>honorable warrior who was willing to be humiliated for t

Sequels are about deconstructing the first, which is why I really don't like sequels for the most part.

>>375985416

Don't get me wrong though, to an extent I hate Brood War for making Kerrigan out as this aweome badass who can do nothing wrong.

>>375986003
As much as i love the zerg as a whole and Kerrigan, she was very Mary sue in brood war, the shit she pulled out on the 3 episodes was, well, was really fucking crazy.

>Arrives just in time to kill Aldaris
>Somehow Infects Raszagal without anyone noticing
>An infection powerful enough she can pretend to be ok
>Zeratul never noticed this
>She masterminded everything and got her way in the end

But to be fair, her conquest wasn't just her, she had help from literally everyone from the original game.

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>honorable judicator
>dissident Tassadar shows up and says kill them cerebrates bro, refuses to return to Aiur to stand trial, refuses to explain why
>actually humors Tassadar's advice and has cerebrate killed
>"lol I forgot to mention they can't be killed except by terrorist cultist heretics my bad bro"
>sends fleet to arrest Tassatard effectively saving his life from Kerry
>Oh hi Aldaris these are my new friends Osama bin Laden and literally who
>Instead of arresting Tassadar the executor fucking joins him
>Tassadar FINALLY returns to Aiur bringing literal heretics with him
>tries to arrest Tassadar again, in response big T starts a civil war all the while Aiur is been raped by zerg

>Gets murdered by Kerry right in front of Artanis and Zeratul in the middle of a sentence explaining why Kerry can't be trusted
>"that wasn't very nice Kerrigan I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask you to leave"

I feel bad for the guy

>>375986537
Truly a tragic hero

I also miss Edmund Duke, best jackass in sc

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>>375986804

>"Protoss commander, if you do not stand down, we will not hesitate to open fire"
>"General Duke, if you interfere, we will burn every single Terran here to the ground and destroy any ship you dare to throw at us"
>"I'm gonna have to assume that that was a hostile response"

>>375985193
I always thought that Tassadar was some weird create with funny ears in the side, a weird hairdo, and a large snout (which turned out to be his chin)

>>375986537
i just now realized he's wearing a hat.

>>375987612
Interesting, I always thought >>375986537
had a furry beard and mouth the whole time as a kid.

>>375987742
Shit I don't think I realized that either. Damn son. Amazing what you miss.

>>375986537
>dark templars did nothing wrong

>>375986003
>>375986337
I didn't think of her as being an awesome badass so much as a brutal opportunist

>>375988930
I like to compare her a lot to Azula from Avatar, i think both have the same kind of manipulative mindset which i like a lot. I need Zerg Azula fanart so fucking bad

>>375987051
Which mission?

>Evil shapeshifting mastermind literally uses the same name from his previous form spelled backwards

Bravo Metzen

>>375988347
It's almost disappointing to see how similar Protoss look with each other in SC2

>>375989054
Protoss campaign mission 5. mere seconds after "violating our airspace and endangering human lives in your reckless attack against the zerg"

>>375986537
>Finds out that Razhagal is being mind controlled by Kerrigan
>Decides to go Inquisitor on the DTs instead of confide it with the fleet when they got home
Aldaris was the biggest idiot this side of Antares

>>375986537
He shoulda told them as soon as he found out instead of waiting until they just went to war with his ass.

Hey Sergeant. Sarge! Hey!

Protoss unit, Sarge, coming through the south pass.

It looks broke.

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>Mfw I just watched the SC1 story on youtube for for 3 hours
>Mfw how amazing it is
>Mfw watching some clips of SC2 and just getting mad at everything

Its so fucking bad. They couldnt even bother to get the old voice actors except for like 2

>>375986537
Speaking of aldaris, kinda wish there was a SC1 map that made you use only Dark templar units when fighting Aldaris, seeing the dark templar use their own zealots and stalkers and voidrays would have been fun in the original SC1 artstyle

>>375989805
>SC1
>Stalkers
>Voidrays

huh?

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>>375986537

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"Vice Admiral Stukov. I am here to terminate your command"

>>375990110
Sure just shoot me because I'll just die and let my best friend get betrayed

>>375990092
can't do it.
dark patch in middle will always look like mouth to me

>>375985193
Don't they say Entaro Tassadar now?

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>>375986337
>>375986003
>>375989030
I agree she was very Mary Sue at the end getting her way with just about everything.

Even final mission

WERE GONNA GET YOU KERRIGAN WITH ALL OF OUR MIGHT TERRAN AND PROTOSS WORKING TOGETHER

Oh whoops we got rekt WELL BE BACKKKKKK

>>375990439
They said En taro Tassadar in some of the dialog in SC1.

Artanis said it for sure

>>375989940
yeah, imagine the stalkers and voidrays in the SC1 artstyle, i think it could look cool.

>>375990519
Must have been from SC1 then

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>>375990439

That's what Artanis started saying.

The intro to the last Protoss expansion was bretty cash but I'm glad the series is over.

I just need to find out what happens to Sylvanas and Jaina and then WarCraft is officially finished/dead to me.

>>375990590
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehIwmaRjTV4#t=1h53m

>>375990627
>Im glad the series is over

Id rather they never finished it than the turd they released

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>>375990110

To this day I hate how stupid that moment was, not even 40k goes that full retard, the Terran campaign was fucking 11/10 until that point

> oh no, my best friend when against my orders, its not like he made a backup plan or anything he is just second in command
>yeah sure Im gonna go with this turncoat cunt for no reason
>OH NO STUKOV WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG
>oh yeah Im kerrigan and Im gonna taunt you, its not like Im gonna win at the end no matter what lol

Then in the Zerg campaign you have to kill Fenix and Duke

Threads like this always make me feel a mix of warm nostalgia and deep dissapointment. I was so enthralled by every aspect of this game and have never been let down harder than i have by sc2. I will remain for ever salty

>>375989054

https://youtu.be/n15-cqEQ8M4?t=833

Man. Fenix was bro-tier af.

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>>375990680

Eh, it could have been worse.

I'm glad Jim got a happy ending and Human/Zerg/Back to Human/Back to Zeg/God Kerrigan too.

>>375990092
OH...
SO THAT'S WHAT THOSE PLUMP DICK SUCKING LIPS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE

>>375991010
He didnt deserve a happy ending for breaking bros before hoes.

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>Kerrigan went from creepy almost Michael Jackson looking to some black chick with bony dreadlocks and shitty bone wings
>Doesn't even revert after being "purified"
Fuck, SC2 was so retarded.

>>375991009
Proud warriors with no fear of death who help out their friends are always the best characters. Their deaths hurt the most

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Tychus did nothing wrong

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>>375991551
On that note, what happens to these two? They were such good bug pals

>that scene near the end when Abathur tells Kerrigan she's the only Terran he's ever met that surpassed the inadequacies of her species

>>375991584
He could have tried not being a huge asshole during the Odin mission

Blizzard is an abomination that should be put out of its misery.

>>375989538
>>375989374
to be fair he may have assumed they were all infested

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>>375991932

>>375990634
Th-thanks for finding the exact time code, Anon

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If you want to get mad about shitting over starcraft lore, this is the best video to watch

Ken Burns Presents: Starcraft 2: Heart of the Swarm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBO6yC5FdTM

>>375991010
>It could have been worse
Other than making the gameplay even shittier, I really can't think of how.

SC2 should've never existed, even the gameplay is inferior.

>>375991657
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
SC2 should have been about the side characters and their commander/player character.
Abathur, alarak and tychus are so much more interesting that the fucking main characters in every game.

>>375986804
>>375987051
I read an internet comment somewhere that Sgt Hammer was originally gonna be Edmund Duke but they changed their minds in development

I'm upset if that's true

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>>375985193
ill never not be angry, i cant believe they killed phoenix and aldaris too. fucking zerg "din du noffins" purge em all

>>375990975
Me too, anon. I don't know how many years it's been and I'm still butthurt.

I remember joking with a friend about the ways they could fuck up SC2, and we would laugh because back then Blizzard was one of the blessed developers got shit right. Then it was released. To my horror, half the jokes we told became reality.

>>375992241

>Phoenix.

It's Fenix, Plebasaurus Rex.

>>375989710
*puffs cigar*

... Kill it.

where did Raynor go in the end?

>>375992112
I love how the narrator's voice is pretty close to the Ancient Aliens guy.

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Brood War intro best cutscene in the series

>>375985416
They don't HAVE to be about deconstruction.
They COULD just be about seeing what happens next in a setting people love with characters they enjoy.

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So the UED is like this ultimate military power in the universe, right?

And in Brood War the whole sector gets fucked over by what's basically a small scouting party, but everyone acknowledges that the full might of Earth would wipe out every faction in the Korpolu sector simultaneously if the Earth government was ever made fully aware of all the shit going down?

>>375992568
I have to write out phoenix at my job like 7 times a day its a reflex. And honestly who gives a fuck?

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>>375992730

>"WHERE IS THE AIR SUPPORT?"
>Points up and puts on his shades.

>>375992909
Depends. My lore is spotty, do the Zerg and Protoss have similar large fleets elsewhere?

I know Aiur is fucked

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>Narud
>No one looked at the name and went "Hey, it's Duran backwards."

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>>375992964

I live in Phoenix and it's a shithole.

Fenix is a based Protoss warrior who can "Throw down with the best of them."

So based that even when his duel-wield lightsabers failed and his got wrekt by a Hydralisk he came back from the dead to continue kicking ass.

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>>375992909
>Stukov: I've served my purpose. I suppose you're going to kill me now.
>Kerrigan: No, you're free to go as you wish.
>Stukov: Huh... maybe I'll hang out with you for a while.

>Stukov: You know, sometimes I miss Earth
>Kerrigan: IF YOU EVER TRY TO GO BACK TO EARTH I'LL KILL YOU REEEEE

It wasn't even in two separate games like all the other weird inconsistencies. The two scenes were like 15 minutes apart. What the fuck was up with that?

>>375993212
I wish they would have explained what the fuck happened there.

>>375989713
To be fair, some were in fact dead.

>>375993268
Perhaps Kerrigan's just a psycho bitch? Being infested, purged, then technically infested again must do some shit to you.

>>375993036
No, not even close.

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>>375993285
>>375989713
Bringing in the original Kerrigan actress and then firing her to replace her with the Whorebot from BSG after she had already recorded half her lines was bullshit though

Did we ever hear Blizzard's reasoning for that?

>>375992280
I remember how as a kid I always wanted more of my favorite stuff, Star Wars, Starcraft, Matrix. If only I had known. Gotta be weird as a kid nowadays when everything is just awful rehash of former glory days.

>>375992909
I'd say yes, but of course it's Blizzard so it's intentionally ambiguous so they can backpedal later

It's implied that the Terrans in Koprulu are colonists from Earth, and the UED is explicitly an Expeditionary Force, so yeah it's safe to assume Earth has prime Aiur-level strength

>>375992909
Too bad the protoss demilitarized at some point.

>>375993415
Wait seriously? They brought in the SC1 Kerrigan VA then scrapped it?

>>375993271

Well there was a short cinematic that showed a generic looking Zealot about to fuck up a Hydralisk but his Duracell batteries died and it cut to black.

Then Jim see Fenix and is like "Oh shit, you're still alive?" and Fenix laughs and says they found his fucked up body and threw him in a Dragoon.

It was weak as fuck but they kinda of explained it, I guess.

>>375993514
I know about the cinematic. I want to know why his blades fucked up. That's never touched on as a thing that can happen and it never happens again.

>>375992909

Pretty much while LotV is plain crap, at least they keep that intact

>"they send only an expeditionary force right?"
>"oh they will return soon or later"

>>375993474
blizzard is notoriously bad at doing shit like this with their voice actors. they changed up lots of voices in WotLK even though the original actors had OTHER ROLES in the fucking expansion. the company has went down the shitter in one of the most sad ways

>>375993514
I think he means an explanation why the Duracells ran out of juice

I mean even at 6 years old I knew that the Zealot in the cinematic was Fenix. They pretty much beat you over the head with it.

The cinematic is even called 'The Fall of Antioch'

>>375993575

>You missed the 'Made in America' on the side of his arm-blades.

>>375993474
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZQobrQOu5I

The real Kerrigan shows up in the final 10 seconds of the SC2 trailer

and is never heard from again

And this is the only comment the actress ever made on the subject:
>Well, it just figures, doesn't it? Blizzard just gave me my Dear John phone call. Basically, it was "We can still be friends—we just don't want to see you anymore." Ha ha! Ah well...that's showbiz. Anyway, thank you for a wonderful and touching article—it's a great going away present, and I'll cherish it.

>>375993817
Jesus, NuBliz really fucked up all of their old IP.
What a shame.

>>375993970

They cut Arthas' original voice actor because they didn't want to pay him anymore money.

I hope Metzen is haunted by his poor decisions for the rest of his days.

>>375994063
don't forget kel'thuzad and sylvanas. i want to say uther got changed too even though he was voicing something else.

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>hadn't watched apocalypse now until recently
>mfw the BW intro cutscene

>>375994063
But the Kerrigan thing can't even be attributed to money, the original was a YA writer who did VA work basically as a side hobby and the replacement was an experienced television actress just coming off the heels of a hit series, there's no way she didn't get paid more

>>375994142
>don't forget kel'thuzad
I'll never stop being mad about that.
His old voice was 10/10

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>>375992112
I will always wonder why they opted for all those weird changes in tone, characterization, design, etc., and flipping almost everything about SC1 on its head.

This shit will never not bother me. Holy fuck.

>>375985416
>Sequels are about deconstructing the first
Nope.

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>>375994328

Mah nigga!

Kel'thuzad was bro-tier and his voice was dank.

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>>375985416
Wow stop posting any time

>>375994328
When did his voice change? I haven't heard him in anything besides WC3, but I'd like to know anyways.

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>>375994494
I always felt Kel and this spider-bro were the most underrated WC3 characters

They're so... nice. None of that edgelord nonsense you'd expect from undead world eating abominations

>>375994731
Wrath of the Lich King if I am not mistaken.

>>375994731
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_aIxJ48u9w

>>375992174
lol no it was gonna be warfield

>>375990092
>>375986537
>Never realized he was wearing a mask
>Didn't even know he was wearing a hat
>Thought the bottom of his mask was him just frowning REALLY hard

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>>375993024
>>375992730
>the music

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjZGt0h9Mvw
>tfw this Blizzard is never coming back

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>>375995052
He was wearing a mask the whole time?

I just figured he had massive eyebrows. Because they fucking moved when he blinked and whatnot.

>>375991657
There was recently a canon novel where Zagara is Queen of the Zerg and has been doing her best to maintain peace with the terrans and Protoss and redirect the efforts of the Swarm to introducing life to dead planets instead of overrunning living ones

Abathur gets butthurt claiming evolution is impossible without conflict, breeds a pack of tiny Hydralisks and attempts a coup

Zagara gets aid from Valerian Mengsk and a couple of Protoss carriers, wipes out Abathur's new creations and defeats him in single combat ... then forgives him and offers him a place by her side. Just like Kerrigan once did for her

>>375995613

And closure for side characters achieved.

Thanks for saving me the pain of reading it, senpai.

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>>375995613

>>375994343
Blizzard feels much more politically correct, and I think it explains most of it. They can't hurt any feelings and can't take any risks with a 'hero's' honor that could come anywhere close to making a dark, tragic hero or story like they uses to have.

Look at OW. It's a grab bag of oppressed demographics wrapped in pillows. Blizzard just got too big to have a real heart for telling a story.

>>375995613
That's dumb.

>>375995613
>abathur attemps a coup with tiny hydralisks
That sounds both hilarious and adorable

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>>375992112

>Jim
>...Jim?

Fuck, I didnt even last two minutes

>Starcraft 1
"Are you truly so blinded by your vaunted religion, that you can't see the fall ahead of you? Your Conclave believes that they are winning this war, but all they've succeeded in doing is helping the Overmind to win."

"You speak of knowledge, Judicator? You speak of experience? I have journeyed through the darkness between the most distant stars. I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities... Unto my experience, Aldaris, all that you've built here on Aiur is but a fleeting dream. A dream from which your precious Conclave shall awaken, finding themselves drowned in a greater nightmare."

>Starcraft 2
JAAAAAAAMES RAAAAYNOR, I BRING TIDINGS OF DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

>>375985193
>his people

Don't finish SC2 then. You'll be even madder.

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>>375985193
SCII was like seven years too late to be a proper sequel.

It's painful to see the writing go from superb to utter cliche shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6bVj-nTkiU

>>375996113
Why did you pick the cheesiest fucking cutscene to try and make your point?

>>375996218
Shouldn't you be posting dick pics at /b/ or something philistine.

did the HD remaster for broodwar ever release? now i feel like replaying the campaign

but what about the yellow disc with source on it? reddit?

>>375993128
This.

My jaw dropped when I read it the first time.

>>375996069
zeratul is fucking crazy was he older then adun or something? how was he not the king of all dark templar over some random

>>375991009
>mfw blizzard returned him again in LOTV
What a shameless fanwank. Fenix deserve better than this.

>>375985193
I never played SC2, or at least not the story mode due to how much the gameplay disappointed me, what's the state between the 3 teams like at the end of the story in LotV? Are they in an uneasy alliance keeping the status quo or do any of them get wiped out in universe?

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>>375997093
everyone holds hand and sings kumbaya as kerrigan becomes the gold superman of her universe

>>375997093

Protoss keep on Protossin'

Humans get a good Prince Arthas leader.

Zerg keep Zergin' but rather than invade Human/Protoss planets they infest dead planets.

War will occur again, it's just a matter of time.

>they make a new starcraft with new races and units with the old ones
>none of the old characters return
>gameplay, multiplayer, and story are the primary focus
>custom games are promoted and done well
>MLG shit is discouraged for the average player

Would you be happy?

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>>375997514

I've never been happy.

>>375997093
Pretty much >>375997371.

They unite to fight an Ancient Evil and become good friends in the process, not just setting aside their differences for convenience but apparently for good.

>>375997552
i never understood that flash as a kid, was this a meta joke on the forums or somthing do you know?

>>375997514
no, all that is awful apart from the custom games being better.

>>375997740

Meta jokes weren't really around back then.

Will Stamper has always been a based, crazy fuck.

Look up his stuff on YouTube, he's still funny and does solid voice acting 17 years later.

>>375993817
Just when I thought I couldn't get angrier with Blizzard's bullshit.
I have recently seen she was alive, and working in the same industry and wondered why she wasn't hired. From a comment about voice actors, I assumed they brought her in but she failed their audition, at least in comparison to whatshername.

Fuck.

>>375990440
She got them all duped, a fucking mastermind.
Terrans being terrans cannot fathom the communicative prowess of the Protoss, nor can they best Kerrigan's hivemind. As a single unit, not disrupted by PSI Emitters and puppet Cerebrates, the Zerg are brutal enough to take on multiple armies.

She wouldn't have stood a chance if she didn't pull the strings she did. That, and Samir DUran's meddling allowed her to be the monster she ended up being.

... then comes SC2 rearing its ugly story. At least WoL was entertaining and fun for the most part.

>>375999186

The Zerg can simply throw countless numbers at their enemies until they break.

War of attrition works surprisingly well; assuming you don't mind huge losses.

Like the Soviets.

>>375999186
>As a single unit, not disrupted by PSI Emitters and puppet Cerebrates, the Zerg are brutal enough to take on multiple armies

Uh, no. Zerglings would be killed in hand to hand combat with humans, imagine a Roman legion versus 1 zergling.. Hyrdas and anything else die to bullets and tanks. Flying units die to missles.

>>375999318
One Zergling could down fifty legionaries no problem.

>>375986003
If anything brood war painted kerrigan as stupidly incompetent
>rule korpulu sector undisputed
>UED comes in
>completely get shitstomped
>manage to win just because "kill your friend boyo" and xel naga meddling

>>375987742
>>375988654
only reason I caught it myself was he was noted in the game book and that drawling had a hat/hood which made me look closer to his sprite.

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>>375999318

>Not remembering Banelings.

They cause big damage.

For you.

>>375994786
Anub'arak makes sense because he got turned against his will. The Nerubians got fucked by those filthy surface dwelling undead and he basically said, "Well shit, guess this is my life now. Fuck."

>>375992695
Shut up cunt.

>>375999318
Isn't a zergling basically an overcharged lioness that can cut through futuristic military grade alloys, take several rounds of bullets to kill, and tunnel underground at walking speed?

And of course fully heal in a few days

>>375993817
I knew something was off with her voice in SC2, I just never bothered to find out why.
A good thing, though. I don't want it to be associated with angsty dindu SC2 Kerrigan.
>>375999318
Let me rephrase. As a single army, a single entity, which it is after Kerrigan unifies the Broods.

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>>375999568

>"Traitor King!"
>"Who me?"
>"They're referring to me, Death Knight."

I kek'd.

>>375990092
What is this? Is this how he looks on the HD remaster?

>>375996218
It's supposed to be an homage to Starship Troopers, numb nuts

I've never played Starcraft, but I really liked Warcraft 3 for its story, not much of an RTS guy. Should I play Starcraft? It seems exactly like Warcraft only in a sci-fi suit instead of a fantasy one.

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>>375999729

Go on...

>you will never fug a female protoss

>>375999738
SC2 has good single play missions, but the story is beyond horrible. Warcraft 3 has a very good story in comparison to it.

>>375999826
Don't the Protoss reproduce asexually?

>>375999769
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I8RdUCBwjE

>>375999873
Why would that stop anyone?

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>>375986537

>>375999769
woops posted the wrong one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmEiSSiiwKE

>>375990440
it was the perfect setup for a bigass war in the sequel between terran/protoss alliance, mengsk, UED, kerrigan, hybrids... toss in some oldschool stubborn protoss leftovers, a rogue cerebrate or two and it's just fun all around with alliances constantly shifting just like in SC/BW

But nope we get
>muh sarah :(
>mengsk >:(
>filler
>filler
>protoss :/
>sarah >:(
>MENGSK >:0
>sarah :)

and then HotS
>muh self esteem
>jimmy nooo :'(
>filler
>MENGSK >:(
>FILLER
>FILLER
>MEEEEENGSK >:0

There were only a handful of things good about sc2
- Tychus
- Abathur
- Alerak
-The Zerg mission where you play a parasite on a Protoss ship
- The Zerg campaign that lets you brainlessly send a tidal wave of Zerg (especially winged zerglings), that pour in like water and bury the enemy with corpses

>>375999917
Because many Protoss will know what is going on, given the unlikely scenario that you can court a female one.

Would you fuck comfortably, knowing many of these fucks are watching from afar? What would Artanis say about you?

>>376000128
Why would they care? You said yourself they reproduce asexually.

>>375994343
One thing that always stuck out to me is in the Starcraft 2 collector's edition behind the scenes DVD. Where some fucking writer says something along the lines of "The starcraft story is actually all about a boy and a girl" with the implication being raynor and kerrigan.

And I can't get over how wrong i felt that interpretation was. But I think it explains why they're all so lovey dovey in 2.

>>375986337

See but that works for a villain it builds them up as this unstoppable threat that needs to be taken seriously.

>>376000194
They wouldn't mind as much as we do, sure.
But they won't miss a chance to make snide remarks about that scene everytime they can. Terrans will come up with more nicknames than you can count, and the Protoss will nonchalantly comment about the "peculiar hip thrusting with savage moans" or "crooked phallus".

You will get shit from this. Better steel yourself for that and be better than Raynor in combat, to save face.

>>375994970
Warfield doesn't operate a tank

>>375992730
UED's cutscenes are pure kino

>>375993365
No, it's shit fucking writing.

>>376000460
>Not introducing the protoss to the concept of love

>dude Khala lmao
>everyone aboard it the spear of adun is generic as can be
How could they make the protoss so boring and uninteresting in LotV?

>>375993268
Kerrigan only said he couldnt leave at the time because they were in dominion space and something about how if he left it would let mengsk figure out where kerrigan is

>>375995440
WoW killed that dream my friend.
I always wonder what the gaming world would have look like without WoW

>>375999568

Well it was Arthas or stay with them and start worshiping old gods.

I want to get into this series. What do

>>376000964
Play Starcraft Brood War and forget that SC2 exists.

>>376000043
Why does everyone love Alerak?

I wasn't fond of him because of how much Blizzard fucked over the Tal'darim faction.

>Conservative Protoss faction
>now super fucking edge lords out of fucking nowhere.
All because of >muh amon

>>376000753
Either you find some other way to teach it that's not banging skin on skin like a convulsing beast, or you put the JSRF soundtrack on repeat until they get it.

Otherwise, I'd pay to see the banter between you and both species on a campaign map. And I mean this.

>>376001018
Because blizzard didnt fuck him up by making him generic evil guy that stabs you in the back when its convenient

He also shittalks his own team in hots and people find that endearing

>>376001018
Because he adds some freshness and contrast to the typical and repeated Protoss personality paraded in lotv. His sarcastic and snide remarks are also cute, and are enhanced with all the other Protoss personalities in the background

>Do you think us fools?
>Yes, but that's irrelevant

Plus, great voice actor

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Complain about the contrast between SC1 and SC2 all you want, pic releated is still the worst

BW Kerrigan was amazing I don't know what people here are smoking
SC2 Kerrigan is probably the worst character ever made

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>>376001018
the shortest answer: he is Starcraft's Dr.Doom.

>>376001375
Didn't Metzen turn Kerrigan into a strong and independent woman that can do no wrong just to serve as a heroine for his daughter?

>>376000043
Tosh was a fucking great character

>>376001519
No.

They did it because they decided that Starcraft was going to have a love story as it's central pillar. Weather or not that was also a thing in the first game, I have no idea because I've not looked it up.

>>375999716
no, that's a fan made model

How many people are still playing sc2?

>>376001268
>>376001265
If it was an entirely different faction I'd probably wouldn't mind but since they fucked up that faction is probably why I'm rather salty.

I've only played sc2 and i loved it and i dont know what to feel with everyone shitting on it.

>>376001654
There are still plenty of people playing the co-op mode of the game. It's pretty fun.

Dunno about competitive though.

>>375986537
Broodwar was a great game with fun characters, but well before SC2 you could tell the story was going to shit because of this garbage.

A lot like Mass Effect 2.

>>376001726
It's /v/ it doesn't matter what unless the game is the exact right kind of game to become a darling then it'll get shat on repeatedly. Plus people who think SC1 is way darker than it is.

>>376001547
I actually regret that I sided with Nova first time round.

>>376001726
>I've only played sc2
There's your answer

>>375999738
>It seems exactly like Warcraft only in a sci-fi suit instead of a fantasy one
This isn't Warcraft in space! It's much more sophisticated!

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>>376001375
Also this

>>376001726
well maybe play sc1 and get a frame of reference you total fucking moron

>>376001957
desu it would have been nice to see Jim being a depressed self hating husk more.

>>376001375
BW Kerrigan was a full flesh super villain. She was the bad guy, you were suppose to hate her, you were suppose to be on the edge of your seat every time she showed up she was "Queen Bitch of the Universe" it was built up to be a very satisfying "boss battle" if a sequel ever came.

SC2 Kerrigan was basically tragic female protagonist 178. The reverse heel turn was so anticlimactic, she was not in control of who she was-what she became-. In a solitary moment they murdered all of SC1 by making the big villain that claw her way up to being the final boss of the Zerg, be nothing more than a puppet filling her role and saving the universe.
And this isn't even touching how much they ruin Tassadar, the Overmind and Raynor.
Only characters not lobotomized were Artanis(a fresh up start that wasn't flesh out), Zertaul(mostly because he was a boring set piece for the bigger narrative in all the games) and Arcturus Mengsk (because hey a 50 something bearded white man can stay as the ultimate asshole of the universe)

I seriously struggle to come to terms the same guy that wrote Warcraft 1-3, Diablo 1 and 2 and Starcraft wrote this garbage.

>>376001807
>siding with a dominion puppet
the best part is if you do the mission while ariel is onboard she says that the spectres arent psychotic and that nova was bullshitting you

>>375992112
>the bit with the "I'm the man who's gonna kill you" speech
this video perfectly sums up my opinion of Starcraft 2's story

>>376001639
Oh there was definitely some shit going on between the Terran Sarah Kerrigan and Raynor during the first campaign. It's the whole reason why Raynor left the Dominion, because Arcturus Mengsk left Kerrigan behind at New Gettysburg to get overrun by the zerg.

It's kinda like... the most important event in the whole relationship between the 3.

>>376001802
It's not darker, perhaps a little more. It's just that the characters and their motivations are more convincing than petty, brainless revenge. Revenge abounds in both stories, but there's a proper way to go about it, not just "GRR KILLED RAYNOR I KILL YOU ALL".

>>376000376
>"The starcraft story is actually all about a boy and a girl"
wut

Maybe in the sense that Raynor literally swore to kill Kerrigan.

Christ, did everybody on their team completely forget about that? It really seems like it was utterly ignored by the people who made SC2.

>>376001807
>this nigga didn't side with Tosh from the get-go

You're fucking Jim Raynor! You're gonna believe some muppet from the Dominion? 1-800-ComeOnNow

>>376002159
Blizzard has completely forgotten mostly everything about their older games. Hell, in the Diablo 3 anniversary video they even say how they had to go to wikis to remember what happened in D1.

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>>376001519
for #2? Yes.
He also stated he wants skimpy female armor and shit tone down because he struggled explaining to her daughter what it's in games.
>"We've heard our female employees," he said. "And my daughter tools me out about it. She saw a World of Warcraft cinematic of the Dragon Aspects, and my daughter was like, 'Why are they all in swimsuits?' And I was like, 'I don't know. I don't know anymore.'" - Chris Metzen

This is the same man that had no shame writing rape fiction in the 90s.

>>376002219
That takes 'the fans know more than the author' to a whole other level

That's fucking shameful

>>375992174
Eddy died in BW anyways.

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>>376001018
>Why does everyone love Alerak?
Because Artanis.

Alarak was a pleasant breath of fresh after only listening to Artanis' near-constant flowery preachings throughout the missions and cutscenes.

He's almost like a proverbial middle finger to Artanis, along with providing some rude humor.

>>376002302
the flaw was the time they let slip by not using the IP
That's what doomed Starcraft 2 at launch, 12 years had passed. do you have any idea how much people can change and forget in that amount of time?

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>>376002256
muh sjw shit aside, the bikini armor shit is pretty fucking stupid

i remember seeing the alexstraza human model for the first time and I was like... all right?

especially when she's standing next to korialstrasz and he has a full fucking robe on.

>>375990998
Thank god Duke died before he could be ruined by SC2's shit.

>>376002454
It still comes off as highly unprofessional. They could've looked into what made the setting what it is, instead of just running with their own ideas alone.

>>376002497
She's the dragon aspect of life. She can dress however the hell she wants to.

>>376002524
Didn't save Stukov.
He was alright-ish in 2, though. They kinda butchered his appearance and made him generic Russian commisar #2146.

>>376002454
i mean sure of course. but if anything that even speaks better to their incompetence

they were setting up for sc2 ever since the end of brood war but World of Warcraft came along and made them millions of dollars and they promptly ran out of fucks to give

>>375995613
>Abathur gets butthurt claiming evolution is impossible without conflict
But he's not wrong, there's no reason to evolve if there's no hurdle to overcome.
Peace mean good trait are as good as bad trait.
Conflict higlight both good and bad trait.

>>376002256
Having a daughter changed him

>>376002571
I know, I know. Doesn't make it any less fucking stupid though.

>>376002628
Everybody on the original team mellowed out and moved away from their hardcore heavy metal edgelord days. That's what ruined Blizzard. Time.

>Raynor has a loaded gun to Kerrigan's head at one point during SC2
>he doesn't shoot her
I'M STILL MAD

>>376002756
because zeratul

>>376002598
I still can't believe that shit. It was softened by the fucking NARUD shit from the first chapter. I want to kick whoever wrote it in the head.

>>376002756
muh TIDINGS OF DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM, JAMES RAYNOR

>>376002497
>dont talk to me or my husbands daughter ever again

>>375995613
From a straight biological point of view Abathur was right
Evolution is a conflict, with stagnation and nothing happening there is no evolution

>>376002756
I'm okay with Raynor never actually killing Kerrigan due to her being necessary to stand up against Ancient Evil #1952.

What really pisses me off is that Raynor is lovey dovey about her and the only one who really WANTS to kill her is out-of-nowhere Tychus.

>>375985193
It's a shame Blizzard never got around to finishing that extra race for SC2.

>>376002892
yeah on a natural selection level but abathur is sequencing genetic code and manipulating it to skip the whole process, no reason he cant do that on his own free time

>>376002497

Alextraza literally got mind controlled and raped for eggs shes a broken whore.

Also i honestly would prefer the dragon aspects human forms just be scaled human like bodies with no clothes.

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>Strongest Cerebrate ever concieved
>Single handedly held its ground against 3 (three) enemy fleets with limited resources >>375990440
>Was loyal to the end
>Killed off for no fucking reason off-screen by Kerrigan

Dumbest shit ever.

>>376002628
it ruins most people's creative output

that and quitting the drugs

>>375992730
>first thing you see is a guy being disemboweled and then burned alive
SC1 cinematics did not fuck around

>>376003258
exploding Metzen ever quit them.

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>>376003140
>Zasz is dead.
>mfw

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>>376002256
So that's the reason why various old skimpy armor sets have been censored.
Little shits.

>>376002047

Its simple man they got older. They started to lose interest in their edgy metal interest they all had and used as inspiration for their games and god chilled out. Without the edge they had nowhere to go and ended up going with very generic boring stories that start to repeat quite a bit.

>>376001519

Thankfully Metzen is gone for good. He was invited to Blizzcon and the day of it literally said i can't im having anxiety attacks at the thought of going.

I would really like a book detailing the full internal history of Blizzard over the last 20 years and how things have changed. The wait for SC2 and Diablo 3 has to be because they simply didn't know what to do anymore with internal arguing and debate over what directions to take.

>>376003140

To be FAIR though, Kerrigan had control of the main Zerg forces. Zasz only had control of a small rebellion force. Also, Kerrigan is 2special4u and had powers and whatever.

>>376003409
>>376003473
It's not Zasz he's talking about.
It's you, the player.

Speaking of Metzen, did you know that Leah in Diablo 3 was supposed to be just a quest giver in the first act? When Metzen saw her, he was immediately stricken with the idea of making her vital to the story and turned her into his corruption fetish waifu in the end.

>>376003518

Then the same would still apply. Except I don't remember Kerrigan ever killed you, I thought control and loyalty of the cerebrates just switched to her after the Overmind died.

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>>376003539
What is it with Metzen and corruption?

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>Mengsk, a man who controls an entire star system is foiled by a TV reporter who has an old audio tape.
>Duran decides to hide himself by inverting his skin colour and his fucking name.
>JAMES RAYNOR I BRING TIDINGS OF DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
>The Overmind was a goodboy who did nothin' wrong.
>Kerrigan is the only person in the entire galaxy who can stop the bad guy because it's the only way to redeem her and not have Jimmy shoot her in the fucking head.
>They bring back Fenix, then reveal it was just a copy. Replace the Dragoon with the most retarded Protoss design ever.
>Xel'Naga are just dark elves who are meanies because, because.
>Mengsk's ultimate plan was using a joybuzzer on Kerrigan while he smugly monologues until Jimmy shoots him.
>Kerrigan flies away at the ending, leaving with your hopes and dreams of a good game. Isn't even so much as reprimanded for betraying literally everyone.

>>376003595
In a mission briefing she talks about how she's keeping you alive for almost sentimental reasons as you were her guardian during her incubation.
She also talks about how, now that the overmind is dead, you're answering to her.
While other cerebrates went more or less rogue.

Youdon't remember kerrigan killing you because it never happened in the game - but is just a small note in the starcraft wiki to explain the lack of "you" in Starcraft 2.

>>375992964
>I love Fenix and I hate that they killed him
>But I can't be fucked to spell his name right

>>376003595
episode 2 cerebrate is killed by Tassadar in a book I think
episode 6 cerebrate probably just died from its battery running flat shortly after the end of brood war because cerebrates can't survive for very long without an overmind

without any cerebrates to do the commanding for her she ended up been btfo by Raynor at every turn in wings of liberty

>>376003665
Come on dood, first 50 corruption stories were good.

>>376003865
You're right. I especially loved the one where the hero gets corrupted.

>>375991259
You mean the situation with Tychus? Come on, he was under Mengsk's control on a killswitch.

>>376001018
He's a literal dickhead.

>>376003665
its his fetish, if i ever designed a game all the girls would have fantastic asses

Starcraft 1 was improvised by a rag tag team of Terran cowboys.

Starcraft 2 was planned by corporate drones.

>>376003795
What a strange thing to get upset about, you had to figure out the captca for this post.

>the Zerg player character gets offpaneled by Kerrigan
>the Protoss player characters were seemingly Artanis and Selendis

So what happened with the Terran PC? Anything?

>>376004009
I fucking hated that killswitch little storyline. They eventually found out about it and could've done so many things to help Tychus out of it, but just ignored it because "I OWE HIM ONE MATT". Fucking call on your protoss buddies and all their space magic technology to warp him out of it, have Swann come up with something to jam Mengsk's signal or whatever. But nah, let's just completely ignore it.

>>376004009
I thought it was Narud's control.

>>376003710
>Duran decides to hide himself by inverting his skin colour and his fucking name.
kek harder than i should

>>376004125
In the original Starcraft? It was Matt Horner. In Brood War just some UED commander.

>>376004125
he magistrate fucked off someplace never to be seen again. the UED commander was killed

>>376004206
What? He was UED?

Where?

>>376004206
it was not mat, it easily could have been but its not

>>376004157
No way fag.
https://youtu.be/LOjDr6Xgk7s?t=47s
Bet my left nut it's Mengsk. Besides, there's no reason Narud would fish for Tychus at all.

>>376004206
Why not DuGalle? I don't remember him being a usable character in the BW campaign.

>>376003140
I am so angry right now you don't even know.

I hated everything about everything we've talked about in this thread but this fact is entirely new to me.

Given I didn't play SC2 because I was so fucking angry at where they took the plot, where does it say Kerrigan kills Brood War Cerebrate. God why the fuck would she do that?

>Single handedly held its ground against 3 (three) enemy fleets with limited resources
FUCK EVERYTHING

God I tried so hard to beat that mission. And it was fucking sweet when I did. Fuck Blizzard.

>>376003447
>Metzen gone

Yea, it's a good sign.

He is responsible for so many garbage decisions on the story-telling side of Blizzard.

>Thrall post WC3 becomes Green Jesus
>Horde lore becomes focused on Orcs and muh warchief
>Lore becomes stuck in the most boring aspect of Warcraft (orcs vs. humans) for every expansion pack pass WotLK.
>The status quo does not change and Metzen writes completely retarded reversals rather than not even hint at the quo breaking (Slyvanas goes full genocide, but is now suddenly warchief despite people hating Baby-Grom).
>Metzen unintentionally writes the orcs to be so bad that he proves Daelin right.
>Metzen doesn't realize this is a golden opportunity to explore Jaina's character, so he just makes her go crazy and call it that.
>He does this despite trying to make Kerrigan this deep and independent woman.

>He ruins the 40k inspired grimness of SC with a really, really badly written love story (like life-time boring dialogue)
>He ruins the extremely important aspect of Raynor swearing on his soul to see Kerrigan killed for all she's done
>He takes the interesting idea that Raynor feels guilty for what happened to Kerrigan and cocks it up by being too lovey-dovey.
>SC becomes another generic ass "Power of friendship conquers all" and "an ancient evil awakens".
>Just like WC all the factions remain in the same space, guaranteeing that Blizzard can return to a completely fuck up the message of their own ending (just like WC, thanks Metzen).

Just wow. Looking at the end of his career, I think Metzen made the best damn decision to just stop.

Maybe someone good might actually step up...

>>376004329
>hero walks off into the sunset with his woman
Fuck, I forgot how bad this ending was.

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>>376004131
Yeah, that was disappointed. It was discovered pretty early and literally nothing was done about it. It wasn't even brought up with Tychus himself, like calling him out on the situation and asking him what the hell had happened.

But then again, Tychus' entire role was unnecessary if the writers had remembered that Raynor wanted to kill Kerrigan himself, after the events back in BW.

>>376004406
because he talks directly to you in the pre mission briefings. they all do it wouldnt make sense

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>>376004450
Why would the guns made for enormous awkward armored fingers (which aren't even connected directly to your own hand if I remember right), have trigger guards? So dumb.

>>375995613
>then forgives him and offers him a place by her side. Just like Kerrigan once did for her
Wait, the novel is post SC2 timeline? Huh

>>376004131
Too suspicious - it would've tipped off Mengsk in a second. Only opportunity would've been in the heat of battle, but that's if little precious Nova wasn't tapping on Raynor's COMMs. Remember, Nova route is the canon one.
Swann would've let Tychus die. You don't just forget an ass beating within an armor vs. unarmored. Or just do a shit job and that's it.

>>375993458
>implied
The manual outright states that the UED sent the Terrans. They constructed big ass colony ships, loaded them with dangerous convicts and psions, then blasted them into space

>>376004427
>Maybe someone good might actually step up...

No, big companys dont take chances ever.

>>376004446
Not to mention that complete flip in mood.

>Raynor just killed an old-time friend himself
>followed soothing music and a totally feel-good atmosphere

>>376004206
The SC1 Magistrate fucked off and no one save possibly Jim knows where he went. They literally could bring him back at any time with a nice army at his back.

But they won't because nuBlizz.

I believe the UED Captain was said to have died with the fleet... but since no corpse was ever recovered, he could easily have made it out and be in charge of some UED Remnants ala Spartan Company or some shit.

Protoss commanders got retconned which was bullshit, and the Zerg cerebrate got aced, so only the Terrans have potential supercommanders out there unaccounted for.

>>376004427
The damage has been done. Unless they do some brave fucking move and roll it back for all subsequent games.

>>375985416
Legacy of kain would like to have a word with you

>>376004496
True

>>376004446
Don't remind me. I just went to the precise scene. I can't be arsed to see that shitshow again.

>>376004559
Hold the phone, Nova's route is canon? I thought Tosh route was canon, you're telling me all the Spectres are dead now?

>>375993128
Nobody really knows Duran among Terrans anyway, aside from Stukov and that french dude. He claims he was working with Terran Confederacy before UED happened, but it's pretty clear that he's a lying cunt. And UED has been using him as an advisor/blackop guy.

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>>375990092

>>376004523
>why would guns have trigger guards.

Even when it's impractical, it has benefits. Besides, the infantry armor from SC is already impractical

>>376004572
It's not even about taking chances, but to get a writer who doesn't write fuckacularly bad dialogue and plots.

Like WoL completely forgot Raynor's last speech to Kerrigan. Metzen made it a love quest to free the corrupted love interest. The implications there are already terrible (trying to get with someone who is terrible for you). But then Metzen cocks it all up by ruining any of the interesting aspects of the story.

WoL could've had the same ending if the story was about the internal conflict in Raynor to kill Kerrigan or try to save, culminating in the end where its him with a gun and a still clearly infested but unconscious Kerrigan.

But instead they add Tychus for some fucking reason, do nothing with him, and make Raynor a blank slate that has nothing but non-conflicts.

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>>376004427
It won't matter. Blizzard was obviously still happy with the mediocre, bland way he was directing stories and will probably keep up with an equally benign nobody. The gritty days of Starcraft and Diablo I and II are long fucking gone and will never ever come back.

Of course I'm not a fortune teller, just a dumbass on /v/. I hope with all my heart that you're right and someone capable of writing intelligently will step up.

>Every fucking game of Co-op is a Fenix partner

>>376004559
>Nova route is the canon one
Hang on a second.

I played HotS without a WoL save or anything. And when Raynor was confronted by Nova, she bitched about not taking her side earlier.
Which was a relief, because I didn't do that when I played through WoL on another comp.

>>376004704
Oh shit, no, no, you're right. SOmehow I thought I read it was Nova's route the canon one. Sorry.

Still, any move indicating Raynor fixing Tychus's deathtrap would've ended in his untimely death anyways.

>>376004704
Tosh is alive, in one of the zerg campaign missions Matt wants to use Tosh to break into the prison ship.

>>376004427
Metzen killed off Kael'thas, but Kerrigan and Sylvana gets redemption story.
I want to quote Chris-Chan:
>Well life is bettre now; That evil homo is gone

>>376004796
>Blizzardrunsoutofpsienergy.jpg

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>>376004409
Well you've made me look it up now, since I initially only heard it here.
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Cerebrate_(Episode_II)
On this site, it seems more or less uninformed, so I won't take them too serious - they claim (you) were killed on char along with the overmind, which is utter bullshit since in broodwar Kerrigan specifically tells you she's grateful of your protection while in incubation.
In pic related the link is dead, leads to 404 - so maybe I'll have to look through various metzen interviews.

>>376002159
>Maybe in the sense that Raynor literally swore to kill Kerrigan.
And then he drowned himself in liquor, misery and self-hating for a few years, all that time being obsessed with her.

>>376005102
Kerrigan is the most inconsistent character in the universe, it doesn't matter what she says she flip-flops every time once a story opportunity drops. She's an absolute psychopath.

>>376004828
I still can't justify buying the co-op commanders. I shilled out for the Nova campaign but I can't bring myself for the commanders.

>>376005102
Here.
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Cerebrate_(Episode_VI)
>It died during the interbellum with the remainder of the cerebrates. Kerrigan no longer required their services[12] and they were exterminated.
But I'm still not sure if we're talking about the same cerebrate, maybe I'm remembering it wrong?
She specifically says she's grateful for your protection - yet no mention of it here.
The plot thickens.

>>376002159
>Raynor literally swore to kill Kerrigan
Raynor always had a boner for Kerrigan, I don't understand why people put so much emphasis on his adventures with Fenix. She was even more of a dick in BW, but she let him live multiple times, so maybe it's natural for him to give it back as the opportunity arrives.

>>376005202
That should've nurtured his hate, not make it wane into lovey-dovey-ness.

It would be so easy to blame her for his depression, his alcoholism, and fucking EVERYTHING.

>>376005284

Alarak and Nova are worth it.
Stukov is worth it if you want to do literally nothing but infested marines waves.
Fenix is a meme.

>>376004930
Probably because they're female characters. Metzen has to give them an out despite the body count associated with both.

I think what I disliked about Starcraft 2 so much, is that the atmosphere was just gone, the Terrans went from a team being a bunch of rednecks in space, to being watered down so much they became the bland "human team" in Starcraft 2. Everything just looked so bright and cartoony in Starcraft 2, it's just offputting, I don't exactly want an edgemeisters grimdark setting, but I felt like Starcraft 1 had a lot of a more balanced colour palette and didn't look so cartoony. Also, the game really messed up with the units, why do they sound so bad? Where are the goliaths? Why do the siege tanks sound like wind-up toys?

It's a shame because they are like 8/10ths of the way there, but thay 2/10 was just so poorly mishandled.

>>376005202
As someone who turned to alcohol after dealing with a betrayal.

No it doesn't make you change for the better. You get more vindictive. Alcohol doesn't make you forget, it just makes it easier to hate.

>>376005354
>maybe it's natural for him to give it back as the opportunity arrives

>woman responsible for the deaths of thousands lets you live once or twice
>"she spared me so it's only fair that I want her to live too"

Raynor had a boner for Kerrigan back when she was human.
But then she became a monster in every sense of the word, and he quite logically stopped liking her.

>>376005579

Do I sense an interesting story behind this post?
At least one that doesn't involved you or your betrayer being CORRUPTED?

>>376005102
>>376005314
Maybe I remembered wrong?
>Starcraft Zerg Campaign
https://youtu.be/N1nrzKlLaWI?t=428

>Starcraft Broodwar Zerg Campaign
https://youtu.be/mCd3dKIY3TQ?t=16

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>>376005456
>Where are the goliaths?

They are fat balding idiots. SC2 ruined them. I'm almost certain the new Goliath portrait must be based on some shitty programmer or streamer, nobody would make such an ugly dumbshit a unit portrait for a badass unit like the Goliath.

>>376004930

I love that Kaelthas didn't get a redemption. I would like more story on how he goes from Illidan is a fool who is unfocused, dangerous and only has short term fixes to The legion is now my bros and im kinda finding a way to fix my peoples problems but not really. Kaelthas letting the legion touch the fucking Sunwell is where it gets dumb he should know hes being fucked with by that point.

>>376004427

What sucks about Metzen is he occasionally does have good ideas. Garrosh was a good idea his whole story if interesting and in Cataclysm he is a good character hes being aggressive, taking better lands he thinks the Horde deserve and making sure his forces and cities are ready should alliance or any other threat arise. But he has a limit to what he will do telling Sylvanas never to use plague as a weapon. But then he just jumps to NUKE THERAMORE CAPTURE THEIR CIVILIANS THAT WERE SENT AWAY BY BOAT KEEP THEM IN ORGRIMAR TO TORTURE.

>>376005102
>>376005314
http://www.sclegacy.com/index.php/21-feature/blizzcon-2007

>Q: What about the characters that you played as in the original and Broodwar (the Cerebrate, Executor, and Magistrate) are they dead, replaced?

>A: “Dead. Gone.” In the new Terran campaign you’ll be taking on the roll Jim Raynor, you’ll be controlling his conversations with the characters etc, but at the same time some characters will refer to you as Commander, “so we’re really merging the two ideas…” Metzen feels that while the approach taken in StarCraft was cool, when you took five steps back it didn’t make sense trying to work the characters into the story. There were actually some early drafts of SCII that followed the former games’ approach but it just came off too clunky and it was too difficult to try and change the story to accommodate the new characters you’d be playing as.

Best Zerg bro (and other loyal guys) is dead. Killed offscreen because a loyal subservient giant slug that can only be killed by dark energy is too "difficult" to write plot for.

>>376005424
>That should've nurtured his hate, not make it wane into lovey-dovey-ness.
>It would be so easy to blame her for his depression, his alcoholism, and fucking EVERYTHING.
Raynor is kind of man who blames himself. And maybe he it nurtured his hate for some time, and also in contrast his feelings for old, uncorrupted Sarah grew even more. So coming to conclusion that to make things right like in good old times he should somehow uncorrupt Kerri is quite logical.

>>376005735
Christ.

>>376005671
Best friend of twenty years and I started a business. Don't do that with friends.

Having a boner doesn't change things, but I still hate my first exe even more for sleeping with him and convincing him to drive that company off the road.

It's been like ten years now and it still gets me riled up. The alcohol is gone though.

So, Raynor to me is the most unbelievable character ever. His not-girlfriend betrays him and murders millions of people something like five times, Raynor witnesses this, and Raynor still wants to forgive her and get his dick wet.

If it wasn't for the fact that an ancient evil awoke, Tychus should've shot Raynor in the back to save the universe.

>>376005456
>>376005735
I actually HATED goliaths in sc1, i mean at this point in time i was watching the OC gundom anime on tv and had played mec warrior so they just seemed like gimped trash in comparison. Also they didn't belong in the gritty tec style the terrans had, walkers are complex as fuck and even my 12 year old self knew that

>>376005735
>they still have the mechanical voice
That voice was cool, but now it's just off-putting as hell.

>>376005821
i remember this, still don't understand how this stopped mat from being the magistrate

>>376005936
I just don't think we can be friends, goliaths are one of my favourite SC1 units.

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>>376005735
Yup, they're based on the TERRIBLE TERRIBLE DAMAGE meme guy.

>>376006071
mine were CARRIER HAS ARRIVED

>>376005674
>https://youtu.be/mCd3dKIY3TQ?t=16
The "intro text" mentions the overmind is enslaved, but not dead.
It's not too far fetched to assume it is indeed the same cerebrate from Starcraft still.
Atleast that's what I'm going with.

>>376005821
>All the tactical brilliance on display in the campaign of SC1 is because of the unnamed players
>Let's just make the main characters say "Time to kick this revolution into overdrive" and that will solve the plothole of how they know their dick from their gauss rifle.

>>376005895

Damn. I hope things have worked out better for you since then my man.

Closest I got to that is pretty petty in comparison. My old best friend just ghosted on me in college, and I later found out he tried to tell a bunch of wicked nasty rumors about me despite never being man enough to say anything to my face.

It's all good now though.
He ended up dropping out in his final year, getting kicked out of his apartment for being a lazy pothead, before declaring himself to be "coming out" and literally sucking strangers' dicks in public bathrooms.
Last I heard he was selling insurance on the phone for rent money and his new best friend after me fucked off for a job in London leaving him behind. Not gonna lie, I'm well pleased about it all.

>>376006069
BECAUSE THEY'RE RETARDED

Here's something about being a businessman. You do your best to downplay what existed before so you can sell what is available now. If you don't have an answer for questions about facts you've simply forgotten, it's just best to just brush it aside and claim the new stuff is better. It's almost like being a politician; take focus away from where you fucked up and pivot to what you're strong at, in this case, tell the people about how awesome Jim Raynor is going to be.

A disappointing bit about all this is that they had a quick answer, which means they had thought about the answer earlier, which then means they made a horribly shit decision and didn't realize it. Even worse is that nobody in that room demanded an explanation. But then again, nobody in that room knew where they were taking the plot at that time.

>>376005860
All those potential details are left completely out, though. Nobody can tell that's actually what he went through. Or if he went through anything at all.

As far as anybody can tell, it's just shitty writing being shitty.

I'm just going to subscribe to the theory that Jim was drunk in the bar the whole time and the ending is just him waking up, hallucinating Kerrigan was there, and dying of alcohol poisoning.

It's... just easier. It hurts less that way.

>>376006180
>my favorite unit is the carrier! xD
Any time I hear someone pick a favorite unit besides the Terran Marine or Protoss Zealot (Corsairs and Siege Tank Bro are fine too) you belong with the weebs in the trash.

>>376006703
It's the only scenario that makes sense.

I was confused as fuck when Kerrigan suddenly magically appeared in the bar in front of Raynor. Looking human, no less.

There's no fucking way that wasn't a hallucination of some kind.

>>376006705
No love for devourers?

>>376006705
>Not picking Lurker

>>376006069
because they're honest-to-God retards. It could have easily been written, it makes perfect sense. But no. Matt Horner is explicitly NOT the Colonial Magistrate, for some fucking mysterious reason.

Artanis is apparently the Executor... but Matt is not the Commander. It's pretty fucking stupid.

THE PROPHECY RAYNOR

>>376006794
Y'know what, Devourers are pretty friggen cool too. Defilers are acceptable too now that I think about it.
>>376006801
Come on man. You should know better. At least say Hydralisk.

>>376006705
Fuck you, I love NotCaptainGloval and the Battlecruiser.

>>376002892
No that's pretty much dead wrong. Natural evolution is the living proof. Your environment shapes you. You don't have to hunt or be hunted to evolve, you just need to adapt to where you are.

Look at the snow mission in Heart of the swarm. He's pretty butt blasted about having to include anti-freezing genes into the zerg but it helps tremendously once it's in.

Abathur is rather narrow minded and only looks for what's an instant upgrade.

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>>375985416
>It's another Reddit deconstruction meme

>>376006830
I always hoped it was because they were going to plot twist it up and have the ColMag come back at some point in an expansion or something.

What a naive fool I was. Anyway, it's better this way. He's out there retired somewhere, staying far away from the shitfest his home has become.

>>376004559
I know you messed up but
>nova route
>cannon

Not in a million fucking years. They wrote some really fucking stupid shit but nova was so blindly loyal there's no way she's train ghosts for raynor that would end up being used against her boss.

>>376005895
What would you do if you knew if that ex-friend got in some serious trouble, and you could help him?

>>376006793
It's pretty much perfect. He remembers her as she was when he loved her. Then dies.

All the nonsense you just played through? That was just booze-inspired fantasy. Raynor wouldn't kill his bro Tychus, he would have totally shot Kerrigan when he finds her, Infested Kerrigan can't fucking fly, Mengsk's family was long dead, and Artanis would never try to retake Aiur without the aid of the Dark Templar.

Seriously, why the fuck would Kerrigan show up in her old disgusting Ghost rig? Show up in a dress or something goddamn.

>>376005895

My Canadian landlord/room mate opened a bar with his father down in Cabo San Lucas (Big tourist town/city); his father was running it and he was still up in Canada.

Turns out his father started embezzling money and that caused the bar to go under.

Fucking brutal.