Is the 40k fanbase the most autistic and casual fanbase there

>>375696046
he makes valid points

>>375696046

Depends if you are talking about video game 40k or tabletop 40k.

>>375696046
Whats wrong with this? I don't see anything wrong with this.

As someone who stopped playing tabletop a few years back because the autists that fill my LGS: yes, yes they fucking are.

>>375696046
He states his subjective opinion, states that it's his subjective opinion and his comment might be useful for anyone that wants another DoW1.

>>375696324
i despise the fucktards who play orcs and start screaming like we're in a soccer riot.

But at least they're having fun, unlike op's pic.

>>375696046
He's right tho.

>>375696419
Fuck you you fucking faggot I hope your mom gets raped

>>375696419
>>375696659
Case in point

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>>375696046
>I wanted DOW 3 to have a viable turtling strategy
What did he mean by this?

>>375698649
He want to sit afk doing nothing.

>>375696046
D&D autists are worse

>>375696046
Seems pretty on point the single player looked like a disaster

>everyone has a boner for 40k while Warhammer: Fantasy barely gets any love
>They even butchered the whole setting with the age of Sigmar bullshit
Like I enjoy 40k myself but it's insane how much more love it gets than Fantasy even tho Fantasy is so much more appealing.

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>>375699239
This.

Ironically though, WHFB being blown up was probably the best shit that could have happened for it video gaming wise.

>>375699139
It looks fine to me. Just a tutorial for multiplayer.

>>375696046
>40k fans
>casual

Nigger those people take 'turbo nerd' to a whole other level, the fuck you talking about

>>375699339
Maybe he mean they are casuals when it comes to gameplay,
>whah, why everything is so fast?
>I just want to play single
>Where is last stand?

>>375696046
>Is the 40k fanbase the most autistic and casual fanbase there is outside of overwatch?

try league

>>375699529
oh well in that case, sure yeah I can see that definitely

>>375698942
That's how you play the campaign though. Even on hard.
Case in point - mission 15. You start, wipe a couple mobs with your orky mech of death, then get handed a fully built base with two resource points.
And then nobody attacks you. There's this big door that you have to blow up, until you do no enemy can attack you. So you just build a 250/250 army and attack move them out of existence.
Incredibly engaging experience.

>>375696046
I agree with his argument. Also, no last stand makes me sad

>>375699814
>So you just build a 250/250
Why would you do that? I've finish campaign on hard and I've never did that.

>>375699932
Why not?

>>375699239
Eh, AoS is better anyway.

>>375699992
That's just boring.

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>>375696046
>most casual
Most definitely not. Wouldn't a casual just embrace every new entry of the series with open arms, because at heart he doesn't really care about it?
>most autistic
The tabletop fanbase, maybe

>>375696046
disappointed there isnt separate campaigns for the most part. havnt checked recently but its only the shitty shield gen for multi still?

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>>375700016
I hope you get run over

>>375700120
>Wouldn't a casual just embrace
No. Casual just get used to one game and that's why he denies everything new.

>>375700204
He's right. AoS is a huge success.

>>375700204
Have you actually played AoS, anon? Be honest.

>>375696046
He's right, but he's retarded if he thinks this turd is more similar to 2 than 1.

>>375700320
>AoS is a huge success.
That's not what he said and also not an argument
>>375700394
I wholeheartedly refuse

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>>375700120
Fucking love Pert, he's so relatable

He is right about the Dark Crusade meta map.

I'm casual I have only played Titanium Wars on medium at most and still lose sometimes but even I can play multiplayer quite well in DoW 3.

Also, it is leaning closer to DoW 1 you retard. 55/45 granted, but still closer.

>>375700432
>I wholeheartedly refuse
Well there's your problem, then.

>>375700432
>also not an argument
But it is. People like it so it's better.

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>>375700435
>he and Girlyman are my favourite primarchs
>can never post in Primarch threads on /tg/ because everyone just assumes I'm baiting for replies
Well, I guess Sanguinius is good too

the copypasted DOW1 upgrades system is garbage. Escalation phases are awful and you can never manage your float endgame. Elites are cool but everything else is blah.

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>>375700494
>People like it so it's better.

>>375700579
So you have no arguments beside "I don't like it so it's bad".

>>375700648
But people liking it is literally not an argument towards quality. People also like McDonalds and microwave cuisine. And mind you, I never said it was bad, just that it's not better than WHFB

>>375700527
Not even the best heretical primarch.

>>375699274

That twist is so confounding I hope someone got in trouble for it at GW.

>WhF is shit just end it with age of sigmar
>Oh wow all these WhF games are making gangbusters big bux everyone's buying them up and are crazy about it. Shame we don't have a product to coax them into buying since we nuked WhF.

>>375700120

Fuck off girlyman not everyone gets the emperor's plot armor protection for their men when conducting bitter drawn out sieges. Iron pride worldwide.

>>375700527

If you divorce gullymane from his favoritism by writers he and the ultramarines are pretty neat with that whole roman aesthetic. Just wish it was more flawed Caesar and less golden-child Scipio.

I like Vulcan, Perturabo and above all Magnus the red. I should like the fists but their colors don't work for me.

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>>375700527
Eternal Crusade has really allowed me to finally experience Iron Warrior lifestyle

>Free to play so I will never afford the good equipment or advancement upgrades
>I really am mostly good for grinding against impenetrable defenses or running back and forth across impenetrable battlements
>All the while I can scream autistically to my heart's content
>THE WORK -- BEGINS
>LOOK AT ME PERTURABO
>IRON WITHIN, IRON WITHOUT
>YOU ARE NOTHING
>I AM THE EMBODIMENT OF HATE

>>375700754
>Just wish it was more flawed Caesar and less golden-child Scipio.
I like how he is basically flawless, the ultimate leader and prime crown prince material at first glance, but still has his flaws and weaknesses. At least in those works that actually give him any sort of dimension/development past the perfect part.

>>375700754
Reminder Magnus did nothing wrong.

He was trying to warn Papa about the oncoming heresy.

>>375700754
The Fists' color scheme is part and parcel of their whole self-punishment thing, you aren't supposed to like it

>>375700754
>>375700978
Their color scheme is the only good thing they got going for them

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Best colour scheme. Best thing of all? They are canon despite their god not being

I used this on every race in DoW 1 and loved coming up with names for them.

>>375701140
I hope you called your Orkz the Mal-lingerers.

>>375696419
>Is the whole community fucked?
>"Yes, 10 people at my local place are so the whole community is"
Anon I...

>>375696046
Really though, a system similar to that of Steel Division would have worked nearly perfectly for DoW3.

Base building and economy is unnecessary in those games if you don't have a DC/SS style map. And even then, only as a global system.

At the most you might want some fortifications to be buildable.

>>375701373
I just want a grand strategy.

DC gave me hope for something like that and SS dissapointed me by copying DC.

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>>375696046
I'll always see 40k shit as the western equivalent to weeb extremes.

It's like something you'd see scrawled on the back of some edgelord's highschool notebook.

>>375696046
That shit is so fucking embarrassing. I can't believe what some of those reviews say. No wonder RTS genre is dead.

>>375701503
Sure that would work. But Grand Strategy is not the most popular genre I guess.

Split the difference and make it a 4X?

>>375699239
>but it's insane how much more love it gets than Fantasy even tho Fantasy is so much more appealing.

It's not all that weird.
What Fantasy pioneered, Blizzard stole with Warcraft. People love Warcraft but because GW were dumb idiots at the time, people outside TT sphere never even heard of it before it became "That Wwarcraft clone".

Funnily enough, as far as TT was concerned, Fantasy was by far the more popular game dominating 40k all over the globe with the exception of US, maybe Canada.
But TT players only buy new models every so often, it's the internet babies that eat up the shlock books and buy the newest biggest robots every time, hence why 40k lead in sales.

>>375701520
That's the whole point, at least, it used to be.

Take all the tropes from Fantasy and turn it up to 11. 40k is the fantasy tropes but also sci fi tropes turned up to 11. It was supposed to be a parody. It kinda still is. I mean, you have Robot Kangz killing everything while one steals everything and the standard weapon for one of the factions shoots high powered grenades like a machine gun.

>>375701520
There's a reason why all the old artwork was done by people from 2000AD

>>375701673
I can dig it.

>Conquer planets
>Fortify planets by spreading propaganda.

>>375701373
>Really though, a system similar to that of Steel Division would have worked nearly perfectly for DoW3.

So you'd like to have 2 sales in total?
Because this game is mostly DoW1 with some DoW2 thrown in.
Imagine if they went with a completely different subgenre entirely. Wargame is already niche as fuck and the audience (like with all RTS audiences) extremelly seclusive, a special cast of people who can enjoy the game while everyone else hates it.

>>375700037
>>375699932
Yeah and the game doesn't stop you.

>>375701828
It's like a game should force you to have fun.

>>375701697
>>375701753
The look certainly matches the lore though. Really wish there were more media for it in general though it's all so massive it's hard to find a jumping on point.

>>375696235
>if a game doesn't have what I want it means it's shit

Because different = bad

>>375701773
planetofguardsmen.jpeg

>>375701798
I just find the design to be more appropriate, though it would have to be tweaked to make it viable. And a DC/SS map would have been a nice addition.

On the other hand, I wanted DoW2 with the unit customisation of DoW1. I'm not Dorn, I don't enjoy building walls.

And DoW 3 sold much (relatively speaking) on the brand name alone.

>>375696046
My main gripe with DoW3 are the tactical marines. Who thought that a 1400 hp unit with 5 models that deal abysmal ranged and melee damage is a good idea? Every other unit outperforms them, they literally exist to be made fun of right now. You might as well go for fast rax and get 2x scouts, you'll deal the same damage but at least you'll have 2 stun grenades.

Dow3 online player numbers have already halved since launch will players keep playing after a week or two?

>>375701970
he said the exact opposite

>>375701931
>Really wish there were more media for it in general though it's all so massive it's hard to find a jumping on point.

Well, that's what 2000 AD is supposed to be like.
/co/ has story time threads with each new release, so I'd say that's your best bet.

>>375696046
i don't know about casual, but anyone who identifies as being part of a video game fanbase is definitely autistic

>>375696419
Autists are the target market, if you don't have an autism pass you don't belong in a gamesworkshop.

>>375702141
>Who thought that a 1400 hp unit with 5 models that deal abysmal ranged and melee damage is a good idea?

It's pretty obvious they were balanced against the other two basic units.

They outshoot the boyz and outmelee the dire avengers while having more health and upgrades on top.
They stop working once you throw the other units in.

>>375696046

Correct.

I am reminded of this with the 40k spamming back on this site.

>>375702151
RTS genre is fucking dead. Even starcraft is on life-support and would already be dead if it wasn't for koreans. DoW3 will have a couple hundred die-hards playing just like every other DoW.

>>375698649
He wants large scale battles where the enemy breaks himself upon his defenses.

>>375702151
Its kinda trash with no real depth or personality, for a rts thats kinda a death sentence.

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I'm not sure if I should buy DoW3 or just go back to Elite Mod.

>>375702397
>Its kinda trash with no real depth or personality, for a rts thats kinda a death sentence.

Gamereplays people disagree with you and that's the only community responsible for keeping RTS games alive today.

>>375700120
>>375700278
A casual is obviously someone who requires a game that can be dived right into, no need to better yourself or become familiar with how to play etc.
Stuff like shooters are a good example of this as anyone can pick them up.
Casualization of the RTS-genre comes in the form of DoW3 where mistakes can be rectified by simply using 1 abillity to wipe the enemy's forces.
Where teching is decided by a timer and resource management is non-existent.

>>375702543
>and that's the only community
And that's just not true.

>>375702583
>And that's just not true.

Feel free to provide an example of a multiplayer RTS community that is not Starcraft or AoE2 (which aren't today's games) which is both alive and not kept alive by Gamereplays faggots.
C&C games? Gamereplays.
BFME? Gamereplays.
Dawn of War 1? Gamereplays.
Dawn of War 2? Gamereplays until Elite came along and took over.

>>375699239
The only thing I enjoy more about Fantasy is the Chaos Gods and the magic.

>>375702567
>simply using 1 abillity to wipe the enemy's forces
Only if he's bad. And if you are bad it's your army gonna be wiped.
>Where teching is decided by a timer and resource management is non-existent
Did you even play the game? What the fuck are you talking?

>>375702764
>Did you even play the game?

Faggot, look where you are.
No one here has played anything aside from Mass Effect 2, Minecraft and Skyrim.

>>375701503
>I just want a grand strategy.
Geheimnisnacht mod for Ck2.
It's fantasy though.

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>>375702010
>planetofguardsmen.jpeg

>>375702724
>Dawn of War 1? Gamereplays.
>Dawn of War 2? Gamereplays until Elite came along and took over.
There is strong russian dow community and was a lot of dow2 tourneys with price pull.

>>375702827
>Mass Effect 2
Why? it's shit. First mass effect is only good mass effect.

>>375696046
Minecraft

>>375702962
>strong russian dow community

The problem with Russian communities is that:
A) They're small.
B) They're exclusive to Cyka speakers.

That's not a community that keeps the multiplayer scene alive worldwide for several years, like Gamereplays does.

>>375701920
Actually, yes, it should. Having a more efficient (minimal risk) and less fun tactic available to you makes doing things the normal/expected way feel arbitrary, less rewarding and thus less fun.

Play MechCommander Gold and understand the value of good mission design and demanding resource management pressuring the player to perform well.

>>375702764
Good luck teching without the power to support it :^)
Guess you just have to wait for that escalation phase to come in.

>>375703292
>They're exclusive to Cyka speakers
That's not truth at dow2 case. It's not only russians who participate in those tourneys.

>>375703386
>understand the value of good mission design and demanding resource management pressuring the player to perform well.

For one, Mechcommander is another thing entirely.
And there's also the fact the real way anyone played that game was to cheese out the MadCat and blast through the rest effortlessly.

>>375703292
Even in the russian community most people like DoW3 except for a dozen or so edgelords like in the op's pic

>>375696046
>ablooo my basebuilding!!!!

Yeah because Space Marines really spent a lot of time constructing buildings on their deployments to hostile planets.

>>375703502
>having precognitive knowledge to salvage the Mad Cat and playing the mission over and over until the airstrike manages to not destroy it
>the real way anyone played that game

Yeah no.

>>375703386
>more efficient
It's not really efficient is you spend twice amount of time on one mission.
>>375703460
What the hell are you talking about? In next escalation phase you will get more resources but also objectives would require much more to destroy it.

>>375699239
>Warhammer: Fantasy barely gets any love

That's a good thing. To hell with that shit going mainstream.

>>375703737
Explain to me in detail how you wish to advance your tier then.

>>375703637
a fair portion of the horus heresy books do deal with the construction and logistics involved during deployments desu senpai

Is it me or is all 40k lore outside the main framework just all non canon fan fiction.

>>375700865
Cool, too bad the game sucks cocks.

>>375704248
Everything outside GW books & Black Library is non-canon fan fiction, you aren't wrong.

>>375696046
He is right

>>375704364
So all these argument threads about 40k lore are just a bunch of fan fiction readers trying to convince other fanfic readers about whos head-canon of a bunch of fan fiction is correct? They may be more autistic than ponyfags

>>375704248
It's a good thing because they have done some really dumb shit.

>Grey Knights killing Soritas for buffs
>Space Wolves one shotting Grey Knight Captains

>>375704549
To be fair, GW's motto when it comes to the lore: "Basically, everything is canon except when newer stuff contradicts it. Newer lore > old lore"

>overwatch is the new standard for Vidya autism
Really? So, just because it's popular with normies, it outshines Sonic and Kingdom Hearts in it's autistic fandoms?

>>375704549
Yeah, basically. It is also why it is really amusing to see people argue about how games should be according to "lore".

>>375701970
literally yes, if something is different from what you want it is bad

>>375704716
/v/ itself is autistic so it can't make these kinds of judgements without being contrarian to the point of being retarded

>spurn your long-time audience for a cancerous casual shit audience

He's not wrong at all. Publishers want to turn every game genre into an ASSFAGGOT or a SHOOTAN.

>>375705457
It's comedygold seeing all these buttblasted casuals.

>They dumbed the game down!
Meanwhile, the game is the hardest game in the franchise to date. Basically, shitters complaining about the game being too hard, but to feel good about themselves, complain the game has been dumbed down.

If DoW3 is a dumbed down game, then DoW1 and 2 are games for ages 1-3.

>>375706686
Go away Sega.

>>375706686
Do you have single fact to back that up?

>>375696235


>viable turtle

are you retarded?

It's a fanbase that goes in both extremes of very chill peeps and losers who spend too much time irrationally hating stuff they will never give a legit chance to (AoS, DoW3). The autistic ones are louder though.

The chill guy is the one that's always trying out interesting shit on the tabletop.The autist is the one complaining about balance while trying to WAAC with his shitty overpriced Monstrous units.

The chill guy gave AoS a chance which led him to realize that it doesn't suffer from WHFB's terrible balance issues, and while the game did feel a bit barebones at first rules wise, with the General's Handbook it offers a more synergy based game than WHFB. The autist noticed that change is happening, and then tried to find every little thing they could to shit on about it without ever having really played it.

The chill guy saw Angelos flipping around in DoW3, and reminisces of his 40k RPG Ogryn that with enough stats could do the same thing despite being heavier than terminator armor. The autist screeched like the loser he is, being unaware of really anything 40k except the memey shit.

The Warhammer autist is no different from the /v/ autist, hating change and hating things they have never actually experienced (like sex.) One would think that since they are part of the nerd culture which only until recently was once looked down up, that they would be more open minded about something that seems outside the norm. But nope, turns out they are even more narrow minded than normies.

>>375709402
I don't hate sex though.

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>>375696046
S-STOP CRITICIZING IT DOW3 IS PERFECT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>rabid shilling pre-release
>damage control to maximum on release
>game mixed on Steam
>already gone from the top ten

Feels fucking good to see this MOBA turd flop.

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>twitch bait game is still top seller

this why PC Gaming needs to fucking die.

>>375696046
This is a fairly reasonable response to a game though, what's the problem?

>>375696324
/tg/ bros >>> video game fandom

It's just studios are retarded.
Why would they shit out another dota\dow 2 mix?
People has been begging for DoW1 remake since fucking 2009, all they had to do is to take DoW1 and make it with good graphics. Same with Star Wars nowadays - you have such a great concepts as Battlefront(2004) and Jedi Academy\KotOR, yet they release some incoherent shit. Just take the fucking old games and put graphics in there, you faggots.

>>375711814
>all they had to do is to take DoW1 and make it with good graphics
DoW3 is better than DoW1.

>>375699024
D&D is filling up with normies now so the autists are going to have to pick a different niche game.

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>>375711891
(you)

>>375711515
>shilling
>damage control
What are you talking about? For the past few days there's ALWAYS at least two threads on this game where everyone in it spends their time shitting on it even though they haven't played it just because they want it to fail due to it going in a direction different from DoW 1 and DoW2.

>>375711945
It's true. There is no shitty stuff like "reinforce anywhere because we are too lazy to design it properly".

>>375701970
>I didn't like the game because it wasn't what I wanted, others may like it though
Ikr what an entitled piece of shit

>>375702381
If you turtle whole game you lose like in any half decent rts

>>375711814
Has Relic ever been the one to make the same old bullshit ever? Especially to ever revert back to a more generic RTS model like DOW1's? DoW1 is the least in-depth most braindead RTS they have made.

>>375696046
>Wanted to be more dow 1 and 2

Well the game is a bit of both instead of polar opposites like 1 and 2 was

>>375712190
At least it was fun. Unlike DoW2 and DoW3.

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>>375706686
>Meanwhile, the game is the hardest game in the franchise to date
literally only by virtue of it being more micro-intensive than the previous titles
when looking at any other facet of the series, dawn of war 2 is harder

>>375712171
But not everybody played online though based on how people "remember" these games. It's obvious most people that especially shit on Soulstorm, DoW2, and probably even now DoW3 which all in some aspect of their design or other forced the player to not turtle and encouraged a more balanced, hectic, and skill based style of gameplay were these kind of turtle fags who also played every single campaign mission that same exact way, too. Probably would get wrecked in practically every other RTS because none of them are as forgiving with it as DoW1 was.

>>375712278
And that's not true.

>>375702141
Scouts are better in the start, however tac marines can stat relevant in the late game the other can't

>>375696046
>ctrl f sonic
>one match
>thread didn't end after that
Just because you don't like a game doesn't means its fan base is autistic, but sonic fans have the highest concentration of autism

>>375712278
But those are fun as well. Just more intense gameplay wise so they require more player attention. DoW2/3 are the Devil May Cry to DoW1's shittily balanced Musou.

I really don't get the boner for DoW1. Cover is literally just a zone instead of actual cover like DoW2 or CoH or w/e. Balance is fuck awful. Build options/stylistic choices for the player not just among individual races, but all of them together, were just not as high mainly due to the fact that abilities weren't as different as the crazy stuff in DoW2 like the Eldar shield stuff or that gravity thing that were huge game changers unlike just generic AoE and buff abilities in DoW1. DoW1 also had awful pathfinding which with its squad based combat encouraged shallow movement tactics for units. It also did the most straightforward and simplistic approach to a hard counter system in RTSs making the game's units feel more homogenized. I can keep going on and on.

>>375707697
>i want my games to only have one strategy that's usable
dow3 is moba shit, just cunts stalemating in the map for 20 minutes, hardly any unit variation, next to zero building, just LUL CAP THE POINT LUL PUSH LUL KILL THE TOWER SO WE CAN WIN
dow has just gone downhill consistently each sequel

>>375712836
>just cunts stalemating in the map for 20 minutes
Matches there is only 10-15 minutes long if players is not retarded.

who here /trukklife/

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>Why won't they play this mediocre moba I wasted my money on!
>those damn autists, how dare they to have preferences and standards nowadays! we should always throw our money at mediocrecy!

>>375712739
>I really don't get the boner for DoW1

Because most of the retards who want the same thing applied over DoW3 are the same retards who drool all over the UA mod, a mod that literally does nothing out of value compared to the likes of Titanium Wars or Firestorm over Kronus and has gained fame because his developer is a pathological lier and a drama queen.

Like seriously, most of them do not have any clue over DoW2/3 mechanics and will just scream "MUH EPIC BATTULS!!!"

Also, for all of you UA mod babbie, go suck a dick. Your mod is worth shit without the Russian community - to which the creator of said mod steals and takes the credit from them 100% of the time.

>>375714536
cyka

>>375712836
>just cunts stalemating in the map for 20 minutes
That's because they try to play it like a traditional RTS. This was also mentioned in every review that the game's mechanics differ wildly from traditional RTSs.

>hardly any unit variation
Vanilla DoW1 and 2 also had 16 units per faction. DoW3's are even more customizable with various doctrines than either DoW1 and 2's are with the more interesting variety of units (first time I think that actual modern style Lords of War units from TT are represented although I think Land Raiders are considered LoWs as well so maybe not but LRs are old new.)

>next to zero building
Lmao good one

>just LUL CAP THE POINT LUL PUSH LUL KILL THE TOWER SO WE CAN WIN
Oh it's just a troll post

>dow has just gone downhill consistently each sequel
Read my post above yours. DoW1 was baby tier crap. Sorry I guess Relic tried to make DoW into a more legit, interesting, and in-depth game.

>>375713720
>bring up inane points to hate on DoW3
>get proven wrong every time somebody seriously replies to shit posting
>still continue to sperg 24/7 about a game they don't want to play

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>when you trick idiots into defending your mediocre MOBA like desperate fanatics while alienating people from both, the first and second game in the series and attracting the most cancerous community of all
Then again, it takes a subhuman to give THQ money after CoH2

>>375714726
>doesn't remember that DoW2 had the exact same hivemind hate at launch and is now loved by the fanbase
>doesn't remember that AoS also had the same shit happen to it before it became among the top sellers in the TT market as of now
>doesn't remember that TWW on launch also had people shitting on it here before people gave it a try and a community of its players formed here

>>375714883
>things that never happened

>>375701970
>if I game doesn't have what I want I don't like it
Yes, that is indeed how it works you autistic fuck.

>>375714726
>THQ
What?

Anybody here who liked all 3 DoW games can convince me to buy it?

>>375714959
This is an 18+ site my man.

>>375715151
I do like all 3 dow games. Why should I convince you?

>>375714883
Don't forget CoH2 with shitload of people claiming it was dumbed down and tacky compared to its predecessors when it's actually better in every way.

>>375714883
>>doesn't remember that DoW2 had the exact same hivemind hate at launch and is now loved by the fanbase
Stop talking about shit you know nothing about. The DoW1 and 2 fanbases are distinct with not much overlap.

They both agree on 3 being shit, however.

>>375715209
Because I'm on the fence of getting it and could use a little push.

Retribution with Elite Mod was my favourite game and all the big people in that community basically said "It's not as good on many levels, but kinda fun and has potential". It's probably the game where most of the fanbase will move onto anyway.

>>375704763
>>375712170
>>375715023
>game doesn't tailor to my specific preferences
>therefore it is objectively bad

You guys are top level retarded. It's like saying NieR Automata is objectively shit just because it doesn't tailor to the fact that I prefer turn based games.

>>375715423
>Elite Mod was my favourite game
I would only push you out of the window.

>>375715583
Why? For having good taste?

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>>375715524
>objectively

>>375715661
Eating Caeltos shit is not good.

>>375715334
I kept it Warhammer focused to try to make the point OP is rightfully making, but yeah this is true. Current CoH2 actually has all its playable factions be viable unlike the CoH1's addition of British and that other German one that obviously weren't on the same level as the main two.

>>375715401
So you weren't here or really anywhere when DoW2 launched. Way to out yourself underage. DoW2 didn't start getting outward fan support until a bit into its release. At launch it was the exact same shitstorm of autism we are seeing right now. Too much lurking at memes, not enough participating in the community with you.

>>375715726
What's bad about Elite Mod?

If the guy in the OP pic was shitting on any other game, particularly one that /v/ likes (Souls, Persona), he would be getting shit on and laughed at. But he's shitting on the current hivemind thing to shit on so it's okay.

In all my years of playing warranted games I've noticed. Than every single new release past dark crusade has been shit on. People hated dow2 and only started to like it by the time retribution and last stand came out.
Chaos rising was mostly ignored despite the surprising amount of muh faction shitposting. Everything is shit nothing will ever satisfy the "fans" might as well kill the franchise I'd prefer that to more autism then they can play their shitty unbalanced UA mod forever.

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>>375715401
>The DoW1 and 2 fanbases are distinct
wew..just..wew

>>375715863
How dare someone not like something

>>375715815
It just a mess. Like they only wanted to add stuff without any reason behind it. Game by itself was good enough, there is no reason to spoil it with mods.

>>375715909
Or maybe people shit on DoW2 because it was more like Company of Heroes than Dawn of War?

>>375715761
>>375715921
Stop trying, anyone who was actually here back then knows it, no amount of crying from you will change it.

>>375715909
>retribution and last stand came out
Retribution came out 1,5 years later.

>>375716103
>Like they only wanted to add stuff without any reason behind it.
That only applies to Grey Knights, took then forever to get the balance right as well.
>Game by itself was good enough, there is no reason to spoil it with mods.
Vanilla was broken as fuck, with overpowered factions that Relic straight up refused to fix until they dropped support completely.

The reason the game is still alive and has an active community is Elite Mod.

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>>375714883
>and is now loved by the fanbase

>>375716034
People are free to say their opinions about whatever. But we are also free to mock them for their dumb thought processes related to them as well. OP pic guy is next level retarded since nothing shown about the game was to be anything like that at all, nor has Relic ever had the reputation of rehashing in new non-expansion iterations of their RTS games.He's a fucking idiot, and it's even more sad since if he's old enough to be around for DoW1 the dude's review reads like how I remember my friends used to judge games in middle school.

>>375716332

Not only Grey Knights but things such as Kasrkin have no real role when Stormtroopers were already in the IG.

Also, Caeltos taking notes from the UA mod in order to add content is not a good sign that things would be any bright, either. He himself admitted doing that for the sake of being epic.

>>375716517
I agree, what a fucking idiot he is for not liking something.

>>375716332
>That only applies to Grey Knights
There was some weird stuff as kasrkin squad, as far as I remember, who was added only because was were in 1st dow. There is already stormtroopers, why do I need cadian ones?

>>375716332
>The reason the game is still alive and has an active community is Elite Mod
I still play it sometimes without mod, so no.

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>>375700527
>>375700754
Dorn, Lion and Vulkan are the best Primarchs

>>375716974
>Lion
He's a traitor.

>>375712412
the whole point of dow franchise with its point capture on map is to discourage turtling
the guy who wrote that review has severe autism

>>375716139
Yeah, I was. You weren't.

https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/314149236/#314153481
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.94106-Dawn-Of-War-2-Sucks

>>375716348
Anyone who was actually serious about gameplay mechanics played DoW2 since it actually required strategy.

>>375701970
>good is objective

>>375696485
Waaaggggghhhhh!

>>375717168
You could in almost all of DoW1 turtle through the single player content. Send a scout squad equivalent to capture points, and turtle with everyone else. Building listening posts and all that junk helped encourage it as well.

>>375717043
Lion isn't Luther

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>>375696046
>i wanted DOW 2, however this is DOW 3 not DOW 2 so it's shit
if the guy wanted dow 2.5 he would be bored of the game within a week if he's already played 2

>>375716139
m8, have you ever been to /v/ in 2008 and 2009 where the shitstorm was massive as hell that it never really dissipates until after the release of Retribution, and even then DoW1 fags still mock the shit out of it for not having enough base-building.

>>375717334
>proving my point

Retard. I plainly said DoW1 and DoW2 fanbases are mostly separate, no shit the DoW fanbase (which was the DoW1 fanbase only) hated DoW2 at release. I said the people who liked DoW2, for the most part, are not the same that liked DoW1. Learn to read.

Not to mention even if I were disagreeing that the DoW1 fanbase hated DoW2, you posting one thread from Escapist and one post from 2015 on /v/ isn't exactly a good counterargument.

>>375717494
I know. Lion is a traitor.

>>375696046
>I wanted DOW 3 to have a viable turtling strategy
There's not a single RTS where it works. Anyone who says otherwise is a grade A idiot. Some games like TA, SupCom or Cossacks have defenses that are very viable, but they still encourage early aggression for resource and map control via harass (and in some cases the games end during this early aggression, like t1 spam in SupCom). Turtlefags need to neck themselves already, their cancerous behavior not only damages the genre dynamics, but also brings tons of ignorant crying autists that have never played multiplayer in their life, but think they know better than people that do. There is no competitive symmetric/slightly assymetric RTS where turtling is a viable strategy outside of low-tier play, skirmish or lan with friends. And it's not because devs refuse to make it, it's literally CANNOT exist, unless you want to create the most boring RTS imaginable.

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>>375717656

>>375699239

>I never played it
>I never purchased any models
>I never expressed any interest
>I never supported any communities
>Waaah, why did this game I "love" die?

>>375717564
Nigger, I have 1500+ hours in DoW 2 and I'm still not bored of it.

I have more fun playing it than I do DoW 3.

>>375717624
>no shit the DoW fanbase (which was the DoW1 fanbase only) hated DoW2 at release
Not what you said earlier.

>for the most part
Also not what you said. You were doing le memes until now that you have been shown what really happened.

>>375696419
Really? it wasn't the shitty ass fucking degredation of all balance and rules?

>doing the last mission
>die at the very last phase of the fight
>have to start it all over

granted it's my fault for falling asleep during the mission at some points but still, holy fuck is that mission boring

elites are so fucking slow, it reminds me of DoW2 but at least in DoW2 you can get like 3-5 skills to use per elite and you have all those cool passives from leveling up and using good gear

in DoW3 you're lucky to get more than 2 skills

fuck that last mission, it almost makes me want to reinstall retribution instead

>>375711780
>/tg/ bros
Pffffffffffft

Go back to your shitty stale meme and tumblr cesspool, /tg/, no one likes you autistic fucks on any board

>new bandwagon is hating on DoW3 because it's mediocre
>/v/ shits on DoW1 to avoid bandwagoning
Okay

>>375701970
He didn't say a word about the game being shit you autistic fucking sperg faggot.

>>375717972

>>375715401
The post I quoted implied that DoW2 grew on "the fanbase" over time. It didn't. People hated DoW2 at release, and the majority of the people that love it now are new players that were not part of the DoW1 fanbase. "The fanbase" doesn't really exist because DoW1 and 2 have rather distinct fanbases that don't overlap much.

>>375696324
How is tabletop any better? They do nothing but butch and moan about each new release by GW while paying hand over fist for it. They're worse than EAfags

Chaos Rising > Vanilla >> Retribution

>>375696046
Which warhammer 40k game is good?

>>375699239
fantasy got the best warhammer vidya though, total war and vermintide, nothing has topped those since dow1.

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I fear no autism for I am autism incarnate

https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/filename/dawn%20of%20war.png/

https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/filename/quick%20rundown.png/

He hasn't taken a day off in a while

>>375718462
>and the majority of the people that love it now are new players that were not part of the DoW1 fanbase.

???

I have thousand of hours in both games, no I don't like dow2 as much as one but it was the step in the right direction micro/mechanics wise, they just needed to up the scale and give it PROPER base buildig, not that miscarriage we got in 3.

>>375718519
DoW 1 + Winter Assault + Dark Crusade
DoW 2 + Chaos Rising
Battlefleet Gothic: Armada
Space Marine

>>375718519
Armageddon/Da Orkz if you liked Panzer General.
Sanctus Reach is also pretty good and in my opinion the closest we've gotten to the tabletop game.

>>375718746
>Space Marine

I fucking hate relic, this game died solely because of p2p issues.

>>375717656
>I know. Lion is a traitor.
What did he mean by this?

>>375718519
dawn of war 1/2 and space marine

>>375718746
I've never beaten winter assault, I tried playing it a few times and it's a real slog

I don't get this obsession people have with basebuilding. If I wanted basebuilding I'd go play a city builder or RCT. The last thing I think of when it comes to the 40k universe is basebuilding and in-depth economy management. This is where DoW2 got it right; entirely combat and micromanagement focused. Grimdark as fuck with wonderful sound design, visuals, sync kills and voice acting that really immerse you in the setting

That's not to say I don't like RTS games with basebuilding; I grew up with Total Annihilation, but basebuilding in a game like that actually has strategic depth and heavy focus on building positioning and defensive structures. In DoW1, it was a means to an end; you plopped down generators to generate one resource or buildings to initiate specific research or build units; that's it. It didn't matter where you put them 99% of the time, you just had to do it. Heavy bolter turrets were only really used in early T1 harassment strategies and became useless from T2 onwards. I don't think anybody ever bothered building minefields either.

People screeched for more basebuilding in DoW3 and they got it just as half-assed as it was in DoW1

>make DoW1
>people think it's good
>make DoW2
>some people think it's better than 1, others do not
>make DoW3 to be somewhere in the middle to try to please everyone
>everyone hates it

Guess they deserve it by how barebones the game looks.

>>375719189
I've beaten it twice, easily the best linear campaign till date. Sturnn has a fantastic VA.

How does one get into Warhammer 40k?

>>375719240
Because constant micro gets tedious very quickly and at that point you might as well play Starcraft 2. People want a good balance between micro and macro coupled with decision-making for their RTS which DoW1 did well.

>>375701970
>Because different = bad

If the differences are what make it bad, then yes.

>>375716653
>>375716542
Never could git gud at IG, so I can't comment on that.

>>375716883
People still play that outside of that dumb hero battle mode?

>>375719458
Read books
Read Lexicanum

>>375719240
Because without base building the only way to create difficulty is to focus solely on micro. Most great RTS ganes have a balance between micro and macro so players aren't either clicking 24/7 or draeing pretty faces with base buildings.

>>375696046
>Is the 40k fanbase the most autistic and casual fanbase there is outside of overwatch?
No.
Autismo's don't actually like 40K since it requires real world human interaction.

>>375719448
The doctrines don't make up for the lost of wargear and all the other stuff, it feels like all the leveling up you do with your heroes amounts to jack shit, even DC and SS had a better feeling of progression

>>375719620
>at that point you might as well play Starcraft 2.

This makes zero sense. DoW2 plays nothing like Starcraft 2, but because you actually have to have half a brain and use things like unit abilities, cover, suppression and jump troops effectively in battle instead of just turtling in your base and blobbing your army every engagement, it's tedious?

>>375718267
Joke's on you, I like fa/tg/uys more than /v/irgins.

>>375719792
DoW2 is micro focused and still has considerably less APM involved at high level play than a game like SC2.

>>375719458
>>375719458
Read:
This First:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor_of_Mankind
Then:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Horus_Heresy

Read thme all the way through, then read any tabs you opened along the way, if your fucking pumped, go down to your local games workshop and tell the guy behind the counter you're new but some shit online and are pumped are hell to play - they're actually pretty fucking good about it.

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>>375709402
10/10

>>375719867
You can do all of that with base building as well. Microing behind cover or pressing a button to make a unit jump shouldn't be the only thing to determine the skill level of a player. Choosing when to tech up, building structures for specific upgrades and units also add to the difficulty. Most people, myself included, wanted this from DoW3 because we enjoyed 1 and 2 for different reasons. Instead we got a game slower than DoW2 and with botched DoW1 mechanics.

>>375702882
Is it bad that i now want a game that combines the Planet Of Guardsmen and The Wonderful 101?

Also, is Chapter Master ded or does it live still?

>>375720017
And most people found it boring because the game's squad cap is very low and there's nothing to do besides micro your units or tap X to run away if you made a mistake.

>>375701970
Not meeting expectations as a sequel to an established series is bad. Not properly innovating and going backwards is bad.

>>375719240
I agree that basebuilding really has no space in the 40k universe.
This is what DoW2 got right, you got to focus on the combat, micromanage your different units and their special abilities, split up your forces and attack from several fronts at once etc.

Most games with basebuilding require you to memorize 3 dozen hotkeys so you can quickly select specific building and then build a specific upgrade/unit to be successful online.

Retribution doesn't have that while still maintaining a high skill ceilings to seperate good from bad players.

>>375719847
Regular units don't level up at all anymore?
That's a real shame, even though they are supposed to be cannon fooder for those elite units.

>>375719847
>Unlocking presence doctrine
>Amounting to jack shit

Nigga having your doctrines available the moment you choose those Elites is a godsend.

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>>375715524
>objectively bad

>>375720315
>Also, is Chapter Master ded or does it live still?
Current status is dead, despite 2 revival attempts.
Best you can do is play an old version.

>hate eldar lore
>hate dow1 eldar
>hate dow2 eldar
>forced to play eldar in dow3 campaign
>starting to like the gameplay
please send help

>>375699239
fantasy is the only one that gets good vidya tho
all 40k games are mediocre

>>375721464
Are Orcs the least played faction or something?
All the videos of multiplayer matches I see are always Space Marine/Eldar.

>>375715524
Ah the Tism Touch.
Passed down by your whore mother.

>>375720213
>Instead we got a game slower than DoW2 and with botched DoW1 mechanics.

wut? The game's faster and smoother than DoW2 sluggish movement.

>>375704549
But Ponyfags do the exact same thing and sexually abuse animals as well you nigger faggot.

>>375722985
wait what?

Do you always get 20 skulls per game? What if you lose?

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Friendly reminder, this is Relic Entertainment, these people had the 40k license, these people are the face of modern video games.

>>375718485
Im a tabletop fag. Only tourney fags do this. I focus mainly on painting the models, and only play occasionally. There is a certain satisfaction with converting, painting, and finishing a model that I dont get from gettin gud videogames. Maybe its because I felt like I put some kind of effort into making something I can see amd touch in real life, but Im not sure... all I know is that I would rather have all my videogames and systems destroyed then lose the models ive built and painted.

>>375726854
I would the cutie in the red. I would.

>>375719687
>People still play that outside of that dumb hero battle mode
Not anymore. Now everyone is playing DoW3.

>>375701970
>>375715524

Oh boy is this the new "fun is a buzzword"?

include me in the screencap

>>375719620
Just like calculus is tedious to someone who can't into math, or Dark Souls is tedious to a casual gamer. It requires far more player attention, it would be truly tedious if it was brain dead kinda like DoW1 blobbing.

>>375720320
You talk like micro is some easy simplistic task. Since every DoW2 unit had some special ability or another, the game was very micro intensive. Not boring at all compared to DoW1 where it's send blob to attack and you don't have to worry about shit like positioning and timing. Again, with talk like this, all you do is show how much of an unskilled casual you are at these type of games.

It's the same example as I used above. People finding more complex and intricate things boring because they can't wrap their minds around it.

>>375727119
You know the more I play dow3, the more Im starting to enjoy it. Only playing through the campaign atm though. Anyone else feeling this?

>>375727914
I liked it since closed beta, so no.

>>375727914
Based on reviews and what most others that have actually played the game think, no you are not. It's approach to mechanics and design is very different from a typical RTS, which once people get used to they'll start having fun and doing cool things with.

>>375707697
>strategies with bad words associated are bad
literal scrub mentality

>>375728443
>thinks turtling has ever been viable in any competitive legit RTS
Hahahahahahahahaahah. Also, you know just how much of a scrub player shitter someone is when they mention turtling in DoW1 because if you have played those games you know this person never played legit, and only liked DoW1 because you could easily comfy turtle then bring out cool looking super units then just mindlessly blob the enemy AI. Shallow junk.

>>375696046
valid points

>>375721464
What it feels being part of a superior race, mon'keigh?

>>375726914
>no true scotsman
That's nice dear, but it doesn't make your crowd and their cringey memes any less insufferable.

I mean christ, you faggots even shitpost your stale jokes on fucking porn boards.

>>375729747
Feels good to be a human and not be a part of a dying race.

>>375728672
Turtling as just building defenses didn't work, no, but for Necrons a viable strat was just defending, turtling up a couple caps and over all surviving until late game when you could bring out your end game units and faceroll.
Turtling was a strat in DoW, but most people only think of turtling in the same vein as camping. Turtling still requires you to build units and Skirmish.

>>375731370
>humans
>not on the decline

>>375731314
Well I agree that 40k memes are fucking terrible, stale, and below reddit tier, but 40k players dont bitch and moan any more than videogame players about their hobby. Again, its just mainly tourney fags. And anyone taking competitive tabletop seriously are below even people thqt taking competitive videogaming seriously.

>>375734720
>but 40k players dont bitch and moan any more than videogame players about their hobby
That's what I said. Are you capable of reading?
>Again, its just mainly tourney fags
Which is a not-insignificant chunk of the population. You can't paint your hobby in broad, rosy strokes while nitpicking another one then get pissy when someone points out all the human refuse you glossed over.

What's the first DLC race coming?

>>375736140
The main difference is gameplay is the only thing that matters in videogame 40k. In hobby/tabletop 40k you have painters and converters in addition to just playing the tabletop. There are lorefags in both, though Id also argue /tg/ lorefags know more than /v/ lorefags. But overall, there are less salty faggots on the hobby side because the hobby side involves more than just 'playin the tabletop.' Whereas videogame 40k, 'playing' is all there is.

>turtlers

dow 3 haters everyone

>>375696046
That's probably the most sensible and concise Steam review I've ever seen.

>I wanted this, game doesn't have it
is the essence of what a review is.

>>375736915
>In hobby/tabletop 40k you have painters and converters in addition to just playing the tabletop
And in vidya you have modders, who are far more impressive than gluing pre-sculpted army men together.
>There are lorefags in both, though Id also argue /tg/ lorefags know more than /v/ lorefags.
Of course you would. /tg/ thinks they do everything better despite having shut taste in anime and vidya and only knowing the memiest version of TES lore to boot. You're probably right about 40k lore, though I wouldn't consider that a point of pride given how much of it is just pilfered from much better settings and stories.
>But overall, there are less salty faggots on the hobby side because the hobby side involves more than just 'playin the tabletop.'
>it's impossible to play videogames for fun
>there are zero creative aspects in all 40k vidya, despite the most memorable ones have so level of character customization
See, this is what I mean about /tg/ niggers being stale meme obsessed fags

>>375702141
Wow, that's just like tabletop.

>>375696046
>Gives a straight forward review that isnt meme filled or implies their opinion is right

Then there is nu-/v/ which is full of faggots and future suicide prospects that rages at literally everything... even a fucking steam review of a shit game.

>Also forgot that LoL has the worst if not tied for worst community in gayming

Underage

>>375709402
I think the real problem the autists have is more about the total discontinuation of WHFB. Doesn't stop them from playing but it does send a strong signal about the lack of motivation to build on the license. I think the 8th edition of WH40K will get better reception because models and armies will stay playable and the rules will have a much needed update as it is completely bloated with special rules out my ass.

>>375740156
Moreover playing 7th edition is a real pain. There is so much rules that on every game someone forget something and we lose hours consulting the rulebook even for veteran players.

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>>375702381
Then, my dude, you want the only good RTS game ever made.

>>375727059

>two women in red
>they're both black

Degenerate.

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>>375696046
>no 40k games for years
>couple of games released
>autists bitch about the games not being flawless representations

You fags are worse than the starcraft drones