Will Xenoblade 2 even have a chance becoming the new best

>>376124402
Zelda was pretty shit, so probably.
Doubt it will touch the Witcher 3 though.

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>>376124402
How can it beat this?

>>376124540
>Witcher 3
>good open world
Nah senpai, it doesn't even use its world that much. It could be xenoblade style linear large areas

>>376124540
>Zelda was shit
>But Witcher wasn't

They were both pretty shit, but at least Zelda had some degree of originality to it. Witcher was your same done shit. And it had fucking Batman combat to boot

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>>376124540
Witcher 3 is mostly procedurally generated with floating grass meshes and trees on rocks. And you can't inveract with anything. You can't even burn fucking hay with Igni which is a key ability in the franchise. Let's not even talk about the 100% empty sea in Skellige.

Stop trying to troll me, please.

>>376124653
Batman combat is better than Witcher's.

RPGs are a bad genre for open world games honestly. I dont think it will be good because of the open world but in spite of them, just like the other Xeno games.

Zelda BOTW was good as an open world game because the combat, physics, items, etc all lended themselves well to essentially being in a massive playground

>>376124653
>both popular, good games are shit
Oh look a contrarian!

>>376124540
Witcher 3 had a poor open world though

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>>376124653
>Zelda
>shit
Wow, what a sophisticated, special snowflake we have here.

>>376124705
It honestly is, you get the bat-tools. From what I saw of W3 you get light and heavy attacks and your underwhelming "magic"

>>376124774
Holy shit, someone doesn't like a thing that I like!

>Batman combat is bad
My favourite meme

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>>376124561
Will any open world ever come close to this again?

>this level of interactivity
>100% handcrafted
>all those different locations
>that Zora's Domain

>>376124842
It's not 100+ hours levels of good either faggot.

It's a great system for a more brief action game that isn't going to be sending you on many fetch quests, it was good at making you feel like the motherfucking batman. It doesn't lend itself to the Witcher in any way

>>376124839
I don't like FIFA but I still know it isn't shit and probably does whatever it wants to do very well.

There is a difference. He (you) is just a wannabe smart, frustrated retard.

>>376124774
Open world games are shit. You're going to have to accept that.

>>376125018
>he fell for the open worlds are shit meme

RPGs will never be the best open world games, ever. A game needs satisfying gameplay that can last for well over 80 hours, not watch the numbers go up and put the controller down

Xenoblade is nothing like Zelda.

It's a better Final Fantasy 12

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>>376125141
But sprinting through the world with the high jumps, scaling huge mountains, sneaking and avoiding enemies, flying around with the mecha etc. was fun gameplay in Xenoblade X? Even the combat was good for RPG standards. And we've already seen you can mount huge animals in Xenoblade 2.

>>376125141
This. Th RPG doesn't lend itself to the open world and the open world doesn't lend itself to the RPG.

Open worlds need fun fuckaround potential like GTA, Just Cause, Crackdown, and Zelda.

RPGs need hand crafted dungeons and encounters, with secret filled overworlds, etc.

>>376125170
We're talking about the upcoming Xenoblade 2 which will have more interactivity than the original. It's also about the open world, not the rest.

>>376125350
They literally just have to give us this with more modern graphics and improved Xenoblade X gameplay and they have won the open world war again.

>>376125284
>huge animals
I thought that animal was a little more than horse sized

>>376124653
Nope, Witcher 3 had a lot more unique content supplemented by great writing and evolving combat.

>>376124638
Sure it does.

>>376124683
Most of it isn't though. Zelda doesnt have shit like that because Zelda has so much empty space in between with literally nothing in it.

Physics doesnt mean interaction. Finding a random boulder in the middle of no where hardly provides a functional purpose; a good game has good combat, actual content, and a good flow of player reward, challenge, risk, and writing.

Zelda has nothing but the early access tech demo model, with no content in between and almost nothing that makes Zelda appealing as a series.

>>376125369
Gotta agree with this.

I'm sick of dungeons being corridors with the occasional chest, that's only acceptable in games like Wizardry.

>tfw no game will ever surpass Wild Arms 3's dungeons

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>>376125509
>lot more unqiue content
oh boy another follow the footprints quest!
Does Witcher even have an eventide equivalent?
>lots of empty space
Lmao

>>376124653
Bullshit. If W3 combat was anything like Bamham at all I would've actually played it longer than 2 hours.

>>376125509
>evolving combat
So evolved you can't even control your character properly

>>376124921
>100% hand crafted
Chuckled

>>376125509
>Witcher 3
>good combat
>good risk/reward
>great writing
>unique content
Are witcherfags all this deluded?

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>>376125509
What content does the Witcher 3 open world have? Bandit hideouts, "hidden" chests, caves that are just a linear tunnel with generic monsters you can find everywhere else.

The world is generic. They just put random shit trees everywhere and random bumps, hence you have floating grass and trees everywhere. In Zelda BotW every millimeter was designed the way someone had it in his mind. Even if you don't always find a cool sword or something, it's still worth it just to look at the unique assets.

AND THERE ARE GLITCHES AFTER 40 FUCKING PATCHES. Zelda doesn't have ONE annoying glitch. Not one.

>>376125509
Except finding a boulder that you can't do anything to serves even less of a purpose.

>>376125858
It is, though. Same as Xenoblade (X) and GTA. That's why it's sad like 30 % of what was carefully designed by amazingly talented people was filled with nothing but shitty Koroks.

>>376125509
>Physics doesnt mean interaction.
Nice bait anon.

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>>376125924
S-STOP SAYING IT'S GENERIC

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>>376125541
I love Witcher 3 but let's not compare its open world with Xenoblade or Zelda. This is ridiculous.

BotW needed more interiors.

No Gerudo Valley remix is a crime.

>>376125509
>physics doesn't mean interaction
When you can't even burn hay with fire it means the world has absolute SHIT interaction

At least for wooden houses you can make the chemically treated wood excuse, but hay? Who would chemically treat hay?

>>376125739
There are a few occasions where you are brought to basic stuff.

That being said, evertide was just as shit as the rest of the game. It took me about 10 minutes to even do, as if it was at any point a challenge. The only "challenge" was getting balls in holes, which is a "puzzle" they use way too often.

Literally the entire game is just you combating the physics engine, because everything else is lackluster.

>>376125817
Maybe you should try playing it. It plays perfectly fine on PC. Maybe you're just bad at videogames.

>>376125905
Zelda has none of this, unless you can prove otherwise. Zelda combat was the worse by far due to enemies often sliding away from you. This is on top of the AI being entirely braindead and standstill, and parrying being extremely abusive along with flurry. The games combat was worse than most action RPGs.

>>376125924
I'm sorry you never played it.

>Zelda doesn't have ONE annoying glitch. Not one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DKH_4XvVIg

>>376125991
Not really, a boulder is still a boulder in both cases, having a potential (rarely) functional use just adds to the shitty empty sandbox mentality.

>>376126072
It doesnt. It plays to the game mechanics to a degree,because all the rest of the gameplay is extremely shit. The puzzles, dungeons, the world traversal, the LITERALLY 2 ITEMS TO COLLECT FOR 90% of the game.

Its a "make your own fun game" as an excuse for lacking in every single way. I would take a content filled world like the Witcher over an empty, barren landscapes that offer nothing but spirit orbs.

When the game doesnt change largely from the tutorial area, you know something is wrong.

>>376124683
What always confused me is that you can actually interact and destroy some walls with Aard. But there never actually was anything behind those rocks. Like never.

>>376126234
Again, do you start every encounter in Zelda lighting fires? A commodity that's rarely used hardly inspires it to be anything more than a gimmick. If the beef content, that is, the shrines and the poor combat, are the main attractions, then it fails as a game.

The exploration was the only thing done right, but with no reward, it feels fruitless. Even Xenoblade and Xenoblade X both did it better, while having proper itemization and incentive.

>>376124804
>posting the actual best open world game

it takes going to an actual other world to feel like a true fucking open world.

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>>376124402
XCX is already better

>>376126196
Witcher 3 is a better game. Period.

>>376126330
>enemies sliding away from you
Maybe you should get good at games? :^)

Also are you saying the Witcher doesn't have shit AI? That there isn't an extremely overpowered spell to cheese?

Also good dodge. Is there anywhere in Witcher 3 with unique content like Eventide? Do you even know what makes Eventide unqiue?

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>>376126330
They already fixed most of those glitches after a week and most of those are either a) very hard to stumble over or b) not annoying. Some are even helpful and cool, like constant fast running.

Witcher 3 still has glitches everywhere after 40 patches being out for years. It's a huge piece of shit. This just happened to me when I checked out the game again for two minutes.

>>376126475
Yes actually. Lighting fires is great for giving me lift to snipe enemies in the air with slow mo

Can't do that in the Witcher
>LESS INTERACTIVITY IS GOOD GUISE!!!

>>376126545
The only thing it does well is character interaction and music. Nothing else. It's hardly even a game. It basically has no level design or gameplay.

>>376126330
>I would take a content filled world like the Witcher
Effort is to be rewarded so here's your (You) anon.

>>376126330
>works perfectly fine on PC
Not with the fucking slippery as fuck controls

I played the first Xenoblade and was bored to tears, it's like a single player MMO

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>>376126650
Look at this disgusting shit.

>sword just stuck in air

And this is how it's intended to work.

This whole game is such a messy clusterfuck.

>>376126330
>content filled world like the Witcher
Good bait, especially when you dismiss BOTW for having same rewards

>>376126650
I heard Zelda's hardmode will have an unfixable bug where ground based enemies will just float in the sky randomly.

>>376126786
We've gotten to the point where we can tell criticism like this means you havnt played xenoblade so don't bother

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>>376126786
>le OFFLINE MMORPG XD... i showed them ^^

>>376126853
More like they have personal flying platforms now

>>376126874
But I did play it.

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>>376124921
>tropical forest
>regular forest
>fields
>lava area
>snowy area
>some ruins
>coasts

yep it's checks out this is a Zelda game you can tell by how bland and generic it's world is. truly the king of world buildin-

>>376126517
>crazy alien forests
>giant fucking plants
>wtf kind of rock formation is that
>jesus fuck that is a huge.. wtf is that giant alien fucking contraption holy fuck shit
>this is all so familiar yet strange
>I'm having fun exploring and trying understand this crazy world and what is going on here

well you tried Zelda, better luck next gen.

>>376126330
>literally two items
Are witcherfags just blind, or do they have Alzheimer's?

>>376126575
>Getting good at Zelda
I mean, I dont even think that's possible. The game has 3 animations total for each weapon and the AI just takes the blows 90% of the time.

Nope, the Witcher 3 also has unique monsters and fights throughout. You aren't fighting reskins the entire time.

Yes, it has way more unique, though im not sure if many are EXACTLY evertide.

Evertide was the same garbage as the rest of the world; pointless. It offered a shrine at the end. You put balls in the hole after grabbing stick weapons.

Wow, so unique and amazing.

>>376126650
Oh did they? Prove it. There are also more potential glitches and bugs. The game also still performs like shit.

>Witcher 3 still has glitches everywhere after 40 patches being out for years. It's a huge piece of shit. This just happened to me when I checked out the game again for two minutes.

Show me your steam profile and ill message you to confirm its you.


>>376126665
>Slow mo sniping
lmao, are you serious? You hardly even need height on most enemies since their hitboxes are huge.

Protip: You can do slowmo crossbow in Witcher 3, but its only purpose is clipping flying enemies. Its not broken like in Zelda to make an easy game easier.

>>376126726
Wrong, you have not played the game.
It has dungeons, gardens, mountains, fortresses, fairy tales, vampire lairs, parellel universes, etc.

>>376126757
Okay.

>>376126758
It has momentum, maybe you should get good.

>>376126830
>2 things with piss poor writing
>good content

No. BoTW has nothing from start to finish. You leave with what you came in with; and empty feeling of nothing ultimately being accomplished and having nothing to show for it other than a master sword that breaks more often than common swords.

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>>376127029
Hurr durr, totally not just spirit orbs and korok seeds.

Why include armors? Only one has a gimmick purpose, the Zora armor, everything else is just frugal and useless.

>>376126990
>regular forest
>when Korok Forest exist

Also there are tons of random natural structures in BOTW as well. There was a part with crazy ass rock formations in a snowy area, a sword embedded randomly in the field, the skeleton sunk deep into the earth and more

>>376125924
Have to agree W3 open world is generic as fuck. However biggest letdown for me was combat system, it literally fucking sucks.

>>376127058
>The game also still performs like shit.
No, it doesn't. It's constant 30 FPS except the Deku Forest which you never visit again. And maybe Kakariko sometimes, depending on weather.

Zelda BotW basically has no glitches, same as Xenoblade X. Only some mundane shit that's hard to find and need tutorials. Meanwhile every person in this world has experienced glitches in other open world games such as Witcher or Elder Scrolls. Witcher 3 even had a bug that caused your game to just freeze the first week when it came out when going into the menu.

>>376124921
Wtf is that horse I see little niggas that look like that running around in the woods

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>>376127058
Dude, Witcher 3 is an unpolished mess compared to any NIntendo game. I like it but stop. Just stop.

>>376127058
>unqiue fights throughout
Are you a shill?
>way more unqiue
List them
>it has momentum, maybe you should git Gud
What even is there to git gud at? Alchemy breaks the game, even on deathmarch everything plays out the same.

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I think Xenoblade, Witcher 3, and Zelda aren't even in direct competition because they all place focus on different things and prioritise different things.

It would be boring if every open world game prioritised the same things.

I do prefer Xenoblade 1 and Witcher 3 over Zelda because of the focus on storytelling, whereas Zelda prioritises its open world at the expensive of everything but gameplay.

I didn't like Xenoblade X as much as the first game, but its gameplay, exploration and open world design I really enjoyed.

Not really interested in BotW. It did look overly big with very long stretches of barren areas. I watched my friend play it.

I really prefer open world games that focus on a compelling narrative and character interactions. I just love being able to feel the story underneath my feet in an open world.

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>>376127150
>hurr durr they don't count although there are even less things to find in the Witcher
>only one
Wow you really are shit at exploring, or you haven't played the game at all

>>376127198
>Also there are tons of random natural structures

ya some mundane natural structures, ho hum... if I wanted to be bored I'd read National Geographic or play BotW.

>here was a part with crazy ass rock formations in a snowy area

oh like what? a ledge? oh maybe some rocks that were stacked together! so crazy, much ass.

>a sword embedded randomly in the field

wow a sword embedded in something in a Zelda game?! how shocking haven't seen that before.

>the skeleton sunk deep into the earth and more

you mean the skeletons that pop out of every inch of earth when it's night time? spooky bro! tell me more about the Golden Book Adventures of Hyrule the Warrior Elf.

>>376124402

I don't think it will be an open world, probably will be the same than the original Xenoblade, an pseudo open world.

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>>376127058
>lmao it doesn't count because I said so lmao
>STILL insisting there are only two things
>that goalpost moving

>>376127619
Let's hope so. Multi-region done well is always better than just a huge blob. See even a low budget piece of shit like Kingdoms of Amalur in comparison with Skyrim which looks the same everywhere.

>>376127556
you are so off the mark with everything its quite amazing, you haven't found them yet?

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>>376127058
>Wrong, you have not played the game.
>It has dungeons, gardens, mountains, fortresses, fairy tales, vampire lairs, parellel universes, etc.

"It has gardens." Really? This is your argument. And what dungeons are you talking about? It has no dungeons. It has linear caves without any interactivity. Zelda has dungeons. Only Zelda. That's why it's even OK when Zelda is a bit empty , it makes up for it with dungeons and puzzles.

The four titans are absolutely fucking amazing. And even the shrines are better than linear Skyrim or Witcher """"dungeons""""".

>>376127058
>evertide
It's Eventide, master baiter.

>>376127767

Well I usually put BotW when I'm done playing XCX for the day and I need something to make me sleepy so ya I might have missed some things.

>>376127058
>it has gardens
>and enemy hideouts
>and slightly whimsical looking areas
WOWWWWWW HOWWW AMAZING

>>376124402
Probably not since it's basically a single player MMO. I don't even want to grind when there's a multiplayer aspect to a game, let alone do it by myself.

BotW's open world is better than Xenoblade's but not for its visuals. BotW has proper exploration, high incentive to free roam, a story that provides more incentive on top of this, and isn't a grindy piece of shit.

>>376128051
Alright then, you should at least explore more before claiming there's no unique structures anywhere. In fact that rock structure in particular reminded me of XCX

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>>376126330
Calling Eventide Island or the four islands and the other unique shrines with unique puzzles bad and praising Witcher 3 level design and "dungeons" at the same time makes you look mentally disabled or a very, very nationalistic Pole.

Jesus Christ.

And you can't even squat in Witcher.

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>>376128203
>four islands
*beasts

>>376128135
You sure know a lot about Xenoblade 2 already.

>>376127058
What even is there to find in the Witcher 3. It has a shit reward system for exploring. What rewards are there? Another enemy camp? Hell, I'll take shrines

>>376128203
>And you can't even squat in Witcher.
Well you can't fuck a 10/10 Slav on top of a unicorn, beat that Zeldafag

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>>376128373
Young girls are actually cute in Zelda.

Done.

>>376128373
Well you can't cross dress in the Witcher and ride a shark so ha beat that Witcherfag

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>>376128443
Zelda is redpilled as fuck.

Shut up, fag.

Meanwhile Witcher 3 has a pro feminism speech in the new DLC.

>>376128291
>You sure know a lot about Xenoblade 2 already.
I have a decent idea considering there's multiple games already.

>>376128504
Jesus who made this? /pol/?

>>376128504
Well Zelda commands a MAN around, that's feminist as fuck

>>376128203
>unique puzzles
>physics puzzles all based off the same handful of tablet tools
>some giant glorified hedge mazes
>unique

Do Zelda fans and devs even try anymore?

>>376128727
Fuck those white people over there.

>>376128764
>Well Zelda commands a MAN around,
Does she really though? Every wife complains.

>>376128795
Still better than the Witcher which doesn't even have tools

Also what is wrong with physics puzzles?

>>376129105

Nothing since it's 2004 and they're all the rage right now. oh wait it's 2017 and most developers have since moved on from such basic things.

>>376124402
They'd need to make a world that's more fun to explore than XCX and Zelda and have quests that aren't just "fetch me this" or "go kill that", even if there's some nice dialogue in it.
A hard task but not impossible.

I feel like BOTW is Fidgeting: the game, you have an almost limited number of small bits and pieces that you have to keep pulling and turning so that numbers go up and down on some arbitrary scale.

>>376129649
Welcome to Japanese games in general. Enjoy your stay.

It won't be open world, so no there's actually zero chance.

>>376129378
By moved on I assume you mean, couldn't do anything meaningful with it and went back to just making things look slightly better.

No. Because the witcher 3.
This is yet to be surpassed.

Btw i own a switch and botw too. Yes im having hours of fun. No the world is not better than the witcher 3

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>>376130070
But, as we have already clarified in this thread, Witcher 3 is 100% generic and empty and still infested with glitches to this day.

>>376130310
>can't even climb this mountain in the background
>invisible wall blocking you
>loading time to get to Skellige or Kaer Morhen
Why do people call this open world?

>>376126517
Fuck.

Xenoblade X's world fucking kills Zelda's.
It really shows. Jesus. So much variety! Puts BotW to shame.

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>>376124402
zelda botw had a nice open world, but they blew it by lacking content.
more dungeons, more enemy types and more towns would have been great.
it was legit painful to see the same stables pasted everywhere when what should have been more towns.

Witcher 3 is total garbage. I always dismissed the idea of paid shills on /v/ until Witcher 3 came out.

>>376129378
>oh wait it's 2017
And the best physics games since are Portal 2, Half Life 2, and Super Mario Galaxy 2.

Clearly most devs haven't moved on if they can't do basic things like this.

>>376130491
Xenoblade has the freedom to do whatever it wants, though. Zelda was always based on a more "realistic" medieval setting.

>>376127198
>B-but Zelda has it too!

No. Xenoblade shits on Zelda.

>>376130521
The world was too big for its own good. They didn't have anything to fill it and probably raised the number of Koroks from initially 100 up to 500 and then 900. The game should have come out two years ago and since then they should have started working on the new Switch exclusive Zelda.

Of course form a marketing point of view they did the best thing.

>>376130683
Now if Xenoblade just had interactivity, actual puzzle solving and combat.

>>376130310
The problem is the thread is treating a subjective question to which is the better open world as an objective one. For me and many others the witcher 3 does offer the better open world

Have you played both games?

Its the attitude of nintenbabies to go after everything and claim other people cant be having fun on things they dont like. Its happenned countless times on v since botw came out and i expect to see it countless more.

Dont get me wrong. I love both games. But i do prefer tw3 more.

>>376130886
>Have you played both games?
Yeah, that's why I know that Skellige is 99% empty, for example. Pointless islands and sea emptier than Wind Waker with not ONE single unique enemy. No idea how they even managed to do this.

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>>376131023
Damn witcherfag btfo

>>376130804
Yeah bro if only Xenoblade had combat!


Fucking dumb ass.

>>376131023
Hmm. Glad your at least talking from a perspective of somebody who has played both games. We shall have to agree to disagree and i respect your opinion enough to value it despite abjrctly disagreeing.

>>376131256
Not that anon but it's true to a casual, XBX might as well have had no combat because they were too retarded to learn the system.

>>376131324
>abjrctly
what?

>>376130886
I have played both games and they're both excellent. I'll give some pros and cons:
TW3 has dialogues and quests that are very intriguing from a story point of view. Your choice have big impact on the conclusion, and often you investigate something that seems pretty insignificant until everything blows up to massive proportions. It makes the world interesting to explore. A con here is that the actual gameplay mechanic of the quests is usually "Follow the red line then fight a monster". BotW's quests are much lighter in the sotyr aspect, but the actual mechanics are more interesting. Often your sent to investigate a general area, or trying to solve a puzzle based on a few vague hints.

Neither game has the best combat, but I found BotWs more enjoyable overall since youre at least very mobile while in TW3 youre a static tank that can't even jump while fighting. The "pop Quen and trade a hit then reset" strategy was also way to effective.

Overall I'd say BotW wins with how much freedom it offers in terms of movement. Climbing and paragliding means the world itself becasue that much more interesting to traverse, while trying to scale mountains in TW3 often felt like you were glitching your way upwards. Both games are excellent though, so it's subjective which one is best. Witcher 3 is more story and choice tense, while BotW has better core gameplay.

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Okay, but imagine if Monolith was pulled on board for the next open world Zelda game. Now that'd make me buy a Switch.

>>376127290
The lord of the mountain. It's the best horse in the game and has infinite sprint.

You can't keep it.

>>376132314
That already happened?

>>376132314
is this bait? monolith soft helped with BotW

>>376125614
I dont watch her videos because she is blue

Will Xenoblade Chronicles 2 even have a likeable cast like in the original?

I loved all the party members in that game, even Riki, and I don't usually like le kawaii mascot characters in jrpgs.

>>376132945
XCX characters were good. im sure itll be fine.

then again this game looks a lot more kiddie than XBC and XCX

>>376133201
>XCX characters were good

i can't say that for sure,especially when the relationship between lin and tatsu consists of "i'm going to eat you XD" tier jokes. and let's not forget the dub in the game doesn't have the charm of the original.

>>376133718
Gwyn/Irina/Murderess had potential as a fucked up triangle thing, shame they wasted it by not having anything between Gwyn and Murderess

>>376133718
desu i forgot the eating tatsu jokes. but thats a very small % of the whole thing. besides maybe if tatsu learned how to give shit back they wouldnt fuck with him all the time. imagine that in real life, theyd never let up on him.

but yeah i hated tatsu and its what made my wife stop wanting to watch me play