How can it be saved? What needs to be done to restore it to it's

It needs to die

So I have never played a Final Fantasy game and I'm always confused every couple years when a new one comes out. Apparently it used to be an actual fantasy game series, and it had turn based combat, but now it has modern characters and settings, also it's no longer turn based, yes?

It seems like, much like Fallout, this series is losing more of its RPG elements as time goes on, and is becoming more of a GTA-esque action adventure thing. The latest one looks like fantasy GTA to me.

>>376204183
>Former glory

>>376204183
It's too late.

it's been dead for almost 20 fucking years, just let it go

>>376204360
Yeah, at some point it turned into "mall kids save the world" with more and more intersection with modern technology.
I long for a return to medieval-fantasy, where a peasant goes from scrubbing goats' asses to saving the world. FFXI was the last time they really nailed it.

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>big open world islands/continents
>travel on foot very limited by blocked paths/sea and your means to travel improve by investing into story/side quests
>CTB combat system
>nobuo uematsu
>storyline areas offering multiple routes to explore
>a small party
>a fish out of water hero who doesn't know the world and the player slowly discovers it together with hero
>not too political
>villain having good motive so you have to ask yourself if he/she should be stopped
>very hard optional bosses and locations
>a lot of optional quests and items to be found, crafted or obtained elsewhere (stolen from enemies for example)
>after playing through halfway of the story the game asks you to insert second disc just as a nod to older players
>a lot of missables as you progress through the story
>hidden time counter to obtain a powerful weapon at the end of the game when every location is at your disposal
>cosmetics obtained by playing the game and not purchasing a DLC

>there are people who don't get FF

If you want normal medieval adventures, Dragon Quest is up ahead.

FF has always been about experimenting around and only the western market gives a fuck about the franchise.

>>376204183
Go back to sprites

Bring up the materia system again

More tactics games for job class fun

Less boy bands, more adventurers

>>376206682
>FF has always been about experimenting
You again.

If you want a more normal JRPG adventure game, just play Dragon Quest. Final Fantasy is all about shaking things up these days.

>>376206906
No, we do not want to play your "Dragon Ball"

>>376206906
>Final Fantasy is all about ripping things off these days.
ftfy

>>376206682
>Only the Western market gives a fuck about the franchise.
That's not true. The series is still big in Japan.

>>376204183
why does it need to be saved? Didn't you have enough?
You have at your disposal 43659345 games in this franchise. give it a rest

That's simple, OP!
We kill the Square Enix!

>>376207134
>tfw Japan only loves FF14, because they fucking hate WoW's artstyle
ayy lmao

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>>376204183
Make a proper successor to Crystal Chronicles and explicitly retcon all the Wii and DS games.

Restore Team Ivalice

>>376204183
Final Fantasy 3 with open world and more classes in 3D

>>376207263
The series' creator doesn't care anymore and hates Nintendo's guts, not gonna happen.

>>376204460
This. FF1 was a middling DQ1 clone that did a few things right but a lot of shot wrong, 2 was the flawed prototype for SaGa, 3 is the blandest RPG ever, 4 is a hand holding narrative experience with a shit story, etc. 5, 6 and 7 was the franchise's peak, and even then they were just pretty good RPGs with several flaws. There's stuff worth experiencing throughout the franchise, especially the music and art, but people who think it was ever some kind of shining achievement of JRPGs needs a reality check.

>>376206534
>cosmetics obtained by playing the game and not purchasing a DLC
Never

>>376207263
This

>>376207451
It's not Nintendo's fault the The Crystal Bearer was dogshit.

>>376207451
Why does he hate Nintendo?

>>376204360
>Apparently it used to be an actual fantasy game series, and it had turn based combat, but now it has modern characters and settings, also it's no longer turn based, yes?
Fantasy does not mean LotR/D&D ripoff. 7 and 8 were both futuristic.

Gas the metrosexuals.

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SE should just do what everyone else is doing and make a souls FF game. Since the next FF game will most likely be shit/take another decade.

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>he didn't get the superior game back in the 90's instead of FFVII

>>376207774
>7 and 8

When I say 'used to be' I'm talking about the original games, not the seventh sequel

>>376206534
Kinda sounds like bravely default?

>>376207652
Didn't say it was Nintendo's fault.
>>376207692
Can't say for sure, but he's giving Nintendo a long series of middle fingers since almost a decade, even the remasters of his former Nintendo million sellers are all going to Sony platforms now, mobile even.
Rumours say he and Nintendo had bad blood since the SNES days due to him wanting bigger cartridges for his games and getting cockblocked by Nintendo repeatedly, but these are all just rumours.
Hell, even for the first FFCC Yamauchi himself asked him very politely if he would please make a FF game for the GC, that he did, but he quickly lost interest as the series went on, he just doesn't seem to like working with Nintendo for some reason.

>>376207774
>Fantasy does not mean LotR ripoff
lol yes it does

>>376204183
Literally just make FFXI-2.

they keep saying they will release on pc, I can't see it happening.

Steamspy will show how shitty it sells and they can't have that, they always like to control these numbers to avoid shame with a title like this.

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1.- Get a competent director that is willing to tell a story.
2.- Give him a list of FF "must have"
3.- Let the guy carry his vision of a FF game, don't change it around all the time during development.

>>376208817
So games 1 through 5? FF6 was hardly "traditional" fantasy and even as far back as FF1 they've featured science fiction elements. They made the first 7 games in 10 years. It took them 20 more years to push out another 8 mainline titles. So what's your definition of the "original games?"

>>376208850
Kinda sounds like old Final Fantasy games

>>376204183
>How can it be saved?
???? Saved of what exactly?
FFXV sold 6 million, Next DLC (Prompto) is comiong out
FFXIV is getting an expansion soon and it's still doing good, it's also getting an Ivalice 24 Raid
FFXII remaster coming out this summer and will probably be the next Port to Steam
FFVIIR trailer coming out at the E3 and the 1st part is coming out in 2018
2nd and last part of FFVIIR --> ????
FFXVI --> ???
FF type 1/Next--> ??? (Sequel to type 0)
Endless mobileshit game like FFRK/FFBE/Dissidia Omnia/Mobius
Dissidia Final Fantasy Arcade ---> a new character is coming out tomorrow
FFXI mobile
.....
etc

>>376209431
Nobody's saying that it doesn't print money, people complain that those games are shit.

>>376209323
Yeah but I thought he wants something new

>>376209431
Save in quality. The last good Final Fantasy was released in 2002. The only hopeful project in the foreseeable future is a remake of the most selling title in this franchise released in 1997.

SE grew so much it's considered a failure if their game sells only 3,5M copies. That's why they pander to "gamer" and not "player" audience.

>>376204360
FF1 had flying ships and robots in it.

No more MMO's no one plays those
No more phone games
No more modern settings
Turn based

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>>376206534
>hidden time counter to obtain a powerful weapon at the end of the game when every location is at your disposal
You can fuck right off with that Excalibur II shit boy

>>376210634
MMO and phone games are big in Asia
Every FF since first one is mixture of medieval fantasy and futuristic science-fiction
ATB is not turn based system

>>376207263
Why doesn't someone just make a spiritual successor to FF:CC yet. The concept was just too early to execute at its release but so damn easy now. 3DSs linking to WiiU seemed like the floodgates bursting for this. Real full on CO-OP games sound fun as fuck

>>376211196
Read>>376207451
It's over buddy, FFCC is also one of the less successful spinoffs so Squenix has no interest in exhuming its corpse.

>>376210208
>ff1 robot
Good god help me my entire party is DEAD

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>>376208143
>he didn't enjoy all PSX RPGs

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>>376211420
>finally get around to playing FF1
>get to the bridge
>it turns out almost every step is an enemy encounter
4 Warriors is a blast to play, but there are a few moments where you really wish you had access to life and Tiamat's crib was enough of a worry without taking Warmech into consideration.

>>376210883
>can't even get it in the PAL version because 50Hz

>>376211849
You can, it's hard to though.

>>376210883
Man it's optional. You don't even need it to break the game and be insanely powerful. It's just something to give the game a reason to speedrun it the next time with real ingame satisfaction if you manage to do it.

>>376213452
It's also possible to obtain ExII in perfect run, though probably not on PAL.

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>>376204183
They fell for the open world meme, the story execution has gone downhill since ff9 and they have yet to find a balance between turn based and standard fighting.

Final fantasy for me was always a journey trough a fantasy world. Not some fallout 4 tier shit map. Even witcher 3 has more diversity with the locations you can visit.

>>376204183
XV already saved it, FFXV was Sakaguchi's GOTY for 2016.

>>376208884
11-2? That's happening. It's a smartphone game that, if we're not lucky, might just kill off the real FF11 because they don't want to maintain two online games with the same setting.

>>376209665
You mean faggots with shit taste complain that it isn't pandering to them.

>>376210080
All of the big recent FFs are very high quality though.

>SE grew so much it's considered a failure if their game sells only 3,5M copies
No they deemed a fucking AAA game which in this case was TR at 3m to be underperforming because that objectively is for an AAA game underperforming, then it sold 6m a year later then 8m further on and they said it exceeded their expectations.

Do you not know how AAA games work?