>MY SOLE INTEREST IS UNCOVERING THE TRUTH What did he

>>376118914
He's a terrible liar.

>>376118914
>Pinocchio

>>376118914
>robin hood
>not sherlock holmes

???

Artist probably drew that back before Atlus ruined his character.

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>>376118914

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Goro Akechi is the pancake princess

What an utterly shit character

It figures the party member you lose is also one of the most useful.

It means he was the perpetrator

Akechi literally did nothing wrong

His only mistake was being the bad guy in a Japanese RPG

>>376122161
I've finished the game and I still don't understand what he meant by this

>>376122807
Are you for real? They explained it in-depth

>>376122924
Where?

I just got shot in the head after Makoto sold me out.

>>376122161
>If Akechi didn't make this circumstantial blunder they never would have figured out he was the traitor and glasses-kun would have his brains blown out for real

>>376122807

He was able to understand Morgana, therefore exposing the fact that he has been to the metaverse before.

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>>376123118
>if Boss didn't make this circumstance all blunder they never would have figured out he was the shepherd and rave-kun would have died in his sleep
>if Adachi didn't make this circumstantial blunder they never would have figured out he was the killer and siscon-kun would have left the town covered in fog

what a bunch of hacks

>>376123426
to be fair, adachi just outright fucked up by randomly sending a warning letter

>>376123537
no, he fucked up by saying "well that settles it" to the detective prince

>>376120901
Ah yes, the famous rebel Sherlock Holms.

>>376123118
How is hearing someone say something without seeing them and then responding like a normal person a "circumstantial blunder"?

>>376123637
we didn't even see him "rebel". considering his role in the story and how Arsene is Joker's Persona, it would've been better if he had Sherlock to further contrast him with the gang and that he's a detective first and foremost even though he's not.

>>376123750
because he already spied on them before and heard morgana talk on the metaverse. It's his fault for not remembering the cat's voice

>>376123637
It's not exclusively about rebels, Necronomicon isn't a rebel.

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They should have put in an actual detective

The game would have much better without the traitor part at the start and all of those SIU director calls or thing that the MC shouldn't know anything about

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>>376123968
>the game shows the traitor killing off Shadow Okumura

>>376122613
He mindcrashed otherwise innocent people at the behest of a morally corrupt politician when doing that served absolutely no purpose to his revenge.

Then when he met a group that had interests in line with his he blackmailed and betrayed them when allying with them would've suited his goal far better.

That and he was just a dumb shit and possibly every turn.

>>376123893
>he already spied on them before and heard morgana talk on the metaverse
I don't doubt that he probably spied on them but there isn't any implication anywhere that he heard any coversations

>>376124294
nigga the cat never shuts up

>>376124294
WHAT ABOUT DELICIOUS PANCAKES?

>>376124294
nigga he had to, that's the only way you can hear morgana talk in the real world. Sae went to the metaverse too but never saw and heard morgana talk which is why she cant understand him

>>376123118
Yeah, akechi has a persona, can enter palaces, was in okumuras palace and admitted that he saw okumura die after the phantom thieves left.

They never wouldve figured out that hes the killer.

>>376124294

Madarames palace is the first mention of the black masked dude, which is before the pancake incident so the timeline checks out. It would have been neat if you could spot him somewhere but it is what it is.

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He is such a fag.

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>>376124938
Akechi is lewd

>>376123909
Futaba doesn't actually fight, so that's a poor example.

Anyway, Robin Hood is a thief that believes in his own justice, so it sort of makes sense for Akechi for as long as he's playable.

>>376123118
What I don't get is why Akechi didn't just go back in time and take out the person who invented Pancakes? Then this would never have happened.

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>>376123098
You're joking right

You lost the game anon.

So who created the cognitive potter kun? Akechi? if so how? I kinda was rushing through the exposition because things

>>376126446
Sae since they went into her palace

>>376124773
This, literally no one trusted Akechi. The pancake was just the proof.

Shido's plan was so fucking bad, when you have a mystical, untraceable assassination weapon there is precisely zero reason to go the whole "subvert the public and scapegoat the phantom thieves route"

How exactly does Shido lose the election without the interference of the Phantom Thieves? All his plan did was get their attention, and the plan falls apart further when it's revealed Medjed would've been taken down anyways. They were going to reveal themselves to the PT before Okumura.

Just fucking kill them

>>376122389
I was pissed when they took him away and it's like 'Haru is my final party member..?' Seriously disappointing

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>know akechi isnt gonna be there for long since obviously he's the traitor
>tfw pic related happens and best character is gone for good
every fucking time

>>376126297
Wait, what? You can actually get a bad end there? I figured the only bad end was not doing the twin wardens S.Link. Wow that nigga just missed like thirty hours of the game haha

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>>376127084
he was a good character? Then again this is the board that defends this prick as a "good character"

I am glad that traitor is gone and that you can kill this traitor off

>>376127184
I should have specified as in good character for combat everything else about him is trash

>>376126069
So? She joins the theme eventually with Prometheus, so it's not about what kind of ability you have, it's about your disposition. (Initially, Futaba makes it clear that she has different goals from the PTs.)

So Akechi's persona not being a rebel would actually make sense. But both of his personas follow the same theme as the PTs.

Of course, we could attribute this to Igor.

>>376126069
The whole robin hood persona was fake too
The only persona Pancake-kun uses is Loki

You know, the God of deceit whose main power was shape changing and illusions

>>376127295
>I should have specified as in good character for combat

I agree with you there. Light Skills, Dark skills, and almighty skills.

>>376127184
Maybe I'm in the minority here but Akechi's character kinda got to me, not with his betrayal and stupid ass plan but when he would start hanging around LeBlanc he genuinely seemed lonely and as much as I knew he was plotting against me I had some sympathy, I felt for him and was disappointed you couldn't save him. I was more annoyed I'm not allowed to fuse Loki though

I love all of the little details that hint at him not belonging in the team. His weird victory pose, the way his close-up resembles P4's more than P5, the lack of a library book corresponding to his joining the party.

Goro is a wildcard

>>376127449
hes a fucking shitty one if he is since he uses only 1 persona. or maybe 2 but that can just be loki shapeshifting/loki being his ultimate and robin hood his base

>>376123098
HAHAHAAHHAHA

>>376127448
His animations are all very similar to joker, and he's got no idle animation, that dude was always on edge

his all out attack portrait looked like Sae with a haircut to me or just a girl in general.

>>376127324
>The only persona Pancake-kun uses is Loki

That's just a theory that makes a lot of sense, but is not confirmed in the game. They just say it's another persona and Akechi may have the same powers as Joker.

>>376127184
>that aoa
>that costume
>those skills
>the casino shit in general
I fell in love with the mask, that's it.
He was a nice party member, shame he's an unredeemable sack of shit outside of his time period.

>>376127528

They specifically explain that loki is the wildcard that Yaldabaoth pited against Akira in his game against Igor

do you fuckers just fast forward through everything that's not dates with your waifu

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>>376127448
he looks like a hero or a protagonist in his all out attack art

>>376127903
No i remember that, I just interpret it as he had the same power as in the app that lets you go to the metaverse since igor was the one handing them out. If he is a wildcard then he really fucking sucks since he never used his power. Also i thought that he had the potential to be one since they mention that if he was like potter kun he might have eventually gotten powers like him

>>376127748
They specifically say that Goro has the wild card

>>376127448
>all his costumes are mirroring Joker or are villainous (Jun, Boss, Munkata, Hazama, his dance costume having same stars design like joker)
>automatic progression of SL
>he sits or stands alone from the cast in safe rooms
>>376127918
His cut in is akin to P3/4 until his boss fight

>>376127903
I don't know if they ever specifically said he was a wildcard, I finished the game last night and I think they refer to Akechi and Joker as 'tricksters' once Yaldabaog starts laying the plot down

>>376127748
Kinda doubt it, seeing as his Slink is Justice Arcana. He might have been the same as Joker if his Slink was Fool

Loki from previous games may gave been the fool arcana, but in this game he might have been Justice arcana given how Loki viewed his own actions as justice

>>376128027

Its pretty self evident that a lot of content for Akechi that they had at the conceptual stage got axed because he joined too late and they had to fit everything about him during shido's dungeon

you can see them try to establish him as P4's akechi, a direct foil to Akira, but all the elements around that are jammed at the end.

Everything was there but it was poorly paced, real shame because he exemplified everything that the phantom thieves opposed better than Shido and Yaldabaoth

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What was the point of the entire "pitting Akira against Goro" wager thing? I mean Yaldabaoth did it to determine whether humanity was worth saving right? If Goro wins shit is fucked, burn it all and start over. If Akira wins, everything's fine, leave it alone. But he was always planning to just subjugate everyone anyway and rigged the outcome so it would come to that. So why fucking bother if we was going to do the same thing either way? It's not like he had anything to prove, he already had Igor out of the way. Just merge Mementos with the real world immediately. All he achieved with the dumb bet against himself was creating people who could fuck up his plans.

>>376128170

>you can see them try to establish him as P4's akechi

*establish him as P5's Adachi

How did I fuck that up so hard wow

>>376128170
the real shame was that they dropped the ball on everything you mentioned yet they wanted you to treat him as though the writing staff had nailed it all. This game needed a dungeon or two more for him and haru

>>376127903
who the hell is Akira
Is that P5MC? "official name"

>>376127170
Anon... you don't even need to do the twin's Slink, you dont need to do ANY slink to get the true ending.

The only requirements for true end.

>Refuse to name anyone as your friend in the final interrogation
>Refuse the deal with fake igor

that's LITERALLY IT.

>>376123098
>Portal ends with you dying in a fire lmao

>>376128232

>Why fucking bother

But they really didn't, the game didnt even took place. Yaldabaoth enslaved igor, "killed" lavenza then enslaved her fragments, and enslaved Joker, guiding him into doing his bidding.

The only thing that remains of the game is Akira's involvement, which Yaldabaoth thought he could subvert for some tragic irony factor but that ended up not happening.

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>Tfw he's my favorite character in the game

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>>376128328
Akira Kurusu is the name he has in the manga

>>376128232
have you ever read any mythology? God are even more unhinged than humans.

>>376128397
So this guy sold out the team in the interrogation with Sae? I didn't even think the game would let you do that

>>376128328

its his name in the official manga, so I'm going with that

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>>376118914
He reminds be of those kids who were super into Jesus

>>376128261
P5 really would have benefited from one more dungeon, but I guess the game was too up its own ass about the seven deadly sins to consider having an eighth.

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>>376128560
I did it the first time around.

Just because I could.

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>>376128523

>>376128626
>the game was too up its own ass about the seven deadly sins to consider having an eighth.
Not even, considering they used vanity for the second dungeon which isn't even one of the seven deadly sins.

>>376128560
If you sell out your team and accept Sae's deal she has what she needs and leaves without you remembering to give her your phone. Since she doesn't have the phone Akechi doesn't get sent to the cognitive world and you just get shot in the face.

>>376123839
Robin Hood is a ruse, just like his prince costume.
His true Persona is Loki alongside his Black Knight costume. What you saw where illusions created by Loki.
The point was fitting in, not make a contrast.

>>376128127
They literally explain to you in game that he is a wild card with the same powers as joker. This is not an argument this is fucking in game text.

>>376128096
>automatic progression of SL
This didn't do it for me until he got every ability at rank 6 or whatever it was. Until then I though maybe they were smart for once and basically made the last s link only 5 long but every advancement would give you an ability.

>>376128616
You met brown haired japanese kids into jesus?

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>>376128616
Goro is voiced by Jesus in the Japanese version

>Ryuji was able to keep quiet about their suspicions of Akechi since the tv studio

That's the biggest thing that ruffled my feathers in the game.

For P6 I really want the game to acknowledge somewhere in the main story if you get into a relationship. I romanced Makoto and when everyone sees Akira for the first time after his fake death I wanted her to go right up to him and hug him or something. But I guess that would be too hard to do in case the player is banging all the girls.

This is a good thread. Personally I thought P5 was a little weak in the story and SLink department, though it did have some good characters, but at the end of the day all the QoL improvements and (most importantly) actual dungeons with actual design put it above P3 and P4 for me, and for everyone saying they wanted another palace would you have been more satisfied if Mementos wasn't stupidly easy and short? Tartarus had a lot of issues but damn was it imposing and intimidating, my first playthrough of P3 I don't know if I managed to reach any of those briefcases in time

>>376129030
Honestly if it'd been up to me at the very least I would have kept him out of the loop. Preferably I wouldn't have told anyone but Futaba and Makoto.

>>376129030

Ryuji and Ann didn't notice
Only morgana and joker did

>>376129030
this seriously how the fuck was that even possible

>>376129081
They would need to make a new scene for every girl alone, two girls, three girls, four girls, all fucking girls, etc.

>>376128724
Well, my mistake. I forgot that there are actually eight dungeons. An additional one still would have been good.

>>376128812
If you go into his persona, you can see bits of Loki poking out through Robin Hood, but they vanish if you check the 'summoned' version.

>>376128724
Yes it is. It's the sin of Pride

>>376129184
Yeah, but they told all of the others once they confirmed Akechi was going to sell them out.

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>>376118914
>Turns out to have the coolest(next to ruyji) persona
>Dies off screen to easy mobs and a clone of himself with no powers
>Somehow misses a point blank head shot to his cognitive self
>Says "You can't fight all these while I hold you back"
>When we just beat his has harder then drum and he should know from first hand experience we have healing spells.

His death was so forced it's ridiculous they obviously painted themselves into a corner with this character and did not know how to end his arc.
>

>>376129260

To be fair the game is already 100 hours long

The structure of it kinda dictated that the last characters would recieve less development sadly, and Akechi and Haru definitely suffered from that.

>>376129264
Shido's dungeon was pride

>>376128958
>Can't summon the Strike Freedom

Fucking Fatlus.

>>376128120
Game explains that both of them have the same power after you defeat him, except that Akechi was evil disguised as good, and Akira was good disguised as evil.

>>376128232
You should've payed more attention.

"Progress cannot be made without the clash of thesis and antithesis"

The game has to happen to connect mementos to the human world and eventually merge them

Yaldy was just trying to tip things in his favor. It should also be noted that the wild card for Joker was bestowed by Lavenza on behalf of Philemon, not by Yaldy.

>>376129369
I get that but Vanity is still a sin of Pride.

>>376129360
In Persona 5 Crimson he will stumble behind you into the Yadlaboath boss fight with bandaged wounds and merge Loki with Sataneal to make a giant gun

>>376129402
They did not say that last part you pulled it out of your ass.

>>376129298

So that's not since the tv studio, that's 3 weeks.

Ryuji is plenty capable of following instructions, he's just impulsive. Hell his entire social link is about how the presence of Joker calms him down and allows him to act in a more thoughtfull and composed manner.

>>376129264
No, Shido is pride, and vanity is not the same thing as pride. Pride is being generally convinced that you are a fucking amazing human being. Vanity is a fixation directed at one particular aspect of your self (Madarame's being his "art")

>>376123909
Futaba didn't get her persona in any shape way or form like the others either. She got it the same way the Scooby Gang did in 4.

and to a lesser extent how Mitsuru got hers

>>376129632

Vanity being a sin of pride does not mean vanity is the same as pride.

Pride is a large category that contains vanity as a sin. The sin of vanity is categorized as a sin of pride. This is not up for debate, look it up.

>>376128127
Futuba out right says she detects the same power as Joker. Yabba dabba do made Akechi a wild card but he fostered it as his own power instead of making bonds

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>>376129486
Oh please no that sounds fucking terrible. If he has to get involved then they should put Metatron just before the entrance to the last boss but have Pancake lord appear and take him on so you can face the boss, then after he takes your place in being a witness so it frees up that month so you can finish doing shit.

>>376129442
>I get that but Vanity is still a sin of Pride.

there was another game I played where a bunch of people were connected to one the deadly sins. Vanity and Pride were two different people

>>376129757
make me

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>>376129486
it'll be like this

This thread is making me want to start another Persona game, I wonder if playing through P3 is as painful as I remember it to be

>>376129850>>376129927
I'm ripping on Golden and Arena. You do know that Yu and Adachi can fuse their persona's into a giant sword right?
Also I imagine it more be like a floating revolver above the party of a comparable size to Satanael

I wonder if P6 (if there is one) will continue having superhero costumes in the otherworld. It seems like the kind of thing you can't do and then immediately get rid of. Like you gave us that shit and now we're just gonna go back to fighting in our school uniforms? Fuck off.

>>376130016
it'll be a flying pancake

>>376129927
It already happened in Ultimax.
Narukami and Adachi fused their Izanagi's into a sword to kill the fire Eva.

>>376130016
I don't care that sounds so fucking lame compared to giant demon mecha god and undermines just the sheer amount of cock Potter-kun has. Pancake lord should be the fall guy, nothing more.

>>376128560
I did that the first time because I wanted to leave the room and hoped that i could escape somewhere after, how could I know about the Death note plan from the player perspective?

>>376123909

I'm kinda sick of hearing this. Kidd and Carmen weren't rebels either. Pope Johann wasn't a rebel. Arsène Lupin sure as fuck wasn't a rebel either.

They carry themes of rebellion, because they are characters that were considered villainous by society yet still followed their own hearts.

Similarly, Necronomicon symbolizes the forbidden wisdom that those that look beyond the edges of what is acceptable to "know" get when peering in the darkest corners of the earth. It's rebellious to read the necronomicon, it's rebellious to seek that knowledge and act upon it. The theme is intact, you're just being way too simple about it.

For all the times I hear people scoff at persona's symbolism and how simple it is, it really seems like most people have a very poor grasp on it. The symbolism is usually extremely good and consistent across all three games, it's just not self evident to people that don't look beyond simple labels.

>>376130090
But Protag isn't a sweet tooth like Akechi, and both of them use guns.

>>376130108
You don't introduce a second wild card and let him stay just the fall guy, the search for Akechi will be a spin off plot

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>>376129486
I would prefer a game mode where Akechi is the main character and is only allies are shadows. You actually accomplish your goal and kill Shido saving japan once and for all. Then Yaba daba ding dong praises you for your efforts and makes you king of the new cognitive world and becomes another one of your personas.

The ending credits will have the same happy go lucky music playing with pic of the phantoms thieves going to the beach, disneyland etc.. but they are replaced by Akechi and his shadow friends (Cerbrus in Ann's swimsuit etc..)

I would straight up pay 80$ for such a game. Instead of S links in his spare time Akechi just goes to various cafes alone and talks to the shadows in his head all day.

>>376128560
I was spoiled on everything but I still fucked up and sold them.
To that point you where encouraged to tell her the truth, so I went with it. She then says she expected you to have bigger balls and I knew I fucked up.

>>376130227
So SMT with Akechi? Sounds cool. It'll be nice to BTFO the PT.

>>376130227
His goal is to give Shido everything he wants, and then inform Shido that he was his unwanted bastard and tear everything out of Shido's hands. To cut him down at the greatest height. That said a game where you just play as Akechi switching between persona's and having no party members would be fun.

>>376130227
Cool. More like Raidou Kuzunoha gameplay right? I wouldn't mind playing that.

>>376130417
Wouldn't that include ultimately killing him?

>>376130221
But the point is that he's the failed Potter, all of the power but squandered the potential by looking into himself, not out to others rendering his power weak, the most impact he would have is by facing Shido and saving Potter from Juvie, instead of fighting a god and ruining the whole "a demon is needed to defeat a naughty god"

Akira gets Makoto
Ryuji gets Ann
Yusuke gets Futaba
Haru and Morgana die alone
You can't dispute this

>>376130508
Not necessarly, maybe leaving him to kill himself after he's lost everything he ever worked for from the hands of something he threw aside to die on its own has some poetic irony to it.

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>>376123637

This. Makes more sense to use Robin Hood.

It's still the English contrast to the French Arsene.

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>>376130417
Why was Pancake-kun so autistic about this? Jokah and the others, even Haru, basically gave him the chance to do exactly what he wanted but with less murder.
>"Stop being a dick Akechi-kun. Come with us and you can get your revenge, have friends, and basically get everything you ever wanted."
>Akechi: *autistic screeching*

>>376130507
Whoa you just reminded me how werid Raidou must have seen to other people.
>Talking to demons
>Other people just see you talking to air
>Directly controlling the demons he summoned
>Literally spaces out in the middle of the road
>Enters a bathhouse naked but for some reason still wearing his hat
>Wearing the equivalent of a japanese fedora suit combo while in high school

Dude was a genuine creep not even sure what the hat part was about.

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>>376127184

>sequel auto declares Zelos alive to contradict your choice

So much for your reasoning i guess.

>>376130701
He wont be getting the revenge he wants. Having Shido just admit his crimes isn't enough for all the suffering he went through. He want's to prove he's worth something and that requires beating the PT. He comes around if you use the right words and wants to go with you only be to killed the cognition of himself that Shido has.
or rather getting wounded bad enough and faking his own death before sneaking away to patch his own wounds so he can be in the spin offs

>>376130612
Nah it seems more like Akechi's style to tell him and then disappear for days. Meanwhile fucking shit up in shidos palace and watching his mental decay and fear pile up. Before finally ending the bastard. I really don't see him letting object of his hate live despite killing so many others.

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>>376118914
>>376130227
Can someone post more of these in wallpaper size?

>>376130567

He's neither failed nor is his potential squandered, he's much stronger than anyone in the group and the gang in fact admits they wouldn't have been able to stand up to him if hey weren't 8v1.

Akechi is just like Adachi someone that got consumed by their own shadow but instead of collapsing mentally became the monsters that resided within them.

There's nothing weak about them, they're tremendously powerfull. It's just that the antisocial nature of their character makes them a natural ennemy to all mankind, and it's a fight no monster won yet.

>>376118914
don't know, never used him.

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>>376128958

Honestly, this might just kill it for me.

I fucking hate Gundam SEED

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>>376130929
No

>>376130161
Even better that they keep the themes when they evolve. P3 still has the best evos since they directly reflect (and are tied to) the story of the characters themselves, and I'm not sure if P4 really had a theme or just gave them alt forms of their gods/mythological figures.
Everyone in P5 becomes a stronger representation of the kind of rebelliousness they had, like Necronomicon (Forbidden knowledge) turning into Prometheus (the OG of giving a punishable gift)

>>376130932
But in the plot of Persona where friends and bonds form the strongest power he is incredibly weak when compared to The Trickster. The Wild Card's limit was Loki but The Trickster's limit summoned a being stronger than a god. Wild Card was maxed out when you fought him, Trickster kept growing.

>>376130929
They should've give her one for when she does change in cognition for an all out attack on turn 1

If Goro seemingly had Loki from the start as his initial, then what would his ultimate even be? Where would you go on from there if you already leaped into the rebel God stage.

>ambushes you at the end of the longest fucking dungeon in the entire fucking game

Fuck this tryhard cunt.

>>376131198
Yalaboth or what ever was not a god like Nyx he was a false god. Hence why it was Satanel who was summoned to destroy him. The trickster has the power ( at least since 3) to look towards the truth and based on bonds make a path that fits their needs. We never get to see the bad guy version reach full power because he gets jumped on by 8 people every time before that happens. I think Akechi at the very least may have been able summon a creature like Fenrir at his fullest. A form opposite to Satanel in that he devours everything mindlessly.

>>376130929
Is that official?

>>376131458
>then what would his ultimate even be?

Nothing. Only someone who embraces bonds can tap into their ultimate power but he refused so he god delt a good hand but squandered it.

>>376131458
I think he already had loki because earlier the hamburger faggot described someone with a black mask. I would argue his ultimate would be Fenrir son of Loki

So, after Persona 5 im finally starting Nocturne for first time. What should i expect?

>>376131458
Probably Helel. This particular persona is missing in P5's compendium yet he's in P3 and P4.

>>376131604
It happens when you get the random start to all out foes. It's very rare I've seen it maybe once.

>>376131727
Your candelabra to begin flickering wildly when you really don't want it to.

>>376131727
Fusing to be a pain in the ass.

>>376131191

It's just a stronger reprensetation, in P5 every base persona across party members carry a theme of tragedy. Kidd, Carmen and Milady died horribly, reading the Necronomicon is basically a self-destroying act because the knowledge within it kills you, etc.

But the ultimate personas do away with that tragedy and instead become glorious. Sun Wukong defied the heavens that refused him entry in their hiearchy and won, earning his Saiten Teisei name through force of character and ultimately became a great hero, Prometheus is a forbidden wisdom that gives life to mankind and kickstarts their entire civilization, Hecate is the goddess of the same dark themes usually associated with witches / femme fatales, but is revered instead of feared and spurned because she is the essence of feminity (and of nature, which is commonly linked to femininity)...

It's a way of symbolizing that they still haven't completely owned their shadows before the end of their social link, and when they reach their epiphany, their fate goes from tragedy to epic. It's really motivating.

>>376131727
Buffs/debuff boiii.

>>376131727
Level up like this
Str 3 points
Vit 1 point
Agility 1 point

Then repeat also around level 15 you will have the option to fuse a demon called a Bihorn. You need him to win a certain early fight a bit easier.

That's all you need to start.

>>376131816
Underrated

>>376131875
This so much, honestly that's the only thing holding me back from starting up Nocturne again

>>376123118
>If Joker didn't make the circumstantial miracle of gaining the wild card, he would have been expelled from school and wound up homeless

Gee, it's almost like stories depict the circumstances that went right or something.

>>376131908
>But the ultimate personas do away with that tragedy and instead become glorious. Sun Wukong defied the heavens that refused him entry in their hiearchy and won, earning his Saiten Teisei name through force of character and ultimately became a great hero, Prometheus is a forbidden wisdom that gives life to mankind and kickstarts their entire civilization, Hecate is the goddess of the same dark themes usually associated with witches / femme fatales, but is revered instead of feared and spurned because she is the essence of feminity (and of nature, which is commonly linked to femininity)...

And Loki would be remembered as the troll god forever. Kek.

>>376118914
He's a lawfag, like the P4 crew.

>>376118914
He wants you to know about the jews

>>376123617
That wasn't a fuck up. That's actually a huge plot hole. Yu and the ENTIRE gang had JUST finished explaining everything to Dojima in the police station cell, and Adachi was there for it. He even comments on "Huuuh? TV desuka? I still can't wrap my head around it..." right afterwards.

Naoto calling him out on this is the most idiotic thing of the entire series.

>>376132136

I'm actually a bit mad that Loki is still remembered in the collective unconscious as a destructive character, he was actually pretty fucking chill and friendly besides that whole unfortunate baldr incident, but it is what it is

>>376132136
>Sun Wu Kong won
He beat up quite a few gods yes but he was defeated by buddha. He was treated as a stable cleaner for a while and stated with good whine and food. Then when he got a real position he became petty and stole every single immortal item he could eat. He also barely lost to er shen. There are many times which he almost gets offed by demons as well. one of them being a child. Saiten Teisei was not a earned name but one made from ego. He monk name is the one he earned by overcoming the 81 trials and truly repenting from his crimes resulting in him become THE fighting Buddha

Godamn I hate weeb games but this one has such a nice aesthetic. I think I'll end up giving in and buying it even if I end up not liking the gameplay.

Is it comparable to Pokemon?

>>376132326
Do you lore dude?
Loki was an ass who was at most fun to hang out with. He constantly betrayed the gods like almost every story his was in. He did save them at times but only usually from trouble he himself had brought or after being threatened.

Also after he killed Baldr he went to a dinner party the gods were hosting demanding a seat and even when they gave him one despite everyone in the room hating his guts. HE STILL roasted all of them including Odin the only guys still on his side. He literally calls Thor a cuck and the runs off like the prick he is before being caught and tormented until the end of times.

>>376132520

>Saiten Teisei was not a earned name but one made from ego

I'll dispute that. If the jade emperor didn't fuck with him by refusing to give him a proper god role and didn't made him a stable boy, he would not have rebelled and forced the gods to respect him by force. Sure, Sun has an ego, but having an ego is not a bad thing when your opponent is a divine hierarchy that refuses to respect you.

Saiten Teisei is not his final title, but it's the one he earns when he is triumphant against the system that refuses him.

>>376132663
You don't get pokeballs, you have to talk to demons to get them, then you perform what essentially is group executions of your pokemon to make better ones and you cant beat the game with your starter ones, buffs actually matter. you can make invincible pokemons that are based on mithology, the most powerfull demons are satan and some random samurai, go and make friends or you are fucked.

>>376128536
>>376128586

>4chan is going to have to suffer through another 10 months of an unofficial, uncannon name again, just like with P3 and P4.
>Just because some weebs thinks it's unnatural to use their own name on the name select.

He even has a pretty good placeholder name as it is. Joker.

>>376133124

P3's mc still doesn't have an official name

>>376133124
The way I remember it, everyone called the P3 hero "MC" and the P4 hero "Protag." Even now I don't see many people calling the P3 guy Minato/Makoto, mainly they just say Door-kun or Blue Jesus, and people say Yu Narukami because that is now his 100% official canon name.

>>376132663

If you play persona for the combat I am very sorry

It's not bad, it's serviceable, but you won't enjoy it if you can't get into the story and characters.

If you want a fully combat oriented experience I recommend the devil survivor games

>Loki is his persona for over two years
>the imposter persona is overall better with debilitate, light spells and an almighty one compared to the Physical+dark Loki
Failure of a human.
How come he didn't have other persons to fuse? I'm sure he could talk to them, and probably could use the velvet room if he is a wildcard. Sure no rank 10 fusions but it's good enough.
>>376133124
I just call him potter at times.

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>>376133124
>unofficial

it's in the manga.

>>376132875
He did make him a stable boy that was his first role that's why he got pissed in the first place. Saiten Teisei is not even the name he gave himself it was "Great Sage Equal to Heaven". They then gave him another role to watch the peach garden and it still was only to give some job to do. Then he fucks up shit because he was upset he was not invited to a party. This is directly from the chinese book whatever shit the japanese made up is not canon.

What did you name your Joker? I named mine Kaito.

>>376133727
Akira Kurusu

>>376133630

>canon

I don't think you understand how mythology works

>>376121971
Got a source on that pic? Saucenao turns up nothing

>>376132753
>that time loki gave birth to a six legged horse

>>376130932
>Group says "We wouldn't have won without our combined power against you!"
>During actual fight, I have Grimhelka on, making me literally immune to his bullshit, and also reflecting the damage back to him

Uh, sorry guys, I could have had this by myself. I even had Melecheckzak or whomever on backup for his light spells.

>>376133805
I don't think YOU understand that Journey to the West is a novel and not just a random collection of vocal stories like norse poems and other pantheons. He is not a god with various people making up stuff about him. He is a completely documented character in one of the 4 great novels of china that people still read today and even make t.v. shows from. So yes there is a established canon that has years of history and is written down in plain black and white by an established author. No jap shit is considered canon for him period.

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>>376133727
Raiden, of course.

>>376133727
first run:
Euzeth Gozzo

2nd run:
my name

>>376129264
Sometimes vanity replaces pride in the seven deadly sins

>>376134092
>That time Loki gave someone a gold purse made from their brothers corpse

>>376134257
I don't understand people like you.
>Haha epic funny name! I'm going to completely undermine any attempt to make this game immersive or take the plot seriously!

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>>376133551
>The manga is official

>>376134542
more official than anything else so far

>>376133393
What's wrong with the combat? I thought it was pretty good.

>>376133727
I used My real life name

>>376131816
Mostly the first time actually.

>>376134584
>"Well it's relatively MORE official than nothing at all, right?"

This isn't a spectrum, Bill Nye. It's either official, or not official. And it's not official.

>>376134785
where is your proof that the manga is not official?

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>>376129486
>his new Persona is Megatron

>>376134542
It's the official manga, so until the official animation is made and he's given a new name it's the most canon name people have apart from just using his codename Joker.

I don't really get how people stroke themselves over Kira when he was so shitty from beginning to end.

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>>376134884
>Megatron

>>376134986
classic transformers

>>376134594

SMT combat scales extremely poorly, by the end it simply becomes "do you have enough sp regeneratives to keep the buffs/debuffs/heal up while you chip away at the boss' health"

It's very standard and boring jrpg combat with not much thought put into the higher end fights.

To be fair they did their best to make it more interesting, batton passing is cool and dynamic and really fun to use in practice, but whenever that gimmick is unapplicable to a fight the game becomes boring.

I mean bosses are basically "can you survive the AOE and heal every turn ?" Not exactly exciting.

It's an issue most smt games share and if you're okay with that it's fine, but I wouldn't call it "good". Devil Survivor is still the game that has done the best job at revitalizing the formula and making combat exciting. Persona, well, combat only accounts for about 25% of playtime, so i's not that big a deal if its a bit boring, but you won't hear me sing its praises.

>>376131458
I figured if Akechi had stayed alive and joined the party, he'd get his ultimate in that rank 10 scene, where he'd lose Loki after no longer having that will in his heart, to be replaced by Robin Hood evolving into Baldur maybe?

>>376130929
Why is the autism awareness logo in the bottom left lol

>>376134972

That's because his persona had NO WEAKNESS

I'm STILL butthurt over no water and earth element...

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>>376123098
This can't be for real. If so, holy kek dude.

>>376135048
I agree with you mostly, but I think most of the fun of Persona and SMT in general comes from actually building the team that allows you to essentially curb stomp the boss. It's not really about the fight itself but more about the preparation that goes into heading to the fight. That's just my two cents and why I like it, though.

>>376135095
Baldr is no trickster. He would either keep loki and get a design change or get a 3rd unrelated persona. Fuck Baldr barely has character other then everyone loving him.

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>>376134838
>>376134891

I'm sorry, but this time the burden of proof lies on the original creator of the story. Where are the credentials backing up that the manga is "official" according to director Katsura Hashino? That's the only way to prove that the manga is official. Without those words, the manga isn't canon and is only "official" in the sense that Atlus acknowledged the writer of the manga that he will not be sued.

In otherwords, the lack of Hashino's official stance on the events or names in the manga being official is my proof. If you wish to prove me wrong, find Katsura Hashino's stance on the subject saying "I believe the name in the manga is the official one."

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>>376123098
holy shit this has to be a joke

>>376135154
>Throwing dirt and water at people
Come now anon are we apes?

>>376135048
>Devil Survivor is still the game that has done the best job at revitalizing the formula
>The game that turns all combat into rocket tag favoring the person who shoots first

And in one fell swoop, you lost all your credibility.

>>376129360
>Dies off screen to easy mobs and a clone of himself with no powers
All cognitive versions of people in Shido's palace had demon forms, you can't say it didn't have powers.

>>376135242

>I think most of the fun of Persona and SMT in general comes from actually building the team that allows you to essentially curb stomp the boss

I agree mainly, but my problem with persona in that regard is that since P3 party building is near non existent since your party members are pretty much uncustomizable (apart from a few flavor utility skills that have no impact), and that's a real damn shame.

I like SMT better when you can build a whole team.

>>376135262
>Where are the credentials backing up that the manga is "official" according to director Katsura Hashino?
Because if it wasn't official it'd be a doujin, not a manga.

>>376135421
Dude was holding a gun as his main method of attack. That shit does like 30 dmg per shot.

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>>376135139
Dumb JoJoposter.

>>376135256
Well, Akechi claimed his white outfit was his image of someone who upholds justice, rather than rebellion. If he went back to that and it became genuine, I figured maybe he would have a Persona that isn't a trickster god. Baldr seemed like the most obvious evolution for his abilities, considering he's a god of light. Admittedly I don't know much about Norse mythology though, so there's probably plenty of gods that would fit the bill better.

>>376135353
Persona 2 had that shit, dumb negro.

>>376135512
Again, as I stated, which you would have seen if you had read further, "official" in this capacity means that Atlus simply acknowledges the Writer's right to write on the copywrite, right? Where is the statement from director Hashino stating that Akira Kuusha is the official name for canon story of P5?

>>376135376

That's not even close to being true apart from the tribes that have the no counter attack ability.

You damaged your own credibility instead of mine with that assertion desu famalam

>>376135516
except in cutscenes where it's always fatal, did you even play Persona 3?

>>376135621
It's declared as official by the company, not the director you retard, you should know how official manga/anime work. Pokemon has a lot of official manga for example.

>>376135652
>Not even close to being true
>Game gives you a huge initiative advantage if you attack first in combat
>Meaning that it's retarded easy to destroy an entire team using weaknesses, high-crit abilities, and dances
>Late game, if you do not do this, the enemy will do it to you and kill you almost instantly

Whose credentials are in question here, twat?

>>376135621
Its officially published, stamped off by Atlus as a legitimate use of the works and is the official manga of the series. If it was just acknowledged, it would be a doujinshi because that happens sometimes

>>376135376

There's an entire map that you can only win from killing every ennemy with a counter attack you mongoloid

There is literally no mechanic that favors the attacker

>>376135516
He used one shot kill

>>376135761

If you think the initiative bonus given to the attacker matters in the slightest you're very bad at the game, sorry anon.

It's trivially easy to get bonus turns without it and you are in fact encitivized to do it.

>>376135556
Definitely not Badlr his ONLY quality was that he was loved by all. If anything this applies to Joker more. Baldr was also immune to all damage even when compared to other gods(except you know what). Akechi was upset looking at other people feel that kind of love and grew to hate people with that connection. Hence the Loki persona. He probably could still wield loki since that part of him does not disappear completely. Loki is not objectively evil either he just made some poor choices based on envy and hate. A redeeming arc is not beyond what you can do with Loki story wise simply because people want to like him.

>>376135736
>>376135776

Pokémon has a lot of "official" manga meaning that the manga exists with the blessing of the company, but none of them have ANY statement on what is canonical which is what is in question.

The hero's name from Pokémon Red/Blue/Green/Yellow is Red. This is canon as given by the events in the games.

It is not Ash, Satoshi, or anything else manga writers have come up with.

Again, "official" means that the work was given an "okay I won't sue you" stamp and they see part of sales. That's literally it.

The only person who has any valid stance on what is canon or not to the story is the writer and director, Hashino.

Again, I ask you, without trying to undermine the discussion, where is your statement that the manga's name is official in any way, shape, or form?

>>376135776
>If it was just acknowledged, it would be a doujinshi because that happens sometimes
Yeah some series have porn content that while technically unofficial are official due to having had a good chunk of the creators work on it in their off-time.

>>376135780
>There is literally no mechanic that favors the attacker
So you literally didn't play the game then, eh? >>376135736

>>376135863
>If you think the initiative bonus given to the attacker matters in the slightest you're very bad at the game,

>If I just ignore the mechanic by grinding, then that will SURELY proove that anon is bad at the game

Again, no good credentials to speak of. Don't bother replying, because I won't. I'm done with you.

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Wait, so let me get this straight.

The reason Akechi Goro ruined or ended hundreds (maybe even thousands from collateral) of Japanese lives as an assassin and terrorist, was just so he could pull off an extremely convoluted and exotic form of revenge against politician Shido that would've also ended his own life?

Instead of all that horrific shit, why not just..kidnap and torture him?

>>376136163
>why not just..kidnap and torture him?
That wouldn't have been enough for Akechi, and his plan was never going to succeed since Shido saw him as too big of a liability and was going to get his cleaner to murder Akechi in the real world right after his victory.

>>376136110
Didn't mean to quote >>376135736 in that post. Misclick of the mouse.

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>>376136163
>posting same thing in different threads

>>376136110

Good, don't reply to people better than you at videogames in the future in regard to game mechanics ever again, you're just making a fool of yourself.

Calling Devil Survivor "Rocket tag" in a fucking persona threads of all games lmao. Have you ever gotten ambushed in Nocturne ? What a fucking joke.

>>376135964
That is how it is normally, but Persona has used Manga canon up until anime canon almost every time. Even after the persona 3 movies they continue to acknowledge the manga canon which was also used in promotional materials. p4 changed that by canonizing the anime name and leaving the Manga name behind. Now because the one off anime only referred to him as Joker and no no name was used in promotional materials, and the studio itself advertising and overseeing the manga we are left with the only possibility remaining being that the manga name is canon. You don't understand the difference between Manga and Doujinshi and should really look into it more before getting into debates against autistic weaboo's.

>>376136006
No Game No Life has some creator approved Doujins and so does Geass.

>>376136379
>That is how it is normally, but Persona has used Manga canon up until anime canon almost every time.
When? On which planet? This has literally never happened except within the fanbase.

>>376136110

>grinding
>in fucking DeSu

Lmao desu famalam

>>376136006

If the character designer of Roll draws her sucking dick on his spare time that doesn't make those drawings canon anon

The work doesn't necessarily belong to its original creator

>>376134756
>first encounter
>Dante if you don't know when he'll show up
>the one in that seemingly empty strip mall that shows up in the back
>that rider who basically needs you to petrify his two chronies or you get a hell of a fight
Dante is the worst offender the first time since he's tough, but the 2nd time he does spell it out for you that you'll fight soon.

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>>376127528
Is it bad that I sort of did that with Arsene?
>Instantly adore his design
>Play him all the way through
>Give him decent skills and stats thanks to skill cards and the gallows

I just wanted to beat the game from start to finish with the canon persona for once

>>376136430
Minato Arisato was used in promotional material, and the manga. I also believe there was an interview that stated Makoto Yuuki wasn't the game canon.

>>376136310
>Call someone shit at a game
>All of SMT is notorious for rocket tag
To be quite honest, he actually gave reasons why he thinks that, and all you've done is called him shit. If anything, I believe him over you. Just stating my two cents, anon.

>>376136583
You kind of do anyways. Because you are fusing him up, a part of him stays with you through the entire journey as a piece of everyone else

>>376136585
>was used in promotional material
>and the manga
Don't give a shit about the manga, but which promotional goods were made using Minato Arisato, and where are they? And why was the name not used for the movie?

It just seems like a third party taking their hand at it as opposed to a direct move on the writer/director's part, or even a majority of Atlus outside of the marketing team.

>>376136667
Yeah but none of them look as rad as Arsene himself

>had to use him in the fusion tutorial and he turned into some faggot hiding in a vase

>>376136602

Because if you actually play the game the initiative bonus given to the attacker is not important, and certainly not to the same degree that going first in Persona / mainline SMT does.

You'd have to be pretty fucking daft to say otherwise after having played the game, and since you didn't, why do you think your 2 cents matter

>>376118914
YOU FUCKING SPOILER SCUM
FUCK YOU

>>376136857
I did play the game actually, and I fully disagree with the assertion that the initiative bonus doesn't matter. I think that's fundamentally wrong. Unless you can convince me otherwise, I'll probably be slated against you the rest of the discussion. But I'm also just a rando on 4chan, so do whatever man.

>>376136790
Gameplay demonstrations and things used Minato Arisato, the Manga name. The movie has about as much original directors input as the Manga so I don't see why you're holding that up as something different.

>>376132136
Loki was a magnificent and powerful god, then became the ultimate trickster and ruined everything with his own hands. Eventually he gets permanently tortured and his children need to care for him or something, right? He went too far with Odin or some such.
Either way he's remembered as being absurdly strong with his own power, but used it improperly and didn't know when to chill.

>>376129360
>did not know how to end his arc

I think dying for true justice, helping the phantom thieves with his last act and being killed by the persona he created to fool Shido is all a pretty great way for him to go out.

>>376133727
tenshi

>>376136962
Gameplay demonstrations by whom, though? You're ignoring a huge part of this, which is the blessing of canonization and not just someone in marketing taking advantage of something occurring within a fanbase. How do we know it was "Hashino san came in and said "use this name"" vs "Some dude on a couch in front of a camera said "Let's name him after the manga!"". Fuck, it could have been an advertisement for the manga as opposed to being canon.

The point about the movie was just simply pointing out that even within the "official" sources where these names are gotten, there AREN'T any agreed upon standards, or if there were, the name would have been universal across the board.

>>376133727
Yuuki Kazuma. It's the name I use for any super japanese game because hearing my american name with "-kun" and "senpai" is fucking weird

Then it turns out he shares a first name with that faggot mishima

>>376137330
I use my real name, but I also took a Japanese class for 2 years, so I'm used to having the Japanese teachers/assistants call me "Erikku-kun" and such.

>>376136957

Good lord what is it with daft people and pretending to be the voice of reason

The initial point was : DeSu is the only game that managed to break the monotony of SMT combat

The other retard said that was wrong because DeSu was "rocket tag where attacking first has too much weight".

I disputed that arguement saying going first has in fact the least amount of importance in DeSu compared to other SMT games, and in fact, plenty of maps are built around advancing a character into a zone so that every ennemy in said zone will attack him and you'll kill them in a single turn. That's a core map design element. If you played the game you'd know this and you'd know how important movement skills are to that end. It's also the reason why No Counter tribes fucking suck as the player. Because you don't want to ensure going first in every fight, you want to have as many fights per turn as possible.

Then that retard accused me of grinding in fucking DeSu. Do you know what happens when you try to grind in DeSu ? You gain 1 xp per fucking ennemy killed, that's what happens. It's literally impossible to grind, and the only point of the training maps is money for fusing.

If you played DeSu you'd know that the actual combat turns themselves are second in importance to map placement and party building, which in both cases make the combat much more complex and engaging than persona's combat.

What was his point ? What are you agreeing with ? That DeSu combat is bad ? Even if that were the case, what grievance do you have with the combat that is not significantly worse in any other SMT game ? Notice how he didn't name one game ? Because his only concern was being argumentative, not actually making any sensible point.

If you "agree" with him you'd have first to actually put words in his mouth because he literally didn't say anything.

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>>376136803
GOBLIN
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>>376137819
>only game to break the monotony of SMT combat
Majin Tensei's untranslated but exists

>>376137052
Dude do you even lore?
He is one of the weakest gods and uses trickery to accomplish all his goals. Once he got super fucking smashed and was pissed Thor did not wait for him to go on an adventure earlier that day. So he went into Thor's house at night while his wife was sleeping and cut off all her hair. The drunk bastard left his shoe there during the mistake so Thor found him out. When Thor pressed him Loki literally started crying and his wife had to come plee for his life. He eventually did some trickster shit and everything ended well but I would not describe him as powerful.

For fucks sake the first time we see him he literally volunteers to get fucked by a horse and then brags about it. He even has a kid by the horse and gives it to odin as a stead. I am 100% serious.

>>376137825
I dumped his is ass so fucking quick and re-summoned Arsene after seeing it

>>376137947

Well I didn't play that, I should have said "only smt game I played that [...]" but I hoped that went without saying.

>>376137127
>Dying for true Justice
No one had to die in that situation we literally had 8 people battle ready not to mention smoke bombs.

>>376137825
FUCKING KIKES

>>376137819
It's less I agree with him and more that I disagree with your assertions. I think initiative does matter because I noticed that when I abandoned your way of thinking early on, that of moving my units within the enemy's zone, and instead changed to a tactic where I moved my units to a range outside of my opponents zone but close enough that next turn I could attack them, it drastically increased my odds of survival because my unit would regularly attack first, allowing me to kill off the team not only in one turn, but without taking damage. Isn't this an objectively superior move? I honestly don't think I utilized many counter tribes just because of this new strategy. It's been awhile, so I don't remember how I dealt with the other anon's assertion that there was a match where you could only use counter abilities. I feel like that was a wrong statement, or I would have had a better memory of it. I probably wound up using pierce or almighty abilities.

I likewise acknowledge that grinding will eventually get you down to very low amounts of xp return in any SMT games as SMT likes to use a level-number based system, but quite honestly, I have never seen a 1 xp return on any mob. What level were you at to have seen this phenomenon exactly? Cause the more I think about it, the more that I realize you would have had to be an exceptionally higher level than I was. Are you sure you weren't grinding?

On your last point, it's less that I'm agreeing with him, and more that I just disagree with you. You come off as conceited, but I've yet to see any affirmation of why that conceit is justified. You're the one who really comes off as argumentative. You even point out that he didn't list a single game, but then it was your failure to ask him about it. If this point is so important and you're not just arguing for the sake of shitposting, then why didn't you ask him? Sounds to me like you're the one at fault here. But that's just like, my opinion man.

>>376133727
Akira Potter

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>best segment of the game was when Akechi joins

He's going to be back, right?

Is level 62 good for Shido? I'm about to send the calling card but I'm not in the mood to get destroyed. I also have Trumpeter with Debilitate but I have a feeling he's gonna have some bullshit that negates my debuffs

>>376139397
I think he uses dekaja more than dekunda (I'm not even sure if he has dekunda).

>>376139397
It's fine. Pretty sure he casts Dekaja/dekunda though. Still fine for making him waste a turn.

>>376139397
Just spam debuffs anyway and have him waste turns taking them down. His boss fight is a joke if you have the party full heal anyway.

>>376139573
>>376139397
I've noticed that he tends to cast Dekaja/Dekunda under two circumstances. The first is that two buffs are up at once for your side, or two debuffs are on him at once. The second circumstance is that he gets an extra turn by striking a weakness.

>>376130897
Wasn't the area he was in supposed to also fill with water? How the hell was he supposed to survive?

I mean, I know they're going to asspull it anyways but still.

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>>376118914
Evil Akechi has some legitimately funny lines, but I wish he wasn't such a shit character. It's pretty annoying that even the PT, after defeating him and finding out he's not even a real detective STILL praise him as being some super genius when he's just some damaged kid with super powers. The only part of that scene in the end where the PT is trying to compliment him that seemed genuine at all was from Makoto, who mentions that he's jealous of him for gaining the respect of her older sister Sae, even if he did do it through nefarious means. The entire part where they're like "oh it took all of us to outsmart you!" sounded so fake.

The only non-player character to not like him seems to be Ohya, who calls him cocky. I wonder if that's because she's a journalist?

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>>376140424
>The only non-player character to not like him seems to be Ohya, who calls him cocky

I would think Tae and Iwai would also see through his bullshit. They're too cynical to trust people so easily.

>>376118914
jappo nonsense english phrase

>>376118914
I want an ending where MC dies and you play with Akechi the rest of the game.

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>can't ditch your team of dweebs and form a party with Sojiro, Tae and iwai

>>376140424
They were probably trying to comfort him to join them by spouting bullshit.

>>376135516
Kek

who /pancakes/ here?

>>376139062
Yes

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>>376130951
Don't worry, he's more like pic related.

>>376129143
Tartarus was meant to be intimidating in P3 because it was the main dungeon; the Full Moon events were more like side bosses. On the other hand, Tartarus is un-subtly intended to be meant for grinding, because you now have actual dungeons to go through.

>>376141831
Come on, this is Persona. The cast always believes what they're saying somehow.

>>376145098
I refuse to believe that they could be that stupid, even if facts are in my face.

>Bona fide Monafied
What the actual fuck did she mean by this?

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>>376145330
That's Persona 5's biggest problem 2bh. It presents you with ideas about some things that it expects you to just swallow without noticing the fact that actual events did not convey those ideas well at all. I'd be completely fine with Goro's character as it is if they'd simply done a better job of presenting it.

>>376122161
it was this moment he knew, he fucked up.

>>376145504
>We will never get to experience that glorious cut in as a party member
I agree with your point also.

>>376127428
Save him by making him really join a group of kids who think that brainwashing adults is what justice is? To me it feels like there is not difference between the group and akechi except on a perception point. One changed people to become brain dead...the others just blended people's minds until they became totally different persons

>>376123098
Fun bait

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Why did you fail to protect this smile

>>376147818
it doesn't matter, the only other end for him was pancake induced diabetes

>>376147009
Fuck off Goro apologist-kun

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>>376147818
I didn't.

Does anyone have that picture of the cast where Goro and Joker switch places? iirc it has Goro in a Shujin uniform and Joker in Goro's clothes. Goro is with the full party and Joker is alone walking away I think.

>>376130753
I think Raidou was just wearing the appropriate school uniform at the time.

In the manga you see him go to school for a bit and even interact with other Devil Summoners there.