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>you lived to see your favorite franchise be turned into

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>you lived to see your favorite franchise be turned into normie trash
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>>376117137
It was always "normie trash" only for Japanese people.
Filthy gaijin 嫌な豚 like you were never meant to play Taro's games.
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>actually having hipster weeb's first franchise has your favorite
you deserve it cuck
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>>376117137
>sequel gets higher sales
>WTF I HATE THIS FRANCHISE NOW

kill yourself hipster
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You call THAT normiefication?
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>>376117137
>implying anyone but weebs play your pathetic robot ass simulator
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>>376117137
YYYes. Give him more clicks from your impotent rage, goyim. Tell us how much you hate him while giving him revenue.
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>>376117137
you're basically lower than trash if you're going to act elitist about electronic toys
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>>376117329
Get off my anime based american board. Noodle nigger.
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>>376117773
>he isn't subscribed to GT
It's great shitposting material. I don't even have to play the games and I get real knowledge about it and also shitty theories that bait hard because people know it's from GT.
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>>376117695
persona has been normie shit since 3
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>>376118002
But I am and I agree.
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I miss when the games were bad and nobody wanted to shitpost them and when they did shitpost them you could just be like "Hahaha yeah, the combat IS shit, isn't it?" and we could just talk about lore for hours at a time uninterrupted.

I'm glad Taro finally got success but holy fuck fuck /v/'s contrarianism. This game is getting 100x the shitposting that any other Taro game has ever gotten and it's the one that's not actually shit in any way. Fuck all of you.
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>>376117695

I unironically liked that one, but the rest of that guy's edits are shit

>>376118135
Nope, it was in that niche; people know it but it's still that other JRPG game apart from Final Fantasy even after 4 and its spinoffs. 5 really changed the game though, this is where you can say its mainstream, where everyone cannot stop sucking its dick from mainstream gaming sites and reviewers to youtube e-celebs and """"content creators.""""
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>>376118293

To be fair, the game is getting its hateboner here because of the Platinum's involvement,since there's always been this hostility towards Platinum fans
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>>376118323
>sells millions
>niche
neck yourself
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>>376117137
>You try and play it anyway
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The game is literally amazing. You queens need to find a new day job
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>>376118525

>on a dead platform
>fighting game is literally dead

Ask your typical western gamer what Persona was prior to 5 and you'll get shrugs. When you get shit like Honest Trailers for games that's when you know you've hit normie central.
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>>376117137
>le normie bogeyman
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>>376117137

Yo, seriously

/v/ needs to stop having this "Popularity is bad" phobia
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>>376118736
once again
>sold millions
>niche
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>>376118798

And? Shadowverse has 9 million downloads, would you call it mainstream?
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>>376118887
>the only two choices are mainstream and niche
stop yourself you're embarrassing
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>>376118798
Only 5 sold millions.
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THIS IS ALL SONY'S FAULT THEIR DUDEBRO MACHINE IS EXPOSING /OURGAMES/
FUCK SONY AND FUCK PS4
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>>376118736
>Ask your typical western gamer what Persona was prior to 5 and you'll get shrugs.

Unless you're counting Cawadoody brogamers this isn't true
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>>376118954
>only
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>>376118951

>shifting the argument when provided with a counterpoint

You suck at this.
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Youtubers ruin everything. They're a gateway between normalfags and obscure media, always appealing to the lowest common denominator. Clemps and ValkyrieAurora made great summary videos, but bigger channels that don't even know Drakengard exists have noticed their moderate success with this series and have started shitting out half-assed "lore recaps" that miss every important aspect of the games. Now there's people that believe themselves to be knowledgeable on Taro's work that haven't even played the games and treating them as the second coming of christ, shitting up the fanbase.
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>>376119036
how am i shifting the argument
you call it niche
it's not niche
you then say >well it's not mainstream
there isn't just mainstream and niche you dipshit
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>>376119020
Yes. P5 is the only game to sell 1.5 million. The games combined have only sold 4.5 million.
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>>376117137
REEEE
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>>376119150
bullshit persona 4 golden sold over a million
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>>376117137
As opposed to just, trash?
Wew lad.
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>>376119124

I proposed a counterpoint nigger, that means your entire argument of relying on sales to justify whether its niche or not fails because I raised an example of something that has shittons of download but not mainstream.

If you were actually not stupid, you could argue that Persona isn't niche prior to 5 because of all the expanded media, that would hold more weight because that would mean exposure to a wider audience. Neck yourself retard.
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>normie
/v/edditor is literal hipster, ha, figures.
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>>376118796
>it's popular so it's good
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>>376119239
I was wrong about 4.5 million its actually 6 million. Show Golden's sales numbers.

http://gematsu.com/2015/05/persona-series-sales-top-six-million
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>>376119343
shadowverse isn't niche though
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>>376117137
>normie
le ironic normalfag xD spotted
Kill yourself you pathetic waste of space.
Also check this 3
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>>376117137

Like Zelda? Mario? Final Fantasy? Persona? Etc?

It's very hard to find true niche games this day and age.
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>>376119463

It's only popular in asia. West is still Hearthstone dickriders.

Both suck though dont get me wrong. SV was supposed to save CCGs not bathe in its filth
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>>376119601
at least you admit it's not niche
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>>376117137
That's fine anon, at least now you have an excuse to be an annoying twat about it.
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>>376119542
Tales and Atelier still haven't gotten to the mainstream.
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>>376117137
>two games
>franchise
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>>376119624

It's niche. Always contextualize when you say niche or not. In the west its hardly ever popular. Its still that trashy weeb cardgame with creepy art to most people
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>>376119689
Technically it's an alt-sequel to Drakengard so it's 5 games.
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>>376117137
more money for taro
why let others ruin the experience for you they aren't even multiplayer games
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>>376119994
>hey aren't even multiplayer games
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>>376119726
why don't you contextualize by saying in the west it's niche
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>dude normie lmao reeee xD am i a special snowflake yet?

Stop pretending that you aren't ''normies'' you fucking retards.
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>>376120084
you know what i mean man
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>>376119685

Atelier I might be inclined to agree but not Tales that's borderline mainstream not anywhere near being considered niche. Niche franchises don't get animes and have large cult followings on both sides of the Pacific.
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>>376117137
It took you this long to realize nier wasn't going to be a cult classic game anymore? As soon as I saw everyone on /v/ talking about 2B ass I knew it was going to be way more popular and more accessible than the original. Sex sells man. I still haven't played it yet. I'm the only person out of my friend group that's actually played the original way before the new one was announced, yet I'm the only one that hasn't played it. That's just how it is.

But that's not necessarily a bad thing. I'm glad people like it, but a lot of people seem to like it more for the ass than anything else. My friends don't even know half of the story, they skipped like half the cutscenes. That part annoys me.
>inb4 let them play how they want to you autist
That's fine with me, but don't keep telling me how much you love taro and all his works when you didn't even play the original because it's "too sad" and you don't even pay attention to automata
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>>376119994
>4 the Cripples
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This is what happens when things get popular. Popularity is bad.
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>>376119124
>>376118798
>>376118525
"Niche market" is by definition anything that isn't mainstream. It can sell millions and still be niche as long as it isn't attempting to appeal to a wide mainstream audience.
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>>376120114

Because were on an english speaking imageboard, so the assumption is always centered on what's mainstream in western countries. It's like when I say Blazblue is popular which is false. Of course I would get laughed at if I said this in a Japanese site.
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>>376120215
>Tales that's borderline mainstream not anywhere near being considered niche
The sales disagree with you. Did Tales of Berseria even hit 200k?
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>>376117137

literally;
>it became popular so now it's trash
Kill yourself, faggot.
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>Dwarf Fortress will be made normie friendly in a few decades
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>>376120319
denoting or relating to products, services, or interests that appeal to a small, specialized section of the population.
>small
>5mill
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>>376120432
if "were" on an english speaking imageboard why aren't you speaking proper english you illiterate fagget
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>>376120565

are you retarded?

>Small section
5 mil can be a small section of the whole, when you have a billion people playing video games
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>>376118736

You know that games being niche does not depend on their sales, right? Persona is still niche and far from a normie game. Get your hipster head out of your ass.
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>>376120675
any amount of number can be considered small if you compare it to something else so what's your point?
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>>376117137
nah normies still get mad at 2b waring a maid outfit, game is safe
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>this thread

Anyone who say normies instead of normalfags is a normalfag in denial.
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>>376120624

Because english is not my native language and typos are a thing, but since you've stooped to that level then you've automatically lost the argument.

Kill yourself, sales isn't the end all to deem something mainstream or niche.
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>>376120728

That's what a niche fucking is you dumb retard, a small section.
Jesus christ just kill yourself
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>>376120565
>5 million in sales in a market of almost $100 billion
>not small
Everything's relative.
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>>376120801
>stooped that low
so like what you did earlier in the convesation
mc fucking die
>>376120820 read >>376120847
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>>376120443
>The sales disagree

I swear to fuck everyone on this board who constantly needs to bring up sales for fucking everything needs to be taken out back and fucking shot. go.to./biz/.
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>>376118323
>mainstream

A game is not mainstream in the west if it's not publicly advertised such as TV spots, billboards or bus posters.
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>don't hear anyone talk about Nier/Persona in public
>don't hear anyone talk about Nier/Persona online
>don't see any mainstream media coverage of Nier/Persona
Okay they're selling well compared to their predecessors but a few million in the single digits doesn't equate to mainstream.
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>>376120879

>Being a sore loser because people pointed out your retarded argument

Just stop
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normies were going to play it anyway because yorha gets their cock hard and it reminds chads of their third ex girlfriend
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>>376121004
>sore loser
how so hombre
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nier unironically got pushed more by big youtubers than persona
2B was designed to market this game
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You guys have no idea what mainstream mean.

Shit like P5 and Nier will be forgotten very fast by normalfags. Shit like Overwatch and PUBG is what you call mainstream.
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Im actually pretty fucking suprised that both, Nier and Persona got so fucking much attention. Especially Nier 1 was barely known, then came Automata and all the hip gaming sites were riding its cock like its the best game ever made. Same with Persona, but at least the franchise was somewhat popular for JRPG fans. Still weird to see it getting so much attention on mainstream sites where you always see the hottest new CoD or Asscreed game on the front page.
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>>376120927
>waaah it didn't sell well but I want to pretend it's popular to fit my narrative!!!
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>>376120879
Both of the posts you linked to at the end of yours are in agreement you dolt.
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>>376121332

No, I'm just so fucking sick of sales data being thrown around in almost every single thread these days. I've never seen so many people obsessed with numbers that have no bearing on them it's maddening.
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>Taro and his boys were happy as HELL to make this game and promote it
>everyone is having their fun time
>somehipster faggot is mad because of that

https://youtu.be/1hAo_tK5jVM?t=1h21m13s

It's hilarious how "Taro fans" don't even remotely understand him and his Japanese-only products. Dumb fucking gaijin scum.
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>>376121329
It's 'cause of PlatinumGames being a big enough title that Square Enix decided to give the game top billing. They could afford to even if it was a failure, but since PG is already famous for at least making respectable games (Bayonetta and MGR:R), they probably didn't consider it much of a gamble at all.
Square Enix can get the AAA production values with ease. They are big name. They can toss it to a no-name series without worry.
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>>376121351
but it's not though
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>>376121329

Automata got coverage because of "dat ass, japs so crazy xdd" and Persona got coverage because of its interface and music.

It also helps that there is literaly 0 good Westerb releases apart from Horizon. Andromeda was ill-received by everyone. When RDR2 gets released,the western mainstream will proclaim that as GOTY despite the dicksucking with these games.
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>>376121472

But they are you idiot
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>>376121472
>a niche is a small section
>5 million is a small section
Seems pretty cut and dry.
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>>376121420
Legit NieR fan here. I am absolutely proud of my dude. Automata hit it out of the park.
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>>376121559
ok i get where you're coming from
but they aren't
>>376121589
5 million isn't small desu
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>>376121387
>I've never seen so many people obsessed with numbers that have no bearing on them it's maddening.

>people speculate about something and claim stuff based on nothing
>show hard numbers that are a fact and can even prove something
>WAAH HOW DARE YOU POSTING TRUTH
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>>376121632
>5 million isn't small desu

Go back to middle school where you could maybe learn what percentages are, and what parts of a whole mean
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Fuck you I like 2B's butt
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>>376121753
does that mean 8 billion so small since we live in an infinite universe my dude
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>OP's favorite franchise is famous for robot butts

An

hero
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>>376121818

The only thing infinite in this universe is your stupidity
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>>376121542
>Automata got coverage because of "dat ass, japs so crazy xdd"
Its pretty sad that a game that has both, great story and gameplay, gets reduced to stupid shit like that.
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>>376121905
which proves my point that 8 billion is small :^)
nice joke btw i chuckled at it
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Automata is even more popular than P5.

All because of a fucking butt can you believe this?
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>>376117137
It was always normie trash, only easily impressed children who just got into anime or Japanese media actually like anything Taro does
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>>376120280
PS Cripple
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>>376118293
>not shit in anyway
It's Taro's worst story and low-tier platinum gameplay

It's also really fucking ugly
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>upset that formerly niche games like Dark Soul and Nier are becoming mainstream

I'd much rather AAA devs attempted to rip off these kind of games than the current garbage they are spewing
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Of all the fucking things to complain you care that it has gotten more popular?
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>>376121983
It's a simple fact that sex sells.

But Automata is also the better game.
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>>376122201
Automata isn't actually a good game at all though
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>>376122201

If sex sells then how come it's illegal to sell sex?
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>>376122201
But I thought normalfags didn't like 2D lewd.
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>>376122270
SJWs and tumblrinas are not normal people.
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>>376121632
If you're going to use hard numbers to determine whether something is niche or not then you should be prepared to provide an actual hard definition that has actual merit to it and isn't just a number plucked out of your ass.

Even assuming all 5 million sales were at the equivalent of $60, that's $300 mil in revenues, which is ~0.3% of the global video game market. That is absolutely niche, unless you want to provide an actual reason why it isn't.
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>>376121818
We're talking about relative size here, 8 billion whats. The size of the universe doesn't come into play and there can't really be a size comparison unless we're talking about 8 billion dicks in your asshole or something.
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What's wrong with a game appealing to normie?
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>>376122342
ok but you also have to clarify what people own that console
>>376122385
8 billion grains of rice my dude
p4g literally sold the vita
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>>376120280

>The PS4 Pro.jpg
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>>376122402

Is a game appeals to normies it means it's suited towards them so it's shit
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>>376122438
>ok but you also have to clarify what people own that console
Irrelevant because if the number is so low that N:A appears mainstream, then that means console gaming is a niche itself.
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>>376122551
so every game in the world that isn't cod or candy crush is niche
LOVE IT
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>>376122535
>REEEEEEEEEEEE FUCK NORMIEEES

Just kill yourself dumb normalfag.
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>>376118293
This should have been THE Taro game, instead we got his worst story, characters, world, and Platinum's worst combat to date. This game is a complete disappointment.
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>>376122648

Enjoy your next CoD installation you normie loving fuck
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>>376122690
Im calling you out for being a poser. Its clear that you are obviously a normalfag yourself.
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>>376122753

I'll have you know I'm a 29 year old virgin who hasn't talked to anyone irl in years
The normie here is you
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>>376122201
Automata is absolute shit compared to p5.
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>>376117137
>>376117695
Normies won't touch either of these games though. Both will be lucky to sell a million (sell, not ship) copies despite being on a platform with over 50 million units sold (and Nier is also on PC to boot).
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>Bizarre Cryaotic mask

I literally can't unsee it.
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Did you know that Taura-san's nickname is USB aka ULTRA SEX BEASTO?
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>>376122605
Overwatch broke the billion mark in revenue, that's pretty mainstream.

You still haven't provided your definition though. If you're going to use numbers then show those numbers with actual reasoning.
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>>376122795
>Showing off your powerlel
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>>376122810
Kek after this "antagonist"

Not a fat chance. 95 hours to develop main cast my sides
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>>376122810
>shitty dating sim with no gameplay
>better than anything

lmao
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>>376123004

I'm quite proud of it and I hope to reach wizardhood, something that is impossible for you normie
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>>376123000
so only overwatch is mainstream got it
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No Public advertising = Not Mainstream
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Yuuki Aoi is a gem.
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>>376123084
Yet another individual with a mental disability who won't get the care he needs under Trump's disastrous healthcare proposals. Sad!
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ITT:
>I'm more of a nerd than you! XD
fucking kill yourselves, obviously shit games like the souls franchise and entry level jrpg shit like final fantasy aka the kingdom hearts fund and shitsona would attract casual gaming scum

all you have to do is play games that aren't shit

tl;dr youre a piece of trash with shit taste
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>>376123075
>normie
>normie
>normie
>normie

Man you really want to feel special huh. You should not be proud of being a fucking loser kissless virgin you know.
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>>376123186
jokes on you i'm from japan
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>>376123204
>You should not be proud of being a fucking loser kissless virgin you know.

I have more mana than you so you're the loser here, manaless faggot
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>>376123172
I thought Hobbits rarely leave the Shire
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>>376123251
I hope you're just pretending to be retarded.
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>>376123295
Whatever you say, enjoy never having any mana, normalfaggot
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>>376123008

Couldve pointed out Shido. Even if he is one dimensional he's a very effective villain.
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>>376123028
>>376123008
>worst platinum game game to date
>good

Kek. Worst Taro game when it should have been the king. Complete fucking disappointment. At least the 95 hours of P5 is fun. Slogging through Automata actually put me to sleep one night.
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>>376123427
You haven't played korra then
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>>376123008
Goro is figuratively a more memorable and effective character than 2B, excluding her ass
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>>376123427
>Automata actually put me to sleep one night.
That's because Automata is soothing as fuck.
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>>376123813

>effective
>goro

You only remember him for pancake memes, just as bad as waifu shit
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>>376117137
>you lived to see your favorite franchise be turned into normie trash
Thank god monster girl quest (or any monster girl related media to be frank) will never become normie trash.
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>>376120280
What's your fucking problem?
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>>376124546
monster musume is normalfag trash.
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Once normies touched JoJo I realized American otaku culture is doomed.

The end of times will come when normies pretend they're depraved enough to enjoy Compile Heart games.
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>>376117905
we chinese now
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>>376124736
>monster musume is normalfag trash
TAKE THAT BACK RIGHT FUCKING NOW!
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>>376124912
It is.
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>>376124912
No, it's pretty damn popular with the ironic weeaboo crowd.
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>>376125114
>ironic weeaboo
Why is that even a thing?
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>>376124962
I know. It fucking sucks that a series like it got reduced to "lol, weird japanese shit, i'm such a weeb xD" with normies, it pisses me off. It was actually a pretty good series about the idea of Monster Girls being real, and how they would effect the world along with being a nice fan service series. Then normies ruined it and now it's basically impossible to talk about it without a shit ton of waifufags and retards who find it randumb.
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>>376124816
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>>376125353
Because being a weeb is sooooooooo cool xD
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>>376125353

>>376125403
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>>376125403
I wish someone would kill this guy.
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>>376119994
why tuching
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>>376125403
I thought Neptunia was compromised when it was released on PC but it turns out normies dropped it pretty quick.
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>>376124531
So you admit atleast he's remembered for his role in the plot, that's a hell of a lot more than 2B
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>>376121420
>me
>working hard for 21 years
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>>376125353
Same reason as people want to be like crazy Uncle 4chan without delving into the medium.
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>>376123427

Worst platinum game must be Bayonetta
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>>376126117
Agreed. Anything Kamemeya gets his hands on ends up being shit. The only thing he's good at is Twitter shitposting.
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>>376117137

>tfw drakengard is still pure

haha eat shit nierfags
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>>376123661
>>376126117

It's TMNT you contrarian retards
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>>376119404
Usually, yes. Most indie games are trash. Most indie movies are trash. The Nier/ drakengard series finally got good gameplay so normal, non autistic people got to enjoy it. It became good. At last
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>>376119223
>brilliant
2B is the dumbest of the three protagonists
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>>376122089
>It's Taro's worst story
You must not have played Drakengard 3.
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>>376127882
Go check your cognitive abilities, A2fag.
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>>376127146
If by pure you mean pure shit then yeah.
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>>376127882
>2B is the dumbest of the three protagonists
In what sense, secondary-kun?

in fact 2b and 9s are the most developed Taro characters.
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>>376125707
Nah it's just a meme that's way exaggerated, in a 120 hour game an antagonist like Akechi who can only be remembered by a single meme is pathetic and shows the level of writing P5 has
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>>376122679
>his worst story, characters, world,
Drakengard 3? Or did you forget about that?
The story was worse, made absolutely no sense without the DLC, and didn't tie into the first Drakengard without some supplementary manga that was released.
The characters were acceptable at best (and this is coming from someone who enjoyed the game a lot).

I've no idea how you can say this is his worst story with Drakengard 3 existing. Hell, the story in Automata is on par, if not better than the original Nier. The only thing I'll agree on is the characters being lacking compared to the original, but even that can be argued.
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>>376117137
Oh god he made a game theory
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>>376129579
>The story [...] made absolutely no sense without the DLC,

That's complete bullshit

>and didn't tie into the first Drakengard without some supplementary manga that was released.

Also blatantly untrue, and missing the point anyways

>The characters were acceptable at best.
The characters are 99% shit.

Decadus is unbearable, Octa is nearly so, Dito is shit all over, Five isn't remotely interesting until the diary in her DLC and her Novella. Zero and Mikhail are bretty good though, and I like One and Two, and Cent.
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>>376130636
>Also blatantly untrue

Nah it's true, none of the main endings in the "prequel game" connected to 1, it was some novel/manga
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>>376129579
>the story in Automata is on par, if not better than the original Nier
The story is about a whiny faggot who looses his mind when his waifu dies. All the other characters are plot devices, the story is simple and doesn't compare to the original NieR.

>>376130841
And Automata takes place after the drama cd ending E and the play, what's your point?
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>>376130841

It was a novel, and the novel basically just mashes all the endings together. Either way, you can learn what the fuck caused DoD1 by playing DoD3. Everyone got it and no one who doesn't speak moon has even read the novel.

The manga leads to DoD1.3
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>>376120929
P4 and 5 had TV ads
Fucking 5 had segments on sky news as "the greatest rpg game in history"
Its just sad that the worst games of their series get shilled
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>>376131210
>Its just sad that the worst games of their series get shilled

Yeah ok
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>>376128543
Nier is more developed if you count his replicant and gestalt selves as one person.
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>>376128543
2B doesn't naturally develop at all, she's a contrived piece of shit that only exists to carry theme, the most amateur of writing shortcuts

The narrative is 100% carried by 9S, 2B is nothing but a plot device
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>pronounces taro wrong
>calls 2B a lolita goth with a fetish for swords
>makes no sense since he clearly didn't actually play the game and just spouted stuff he saw from the trailer
>namedrops mass effect to say its shit despite it not really relating to nier at all besides being a rpg
>Is screaming the entire video
>>376119223
>This fucking description
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>>376117137
Matpat sounds so fucking drunk in this video
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>>376131912
Sounds like a problem for people who watch or care about e-celeb shit
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>>376131576
Pretty much all the characters are plot devices.
A2 exists so 9S could have a nemesis, DevoPopo so he can wake up and enter the tower, etc. Automata feels like a shounen, where the hero is mighty and all the other characters revolve around him. That's especially true when all the side materials are pretty much only about 9S and to a lesser extent 2B. All the others doesn't exist. We don't even know what happens to A2 after ending E.
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