this class is too complicated for me. I always mess up the ninjutsu

Paladin

>>375945562
This, by a county mile.

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What fresh hell is this and do I really want to go any further with this questline

>>375945472

Healer: WHM
Tank: PLD
(ranged) DPS: BRD
(melee) DPS: DRG

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>tfw roulette party is all based lalafell

>>375946314

Hildebrand is one of the best things about this stupid game. And yes you'll want to continue it, you can't unlock certain trials without it.

>>375945562
>>375946009
Wrong.

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>thinking any class in XIV is hard

>>375945472
>Any class in FF14
>Hard to play
You might be legitimately low IQ retarded anon.

>>375949815
>>375945562
Butthurt Paladin player. Paladin is by far the easiest faceroll job in the game.

>>375950426
That goes to summoner.

>>375950426
>Butthurt Paladin player.
I play everything. You're wrong.

Nothing in FFXIV is hard to play. Though I feel like there are too many off-the-GCD abilities on the melee classes. Casters are more comfy since you have a few seconds here and there to rest your fingers.

>>375951041
Yeah I feel this is right, of the melee/tak classes, PLD is the easiest but casters have BLM and BRD which seem just as easy if not easier thanks to their downtime and easy flowchart.

>>375952904
>PLD is the easiest
No. If any tank is the easiest it's WAR.

>>375953591
t. assravaged PLD player

Just accept your class is both the easiest to play and the worst tank.

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>>375953591
WAR at least has to manage TP, stacks, and debuff timers.
A peak-performance PLD is just using skills as they come off cooldown and cycling through combos.

>>375954274
>your class
Stop projecting you idiot. I play everything.

>>375954274
PLD has to manage TP too, it just doesn't have a babby easy ability like Equilibrium to help with it.
>A peak-performance PLD is just using skills as they come off cooldown and cycling through combos.
Literally just described WAR. There is no "managing stacks" on WAR. You pretty much always spend them as soon as you get them unless you're looking to mitigate a tank buster with Inner Beast but that's no different than popping a tank cooldown, and Sheltron requires more precision to mitigate tank busters with than Inner Beast does.

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>>375954493
>Sheltron is shit so PLD is hard
Until you fags learn to block magic, get used to being third-rate.

>>375945472
>DPS
Black Mage

>Tank
Paladin

>Healer
Scholar

>>375954984
You faggot WARs can't block magic either. Good thing I play DRK for PvE and PLD for PvP. :^) Truly the patrician choice. :^) WAR is babbymode in both PvE and PvP. :^)

>>375955815
I can't see someone who is incapable of doing ninjutsu signs being able to maintain enochian in any fight worth it's time.

Also, I don't think any dps class is easier than nin, if he can't play that he should just quit.

t. drg main

>>375955815
In dungeons this is somewhat accurate. In endgame raid scenarios though, SCH and BLM are some of the hardest jobs in their roles.

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>>375956240
>Resorts to emojis because he's so ass ravaged
loving every laugh.

>>375956641
>resorts to reaction images because he's so ass blasted
loving
every
laugh

>>375956641
>>375957143
I don't even know what you guys are discussing but you two are retarded as fuck.

>>375955815
>DPS
SMN

>Tank
WAR

>Healer
SCH

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>XIV class
>hard

>>375957305
>any mmo class
>hard
That was the correct thing to say, you fucked up. Be better next time.

>>375955815

>DPS
>Black Mage

Before HW yes, it went from the easiest to one of the hardest in 3.0

>>375957390
Okay, but this thread is about XIV.

>>375956386
>SCH is hard ever

lol no

>>375957535
Compared to cure-spamming and luck based card drawing, yes.

>>375957517
Don't pretend to be stupid, the way that post is built implies xiv in specific, as opposed to other stuff. You know that though, you are just acting like a retard.

>>375957745
No.

>>375957945
Having a pet to manage in terms of position as well as skills makes it objectively more complicated than WHM and AST in every way. There are more skills you need hotbar'd and more cooldowns to keep track of.

But I don't know why I'd explain this to a WHM cuck whose SCH experience is limited to following the tank with Eos out on auto. Do some real content as SCH and come back.

>>375958257
>Having a pet to manage in terms of position as well as skills makes it objectively more complicated than WHM and AST in every way. There are more skills you need hotbar'd and more cooldowns to keep track of.
None of this is hard.

Our SCH and I switch sometimes for the fuck of it when farming. SCH is like healing with training wheels. It's great.

>>375958406
My point is that its harder than WHM and AST. Not that it's hard.

>>375958564
And my point is you're wrong.

>>375958406
>SCH is like healing-

youre playing scholar wrong.

>>375958621
You've made no point. What makes WHM and AST harder than SCH?

>>375945472
Is the game good again? I got bored at level 42 or something like that and cancelled the subscription I was using a dragoon I think it was called

>>375958629
anon said "in their role"

>>375958713
you said SCH is hard in their role. and I said it isn't hard at all to the point
where i can just switch to it on a whim doing endgame content from another healer class and be just as effective. point made.

watching cooldowns and having situational awareness isn't anything special to SCH it's part of the entire healer role so the fact that you brought up the fact that you have to watch a fucking cooldown as making it "hard" is a fucking joke

>>375958823
>stopped an 8th of the way into the game

>>375958823

The game doesn't get good until you're able to do level 50+ content. I also think DRG is boring to play but that's just my opinion. They made leveling up faster so the only thing that will hold you back really is MSQ, which you can skip through as fast as you want 99% of the time.

If you want to resub for a month now's the time- there's a lull in new content while waiting for SB so there are plenty of people helping returners and newbies out with old content.

>>375959028
oh... okay yea. if you dont dps at all SCH is really easy indeed

>>375959352
this is including DPS.

or are you going to now argue that putting dots up is """""hard"""""?

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>>375959028
Holy fuck you are braindead. You do understand something can be more difficult than something else without either thing being that difficult, right?
Get the short bus to brake a little harder tomorrow morning to knock your brain back into alignment.

>>375956258
Enochian literally maintains itself, i say BLM is easy because i play the class and there is nothing about it that mystifies me or makes me ponder that i could possibly do it more efficiently

>Fire 4 x 3
>Fire 1
>repeat until enochian is >10 seconds
>blizzard 3 into Umbral Ice and refresh thunder if necessary
>Blizz 4 and then swap back into Astral Fire, go back to step one

The difficulty that comes with the class is that you have to stand still

>>375957143
Why would I be ass blasted? I play DRK.

>>375959727
>You do understand something can be more difficult than something else without either thing being that difficult, right?
Yeah but that's not what i'm arguing.

you said SCH is hard then tried to move the goalpost by saying "i-i mean h-harder than WHM and AST" after I said, no, it isn't. and sorry faggot, but i'm not biting.

if SCH is the hardest class healing class for you to play, you're the one who belongs on the short bus.

it's not harder than WHM
it's not hard.
period.

>>375959954
Its the hardest job in its role. There isn't even an argument here. More skills to keep track of and the positioning of a stupid NPC is more complicated than anything WHM or AST need to do.

I actually found whm to be the hardest healer to play.
All the other classes i had no problem managing my mp, keeping the team healthy and doing dps.
With whm i was constantly on the low side of mp, and was struggling to find opportunities to go in and do dps where i wouldnt be better off popping shroud and sitting still for a bit to get mp back.
On the plus side, when i could go dps it was fucking great going in with aero 3, holy, and assize and just watching mob health melt down.

>>375959443
being expected to deal 1600 DPS is hard

>>375960497
If you use Shroud of Saints and Assize whenever they're off cooldown, and only use Cure II when you get a proc or are in an emergency, your MP should be fine.

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>>375960497
>WHM
>Hardest healer to play
>Problems keeping MP up with Shroud of Saints, Assize and free heals
Is this serious? Or am I devouring the bait right now?

>>375961075
I think some people underestimate how much of an mp sink Cure II spam is.

>>375959742
>is that you have to stand still
Which goes against your statement of Enochian maintaining itself. For instance every bird fight is constantly forcing you to move with retarded shit. It maintains itself in dummies, but I did say "fight worth it's time", didn't I? Why do you think they are saying they want to make so the difference between a good BLM and a shit BLM is not that great in stormblood? Take a guess.

Also, we are talking about someone who is mentally incapable of putting 3 signs together to form a ninjutsu, aka OP.

>PLD is babby's first tank / easy-mode tanking

Can somebody explain this meme to me? I'm objectively shit at playing video games and I find GLD/PLD to be the most difficult tank job in ff14 (yet MRD/WAR is one of my favourite jobs and DRK is fun as well).

>>375961434
Well, if you stutterstep its not an issue

But like you say, if OP is braindead it doesnt matter

>>375961589
I am told PLD is only difficult until you get shield oath

>>375961681
As someone who's leveled every tank class, this is accurate. After you get shield oath, it's babby mode. Why SE decided a tank wouldn't get their tank stance until lvl 40, I'll never know.

>>375961280

There are people who genuinely think WHM is hard because all they do is spam Medica II, Cure II, and Holy.

"Tank is getting paper cuts, better Cure II for every hit!"
"Raid is getting bopped by nerf bats, better cast Medica II three times in a row!"
"Two enemies! I MUST HOLY UNTIL I AM OOM."

And then there are the faggots who don't read tool-tips and assume Cure III is more powerful than Cure II on a single target because the number is bigger. I hate most WHM players.

>>375961681
I have all tank jobs at lvl 60 and yes, it DOES get easier once you obtain Shield Oath, but even then, I still can't play PLD for shit. What the fuck is wrong with me?

>>375961595
>stutterstep
>being enough on something like zurvan EX
You have no idea what you're talking about

>>375961916
For me, spamming flash seems easy enough

>>375961589
GLD and PLD are actually the most difficult tanks to play when keeping aggro, up until getting Shield Oath. Their aggro generation is pathetic and you constantly have to spam Flash and play a tug o war with your shitty DPSs to keep hate. That's what makes the job hard.
Once you get Shield Oath, though, that difficulty is gone. It's hard to lose hate with it on, and that's when all the difficulty goes away.
From then on its just spamming the same few combos and using other abilities anytime they're off cooldown. It's babby mode because once you're at that point, you can easily maintain your defensive buffs since thats all there really is to pay attention to anymore. You get to spend more time thinking about the fight you're in and less on maximizing your damage.

>>375961970
Okay, well maybe not for EVERYTHING

Im not square enix, i didnt design this mess of a system god damn

Machinist is the most fun to play desu

>>375961916

Rotate your combo so that you hit things your DPS are targeting with a Rage of Halone. You don't have Overpower or Unleash so you'll have to put concerted effort into smacking things with your sword to keep threat. Once you get Circle of Scorn you'll have an easier time of it, but you'll still need to rotate threat. Also Fight or Flight is amazing, use it as often as possible.

>>375961589
it's a bit of a holdover from 2.x where it literally had no (worthwhile) combos other than rage of halone so you sat in front of a monster and pressed 123

it also has no buffs to maintain unlike maim/darkside (although to be fair maintaining them isn't hard) and (i think, i'm not super experienced at tanking high level shit) has more defensive cooldowns available for use

it WOULD be the hardest tank class if se designed shit around all the weird utility crap paladin has but a lot of its skills are sort of useless

>>375961681
>difficult until you get shield oath
Not really, just flash one extra time and rotate your combo through the enemies, you may need to flash more often if your group is doing a lot of aoe but otherwise it's literally 1 2 3 with the occasional shield swipe until you get to lvl 50

Came here to post PLD but fpbp like always. I wouldn't dare say it if I didn't have it maxed either. Others I have maxed are WAR, SCH and NIN. DRG is what I'm working on now and I need to unlock SMN soon. SCH is easy af but not nearly as easy to master as PLD. PLD is just so slow.

NIN is actually one of the easier dps too. I may just feel that way because it's my main though and I spent way more time with it than anything else. If you really want to be a NIN keep with it OP. Eventually you are doing all your mudra without even thinking about it and have the rotation down.

Out of DPS I always heard that DRG has it the easiest but looking at their 60 rotation I don't know how's that's possible. Guess I'll see once I hit 60 DRG.

>>375962583
>rotate your combo through the enemies
This is the part that shitters miss

>people saying PLD is the easiest
Nigga, PLD is the hardest. Gotta fight falling asleep from how boring it is.

>>375961681
meh as long as you are geared up appropriately you aren't going to lose hate before level 40 without it. after that point though you will get shit pulled off you even with good gear. if not having shield oath leveling was an issue they would've given it to you sooner

>>375962875
kek. I enjoy it a lot. depends on if I'm in the mood to wreck shit or just chill out.

>>375945472
>sucking at ninja

You will never raid.

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Get real, war is the easiest, they don't even need to try to keep aggro and most of the time they OT.

>>375959742

Wtf are you even talking about your rotation is garbage and if you do main BLM you do it poorly

Opener:
Thunder > Sharpcast > fire 1 (leylines, raging strikes) > firestarter (enochian) > Fire 4 > Fire 4 > Fire 4 > fire 1 (convert) > Fire 4 > Fire 4 > Fire 4 > go to umbral ice phase

Umbral Ice Phase:
Blizzard 3 >
(If enochian has > 10 seconds and thunder < 10 seconds refresh thunder > blizzard > blizzard 4) blizzard 4 > go to burn phase

Burn Phase:
Fire 3 > fire 4 > fire 4 > fire 1 > fire 4 > fire 4 > firestarter/thundercloud depending on remaining enochian time or if enochian is off CD

The optimization comes in with using firestarter/thundercloud and not losing your enochian while dodging mechanics or during phase transitions. Losing your enochian from a dps perspective isn't a slow ramp up like a monk losing gl3, it's a level plateau you can only surpass when enochian is back. There is no reason to not get 4 fire 4s during a burn phase, and thunder and thundercloud damage is negligible to the point it can largely be ignored if your having problems with losing enochian. Please git gud.

>>375956240
I love PLD as well; but they are the trashiest, simpler and more boring of the tanks

>Do Mentor roulette in the hopes of getting a Guildhest
>Get an in-progress Aurum Vale instead
>Tank is a leaf PLD wearing DoW gear instead of tank gear, not even the free artifact gear
>Ask him if he wants advice about the first boss since they apparently wiped there
>"no im fine"
>Get everyone set and we start
>He just runs up and smacks it
>Turns it in circles constantly
>Sits in yellow pools
>Turns the boss to cleave the DPS
>We wipe
>Notice it's 40 min in and they're only the first boss
>Tell him to stop spinning the boss around and to plant himself on some dry ground
>"how do i pull i keep losing the boss"
>Tell him how
>Makes a half-assed attempt of it, still spins the boss and sits in yellow shit
>Wipe again because he keeps cleaving the DPS and standing in bad
>Find out he hasn't done job quests since he unlocked PLD because they're boring
>Wearing DoW gear because it had bigger stat numbers and tanks are beefy so they don't need the extra armor from tank gear
>After this exchange a DPS leaves without a word
>The other doesn't bother trying to fill, just puts up a vote to abandon

Could not get out of that fast enough. There are some stupid, stupid motherfuckers that play this game. How do they even breathe and walk at the same time?

>>375961970
>sophia goes immune
>does the tilt shit
>comes back half a century later
>still got 3 seconds, I can do it with swiftcast
>she comes back immune for no reason for about 3 or 4 seconds before she can be targeted again
Honestly Sophia is probably the most annoying to keep up BotD and Enochian out of all birds.

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>want to play SAM when it comes out
>don't want to be associated with weebs

>want to play RDM when it comes out
>don't want to be associated with fedora-wearing autists

There's no winning with this.

>>375964857
IS THIS A JOJO REFERENCE

>>375964857
Another downside is running POTD yet again to get to 60 to do stormblood content

>>375963280
>they
nice outting yourself shitter. PLD is way easier to tank. also not as many WAR go for vit as much do str. One of the many reasons PLD are MT. and yeah being a better tank doesn't mean you're job is harder or easier. it just so happens to be debatable being the best tank but objective that it's the easiest job let alone tank.

t. faggot no life shitter with literally every class including crafting and gathering 60.

>>375965009
>doing PotD after level 50
The only downside is that you're a fucking idiot.

>>375965071
Still faster exp once your daily shit is over compared to running the same dungeons again and again.

>>375965071
>15 minute minimum DPS queues after level 50 for dungeons
>Under 5 sec queues for PotD
Really makes you go hmm

>>375965071
Have fun with the dps queues for SAM/RDM once Stormblood hits, faggot. POTD or FATEs will be your only real source of exp.

>>375957874
You are just mad because XIV classes are easier than the overrall MMO lmao

>>375965071
>>375965290
do daily roulette then potd on even levels.
do daily roulette then highest level dungeon on odd levels (if you have bonus xp)

honestly you could probably get by with just potd up to 55. after that dungeons on odd levels start giving a shitload of xp if you have bonus xp.

i think i started 59 at about 10% in and it only took 3 library runs to hit cap.

Alright NINs here's the real question
What are you going to name your frog

>>375966457
Gorf

>>375963408
>can only get 4 fire IVs in a burn phase
>calls anyone bad

Holy shit lol just stop talking you clearly dont known what you're on about

>>375950510
T h i s
>Throw aids on 1 guy
>Spread it
>build dreadwyrm stacks
>go dragon dildo form
>Spam ruin 3
>Final second of dragonforce stance
>activate_it.jpg
>rinse and repeat

>>375964857
>hide headgear
>glamour

You dont have to wear a fedora if you dont want to

>>375966875

B-but muh pet control and optimizations!

>>375966875
>spreading aids before dt
>not having raging strikes up in dt
>being this bad

>>375966829

Lol u troll me. At least piety gems are cheap.

Fag.

>>375948056
confirmed for garbage bard player. Probably the hardest dps to min max and do really well with. nice try tho.. summoner is probably the easiest dps

>>375950601
I have every last DoW/M capped and agree; PLD is the easiest. WHM is a very close second.Even when played at their respective best, every job is harder than PLD if only by virtue of having more to press.

>>375967502
>I've never played SMN
BLM is by far the most braindead dps

>>375967358
No? I can get MINIMUM 7 fire IVs in a burn phase without gems or ley lines

>>375957235
>>375955815
>SCH
>easy
Salty WHM tears are so delicious

>>375967502

He wanted to know the easiest classes to play, not min/max. You don't have much to keep track of as BRD: push OGs when they're up, keep your DoTs up. Play songs. Use your buffs when they're up. It's simple to get used to if you're not used to playing a DPS.. OP should worry about min/maxing only if he's a speedrunning elitist trying to get ready for the Omega raid in SB, which it doesn't sound like he is.

>>375967657
summoner is mana management the class. retard its not hard you literally just watch your mana and spam spells like a braindead autist and you can pretty much move all you fucking want. youre also a caster so you can also spam sprint. nice try retard

>>375967812
I dont play WHM

Scholar gets a heal auto-turret and baller shields

I only say SCH is easy because it's a powerful class, no need to get mad chum

>>375967657
BLM here, i agree


The difficulty comes in when a fight requires you to move a lot

>>375968003
>smn is mana management the class
>blm doesnt even have to do that
>s-smn is so easy right guys

>>375968164
Its the same concept where you just make sure you can spam your strongest spell as often as possible isnt it?

>>375968164
blackmage has enochian cant move very frequently and yeah their mana is also important dumbass. summoner is 3 dots and then 1 of the 3 ruin buttons repeatadly based on mana till the boss dies they have virtually unlimited movement because ruin2 is an instant cast and their dots rarely have to be cast. allowing them to be safe and easily do high damage with little to zero thinking required

>>375967657
it's ninja

t. nin main

>>375967502
Bard is by far the easiest class to be good at, and it's the class with the smallest difference in DPS by above-average and perfect players. Min/maxing is also a retarded way to calculate how easy a class is, because only 0.1% of the playerbase is going to be that good.

>>375968395
Dont you have like 2 dots, 2 buffs and a debuff to maintain though?

Ive only played a little bit of ninja

>>375963280
>The new hairs are JUST and anime protag #254

>>375968350
>summoner is 3 dots and then 1 of the 3 ruin buttons
Confirmed for knowing nothing about smn or maximizing DT
You've lost this one, go home before you embarrass yourself even more

>>375968395

I think I'm clinically retarded. I have a hard time keeping track of all my buffs and CDs on NIN. I also seem to get stuck with re-applying Dancing Edge every time I play with another NIN. At least I try to put Trick Attack up whenever I can without overlapping someone else's. It's the only use I have when I play NIN.

I'm so sorry for the people that get stuck with me in DF. I'll stop playing NIN to spare the rest.

>>375968518
what are you talking about the difference is actually massive a bard doing the bare minmium will pull about 1200 dps a bard who knows what they are doing eith the same gear will do 2000 + you are legit a retard

>>375968701
>responds with insults and nothing to prove me wrong.
good meme friend kys i think your probably one of the shitters running around in full 270 welfare shires as a summoner only able to do 1800 dps

I can play endgame NIN and BRD and now leveling BLM (lv 40) and I feel like a complete retard.

Whats the priority to damage in this? I've been playing melee too long and forget how this job works.

>>375968535
2 dots, 1 buff, 2 and maybe 1 debuff if there's no war
NIN is different in that it doesn't have a strict rotation and works more based on priority, retards think this is drastically easier than than the rigid rotation of say DRG when they are actually about the same

Summoner
A bad any other class will do shit dps. A bad summoner will at least have a pet doing free dps for him and dots doing free dps too.

Same for scholar.
At least a bad scholar will have a pet that auto heals reducing the chances of fuckup

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>>375968848
>mention DT which you said nothing about
>b-but you didn't say anything else it has to do, s-shire gear

>>375968728
If you're doing the bare minimum and pulling 1200 dps, you're not a good bard. If you just click shit as it comes up and play casually, you're going to do 2000+ dps easily. I barely play the class, have no idea what the opener actually is and I've never looked at a guide or information about it at all, yet my DPS is pretty much exactly the same as all the savage-raiding BRD mains I've seen. It's a braindead class, and extremely easy to play decently in comparison to anything else

>>375945472
>any class in this garbage game too complicated for you

Good thing you never played XI.

>>375969252 i have bad news for you friend . 2000 as a bard is absolutely fucking awful if youre capped for savage

>>375968958

Just spend as much time in Astral Fire as you can. Cast Fire I unless you get a Fire III proc on a single target. Cast Fire II until you're OOM on 3+ targets. Use Blizzard III and Fire III to switch stances without Transpose. Cast Thunder I on a target and use your highest level Thunder when you get a proc. Wait until you're in Umbral Ice to re-cast Thunder I if you aren't lucky.

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stop playing WHM

>>375969341
2000+ means more than 2000, not exactly 2000.

>>375961916
I'm on the same boat, love PLD as shields but class is boring as fuck, I keep trying to force myself to play PLD but after playing a single dungeon as war or DRK is hard to go back.
Why I went for the PLD anima as my only one is beyond me

>>375968958
Pre 60 it looks like this

Single target

Spam Fire 1, hit firestarter procs, maintain thunder, thats it
With thunder, only use Thunder 1, and use thunder 3 in thundercloud procs, thunder 2 is LITERALLY useless so dont use it whatsoever


AoE

Spam Fire 2, maybe throw in a flare when you're almost out of mana, then transpose

>>375969278
>Complex = good

FFXI babbies everyone

I want to git gud at ninja, but I kinda suck. What's the secret?

>>375969919
Depends on what you suck at.
Remember the priorities
http://dtguilds.enjin.com/shastasninguide

who odin here

>>375968535
>>375968703
to be fair, nin does have a bit of a hump to get over at first since yes there's a lot of buttons to hit and stuff to keep track of, but it's a lot simpler than it looks

you'll never have to worry about managing your buff in the same way that mnk/drg does since the long timer gives you a lot of leeway to deal with mechanics, and gameplay comes down to "hit your cooldowns and refresh what's about to drop" once you get a hold on the class

i like the class for this because i'm a big retard who likes hitting a lot of buttons and doing well without thinking too hard about it

>>375969056
it's easier man, i dunno what to tell you. if botd wasn't a thing then yea drg would be easier, but it is and it isn't

>>375967049
Ifrit is arguably better than Garuda on a lot of fights. Have fun dealing with Contagion while I watch my fire bro punch shit all day.

>>375969423
>>375969598

Ty anons. Doing the job quests and I felt real weak but this is starting to make sense.

>>375969919
keep up your buff
keep up your debuffs on the boss
press 123 and use your ogcd
use the fireball naruto attack and tell people that it's better for single target because of less animation lock
don't forget sneak attack and trick attack

>>375970084
Well, my opener is comparable but I can probably adjust to this one here. My DPS usually falls off after, I am probably needing to work on keeping up my priorities like mentioned there.

>>375970446
If your DPS falls off later, it's definitely because you need to keep up your priorities - using DoTs, Mudra every 20 sec (remember trick is a 60 second CD as well), etc.

>>375970209
>botd
>use option a or option b
>literally the same priority system as nin just baked into a rigid non changing rotation
>drgs think this is hard
OK

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Who /MNK/ here.

Utility soon, brothers.

>>375971451
All day every day. Punching shit is so good.

>>375971451
>>375971676
outclassed even in their "own" expansion by samurai and red mage. Can't wait for the salty mhigger tears to flow.

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>>375971451
>mfw mnks get cucked again

>>375971906
>Stormblood.gif

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>>375971767
>benchmark
>WoL as a MNK gets one upped by RED and looks desperate when showing off his new skills
>WoL changes to SAM for the rest of the benchmark
>has more friends than as MNK
>wrecks Susano's shit

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>>375971451
utility or not, got tired if MNK, don't think I can get back to it again, discovering DRG timings felt better throght midas and creator fights, than just slamming with MNK. While midas was still fun on MNK (probably also because I went full crt/speed), I just was falling asleep in creator. Want to see what SAM brings to melee table. dunno why I writing this tho

>>375968518

So absurdly wrong, I love coming to /v/ threads and being reminded why pretty much everyone in this thread is trash.

>>375971767
I never cared about their utility and whatever. I just like beating the shit out of everything with my fists of fury. Eenie meenie miney mo, I wonder where my glove will go.

>>375969278

You mean Macro simulator XI with multiple gcd cast times?

>>375971083

>rigid non changing rotation

The fights where DRG can even pull off one cycle of its rigid unchanging rotation before they have to do mechanics or adds can be counted on one hand.

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>>375971451
>implying you wont be put in the cuckshed by sam and rdm

It's been a week and SE still hasn't resolved my password recovery. Do i just give up on my old character /v/ and start new? Previous character was max WHM with high item lvl with mid lvl every other skill.

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>>375972706
>cat poster

>>375972803

Depending on what your situation is you could be fucked. If you use One-Time Passwords then you're probably SoL.

Also, try to get a live person on the phone instead of e-mailing customer support.

>>375973092
sorry for being such a leech but do you have a link for the number. Every time I have been on there their "contact us" sends me to their stupid knowledge database.

>>375973548

Try 1 (858) 790-7529

It's a Murrican number, only open from 9-5 on weekdays, and it's old so it might not even be valid. SE hates you and your money so don't ever try to talk to them or YoshiP again or they'll call the cops.

>messing up ninjutsus

I mean i understand if there's lag, because servers are fucking garbage, but i don't see anyone messing up any other way. it's like impossible.

>>375972185
melee with cast times, probably

which is going to be fucking incredible to watch since we already have loldrg so i expect the floor to be paved with dead weebs for a few months

>>375974184
I've used the number before when my phone wiped itself on one of my android updates. I called the moment it opened.

Waited about 40 minutes on hold and they took off my one-time password for me within like 2 minutes of talking to someone. They were actually pretty nice and helpful.

>>375950218
He said it was too complicated, not hard

>>375974445

>Every EX fight
>SAM dies first trying to get that last charged hit in
>Keeps dying over and over again
>Healers eventually give up on raising them
>DRG finally redeemed

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>Levering up NIN in Gubal in ilvl144
>Get a PLD Tank with mostly 260 gears
>First boss and everything goes nicely
>Suddenly I notice that I have aggro
>PLD is in Sword oath and don't even try to get aggro back
>Trow shadewalker on him and keep going believing that he will probably provoke soon
>Even with shade the boss is still on me
>Same thing happen on the second boss
>Tell the PLD to stop fucking around already
>He leave
>Healer leave soon after
Playing DPS is suffering.

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>>375946314
>he doesn't want to learn from the the apex of gentlemanliness in all of Eorzea

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>>375972185
same desu
I swapped from monk to ninja reluctantly during gordias for obvious reasons
ended up sticking to ninja, refusing to go back to monk because monks just a fucking drag to play

>>375974445
>melee with cast times, probably
God, I hope not.
If so they will be so fucking awful in pvp.

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>enter duty
>"hi salut ^^"

>>375974184
Just got it resolved thanks. Was really hating the idea of grinding everything back up and doing the story quests again.

>>375975809
just take the 30 minute penalty my man
it isn't worth the pain

>>375975903
Pain means bread, oui?

>>375975809
>French's awfulness
VS
>American's Pay my sub or shut up

Really wonder which is worst.

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>>375975809
>enter duty
>holla
I'll never get why we have german auto translations but not spic.

>>375976134

I prefer Frenchies honestly. I can deal with baddies if they aren't being assholes.

>>375976315

Spaniards aren't as big of a market for their games as the French and German are, and Mexicans are too poor or busy getting shot to play anyway.

>>375976134
>worst
Quebecois

>>375976315
>>holla
I'm pretty sure that's niggernese.

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What is the best PvP mode to farm PvP currency?

>>375976495
Hardly true, na data center is full of head choppers and brs.

drk is the most fun tank

>>375976661
frontlines and feast

>>375976661
Frontline.
It's less involved than the Feast for a casual player and you can actually fuck around.
Just queue for Shatter and you're good to go.

>>375976639
But we are the best.

>>375976798
>>375976661
Also, you'll need to add your PVP skills in your hotbar since they are kind of vital for you.

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>>375976796
>>375976798
>>375977162
alright, thanks for the tips

>>375969278
I already have a hard enough time getting people to Skillchain/Magic Burst together properly in my groups without healing Mega Bosses, I can't imagine having these shitters involved as well.

>>375977274
Just out of curiously, which job are you going to use on it?

What pvp skills do I invest in as a mch

>>375955815
>>DPS
>Black Mage
Before 60 maybe, but not after.

Why do we need Sword Oath as its own button? Why can't it be just automatically on and when you switch to Shield Oath it cancels sword until you disable Shield Oath?

Unnecessary hotbar bloat.

>>375977529
Whatever one gets you out of stuns/CC

>>375967502
>Summoner is the easiest DPS.

>Have to manage a pet its damage and health.
>Have to keep track of dots and when to refresh them.
>Manage Aetherflow stacks.
>Manage Dreadwrym trace.
>While dodging shit the boss throws at you.
>while dropping a heal or a ress to people who need it

Son you need to reevaluate on what you think is easy.

>>375977602
Why do people keep saying this, what is hard about spamming Fire IV? I am genyinely curious, i play BLM and the only difficulty whatsoever that comes out of the class is balancing your casts with moving around

>>375977529
Between the fucking Eyes.
It's your bread and butter to kill people.
Then Stun Gun.

Then you buff up your survivability with Recuperate and Purify.

>>375977609

Because then you'd either have to have it as a trait or a skill that GLD can get. They might do what you're suggesting with the skill revamp, who knows.

>>375977769
>balancing your casts with moving around
This is why they think it's so hard, these are the same people that think holding aggro without shield oath is hard or think botd makes drg the most complicated dps

>>375977721
>Have to manage a pet its damage and health.
You mean move your pet abilities onto your hotbar and forget that your neon turret is even there.
>Have to keep track of dots and when to refresh them.
>Manage Aetherflow stacks.
>Manage Dreadwrym trace.
>While dodging shit the boss throws at you.
Ooooh noooo, like every other class?

>>375977721
Yes, and that's all less than what other jobs deal with generally, since DWT/TD lines up your burst windows for you there isn't much to worry about on SMN

>>375960385
>Its the hardest job in its role. There isn't even an argument here.
It isn't. I already told you this.

>More skills to keep track of and the positioning of a stupid NPC is more complicated
No it isn't. This entire FUCKING game is positioning and keeping track of skills. *Especially* in healing roles.

Is SCH L I T E R A L L Y the only class you've fucking played in this game?

That's the only way I could fathom anyone thinking it's hard just because you have to do shit that EVERY OTHER CLASS IN THE GAME has to do to varying extents all the damn time.

>>375945562

In terms of skills, yes, easy as shit and safe too, maybe boring to some people, I liked it but you are still a fucking Tank and some extreme mode shits really need the tanks and healers to step up their fucking game.

I guess then if you wanna play it cool without having the entire weight of the party on your shoulders, try a fucking Summoner, it's cool, easy and you can also go solo in the world map when you need it with a mini-party if you count your chocobo and not take years to kill like a tank.

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>it's a "my class is harder to play than your class" episode

>>375977529
Max buff your purify, recouperate between the eyes, stun gun.

You can use them all even at pvp level 1 mind you. The skills you buy with points just upgrade them, but the base skill is always available.

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>Lives in Japan
>Loves memes
>M'lady speak for true cultured gentlemen
>Goes on reddit for inspiration
>Has a Japanese wife
Is Koji-fox...dare I say it? Can I say it? /ourguy/?

lmao what is it with SCH/SMNshitters thinking their job is hard

i feel like those jobs attract retards who feel accomplished there's something they can finally well do even in a game that's catered to braindead casuals

>it's a "PotD is still the best method of leveling DPS, matched parties can't beat floor 50 and we have no idea when jump potions are being implemented" episode
I hate this

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>>375977323
DRK because I also need to finish my anima weapon.
Just finished a match, it is more fun than I expected. Then again, I was expecting zero fun.

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>>375978371
I like koji

>>375978118
but it is

>>375978008
More skills = more difficult to play optimally. Period.

>>375945472
>I always mess up the ninjutsu stuff.
make a little songs in your head using man, earth, heaven. I sing in discord during savage when I dps as nin.

>>375978371
I HATE KOJI

FAGGOT FUCK CHANGE THE SPELL NAMES

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>>375978834
Oh, here's a little protip for you.
"Sole Survivor" has a little PVP bonus which make the target take 10% more damage.
You can stack that with the PVP skill "Full Swing" so they take an additional 10% damage for 20% bonus overall (30% if you buff Full swing).

Also if you use Purify while in Walking Dead state, you will die immediately, so beware of that.

>>375948056
How is DRG easiest? I'd say it's the hardest of the melee DPS. That title goes to MNK.

>>375978889

I hope they stop trying to make this good and just focus on other things. Like fuck, stop trying, you can't do sand-boxes SE. Give it up and put your resources into something you know how to do.

>>375979195
>>375945472
Or just use a bot.

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>>375979248
>Also if you use Purify while in Walking Dead state, you will die immediately

That's neat.

I don't get how people how say some DPS classes are too easy. Yeah you can look up the rotations, but you still have to make the accuracy check, which requires looking up info for since if you miss one attack that can fuck up your entire rotation. You still have to know when bosses go invincible or the downtime involved so you can keep up your buffs. Figuring all this out without looking at anything seems harder than it looks.

>>375979031
the optimal way to play doesn't change just because you have a dozen skills more skills that are useless in any given moment because the situation doesn't call for them.

i'm sorry refreshing a dot every now and again is such a herculean effort for you but you need to realize that's just you. the class is hard for you to play. it's not inherently hard.

>>375977782
>fully buffed BtE crit with battle fever before they nerfed it twice

I want to go back

>>375979248
>Also if you use Purify while in Walking Dead state, you will die immediately, so beware of that.
No, if Purify removes the debuff part of Living Lead you survive 100% assuming nobody just bops you since you'll probably have 1 health

>>375978371
>Change a god's name because thal's balls lol xD

Koji can go kill himself

If you use jump potions you are a huge fag

>>375979540
I always assumed when a DRK uses that skill they've already accepted they are going to die and just wasting time. It's pretty annoying.

>>375948056
>>375979298
Having played all 3 optimally, MNK is the easiest by a pretty fair margin
Hardest is tough but goes to DRG due to BotD being a piece of fucking garbage during encounters with breaks, NIN has more things to optimize than DRG but they're easier to deal with - little things like never using Armor Crush while buffed

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>>375945472
>tfw years of making my dots giant and flashing in my face in wow through addons has ruined me
>tfw I can't play dps in xiv

>>375980091
dumb wowposter

>>375980091
Try BLM I guess?

>>375979552
>tries to add more depth by making custom curses for the setting
>ends up adding even more depth to a god and its religion
>adds to Ul'dah's 'two sides of the same coin' theme by splitting the god into twins
>Ul'dah now worships both money and death instead of just being plain ancap paradise
Wowwwww, what was he thinking making more lore like that

>>375979456

ACC isn't hard, it's just a stat check. "Boss requires a minimum of X accuracy to hit all the time. Do you have at least this much accuracy? Y/N" Just look up ACC requirements for the hardest fight, meet it, and you'll never have to worry about it again.

Run through the fight once or twice and you'll get the timing. Tanks also have to watch out for shit too- tank busters, adds, mechanics specific to them, and they have to do as much DPS as possible too. DPS jobs don't have it any harder than they do. The only easy one is Healer because if you're with a good group you can just DPS as much as possible. If not, well, you'll always have something to do at least.

>>375962158
This.
>no stacks or shit to keep up and lose when boss jumps away for more than 10 seconds
>no animation lock bullshit
>no buff to maintain besides hot shot and lead shot and they both last an eternity
>basically spam CDs as they come off CD
>free deeps turret for both single target and aoe, and also refreshes party mp/tp without gimping your damage (lmao fuck Bard)
>doesn't buff the damage of casters while not buffing its own damage (lmao fuck Bard and fuck casters)
>buffs damage of physical dps including itself (lmao fuck casters get fucked lmao)
>uses a fucking GUN
Only fix is to undo the retarded Gauss Barrel mechanic. But then that'd make all the shitters flock to the class so I actually prefer this, it's worth the benefit of not having a million MCH/BRD in all my dungeons taking my loot.

>>375979248
>>375978834
I just tested, in this Anon is right >>375979540 Purifying Walking dead leave you with 1HP.
It's actually pretty good if you think about it, if you are able to flee to your team side, you can survive walking dead by purifying it and get healed.

>>375979527
The nerf was needed.
Being able to kill fucking anything beside a tank in any moment they want even with adlo on was bullshit.

>>375980238
Yeah but for a new playing going into end game content they have some research to do to before maximizing their DPS output. Like OP obviously has some shit he needs to learn, whether from here or somewhere else.

I'm brand new to the game what world do i play on?

I'm from north america

>>375980841
Any NA server as long as it's not on Aether Datacenter.

>>375980841

If you want to (E)RP: Balmung
If you want to play with try-hard shitters: Gilgamesh
If you want to play with normal people: Any of the active servers in the Primal data center.

Most populated worlds are locked for character creation until super early in the morning anyway, so good luck getting on a server that isn't a ghost town. You can always pay to transfer to a different server if you don't like the one you start on of course. YoshiP needs a castle for his dog now that he has three of his own.

I made an alt on Lamia a week ago or so. Shit's a ghost town. So maybe don't go there.

>>375980923
Okay also do you know how dragoon is?

I hear they are a bit boring until 50, which I'm fine with ( i did 1-60 warrior in vanilla )

I just love the way dragoons look

>>375978371
I unironically like Koji.

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>>375980091

>>375981076
I was thinking Faerie or Cactuar

How are those

>>375981078
It's boring until level 26 because you'll only need to spam Impulse Drive.

Post how you want your favorite job changed

>>375980841
As >>375981076 said
If you want to (E)RP: Balmung
If you want to play with try-hard shitters: Gilgamesh

If you want a high pop server that isn't either the above, Leviathan followed by Excalibur is your best bet.

>>375981085

i think he's alright as well, but they give him too much artistic liberty when it comes to nouns

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>1 billion 1s farms
>no one join the one i'm in

>>375981078
DRG is the standard melee DPS. Great damage and a lot of decent utilities. Sought after in high end content. DRG and BRD are probably the best options for new players.

>>375981167
NIN
Make poisons an actual decision to make

>>375981152
>Faerie
It's the unofficial LGBTQ+ server.

>>375980841
This is mostly right >>375981076
My rec is for Gilgamesh or if you can't get on it, Faerie it's the unofficial gay server but aside from fc's advertising being lgbt friendly it never came up in conversation and it was always fairly populated no matter the time of day for the while that I played on it, everyone was fairly nice as well

>>375981167
WHM
Another way to get MP back.

>>375981330
What time in the morning EST would I have to get up to get into Gilgamesh

>>375981240
Healer or Tank I'm guessing?

>>375981441
It's been bleeding players heavily recently from what I've seen, but I've seen it open between 5-10am est multiple times

>>375981391
>shroud
>assize
>not being a retard and spamming cure 2 and 3
You have enough options.
Not that it matters, no one in endgame even wants WHM for raids. They're easy, oversaturated, and worse than AST+SCH.

>>375981441

5-6 am probably, and you'll have the best luck after a bot banning spree. They usually happen once a week.

>>375981296
There's really no point in making them a decision to make, similar to smn pets there will always be a best decision unless they build them around encounter gimmicks which would quickly make them outdated or they would have to build encounters around the poisons which is just as implausible

>>375981441

Use this to see what's open and what's not.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/news/detail/80cd4583bf743600105b947d6906d0909189e479/

>>375981593
I just want them to be something more than turning an interrupt into a different interrupt that gives 400 health
A fists of earth equivalent would be neat, or a fists of wind that's swiftsong speed

Overall though really I'm content with ninja, it's a well designed job in general

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Man, DPS have it so easy for light farm...
It's always 1 tank 1 healer 6 DPS.

>>375981167
>Remove Enochian or just make it permanent (confirmed)
>Make Thunder one button
>Remove Blizzard II and Freeze for more button space
>Make Sharpcast into an automated procs per minute thing
>Flare now does more damage based on the MP you have left, but puts you in a state of debilitation like Warriors making it an AoE finisher
>Surecast allows the next spell to be cast while moving
>Aetherial Manipulation can now be aimed on the ground
>Combine Manaward and Manawall and lower the cooldown to 60
>Transpose can now be used out of combat to acquire your highest level of Umbral/Astral if you don't have either active
>Blizzard III automatically changes to Blizzard IV when you acquire it
>Scathe talent is changed so that the double damage is guaranteed when target is under 10-20%, and MP is reduced

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>>375982001
>haha nice queues dps fags xD
>look at all my instant queues as tank Cx
>wheres your adventurer in need plebs >:)
>g-guys pls fill my light farm groups
J U S T I C E
U
S
T
I
C
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What's the quickest way to gear up now? I'm just returning from a longer break and have a 250sch but I'd like to get my DRK geared but I only have base 60 gear, is grinding tombs fastest way?

>>375982325
do dun scaith, roll on tank loot and use whatever tomes you have from that to purchase gear.

>>375982325

Tome grind, buy crafted gear, get welfare gear from dungeons, run Dun Scaith since the weekly restriction is gone.

>>375982532
>Dun Scaith since the weekly restriction is gone.
Really? It still says rewards already received on my duty finder screen

>>375980841
Exodus or Cactaur, avoid Balmung, Gilgamesh, Leviathan, and Ultros

>>375983026

There's a weekly restriction on the Mhachi Matter that you trade in for a Grade V materia. You can lot on gear as much as you want, though.

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>>375983367
>You can lot on gear as much as you want, though.
I wish I'd known that yesterday when the queue was shorter

>>375945472
paladin main here, and i main it because it's the easiest (and i love the aesthetic)

>>375983578
ilvl?

>>375945562
How do I level pld, low level gld/pld seems hard to keep threat on compared to my drk

>>375983813
i265

>>375983912
Flash more retard, it's literally that simple

>>375984031
Low level? Because I can spam it and still lose threat

>>375981167
nin

even more frogs

>>375984297
Then you are completely hopeless or wearing shit gear

>>375982001
Just do A9S, dumbo.

>>375984297

Did you not read the thread? There were people explaining how to keep aggro as GLD/PLD before you get Shield Oath/Circle of Scorn hours ago.

>>375978008
>it's not hard because I said it's not
Wow great argument retard.

>>375985159
that wasn't my argument
great reading comprehension illiterate cunt

>>375959954
>it's not harder than WHM
yes it is
i play WHM because it's simple and straightforward
SCH is harder, deal w/ it fucko

>>375981441
Check the schedule posted on the forums. It's like every 4 hours the status will update to see if the server is still locked. You want to try to make a character at the beginning of those windows.

Alternatively you sit in front of the computer and load a character template as soon as servers come up from maintenance.

>>375985689
are you a lalafell

>>375985652
it isn't.
WHM has more annoying restrictions that SCH doesn't need to worry about at all in comparison

i guess if you're a mongoloid and you think having more than one dot to maintain is """hard""" you would think SCH is harder. but yeah, like i said before, if that's the case, that's a case of you being mentally deficient. the class is easy as fuck to play.

>>375980923
Whats wrong with Aether?

That is where all the best english speaking players are

>>375979481
>i'm sorry refreshing a dot every now and again is such a herculean effort for you but you need to realize that's just you. the class is hard for you to play. it's not inherently hard.
HardER. Not hard. HARDER. As in, harder than the other healers. Not hard as in its difficult to do. Its more difficult than what the others have to do. Is English not your first language?

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>>375982001
>Tank and healer babs finally tasting the feeling of being unwanted

Eat shit

>>375981167
>DRK
>remove not being able to recover MP in Grit (or make it at least like 25%-50%)
>just remove the need for Dark Arts with abilities that are pretty shit if you don't use it anyways, and add the MP cost directly on the CD

>MCH
>removing cast times this isn't a fucking black mage Yoshi seriously who okayed this idea

>AST
>combine cards or improve their effects or include a "discard" ability that gives me some kind of bonus up to 5 stacks for the card I actually do play

>WHM
>decrease Shroud to 90s and Assize to 60s

>MNK
>let Delirium stack with Dragon Kick so MNK is more useful and doesn't get unbuffed by an inattentive DRK

>>375980841
Ultros

>>375986130
Balmung and left over shills from a fc that won't be named promoting primal
There are only 4 servers that should be avoided and 3 of them are lock most of the time anyway

>>375985981
>refresh regen
>spam cure
>use holy on trash
>tetra/bene when someone fucks up
UNNNNNGH SO HARD

>>375986404
>doesn't get unbuffed by an inattentive DRK

Oh look, shitter who doesn't actually know shit opining on job balance again.

Protip DRK can't overwrite DK debuff with Delirium.

>>375979195
Rly nigger. Literally just have your mudras in a 1 2 3 order. 3 2 1 huton. 1 2 3 suiton. 1 2 raiton. 2 1 katon. 1 3 2 doton. 1 fuma. desu I can't even remember if that doton order is right because it's just muscle memory at this point. take slike 5 mins to get used to. only way youre fucking up a jutsu is if the server/your internet chimps out.

>>375985981
>more than one dot to maintain is """hard"""
>aero 3
>aero 2

shit i cant fathom more than one, you got me. SCH is harder, you cant argue this

>>375971451
Leveling that shit now my brother I like the class but I feel like I'm making a mistake I have nin 60 but I don't like all the fucking timers and tank spinning mobs to be fair I have the same problem on monk but missing a positional>>>>>>missing trick

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>2h to find an 1s party with a healer slot
>clear 4 times then disband
I should just wipe in 9s with shitters

>>375982445
Get to i200 with Allied Seals or whatever Clan hunt seals are.

Do Void Ark a few times (you'll probably want a mhachi penny or two or three for i270 wep and two to upgrade i230 tome gear). Hopefully you get some i200 gear, also it's kind of a new experience since you never tanked it before.
Do Aetherochemical Chemical Research Facility for easy tomes and get some i230 gear.
You should be maybe i215 or something now. Do some Mhach just like you did with Void Ark. Do 4 Alexander Midas runs so you can get an i230 weapon. Upgrade to i240 with penny+farthing. Get more tomes until you're ~i225-i230 all VIT (queue in with your MND accessories to reach i235) or when you're i235 if you care. Get some tank gear to i240ish. Do some Creator runs to get 4 gears for your i260 Scripture Weapon and upgrade it with 1 penny+farthing+shilling.

That's my method generally.

>>375986375
The reasons you gave why it is hardER than other healers is because you need to coordination position and keep track of skill cooldowns....

EVERY
JOB
IN
THE
FUCKING
GAME

has to do that

if THOSE are you reasons for saying it's hardER than anything else you are literally retarded. It is NOT more difficult than what others have to do, according to your own reasons YOU cited it's fundamentally EXACTLY THE SAME.
>Is English not your first language?
Of course, but it doesn't matter when I'm speaking it to an illiterate mongoloid such as yourself

and by the way, this is what I originally objected to
>SCH and BLM are some of the hardest jobs in their roles.

this "relativity" stuff is red herring goalpost-shifted tangential bullshit anyway

>>375986490
>>375986784
I never said WHM was hard but on SCH you can be way more careless without much negative impact with both your MP and your timing since cast times are shorter

>>375985265
Haha found you faggot I saw you not respond to the other guy scared little bitch. Outed.

>>375986934
Back to the pond with you

>>375987092
I responded to everyone who replied to me

>>375986535
Oh cool I never payed much attention I just thought it did. No need to be so upset. Still, should let them stack so MNK is viable for team setup.

>>375980382
>tfw trying to get the hang of wildfire

I can't and the DPS of this class is TRASH if you cant optimize it but if you can its devastating.

>>375962694
60 drg rotation isn't terrible, but it's not quite braindead either.

Honestly it's not quite a rotation, more of priority with a set rhythm I guess? Like how heavy thrust and phlebotomize have the same active duration, so they tend to come up at the same time, which just so happens to be after you do two main combos. It ends up going like

>heavy thrust and phlebotomize
>chaos thrust combo
>full thrust combo
>ht and phleb
>ft combo
>ct combo
>ht and phleb
>etc
>maintain botd for maximum geirskogul
>use jumps and buffs off cooldown

Side note when will tanks and healers both get extra rewards? I really enjoy drg but I'm sad that the only way to really get to play it is to wait 30+minutes for dungeon queues. I work full time, I don't have time for that shit.

>>375987068
>WHM is hard
lol you're such a shitter

>>375963280
None of the tanks need to try to hold aggro, unless they're using the wrong fucking stance.

>>375987315
WHM is easy actually. it's like that guy said, straightforward.

SCH is straightforward AND retard-proof even if you do fuck up

>>375987068
The reason its hardER than the other healers is because it has more skills than any other healer, and has a pet to position. No other healer needs to do that. Stop being retarded.

>>375987290
Put Phlebotomize after CT combo.

>>375987068
>since cast times are shorter
Fucking hardly.
Not to mention WHM is the healer with the best Spellspeed buff in the game.

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>>375987409
>wrong fucking stance.
But all tanks should switch to their dps stance.

>>375987068
>>375987315
All healers are easy, stop being fags
DoTs up, filler nuke, save the tank around tank busters while regen/fairy covers autos

This isn't a big deal you fucking diva retards

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>>375986934
At least you have those insta-queues for dungeons ;)

>>375987409
>Staying in tank stance the entire time
Found the shitter

>>375987157
I'll send cortez after you.

How difficult does skill management and rotations get in the late game at max level?

I like the comfy long term sense of progression this game offers but I took a peek at some class guides and late game skill rotations and these openers and shit look bonkers

As a relative idiot who's never really played many mmos before, how much shit am I going to be in for late game?

>>375987446
>it has more skills
you have yet to actually explain why this is makes it any harder. if anything it's easier because you have more tools at your disposal to use for any given situation and that adds to your flexibility

so what in the actual FUCK are you talking about?

>>375981167
>DRK
>make power slash combo stronger than delirium combo
>make DA+PS do more damage instead of more enmity
>give delirium's debuff to power slash
>remove delirium from the game because shit is gay
Power slash deserves more love.

>>375986934
Just farm something else.

>>375987805
You get everything one button at a time, very slowly, so you'll be comfortable with everything you have by the time you hit max level you should be anyway, for some reason most people aren't
Just read your tooltips and you'll be fine

>>375987816
More skills to keep track of makes the job inherently more difficult to play optimally. I shouldn't have to keep explaining this.

>>375987805
some classes have a smooth transition and some classes get fucked like BLM unless its your second character you will lose damage trying to use the new skills and not understanding the buff

>>375987773
I'll send you to a french restaurant.

>>375987842
>Power slash deserves more love
You just like the energy blast from your hand at the end don't you
So do I

>>375987816
Anon I think they're saying it's harder to play the job at maximum efficiency. Sure you don't have to use all of the skills but if you want to use them all and do it right it's probably harder to do on SCH than it is with the other healers. At least that's what I think they mean, if so then I agree.

>>375987973
You haven't explained it you just keep insisting it. Which is why I keep telling you, no.

The optimal way to play doesn't change no matter how many skills you have because the fights follow a script. You just use the ones useful to you in the moment and the other skills are irrelevant when you don't need them.

>>375965059
how fucking long has it been since you played, vit and str scale equally for damage. and you get more vit on any peice of gear.

Which class will be more popular (more people playing it), SAM or RDM?

I hope RDM is cool.

>>375988391
SAM no doubt.

>>375984810
Spoon feed me all i see are people saying flash

>>375982016
Combine Manaward and Manawall? Fuck you. There's several fights I can use both on, that's a straight up nerf. Just because some people don't look up what type a move is, doesn't mean this should be done. But give me back old manawall, this 20% wall is lame.

Surecast will never do that, even though it makes sense. Enhanced Surecast is probably going to be changed to something actually useful in 4.0 I hope.

The problem with that transpose buff is that it makes slow-cast fire 3 and blizzard 3 obsolete. But people don't really use those anyways, so it's probably ok.

Sharpcast automated? No, right now it's a BLM movement resource. You don't want this.

B3 and B4 being the same? Then what are you going to do while you're regenning MP in umbral? B4 filled that nicely.

In my opinion, BLM should get an instant cast nuke on a small-ish CD, maybe once every two or three cycles. It's really annoying that it has all these OGCD skills, but the only way to not clip is to use swiftcast or a proc.

>>375988391
SAM

I can feel the weebs foaming at the mouth when it was revealed

>>375968350
someone forgot about shadow flare.