ITT games that fail at understanding gun mechanics >aims

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>iron sights are for nerds

>lists AKS-74U as an SMG

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>oversized slide grips
>slide release is now a safety lever

>rainbow six siege
>AP rounds dont pierce armor

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>shove a clip into the bottom of a 1903

bump

I'm interested in this.

>>375761158
>clip

>fire half your mag away
>reload
>character charges the weapon anyways, wasting a round

Even Arma 3 does this shit

>>375761412
Call of Duty games don't

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>>375761357

>>375760035
I would think a better way of putting it is that developers don't understand gun mechanics.

I'd argue many don't even understand good game mechanics anymore.

>>375761412
Project reality doesn't, r6 siege doesn't. I won't play a shooter that does this

>>375761526
I'm aware, but Arma 3 calls itself a simulator then gets the most basic things wrong.

Also that reminds me

>empty reload SVT40 or G43 in CoD2
>doesnt charge rifle
>fires anyways

Every other weapon charges correctly.

>>375761540
Considering most game devs have never shot or even held a gun and simply think they're scary black death machines, you're probably right.

>>375761607
CSGO does this but CS has never had good gun mechanics so I figure it's just a CS meme at this point.

>fire half your mag in your M4
>reload
>pulls back the forward assist, somehow charging the rifle
>take out your rifle 30 times, charging it every time
>should have empty mag
>doesnt

I chalk this up to lazy design and stupidity mainly.

>>375761948
The way CS does it is a balancing measure.

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>claims to be glock 18
>no firemode selector switch
>sub compact frame
>full size slide
>holds 20 rounds (glock 17 can hold 19 at most with a +2 adapter, glock 18 holds 33)
how could you fuck up a glock?

>>375760035
Any bethesda games.

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every fucking thing this game does

>>375760035
>aims weapon incorrectly
This always confuses the fuck out of me, and I try to adjust on the fly for their incorrect use of the front/back post... and end up missing my target.

>>375761357
and then there's this fag

>>375761357
It is a clip you fucking spastic fat retard.

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>>375762294
nagant revolvers can use suppressors retard.

Far Cry 3/4

>D50 can hold 10 rounds without an extended magazine, which no desert eagle can do

Also a lot of games do this which makes no sense

>9mm weapon #1
>30 damage per shot

>9mm weapon #2
>shares ammo with #1
>50 damage per shot

Replace 9mm with any cartridge

>>375762294
Could have the same cylinder seal thing as the Nagant m1895.

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>>375762083
>glock 18
also
>doesn't have vented slide OR ported barrel

this always irks me because Rainbow Six modeled the G18 correctly back in like... what, early 2000's and most devs STILL get it wrong...

>>375762619
>>375762587

too bad it clearly isn't sealed then. sheesh

>>375761357
>not a clipazine

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>>375762294
It exists. Pretty fun to use.
Also, if you put a suppressor on the revolver in PUBG, it's still loud as fuck IIRC.

>>375762294
you don't know if there's a gas trap or not

the russian nagant revolver is the most notable

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/06/15/why-cant-revolvers-be-suppressed-or-can-they/

Any game where you can increase weapon damage with skills.
>after long training I have finally mastered the technique of making the bullets shoot harder

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>>375762669
thats an 18c.

>>375761357
it isn't a magazine

>>375762590
>>D50 can hold 10 rounds without an extended magazine, which no desert eagle can do
.357 deagles can have 12 but the D50 is specified

>>375760035
>>375760035
Fuck you CoD 2 was amazing. Yes the irons are inaccurate but that was to make them simpler to use, otherwise they would be obstructive shit and it would have unfairly nerfed the gun in what is SUPPOSED to be an arcadey, fun shooter

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>working parts are on the left side of the guns

>>375762587
not the same revolvers tho, retard

>>375762821
>Also, if you put a suppressor on the revolver in PUBG, it's still loud as fuck IIRC.
Turns out it was an M1985 and it can be supressed. Oh well.

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>animation charges M4 using the forward assist

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>attach silencer
>bullets suddenly become subsonic and range is significantly decreased

only two exceptions would be:
>using subsonic ammo like .45cal
>having an integrated barrel like pic related


this is an old meme of a myth and has since been put to rest by modern technology...
similar to how 9mm vs .45cal used to have a significant different in ballistics, yet nowadays it's negligible

>>375762896
I just assume they figured out +P and +P+ ammo exists

>>375762956
Standard for a current IWI XIX Desert Eagle .357 is 9 rounds http://www.magnumresearch.com/firearms/magnum-research-desert-eagle-357-magnum-black.asp

>>375762961
It's still dumb. Easy solution to this would just make the sight aperture bigger like what the Back 2 Fronts mod did.

Also why did CoD1UO have sprinting but CoD2 didn't?

>>375762989
They knew it was wrong. They did it that way so you could more easily see their animations and also partially to avoid having to license the guns.

>>375762919
right, but there are games in particular that list the weapon as a G18c, yet they don't feature a compensated slide...

my main point is that is annoying especially when developers got it spot on in the past

>>375763314

what the fuck

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>>375763314
ffs bethesda

>tfw RE4 does the same shit with several weapons and no one says anything because the games actually good

>>375763314
Why is Bethesda constantly doing shit like this and that one NV shotgun? Are they spaghetti coders? Like they couldn't even figure out how to make a train move so they made it a hat for a really fast NPC.

>>375763513
>100 round shotgun drum
>throw in 2 shells
>fully loaded

But RE4 didn't try to be realistic at all and whod want to sit there as Leon loaded 100 shells. That Bethesda clip is simply showing they don't know how to program single round reloading.

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>>375761530
>>375762512
>>375762937
>>375761357

>>375763235
you don't have to license real guns to use them in a game. you can however be sued if you portray a real product in a false light which could harm a company's reputation. so by not depicting actual products you can avoid that risk.

>>375763314
What the actual fuck.
I never got this DLC but this shit looks terrible.

>>375763862
>>375763314
For fuck's sake I remember that even fallout 3 lincoln repeater had a better reload animation Jesus

>>375763708
>that one NV shotgun
que

so say you reload your mag with one round still in the chamber, is there a game that allows you to shoot that round off as you're reloading?

>>375763740
It isn't a magazine and tacking an extra word onto your google search doesn't change that.

>AK
>loud as fuck
>slap suppressor on it
>suddenly completely silent

???

>>375760035
Anything by Bethesda.
>tfw they hold the Fallout license and will continue to forever and ever

>>375764040
Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter for PC, my dude

>>375764041
you're right it's stripper clip i just realized that

but at the same time, you can search AR15 clip and find images of a magazine

what google displays is not always correct was my point

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>>375763971
How does it fire, /v/?

>>375764171
Little grimlins carry the shells to the chamber from the drum.

I mean, I get why they did it.
The M1 thompson has perhaps the stupidest apertures ever designed in history. Most soldiers barely aimed with it because it was so situational.

>>375764171
That's not the NV shotgun.
New Vegas (made by Obsidian) actually designed a new shotgun because that thing was so stupid.

>>375764107
really? i can't believe i didn't notice that

>>375760035
>r6 siege
>acog scope is 2.5x zoom
>Model is clearly of a 4x zoom
why

>>375764310
I fucking hate weapons with tiny sight windows that block anything to the sides. So many HK weapons do this. They basically require some form of optic to be able to see shit.

>>375764425
My bad, Fallout 3 shotgun then.

>>375761936
Destiny doesn't count, the guns are space magic.

>>375762989

devs just do that because it looks cool

the left handed bolt action in FO4 is inexcusable though

>>375764484
because game balance

>>375764484
>Game has an ACOG scope
>it looks nothing like any Trijicon product

It's almost like they're videogames.

>>375764578
>the left handed bolt action in FO4 is inexcusable though
everything about fo4 was inexcusable. every single weapon except one i think had the ejection port on the left side of the gun

>>375764614
>game advertises gun accuracy
>fails at that

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

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>game has bayonets
>has a charge you can do while sprinting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNuXLu-LrVg

>>375764763
The vast majority of games don't advertise that at all. The only thing that maybe does is Arma, and that's more tactics than guns.

>>375764171
a conveyor belt from the magazine to the chamber?

>>375760035
>>375760147
It's not a misunderstanding on the developer's part, they just don't want to use the aperture because in close range engagements with fast moving targets aperture sights are far too much of a hindrance.
tl;dr it's for the purposes of balance

>>375761357
go away yuropoor.

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>>375764820
You don't do this?

>>375764171

the tube below the barrel is a magazine and the drum is just kinda there that's the only way it makes sense

>>375764864
I know that BF1 was hyped and advertised as realistic and then was some alternate reality fantasy version of WW1.

>standard british loadout was a german pistol with modern night sights and prototype german machine guns
>italians ran up mountains carrying heavy machine guns in full plate armor somehow impervious to rifle fire

etc

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>>375764765
>charging with other players in unison gives a buff
EXPAND DONG

>>375763194
>silencer

>>375765181
But it has no loading gate

>>375765216
I didn't see BF1 get advertised as that. Then again I really didn't give a shit about the game, so maybe it was. In any case, I think you should hold a dev to account if they actually say they're realistic, but if they don't I'm ok with them handwaving a lot.

>>375763762
well the makarov in default Shadow of chernobyl is fucking ass. even though makarovs are fun little russian guns that dont nearly suck that much ass.

>>375764171
>fires
>gas system pushes some spring loaded plunger to the front of the tube
>spring in drum pushes next shell into place in front of the plunger after it clears the drum
>plunger catches shell and pushes back to a ramp below the chamber where it's pushed up into the chamber to be fired

i dunno i gave it my best shot.

>>375765290
the best inclusion in bf1 is the whistle as the squad leader. it actually seems to have a tangible psychological effect on the people around me, like it reminds them that there are actual objectives to be captured.

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>>375764739
Lots of games do that, I guess some devs think it's more cinematic or something?

>>375765406
I can deal with guns not being realistic and such if the game has no intentions of portraying itself that way. Obviously stuff like Postal 2 isn't trying to be realistic, but BF1 certainly was being advertised as a realistic WW1 game. A WW1 historian even got interviewed about it and basically said it was nothing like WW1 at all.

CoD 1-5 were definitely attempted to be decently plausible and everything after that is gunwank 12-year-olds-idea-of-badass shit but still tried to masquerade as realistic with licensed gun names and everything.

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>>375765216
>we wuz landsers n shieeeet

>>375765696
It was never advertised as being realistic, what are you on?

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>>375762763
neither are nagants...until you pull the trigger which moves the cylinder forward, ya fuck

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>>375760035
>reloading an empty gun without chambering a new round
they even had all the complete reloading animations in the first game

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>>375765804
http://taskandpurpose.com/battlefield-1-may-grittiest-realistic-war-game-yet/

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>>375765857
bad company 2 has many sins, but it's the best battlefield game barring bf2, so i'm willing to let it slide

>>375765216
Realistic or not, it just bothers me that the games no longer give a shit about faction exclusive weapons, like the Brits and Germans having their own weapons.

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>>375765913
oh wow that sure showed me
except...
that article wasn't written by DICE, was it?

no?

so my point remains

>>375764115
Ok, but people who were saying it was a clip knew they were right and were using Google to support their point.

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>>375765913
oh hey, task and purpose, a website owned by the creators of battlefie-

also gone home is the most realistic fag runs away from home simulator ever

you know, me, the executive producer of gone home. totally, bro.

>>375765000
This mostly. Video games do a pretty shit job at capturing irons. That said the Thompson has a notch on the top for close range and a aperture for longer so it's pretty accurate to the gun.

>>375760035
That's why I play Onward

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>>375766102
“We always start with gameplay first. We look at that and decide what it is that we want to try to do. After that, we look to see if the history can accommodate that. In Battlefield 1 we’ve stayed really true to history and realism."

"I think of it as being like war fantasy fiction, but one rooted in reality."

-Robert Sammelin, senior concept artist at DICE on Battlefield 1

>>375765048
OH MY GOD
WHAT THE FUCK
You should really get that flooring checked out, it looks pretty damaged.

>>375761357
Stop baiting, /k/

>>375766180
>"I think of it as being like war fantasy fiction, but one rooted in reality."
there you go, dickhead, read your own post before you post it

or are the words fantasy and fiction alien to you?

>>375766180
oh i see, where it says "we always start with realism fir-"

>"fantasy"
>rooted

lol. ignore them keywords sonny boy

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>>375766347
>>375766359
>we've stayed really true to history and realism
>our game with be rooted in realism

>hehehhe, they never said it was realistic, kid, nice try, but DICE clearly said it was a sci-fi fantasy cyberpunk western

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>>375761357
>weak b8

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>>375766584
true to accomdating them, absolutely. did red dots exist? on anti aircraft guns. could history "accomdate" them being on bolt action rifles?

well it existed. they could of been combined. its almost like its

war fantasy fiction

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>game has a garand
>can't reload it until you fired all 8 shots and had the enbloc ejected automatically

gun autists are the fucking worst. literally can't even understand concessions to make something less fucking boring.

>>375766584
>some shit the senior concept artist said to a wanker from a no name website is considered advertising

also

>rooted in realism means that the game is realistic
I'll give you a hint: what he meant by that is that it is a game based on world war 1, which is a real event, using real weapons and real forces
not that the game is an ARMA tier autism simulator

>>375766753
Had they come out and said

>this is not a world war 1 game, it is an alternate reality fantasy sci-fi ww1 inspired game

Then I wouldn't have a problem

But they didn't

>>375766858
How is gun accuracy boring? Obviously if guns have infinite ammo or similar shit the game isn't trying to be realistic and nobody cares.

Any game with iron sights is basically shit.

>How about we add weapon variety?
>Nah, just make everything a sniper rifle

>>375766913
>hehehe this site doesnt matter because it wasnt from DICE
>post quote from dice
>hehehehe DICE who cares about them theyre nobodies they didnt work on the game lmao goalpost status: moved

Delete your account

>>375766938
>How is gun accuracy boring?
the classic one is
>WOW WHY ARE SHOTGUNS CLOSE RANGE WEAPONS THEY SHOULD HAVE HUGE RANGE AND KILL EVERYTHING LET'S IGNORE THE FACT THAT EVERY MAP IN THE GAME IS THE SIZE OF A SMALL HOUSE

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>weapon has tighter spread when you're looking down sights

stop

>>375767052
thanks for ignoring the more relevant part of my post
also please consider what is implied when we're talking about how a game is advertised

>>375767129
This is only a problem to me when the range is retardly short like in CoD where anything past 3 feet is safe from your pellets.

Also not every map in games is the size of a cottage unless you're strictly playing CoD or similar shit.

>>375767325
>someone directly from DICE comes to give a statement on the realism of their game and hyping up its various qualities
>not advertisement

Games journalism is pretty much only advertisement now.

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>>375766938
"I think of it as being like war fantasy fiction"

-Robert Sammelin, senior concept artist at DICE on Battlefield 1

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>>375762391
>expecting Japs to make a game that doesn't revolve around rule of cool

>>375764040
Ground branch lets you do this.

>>375763708
which NV shotgun are you referring too?

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>>375765216
Before it was properly announced all the rumours were that it was going to be a kind of alternate history steam/oilpunk fantasy game. How cool would that have been? Although I probably still wouldn't have bought it anyway.

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>>375767673
https://venturebeat.com/2016/05/06/ea-dices-lead-designer-answers-our-questions-about-battlefield-1/

DICE is really inconsistent on whether they want this to be an interpretation or whether it's historically accurate. You can find interviews where two different developers say two vastly different things. Even though anyone with two brain cells knows it's nowhere near historically accurate.

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>>375768304
that quote isnt really a contradiction. all the shit in the game existed, technically, just not actually combined. some of the guns had production models in the single digits, and all that, or sights came from aircraft guns that, EXISTED, just didnt ever get put onto infantry weapons and the likes.

saying its rooted in reality isnt any sort of indication that its realistic. its just saying "yeah, this shit could of been done, it was done on this other thing at the same time"

also anyone related to pr for videogames are fucking hacks pic related

>>375765290
TENNO HEIKA
BANZAIIII

>>375765628
just because it's in stalker doesn't mean i like it. there's also mods that fix it. maybe there's mods to fix it in fo4, but the game is so trash that it's only one of the issues i have with it

>>375768939
I didn't say it was good, I'm just saying it's not uncommon.

>>375768885
UUURAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>375764578
>>375763235

both of these are wrong, its a homage to counter strike. the game was inspired by valve games, just look inside the game data and you will see half life assets.

>>375764171
Gas goes into that tube below the barrel and pushes a shell back which shoots up a ramp into the chamber.

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>>375768810
Many of the guns DICE put in were only in development and never even saw a single day of combat.
It's an alternate take on history with DICE pushing guns that were never used in WW1.
If that isn't an alternate mix, then I get to claim MGS3 isn't an alternate mix of history either.

What game has the most accurate representation of firearms?

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>>375769530
it really is, im not disagreeing with you. fulton was a real fucking concept, just twisted a bit

>>375760035
Do people still play CoD2 online?

>>375761158
*magazine, but yeah you're right

>>375769915
Someone already did that joke bud.

>Battlefield 4
>9mm handgun does more damage than a .50BMG machine gun

>>375769848
Very few, don't bother buying it, it's like CoD4 in that 99% of servers are cracked

>>375770180
damn shame, thanks.

>>375769591
Receiver. It's more of a tech demo though.

>>375769591
world of guns I guess.

as far as an actual shooter or something goes, I guess one of those autistic tactical games like ARMA.

>>375761412
but that is because of A3's animation system, which can be changed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJyLJT5_agE

>>375761357
Masterfully done /k/ommando.

11/10.

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>>375771107
>tfw hitting the slide release after putting the mag in when reloading an AR15 in RL

there's something so satisfying about it.

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>>375761412
2007 called.

>>375765857
>Gun reloading animation isn't finished, hasn't even pulled the charging handle
>But the game thinks it's reloaded anyway and you can animation swap to reduce the overall time

I love game mechanics that add depth and skill ceiling to separate good players from average ones, but c'mon.

>>375767321
this

>>375771732
>empty reload, new mag goes in
>swap weapons before chambering new round
>when you swap back you only need to chamber the round rather than restarting the whole animation
It's a nice touch.

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Here's you controller, Bro.

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>>375770058
>.45 pistol can kill a soldier with 6 body shots
>.45 smg can kill a soldier with 9 body shots

>5.56 DMR does 50 damage as a body shit
>5.56 assault rifle does 14-25 damage as a body shot

>>375762669
Rainbow Six dev team now makes shovelware games while some montreal studio does Siege

>>375772183
I always thought that the shells were inside the drum

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>>375772221
>ww2 game
>1903 does more damage than the garand

I mean I know it makes sense from a gameplay standpoint but still.

>>375760035
>gun recoil is always a specific patterm

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>>375772531
that is not the fucking image I posted what the fuck mods

>>375761412
What's wrong with this?
It's not like it's the wrong thing to do, like how some games have the forward assist somehow work as the bolt.

>>375769530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLsqyphVERA

>>375772636
Stick around kiddo, you'll learn the ropes soon enough.

>>375772794
>It's not like it's the wrong thing to do
Ejecting a perfectly good round for no reason, in the middle of battle?

There's one chambered, no reason to charge.

>>375773139
But it's not an egregious failure with the gun, it may just be how the person using it is trained.

Take Snake in MGS4 for example, he always charges after a reload because that's what he was trained to do, they even have the full round eject and not just the brass.

>shoots a pump shotgun
>didn't pump by switching weapons
>switch back to shotgun
>pumps again

Dirty Bomb may be a dead game but at least it was made with love

>>375773639
Man MGS4 had so much gun porn and they threw it all away in 5.

>>375765216
>with modern night sights
They had radium sights in ww1.
http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?396926-WW1-Lee-Enfield-Night-Sights

>>375762590
A little difference in damage is okay if the barrels are different lengths. I'd agree that 30-50 is a little extreme though.

>>375761412
ARMA still can't into +1

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How the fuck does this retarded piece of slavshit even work?

>>375761641
To be fair ARMA 3 gets so much more rigbt that it makes up for those frankly bizzare shortcomings like charging everytime and no bullets in chamber recognition.

>>375775348
There are actual revolver shotguns.

>>375763314
I remember someone from Bethesda saying creation engine couldn't support single-bullet reloads. Then modders implemented it fine like a month later.

>>375775348
Reloading that gun makes my dick so hard.

>>375775498
>Then modders implemented it fine like a month later.
Even better, Obsidian managed it in NV years before

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>>375762294

>>375763314
The people of Boston must love the taste of brass.

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>>375775498
>engine limitations
>previous year
He needs some new material