Is Demon's Souls the single most influential game of the

>>376191591
While CoD4 was a great game, it also singlehandedly killed video games. Souls has had nowhere near as much impact.

>>376191591
So what have we actually gotten?

>Nioh
>Lords of the Fallen
>Lords of the Fallen 2 (May have fallen into development hell; hasn't been publicly mentioned since early 2015)
>The Surge
>Salt and Sanctuary
>Death's Gambit

>>376191591
Resident Evil 4

>>376191696
That new Code Vein game or whatever that Namco's pushing out

>>376191591
>Is Demon's Souls the single most influential game of the past decade in terms of both mechanics and aesthetics?
no

>>376191591
Unironically Super Mario Bros. back in '85.

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>doom
>pac man
>tetris
>pokemon
>golden eye
>ff7
>GTA3
>wii sports

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>>376192268
>past decade

>>376191591
Gameplay is pretty much identical with MH. Even then, then "atmosphere" and general difficult was already done by a 2001 game called Blade of Darkness.

>>376191696
You forgot
>memes

>>376192485
I was answering to:
>when was the last time a single game had this much impact?

>>376192586
>souls has the same gameplay as MH

I rarely see this said, but when I do it's always by people who genuinely believe they know what they're talking about. You're a retard. They're nothing alike.

>muh obscure action game before souls hurr
>what is king's field
>what is otogi
>what is kingdom under fire
>what is a thousand other games

>>376193213
Ah, of course.

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>>376191591
Only Souls game I haven't finished..

The Souls franchise is the strongest franchise to come out in the past 6 (7?) years, period

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>>376191591

>>376191752
That piece of shit looks nothing like a souls game, it looks like god eater fucked tokyo ghoul and tried to abort it
>but what about prepare to dine
they knew the soulstoddlers would easily fall for the marketing, which they did

what is it with soulsfags and thinking anything with a stamina bar and dodging is a souls-like game?

OoT

>>376191591
>it seems like everything is copying something from Souls nowadays. when was the last time a single game had this much impact?
Megalomania to believe Demon Souls was the impact when it was Dark Souls that looped the casual sale in. Delusion of grandeur to think anyone else gave a shit that wasn't pandering to dipshits that ate up the souls meme.

>>376193393
>From hires Cavia ex-employees to design their latest game

Honestly the only thing souls brought to gaming was its pvp being fused with the single-player experience. How many games have actually copied this?

>>376195641
None, because souls didn't even pull it off correctly to begin with. From just wants to keep pushing the garbage without addressing the issues with it and people keep paying for it. So ya know they aren't not going to turn away money.

>>376191591
>this much conformation bais
11 games out of thousands of games that have come out in the last decade are Soul clones.

>when was the last time a single game had this much impact?
Most of them. The only games that have really changed the market are GTA3 and Oblivion/Skyrim

Super Mario Bros./64
DOOM
Final Fantasy/7
The Legend of Zelda/OoT
Halo/2/3
GTA 3/SA/VC
Morrowind/Oblivion
Metal Gear Solid
Silent Hill or Resident Evil

Only thing Demon's Souls has influenced is a community of people who quit CoD in the early 2010s to think that they feel like the new messiah of gaming has come.

>>376193345

in fairness it got very "fuck you that's why" at points.

>>376191735
Naw. There were tps shooter horror hybrids before re4

>>376191591

Demons Souls
Street Fighter 2
Resident Evil 1
Resident Evil 4
Final Fantasy VII
Mario 64
Uncharted
Castlevania SOTN
Super Metroid
Tekken

Most influential games of all time

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>>376196023
the fire clowns aren't fun, nor the black rolling katana skeletons...

how are axes in demons souls? Just looking for a fun weapon that's easy to get that I can use to beat the game with

>>376196230

Guillotine Axe is one of the most fun weapons in the game.

>>376196230
just use the falchion +1 once you find it

>>376196152
>Castlevania SOTN
>Super Metroid

Castlevania directly copied from super metroid so I wouldn't call it influential.. it was clearly influenced by something else on this list.

>>376196382

Sort of.

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>>376191591
demon's souls just copied NES and N64 games
half the combat mechanics like backstabs and shields and z-lock are straight from ocarina of time

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>>376196152
>No games pre-1990

>>376196454
Miyazaki wanted the combat in DeS to be somewhere between Zelda and Onimusha, iirc

>>376196454

Not really.

>>376196327
How do I force pure black world tendency to get it?

>>376196152
>Castlevania SOTN
Influential how?

>>376195508
Without Demon's Souls Dark Souls would not exist though.

>>376196606

Kill yourself over and over in body form in the level.

>>376195508
I often think about this, does DaS deserve it for being the true point of mainstream breakthrough or does DeS deserve it for coming first and basically codifying almost everything in DaS.

As a game, DaS was more influential because when people copy the 'souls formula' they are not copying DeS, they're copying DaS. That said, the importance of DeS cannot be overstated and being directly influential is not the be all and end all of a legacy.

>>376196860
Does Doom deserve it, or the FPS that came before and inspired Doom?

You have your answer.

>>376196987
Well, Doom wouldn't exist without Wolfenstein 3D

ASSCreed is the biggest in the last decade regarding the reach of its influence

>no mention of Half-Life or Half-Life 2 in this thread
Literally how?

>when was the last time a single game had this much impact?

Team Fortress 2. It started the whole hero shooter fad. But yeah, it's probably Souls all around. Other than just straight up getting clones, a shitload of devs say Souls inspired them in some way.

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Y'all are looking too much at the exact gameplay queues and not the broader picture. Demon's Souls started a revival of many different aspects in gaming. Minimal storytelling is more prevalent now than it has been in years, the Eye Stone/soapstone mechanics had been done before but after Demon's Souls it seemed to explode as developers seemed to start thinking of new ways to tackle co-op and PvP, games outside the DMC-sphere of games seem to be incorporating more aspects of dodging, blocking, and emphasis on patience, timed gameplay rather than button mashing (seriously so many "action games" for the PS2 were just button mashers), and more emphasis on fulfilling, intelligent set design rather than linear corridors with views of places you'd want to go explore but can't (though this is something that probably hasn't changed all that much now).

Question about MOBAs from someone who sits as far away in the room from MOBAs as can be helped: what game really set off the popular MOBA fad? LoL comes to mind but I don't know enough about the genre to say.

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>>376196623
>one of the two games that codified Metroidvania is influential how?

>>376197607
All it does is copy Metroid and add RPG elements. I would not call that codifying anything.
I mean shit, the term "Metroidvania" originally just referred to Castlevania games that were aping Metroid.

Pah, look at all the DotA clones, the minecraft clones, then later dayZ and it's thousand brethren. Look at how every game now has some version of asscreed vision. Look at how every game now has microtransactions out the ass, how so many big budget titles go f2p. Those are the trends driving the industry, Souls is small fries.

>>376191591
No, Assassin's Creed is.

>>376195641
The first watchdogs did something like this where a player could go into your game and your shit up unless you find him and take him out
There was this other fps that did something similar

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>>376193393
This game looks so fucking bad jesus christ what a waste of money.

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>>376197607
excuse me but no

Most influential 7th gen would be WoW or COD4

Everything was either a COD Clone or a WoW clone

Souls popularity is vastly overrated & is actually pretty niche in the grand scheme of things, i believe Dark Souls only sold 3mil copies, meanwhile shitty unfinished indie games on Steam like Playerunknown sell 2mil in a month

>>376197187
anon its been longer then a decade since their release

>>376191696
Nu-GoW looks like it's going the souls route

>>376198195
No, it's clearly Last of Us

>>376198172
>7th gen

I'd also argue RE4 / Gears of War for all the third person shooters

>>376198178
Did you even fucking read OP post?
>when was the last time a single game had this much impact? CoD4? GTA3?
I notice you aren't jumping on OP's ass for not following OP's "influential games of the last decade" guidelines you somehow believe he laid out for mentioning GTA3.

Fuck off.

>>376198348
True, Uncharted seems to take the credit for that these days but it was those 2

>>376198317
Nothing resembles TLOU other than kratos having a son. The combat looks just like a souls game

>>376197330
>Question about MOBAs

The first DotA map for WC3. Period. It was the first "game" of the moba genre, got hyped instantly and loads of teams got onto making clones instantly as well.

>>376198670
christ you're dumb

>>376198670
*his wife's son
>>376198703
Aeons of Strife

>>376193393
This will flop. Never go full weeb

>>376198763
(You)

>>376198817
Why are you obsessed with cuckolding?

>>376193393
Who needs weight in their action games anyway

>>376193358
Eh DaS & BB are really good, but the rest fall flat

I got out my old PS3 & played some DeS, aged pretty poorly compared to it's sequels

>>376198195
Also DarkSiders III.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk_D2NSdOvA&t=7m29s

Cave Story

>>376198997
Looks nothing like Souls, stop saying every ARPG is a Souls clone

Christ you probably think Majora's Mask or Medieval ripped off Souls

>>376198817
>Aeons of Strife

I hear it's what DotA is based on but still, if the question is what made MOBAs have their big breakthrough, it's DotA hands down. Like, for years people would just say "DotA clone" instead of MOBA, that term didn't even pop up till way later

>>376198990
DeS can feel a bit shitty in places if you're used to all the minor quality of life improvements made over the various sequels, but it's one of the best put together games with some of the best atmosphere of the series.

>>376199081
>stop saying every ARPG is a Souls clone
I never started.

>Christ you probably think Majora's Mask or Medieval ripped off Souls
Swing and a miss.

>>376199206
>Swing and a miss.

wow, so your saying Morrowind ripped off Souls now too?

I believe there are two games left in the world, and they are both inspiring nearly every game that takes place in 3D and features combat

Shadow of the Colossus

and

Demon's Souls

if a game is not borrowing one's aesthetic, it's one's scale, one's mechanic's, one's atmosphere, etc

>>376199258
Next are you going to tell me Nioh wasn't heavily inspired by Souls?

>>376193393
>Always has a companion

So it's perma ez mode

>>376198997
>>376198195
Comparing those to Souls makes it seem like you haven't played any action games other than Souls. The combat in that series is the least innovative thing about it, it's almost OoT combat.

>>376199307
>they are both inspiring nearly every game that takes place in 3D and features combat
Dude, Ace Combat fits those criteria.
I think you might just be full of shit.

>>376199391
Nioh is more Onimusha meets Diablo
They used the Souls meme to get people to buy it

>>376193213
everyone who plays MH sais that lol DS is for the hype only

>>376199502
you're right, I was too general

>>376198030
What's bad about it?
It's literally souls.

>>376196172
Learn to parry fag

>>376198978
Longswords never had any weight in DS games either, especially DS3.
So unless you can direct to of footage of the character swinging a car sized weapon like a dagger, shut the fuck up.

>>376199434
Wow, thanks you got me. My only action game i ever played was dark souls...

>>376199153
The bosses are garbage though.

>>376199630
The shit tier animations.

>>376198990
How does DS3 fall flat?

>>376191591
The soul series games are pretty fucking boring. The most fun i guess i had was BB and it wasn't even that great. I'm glad I've only spent $12 on it considering i plat the game in 10 days.

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>>376191591
Demon's Souls is a very precious and pure video game, I say this gay overdramatic shit a lot but here goes one more time

It was a very dark time for video games back then where everyone was just trying to make as much money as possible by pumping out trash to attract the Call of Duty audience as well as making "breaking new ground" by making terrible cinematic experience "games", but then one company decided to say fuck it to all this bullshit and actually just make a fucking video game for those of us that actually wanted to play a video game.

Demon's Souls isn't perfect, far from it, but it'll always be my hero. It was new and innovative, and all it had to do was take it back to the basics

also check em

>>376199768
Not him but they're garbage throughout the entire series.

>>376193393
fuck this looks like it plays horribly

>>376193393
why does every character animate like their body is made of slime?

>>376199835
Looks just like DS3.

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>>376193393
stop trying to STEAL SOULS SETTINGS AWAY FROM FROM

>>376199890
Haha, no.

DeS bosses are puzzles who offer near zero mechanical challenge.
Bosses in the other games are mostly merchanical.

>>376196130
Over the shoulder has become the norm for all third person games though.

>>376199946
That's what they said about the first Bloodborne gamrplay trailer.

>>376199886
>but then one company decided to say fuck it to all this bullshit and actually just make a fucking video game for those of us that actually wanted to play a video game.
>Demon's Souls isn't perfect, far from it, but it'll always be my hero. It was new and innovative, and all it had to do was take it back to the basics
But Demon's Souls started out as something else and it wasn't doing too well, Miyazaki unfucked it by pure chance as the higher ups were so convinced it was going to flop, Miyazaki ordered a complete series of overhauls since if it was going to flop, at least he could try anything

Go read

>>376193393
Day one buy, I really want to see someone else's take on souls, FROM/Miyazaki is just too predictable at this point.

>>376200023
You have shit for eyes man. There is a thin line between Souls and Monster Hunter and this isn't on the Souls side of it.

>>376200068
They all suck. But I'd argue that at least DeS bosses had some dank ass lore and intrigue to them. I could probably remember more of the bosses from that game than the others.

>>376200076
RE4 also reinvigorated the use of QTEs, especially in cutscenes.

>>376200143
probably thought it was gonna flop because they weren't doing what everyone else was doing

>>376199434
Why do you think I'm only referring to combat?

>>376198030
Does that game actually involve raping or is it just for panty shots?

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>>376193393
>sword is as tall as the character holding it
>"I-it's just a longsword it's not even supposed to have weight! SHUT UP!"

But Souls is pretty much exactly just 3D Castlevania (with a shitty tacked-on online mechanic.)

>>376200383
what does your dick tell you

>>376200406
>But Souls is pretty much exactly just 3D Castlevania
Except for good map exploration.

>>376200212
So Dragon God, Old Hero, Leechmonger, Dirty Colosus and Storm King are on the same level of quality as O&S, Artorias, Manus, Kalameet, Raime, Alonne, Sinh, Smelter, Dancer, Champion, Pontiff, Nameless, Gael and Midir.

You nostalgiafags are a fucking goldmine, thank you.

>dank ass lore
What's the epic lore behind Leechmonger and Dirty Colossus?

There isn't any.

>>376200403
The character also happens to be, you know, superhuman.

But of course, muh weight.

>>376200527
Yes they're all challenging at best and what-the-fuck-ever at worst.

You're probably just a shitter.
>nostalgiafags
A retarded shitter apparently.

>>376200497
It's shit? I was just looking for more potential meme material. OC is a battle

>>376198030
Wow Yandev really sold out.

>>376200630
He asks you a question, answer it.

>What's the epic lore behind Leechmonger and Dirty Colossus?

>>376200682
>He
Keep grasping.

>>376200728
Wut?

>>376200630
>Yes they're all challenging at best and what-the-fuck-ever at worst.

Glad you agree.
DeS bosses by comparison range from "what-the-fuck-ever" to "lol, why is this a boss"?

I'm soo glad they took this series from a 6/10 game to mostly 9/10 games, you should too. This is why DeS is important, for what FROM learned from it, not because it's actually good since it's only ok at best.

>>376200527
>Old Hero
Didn't like fighting a blind guy? What are you? An ableist?

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>>376198030

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>it's a "DeS is the best one in the series" rerun

>>376200315
Because combat makes up 100% of the gameplay of Souls, God of War and Darksiders.

>>376199768
Flamelurker and False King were fun, and for a gimmick fight Storm King was a pretty cool spectacle

>>376200860
I don't agree. They're all bundled in the same pile of mostly forgettable bosses and my favs were in Demons Souls because of aforementioned reasons.

You're spastic though so stop replying to me.

>>376200913
DaS1 and Bloodborne are better games, but DeS still holds a special place for me

>>376199307
Has anyone actually borrowed SotC's mechanics, though?

Tons of games have featured cheap approximations of SotC's climbing on large enemies, but I haven't seen anything copy the way that SotC did i,t with extensive use of inverse kinematics, physics, deforming collision systems, etc. that make it feel like you're actually climbing on some big moving creature, rather than just playing a climbing section that happens to be on a big creature.

Reminds me a bit of how Super Mario 64 is hugely popular and influential, but somehow it seems like no one has really tried copying its acrobatic platforming.

>>376201209
>Tons of games have featured cheap approximations of SotC's climbing on large enemies,
Tons of games meaning... one?

>>376200497
tells me to tell you to stop being a faggot and tell us. Is it poorly animated 3d rape or is it just panties.

>>376200929
No it doesn't. Much of the time in Souls, possibly even the majority, is just walking around, figuring out where to go and shit.
There's also more than just gameplay in Souls. Did you not know that? Is that news to you?

I liked it the best. It's probably, objectively not the best, but at least it isn't Dark Souls 2.

>>376191696
shovel knight

>>376201323
yowai

>>376197330
>what game really set off the popular MOBA fad?

Warcraft 3. DoTA maps on WC3 are _still_ some of the most played maps, even over a decade later.

>>376192586
As a monhun and souls fan, I can tell you that they are nothing alike

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>>376191591
Action RPGs as a whole emerged from it.

>>376201328
Yes, you walk through the environments and look around, between fights. Fighting the mobs and bosses is the core of the series.
>There's also more than just gameplay in Souls.
There's more than just gameplay in a video game? I know what you're trying to say, but it just doesn't apply to Souls where there are almost no cutscenes and sparse dialogue. The story is told through encounters and battles, and then reading item descriptions.

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>>376193393
>Weeb Souls with floaty combat

>>376193393
At least it's not Dark Souls 4 - by Ninja Theory.

As long as they don't mess with real From games they can copycat/milk the formula all they want.

>>376201570
>it just doesn't apply to Souls where there are almost no cutscenes and sparse dialogue. The story is told through encounters and battles, and then reading item descriptions.
While trying to downplay non-combat elements in Souls, you've just described an approach to story telling that people are copying from Souls. Is this lost on you?

>>376200143
>Go read
What? Where? Seriously asking.

SAUCE!!!

>>376201089
hahaahhaah

>>376201816
>While trying to downplay non-combat elements in Souls
That's not what I'm doing, boy you're just raring to fight with someone aren't you? My only point in this discussion is that God of War and Darksiders are nothing like Souls.

>>376191591
What's Demon Souls? Some sort of Skyrim mod?

>>376202334
My only point is that you can copy things from Souls that aren't combat.

>>376202407
Sure I can agree with that, j-just don't go around saying GoW or Darksiders are copying Souls when they both came before.

>>376191591
>in terms of both mechanics and aesthetics?
Nah, whatever shitty mobile game was first and ended up creating approximately a billion clones that all have the exact same high contrast colorful palette with village building and timers on being able to do fucking anything. That's the most influential game of the last decade.

>>376195308
>what is it with soulsfags and thinking anything with a stamina bar and dodging is a souls-like game?
Because the majority of the Souls fanbase is fucking stupid. C'mon now, what kind of question is that, mate. You should know better.

>>376191696
Darkest Dungeon

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>>376191696
don't forget all the indieshit that takes inspiration but are not full clones.
Apotheon
DarkMaus
Eitr
Shovel Knight (bloodstains)
Hollow Knight
Hyper Light Drifter
Necropolis
Hellpoint (this one's a pretty big clone)

and 10000 other titles, which take just a little somethin from souls (often admitted by the indie devs, whose favourite video game is always dark souls)

>>376198130
Aawww shit Zeliard.

>>376191696
Add Rogue Legacy to the list as they were originally trying to make a 2D Souls but ended up going more rogue due to budget.

>>376197330
This is very true. I remember an interview with a CDPR dev who said he had played Demon's Souls multiple times through, and that they were trying to channel some of the game into Witcher 2. The influence of various aspects of these games which people enjoy is wide-reaching.

>>376200118
Bloodborne does play horribly. It's not hyperbole that the best general tactic is running up to enemies and mashing the attack button.

>>376200527
Isn't Dirty Colossus just sentient dirt or something?

>>376203478
woah, indie devs truly are original

>>376204286
meh, I'm not sure original thoughts even exists. Every piece of media is a blend of things that the creator has experienced. Souls isn't unique itself, and the things that miyazaki drew inspiration from were not original things either.

i'm sure there's some pretentious youtube video on this subject of originality i could link but i'd have to google it

>>376203746
If you choose to play the game that way you invalidate your own opinion. You're doing it either to clear the game as quickly as you can with no care for the style and atmosphere, or to prove that the game is easy, which it is but especially if you play it like a meta-sperglord.

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>>376191591
>tfw nobody remembers the game that invented cover based third person shooters, only the games inspired by it

>>376201551
Is this a joke or are you just young and clueless?

>>376196454
not really. kings field games, which are 1st person RPGs made by from and very hard, are the core of the aesthetic. without the series, demons wouldnt have come out.