How the fuck are grenades lethal? All they do is release compressed

Hundreds or thousands of ball bearings inside, mate.

>>375738272
They also release hundreds of fragments.

Shrapnel you buffoon

How the fuck are bullets lethal?

All they do is fly at incredible speeds and make a hole in you.

>>375738272
>grenades are just capsuled farts you can throw

OK anon

>>375738272
wew lad

>>375738272
>compressed air
Breath in too much and it can kill you. Sure you still want to be around a grenade when it goes off, nerd?

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>>375738339
I always thought that shrapnel was only the external shell and that there was only gunpowder or something like that inside the nade

shrapnel you retarded faggot

>>375738472
>capsuled farts you can throw
I wish I could make those. I truly wish...

I've literally never been to /k/ and I can tell a mile away that this exact thread has been posted on /k/ a billion times

>>375738495
Different kinds of grenades do different things. Both exist.

>>375738272
>concussive force alone can tear a body apart
>fragmentation for shrapnel shredding fun
>white phosphorus if you wanna cook a group

Even ignoring the shrapnel, the pressure from an explosion can still kill you. And then add in the shrapnel, hundreds of small metal fragments flying at you at really high speed.

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>>375738495
Both kind of exist.

Either way, the explosion creates such pressure, that it alone can rip human skin off and totally throw you off balance. Even a whole floor off.

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>>375738272
can i throw a live one at your feet and let you know

>how a bullet can kill its just a tiny piece of metal

>>375738613
>he never made stinkbombs as a kid

The increase in air pressure if detonated inside a small room can turn your brain to jelly before you bleed out due to shrapnel.

Is it true that if you jump on top of the grenade at the split second it explodes, it allows you to jump incredibly high with little to no harm done to yourself?

>>375738709

That grenade is a freaking cutey,would date.

>>375739098
No, you need something to absorb the brunt of the blast for you to pull that off.

Like a shield or piece of debris

What are some games that model grenades realistically? Most games just seem to have a radius drawn around the grenade that makes you take more damage the closer you are, but what about shrapnel?
I think I once read that the Russian F-1 grenade can send splinters flying for up to 200m.

>>375739345
I think Stalker models fragmentation. Probably Silent Storm too.

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>>375739098

>Americans make tools of murder
>thread full of Americans encouraging it and celebrating their tools of murder

jesus christ dude

>>375739098
Yes but a rocket launcher does it better. One of the main reasons people go to the army desu. You should try it sometime.

>>375739228
She's a bombshell

>>375739494
which documentary is this from

>>375739345
200 ft yes, F1 shrapnel can even be lethal at that distance. It was actually too powerful to be useful, which is one of the reasons it was replaced by less powerful hand grenades.

>>375739345
Explicit fragmentation is a horrible idea from game design standpoint.
It makes grenades a RNG-fest at long ranges, turning the game into a casual mess.

>>375739629
go back to watching cartoons with other 3 year olds and leave war to real men, this is no place for a diaperboy

>>375738272
You're full fucking stupid holy shit

>>375739629
Sir i think you do not understand human nature.
How do you think humans came to be on top of the food chain?
I am sure we talked our way up.

>>375739629
lol fag

MAKE IT VIDYA

WHAT GAMES DO GRENADES THE BEST.

WHAT GAMES HAVE THE WORST GRENADES.

I PERSONALLY LOVE PEACE WALKERS

PERFECT DARKS SUCKS DICK

>>375740047
I guess you could just up the range, though, and keep the damage falling off pretty quickly -- to mimic being hit nonlethally.

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>>375738272
There are many different kinds of grenades. The most lethal one and what you usually think of is a shrapnel grenade like pic related. It has a metal shell with grooves on it and upon detonation, the shell will break around the grooves and send small cubes of metal in every direction. The explosive itself is usually very small, around 1 gram of a fast reacting explosive such as hexatol, which is usually transported separately from the shell and is screwed into the shell when entering a combat situation. The deadly radius is about 10 meter and severley injuring to about 30 meters.

Source: military service and also work with explosives

>>375738495
Technically shrapnel are the ball bearing released with the explosion, fragmentation is the shell splitting apart and being dispersed.
But both are really mixed together now

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>>375738272

That moment you realize this is one of the only decent threads on /v/ and its not video games related.

Stop thinking movies do explosions right. Even if they didn't release shrapnel, the pressure from an explosion even somewhat close is greatly damaging.

Even more with large explosions.

video games

>this thread

https://youtu.be/ppQ8npI6x28?t=1m33s

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>>375738272
How the fuck are incendiary grenades lethal?

All they do is release liquefied gas, at best all they should do is light your cigarettes a bit.

>>375740047
one time in red orchestra (the mod), i threw a grenade all the way down the street and a fragment killed my teammate who was standing next to me

we both agreed that this was very cool. of course tripwire got rid of this feature in later games

>>375740047
>Explicit fragmentation is a horrible idea from a real life standpoint
>It makes grenades a RNG-fest at long ranges, turning war into a casual mess.

This is how stupid you sound

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>>375738803
>Had a libtard high school teacher who said that if he fired a shotgun from his seat towards the rest of the class (with the closest student being a few feet away), it would barely break through the skin because "it's just a little pellet"
He taught World History but gave us spelling tests for common as fuck words

>compressed air
Very fast and hot air is released. Also shrapnels. Mostly shrapnels.

>>375741574
Have you seen how people spell lately?

>>375738272
Here in America we fill them we dynamites as far as I'm aware.

>>375741675
lately is a pretty easy word to spell desu

>>375741675
l-a-t-e-l-y

looks fine to me

Also, overpressure

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpressure

>>375738272
>this triggers the /k/

>>375741851
Dynamite is actually finnicky and unreliable
That's why we use remote-detonated explosive charges.
My uncle once made me think modeling clay was c4 and scared me into thinking that if he dropped it, it would blow up

>>375739629
kys trip

>>375739845
Not 200 ft, but 200 m, man.
Also
>It was actually too powerful to be useful, which is one of the reasons it was replaced by less powerful hand grenades
is not true, they're still a part of arsenal of a soldier. They have a defensive purpose and are thrown usually from trenches and similar land structures and landscape features that can shield you from the explosion.

>less powerful hand grenades
These are RGD-5 I believe, which designed for the assault puposes.

>>375741514
Gimmicks like that can be "cool" occasionally, but once you get good at the game, they turn into annoyance and problems.

>>375741530
Real life would make an utterly terrible game, you fucking retard.
>hold x to take a shit
>spend 8 hours camping at sniper post because the world is huge and empty
>die because you were born in africa
Realismfags are a giant cancer - you cunts only ruin games, never make them.

>>375738272
Grenades that don't release shrapnel or fragments could be said to be pretty non lethal by anyone actually wanting to kill people with those.

The amount of explosives you can put in one is pretty limited so pressure alone at best can hope to do some internal damage to lungs if you literally have one slammed into your stomach.

>>375741530
>real life=videogames
great post

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HAHA HOW ARE EXPLOSIVES EVEN REAL HAHAHA
NIGGA JUST BECOME A CYBORG HAHA JUST SHIELD YOUR EYES

>>375739345

JA2

>>375742323
You are of course kidding right? A grenade's fatal range is something like 20 meters just from the blast alone.

>>375742582
Show me where it says it's 20 meters and what grenade it is.

>>375742187
no, you just had to make sure to throw your grenades where the fragments weren't going to get you. kind of like irl

>>375742645
Sorry that shoulda been feet

>>375742645
That being said though the technical manual on an M67 I was given said the blast alone was fatal, and I've witnessed the fragments embedding themselves in concrete from a 50m away with ease.

>>375739345
I remember XIII being sort of realistic with its grenades. Yeah, the motherfucking comic book game. I experimented once and tossed a grenade into a room. The walls were covered with several holes where shrapnel had punctured them.
I thought it was pretty cool. Not only does it cause an explosion, but it sends several projectiles in random directions. Probably far from realistic, but at least they put some effort in.

>>375739629
p gud tripfriend

>>375743019
>>375742745
http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA286212
Here is an actual study on overpressure.

>>375742721
>throw grenade
>all shrapnel misses the nearby exposed enemy because RNG bullshit
>hits your ally on the other side of the map instead
>this is good design
Why not add randomly jamming guns too? I mean, it's realistic that guns jam randomly.
And randomly tripping on the ground if it's raining.
Oh and change the movement to physics based bullshit.

Are you a slav?

>>375743251
>I AM SILLY

>>375743251
>randomly jamming guns
There are games that do this already.
In fact, STALKER makes your gun jam more and more as it wears down.

>>375743251
i'm saying that it wasn't really a problem once you knew how to deal with it

i might know a little more about a game i played for years than you