>see the character models in Heroes of the Storm >makes

Look at what became of Starcraft 2 and ask yourself if it's really worth it.

>>376219716
WC4 won't happen. WoW will finish the Warcraft story once and for all in the next expansion or the one after that.
RTS being a dead genre doesn't help either.

Maybe we might get a WC3 remake, but I really wouldn't bet on it.

You really want a Warcraft 4 with those bug gay shoulder pads?

>>376219854
I still can't see any major problems with Starcraft 2, and I generally hate Blizzard games.
The story is abysmal, but that's next to irrelevant

>>376220017
We might get Warcraft IV if Starcraft remaster somehow sells well in the west.

>>376219854
SC2 was good.

Heroes of the Storm is fun though

>>376219716

Arthas is considered by the entire community of HotS to have by far the worst character models in the entire game.

There are petitions on the forums constantly for his models to be completely reworked.

>>376219854
yes, the campaign will be awesome to the max, if they manage to stay focused.
it's multiplayer that people complain about

>>376219716
>love blizzard shit lore and character design
>hate every blizzard games

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what did they mean by this?

>>376220273
>Kerrigan is space jesus
lmao

>>376220179
>Starcraft remaster somehow sells well in the west.
How these 2 even connected. SC remaster was made for Koreans, it was even announced in Korea. It simply can't reach the numbers sufficient enough for Blizzard to confirm that there's indeed an interest in RTS on the West.

>>376219716
I wouldn't mind Warcraft IV if they
>completely retcon WoW and have it take place after WC3 (call it an alternate timeline or something so the autistic fans don't get upset)
>have a mapmaking system on the same level as WC3 (or better)
>don't separate the expansions by race

But I doubt they'll do any of that.

No Justin Gross, no buy, simple as that. I care about that man more than I do about the key creative leads who've left Blizzard in the meantime.

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>>376220273
>awesome to the max

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>>376219716
WC4 will be awful if it does happen. It will be made more casual-friendly to appeal to masses and be full of memes/sjw bullshit.

It will be like what SC2 is to SC:BW. I am seriously dreading it happening.

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>>376219716
>Heroes of the Storm

I think the team behind that have some sort of brainproblem, I think blizzard got the Z team in for it or something

>>376220338
that HotS's lead model designer is the ass man

>>376219716
>state of hots
what's wrong with hots?

>>376219854
This.

This a hundred fucking times.

>>376220273
>the campaign will be awesome to the max
He said starcraft 2 anon, not whatever game you were thinking of.
Sc2 is probably the worst piece of shit campaign mode ever put into an RTS, both in terms of gameplay and story.

>>376220387
>I wouldn't mind Warcraft IV if they completely retcon WoW
Will never EVER happen. Most of current WC autists started with WoW, monetizing them is the only option they have. This goes beyond doubt

>>376220338
Tyrande always weirds me out because I associate her more with her white tiger mount.

>>376220480
Literally /ourguy/

>>376220387
>completely retcon WoW and have it take place after WC3
I fucking hate WoW so much. WoW literally killed RTS, not mobas

>>376220487
but the biggest fanservice always involves pre-WoW characters, every time Blizzard gets desperate they just bring back Illidan or Arthas or Gul'dan or whoever

>>376219716
Heroes of the Storm is Warcraft 4

>>376220548
daily reminder that when RPS tried to complain about the models in HotS being too sexy, the dev he was interviewing immediately ended the interview and walked out

>>376219716

But that nu-Arthas looks like shit compared to the old one

>>376220485
People usually only call the story dogshit. The gameplay is pretty damned good overall.

>>376219854
SC2 was pretty good aside from the story. But then again, WC3's story ended up being pretty retarded too. Only Arthas' story arc was any good. After that it's muh noble orcs. Muh corruption. Muh orcs team up with humans to beat the eeeeviilllll demons. Just trash.

>>376220447
All three of SC 2's campaigns were a million percent better than SC's shallow trash.

>playing RTS games for the multiplayer in 2017.
>I Shiggy muh niggy.

>>376220596
Warcraft had quite an expansive lore before WoW, of course the legendary characters that defined the franchise more than anyone else getting more fanservice attention because the only ones who care about lore read all of it anyway

>>376220650
>The gameplay is pretty damned good overall.
Wow one million variants on push the point or defend the thing.
All wrapped up in sc2's terrible core mechanics which killed the entire starcraft competitive scene to the point they had to rehash sc1 in a vain attempt at making korea not launch nuclear missiles at blizzard hq.
I wouldn't call sc2 the worst piece of shit I've ever played, but it's definitely the worst RTS I've ever played.

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>>376220754

>>376219716
>>see the state of Heroes of the Storm
What's wrong with Heroes of the Storm, anon?

>>376220629
no it doesn't you contrarian retard

>>376220781
How is that different from any other RTS? It's like complaining you have to shoot things in a shooter

>>376220862

Are you fucking blind? Look at his shoulders. He looks like something out of 40k

>>376220629
From a personality/character standpoint? Sure, the new one lacks something but is at the same time overdesigned.

From a technical standpoint though, Blizzard's current artists are wizards, those models/textures/lighting are insanely good.

>>376219716
>finally give in and install HotS
>play a few games
>first few loot chests give out heroes like candy
>all the loot chests after give out worthless crap (even the "epic" ones)
>rerolling doesn't do shit and is a waste of gold

I understand it's a f2p game but I hate how obvious of a skinner box it is.

>>376220965
>He looks like something out of 40k
this is a good thing

>>376220860
People are scared to have fun with the game and don't want their friends to make fun of them.

>>376220781
>worst RTS I've ever played.
>didn't play cnc4

>>376221049

No it isn't you neckbeard shit

>>376220965
>he dislikes PAULDRONS
Gay

>>376220965
>ornate armor worthy of the crown prince of the most powerful nation in the known world
>embroidered blue fabric
yeah the old one is so bad

>>376220781
It was a good progression on ramping up player choice with permanent decisions that affected how you could use your units. I felt that the difficulties were balanced in such a way that anyone could find a grade they were comfortable with. It had replayability on that front with both the in-campaign mission archive letting you replay previous missions, and the end of campaign one that just let you do them with complete control.

I believe you're letting the god awful story cloud your judgment of the game. That, or your focus on the multiplayer.

>>376221126
yea it is lol

>>376219854
>a new W4 without secret missions because casuals don't like them
Fuck blizzard and fuck Starcraft II

>>376221021
>those models/textures/lighting are insanely good.

If only they could put that to good use by designing something that doesn't look like aids

>>376220481
The problem is that he takes a video game for the age of 13+ and above seriously

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>>376219716
>HotS is bad
Why? Because it isn't your super epic famous MOBA?

>>376219716
You should think about your shit taste considering how horrible that assfaggot model looks.

>>376221154
>ornate armor worthy of the crown prince of the most powerful nation in the known world

Why is the crown prince a midget in an adult's suit of armor? Look how small his head is

>>376221220
It's a soulless cashgrab Skinner box.

>>376220924
I don't know, how about you play one other rts in your life and make your own judgement scrublord.
>>376221079
I wouldn't call that an RTS any more than I would DOW2.
>>376221174
>It was a good progression on ramping up player choice with permanent decisions that affected how you could use your units.
that was the only interesting gimmick in the entire game
>I believe you're letting the god awful story cloud your judgment of the game.
I really don't give a shit about the story, it was the terrible gameplay and dry generic campaign that ruined it for me.

>>376221137

I see you play WoW

>>376220273
>yes, the campaign will be awesome to the max

the fact that blizzard will make warcraft 4 for this kind of people is just awesome

>>376221360
because humans in Warcraft have fucked proportions in general. The WC3 model's head is just as weirdly sized

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>>376221220
They haven't discovered the majesty of Abathur

>>376221394
Just like your mom :^)

>>376220141
My main concern is the map making scene.
>Warcraft IV comes
>Blizzard learned nothing from SC2
>Editor is still convoluted
>Map lobby is still popularity driven
>Map lobby doesn't allow you to host games from your own server
>Automatically claiming the IP of anything made with their map editor due to Dota asshurt
>Trying to monetize map making

>>376221461
>The WC3 model's head is just as weirdly sized

No, and I think you're an autistic fanboy grasping at straws.

>>376221415
well their target audience was always teens, not neet 30y old virgins who hate everything.

>>376220141
The butchered the storytelling. It's not even the same general tone or theme.

No major problems? Dude the end cinematic of the second game has a cigar-smoking villain on a swivel chair press a MacGuffin to deliver a surprise shock to the protag akin to dropping down a shark pit, only to get Deus Ex Machina'd to death.

Are you fucking kidding me?

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>>376221394
>play HotS before 2.0
>the game is literally filled with people that have no skins or no mounts
>only ten or twenty out of 100 people have a skin or something else
>play HotS after 2.0
>literally everyone has their favorite skins or good looking skins
>they even have mounts, banners and other bullshit
Uh, what? I have about more than 60 skins/mounts and before 2.0, I had nada except the free skins such as the horse mount from Diablo 3.

>>376220273
Epic! Epic for the win!

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>>376221467
>Abathur announcer is 1400 premium shekels

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Honestly the HOTS models are made to be viewed from the store and the match browser. They look shitty as top down models

>>376221410
>how about you play one other rts in your life and make your own judgement scrublord
I did, that's why I'm asking you what exactly is wrong with campaign structure and missions. So far you haven't said anything substantial, I don't even know why you've typed all this shit.

>>376220480
what ass? its big vertically but flat horizontally

>700 patches later and SC2 is still shit blob vs blob

I feel bad for anyone who wants a WC4 at this point. The story and multiplayer would both me atrocious

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>>376220273
>awesome to the max

>>376221467
>99% of abathur players are shit
>100% lost game if he is on your team

>>376221592
his head is the same size as his knee my dude

>>376221394
ask me how i know you haven't played 2.0

>>376221620
>All I wanted was the Abathur Announcer
>Here's 2 Nazeebos
Thanks blizz

>>376221394
>character progression is a skinner box
what the fuck games do you play?

>>376221467
>start playing the game
>abathur on my team
>does literally nothing of value
>lose every single time

How do I play this hero and not be a worthless shitter?

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>>376221394
>own no skins or mounts prior 2.0
>own a shit ton of skins, legendaries and EPICS, mounts of all kinds post 2.0
>even own Prime Evil Diablo skin and get Cyb'arak Anub'arak from a loot chest yesterday
(You)

>>376219716
If they ever did make a Warcraft 4 they would do what they did with Starcraft and split up each race to have it's own Game/Campaign.

>>376221678
Literally every mission is either
>go here and kill stuff
or
>defend
They didn't even bother to throw in anything interesting.
Look at wc3. There's an entire RPG campaign for rexxar
There's tower defense maps hidden as bonuses, canon to the story.
How can this trash even compare

>>376220481
basically blizzard made a moba for bad players where you press R to win , and bans literally dont exist so people afk , quit matches , flame and feed
you name it

>>376221602
I swear it's like the executives got their kids to write for Blizzard. It has to be some sort of nepotism, or total lack of care by letting the janitor finish the stories(though even a janitor could probably do better).

>>376220179
Would you be happy with a WC3 remaster using SC2 engine?

>>376221993
>bans literally dont exist so people afk
So I see you've literally never touched the game.

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>>376221993
>where you press R to win
Have you ever fucking played the game in the first place? I could understand if you just got dicked because you didn't soak up a lane and got level 10 before them, but Jesus Christ, anon.
>bans literally dont exist so people afk
You haven't played the game it seems.

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>>376221993
imagine being this guy

>>376221993
>bans literally dont exist
>hehehe time to shitpost
Oh (you)

>>376221608
>>376221943
>muh skins
so the quality of a game is determined by its cosmetic items? go it

>>376222269
no, it means he saved money.
like me.
retard

>>376222269
What the fuck are you talking about? Anon mentioned about HotS being a cashgrab and everyone told him otherwise.
You don't make any sense, do you?

>>376221940
The main thing Abathur's fail to grasp is that they're supposed to be taking more actions than the rest of their team, not less. They're not mana gated or anything like that. Pop your hat intro all unoccupied lanes and rapidly burst down every single minion wave on the map ensuring an xp advantage. This is the very basic first skill that I see Abathur failing to work on. Keep putting down your little bursty puddings between lanes, in bushes n shit, you'll start to intuit great places for them as you play the game more, for now focus on getting them down. Finally plz be coming to teamfights. Fights are often short and nasty so they won't necessarily interrupt your other activities but you gotta come Mr Abathur.

You can build talents to be a great turnaround in fights (Putting a hat on an invincible brew drinking Chen can be TONS of fun) or you can just build for pure push and have every empty lane be pushing mega hard whilst the rest of your team roams.

>>376222269
>HotS is bad because it's a soulless cash grab
>the new update gives away nearly every cosmetic in the game for either free or easily acquired in-game currency depending on your luck
learn to read and then kill yourself

>>376222063
Not him, but it is impossible to recreate wc3's map making community. No other rts or remake will ever come close.
It is dead(compared to how it was) and it is time to move on.

>>376222493
there are still some quality maps being made

>>376221990
We all know that WC3 had a great campaign, how does that make every other campaign worse?

>>376221851

>hots
>character progression

jhahahaha

Blizzdrones are this dumb

>>376220627
holy kek, vid?

>>376221710
>99% players are shit
ftfy

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>>376219716

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>>376220338
that they must have one guy that only works on the ass and he only leaves the studio when he makes a perfect ass?

>>376221026
Looks like you were unlucky
I got 3 legendary skins, 18 epic, and around 40 rare skins plus 6 heroes and i'm only lvl 52
Or maybe i'm just used to getting total shit in box/crates

>>376221026

I always get good shit out of my lootboxes. I think it was a great addition as opposed to not even having it before.

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>still no thicc fem panda hero
blizzard pls

>>376222584
But that's the thing anon, I wouldn't even rank wc3 as top 5 campaigns I've played in an RTS.
It's garbage compared to something like RA2 or age of empires.
And it's still infinitely better than sc2, because sc2 does literally nothing exciting or fun or interesting in any way, and you have to deal with sc2's mediocre gameplay the entire time you're going through it, so it just feels like a massive grind.

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>>376222597
(You)

>>376222689

>>376220017
>RTS being a dead genre
This. After SC2 went up in a puff of smoke after the initial hype, and how DoW3 is being received, I sincerely doubt Blizzard will ever make another RTS in the classic sense.

And you know what? Despite playing RTS games since WC2 days, I'm totally okay with that.

>>376222689
it's a from an online article that used to get posted on /hotsg/ all the time, I don't have it, but basically it goes something like
>the female characters in this game are really sexualized. Some players might like that, but have you considered making characters that aren't so sexualized so people can feel badass without feeling objectified?
>yeah, uh huh, totally.. I think that's all the time we have. *leaves*

>>376222878

That model is hideous

>>376220462
Actually HOTS is the A team & has the most veterans on it

>>376220462
what makes you say that?

>>376223001
>Kerrigan is too sexualised, have you thought about making her less sexy?
>yeah sure
>Cheerleader Kerrigan
>Queen of Torment Kerrigan
literally /ourdevs/

>>376223050

>still believing the A team B team nonsense Blizzard made up to increase consumer confidence

>>376222994
>It's garbage compared to something like RA2 or age of empires.
Based on what? So far you've made a single argument that you disliked SC2 because of how every objective is "go here and kill stuff or defend". Did you even play Red Alert 2? Can you for fucking once make an argument without me fucking asking you to specify what you mean, because all your posts except for 1 are basically "It's shit" wrapped in a wall of text?

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>>376223181
hot as fuck tbqh

>>376220627
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/11/22/blizzard-on-heroes-of-the-storm-female-designs-in-mobas/

>>376221602
>>376222007
but nobody really cares about the Starcraft story. I think that is what anon was trying to say and the multiplayer-scene in SC2 was decent. It just didn't last because e-sport is mostly MOBA now so all coverage goes to that instead.

>>376223257
>Can you for fucking once make an argument without me fucking asking you to specify what you mean, because all your posts except for 1 are basically "It's shit" wrapped in a wall of text?
Why bother, I've listed examples, and all you ever do is reply "but why" like some retarded 3 year old.

>>376223530
Because your examples make FUCK ALL sense in the only fucking single argument you've wrote
Are you fucking mental

>>376223181
>>376223293
Did they increase Kerrigan's ass size by default?

I remember before 2.0, Kerrigan's ass and tits grew noticeably bigger when you switched to Succubus Kerrigan, but now they seem about the same

>>376220509
me too. I never found Tyrande sexy because I was always seeing Warcraft 3 model, so Illiaden and Malfurion just seemed like two old perverts fighting over an old lady (I mean, they literally are super-old seniors...)

>>376223484
Bruh I play SC and BW regularly for that story. Space Australian Rednecks and Jesus has a great tone with great voice acting

>>376223530
Dude he's asking WHY you think it's worse, garbage, etc than the examples you provided. He wants to know what you feel it did wrong and how it could be better.

Jesus I see this shit all the time. "Thing is bad" is not an argument, it's a conclusion. People want to know how you get to these conclusions and often if people can't explain it it just comes down to little shit and personal tastes

>see the state of Heroes of the Storm
explain?

>>376223484
That guy obviously cared, and I'm more baffled that someone has a real paying job at Blizzard to write that.
I don't care for cliches, but never go full retard, man.

>>376223484
>but nobody really cares about the Starcraft story.

Everyone cares about the Starcraft story.

>>376223884
>>376223816
yeah, you do, but it was never the main selling point with the game. SC has always been about multiplayer.

I mean, people still talk about SC:BW mainly because of the koreans.
The story was cool though, so yeah, it does suck that SC2 didn't deliver on that

>>376223864

It's just like it was before, except now you get all the heroes and cosmetics for free with loot boxes.

>>376223484
>It just didn't last because e-sport is mostly MOBA now so all coverage goes to that instead.
retarded post.
The casual crow of Starcraft was never about e-sports.

It was always about Terras doing a only tanks to feel good when killing a million of zerglings.

>>376224064
Fair point, I remember growing up I would play a fuck ton of SC with my dad and his work buddies at lan parties

Does SC2 even support LAN?

>>376223001

Damn, when did blizzard devs get so based? Thought they went full sjw for Overwatch

>>376223875
I honestly think they just played Mass Effect and realised they had sci-fi world where they could try to make that "adventure with a crew"-feel to it, walking around inside Hyperion etc

I mean, all the dialogues feels like Mass Effect dialogues minus the sex. Then they went with shitty Ultimate Threat and Corruption because that is what they have always done (and so did Mass Effect even).

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>>376224325
>>Does SC2 even support LAN?
>Moder blizz
>LAN
sorry anon.

>>376224369
Blizzard are the farthest thing from SJW. They might be inclusive towards others, but they still pander and make waifu bait for everyone.

>>376224325
ALWAYS ONLINE

>>376224429
>>376224464
Don't remind me
I hate this timeline
>no LAN
>consoles got rid of System Link

I'm not sure if I want current year Blizzard doing anything to franchises I love

Overwatch was proof that blizzard doesn't know how to make games.
They're just really good at putting on dressings.
And have the money to make it workish.

>>376224445
How to convince my /pol/tard friends of this? It's turned into their main complaint as to why they won't play Blizz games

Who here still plays W3 custom maps?

hero line wars for life. Dota is faggot shit always and forever

>>376224369
Blizzard panders to everyone, all the time
they make strong empowered female characters for the SJWs, then they make fat assed titty monsters for regular people
everyone's happy, everyone gives up their shekels

>>376224616
>convince
>/pol/tards
wew

>>376219716
The shoulder pads are growing

>>376224616
Well for one, don't go to /pol/
That board, and to an extent most of this website, lost any sense of irony a long time ago

>>376224757
Oh I don't actually go to /pol/. I live in the South so a lot of my friends are naturally racist, sexist, and homophobic.

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>>376224616
>/pol/tard friends
Get new friends.

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>>376224757
>>376224643
>haha /pol/ was just ironic
>haha the people who are pushing marxism in your video games and telling you fucking white males need to die aren't the same people who hate le nazis
>haha wow everyone who doesn't swear fealty to the jews and their slave legions is just not educated like me

>>376224905
fuck off to /pol/ /tumblr/ anon

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>>376224929
>>376224905
/v/ is a national socialist board, cuckolds

>>376224932
I don't see how that has anything to do with the fact that /pol/tards are thick as fuck anon

>>376224964

Not a Tumblr anon either. Just not retarded either way, except for posting on /v/.

>>376224905
>>376224929
>>376224757
>>376224643
Liberal numale cuck SJW

>>376225013
Why would we want to be a bunch of failures

>>376224369

The "going SJW" they did, if you don't remember, was replacing "girl in skintight suit viewed from the back" with "girl in skintight suit doing a pin-up model pose" in a game where you are free to rotate the camera as much as you like while posing.

>>376225103

And thank you /v/ for perpetuating the fuck out of the drama for this

>>376222809
that may be the single least practical piece of fantasy clothing I have ever seen

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>>376225092
>>>/pol/

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>>376225334
>the left unironically believes propaganda pumped into them by pencilneck jewish media bosses
>think they won't all be mowed down by ranchers with rifles when the taxes get too high

>>376219716
the nu-blizzard art style is terrible, everything is too bulky and overdesigned.

>>376224064
>but it was never the main selling point with the game

If Starcraft had a bad story nobody would play it today.

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>>376225334
>le swole left meme

>>376225938

Are you fucking braindamaged? That's a clip from a tv cartoon, not whatever retarded meme your arse dragged up from tumblr

>>376224132
So there's nothing wrong with it then?

>>376226207
>from tumblr
>posts a tumblr .gif

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>not choosing what games to play based on the politics of its developers

>>376226496

>being this desperate for an internet win

Stop typing you insipid worm, this isn't improving your life

>>376226207
>That's a clip from a reddit cartoon

Only thing that can save Blizz is if after WoW they made a 40k version of Warcraft's story that was in a shared universe with Starcraft

>>376226862
starcraft was just a generic wh40k theme slapped on warcraft 1.

>>376227025
>generic
Yeah sure, the 1990's were absolutely fucking rife with space operas inspired by the founding of Australia mixed with the Civil War

>>376225103
Blizzard also did some bizarre design decisions to neuter sexy females in WoW because of complaints and Metzen having a daughter and not liking explaining about why characters were in armored Bikinis. They haven't released any slut wear since like vanilla either.

It's not a lot but they took their hottest bitch and removed abs because "lore reasons" and did it in the ugliest, lazy way possible. If they covered Sylvanas' stomach with something that even remotely looked armored or matched the rest of her gear it might even have looked cool and gotten a pass, but no.

>>376225334

>so hardcore gonna scalp somenazis
>here's a meme-toon to illustrate what im going to do to you ebil nazzies

Do you wear diapers to make it easier for your mother to clean up after you, or do you just shit where you please?

>>376227139
>starcraft kids this upset when they get told starcraft is literally a carbon copy of wh40k with all the details stripped away

>>376226862
>>376227025
GW would have made gorrilions if they just gave Blizzard permission to use their IP.
Guess who ever was in charge back then finally died as we're finally getting warhammer games, but it's too late to jump on a huge success.

>>376227245
>getting triggerd by a tv show
>everything I don't like is meme

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>>376223181
>>376223650
>>376223001
>a mutated jumble of necrotic human flesh stitched to overgrown insect chitin and leaking the most incredibly virulent disease in the universe from every orifice
>people still want to fuck it
Why?

If you look closely she actually kind of looks like she's just a giant walking cockroach and a human girl's face was ripped off and stapled to her, Texas Chainsaw Massacre style

>>376227576
I'm more for Succubus Kerrigan

and i have very few lines that can't be crossed

>>376223023
DoW3 reception is shit because it's more of a moba than RTS

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>>376227576
>fapping to Sylvanas
>suddenly think about what she must smell like

>>376227576
But she's a loyal waifu.

>>376228126
She's a fucking psychopath

>>376228060
Anon,zerg evolve daily to fix their mistakes,she probably acts like a flower on the parfume department.

>>376228160
All the good ones are, m8.

>>376228126
more like screenwriter is loyal to his waifu and his fanfic

>>376228219
Her Xel'Naga fiery ass only belongs to hobo Raynor

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>>376228214
Sylvanas

As in the Warcraft character who canonically spent several months stewing in a stone sarcophagus before her tortured spirit finally returned to reanimate her corpse

>>376220141
What I didn't like about SC2:

>Too e-sports focused. SC1 had a good balance of custom maps and muh e sports
>Too well-balanced. Every match felt kind of boring since everything was very finely tuned, especially the matchmaking. You'd always get close, stressful games.
>Shit custom map browser based on popularity so muh tower defense always #1
>Split into trilogy
>Story was kind of shitty

WC4 would suffer the same fate, in true blizzard storytelling fashion. The only game they haven't completely fucked is Overwatch and I'm honestly shocked at that fact.

>>376228214
Sylvanas is the undead lady from warcraft.

>>376228435
was it really her corpse? wasnt she a slightly stronger banshee unit first?

>>376228435
It's fantasy, so she probably still smells great. It's obvious that she takes care of herself

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>Posting SC2's butchered Hollywood superstar Kerrigan
>Not posting original true waifu

>>376228219
I'm not keen on dating someone who is literally the worst thing happened to humanity

>>376220017
Wouldn't it create more hype for WoW and bring back the playerbase if Blizzard allowed Warcraft 4 to have a significant impact on the story?

>>376220481
Blizzard balancing
>5 heroes are absolutely busted
>the rest hit like wet noodles
>matchmaking is awful
>you can no longer buy cosmetics, you have to gamble with (((loot crates)))
Oh and the core game design is flawed too
>no items
so the problem with no items is that the game is decided at draft. In league or dota, if you face a strong hero and you have no counter hero drafted, you can typically just build an item that fulfills this role to stop the enemy from rolling over you. In hots if you don't have a counter pick at draft, no talents will help you. You are just going to slowly lose.
Also
>starcraft 2 engine
runs like shit

>>376228516
>Too well-balanced. Every match felt kind of boring since everything was very finely tuned, especially the matchmaking. You'd always get close, stressful games.

I've never played SC2, but what the fuck is wrong with you? How is that not perfect matchmaking?

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>>376228563
Yes. She was murdered, her spirit was reanimated as a Banshee, she spent a while as the Lich King's bitch, his power started to wane and she gained independence, she went and found her own dead body and she used her Banshee possession power to take control of it again.

>>376228670
The whole time her spectral form was palling around with Arthas, her mangled body was laying in a coffin.

>>376221394
>it's a buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword

Holy shit try to act like a human and use your brain

>>376228060

Not rotten corpse, if that's what you are getting at.

She uses the power of the valkyr to preserve herself (and nathanos) more or less perfectly afaik

There was a short story about it recently, given that she's a ranger and stealth is pretty important i'd venture that she smells like nothing

>>376228725
i'd rather fuck the hollywood kerrigan tbqh

>>376221993
Its obvious you have never even played the game.

>>376228863
She looks great for a mangled corpse. If she can unfuck herself like that I bet she can do something about the stink

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How do I play Nu-Uther? I feel like his basic attack quest is absolutely terrible because it puts the healer in the front line, and his cooldowns in general are too long for him to heal well.

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>>376228725
She got her current appearance in Brood War you mong

>>376228863
>>376228912
>>376228989
Yeah I can believe her body was jacked up when she recovered it, but she clearly used some kind of magic to put it back in decent working order.

Case in point: There's also no evidence of where she got cleaved the fuck open with Frostmourne or where the Ghouls were gnawing on her ass

>>376228760
What 5 heroes are completely busted? It has way more hero diversity than lol or dota thanks to having more than one map. Talents are way better than items, they make heros more unique. Also makes balancing individual heroes better as buffing/nerfing one heroes talents doesn't effect every other hero like items do.

>>376220141
SC2 butchered the story and ruined every character in the series.
The gameplay is full of hard counters so that everything revolves around narrow timing pushes. You have to build Flurbles to counter Hydras, but you can only build Flurbles at minute 5 and Hydras are available at 4 minutes and thirty seconds. Shit like that - it caused players to figure out when they'd have precise advantages that would give the opposing race problems on a specific map.
Obnoxious macro mechanics to occupy your time and prevent you from focusing on positioning and strategy. Especially bad for the zerg, who have to inject with perfect timing to keep up and have no safety net if they slip up and get to injecting late.

>the story of warcraft after w3 if forever hidden behind a monthly paywall with some content already impossible to access

why is it allowed?

>>376219716
Hots is pretty great right now. Some map tweaks and we have the goat

May as well just wait for Dota 2 to flesh out its story mode campaign, and eventually wait for it to go full circle as it becomes Dota: Regular RTS Edition

>>376219854
Literally the best RTS of all time. Any other opinion is wrong and nostalgia powered.
Tightest mechanics, best balanced gameplay, best observer and tournament and chat tools, great league and matchmaking and so on.

>>376223040
ur hideous lol

>>376229418
>air rush: the rts is a good RTS

lmao

>>376229301
Because it protects you from the absolute rape they did to the story.

>>376229467
>i am bad at video games

>>376221993
Right because that stuff never happens in dota

>>376229301
>>376229503
>>376220017
The story of World of Warcraft is in its totality, dimissing whichever particular element you happen to like, a pointless clusterfuck

There's no narrative coherence to it at all, it's just everybody dies and comes back and dies again and turns evil and turns good and turns evil again.

The original Warcraft/Starcraft/Diablo installments were guilty of this as well but WoW put an exclamation point on it when literally every fucking character has done this at least three times

>>376229404
Will DOTA 2 have a rich and engaging storyline?

>>376228725
>>376229005
The in consistency of character design in-game, and cinematic modeling was always a thing with Blizzard North. Luckily that was never the driving focus of Blizzard game back then. They wanted a quality product. That is not so much today. Blizzard is not Blizzard anymore. It is Activation.

You faggots still will never realize this.

>>376229632
No, they can't even manage to make more game modes.

>>376228794
Uncertainty in matchmaking would make it more interesting. The matches don't last super long, and the matchmaking was so finely tuned that you'd always match with people just about at your skill level. Blizzard itself admitted that this was a problem a few years after release and added uncertainty to the matchmaking, but by that point I was burnt out.

Uncertainty makes it more fun because if you're matched with someone who is incredibly good, it gives you the opportunity to check the replay and learn a thing or two from them. If you match with someone who is incredibly bad, you can actually have some fucking fun for once as you stomp over someone like it's a campaign mission.

What'd you get instead were these constant nailbiter matches where every fight was an intense micro battle, and the smallest mistake would be what lost you the game. The old trite analogy of playing starcraft being akin to flying a helicopter (let go for a second and you'll crash) is pretty accurate.

tl;dr sometimes you just wanna stomp someone and have fun and you'd rarely ever get that in sc2

Is HotS even "a thing?"

I feel like the entire market is League and DOTA 2. Third parties are nonexistent.

It's like if people were arguing about the PlayStation 1 versus the Nintendo 64 and some retard ran in and yelled "The Atari Jaguar was better than either of them!"

>>376223001
Based blizzard gave us the hottest vidya babes in hots

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>tfw no Sylvanas gf

>>376220017
lol Warcraft story wont be finished in wow any time soon. they retcon stuff every expansions and now it's about multiverses they have infinite content.

>>376229786

HotS is pretty bad. I played dota 1 for a few years and dota 2 for 5 solid years. Maybe this is just a jaded dotard perspective but all of hots feels like you have very little impact on the consequence of the game. EXP is shared, there are no items, the laning phase doesn't last long at all, and the entire thing feels like it's tuned so that you have as minimal an impact as possible. There were no opportunities to completely turn a losing match, and the games really did seem to snowball out of control.

But it's keyed towards retards and casuals and they keep the ship afloat. I don't begrudge blizzard for recognizing the market and catering to a niche (knowing they couldn't compete with LoL and Dota), but it's absolutely not the game for me.

>>376229786
It just had a big update that basically turned it into Overwatch.

>>376229786
The one thing HOTS has over the others is presentation. It looks great and is polished as hell, but everything else is just mediocre. It's obvious they don't really give two shits about the gameplay itself considering "patch 2.0" changed absolutely nothing about the gameplay and only added more ways for Blizzard to take your shekels.

Pretty much holds true for every modern Blizzard game desu.

>>376229005

Her appearance didn't change in Brood War, that model was used in the ending cinematic in the original SC1. It's nothing like her SC2 look.

SC1: Wild, medusa-like hair, cybernetic parts on her body, small wings that extend spikes to attack along with long sword-like blades that extend from her forearms, a snarky, punkish attitude and human eyes, she's grounded and appropriate to the setting, feels like a cyberpunk character

SC2: Looks like she's been to the hairstylist as well as gotten a lip job, generic glowing eyes like every other magical Blizzard character, wings are huge and unwieldy, despite being the Queen of Blades she has no real blades on her body, flies around like a DBZ character complete with power glow and is impossible to take seriously, her personality is "boo hoo poor me please leave me alone, also please Raynor fuck me", feels like a WoW character

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>>376223001
Based Dustin Browder, goddamn what a refreshing perspective.

>>376220141

>Maps are so unfathomably bad that they completely change the entire way combat is played

>RAMPS EVERYWHERE
>Annoying macro mechanics just 'because'

>"Let's keep stuff in the game for Nostalgia factor, but let's also remove some of the most beloved units just cuz"

>Why build on a balanced game when we can just make up new shit and make it how we want?

>>376230028
The impact comes from macro rather than micro. Knowing what to do when, when to fight, when to go for objective, when to push core etc. Its a much more team focused game and takes a lot more coordination to do well in. You can't just sit in lane for 30 minutes.

midriff >>> ass >>>> tits

>>376223001
>this is a genre about empowerment
where do they get this shit from?

>>376229127

A book says she was captured and a ritual was made by Arthas to extract her soul, making her a banshee.

Another book says she was killed in the battlefield by Arthas himself and risen back as a banshee.

I think there is even another source that says she was just wounded in battle and then brought to Arthas.

Blizzard has not yet decided which is the canon one, not that it matter anyway, this all happened over 15 years ago.

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>>376230106
>>376229005
Nobody had any solid idea of what Kerrigan was supposed to look like before SC2. That's the wonder of low resolution.

I remember this picture was on starcraft.net for ages like it must've really amused somebody at Blizzard

>>376223484
>e-sport
>comp in general
cancer that ruins comfy and fun games.

>>376219716
>playing neo activion blizzard cuck games

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>>376230356
>You can't just sit in lane for 30 minutes.
Can't speak for LoL but in Dota the laning phase rarely lasted past 10 minutes.

>Its a much more team focused game
pic related

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>>376230421
marx and his subversive jews they wormed into academia, media, etc

>tfw you turned right wing because the kikes kept pushing more and more overt subversion and anti-white narratives into your fucking video games

>>376230119
>>376223001
When was this? I think by 2016 we were all starting to get tired of the gender commentary. After Gamergate everyone was just tired.

"You have to think about the message you're sending! The SEXISM!"
>"It's just boobs. Do you want to go ride bikes or something?"

>>376230421
It's nathan grayson, he's an infamous betacuck sjw.

I went to school for journalism because I grew up obsessed with tech magazines and vidya magazines. Thank god I shifted my career to tech, holy shit. In addition to journalism just fucking dying due to ad revenue loss, the entire industry has shifted to identity politics and virtue signaling. What a fucking joke.

>>376220447
Well, Warcraft 3 does have a lot of pop culture references, and not just in the unit's extra voices clips.

>>376229774
>tl;dr sometimes you just wanna stomp someone and have fun and you'd rarely ever get that in sc2

But thats exactly what a competitive matchmaking system is designed to prevent

>>376230710
2013

>>376230778
>But thats exactly what a competitive matchmaking system is designed to prevent
and yet it doesnt do that in any big multiplayer game except for sc2

>>376230028
>There were no opportunities to completely turn a losing match, and the games really did seem to snowball out of control.

this is objectively wrong

instead, you can be winning all game but then they win one teamfight and catch up in levels due to rubberbanding and suddenly you're at a massive disadvantage. This is the ONLY moba where huge turnarounds are possible after big snowballs.

You could instead complain about "wow this is BULLSHIT WE WERE WINNING AND NOW WE'RE LOSING" but that's a case of "stop farming kills and push the fucking towers"

>>376230819
Oh. I think that's a little after a lot of women's studies majors started graduating, and before they had all gotten jobs working for game magazines. Nobody knew what to make of the philosophy at first.

>>376230987
Reading your post makes me suddenly want a MOBA with a Mario Party/Mario Kart mechanic where the game is randomly handed to whoever is doing worst and whoever is winning gets punished

Imagine how much e-drama that could cause

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>>376229914

>>376230934
Which big multiplayer games are 1on1 AND have a decently sized community so it can even work to begin with?

Of course a system like that would work much worse in a team based game

>>376230987
Dota 2 has plenty of comeback potential, arguably too much.
You just won't ever witness it in pubs because subhuman trash on losing team will give up after 5 minutes.

>>376230453
And Arthas kills her and raises her as a banshee in Warcraft 3.

>>376230934
there would probably be a lot less variance with 1v1 as opposed to 5v5 or 3v3

>>376229786
I played league from early 2010 until the end of 2014 and cant stand it now started playing hots during its beat in early 2015 and have been since

Played a bit of dota as a kid but was terrible at it and played a bit of it when dota 2 launched and didnt like certain aspects

Mostly felt that the view of the screen needed to be backed out by about 50% and I didnt find alot of the items fun but the same could be said for league

>>376223001
To be honest they did take that feedback, take look at Overwatch. It has sexy women, but also fatties, wrinkled old ladies, and of course people of every race and belief system.

>>376230453
in wc3 she was killed and raised on the spot

>>376229418
I agree. SC2 > SCBW. It was a literal upgrade across the board in every way. The game and meta are continuing to evolve well past the point where the devs have stopped doing balance changes.

Blizzard just fucked up the UI in Wings of Liberty which is why the casual fanbase was non-existent. The UI of Legacy of the Void is what they should have had back in Wings, but they were just too late.

>that feel when no friends to do the Nexus Challenge with

A-at least solo queue as Mecha Tassadar is fun...

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>>376231517
>sc2 better than brood war

I've never hated someone for an imageboard post until today.

>>376231517
What UI changes did they make?

>>376231517
is there such a thing as pro sc2 anymore?

>>376231394
>fatties
Roadhog isnt female
>Old ladies
Captain Amari skin fixes that
>every race and belief system
Brown girls > White girls

>>376229774
No I disagree. Most games do what you're talking about, not by design, but by ineptitude.
Blizzard managed to do something no developer has been able to do properly and people whined enough that they changed it? That's retarded.

I mean I can understand not wanting that in normal non-ranked play and maybe starcraft doesn't have casual matchmaking, but if it does that really is retarded.

>>376231762
Nope.

Hoping the SC remake means they'll admit their fuckups with Diablo and Warcraft as well desu.

>>376230934
1v1 matchmaking is actually accurate. If you hit Masters/GM, you deserved to be there.

In DotA, I have friends with literal shit for brains in 4/5k who argue/flame allies and still get carried to wins.

You can't compare matchmaking in team games to 1v1.

>>376231394
>fatties
Mei isn't fat, she is the actual old definition of thick before fatfags ruined it. She wide but still has an hourglass figure.

>>376229418
>>376231517
I think Supreme Commander is probably a more engaging RTS with better mechanics, but it gets nowhere near the same notoriety because it didn't have the same branding power.

Blizzard games are like the sliced lunch meats of video games. You find them everywhere and they work in plenty of situations but they really aren't that great.

>>376231915
You can be morbidly obese and still have an hourglass figure.

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>>376219716
WC3 and vanilla devs are on hots and overwatch so why not

>>376231762
No more korean drama, but there are still pro tournaments with relatively large prize pools

>>376231762
Artosis and Tasteless will hold that scene up by the end of their erect dicks until they both die.

>>376232028
fat doesn't distribute like that

t. pre-athletic now morbidly obese

>WoW ends with Sargeras dieing
>one of the assault ships/planet crash through a blackhole/portal
>survivors (some mc's and tens of thousands of various wow races/classes) land on a new fantasy planet
>warcraft 4

>>376232113

>WoW's final credits ends with a trailer for Warcraft 4

>>376232105
You can be really fat, properly overweight and still technically speaking have an hourglass figure.
Hourglass figure is not a good enough description of thicc.

>>376232113
>WoW
>end

>>376231394
they're two different teams

the HotS team does not give a shit

>>376231797
I personally quit playing because of the matchmaking system. I get ladder anxiety, and it wasn't assisted by the game trying to make sure I was always going to get a 50% win rate. For me, it did it by swinging like a pendulum between wins and losses.

I get frustrated, and when I get frustrated I'll keep going at something. I'd lose, get mad and play another, then lose, and do this seven times in a row. Lose every game that day. Then the next day, the MMR would update and I'd win every game. I could have a beer and play with one hand and just roll over people until I got bored.

I finally quit after a winning streak like that. I was up five wins and knew that when I logged in tomorrow, the matchmaking system was going to punish me by fishing for players above my level. I didn't feel like having another losing streak, so I didn't play anymore.

>>376219716
Arthas is the worst looking model by far and all of the players can agree on that. Look at someone better like Malfurion or Tyrande.

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>>376232196
>>376232105
>>376232028
I think it's just an illusion carefully maintained by clothing

There's a reason this woman and Kat Dennings never appear in anything with a midriff

WC4 will still have customs regardless of how shit the base game is

>>376227576

Kerrigan always reminds me of how I imagined Lilith from the Diablo novels, while I'm not big on SC.

So yeah, very much

>>376232270
Jeff "Tigole Bitties" Kaplan doesnt care either

Look at Widowmaker's humongous ass and Witch Mercy in general

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>>376232546
Widowmaker even has an ass inflation attack

>>376229418
>best observer and tournament and chat tools
sorry but dota 2's spectator stuff absolutely blows sc2 out of the water.

>>376231181

>shooting bows while wearing massive ornate gauntlets

>>376232642
>video game

>>376231517
>Blizzard just fucked up the UI in Wings of Liberty which is why the casual fanbase was non-existent
why do you say this when it's the brood war vets who have a problem with sc2?

>>376230421
I mean he's not necessarily wrong if you remove gender and sexuality from the background of the conversation

A lot of action games are designed around making the player feel powerful

>>376232334
>I was always going to get a 50% win rate

this is literally how almost every matchmaking system works except for a few oddball cases

if you are truly facing people your skill, you should have a 50% winrate.

>NO THE GAME IS CONSPIRING AGAINST ME

that's not how it works

>>376223001

>genre about empowerment

to begin with I don't know where they are getting this from, but how could anyone feel empowered when everyone is empowered?

>2016+1
>Still sucking Blizzardvisions cock
No thanks. I play Vanilla for a nostalgia fix from time to time, but that's about it.

>>376232890
maybe they mean they ned more power-ups

>>376232605
They admitted that was a glitch and fixed it by making it huge all the time

>>376232698
brood war vets are such a minority that it really doesn't matter what they think

>>376233060
sad that that minority probably outnumbers the people still wasting their time with sc2 though

>>376233060
>the entire country of South Korea
>minority

>>376233215
>South Korea
>50 million out of 7+ billion
>not a minority

???

>>376233215
didn't realize we were talking about League of Legends or Overwatch

>>376232954
>I won't suck Actiblizz cock
>But this Russian and Chinese cock is delicious

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>>376232345
Well I'd say it's a good thing if even the worst model garners a positive reaction.

But I thought Prince Arthas was updated anyway.

>>376228794
I guess he means that balance is good as long as it doesn't cause the game to feel sterlie, which the SC2 very much feels like.

>>376233430

the old one was better.
blizz really cant keep a design simple anymore.

>>376221394
>soulless
lol, have you seen the amount of interactions, voice-lines and references in this game?

Of course you haven't, you've never even touched the game.

>>376233595
honestly a lot of the stuff in hots (and blizzard games in general) is overdesigned trash. sometimes they stray into parody (guldan having spikes on his spikes when he's 'corrupted')

>>376233725
>lol, have you seen the amount of interactions, voice-lines and references in this game?
overwatch has interactions, voice-lines and references and still manages to be soulless.

>>376233818
CHEAHS LOV, DA CAVALRYS HEAH

>>376233725
fallout 2 had alot of cool hip references too dudemanbro

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>>376233595
>warcraft
>simple designs
have you been living on another planet
WC has always been over designing stuff

>>376233895
utterly focus-group driven, zero originality, inoffensive, disney squeaky clean. overwatch and other blizzard games feel like they are made by a boardroom full of marketing execs rather than actual artists and designers.

>>376233939
References were apparently the best kinds of jokes in the 90's-00's to make.

>>376233725
Multiplayer games have trouble having soul on their own, let alone a F2P cosmetics shop IP meta mishmash game trying to capitalize on the MOBA trend.

>>376234096
simply not enough pauldrons

>>376233725
>lol, have you seen the amount of interactions, voice-lines and references in this game?
you mean the ones that disappeared after 2,0 and suddenly some more voice lines can be found in loot boxes?

>>376219716
>see the state of Heroes of the Storm
>makes me dread Warcraft IV
Why? A moba and RTS are two different type of games

>>376234263
just a change in artstyle anon

>>376234547
you're right, op should've used sc2 instead. state of sc2 makes me dread wc4

>>376234547
>implying blizzard knows this now

>>376233939
>I don't know the difference between references and pop-culture references
merely pretending xD!
>>376234248
I agree, but from all the relevant games its probably the lowest offender
>>376234425
Thats most likely a bug though, lets not be stupid. The interactions were specific, the voice-lines are generic. There is zero overlap. Plus the announcers are missing some lines like the generic "Let the battle begin!" that even announcer packs are currently lacking

>>376234547
>>376234628

I interpreted it as "current state of Blizzard"

>>376226207
look up the definition of "meme", you dip
and no, not on Know your Meme

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"Free-to-Play is a delusion granted to the weak by the strong. Or so I've heard."

What did he mean by this?

No, seriously, what does it mean?

>>376234628
The only reason I agree is because of how bad blizzard cucked the UMS community. I don't know how good the tools are for SC2 map creation, but holy shit is it impossible to find new fun custom maps with the system they have.

That aside SC2 is a great game if you look past the story, which at this point you have to do for WCIV because WoW lore hasn't even been passable since WotLK.

>>376234096
Old WC designs were detailed but weren't as uniform as the post-wow shit they've been putting out.
Before WoW, huge pauldrons weren't a necessary thing to put on every single character ever, even the fucking mages.
Your picture proves it as well.

Whats the point of characters having a difficulty level associated with them?

I started playing Kerrigan after getting Queen of Ghosts from a loot box and she doesnt feel hard to play at all despite being labeled as such

>>376234887
The strong pay to win, literally

>>376220462
hots has the best dev team of all blizzard games you pleb

>>376234910
>because WoW lore hasn't even been passable since WotLK.
Hey now MOP was nice and had some cool lore.

>>376229206
>It has way more hero diversity than lol or dota
What the actual fuck men

>>376235020
depends on how stupid your enemies are

Kerrigan is easy to grasp, but not necessarily easy to utilize. The kit is simple but its not simple to use. I'd rather rate her as medium, hard is a little overestimated

>>376235020
I feel the same about Abathur

>>376232817
Most ladders work by trying to set you up against the player closest to your rank in ladder. Ideally, you climb until you can climb no more, and it's hard to say if you'll get a match above or below you.

SC2 tried to place you based on an algorithmic measure of skill. You didn't climb from the bottom up, learning along the way. You started where it put you, and if you did too well it adjusted and sacked you with players that were above your level. If you did too poorly, it threw newbs at you.

Playing consecutive games really threw it for a loop, because it seemed to update on a daily basis, so you would get some days where there'd be no point in playing. Every match would be a loss or a win depending on how you did yesterday.

>>376219716
WC4 will never happen.

If by some bullshit chance that it does, it will probably be a shitty prequel or tie-in to the movie franchise.

You WILL NEVER GET A TRUE WC4 EXPERIENCE FROM BLIZZARD AND IF IT HAPPENS I WILL EAT THE SHIT OF AN AIDS PATIENT

>>376220745
>Only Arthas' story arc was any good. After that it's muh noble orcs. Muh corruption. Muh orcs team up with humans to beat the eeeeviilllll demons. Just trash.
This when I revisit Warcraft3 story I play humans, undead campaign and then skip right over to FT Undead campaign because everything else is just garbage.

>>376235143
Abathur requires a higher level of awareness than other characters, especially if you plant yourself in a lane for exp(which you should)

>>376230106
>that extend spikes to attack along with long sword-like blades that extend from her forearms
>despite being the Queen of Blades she has no real blades on her body
You're talking a lot of shit do you know that?

>>376219716
If they have an extensive map editor everything will be okey