What does the next entry need to make a truly good Pokemon game?

>>375691036
go back to /vp/

>>375691036
The ability to revert your age to whatever it was when you experienced your first generation. Pokemon has had the same positives and the same negatives since generation 1.

>>375691036
go back to /vp/

>>375691146
>Pokemon has had the same positives and the same negatives since generation 1
That's exactly the problem. Pokemon is good the first time you play it because every game is just replaying that one.

Get rid of the fucking constant tutorial and slow droning JRPG cutscenes.

Make it an adventure again

>>375691036
They need to do something similar to Colosseum/XD again, make an RPG in the Pokemon world based around some high concept gimmick instead of the basic Pokemon formula. They just need to pick a less retarded one that doesn't make the game super limited.

>>375691225
>JRPG cutscenes
FUCK yes this is so fucking obnoxious. No Japanese game has ever had good writing. Ever.

>>375691036
Put it on the Switch so we get full 3D HD models and so the game can handle double or triple battles at a reasonable framerate.

And bring back fun online hub worlds

Aside from that, they can try making a coherent story for once.

>>375691225
This. Oh god this.

We NEED a "I've been playing these games for 25 goddamn years, please stop teaching me how to capture the bastards" button.

>>375691274
Well that's a silly thing to say.

>>375691274
The first two games had the best story by far because you weren't some DESTINED HERO dealing with legendary Pokemon. You just kinda accidentally saved your region. Your professor liked you, but you didn't have like, 20 people hanging on your dick jerking you off every time you turned a corner.

When you found legendaries they were surprising and kind of scary. They weren't just plot devices

>>375691457
God if it was only just a capture tutorial I'd be so happy. Sun and Moon's tutorial lasted 8 fucking hours.

>>375691225
But how will you know how to catch a Pokémon if they don't have a 5-minute mandatory demonstration?
You might forget that it's easier to catch them if you weaken them.
You might not know what item you use to catch Pokémon
You might even forget what a Pokémon is

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>>375691036
Open up the world for me to explore. I'm not even asking for an open world, but pokemon has quickly become the most on-rails experience ever. Even something as simple as adding in 12 potential gyms to face, but you only need to earn 8 badges would do well to actually feel like players have a choice beyond which colorful monster to overlevel to fight a boss.

It doesn't need to become a sense of "YOU CAN DO ANYTHING", but make me feel like I have at least some freedom, and the game would be much better for it. Let off the reins a bit, give me a chance to explore.

They also need to decide whether or not gyms are the main goal or not, because in half of the games, you're rushed through the gyms just to get to the plot, which defeats the entire purpose of your journey. If the plot is the important part, then let me enjoy the plot, and don't force gyms/kahunas on me if they don't fit the narrative. This was especially clear in X/Y when the latter 6 gyms were just effectively a distraction from the story, a mere reminder that you're locked out from certain mechanics until you beat them.

>>375691549
That sense of mystery is ruined by the fact that we're older and have resources now.
If they released a Pokémon game now with as little story as Red and Blue, people who call it the worst Pokémon game ever because they'll already know half the Pokédex before starting.

>>375691036
Pokemon genuinely needs a ground up reworking, where they evaluate what makes it engaging and build around that instead of just slapping flashier visuals onto the same archaic systems. Itd take a substantial deviation from the series as a whole but honestly thats what the franchise needs

>>375691730
>"with as little story as Red and Blue, people who call it the worst Pokémon game ever"
>"story"
VIDEO GAMES

>>375691036
Dream Pokemon game, and the only way I'll ever give a shit about the franchise again:

>all the regions introduced thus far are available, you choose one and that's where you start
>basically go about it like any old Pokemon, do the gyms and shit, but no evil teams
>after getting all gym badges, you have get the national pokedex, and can travel around to other regions
>Pokemon leagues are time-based, in that events are held to determine the champions of each region. Regional champions, as in from the your real word area, not in-game, can advance to a sort of state pokemon league, which eventually evolves into the country's league, culimating with the world league
>events added constantly legendaries rare as fuck, like a 1/100000 chance of encountering ones where they would normally be, though players can still travel to their locations
>on console

There, best Pokemon game ever. You're welcome

>>375691404
>thinking Game Freak won't still fuck the programming side up even with the power of an HD system at their disposal

>>375691787
Okay, with as little content as Red & Blue then.

>>375691868
>You can go to all Le regions. XD
Thanks for your terrible idea. I'll put it in the trash where it belongs.

>>375691984
No fucking shit.

>>375691549
The only game were you were some destined hero was BW though.

>>375691984
>If you released a game from 1996 today, no way people would think it's fun!
WOW GUESS WE SHOULD JUST KEEP REMAKING POKEMON THEN

>>375691868
>>Dream Pokemon game
Okay, let's hear it. I hope it's not going to start with-
>>all the regions introduced thus far are available
Welp. Opinion discarded.

>>375691868
That game sounds like trash dude

Make it an open world action RPG where you catch and fight with pokemon in real time.

>>375691661
Someone didn't play S&M.

>>375692039
In Diamon and Ruby you are right there for the big legendary epic battle with the GOD LIKE legendary Pokemon

>>375691036
Take a page from Breath of the Wild and stop with forced overbearing tutorials / cutscenes. I've literally never wanted to start up one of the newer Pokemon games because I know that I am in for an hour+ of tutorial with the same tod damn shit I have known since Gen1 just now with even more talking and more retarded JRPG tier writing.

>>375692161
Yeah but it wasn't like you were destined to be there, you were just a trainer who got caught up in some nihilistic assholes scheme

>>375691730
I didn't mention anything about how many new Pokemon should be in a game. Just that a new game shouldn't have an 8 hour tutorial and a 3 minute cut scene (each with loading screens) every 10 steps you take.

One thing i never got is why we dont get a pokemon league like in the anime and always have to do the top 4 shtick

I would find the league more challenging if you had to battle a randomized trainer, no items allowed, only three pokemon in the early rounds and you have to register a team

More focus on exploration like in Ruby Sapphire where there was a ton of hidden stuff. Every legendary should be behind a quest like the Regis.

>>375692243
Still, it was an "end of the world" plot, and the cover art Pokemon just do the same thing the cover art Pokemon always do.

It gets old, and seems much less genuine than the plot from Gen 1 and 2

>>375692137
Sun and moon was constantly dragging you by the nose, what are you talking about? The only thing it did well in that post was making the trials feel important, and even then there were always bigger fish to fry.

S&M is the most handholding of all of them.

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>>375691868
>>all the regions
Stopped reading there.

Just bring back the PW-fucking-T

>>375692292
>One thing i never got is why we dont get a pokemon league like in the anime and always have to do the top 4 shtick
Because then you'd be forced to lose every time. :^)

Sun and Moon are the only games that do that cutscene thing though.
It's hardly a staple of new Pokemon games.

>>375691036
>100+ new pokemons.
>Make the trainers have more than 1~2 pokemons.
>Increase the difficulty.
>Gym leaders/Elite 4 have a full team.
>Add some mature themes.

>>375692343
B-but SM is hard!

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>>375691868
>this entire post
>you're welcome
Next time, keep the autism to a dull roar, okay?

>>375692343
Only in the tutorial which is pretty bad. But afterwards you can do things in whatever order you please.

>>375692327
There was barely any plot in red and blue, you were just like in all the other games just a kid who got caught up in some assholes scheme it is just that it didn't involve any legendary pokemon.

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>>375692039

The Plus is that I fucked your mom in the ass and she later sucked my dick.

The minus is that she tried to kiss me with her own ass taste in her mouth.

>>375692543
Pokemon Angel and Demon

Gotta make it edgy with an E+10

>>375692463
>>Add some mature themes.
I quite liked some of the more subtle stuff in SM, and Lusamine too despite her being a complete Ragyo Kiryuin ripoff. They should double down on that stuff without making it feel immaturely edgy.

>What does the next entry need to make a truly good Pokemon game?

-Stop prioritizing fucking marketmon and giving us half-made features that only exist to further sell more market bullshit. We do not need yet another example of selling us Pikachu with a hat. It's not technically impressive, and the fact that you idiots have the technology and the ability to program this shit onto one of closing towards one thousand Pokemon and you explicitly use this tech for one goddamn mascot, and NOTHING ELSE, is a slap to the face for fans of everything else. If GF decided to actually use its enormous stockpile of Pokemon, they could do better.

-Stop introducing features and erasing them the second you make a new game. Especially when it's clear that engines are being re-used. Just take the old feature, repurpose it to be used in the new game, and add more features. We could easily have secret bases and mining and diving in S/M, but they chose to just not have it because reasons.

-Please, for the love of fucking GOD, can we have at least one legendary-esque thing that is just an uncapturable battle enemy? I get that the whole "Catch 'em all!" meme is a marketing strategy, but just once would I like to fight something with legitimately obscene stats that requires all of my might to just wear it down and beat it, not just sleep it and then hit it with False Swipe until I Ultra Ball it out of existence.

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>>375692292
Because that only exists as a sorting algorithm to keep Ash on his journey.

Really, you're just locked in some building as 4-5 guys try to push your shit in.

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>>375692524
Oh, right, when the tutorial stops. So after...the first 30 hours?

>>375692527

Yes, but it wasn't an apocalypse scheme. It was a regional crime boss, that's all. So you were important, but not THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON EVER like in all the other games.

>>375691036
They need to stop revealing 80% of the game's content before release

>>375692640
>I quite liked some of the more subtle stuff in SM, and Lusamine too despite her being a complete Ragyo Kiryuin ripoff.

Queen Schala says hi.

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>>375692651
>uncatchable enemy

gross

>>375692775
Fuck how is it that we can all see this simple image and immediately understand the emotion being conveyed

>>375691036
>What does the next entry need to make a truly good Pokemon game?
Stay the course. The series has only improved since the dark days of gen 4.

Gen V did a good job trying to bring a fresh air, they put so many things into the game and make a good sequel. yet people complained because muh old gen pokemon

>>375692771
Yeah, but-
http://someoneintheshadow446.tumblr.com/post/152905364775/pokemon-sun-and-moon-spoilers-ahead-read-at-your

- no more 3ds games the hardware is complete shit and has been holding back the series for far too long so they better not release the next title for the 3ds instead of switch

- fleshed out 2.5/3D world with a anime like quality

- more RPG elements. dont have lolis walking around wanting my dick if they dont join my party or let me romance them its annoying

- going back to basic villains with basic goal aka team rocket

- dont overstyle the region/characters or pokemon

- change up the pokemon league formula and have there be an option that online players could take over for the early rounds

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>>375692771
>Queen Zeal

Goddamn this hangover

Anyway, she did all that stuff before Ragyo did.

Being obsessed with forbidden otherworldly powers much to the point of losing oneself isn't exactly an original trope in on itself.

I for one would like the elite 4 to be similar to the show
No items, would also like this during other battles, and your team would be healed after each battle, but the fight would be tough as nails

>>375692651
Oh yeah there's nothing more enjoyable than an enemy that you have to spend 3 hours using 999 ultraballs to capture just because it has some stupid 1 in 1000 capture rate. Really great game design.

>>375692718
If you weren't there cynthia would have stopped him.
The only game where only you could stop the thing was in bw.
Hell Cyrus didn't even get stopped by you, but by Giratina in platinum.

>>375692596
>not kissing her
Faggot.

>>375692524
>But afterwards you can do things in whatever order you please
That's completely false.

>>375693024
>No items
Why do people propose uncreative difficulty in Pokemon games
You're literally just saying the player has to grind more

>>375692935
Gen 4 ...dark? Gen 4 was the return to greatness after the huge fuck up that was Gen 3. Gen 3 was rushed and had so much content cut. Lost the day and night cycles and moving sprites from Gen 2 despite being on better hardware, and broke from the continuity of the older games.

Then Gen 4 brought it all back and capped it off with the peak of the series, Heartgold

Just make a third version or sequel again and everything will fall into place to make a good game. As for making a first of a generation, I'd go back to main story presence of RBY and GSC, definitely cutting the save the world plot shit, but put a lot more effort into optional side stuff for character background and worldbuilding. One of the few things I liked about SM was it had little sidequests for the first four Trial Captains to learn more about their own lives and to do the battles with their teams you don't get to do in the Trials, but they could've been more in depth.

Also, I see people saying Pokemon should go full on for the open world meme like BotW, but I think they should go for a world design like the original Xenoblade moreso. Big open areas to explore with lots of optional nooks and crannies, but still linear progress.

>>375691549
Heck, RS the legends might've even still been impactful, because it was the first time that they got involved with the main story and they treated the awakening of the box legends like a real doomsday scenario explaining how their powers are gonna fuck the world. But it lost its novelty after that.

>>375692039
HGSS and SM push some chosen one agendas on the player character as well, with the Kimono Girls and Tapu Koko. And BW1 you weren't really destined, just forced to play the role of hero to appease N's literal autism.

>>375692425
The Unova games are pretty bad about it too.

>>375693000
We're probably gonna get one more 3DS game this year in the SM engine. Then a new generation on Switch next year.

>>375692963
Also because it dumbed the game down and looked like dog shit, it had no business being on the DS

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Bring back controlled trainer/gym leader rematches.
Bring back Battle Frontier but more balanced and less tedious.
And for fuck's sake, help out the stats of bug and steel types, and stop making fire types near-nonexistent in a region!

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You can romance the pokemons

Simple as that.

>>375693274
Hey but Totem Pokémon are hard.

At least that's what retards think.

>>375693373
>Also, I see people saying Pokemon should go full on for the open world meme like BotW
Only people that like doesn't play the games anyway.

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>Use BoTW engine
>Make huge region
>Strong emphasis on exploration
>Use Pokemons to traverse the land
>Can do gyms in any order
> Have end game repeatable quests were someone somewhere needs your help with rampaging pokemons/moving something etc.
>Pokemons are actually in the overworld, they are not just a random encounter

There the perfect Pokemon game. But it would take effort so yeah not gonna happen

>>375693274
Because if people on /v/ were creative they would be producing the next pokemon.
But they're not so we get such brilliant ideas like
>LEL ALL REGION IN ONE GAME XD
>make super hard to catch legendaries even harder to catch!
>It should be a dragon quest-esque dating sim game where I can fuck lolis

Thank God you guys are on here and the producers are over there, sometimes the world truly is just after all.

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>>375693356
Gen IV is best, my nigga

>>375693373
>We're probably gonna get one more 3DS game this year in the SM engine

they would be head on retarded to do this. SM already ran like shit

>>375693573
>>Use BoTW engine
>Game Freak is unable to get more than 3fps

>Pokémon This And Pokémon That
https://youtu.be/OrMS5_oNS8E

>>375691868
>>375693573
>dream game
>perfect game
You guys are morons.

>>375693674
DP ran like shit too, what's your point? It's never stopped them.

>>375693731
>Pokémon Piss and Pokemon Scat

>>375693674
That didn't stop them from releasing B2W2 on DS when 3DS had been out for a while.

I think it would be cool if they made the battles a bit closer to competitive Pokémon (albeit with really shitty sets so you don't need to learn proper competitive)
Make everything be the same level so you don't get huge benefits from grinding experience
Make which stat you're EV training in be an explicit option instead of non-intuitive formulae based on your opponents' Pokémon, held items and whether you have Pokérus.
Give more held items early-game
Evolution and move learning still occurs roughly as it does now, so you do get stronger as the game progresses
Get rid of IVs, Natures can stay in some form

Little kids would still win by just maxing out Attack and Special Attack on everything, since the opponent's Pokémon would still be kind of rubbish, but it would be easier for people who know what the different stats do. Have NPCs who comment on each of your Pokémon like "Garchomp's attack is huge! It's not that great at using special moves though" to make it more obvious

I'm a volunteer TO for Play! Pokémon so I'm hugely biased towards trying to get people into competitive Pokémon. I know my ideas will be unpopular.

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>>375693573
>Pokémons

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>>375691036
Pokemons that look like pokemons

>>375693674
XY and ORAS ran like shit too, and DP back on the DS had lots of problems like loading for every individual text box in battle. If we get a game this year it'll be on 3DS, since we know that while they are starting Switch development based off details in recent job listings, those details also say that game won't be out until Fall next year assuming it doesn't get delayed.

Plus they're already out of Gen VII events, so Gen VIII is coming very soon.

>>375693748
I didn't say perfect game. I said perfect Pokemon game which by nature is far from a perfect game regardless of how fun they are

give the option of having tutorials for battle and catching pokemon before you start your game.

Have two rivals but make the one with the weaker than your starter be more hard to beat or more challenging.

No more "rivals" who are friendly to you or at least have one friendly and the other mocking you if there 2 rivals.

The starter pokemon make it as soon as you begin your journey and not a half an hour waltkrough like SM

No more evil organization with 2 deep 4 u goals, just make rebels without a cause organization like SM but having better teams and not monotypes.

make HM innate abilities, no more devices to call on pokemon, you can't ride the pokemon you like so why bother mounting exclusive pokemon.

make touch screen have more tools or make it useful again like 4th gen and 5th gen did

avoid the lagging issues in battle
>>375693435
more dumbed down like XY which was very easy to play?
It did look great though, DS was the perfect choice by having more features to do in your touch screen
>>375693617
both gen 4 and 5 are my favorite

>>375693906
If I remember correctly there's never been a main Pokémon game in the first 18 months of a console's lifespan. Chances are, this'll be an off-year and next year we'll get a Switch game.

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>battle frontier
>asshole rivals
>no cutscenes
>gyms and gym leaders
>gym leaders, the elite 4, and the champion have full six pokemon
>well designed starters that aren't furbait
>fleshed out postgame content
>villains that aren't just wacky teenagers slavsquatting
>no new legendaries that are as retardedly broken as genies or tapus
There, instant GOTY

I wish we had Gym Leaders that used a different team depending on how many medals you have like in Origins so you could challenge them in any order

>>375691868
isn't the number one problem of "all regions in one game" that your Pokemon usually get overleveled in the first region already?

A game like that would probably have to find a way to get rid of the leveling. Or Build on the idea, like rising the level cap, have other pokemon and trainers become stronger as you go etc..

Ruby/sapphire/emerald were the last pokemon games I played and they were the best at that point to me.

I simply stopped following pokemon and they just need to grab my attention to get back in.
I always liked the customizable base you could make, maybe expand upon that idea or give me a game about pokemon that is so removed from the formula (ie. a myst-like or rts or action adventure)

So long as we're posting stuff that will never happen.

>Remove forced captures
At least in BW, you weren't forced to put the legend in your party. I want to fight the trainers with my team, not some OP bullshit that has been forced upon me.

>More freedom
Nothing huge, just little stuff like being able to face the gyms out of order (bonus points if the gym leader's levels and team changes based on the number of badges you have)

>Full Gym Leader rematch and Elite 4 Round 2 in every game
Teams of six, endgame levels. Why is this hard?

>Bring back dynamic music
Unique gym themes, Gym Leader's Last Stand, etc. This was a good idea that could have been improved on, but instead it was tossed aside like every good idea Gamefreak has.

>Remove long cutscenes
A short tutorial at the beginning, some story stuff happening every other town, that I can deal with. It's when when the game grinds to a halt and I have to talk to some guy about some bullshit for fifteen minutes that I lose my patience. They could also try and write more interesting stuff, BW was a step in the right direction, but seems even less likely.

>Slow down with adding new battle mechanics
I understand that in a series that is so repetitive you have to have some gimmick to make the new game interesting, but can we stop fucking with the way battles work? I would much rather have stuff like the Pokewalker or the Pokeathlon than new types or mega evolution.

>Remove gen 1 pandering
If you want to go back to your roots, then actually do it. Don't just go "Hey, remember that thing from gen 1? Well here it is again."

Make a new Shadow Pokemon game.

>No new pokemons
>Just Best of

>>375694020
Pattern autism since Platinum is three yearly releases then an off-year, with Plat>HGSS>BW1>break>BW2>XY>ORAS>break, I think we could get a game this year just based off that. If we do, probably news this month, if not it's probably an off year and we have one less autistic pattern for people to lean on.

Plus SM has room for one more duo of Gen VII games in its Pokemon data, and I don't think they're gonna hop platforms mid-generation. It is possible they won't use it though, like the third set of Gen VI games. Either way no Switch Pokemon until Fall 2018, when we'll probably get a new generation.

>>375694358
Bad idea. They need to make more monsters to keep the series fresh.

One thing i am really getting sick and tired off is being the champion that saves the world pre elite four.

Like i am the only one who had the skills and power to stop it but the moment i enter victory road theres at least one or two with team good enough to have fought the evil as well

>>375694358
I like it.

Pokemon should follow the Intel "tick-tock" business model.

>>375694301
>>Bring back dynamic music
>Unique gym themes, Gym Leader's Last Stand,
This is one thing I can really agree with, having that music change when you got to the last pokemon in BW was amazing

gym leader rematches like in Pt and HGSS
having their team changed felt more challenging.
All NPC post E4 had their pokemon high leveled like in BW, will be great to face again all NPC trainers with that boost

>>375694494
GLLS was okay but the low HP music was cancer. If they went the extra mile to make a remix of every battle theme for it so it doesn't break the flow of the music it'd be cool.

>>375694494
The only problem was that you barely got to hear it because chances were you were sweeping with type effectiveness. What would be really cool is if the game had a way of knowing who was currently "winning" the battle and the music gradually changed to reflect the flow of the fight.

That or just start the new music halfway through the battle instead of just the last pokemon. We would have to start giving gym leaders more than three pokemon again for that to work, though.

Just make the post game Pokemon Stadium, that's all it needs and the game would be a masterpiece. No one cares about the main game, it's always the post game that decides if the game is good or not.

>>375694480
>following the intel business model
In a way they have learned a lot from Intel.

>>375694828
>The only problem was that you barely got to hear it because chances were you were sweeping with type effectiveness.
Not their fault you played the game wrong

What's your opinion on mega evolution and z moves? Did they ruin the game?
Don't bring up
>competitive pokemon
if possible

>>375694939
>No one cares about the main game, it's always the post game that decides if the game is good or not
That's completely untrue, most people play it for the road to becoming the champion.

>>375695081
Mega Evolution is cool, Z-Moves I kinda like for the dumb poses but they don't really do much for the gameplay

>>375695081
In terms of just normal in-game, there's no real good or bad side to them, they just are. You could argue megas limit your team building by the game trying to force you to use one of the gen 1 starters or lucario as a mega, but that can easily be ignored really if the player doesn't want it.

>>375695081
I could probably tolerate megas if most of them weren't so damn ugly.

>>375695081
Mega evolution was fun and it gave shitty pokemon a chance to be good (or just make broken pokemon more broken), z-moves existed but they weren't particularly interesting.