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Now that the dust has settled and honeymoon phase is over

What went wrong lads?
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Too much talking.
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Only things bad in the game were the group events and character interaction.

Everything else was a step up from 3/4.
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>>375837645
Nothing? it was everything one could expect from persona. If you think this game is magically worse than 3 or 4, then you're wrong and nostalgia blinded.
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>>375837645
It fell into most of the same pitfalls that P4 fell into
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>fighting final boss
>get him down to a sliver of HP
>he charges ultimate attack
>Futaba boosts party with Charge
>take it as a sign, go full offensive
>fail to kill boss
>wait for death
>boss charges for a second turn
>go all out a second time
>fail to kill boss
>boss unleashes ultimate attack
>misses Joker, everyone else dies
>hit him once
>win the game

I'll take it!
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Its my top game for 2017 so far
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>>375838878
>when you haven't played Yakuza 0
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>>375837645
Spent way too much time on a story that wasn't overly complicated and was repeated constantly for no good reason.
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>>375838945
i did last year
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>>375837645

>What went wrong?

Same protag dies = instant game over bullshit
Japanese singer has awful Engrish in some songs
Some underwritten characters like Ann
Game concludes too early in comparison to P4 and P3
First quarter of the game too restrictive
Social events in the year were just underwhelming
Haru introduced FAR too late to make any impact

Those were my only problems with the game.
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>hey, hurry up, you gotta do all this stuff by the deadline
>woah, not so fast, we need to have mandatory meetings going over shit you already know and force you to go to sleep early
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>>375839794
>Haru introduced FAR too late to make any impact
She made an impact on my heart.
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>What went wrong
This thread
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>>375837645
Lamer events.

But that just tells you how sad and boring life is in the city. Compared to p4 or p3 where you're pretty much a fucking richfag.
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People latched onto Makoto.
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>>375840182
Isn't P3 also in the city?
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>>375839794
>Japanese singer has awful Engrish in some songs
better than English voice actors and their awful Japanese pronunciation
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>Level Design
>Movement

Other than that it was pretty much the same as P3/P4. The story was predictable and didn't exactly bring a tear to my eye, the characters are as archetypical as they come.
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>>375840289
in p3 you are fucking rich, you get invited to a private beach estate, you live in a comfy dorm for free, and your school is fancy as fuck.
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It got too popular
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/v/ happened
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>>375837645
can't fuck best boy
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>>375840521
It's mostly just best girl who is rich and you get to leech off her wealth.

And they sort of almost did something similar with Haru but she came in way too late.
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>>375840325
Gaijapanese is perosna's tradition
>JUPEI KUUUUUUUUUUN
>KOROU CHAAAAAAANNN
>SEEN PAAAAAI
>ADAAAAACHYYYYYY
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Hawaii, Okumura arc, and Okumura's palace were absolute trash, felt shoed in and unfulfilling and Haru is disappointingly weak.

No visit to Inaba was disappointing as well. The final boss was also a joke and Mementos was meh as well.
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>>375841126
Why the hell would they go to Inaba?
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>>375837645
They should have replace Haru with Hifumi
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>>375837645

No sex hair in the maid outfit. Ruined the fucking game for me. Other than that, the game is a solid 9/10. Better than 3 and 4 by far.
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>>375841291
P4 cast went to Gekkoukan. It would make sense.
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>>375841291
Why the hell did the Investigation team go to Persona 3's school? Fanservice.
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What went so right?
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>>375842029
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>>375837645
Pretty much every aspect of the game has issues.
The thing that I probably would have liked most of all would be an actual challenge in the gameplay.
Even with hard mode on the first go, I feel like it's the easiest rpg Atlus has ever made.
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>>375842148
>Futaba with Haru hair
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>>375841503
there's no reason they visit shithole like Inaba
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>>375837645

Nothing? The game is an improvement in everyway from the previous entry. I'm loving it.
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>>375838213
Its a VN game. What did you expect?
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>>375842148
Haru suits every hairstyle
literally best girl
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>>375837645
Positive thing: They put way less emphasis on the randomized dungeon horseshit

Negative thing: Because they had puzzles and gimmicks even when dungeon crawling the game will stop you in your tracks to have characters speculate about something you've already figured out just by looking at the damn thing.
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>>375837645
It added nothing
Changed too little

Still, it's the best persona game, except for the story (which is subjective). I just think that after 10 years they could have improved the formula some more.
Slinks having no effect on most scenes of the main story is the most annoying part of the game.
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>>375842029
Mishima
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>>375837645
>Now that the dust has settled and the honeymoon phase is over

Fuck, you rolled the two worst memes on /v/ into one sentence, that's impressive.
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>>375842029
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>>375842794
Joker in the next Castlevania game
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>>375841368
fucking this.
I love sexhair but twin tails is disgusting
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Heavy Rain tier plot twist
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The main characters sucked.
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>>375842148
>Makoto with Futuba hair
Literally Mitsuru

>>375842696
Ryuji actually looks better than the default.
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>>375840090
She does show up during the fireworks festival at least, even if she doesn't do shit until far past that.
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>>375842794
Looks like Sae.
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>>375841126
Okumura and his palace was trash. Not to mention this is the point where the music starts to go in a weird direction and becomes really inconsistent with the funk/acid jazz theme.
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>>375842426
>The game is an improvement in everyway from the previous entry.

>Naoto became a party member too late but still managed to involve herself in the plot

>Here is where you expect Atlus to realize not to do this again

>Haru is introduced late and then does nothing in the main story herself

Kek improvement my ass
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>>375842148
Haru is so much more palatable with Futaba's hair.
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>>375842553
and her default hair suits no one as its
shit
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>>375837645
not enough Goro
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>>375838334
The OST could've used a few more tracks because of the games length
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>>375839794
The awful english signing is part of the charm anon. Theres so much over the top anime bullshit in Persona and I love it.
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My only real gripe is the DLC prices, $7 for costumes and a song and $3 for 2 personas seems a bit much.
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>>375837645

They made a game but forgot to put in the game play. I just sat one of these boys down near the X button on my controller and watched Persona 5 like it was a movie instead of wasting my time playing it.
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>>375837645
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>>375837645
the combat, dungeons, dialogue, and plot. Persona series is a prime example that you only need waifus to sell your game.
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>implying anything went wrong at all
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Your thoughts?
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>too many scenes of characters just fucking standing and talking inane shit
>too few in engine animated scenes with shit actualy happening (like persona awakenings)
>cannot skip all out atack
>low budget garbage anime cutscenes
>cannot skip calendar animations between days
>too many personas that have models but you cannot fight them
>half assed dungeons after the mid point
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boring story, soulless characters and 70 hours of padding
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Apparently raising social links involves acting like a Sycophant.
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>>375837645
Social events were a little disappointing. Ending was hype as fuck but felt rushed, although not as bad as Persona 4's. The main villain and the traitor were both poorly written and the plot really goes to shit when it stops being about actual teen rebellion and starts being about weird political conspiracy with boring as fuck villains. Still overall I probably liked it more than any of the other Persona games. I mean gameplay wise it's not even a comparison and although the story isn't as strong as 2 or 3's the social links were overall the best by far, minus a few stinkers here and there, and I liked the cast more than any other so far. Just wish I got to hang out with them a little more.
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It was everything I wanted and remains one of the few series that have gotten better with each subsequent release.
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>>375847450
That's all Personas you idiot. There's only a few exceptions, including one in P5 with Mishima who you can call an idiot (and somethings it's the one choice even with 3 options). Actually the Moon SL in P3 and P4 is like that too, maybe that arcana just likes abuse.
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>>375846413
I was looking for something like this.
Do you have one with the attacks that target everyone like blazing hell and morning star?
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My only issue was shidos palace. It felt extremely rushed and unintuitive

>they reused the same shitty rat puzzle like 4 times
>whole thing is basically rat puzzle, boss, rat puzzle, boss, rat puzzle boss etc.
>the halls in the rat puzzles were really long just to make it take a long time to get from the switches to the rooms and back
>rat puzzle hallways had enemies patrolling up and down with almost nothing to hide behind
>as a result had to wait a long time for enemy finish its path and turn around to ambush
>entire thing was incredibly linear
>safe rooms placed inconsistently
>the dungeon itself destroys the thief theme, you just walk in and start talking to people and battling random shadows without even trying to act sneaky about it
>essentially just walk right up to the bosses and say hey bro lets fight so i can progress
>last part just throws you into the akechi fight with no warning after facing a different boss
I haven't actually finished yet I'm about to send the calling card, but I don't think anything can redeem this dungeon. Which sucks because I loved pretty much all of the others besides okamura
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>>375837645
>rushed development despite multiple delays
>OST is below the previous games
>too easy and the Slink abilities some characters have literally break the game
>also too easy to max out all links on your first playthrough
>too plot-focused and not character focused
>sp management is a joke
>costumes are paid DLC instead unlockables like Golden or regular armor.
>fucking Goro
>ending isn't as memorable as the other 2

My GOTY, but could have been better.
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>>375837645
>The game has a very VERY bad habit of telling and not showing
>More like showing, telling, telling again, then three days later telling once more
>Too easy
>Bosses were very unoriginal
>Too little time to social link
>Team has the IQ of a crackerjacks box
>Mudo Hama random crit follow up attack one shots but anti mudo and hama items are not available early on

Still a good game, added a lot more good mechanics to the series. Still isn't as good as 4 which wasn't as good as 3.
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>>375848272
Any game in development for 9 years is gonna be a trainwreck. There is basically no exception, and the longer the wait, the more they have to scrap. I would say the current Persona 5 was in development for ~3 years.
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>>375837645
Drags too much in some areas, especially talking regarding operations and most of the dungeons.

Villains after Madarame are lacking due to lack of interaction with them. They should have made scenes of them on tv or something.

Bad pacing makes you lose several days consecutively rather than spacing them.
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>Festival was rained on, Hawaii sucked (except for Kawakami Date), School festival sucked.
>Basically no fun character interactions after Makoto came in, outside of cellphone texts.
>Haru came in too late, not even any interactions with her during school before her father's palace
>Stupid cat not letting me play video games or watch dvds (the entirety of July comes to mind)
>Good gameplay features locked behind confidants (Switching out Party Members mid battle)
I still enjoyed the game though.
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I wish there were more acknowledgements you were dating someone. It feels as if the game just acts as if you're single a lot.
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>>375848386
Shame because I would rather have the 2014-2015 version than the one we got
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>>375848386
It's pretty clear they they've worked on it since Catherine and anything before that must have been some thinking about the setting and theme should be that was also thrown out thanks to the 2011 earthquake.
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>>375849000
That's a problem with all the Persona games. They can't have Social Links impact the story too much so every thing you do with basically takes place in another dimension. It's really fucking dumb. It's especially annoying when your friends are making jokes about being single all the time despite fucking half of them every day for the last month.
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The whole "extra turn" system is honestly a shitty fucking mechanic.

First playthrough, hard; and the game is basically a total cakewalk until you get one stroke of bad luck, then you're dead. There's just no nuance, either you're completely stomping the opposition or you get absolutely anally destroyed in seconds.
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>>375849719
This is the reason I am mostly done with social links after 5.
Give me less choices but tie them into the story and have them actually affect it.
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>>375837645
Not much.
Stealth should have been more complex/harder though. Instead it just makes ambushing enemies even easier, and the security level is never a problem.
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>>375837645
Inferior characters
Somehow even more childish than 3/4
A rushed and mediocre translation which is widily variable in quality (maybe the reason some of the characters felt worse as because they read like ESLs wrote their scripts)

I think the biggest overlying issue has to do with the second point, though. Persona's fanbase has grown up by now, there was a significant amount of time between the last installment. But Persona 5 didn't mature with us. I'm not asking for them to go in the complete opposite direction with the series, but transition away from the eye-ball rolling plot and drama. I think most of us (at least, I hope) are past the melodramatic teenage schlock.
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>>375840090
>she mad an impact on my heart
Her forehead can impact a nail like a hammer.
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>>375850492
It really does suck. I hesitate to use Mass Effect as an example of something good since I hate that series but at the very least your relationship with your crew affects the story. People live and die depending on whether or not you boned them. Persona 5 is better about than the last two games by having confidants interact with each other occasionally and sometimes show up the story but it's still really fucking disappointing.
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>>375851076
Kek'd
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>>375850970
Whatevet you want to call it, doesn't mean older people can't enjoy it.
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Persona was never good
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>>375837645
Besides the music, it's basically like reading a book.
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getting the game this weekend
what confidants should I get the quickest/prioritize?
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>>375853404
Temperance, Sun, Fortune, Priestess.
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>>375853404

Fortune, Death and Temperance.

Death gives you access to SP recovery accesories that let you do dungeons in 1 day. Temperance allows you to do things that would otherwise consume time like making tools, coffee, laundry (and her best ability when you max her out allows you to do other things after doing a dungeon), while Fortune allows you to increase affinity with other confidants without hanging out with them by paying a fee; eliminating those lull "Our relationship might not yet grow just yet" moments. She also increases the points earned when stat boosting for a certain fee.

Bonus goes to Sun and Moon. Sun makes negotiations and money farming easier, while Moon nets your backrow net equal exp gained as your main party.
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Fuck i wish the protag talked more. He's got a voice just fucken use it.
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>>375854172
Sun and Moon are also basically automatic.
No need to bring a corresponding Persona for either and you can answer whatever the hell you want.

Also keep in mind that you need a certain amount of Guts to even start Death and Temperance.
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>>375837645
Ann doesn't get naked.
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>>375842148
>>375842029

Ryuji and Ann hair work on everyone.

Makoto with Haru hair looks genuinely disturbing.
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What you guys call flaws, that's why I like Persona, except the first 2 since I hear not like the "real" Persona games.
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Not long enough desu
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>>375837645
Needed more bro moments with ryujii. Also why the fuck was mishima so pathetic.
>h--h-he's my bestfriend
fuck me that guy was a faggot
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>>375837645
Literally generic shonen story structure and presentation.
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>>375839794
>game concludes too early
I hope you mean by calendar date, it's fucking ~100 hours long.
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>>375848127
>I haven't actually finished yet I'm about to send the calling card, but I don't think anything can redeem this dungeon.

The boss battle will redeem it.
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>>375855287
Shido's boss battle was amazing.
Better than the final boss, IMO.
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>>375848336
>>The game has a very VERY bad habit of telling and not showing

I wish they'd learned from Persona Q. That was just as bad.

>The whole time, Rei was dead!
Okay, that's cool, didn't see that comi-
>And that's why she was so naive, and this is why she was so hungry all the time, and this is why all the labyrinths past the first one happened, and this is what all her guardians were, and-
SHUT UP
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My only problem with it is too much talking in the dungeons that cannot be fast forwarded
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>>375837645
What went wrong is that Murricans are too dumb to know it's Niijima and not Nijima so it's harder to look for art.
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>>375855395

Metaverse, son
Don't fuck with this prime minister
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>>375838771
Fuck I hate when bosses do that.
"Watch out it's charging!"
*Guard x4*
"It's still charging!"
FUCK! MY TURN!
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>>375842148
>every girl is best girl with futaba hair

reely mages chu ding
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>>375855395

Shido's fight felt climactic. Great first phase with a new track, then Senator Armstrong comes in with a lyrical arrangement and it's all so good.

Meanwhile the final boss reuses Shido's theme for its 3 first phase rehashes, then its second form is basically Madarame Mk II.
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>>375842148
makoto hair an dfutaba hair look good on everyone, haru hair is ugly as sin though
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>>375855614

I also got pissed off at Kaneshiro's fight.

>Boss is at a sliver of health left
>JOKER YOU NEED TO THROW AN ITEM
>Or I could just kill it
>NO THROW AN ITEM
>Ryuji throws a bead to distract him
>Kill him literally next attack
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>>375855614
>Do Shadow Okumuro's fight for the first time
>Ohey he's got a charge attack too like the Sphinx, okay guess I'll heal and cure all this hunger status on everyone
>He does Big Bang Challenge immediately after
>Die
Fuck
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>>375841368

>FFL

'Freshly Fucked Look'

>Making her do the 'Walk of Shame' to get back to get dorm.

Shit is SO cash.
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>>375855704
Final boss was pretty dull. By that point in the game, anything could be defeated by Triple-upping stats, charge/concentrate, area attacks, with Makoto casting Mediaharan every few turns. I didn't even worry about the repel that some of the arms had.
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>>375855075
but p2EP is the best written game in the series
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>>375855852

The repel was negated too by the fact everyone had ultimate personas. I won the fight literally by having everyone use their elemental AoEs with Ryuji occasionally using Charge and God's Fist.
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>>375855852

No amount of encounter design can alleviate that problem, it's the fundamental nature of the combat that is fucked.

They still haven't tried to fix it since nocturne and it's getting annoying.
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>>375837645
>I told you faggots that the cast wasnt as memorable as 4 or 3 but you didn't believe it. And you bought into the shill hype

now its time to sit back just sit back, grab some popcorn, and read you guys bicker back and fourth
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>>375856009
>No amount of encounter design can alleviate that problem, it's the fundamental nature of the combat that is fucked.

Eh, adding the two new elements and having backup party members get EXP kept general combat fresh. They just needed to be a bit more SMTish and have bosses pose more of a threat than they currently do.
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>>375856145

You were ridiculously wrong holy shit
Your opinion is fucking shit my dude
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>>375856009
Honestly it was worse in SMT4 where every demon had debilitate or luster candy and the bosses would just dekaja every turn. At least you couldn't stack them in P5.

Complaints aside, at least the combat is fun. The abilities are quick and fun to watch, and they don't really do too much if you're not hitting a weakness.
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>>375856145

I liked the cast more than 3 and 4 though. Even Haru and Yusuke.
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>>375856161

Smt combat is bad, like fundamentally. It's a very cookie cutter rpg combat style and press turns improved it a bit but it doesn't change the fact that if you can heal to full every turn nothing short of a full party wipe attack or AOE status effects poses any threat, and both of those options are lame and boring
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>>375837645
>What went wrong lads?
The fact that you can't just tell Mishima to fuck off and stop his idiot bullshit. Even though nothing really happened because of him I was still pulling my hair out waiting for his stupidity to end up putting either me or my bros in danger.
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>>375856246
What do you mean "even" Yusuke? He's easily the best character in the group.
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>>375837645
>5'3"
Jesus Christ
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>>375856434
That's a fucking giant in Japan though.
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>>375856379

It bothers me that Mishima only has 29% battery left with half the day left to go.
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>>375856525
I know but when you play the game he looks about 6". Must just be that everyone else is tiny.
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>>375856380

He's kind of 2 dimensional, and he ate up my ENTIRE SUMMER by consistently inviting himself over.
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>>375856537
Don't you carry a charger around with you? He's got a whole bag, I'm sure he does.
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>>375856664
You can just refuse him if you want though.
His SL only cares about the Mementos missions anyway.

>>375856657
Joker does seem to tower over almost everyone else, yeah.
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>>375856657
>Sae Nijima is supposed to be 6'0"
>ingame models Joker is taller than her
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>>375856664
Gotta mooch that free coffee.
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>>375851076
DELETE THIS
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>>375856657

so does that make futaba smaller than 4 feet ?
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>>375849789
considering the game offers you ways to make sure you're always prepared in fights, it's all about making sure you CAN handle getting skull fucked by weakness exploits.

use different characters, certain equipment can help, make sure your main character doesn't have a persona with a couple weaknesses on when entering a fight.
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>>375856850
I don't mind that much that she was late into the game, but why put her SL behind a 5 star stat?
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>>375856886
I'd probably say so
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>>375857046
Because she isn't very proficient.
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>>375856886
Character height is completely fucked up in every possible. Canon height is not a thing in this game.
But Futaba being like 4'10" and 4'11" is believable. She is an exhausted NEET with serious muscle atrophy cause she never left her room for years. It makes sense she wouldn't be doing much growing.
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>>375856434
>>375856525
He's not actually 5'3".
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IM GOING TO LICK MAKOTO'S BUTT!
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>>375857046
>5 star proficiency
>for fucking gardening
No game, I'm not buying your shit.
I had a little vegetable garden when I was fucking 5. If five-year-old me can handle that shit, then Joker can handle that as well.
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>>375837645
Could have more interaction events with the group but they always fix that in the updated version since it's just fan service.

Honestly I'm really satisfied with it.
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>>375857281
But did you grow super tomatos so powerful that a single one would reenergize your entire family?
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>>375856379
>Even though nothing really happened because of him
The entire poll that Shido exploited with Okumura was his fault. His poll at the end saves the day though, tricky
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>>375857462
>TFW Mishima has more plot relevance than all of the party members except Joker and Mona
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-whole Haru story arc, how late she gets in the team and how she's not affected at all for her father
-no closure in Akechi arc, we only consider him dead and never mention his existence again
-and this one is only a nitchpick, but the theme played during midbosses, it sounds a music ripped from megami tensei 4 instead of a track created for this game like everything else

other than those the game did everything perfectly, easily my game of the year if there is nothing else huge being released later
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>>375857448
No, sadly not.
I did grow the biggest fucking potatoes I've ever seen though.
And it's not like Joker is actually growing the damn things. He just asks and Haru delivers.
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>>375857741
>no closure in Akechi arc
So he could come back in P5C.
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>>375857741
Can't tell if that last one is bait or not but Keeper of Lust is straight up from DDS which is the best MegaTen OST by a large margin.
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>>375857741
>he didn't get the scene
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>>375837645
Fuck off.
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>>375857934
Fuck, do I need to do this to get his Rank 10 bonus item?
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>>375857281

>Not having 5 star on the easiest stat

Do you even make tools?

I had more trouble with Futaba since she needs 4 star Kindness which is the shittiest stat to grind yet I see nobody bitching about that on /v/
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>>375857897
I actually didn't know it was a track from other game, but still it's unfitting with all the other jazzy themes
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>>375858127
It's fake.
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>>375847885
nope, I made that webm myself and it took quite a while. I'm not even sure which personas have those attacks with more than 1 foe
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>>375857983
T.mad weeb
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>>375858278
It's not from DDS but it sounds identical to the music of that game listen to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss2q731UxQ0, don't tell me you haven't played DDS.
It has Yukiko in it.
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>>375837645
no h scenes
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>>375837645
>make a character focused 100hours long rpg
>90% of said characters are complete shit and can't shut the fuck up

>fusion system is only balanced by your cash as you can boost persona to lv99 in a day
>cash is super easy to max

>only thing preventing you to finish palaces in a day is your SP pool
>you can get SP recov item super easily not even halfway through the game

>all the girls are ugly and either dumb or mary sue, all the boys are made out of fujoshi dreams
>yet there is no FeMC option

>This thief group is almost always stealing things in self defense, story lack the mystery and suspense of past entries
>best girls are antagonistic or not playable

>anime cutscenes out of the ass
>but the realtime graphics looks way better than the anime scenes

>go to fucking sleep
>can't wake up

Also Soejima is a fucking hack artist and need to fuck off
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>>375858238
Actually, Kindness is one of the, if not the easiest stat to grind, as long as you're aware of it.
Give your plant fertilizer.
Preferably the expensive stuff. 3 points towards Kindness per go.
There's plenty of shit to do in the evening, and fuck resetting every time you only get 2 points from crafting.

I know I fucked up some shit but managed to max my social stats and get max SL in my first playthrough, so there's some leeway.
On the other hand, I wouldn't say no to an extra week or two.
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It's just astonishing a hour game like p5 cast was less fleshed out than some mess like XV's main party
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>>375845779
This. Gonna admit, was pretty pissed when the ambient music didn't change with the seasons like 3 and 4.
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>>375858543
>Also Soejima is a fucking hack artist and need to fuck off
Will he ever do art for the series again?
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>>375837645
There was no full frontal. hardcore, on screen hugging with sensei
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I actually thought shido's dungeon was my favorite. Figuring out what to do was pretty fun and didnt really take too long to get through. Enemies were pretty fun to fight as well. Boss was 10/10 too.
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>>375857934
>12/2.
Nice fake
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>>375858704
Nah, I agree with you there.
I didn't hate the puzzles/mouse sections, loved the music and the boss was the best in the game.
Was a bit long, but I could've just taken a break instead.
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>>375857934
Wait what?
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>>375858704
>Figuring out what to do was pretty fun

Yes it appealed to braindead tards like you who want to do the same shit over and over again unlike make dungeons as fun as Casino
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>>375858841
THE LAST ACE IN A LOST HAND
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>>375858871
Nice projecting anon.
>>375858841
Yeah it was a tad long but I thought it was fitting as the last couple dungeons were a little too short.
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>>375858913
>no option to suggest 'an asteroid' as his Palace
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5th palace as a whole was the lowest point of the game.
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>>375859142
Nah that would be Kaneshiro's, only redeeming part about that was Price.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnHqMeGR-rE
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I'm the only one who considers the Bank as the worst palace?
The cameras where annoying AF and the letter puzzle was retardly easy
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>>375859097
You know it's true.

You prefer a puzzle to be repeated so it's easy for dumb fucks like you to handle consistently

Kys
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>>375859261
I loved Kaneshiro's.
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Nothing,it's the best one in the series
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>>375859319
Do you always get so upset over video games anon? Its okay no one will know ur a casual :)
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>>375859345
Worst "girl"
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>>375859332
Why? It was a huge step down from Kamoshida and Madarame because you barely got to see the effects of what he did, interviewing some faggot at the school for a minute didn't make me care about him at all.
The palace itself also went on way too long and the boss was way too easy.
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Literally the worst game I've played.
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>>375859458
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>>375859261
Kaneshiro's Palace, INCLUDING the music, was great. Actually felt like the first true heist. Madarame's was pretty great too, actually, but Kaneshiro's was probably my fave, and you can beat it in a day if you play very smart. The only time I felt actually stressed out was playing it, because I forced myself to do it in a day and it was tough to get there in the end.
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>>375837645
The only thing wrong party outings, shit in 3 and 4 were fun and a step away from the plot while 5's outings were almost always more about the plot
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>>375859549
Where the fuck can I buy that kids hat
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>>375837645
You can't date men. I just want to fug mishima/yusuke/iwai
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>>375859537
/thread
Go home boys
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Rather than having Morgana tell you to go to sleep, have that be Protag's inner voice. Have Morgana tell you when you could still do something before going to bed.
Also, give more evening time slots. There's no reason they couldn't do that after all other forced daytime events since they were doing that with Futaba hang-out ones.
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That it had to end
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>>375859557
You can beat basically every palace in one or two days, depending on what the story wants.
You can get Death 7 before the 2nd palace.
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>>375859549
>>375859345
Seriously fuck this bitch

Worst S link of all time

Gave me flashbacks of my ex always talking about some other dumb chicks relationship problems. Why did makoto always drag you in to it?

Worst girl by far solely for this
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>>375841368
Should have had her show up without wig when you finish her S-link.
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>>375860023
Don't talk shit about my girl because of your personal problems
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>>375860141
I think Makoto is cool, but her SL was a bit of a disappointment.
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>>375860246
Yeah it could have been better i agree
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>>375860141
Your girl is fucking retarded and her only saving grace is being good in a fight.
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>>375860246
All the party members except Haru and Yusuke's blew.
Yoshida and Iwai's were the best.
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>>375859893
Just got there. Shit sucks. Now I have to go make real friends or something.
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>>375860301
She was the smartest in a group of dumbasses
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>>375860359
Why not kill them instead?
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>>375860409
That's not saying much.
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>>375860246
>but her SL was a bit of a disappointment.

Understating it

Shit was GARBAGE. Who the fuck cares about her retarded friend like is it her or Makoto's slink?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdDiHZiBtpE

This should have been the final boss theme. It's so fucking good
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>>375860409
She was smart because the game kept saying she was smart.
She usually just said things that anyone with common sense would've said as well.
I really wish MC got more lines or dialogue options. It felt like you were just sorta there for a good chunk of the game.
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>>375860439
I agree
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>>375860246
Makoto was wasted potential. Her awakening scene was 10/10, made me think she was secretly a foul mouthed badass under a good girl facade, but no, that literally only happens once.
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>>375860654
Hifumi should've taken her place as Sae's sister, she probably wouldn't have had that abhorrent mask either.
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>>375860594

No, that shit needed to JUST be Shido's theme. It was fucking amazing until they reuse it 3 times for Holy Grail.
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>>375860720
Instead you'd be saddled with a highschooler that acts like a six year old.
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>>375860779
>Not getting that the song ties in with the Christian symbolism present throughout the game
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>>375860779
Yeah p5 lacks on individual themes

Even Akechi couldn't get an exclusive boss track despite being a rival
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Why did people just stop giving a shit about Goro
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>>375860984
Neither did Adachi, they reused New World Fool. Although Rivers in the Desert should've played during the Goro fight.
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>>375860779
i mean they should have used a different song for shido. but yea, they did re-use it little much
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>>375849562
I wish they went with this AoA portrait, it fits better with everyone else's. The one we got is so generic.
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>>375860913

My issue is more the overuse than the choice of final boss. Sort of like how the lyric version of Life Will Change gets used for every palace post-Sae instead of the final climax.
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>>375861078
Meh p4 was shitted out like 2 years after P3, can hardly expect much effort.
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>>375860720
I don't know why people complain about Makoto's mask so much, I thought it was fine.
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If Futaba is capable of scanning palaces and mementos, why didn't she keep an eye out for any other people running around the Metaverse? And since the PT knew about the black masked figure running around in the Metaverse then surely they would wary of him sneaking around.
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>>375859142
lets make a fucking annoying dungeon with rooms you are forced to clean the enemies before running on a time limit and every battle have monsters that will suck all your sp, what could go wrong?
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>>375861624
>And since the PT knew about the black masked figure running around in the Metaverse then surely they would wary of him sneaking around.

The cast literally never took anything serious no point asking questions like this
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>my face when I hire my teacher to come to my house and make Molotov cocktails while watching me and my talking cat play Nintendo
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>>375857201
HARU IS SO FUCKING CUTE!
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>>375837645
Feels like there isn't enough to do despite being a 100+ hour game.

You're always busy but the content they give you is underwhelming. I shouldn't need to waste 10-20 nights in a sauna to get my charm up.
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That i didn't get to see Makoto doing cool shit in the opening
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>>375837645
Not much. Any of my complaints about this fall to the wayside in favor of how fucking good it is. Like, I can't even complain about pace and stuff given how much effort went into everything else.
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>>375845779
Persona 4 had a different (and really good) track for each dungeon. Why didn't Persona 5 get the same?
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Probably the worst setup for a traitor I've seen
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>>375862672
P5 does have different tracks for the dungeons, though?
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>>375861161
P5Q is looking good
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>>375837645
nothing.
Maybe it just lacks social parts between friends/members of the team. That's really about it.
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>>375862898
It's already registered isn't it?
What characters would it have? Having p4 and p3 again feels a litte weird imo
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>>375862782
I didn't want him to betray me. ;-;

He's so lovable.
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>>375840090
>She made an impact on my heart.
Get a load of this faggot.
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typical bandwagon gg
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>>375863118
Why are you so bitter anon?
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>>375862984
Bullshit a way for Iwai tae kawakami and sojiro to get personas and join the phantom thieves for a non-canon adventure
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>>375840090
I'd impact her cervix with my heart
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>>375863275
Iwai would actually be a really fucking cool party member, being ex-yakuza and all.
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>>375863409
That doesn't even make any sense.
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>>375837645
My only issues with P5 were:
>Ann feels underutilized by the plot after dungeon 3 or so
>Confidants still make no impact on the story. Not expecting massive changes just little nods and acknowledgement of things like which girl you waifu'd
>Haru is relevant for a single dungeon then just feels like she's just "there"
>Not enough "mo-capped" cutscenes. Too bad since they were usually extremely well done.
>Too little scenes dedicated to the Phantom Thieves just being amigos together.
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>>375859557
>felt like the first true heist.
That was Madarame because they actually had a plan to take the treasure and not just fight the boss. Kaneshiro's was the start where it didn't feel like a heist anymore.
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>>375863583
>Not enough "mo-capped" cutscenes
I feel like there were just enough personally. Too many and it would've been a slog. There's just enough that you get to see a variety but not so many you get tired of them.
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>>375863208
why is her forehead so fucking huge?and her hair style is shit too but at least she's better than that monster Fuuka.
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>>375862672

the dungeon music is better than the other games with perhaps the exception of Mementos.
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>>375863513
I love Haru!
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>>375863750
They are both made purely for bullying
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>>375837645
It's not on the Switch. I sold my PS4 and bought an Xbox One S.
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>>375863750
Her forehead is cute and her hair is cute.
>>375863798
Me too!
>>375863802
No they are not. Bullying isn't nice.
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>>375863828
Why
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>>375863714
Guess I just wish there were a few more, though I do suppose those scenes were saved for critical moments like awakenings so having too many at random points would've been odd I guess.
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>>375863851
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>>375863828
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>>375863884
Wanted a 4K Blu-ray player and realized that I've had the PS4 since launch and I've barely played any games on it that aren't also on PC. It's been piss poor for exclusives. Now I have a PC, Switch, and 4K Blu-ray player.
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>>375863779

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybaVWcH_zBQ

Try

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjuormKijYw&t=5s

Again
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>>375864127
why don't you start by posting better tracks
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>>375863884
>I should have known...
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>>375842539
Even for a persona game it's too much talking.
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>>375864324
Why don't you start by posting good dungeon themes from P5?

Oh, wait...
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>>375862672
What are you talking about the palaces all have different music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSbKbkRxDuI
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>>375864759
Is this bait
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>Enter desert.
>Makoto is just standing barefoot on desert sand.
Why doesn't she start yelling and letting me bridal carry her.
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>>375864759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtQfg5ktK6M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVr4QzdwjHQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcZKff0fLiI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6MlI2wZLlw >tfw the 1% that likes Sweatshop ;_;
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>>375855262
With 10 years of development it could have been longer.
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>>375865489
Sweatshop is cool imo
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>>375862672
What? All dungeons have their own unique track. None of them stand up to Heaven, but are better than the others.
>>
I was honestly disappointed with the terrible pacing of the game, lack of bonding events that weren't shit, cat acting as a surrogate for the MC, dungeons took a huge nosedive in quality after Maradame. Game felt like I was on a train with no brakes and it just kept forcing me into shit a lot of times. Also hated how palaces interfered so much with party confidants because they would incessantly ask to go to the palace or send the card instead of wanting to hang out.
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>>375864968
>>375865489
>futaba palace
god damn that guitar part is so good I spent a lot of time during futaba's palace just idling listening to the music
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>>375865489
sae palace was nanako dungeon all over again, just leave the game on to enjoy the tune
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>>375863671
I think there was a lack of horrifying revelations in the latter dungeons. Like Kamoshida and Madarame had dungeons in which there were these horrifying revelations, like with the Shiho torture room or the statue of disciples. While with the future dungeons, you get what you see pretty much. I felt more inclined to feel hatred towards them more than the other villains.
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>>375862782

The twist wasn't he was the traitor. The twist was that everyone knew.
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>>375864759
Kaneshiro's Bank, Pyramid, Cruise and Casino all had top tier BGM, while the only good ones from 4 are Heaven and Magatsu Inaba (Long Way?)
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>>375866091
I don't think anything can top Nanako's dungeon theme imo. It is very heavenly
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>>375865765
>dungeons took a huge nosedive in quality after Maradame

Why do I see this meme repeated so much when the best ones were Pyramid and Casino?
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>>375866971
It's because of the emotional impact. They had more shocking revelations and all that. The Pyramid was good in that regard, since you got the story from the Hieroglyphics, but after it those revelatioms kind of just dried up.
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>>375837645
>What went wrong lads?
I guess it depends on what YouTube asking.

>As a persona game
It's hard to find any complaints that are not reaching-tier. The best I can think of is maybe the story isn't quite as hooking as persona 3's is, but that's a very subjective complaint anyway. The fact is that at the end of the day, this is very much the definitive persona video game. If you're a fan, this won't disappoint. It accomplishes what it sets out to do. Period.

>As a video game in general
Of course, such praise doesn't mean it is for everyone. Indeed, this game is really only going to appeal to the same niche as the other games in the franchise. Now normally that would be a negative until we consider why. There's simply not enough "game" here. It's abfae cry better than say the last of us or certainly until dawn, but the idea that this is anywhere near even worth game of the year nomination status is laughable. It is what it is: a fun little experience to kick back with and play. It's nothing groundbreaking or even that innovative. It's one of the more entertaining things I've experienced all year, but nowhere near one of the best games on PS4 or gen 8.
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>>375867239
The hook for Persona 3 was probably one of the most effective hooks I've seen in video games. For a first time player, he is already witness to a teen girl with a gun to her head and then backing off, knowing nothing about what the gun actually does. This shock value was very fitting for Persona 3 and SMT in general
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>>375865489
Sweatshop fit the area very well.

Also, it's not my favorite song in the game, but if I had to choose the best piece of music in the game and why, it would be Futaba's Palace
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>>375866971

The argument against Pyramid was that the slide puzzles are really braindead and it was repeated 3x. Personally I think its a good dungeon due to atmosphere alone. People usually take into account layout or puzzle difficulty but atmosphere has the ability to carry something hard.

As for Casino, the complaint was that it was shorter than the rest.

The only unanimously "bad" palaces were bank and space station. Ship is polarizing mainly because of the mouse segments, of which I think was alright because there was actual threat of getting killed so there was incentive to be stealthy instead of rushing through it. It did overstay its welcome however.
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>>375866971
>the best ones were Pyramid

Don't EVER compare that average dungeon to Casino ever again, letting a decent OST delude you from that repetitive dungeon with the easiest puzzle in the whole game
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>>375867926
I enjoyed bank thanks to the music and the game letting me finish it in one day.
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>>375867926
The puzzles weren't anything too special in all the Palaces. I don't know why people keep talking about them.
The only good dungeon puzzle was Mementos Depths
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>>375867926
I thought the bank was wonderful until the vault. Which was the majority of the dungeon.

Even the space station was ok with me after getting past finding the right robot or whatever
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Joker's trench coat is fucking stylish, I want one.
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>>375838945
>Yakuza 0
>GotY

That was last year.
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>>375855590
>Metaverse, son
>Don't fuck with this prime minister

Fuck this election, I just want you dead
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>>375867926
>Ship is polarizing mainly because of the mouse segments, of which I think was alright because there was actual threat of getting killed so there was incentive to be stealthy instead of rushing through it.

But it broke immersion since you are supposed to be a thief sneaking around and yet you are causally talking with loads of people in your PT suit. Only dungeon to flat out make you not feel like a phantom thief
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>>375868114
>The only good dungeon puzzle was Mementos Depths

>babby floor puzzle
>good

Madarame's painting puzzles was the coolest one

>>375868352
Why are you people pretending Persona 5 wasn't the same situation?
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>>375855590
>played college ball y'know
>at some cushy ivy league school
>try University of Kyoto
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>>375837645
No PC version.
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>>375837645
nothing, best persona episode
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Casino > Art Gallery > Castle > Bank > Mementos Depths > Cruise Ship > Pyramid > Space Station
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>>375865489
Only Pyramid and Casino have good themes.
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>>375868368

To be fair, you only get turned into a mouse in ship corridors, the places where there are no party people. The people are usually found in the restaurant, pool, main hallways. You're supposed to be in auto-disguise mode since the cognitive people think you're invited to the ship as well with the mask and all.
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>>375869031
pleb taste brah
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>>375867704
Yeah it's a nice story point.
Persona would really work better as a book.
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>>375869281
Cool argument, senpai. Persona 5 your first Persona game?
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>>375867704
Yeah it was pretty intense. I'll probably always remember 3 the most fondly because of that
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>>375869252
>You're supposed to be in auto-disguise mode since the cognitive people think you're invited to the ship as well with the mask and all.

Yeah that's the part i'm talking about, everyone just treated you like a normal kid, all that taking to the guys with the letter was so damn pointless to since no matter what it ended in a fight
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>>375842307
would have been a better field trip than the TV station.

They could have worked in Akechi in there too "ace detective" meets with Naoto in Inaba to discuss detective things, kids visit local farms and shit.
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>>375869382
This isn't an argument. I'm just pointing out your shit taste if you think those are the onlyngood themes
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>>375869653
They're the only good dungeon themes, yeah.
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>>375869382
I played all of them and he's right your taste is terrible my dude
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>>375869548
>Hey can we have a letter of introduction?
>Do a wacky scene for me
>We did the wacky thing
>Great. Here's your letter, feel free to leave! By the way, [thing character cares about] is shit, am I right?
>FUCK YOU LET'S FIGHT
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>>375870520
>>Great. Here's your letter, feel free to leave! By the way, [thing character cares about] is shit, am I right?

This is why the cast is shit to me, never thought once to put their personal problems aside for the team like just walk away, they aren't even real
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>tfw Akechi won't dance for you
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>>375871653
>shitty Tumblr quality gif

It doesn't do best boy and best dance justice.
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I need some clips with audio from the game, are there some playthrough on youtube with no lets play commentary bullshit?
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>>375872757
How about you go there and find out for yourself?
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>>375866868
Secret Base is the best dungeon track from 4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GEINKRSOXY
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>>375839794
>played with dub
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>>375874672
*tips fedora*
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>>375859537
>>375859780
(You)
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>>375868664
That's a good thing.
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>>375872757
At least try looking before you ask.
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>>375855614
Shadow Teddie also pulled this shit in 4.
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PC port when?
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>>375876590
Don't make me say it anon find the answer in your heart you can do it face yourself
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>>375876590
You'll never see it coming
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Okumura's dungeon was so horrific. I'm so glad I got past it. It was easily the worst part of the game for me.
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>>375877002
where's the healer on this team
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>>375877279
Lady Ann
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>>375837645
There's a few notable flaws but I don't think I'll nail them all in one go.

There's a lack of vocal tracks.
There's a lack of group events. The Hawaii trip was absolute garbage and we should have seen more of the Destiny Land thing before everything got fucked.
Some of your party member's confidants are just not very good. Makoto's and Ann's could have been much better.
Haru's entire character is fucking pointless. They introduced her but gave no time for her at all. The game acts like she's been a member for quite some time and it feels unusual. Even her design is NPC tier.

The villains in general were just kind of shit. Kamoshida and Shido were entertaining because they're just such massive shit heads where the player gets excited to bash their heads in, but even with that, a lot of the villains felt evil for the sake of being evil. That SIU Director or whatever was just so fucking obnoxious every cutscene he was in, and then he gets killed off out of nowhere. What's the point of having this character be like "OH YES, I AM SO OBVIOUSLY EVIL, LISTEN TO THE WAY I SAY THINGS DURING THIS CUTSCENE." and then just getting rid of him? It's pointless.

We totally needed to have a few extra playable months, but I don't know how they could squeeze something like that in when the protagonist is literally in juvie after the final boss.

Also apparently Hifumi was planned to be a party member but we didn't get her because the game would be too long. Why the fuck would it matter if the game was longer, exactly? It's already 100+ hours for most people. They should have just gone all out with it. I'd like you to find me another single player game that has a story that takes you over 100 hours, be my fucking guest.

Overall I really enjoyed the game, and if they release an updated version of it, I will gladly play the shit out of it.
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>>375877484
>There's a lack of vocal tracks.
That's not a flaw.
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>>375877050
>>375877135
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>>375877279
here
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>>375877413
she's a shitty healer though. drop the heals and stack fire boosts for major deeps
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>>375877234
I kinda liked the music. It was the worst dungeon but I don't get the hate it receives.

Best dungeon was easily Madarame's though.
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>>375877590
She's shitty in general since Phys/Gun is much better than Magic but in that team she would be the only one who could heal unless Joker has Mediarahan.
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>>375877674
I see you're a man of the fine arts as well anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUfIz2LqHWg
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>main source of damage at end game is just charged god hand from Ryuji with the rest of the team supporting that with heals and heat riser and debilitate
Is this how it ends up for most people? I did use Morning Star a lot against the final boss to get rid of the arms though
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>>375877559
Three of the tracks I heard most often during downtime were Tokyo Daylight/Tokyo Emergency and Behind the Mask.

Those songs were like 50% of the game. I don't necessarily mind it, but it's not very memorable compared to some of the vocal tracks we got in P3 and P4.
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>>375877864
Haru does a lot with One Shot Kill and Cripple and my Gabriel and Mot did work too.
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>>375877952
>vocal tracks in P3 and P4
>good
Signs of Love is the only good one, anything is better than being in downtown Tokyo and not having to hear WITHERED FLOWERS on loop for twenty minutes.
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>>375877864
Ryuji charges, Ann Concentrates, and Makoto heals us.

Meanwhile Joker charges and uses Hassou Tobi to eat ass.
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>>375877953
When I didn't need to use debilitate or morning star I used charged god hand with the MC too, it seems like nothing can beat that (didn't bother getting yoshitsune)
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>>375878026
Heartbeat, Heartbreak is great.
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>>375878095
Don't you need a bunch of confidants maxed for Yoshi anyways?
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>>375878220
Magician which is Morgana's so it's automatic and strenght rank 5 i think
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Is Satanael supposed to be another aspect of Satan? It kinda has to be, since you fought all the angels in the final dungeon and satan rebelled against god/angels just like the phantom thieves rebelled against power
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>>375878026
>Not loving YOUR AFFECTION YOUR AFFECTION

I mean shit man, I guess. I just feel like if they added maybe one or two more vocal tracks during days where you're just running around Tokyo, it would certainly add a lot more.
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>>375878537
I agree with you that would've been really nice
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>>375878450
Satanael is a Lucifer-like entity that rebelled against Demiurge (also known as Yaldabaoth) upon learning he was a false god.
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Anyone else wish there was a dedicated "slap Ryuji" button? Just something so I can hit him in the back of the head when he's being dumb.
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is it just me or does the plot of every persona game boil down to "the world is ending because everyone secretly wants to die, but not really"
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>>375878706
You would kill him
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>>375878706
Why would you ever hit Ryuji, THE BALLER PHANTOM THIEF while he's living his effin' sweet life as ONE OF THE PHANTOM THIEVES?
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>>375878794
>TFW you haven't told someone you're a Phantom Thief in the last 5 minutes
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>>375878739
Well the first Persona games are a little different.

In that only a few want everyone to die.
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>>375865489
Sweatshop is only fun for a few minutes.
After the first are of the palace I was already tired of it.
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>>375878706
I want to slap his cute pink butthole
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>>375875783
no
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>>375855590
>We're making the mother of all pancakes, Goro! Can't fuss over every egg!
>>
negotiations were barebones compared to other games in the series that had those mechanics. It feels really shitty to have another character tell me that I'm too tired or that I don't want to do something instead of going the fuck to bed because "plot happened today so fuck it if you wanted to do anything else". Parts of the story completely hinged on characters acting like complete and utter retards. Difficulty was completely fucked. Haru's hairline.
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>>375872373
Why is he so perfect?
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Does rain affect Palaces? If so, how? Does it affect Mementos the same way?
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>>375879170
>Reddit
>Phoneposter
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>>375878739
You have to thank psychology for this one
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>>375837645
>comparing vanilla P5 with 2 remasters

Just wait for the rerelease before making stupid threads.
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>>375880274

Rain does not have any affect on Palaces. It does affect Mementos (Morgana claims "tougher enemies") but really the only things that affect Mementos are pollen and flu season.
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>>375880274
>Does rain affect Palaces?
No.
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>>375860594
Good dungeon theme but I just can't see this as a battle theme
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>>375880950
>really the only things that affect Mementos are pollen and flu season
Rain increases chance of treasure monsters and chests.
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>>375848127

The boss battle is good but the dungeon itself could be better. I think the last portion of the game could definitely be better. But the game was already pretty long, so I guess I can understand why the ending's a brick wall.
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>>375860594
The final boss theme should have been a special version of Life Will Change. Go read the lyrics and tell me that doesn't fit the battle to a fucking T.
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>>375881273
This should've been the final boss theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0IDL5XWQVo
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>>375881104
The beginning reminded me of DDS soundtracks. And then the vocal came and I just focused on Shido.
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>>375877234
Okumura's dungeon was the only dungeon I got burmed out in and just bum rushed it after during the assembly line.
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>>375860313
>Harus S Links
THIS MANAGER IS HAPPY MY DEAD DIED, HE MUST BE A BAD MAN.

Bitch literally everyone in that company is happy your retarded fucking dad died.
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What the fuck? Just fought Shadow Sae and I spent like half an hour spamming buffs+severe phys attacks and she uses desperation and instakills me. How do I speed up the kill process? Just use a persona with repel gun and phys? I really dont want to spend so much time chipping health next time
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>>375881978
>he didn't finish it
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>>375863583

Haru should have been the high life connections. Maybe let Haru figure out who Shido is instead of having them figure it via akechi saying it like an idiot
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>>375881978
Delete this right now.
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>>375868139

Yeah, the vault kind of dragged. Especially because the theme changed a little for the worst too.

I also wish that the palaces destabilized like Kamoshida's towards the end. I enjoyed the 'surreal'ness of it, made it feel more like someone's mental world.
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>>375870785
>>375870520

You get the letter of introduction and then you beat a bunch of incriminating information out of him. The fight wasn't necessarily pointless since they can always not give you a letter, then you're fucked.
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>>375838771
Had almost the shit happen to me, with the only change that futaba casted final guard instead of a miss.
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>>375882095
I did and I had a suspicion the old man was going to be a bro from how polite he was when he showed up.

But Haru whining that she heard he was happy her dad died was ludicrous considering we went through his palace and saw how much of a shithead he was to his company.
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>>375881691

I got a little burned out in Okumura's but it might have been because it was late in the game.

He easily had my favorite non Shido boss fight though. I love the Big Bang Challenge attack, plus "I will make you a delicious burger."

All the robots were kind of depressing but also funny at times. "A high school fiance. What a turn on."
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>>375882584
>He easily had my favorite non Shido boss fight though
I'm gonna need an explanation on that one, I thought the fight was pretty stupid it was just pressing a turn and then baton passing a lot.
Better than Kaneshiro though.
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>>375883071

The robot characters amused me, and I liked the concept of the minion mancers. It also let me cycle through my team in a manner that I found enjoyable I guess.

Like I said already too, the Big Bang Challenge attack made me laugh my ass off when I first saw it. Something about the animation and the robotic "I will make you a delicious burger" quote the executive director said.
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>>375837645
The only thing I absolutely hated is that they kept "game over on MC death"

It never made sense in Persona anyway, I can understand it in SMT since you just have a contract or something with demons and once you die they dont have any obligation to keep fighting, but your team shouldn't just stop functioning once you die in Persona. Even SMT got rid of that shit though with SMT4 so there's no reason for Persona to still have it.

Losing all dungeon progress or thoroughly beating a boss the entire time just to have to redo shit because of a lucky crit on the MC is infuriating.
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>>375837645
Characters aren't as good via development, and not enough events, otherwise its better in every possible way.
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>>375883330
Even DDS doesn't end if Serph dies.
>>
Who's /v/ favorite girl?
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>>375883330
It's the same deal as P4. The whole thing was supposed to be a "game" between you and Akechi, and MC dying = MC losing, recarm or not.
The real problem is that it doesn't change even after the final boss basically admits that he's saying "FUCK YOU" to the rules.
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>Only trophy I have left is the 250 futaba lines.
>It's NG+
>I'm almost at the final boss.
oh god please I'm begging you don't make me grind for this stupid bullshit.
It isn't my fault everyone dodges every single status ailment attack.
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>>375883660
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>>375837645
Its the Catherine of Persona games.

Catherine sucks.

Oh also.

>game that is a flashback
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>>375883747
i had same worry as you
then i fought twins, swapping in and out my members and got it
i didnt even use akechi at all, maybe got 1 line from him good luck
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>>375883867
How stacked do you need to be beat them?
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>>375883867
I already beat the twins and they boosted my level too high on accident.
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>>375883898
Not him but I was level 38 with a Yoshitsune with repel curse, absorb ice, regenerate 3/invigorate 3. I just charged, heat riser, and hassou tobi and just did those things in a cycle until they died.
Yoshi was level 92 with a focus in str/agi
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>>375883747
This is why you swap your party and grind mementos. Go find shit on floors that do ailments and swap them around don't forget to spam R1 to check weakness on people that don't have something to hit the weakness, let people die/get hurt and make a backup save. She has unique lines for the end boss, same for the twins go do that.
>>375883898
All you really need is Yoshitsune honestly. That dude is MVP for 2 games running now.
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>>375883747
I never got this, I got it without even trying a bit before Shido's palace. and I never switched and kept a Yusuke/Makoro/Morgana party until the end. What the hell are people doing wrong.
>>375883754
Would probably be a great girl since Sojiro says that she was as autistic as Futaba (or rather, Futaba is as autistic as her)
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>>375884273
People that get it easier generally are people who are worse at the game, not throwing shit or anything but you won't hear a ton of lines if you never give the enemy a chance to do anything, get hurt, or need to grind.
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>After you beat the twins you find out Caroline practices poses to show you and gets really excited when you arrive
>Justine blushes and says she misses you whenever you leave
TOO
FUCKING
CUTE
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>>375846413
>tfw severe Psy animation
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>>375884273
>>375884021
I do exactly that though. I even intentionally try to get people slapped with status ailments but doing 20 turns of seeing my party members dodge everything on hard mode DRIVES ME FUCKING NUTS.
Or the enemies just don't WANT to use status ailments and are perfectly content to spam physical moves on Joker with physical null.
This shit is ridiculous. I'm literally trying to penalize myself for a trophy.
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>>375884398
Their all out attack screen and lead up is the best in the game and I'm sad I never saw it in game.
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>>375837645
what happens in rank 10 of the waifus in romance option? I didn't get to max like 5 links because I didn't realize the last day to level them up
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>>375837645
Self-insert shit.
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>>375884679
You get a steamy hot sex scene that lasts about 3 minutes.
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>>375884385
I tended to grind without wanting to because I tend to get lost in almost every single palace (despite the map; the casino took me more than 10 ours, probably around 15/16 of wandering around), so that's probably why.But should it really matter if you don't meet foes with new moves/statut effect/whatever?
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>>375861036
Because he is a bad character and his only catch is memeing about how he is secretly a good character.

But lame memes grow stale after a while.
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>>375837645
The Social Link Bubble.

I can appreciate that it might've been a low priority for improvement compared to the graphical update, and that they did make some effort to poke at it by tying QoL Gameplay features to SL progression, but I'd still like to see the events of SLs affect character interactions and other events more.

Fingers crossed this is something they plan to tackle in Crimson or 6.
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>>375884563
Also find a floor where you can baton pass to your entire party and try to baton pass to someone who's already gone. I too sweat the trophy like mad until it popped. If you didn't use Goro when you had the chance you are in for some serious grinding.
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>>375884918
>implying they will change it

Nah its too much work

the fans already eat up the same game 3 times, why even bother
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>>375884916
I'm talking about the people in the game everyone was on his dick and suddenly they stopped giving a shit
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>>375837645
the railroading
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>>375877484
There will be an updated version, because there was news Atlus did buy a few domain names, one of the obvious was Ultimax, but another seems to be torn between two potential names they would call Persona 5 the updated version.But lets be honest we will not see if for at least 3 years.
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>>375885296
Basically a quarter of the game is about people being stupid and just followinf trends and the medias. What's hype right now is all that matters and that's about it. Kind of like 4 but in a way but without the midnight channel and all.
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>>375837645
One thing went wrong and it was not being SMT
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>>375885792
We've been over this, P5 is more SMT than Apocalypse.
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>>375848272
>ost below the previous game

just because persona 4 had a handful of good songs didnt make the entire OST good. At the least i'd say persona 5 has more good songs than 4 did
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>>375885893
I thought this part was pretty sick
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>>375857934
It's a fake, I can tell by the pixels.
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>>375886034
The music was good too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFgh6JJ1R20
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>>375857934
what the fuck
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>>375837645
Nothing Persona 5 had best girl who gave me some strong medication.
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>>375886213
>P3 has one cake you can't romance
>P4 has none but implies a few adult women are into you
>P5 has half the girls being cakes
The future is bright.
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>>375865756
>Heaven
Why do people like this garbage?
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>>375837645
otaku pandering trash
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>>375886315
wow i hate persona now
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>>375886309
Its the only "good" dungeon track in a sea of boring bad songs. P4's soundtrack is fucking trash outside of a few songs, The almighty, Mist, and signs of love are good/great. Rest is absolute garbage.
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>>375837645
The writing is honestly laughable.
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>>375886419
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GEINKRSOXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hng0Stc941I
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>>375886419
Give it time, Persona's tracks grow on you.
>>
I think we can all agree it was the best persona game.
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>>375886034
I would like to give an award to whoever suggested we should kill god again but this time they're 300 stories tall.
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>>375886536
I've had over 8 years, and multiple playthroughs. P4's soundtrack has aged like milk.
>>375886525
Secret base is terrible and Long way is okay, you got me there.
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>>375886603
I know right way better
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>>375885893
>playing Apocalypse
nice one
>>
The fucking need to repeat shit multiple times

>HEY WE GOTTA DO THIS
>YOU MEAN IF WE DO THIS, THIS WILL HAPPEN RIGHT?
>YEAH FOR SURE
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>>375886815
Don't you like beating up crippled people
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>>375886820
>the one time they weren't doubting themselves is when Okumura was going to die
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>>375886941
But he stands up to start the fight. Stephen hasn't been crippled in ages. He crosses his legs for fuck's sake.
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>>375887038
Yeah sure whatever makes you feel better
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>>375886620
You seem to forget 4 had the best social link music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLESWPUnVss
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No one will realize if you remove Haru from the game
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>>375886820
It made me want to wait until the last second to do the palaces, because fuck those annoying ass messages. I still did them in a day but honestly the second they started talking about "will his heart really change" I fastforwarded through them. They never advanced character development or were much fun to read.
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>>375883330
It makes sense. The MC in Persona are the leaders and muscle of the group. Once they get knocked out, the rest of the party is too weak to stand a chance. Also it makes it so you prioritize the MC's life over everyone else.
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>>375887118
Either remove her or introduce her far earlier. getting new characters so late into the game is insane. It's pointless padding.
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Goro.

I'm only at Futuba's palace but I figured out he was the black mask the moment I saw him.
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>>375869382
I'm guessing your first was Persona 4.
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>>375887223
Get a little further before you make your decision on that.
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>>375887223
Good thing that isn't the twist at all
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>>375849000
I wish there were a middle ground between barely acknowledging relationships and playing "pump and dump before s-link reversal" that Persona 3 devolved into.
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>>375887223
It was a dead giveaway
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>>375885993
5 only has 2 field themes. Way below the other games.
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>>375848272
>P4fags thinking their shitty game is better than P5
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>>375887445
It is though
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>>375887516
You have the worst taste imaginable if you believe that, P4 is the worst Persona game by far
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>>375887370
It's like people don't even try anymore.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEpWOGO3Lh4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rrDn52dGgc&t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwPZWVEDZxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPwlYiO6e9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmlCf7EuaXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2P_hqhu5rQ
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>>375887562
Because it wasn't oppressive enough, right?
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>>375887357
Honestly, just having some of the non-voiced cutscenes having special dialogue if you're in a relationship with someone present would do well. Or actually have your girlfriend show up to help out the phantom thieves in some way if you're not dating someone in the party.

Kawakami setting up a "Trip" for you so the party has a few days off before sending a Calling Card. Ohya interviewing one of the party members and splitting the profits.

it doesn't need to be much, but acknowledging it would be better than the party not knowing if you're dating another party member.
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>>375837645
The "You brought this on yourself twist" that they failed to capitalize on
>Oh no! Defeating Shido made the public despondent and now sloth is overtaking them for about a month!
>LET'S PUNCH GOD UNTIL IT'S NOT OUR FAULT!

Compare it to P3, where Apathy syndrome is seen occasionally all over the game until the last month where it's fucking everywhere. That's a much better way to handle sloth.

I think they just didn't give the twist enough time to marinate until they decided to punch god and solve it.
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I still don't really know what acid jazz is.
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>>375887825
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6lDGgs7jAc
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>>375887672
>worst main cast
>worst story
>worst dungeons
>worst villain (Izanami, not Adachi)
>simplified the combat by removing attack types
>literally ruined the Persona canon with half a decade of shitty spinoffs
P2 does story and characters the best, P5 does gameplay the best, P1 and P3 are okay in their own ways, P4 is a fucking abomination in comparison.
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>Need the passionate listener trophy.
>Start not healing teammates when they're at low HP.
>Get the trophy.
Let that be a lesson to you who care about your friends.
Don't.
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>>375846204
anon that was a youtube LP playlist...
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>>375887943
If P4 is good at anything, it's character interaction. The characters themselves weren't fantastic, but their interactions with each other were certainly charming.
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>>375887943
>TV World
>Worse than Tartarus
This meme needs to end, 3 is better than 4 in just about every way but sure as fuck not """dungeons""".
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>>375887445
I enjoyed 4 more and it isn't even my favourite Persona. Don't be bitchy because you can't accept 5's flaws.

>>375887615
Only Tokyo Daylight, Emergency, and Beneath the Mask are field themes. You don't know what a field theme is. Persona 4 has 4, 5 has 3, 3 has 6.
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>>375888143
Sunset Bridge is objectively a field theme, looks like you didn't get to the end of the game. Nice try P4toddler.
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>>375888086
The only thing Tartarus is better than P4 dungeons in is music. Each section adding a new instrument to the music for Tartarus was awesome
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>>375837645
Too many "Non-standard" Confidants/S-Links and "Gating" of of them.

I mean Fool, Magician, Justice, Chariot, Moon and Judgement are basically all set in stone only with Moon as the outlier because you need to spend time to upgrade it but it will ALWAYS upgrade when you do so, this means that all these arcanas are useless to keep around in the "everyday life" parts of the game, futhermore even other ones are outright prevented from upgrading at times, like the Chariot Drinking Schedule and certain Requests that you need to do to advance being in Mementos areas deeper then you can access.

Futhermore new confidants are "dropped in" at a MUCH slower rate then P3 and P4 something that becomes incredibly obvious (and annoying) during New Game+ when the game becomes less "what do i want to do today?" and more "What is actually available today?"

I also consider GO TO SLEEP to be linked to the fact that we have more PLOT S.Links then ever, there just isn't any reason for more days (Because Confidants give stats and so many of them will progress due PLOT anyway) but they still wanted to "pad out" to the "year".
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P4 is a worse then P5 by just having Teddie and Marie.
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>>375887943
>worst main cast
>worst dungeons
One hell of a shitpost. The 4 cast have a better dynamic than 5.
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>>375888301
>Tartarus music
>good

Come on. I like the custom one that Fuuka provides though but the default one is very sleep inducing
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>>375888380
Don't forget this faggot.
Reminder people unironically defend him.
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>>375888330
>GO TO SLEEP
The only real issue with it is why the fuck dont you just end the day? Why give me back control if I am not allowed to do anything? Just have the day end.
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>>375888271
Nope just forgot that plays during the epilogue. Also forgot alone so 4 has 5, 5 has 4
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>>375888585
Well you can save i guess that's the only purpose
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>>375888490
Yosuke was an alright character. He's ultimately the one who brings the Investigation Team together by being the voice of reason. Unfortunately, the anime came along and had to make MC super perfect at everything, leaving Yosuke with just the butt-monkey roles.
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>>375888730
Why the fuck would you care about the anime
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>>375888620
Then you should know this also serves as a field theme for December.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4ybdkeXEDs
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>>375888393
By itself, yeah it's boring, but it was made cool the adding of new instruments on new sections of Tartarus.

Even still, I'd take boring over Kanji's "DUR DUR DUR DUR" and Rise's "SORRY I CAN'T MAKE THE MUSIC-" line being repeated right before another random encounter. Only good P4 dungeon song was heaven.
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>>375837645
Bad translation and >>375840801
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>People always shitposting about music
>No one posts the night themes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2P_hqhu5rQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAjZ0mJmN9g

Favorite tracks
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>>375888980
I got sick of several flavors of Beneath the Mask instead of proper different tracks.
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Why were Persona 4's non-party S-Links so awful? I couldn't even remember who the Hanged Man link was until I looked it up. And don't get me started on the Tower faggot.
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>>375888814
My bad. Forgot it because it was unmemorable as fuck and trash like Omen.
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>>375889172
Because it was Persona 4.
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>>375889172
I remember neither of them.

Ai probably had one of the better ones, even surpassing some of the main cast's.
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30 million yen OMG XD
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>>375837645
I felt like the story got kinda limpdick in between Kaneshiro's dungeon and Okumura's. Everything after Okumura's death makes up for it tho. The lack of social events doesn't really bother me since the cast doesn't need SoL shit to feel connected which they do through their tects, meetings and moments in the palaces. Beneath the Mask is great and all but the game could have used a few more field themes. Other than that, it may have my favorite soundtrack out of all the Persona games.
Overall, I was satisfied with it.
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>>375842148
I wish Futaba and Haru swapped hairstyles, fuck.
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>>375865756
Whims of fate > Heaven imo
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>>375889332
>since the cast doesn't need SoL shit to feel connected which they do through their tects

>Are we going to the palace, Joker?
>Great. Let's do that.
>I hope we change their hearts this time.
>We will for sure.
A+ character development.

The only good text was when Yusuke started infodumping about the wrong Medjed.
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>>375888383
I liked P4 cast "dynamic" better when it wasn't just "girls bully guys XD". I love the banters in P5, yeah even Morgana-Ryuji shit-flinging fights.

>>375888897
Wrong on both accounts.
The translation is okay.
Yusuke is not gay.
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>>375842148
Haru is better with literally any other hair
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>>375889450
All of P5's dungeon themes barring Sweatshop > Heaven
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>>375851538
Fucking when does your relationship in ME affect the story?
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>>375838213

It did get a little old. I don't mind the long periods of story or Confidant sections, but just the day-to-day banter... Ugh. every fuckin' day you have to hear dumbass rumors, then "OMG I'M LIKE SO WORRIED" texts on your phone, then a dumbass question from a dumbass teacher, then you FINALLY get released. Was it too much to ask for a bunch of consecutive days where you just start "after school"?
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>>375889450
Couldn't care for Whims. Felt so boring if I compare it to Heaven.
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>>375849789
Literally git gud
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>>375874672
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>>375858543
>mystery and suprise of past entries
I agree, I miss the mystery and suprise of Ikutsuki suddenly being a crazy cult scientist out of nowhere and the moon being evil. Just like I miss the mystery and suprise of Shelby being the killer in Heavy Rain.
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>>375890051
Why tho
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>>375890051
Rather be a faggot and hear Sugita, Fukuyama Jun, and based Mamoru Miyano than listen to ear grating english dubs
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>>375882576
>whining
>she mentions it twice
>And also mentions it's only worrying because he puts on a friendly face to her

Why do people post lies on the internet?
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>>375857741
>>375857814
Look all you need to fix Akechi's arc is have him be an actual social link and when you rank him to 10 He still doesn't stay in your party, but shows up to take your place as a testimony with him going to jail instead of you.
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>>375891089
>i rather listen to pig squeals then to listen to actual voice acting
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>>375887707
That wasn't a twist, it tied in with Mementos which you delve into and talk about since the start of the god damn game
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>>375891154
And your social links do what exactly? Try to bust Akechi out? Nobody likes him. Besides I like the fact that you go to jail, it made it feel like you couldn't just walk away even though your powers were gone and everything was back to normal. You still had to pay in order to use the justice system, but you accept that responsibility to save your friends.
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