>fighting this red cunt >get him to very low health >he

You're supposed to have an attack down skill so he can't actually raise his attack up. That or lower his accuracy so it doesn't hit you.

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>having difficulty with any of the fights in P5

>>376027648
Use Buffs retard!

I don't remember him having an ultimate attack, but if he does he probably spends one round charging up giving you chance to defend.

>Casualise SMT
>People still have difficulty

Game is way too hard I agree. They should think about the players more and make it easier in the hardest modes.

>>376027891
He actually uses beast eye to give himself an extra turn to buff up before using his raging storm

>>376027891
Nope, he did attack up then the all party butt rape move in one turn

Also he specifically targeted my joker twice in a row, giving me no chance to win. Fucking bullshit

>>376027753
I'm so embarrassed by how stupidly easy fights are in P5, even on Hard.

Strength and Hermit Rank 10 were a fucking mistake.

>>376027874
*nullifies ur buffs*

>every opportunity to cast reflect skills/items
>every opportunity to get dodge/drain/null
>hur the game
Good one

>>376027648
Shido was a much better boss fight than the actual final boss. The final boss was a pushover.

>>376028303
They both were pushovers.

>>376028119
Well I purposely don't use Strength 10's benefit and stick to normal fusion rules since otherwise you can just buy Lucifer and just ignore the rest of the game. Following the fusion cap the game is otherwise balanced fine.

>>376028163
Buff again retard, now you're wasting the boss's second turn.

Lower his attack and/or accuracy/evasion while buffing your defense and/or accuracy/evasion

>>376028352
Sure. It's a Persona game. But I would still expect the final boss to be more of a challenge than the second to last one.

>>376027648
>not just using a Phy reflect persona and DOOT DOOT

>>376027648
Wow Deadpool got fucking jacked

him and akechi were the hardest bosses for me. you're supposed to keep your buffs up during that stage and attack down him

A RIVER OF ISLANDS

>>376027648
I actually found his first phase (where he reflects phys) a lot more challenging. Physical is so broken as every SMT game.

The real shame is that a lot of people scum his way with the reaper and were overleveled for the final stretch of the game (I did it too), combine that with the strenght skilll and the game breaks itself.

>>376027903
>>376028119
To be fair, P5 is still at least harder than 4. That's probably why some people are having trouble because they're only coming off of P4 instead of SMT in general.

You could coast through 4 without paying attention to buffs, but in P5 at least you do need them for some bosses.

>>376027648
Honestly he was harder than the final boss. I had to use a Soma to get the team SP back.
Two characters with Charge breaks this game.

>>376028082
>Fucking bullshit
welcome to SMT

>>376027648
debuff him. have a persona that is resisted to melee attacks or have alot of EN.

easy.

>>376032654

The final boss was pretty damn tough for me, but I was horrible with preparations. I was like level 67, so no Charge on Ryuji, and never bothered making coffee or curry. So that shit was pretty intense the first time around.

Then in NG+ he dies in like three turns.

>>376027648
Genome?

>>376032975
You should have charge yourself at that point, though, among other options.

Hell I only used charge once or twice in that fight.

>>376027648
Literally how are you having trouble? 5 is the second easiest Persona game (IS is the easiest) even on Merciless. Just use buffs and debuffs, Shido doesn't use Dekaja after its first form.

>>376032505
4 is harder on Expert. Fodder enemies pose much more of a threat with them effectively using hama/mudo more and having higher level skills at lower level dungeons like the Hulk Hogans. The Confidants abilities you get in 5 break the game.

>>376033321
Wow, what a surprise, Hama and Mudo being dangerous in an SMT? That's nothing.

P5 has that in addition to regular attacks being dangerous too. Archangel is a huge threat on Hard Mode. And all the Resist/Null Phys demons in the Bank are harder than any Shadows in P4.

>>376033516
Not him but I don't think so. I beat the game on hard and I felt like it was easier than the past games.

>>376028795
>get repel phys on my Cerberus, along with tarunda, rakunda, and wage war
>none of the bosses that use physical attacks can touch me
>I can just enrage normal enemies and have them kill themselves if they attack joker

Repel phys is the easiest way to break the game. Shido was a pushover since most of his attacks were physical. The only reason I died was because he used mudoon on joker.

>>376033758
I think that P3 was the hardest, and not only because of the party system. P5 is hardER for the most part, except the bosses after the first are all easy to deal with. Every one of them. The palaces and dungeons are the hardest thing about it, but hey, Yaldabaoth is no Nyx Avatar

>>376033909
>Repel phys is the easiest way to break the game
yeah, and if you want to really be cheap you can buy a load of physical ointments from the clinic or just bring Haru along

>>376033909
i remember the first battle with akechi where he brings out the monsters. i used repel phys and it did over 500 damage when they attacked

>>376033940
>and not only because of the party system
Then why does the game become a cakewalk when you can control your party members in P3P? Also Nyx wasn't really hard, it was just a really long fight.

>>376032505
Yukiko's shadow is harder than anything P5 has to offer.

>>376033516
Hama/mudo aren't a threat in 5. And physical demons can be killed easily via aliment + psi or element effect + nuclear. The game gives you way too many options compare to the P3/P4. Having shit like Electric Slug just kill the game's difficulty.

>>376034141
Does it?

When I played FES the party pretty much did what I wanted whenever unless they were Mitsuru.

>>376034304
>Hama/mudo aren't a threat in 5.
they are, but really minor ones

I got done in maybe 4 times by instant death

>>376034195
Madarame is harder than Yukiko's Shadow

>>376034129
That happened to me too, I was worried that I would die since you fight him right after that oni boss (can't remember his name). But it didn't matter and I beat the piss out of him.

>>376027648
DON'T FUCK WITH THIS PRIME MINISTER

>>376034195
Stop this dumb meme. Yukiko is only hard if you literally never played an SMT game in your life.

Is Merciless poorly thought out? I feel like you getting 60% less experience and money is artificial difficulty

>>376034741
Technicals, criticals and weakness hits deal 3x damage to make up for that. You should really only be playing Merciless if you know exactly what you're doing anyway.

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>>376034741
That's why Hard Mode is best mode. Same damage modifiers but no bullshit reduced exp or money that just makes you have to grind more.

Only benefit to Merciless is getting to OHKO things with criticals.

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>>376034741
I didnt play it but if its anything like persona 4 maniac was then yeah its shit. The only way I could even keep up with the levels in that game is going to the tv during the thunderstorms to hunt gold hands and my party members were still 10 levels behind of the new person that would join. The game becomes piss easy around the time you get kanji though before that a fucking lion shadow was guranteed to one hit you with a regular ass attack

>>376034345
I guess. I don't ever remember the enemies using a all party Hama/Mudo skill. I only died against Shido's first form because I thought it was a good idea to charge a physical attack.

>>376027648
Why is he so angry

>>376035101
he's about to rule Japan and eventually the world and you're the only thing that can stop him

he even sort of kills himself if you succeed in a desperate maneuver

>>376027648
Mother harlot with debilitate. Walk in the park

>>376028082
Where's your Null Physical persona? Or are you just running blindly into fights and crying because you have no foresight?

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P5 has baton passing and broken confident abilities and niggas wanna lie and say P5 is harder than 4? Even when members slap your alignments off you for free?

What carries to NG+?

>>376035491
4 had that ailment slapping ability too, you retard.

>>376035535
items from maxed confidants (assuming you beat the game properly and didn't get a BAD END)
equipment, both equipped and unequipped in your inventory
compendium
money
social stats

>>376035491
who is saying that 5 is hard? the only easier persona that exists is Innocent Sin wince you can go through that entire game without ever fusing a single persona

Doesn't the dickgirl smelly neet warn you when he is about to do a one-shot kill move?

You're suppose to guard if you don't buff.

>Masakukaja
>Sukunda

Congrats you won

>>376035815
thanks.

>>376034439
>Rampage
>Swift Strike
Whoops.

>>376035815
Wait there's more than one ending?

>>376036364
Not for shido I think, since he can do multiple attacks. I may be misremembering, though really I had no trouble with him so it's hard to recall

>>376036364
He can still do enough damage to kill you even if you guard COUGH COUGH unlike Persona 4 COUGH COUGH so you at least need Tarunda and/or Marakukaja active too.

>>376036425
Try not easy.

>>376036501
yes

Unlike 4 it's much more obvious when you're going to get a bad ending.

I might be an edgy bastard but the Persona awakening scenes in this game made me so fucking hype, I was like a giddy child watching them, shit was great.

>>376036364
She can also do full guard if a attack is about to kill you. 5 is a joke.

>>376036620
Rise did that in 4 as well.

>>376034563
Yukiko's Shadow is the Matador of Persona.

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>tfw the only time MC died was doing colossal Phys damage to Yaldabaoth's sword arm and it reflected back
Wasn't even made honestly, I laughed pretty hard at myself for such a dumb mistake. I have to say though that I'm really surprised at how easy the game was, granted Persona games were always easier than mainline SMT.

>>376036683
Only in Golden.

>>376036690
So what is the Minotaur of Persona?

>guard during Shido's super attack
>can still die
>guard during Shadow Teddie's super attack
>damage is 100% nullified
But P4 is harder guise, I swear!

>>376036957
>I'll end it thus!

The only reason Minotaur was difficult.

>>376028473
>*Nullifies your SP*

>>376028303
Shido was better because that was the first time Rivers in the Desert plays

>>376036960
>attack an enemy weakness in P5
>baton pass and get massive attack boost and and heal rate, allowing you to use a physical AoA skill. Also have Electric Slug so enemy's HP is cut in half
>attack an enemy weakness in 4
>need to waste SP on every enemy to get a All out attack and they still may not die
But P5 is harder guise, I swear! Also Shido is a late game boss that doesn't use Dekaja or Dekuna so you can't die against him unless your retarded.

>>376036960
they aren't even comparable boss fights you fucking moron, lol.

>>376037102
>He didn't bring SP recovery items or the SP adhesives accessories
Your fault for not preparing for boss fights.

>>376038025
Shido uses Dekaja, have you even played the game fag?

>>376038443
First form. Rarely does he use it afterwards.

>>376038025
>In P5, you carefully have to reserve your SP and SP items
>in P4, you just pay a smelly fox to fully heal you
But P4 is harder guise, I swear!

>>376038573
>sojiro gives you infinite SP
>teacher gives you free evenings
>fox has you pay shitoads of money
>Lavenza and Caroline gives you free Recovery
P4 is objectivity harder and both are easier than mainline. Try again babby.

>>376038573
are you fucking retarded? in both games you can just fucking grow plants, and bam, SP out the fucking ass. vending machines are in both games. you can get SP recovery items in both fucking games just by playing dungeons, and you can get them even easier in p5 through negotiations. then you can also get sojiro's coffee and shit, and then full recovery inside a fucking dungeon at the end of a game

>smelly fox
seriously, anti-p4 fags are the biggest fucking babies.

>>376038887
and dont forget you dont even have to use negotiations.

>confuse enemy
>enemy drops soul drop
woweee wow! you defnitely have to "conserve sp" especially since most enemies are just good easy enough to confuse with skull cracker and all you have to do is keep hitting them

>>376038828
>sojiro gives you infinite SP
Apparently one item for sacrificing a night = infinite in your world
>teacher gives you free evenings
At Rank 10. And to get the best benefit you have to get both her and Sojiro maxed to combine the effect.
>fox has you pay shitoads of money
And you get shit tons of money in P4, so it's a non-issue
>Lavenza and Caroline gives you free Recovery
In the last dungeon of the game when you can't go out into the city anymore besides shops, wow so game breaking.

Keep trying harder. P4 is objectively the simplest SMT has ever been aside from DemiKids.

What the fuck is this revisionism, P4 is baby-tier

>>376027648
You didn't make a reflect physical persona and just hurp durp the fight?

>>376039272
>obviously superior sequel comes out with
>contrarians rise from the woodworks and claim previous game is better
Happens with every game on /v/

Should have fused Doot and used debilitate.

>>376027648
>fuse raphael because lmao strength confidant
>inherit rpl phys
>oracle powers me up
>charge
>sword dance
>does 850 damage
>boss powers up and hits joka
>does 500 damage to himself
easy boss tbqh senpai

>>376040068
*Mudos you*

>>376040973
desu he only tried to mudo haru and makoto and missed both times iirc
I also had trumpity just in case

>>376039134
>Apparently one item for sacrificing a night = infinite in your world
Yes you retard, you can do it until the end of the game

>At Rank 10. And to get the best benefit you have to get both her and Sojiro maxed to combine the effect.
Both of which will be maxed out in September - October because this is the easiest game to max out Slinks. Teacher gives free evenings, Sojiro gives infinite SP.

>And you get shit tons of money in P4, so it's a non-issue
Not at the beginning of the game, even on Expert mode. P5 has way easy ways to get cash than 3/4

>In the last dungeon of the game when you can't go out into the city anymore besides shops, wow so game breaking
Fox does the same thing, but you need to pay for him. Plus its the 2 last dungeons not one.

It doesn't help that the Slink abilities are broken as fuck, none of the bosses or enemies pose a threat, and Futaba is P4G Rise on steroids. The 5 bias is beyond belief.

>>376039272
No one said that. But if you think that 5 is harder than 4 you are straight up delusional.

>P5 literally lets you get infinite criticals with downshot

>harder than 4

>>376041490
>even on Expert mode. P5
Even on Merciless mode, P5*

>>376041687
>uses limited ammo
>infinite
Seems like no one in this thread actually knows what infinite means.

>>376037070
T-Thanks Walter....

>>376041798
Not him, but you can make ammo at the crafting table, and Ammo pouch skill gets you a tons of more rounds. Not infinite of course but still too many.

Tarunda
Marakukaja
Guard

>>376027753
On hard, the first four palaces are pretty hard, then you kinda sweep through the rest.

>>376032505
>To be fair, P5 is still at least harder than 4
So you're saying it's the hardest game in the series? Agreed.

IT'S NOW OR IT'S NEVER

>A RIVER IN A DRY LAND
>THE LAST ACE IN A LOST HAND

the lyrics are hype as fuck

is it true that atlus lifted the restricitons of streaming to youtube on ps4?

>>376035815
So basically sell everything that isn't bolted down?

Game is easy once you have shiki ouji

>>376043780
Up until November.

>>376044562
isnt that like the last part of the game? can we finally take screenshots and videos and stuff now before all that?

>>376045127
I don't think so. You couldn't do that even with the original restriction.

>>376045127
nope, recording and screenshots are disabled

>>376045605
why is atlus so stupid? but at least i can watch my friend play now and give her tips

Lower attack/accuracy, raise defense evasion.
This is key for many bosses on hard and above.

>>376045679
i get what they were going for (grabbing a camera to take a picture and spoil the game takes more effort than just pressing a button) but yeah, it's still pretty silly

at least you can screenshot remote play sessions on PC

>>376033321
But P4 gives your confidants the ability to take a lethal hit for you and survive with 1HP at rank one so it evens out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhKqXZyMvtE

you'll never see it SMOKINGG!

ITS NOW OR NEVER

>>376035053
I'm at the casino and there's a red mob of the bunnysuit slut type that casts fear on the part then then instant death on the party with a 100% success if they got frightened.
Fucking cost me 1 hour of progress.

>>376045801
Fixed in Golden.

>>376036812
I accidentally made the same mistake as well which was funny since I even thought to myself that since the gun deflected gun attacks, the sword would reflect physical but then 1 turn later I went full retard and hit it with a charged god hand.

>>376045801
I forgot that happened at rank fucking 1 in P4. Holy fuck, P4 was casual.

>>376046153
And yet, Golden added 10 other things to make the game easier instead.

>>376046260
Every hard and easy thing that was added in Golden was placed in 5. Also you can reduced the exp and money rates in Golden. You could also play on very hard.

>>376046608
The additional shuffle time bonuses alone make Golden more casual than 5.

>>376028303
Shido somehow got easier the more forms he went through.

>>376028163
only if you buff all three stats or buff everyone. dont go to crazy with the buffs.

>>376035101
NANOMACHINES

physical attacks are still broken. reuyji and yuske could do so much damage on end game.

>>376046749
Wrong. The Slink abilities make 5 the easiest Persona game. Having the ability to fuse beyond your level is fucking retarded, and shit like having swappable part members means there is never a situation where you're in trouble. I won't excuse shuffle from the other two games, but they aren't game breaking.

>>376036812
Shit, dude, any more of those cards?

Ryuji, Makoto, Yusuke best party

>>376047175
Yusuke doesn't get charge so he's pretty bad late game.

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>>376046749
>tfw you can easily make an Izanagi solo run with little to no trouble in P4G because you're raising its stats after every fight with card shuffle.

As someone that's played P3FES, P3P, P4, P4G and P5 anyone that says P5 was easier than 4 is insane, random encounters in P5 against the stronger grunts of each dungeon can easily fuck you over if the enemy gets a crit in.

>>376047202
>Having the ability to fuse beyond your level is fucking retarded
You must be at least level 51 to get Seth though

>>376047820
Replace Yusuke with Ann or Haru

>>376047959
>R1
>X
>X
there we go, I beat every random encounter in P5. At least Innocent Sin lets you set it on auto-battle.

Why is baton passing so perfect?

>>376048174
Oh wow QOL changes really change the difficulty of a game

>>376048142
Even with that limitation and not being able to fuse Yoshitsune until the final dungeon it still breaks the game. Getting debilitate and sword dance that early makes the boat a joke

>>376048220
Because it can lead to crazy damage if you have a decent stock of elemental items so that party members that can't hit a weakness have a way to continue the chain.

>>376048274
When you can get through every-non boss encounter in the game only needing to spend two or three turns testing every elemental affinity and then pressing the same three buttons every time you see them for the rest of the game, I would say that it makes the game easier.

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>>376027648

>>376048357
The only enemies that are any difficult in P5 don't have any weaknesses even if you aren't abusing baton pass

>>376048437
How can an angel be so based? Not fusing him is almost a crime.

>>376047959
You can go the same thing with Arsene via skill cards and sacrificial fusion. Plus lockdown gives him no weakness.

>>376048142
And? If that doesn't cut, then how about lockdown, or baton pass, or Tech attacks, or Mishima exp boosts?

>>376048465
Yeah but sometimes (but not always) they're grouped up with enemies with weaknesses so in those situations it's ideal.

>>376047827
still better than everyone else who is not Ryuji or joker.

>>376048608
Ann and Haru both do higher damage and Haru has better utility

>>376035815
Do skill cards carry over?

>>376048437
He nullifies your debilitate every turn, at least in his first form he does. Better have some sp regen.

>>376028303
>>376028352
Akechi was the actually hard one since they forced you to fight several boss waves before. I was almost completely out of sp items at that point

>>376027648
TFW debuff the hell of that shit and fucking spamming heat riser, charge, and gods hand! OP why cant you play the game properly? this game is easily millennium babies first persona! TFW kids these days will never know the difficulty of previous SMTs

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>>376048683
how are you not drowning in SP by the end of the game

there are so many regen items in the game it's broken

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Anyone else buy any of the DLC purse owners? Bought this aesthetic motherfucker, he's bretty gud.

>>376048587
Skill cards in 5 are much less of a commodity than in 4 Golden, you need to have a stock of blank cards and ask Yusuke to replicate one at a time while in P4G you can just give it to Marie and permanently buy as many copies of them as you want. Though you can also do the itemize a persona once per day to get a single copy of a skill card.

Constantly doing sacrificial fusion to raise Arsene's stats is much more costly than it was to get permanent stat boosts via card shuffle in P4G.

P4 was easier than P5.

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>>376048728
>Akechi was the actually hard one

>>376048814
>using abyssal wings
>it's Sho time
My sides

>>376048814
i bought a few but i did NOT see that. what izanagi vareation is that?

>>376049150
that's not an izanagi

>go to start Chihaya confidant
>she charges me 100,000 for fucking salt
I had more than enough but she better have a damn good reason for that shit.

>>376049150
Tsukuyomi, one of the persona from the fighting game spinoffs, belongs to Red Yu

>>376049315
She's in a cult, they scam people. She gives it back at the end, she also charges 5k yen to raise your bonds with confidants at rank 7 (bigger boost if you have a persona of the right arcana). Her abilities make it entirely possible for almost anyone to max all confidants in their first run.

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>>376049150
It's Tsukuyomi, Sho's Persona.

Remember? The guy everyone thought was actually the MC of P5?

>>376049449
Is that something related to the main story or is it purely S-link content?

>>376049661
Purely S-link content.

>>376049584
>>376049316
>>376049247
i guess i really do need to get around to all the persona 4 spinoffs dont i

>>376049584
They both have the same fluffy hair so it makes sense. It'll be kinda wierd to play as a Persona MC that actually has an established character instead of a blank slate, but since this is after P4AU, maybe he'll be a blank slate anyway as part of reinventing himself.

>>376049762
Not necessarily, it's not like they'll bring them back for another game, right?

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>>376049764
>a Persona MC that actually has an established character instead of a blank slate

>>376049878
They'll be brought back for the P5 spinoffs at least.

>>376050070
They were both blank slates in the games they were the MC in.

>>376050070
the same could be said about P3 and The Answer, they have backstory but they're more or less blank slates either way

>>376028392
Lucifer isn't even *that* good. Any person higher than level 80 suffers from really poor stat distribution and it makes them much harder to min-max.

My level 75 Seth literally does more damage than any of the "ultimate" personas because I carefully managed his stat distribution for each level, getting his Str and Agi as high as possible. It's fucking simple.

>>376050167
Persona 1 MC seemed to have a lot of personality, the group mentions it especially if you spent time wandering around the city before the actual game starts. Tatsuya already had a reputation at school when you start playing, Eikichi and his gang have that rivalry with him, and you already know everything about Maya from Innocent Sin so they don't go out of their way to highlight it.

Really hoping that P6 protag isn't another transfer student. 3 in a row is too much.

Anyone know its possible to acquire skill back on my persona? I realized that i fucked up my Yoshitsune by forgeting firm stance on him. I plan to use him on my NG+

>>376048878
Skill cards are given to you free in a DLC pack which cover all the bases for weakness, and blank cards are plenty in the treasures in Mementos or just asking for them with the item negotiation talk. Like you said, using item fusion is takes a while but you can get Heat Riser and other skills as soon as it comes out because of DLC Persona's. Marie's cards aren't cheap in 4 and Sacrificial fusion cost isn't a issue because 5 just gives money. There's also Network Fusion and Lockdown meaning your Persona can never be weak to anything.

>>376028303
>Charge
>Agneyastra

Rinse and repeat.

>>376027648
>what is rakukaja
>what is tarunda

>>376050864
I'd like to see a protagonist with a preastablished reputation that even the other characters agree with before they get to know each other, the group feels to much like they were obviously set up to be friends from the get go and felt a little artificial by how coincidental it was that they came together. I haven't actually finished the game yet so the later characters might do just that but from the point I'm up to I get hat impression.

>>376049315
Ok, continuing on for a bit.
>mumumumu
She ain't so bad.

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A RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVER IN A DRY LAND

>>376052772
stupid anime image

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>>376053184

>>376053184
>complaining about anime reaction images
>in a Persona thread
The fuck are you doing senpai?

>>376027753
Except the Shadow Madarame fight. That one was a bitch.