is odd as hell.

>>376257418

>can never escape AOV, not even on /v/

Stop reminding me about not being able to case you bastard

It's really fun though lads you should check it out.

>>376273143
There's this.
http://gematsu.com/2016/03/3ds-adventure-game-chase-unsolved-cases-investigation-division-another-code-staff-announced
Haven't heard if it's any good or not though

>>376262263

>literally supposed to be

What the fuck? How is "the story is supposed to be bad" a valid fucking defense?

>>376272330

Except that's just part of AA wackiness and has no real effect on the plot of the game. A witness breaking down in court is not how they explain the big twist behind the final case, the twists are all grounded in reality unlike the stupid fucking Layton shit.

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>>376274231
People still praise AJ for it's music and atmosphere when PLvsPW trumps it in both of those aspects, I've always found that odd. The game has it's huge fucking problems but Labyrinthia was a nice place to be.

>tfw haven't been able to enjoy AA since dual destinies

now this is how you kill a franchise

>>376262139
he literally just did

>>376274965
you mean you didnt enjoy exactly one game?

>>376274940

It's the ending. I'm speaking personally, but the ending left a superbly sour taste in my mouth. It retroactively ruined the rest of the game knowing that the big mystery was powered by such stupid fucking bullshit.

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>>376274940
Holy shit, is that actual fanart of best girl?

>>376270054
someone post the weebquill office pic

>>376275047
A lot of people didn't play AAI2 until after they played DD. I think PLvsPW wasn't localized until after DD too, despite coming out in Japan earlier?

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>>376275580

>>376273143
It's a bad situation for the main series, but I don't really have any desire to drag Takumi back into it at this point. I think he's in the best position he can be right now, making Dai Gyakuten Saiban. I think it can be called the real successor to Apollo Justice and Professor Layton vs. Ace Attorney. It's a tragedy that there's no sign of a localization in sight.

>>376258754

That's always how mysteries in Layton games worked. Layton is a puzzle master so of course he'd figure out the solution to the mystery before anybody else. It wouldn't make sense to do the usual thing where Phoenix figures everything out by bluffing his way through a trial when he runs out of options.

I liked it better this way. I don't think they could've done a better job of mixing the two styles of games. Layton figuring things out on his own behind the scenes and working steps ahead of everybody else, and Phoenix figuring things out alongside the player, and using the knowledge/evidence you've acquired to pull out last-minute revelations to turn the case around... It seems like your preference would've been to make the game center mostly around Phoenix and his style of gameplay, and make Layton and the puzzles just a background element? I don't think that would've been better.