How come Sony exclusives don't sell well, given the larger

>>375676398
>google HZD sales
>tells me 2.6 million sold in under two weeks
eh. also Uncharted 4 sold like 9 million. thats probably more than all wii u game sales combined lol

Because the majority of Sony fans are shitskins who just want to play FIFA, Call of Duty, Battlefield, etc.

Horizon sold pretty decently though, it has all the things casuals love in games.

>>375676913
Ugly NPC's, bad voice acting and 2 feet draw distance? I thought normals only care if these were good.

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>>375676792
congrats still means piss with how big the user base is ...all it shows is the main reason the ps4 is doing so well is because of the duderos who moved over from xbox

Is /v/ acting retarded or do people suddenly believe the install base should equal the software sold? By multiplat standards, something like Doom should have sold 200 million copies.

>>375676398
Because you can buy other games too. No one buys a Nintendo for Multiplats, they buy it because they want to play mario and zelda.

More systems=more diluted, casual infused owner base. PS2 had more legit games than you could count, but how many thousands of nig nogs just bought it for madden and san andreas?

When all you offer are first party games that's obviously all people will buy

>>375676398
Most of Nintendo exclusive games doesn't really have big third party competition. Look at WiiU exclusive games, Those games sold very well because it doesn't have to compete with big franchises from EA, UBISOFT, Bethesda, 2K games, Activision, etc But it is also the reason why that console failed. Also HZD and Bloodborne are new IPs but they still sold well and considered a success, Sony already have plans to make those games as franchise.

>>375677550
And whats the issue?

>>375676792
DELET WAHOOO BING

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Playstation has never been about the main developed titles but rather having a wide library that appeals to as many people as possible
This is why Sony never had an official mascot in the US/Europe, they wanted the library stand out rather than just one flagship franchise
This is why you may have seen Microsoft moving away from Master Chief being the Xbox mascot to being apart of a Xbox library
This is why Nintendo is the only one who has an actually high attachment rate, because Nintendo only appeals to fans of Nintendo properties

>>375677550
Pretty much, Xbox has been violently killing itself ever since the One came out. Considering the bullshit that MS was trying to push this doesn't really shock me.

>>375676792
I really have 0 interest in HZD, but I honestly can't see why Uncharted is popular at all. I know Sony has been pushing the series as a console seller since the early PS3 days, but the new game just looks so goddamn mediocre, and there's got to be better multiplayer shooters in the PS4 than Uncharted.

>>375676792
>2.6 million sold
>40million base

you think those are good numbers?

>>375676792
>eh. also Uncharted 4 sold like 9 million. thats probably more than all wii u game sales combined lol
you would think, but nope. U4 does outsell much of the Wii U exclusives, but its also an aberration. Nothing else, exclusive, on PS4 reaches that level.

>>375676792
fpbp

>>375679632
That and at this point Nintendo is seen as "the console with bad graphics and no online". When your console doesn't support CoD online or GTA it will be seen as a turn off for most consumers?

>>375680057
>PC
>150 million steam users
>X > 500k

you think those are good numbers?

>>375676398
Nintendo has always had a higher first party attach rate. Mostly because it has very weak third party support. Also, those who buy Nintendo do so simply for the first party titles.

I purchased my Switch for the Nintendo titles. I have my PS4 for everything else.

>>375680376
for a port? yeah

>>375676398
If Horizon Zero Dawn was the only game on PS4 it would sell 50 million copies.

PS4 has tons of titles. Not just one like the Switch.

It outsold Zelda Breath of The Wild even though it's a new IP and competing with many other titles coming out at the same time period.

>>375680504
lol, that's how much nearly all games on PC sell.

If literally all you can attack them with is attachment rate then you're really fucking grasping for straws

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>>375676398
But they do sell well.

They routinely outsell exclusives on other platforms. I don't understand what this thread is about.

>>375681005
Another angry Nintendo fan still mad at Sony for winning ever since the PS1.

>>375677550
you idiots don't seem to understand the fact that Nintendo consoles don't have anything but Nintendo published games, Sony consoles get virtually every title release any given year so consumers are spending their money on other available software. The PS4 has the highest attach rate of all current-gen consoles.

>>375681005
OP is bragging about Nintendo's first party attach rate because it's a good looking number they can brag about and raw sales data looks less impressive.

>>375679632
lol remember when fable legends was a thing

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>>375681492
So the boast is that Nintendo sells consoles to fewer people, and provides fewer quality games, and thus you end up with an incredibly high percentage of console owners buying the only quality games available, and STILL having shit sales numbers despite that?

How the hell is that something to boast about?

You're essentially saying:
>No one buys Nintendo
>And they have no games
>But the handful of people that invest in the console desperately gobble up any quality titles that become available.

Sounds like a shit thread.

Sony's exclusives care more about spectacle than gameplay, and you can only wow someone once.

>>375680684
Actually BOTW has now caught up. Its true HZD outsold it in launch week, but BOTW sales have remained constant, where as HZD's has not.

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Time to end this thread

Sony/Microsoft have all the popular multiplats and are more in those systems

Nintendo barely gets any and primarily get's first party games so those sell more by default

>>375676792
>>google HZD sales
>>tells me 2.6 million sold in under two weeks
>eh. also Uncharted 4 sold like 9 million


Those are some horrendous attach rates.

>>375676792
>Nintenbros literally trying to argue that this doesn't count

Autism inspires people to new heights every day.

>>375676398
Lots of people rent/steal sony first party games from redbox.

Dont believe me? When the next one comes out, go on ebay and see how many "disc only" versions are for sale 24 hrs after release.

>>375681969
Posted literally today:

>The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild game sold over 1.3 million units*. That total includes more than 925,000 units sold for Nintendo Switch and nearly 460,000 units sold for the Wii U console.


For comparison, the 2.7m HZD sold in it's first two weeks STILL out-pace BotW.

How this is possible is a great question. How can a brand new IP come in, release at nearly the same time as the latest iteration of a BELOVED series, both within the exact same "Open World" niche, and outsell its competition?

At the end of the day, you're still talking about -more- people wanting to play HZD than BotW.

Pretty nuts, huh?

>>375676398
Bad unappealing games sell worse than good game with universal appeal.

Next.

>>375676398
Should have picked a different game to shitpost with.

Pretty sure HZD is the most successful new IP Sony has ever had and outsold Zelda.

>>375683692
A few days ago BOTW was confirmed to have sold 3.8 mil in its first month between two consoles.

Horizon did sell well initially and is expected to sell 8 mil lifetime. But until now, BOTW is still selling.

It's just like Uncharted and Splatoon. First few months Splatoon had the lead. Then gradual sales made Uncharted 9 mil.

>>375683695
>Bad unappealing games sell worse than good game with universal appeal.
So how come most Nintendo titles sell more than the one from the others?

>>375676398
Because Nintendo used to be really good, and they're still banking off that nostalgia and retro culture that exists for it.

Lots of normies buy Zelda games and never play them or get tattoos of the triforce and shit. It's part of the "look in a gamer" trend.

Unfortunately for them it's not lasting because normies move on to the next piece of shit trend very quickly. It dropped off hard after the wii, soon we'll be back to "lol nerd get out my face" and people will be paying shittons to get that "gaymur 4 lyfe" tattoo lasered off.

>>375676792
Mk8 sold 8.25 with a 14 million base.
Gut gud

>>375684065
He was talking about Sony exclusives.

>>375684002
Banking on Sony to announce a Horizon: Zero Dawn bundle with 1TB of memory this E3. If it's anything like the Uncharted 4 bundle, it'll sell en masses.

>>375681182
>>375681762
>>375682152
pretty much. you know nintenchildren are grasping at straws when the only thing they can wail about is muh attach rates. hopeless.

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>Release a console with only one game worth playing
>WOAH HOLY SHIT BROS LOOK AT HOW WELL IT'S SELLING ALONG WITH THE CONSOLE
Attachment rate is the most retarded argument I've ever fucking heard of

>>375684243
>only thing they can wail about is muh attach rates
*for the five games they have lol

>>375684270
It's the only thing Nintennerds have. They are forced to buy an underpowered gimmick again after the Wii U failed. They're insecure and angry after losing for so long.

I'll keep repeating this ad infinitum:

Say you're stranded in the desert with nothing to drink but the piss you excrete from your body, odds are your going to drink your own piss. Same applies to Nintendo fans, they're reliant only on what Nintendo produces.

>>375684171
They should bundle it with the Pro, the Pro needs a bit of a kick and Horizon would suit it nicely to show off the graphics and shit.

Also I'm pretty sure Sony is going to have a RDR2 bundle

>>375684171
Well that's how Sony sells a lot of exclusives. Bundling.

>>375684243
>>375684270
>>375684323
This just means majority of the PS4 userbase doesn't buy the console for their games. Only that one multiplat and netflix.

>but my revenue from twitter gaffer Daniel Ahmad
You can thank Sony's biggest revenue since 1998 to PS Live. Paid online has never been more attractive.

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>>375684473

>>375676398
Because, you see, my little drone, PS4 has thousands of games to choose from, while shitendo only has that one mario and zelda rehash every year.

>>375676398
Because no one buys Sony consoles for Sony exclusives if they did we'd have a new Ape Escape by now.

>>375684964
This gimmick is shit just like Ape Escape

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>>375676398
playstations are the garbage can of videogames

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>>375684473
Pretty much this. Nintendo fans couldn't care less about what games come on Nintendo products, just as long as they can play them.

Not necessarily bad, but I think they should expect better.

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>>375684523
>Multiplats are bad
You really want 10 games over the course of 15 months?

>>375685084
https://boards.fireden.net/v/search/filename/%20PS4-%20top%20ten%20shittiest%20/
O B S E S S E D

>>375685084
Release affordable bundles of some of the most mainstream games like Call of Duty and GTA V, then scratch your head wondering why they sell.

Go home Nintendo friendo, you're retarded.

>>375684002
>A few days ago BOTW was confirmed to have sold 3.8

source please.

Literally everything posted in the last 2-3 days says 1.3 - 2m

>>375685084
So you're literally mad that the PS4 has so many third party games to choose from. LOL. Why are you so angry. The Switch won't get any third party but that's not Sony's fault. It's Nintendo's fault for building an under powered gimmick system.

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Nintendo fans are still salty about this.

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>>375684523
>This just means majority of the PS4 userbase doesn't buy the console for their games. Only that one multiplat and netflix.

So?

I still don't understand this argument.

So what we're seeing is that the raw number of PS4 owners that -do- invest in the console for exclusives ("Real" gamers if you're a fag and use labels) out strips the number of "Real" gamers that invest in Nintendo consoles and exclusives.

ON TOP OF THAT we're also looking at millions of PS4 users that bought the console because it has a bevvy of complimentary features (like Netflix and such) that make the console that much more attractive.
>Note that all the "Real" gamers that bought a PS4 for the "Real" games ALSO get to benefit from these auxiliary features that in and of themselves sell the console to normies.

All I'm hearing is that the PS4 is objectively the better console.

I think most Sony exclusives sell fairly well, but that's because they are all dudebro normie bait like anything Naughty Dog makes or the SJW propaganda OP posted. If it's a more niche exclusive to the PS4, then it flounders because the only people who bought a PS4 are the dudebros who got the consoles as their Madden and Netflix machine.

i hate soni im cool nao guys xd

>>375684523
>This just means majority of the PS4 userbase doesn't buy the console for their games
No, it means they buy the console for a much wider variety of games. Of course you're going to have a really high attach rate when you've only got one or two secondary products, and a much lower attach rate when you've got literal thousands.

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Real talk /v/

What's with the PlayStation hate on this board? We can't go one thread without shit posters rearing their ugly heads when mentioning Sony. I don't really care, but I gotta ask why?

Why does the mere mention of Sony cause massive ass pains from /v/?

>>375676398
wtf i hate nintendo now

>>375685210
But no one makes consistently good games like nintendo.

Maybe you should expect better

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>>375687119
But no one makes consistently good games like ninten--

>>375686663
>What's with the PlayStation hate on this board?
The hate is equal for all three companies and PC
>Why does the mere mention of Sony cause massive ass pains from /v/?
Maybe because this place has been saying how Sony and the PS4 was doomed from day one but instead it became the best selling console of this gen and such reminder makes /v/irgins blood boil

>>375687336
My point stands

>>375687119
Hmm...? And that's only one studio. Rockstar not only makes the best games, they sell more copies than Nintendo could ever dream.

GTA V is still selling to this day.

>>375687336
>2017
>Naughty Dog
Ayy

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>>375687336
Oops forgot pic >>375687595

>>375687595
Nintendo makes a lot more games. But I will accept Rockstar.
Counting sales is disingenuous since the release their games on everything

>>375676398
Gee I don't know OP. Could it be because of the larger amount of games offered on the platform compared to Nintendo? Nintendo is its own thing and its own thing only, while Sony has its own games, plies all the AAA, AA, and indie games out there.

>>375685280
Compare that to PS4
>World of Final Fantasy - October 25, 2016
>The Last Guardian - December 6, 2016
>Gravity Rush 2 - January 20, 2016
>Yakuza 0 - January 24, 2016
>Kingdom Hearts 2.8 - January 24, 2016
That's 10 exclusives in 5 months and a week
>Nioh - Febuary 7, 2017
>Horizon Zero Dawn - Febuary 28, 2017
>Kingdom Hearts 1.5+2.5 - March 28, 2017
>MLB: The Show 17 - March 28, 2017
>Persona 5 - April 4, 2017

>>375676398
majority of people who buy ps4s are basically just eurotrash that play fifa or weebs that play weeb games, the rest are cod/madden normies and a small minority are the trash that go on /v/ and love to suck their own dicks about how PC gaming is dead and microsoft shot themselves in the foot.

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>>375676398
Because not everyone bought a console for exclusives. I didn't even think about exclusives when I bought my ps4. That's like an after thought if you really care about that shit. My first ps4 games was batman and tomb raider since the previous installments were my favorite games of the 7th gen. Not everyone is idort or a pc gamer like you op.

>>375676398
Maybe, just maybe, having a bigger install base means a wider range of taste.
Also, there are more games available on PS4 (including cross platform games)

>>375688136


First I've seen anyone own Xblades.

Playstation sells more software on it's system combined than nintendo's.

There's been times where the PS4 had three big releases all come out within the same day or even the same week.

You have games openly competing with other games.

Nintendo consoles have not had 3 simotanious releases on it's console in decades.

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>>375687336
Only one of many talented Sony owned studios.

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>>375676398
>>375676398
>Playstation: has AAA multiplats, japan games, sport, indie etc so sales spreads among it.

>Nintendo: buy this mario rehash or no game for you for the next 4 months.

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>>375676398
You get to choose what games you actually want to play on PS4.

Isn't that amazing?

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>>375688376
I'm open minded to ok tier games if i have time and tolarance anon. I actually bought the game last week.

>>375676398
because nearly every game on the platform is poor, then sony shits out one game a year, which generally aren't much better

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>>375687432
>>375687432
>>375687432

More like your point just got stomped into dust. Naught Dog makes better games than Nintendo with their eyes closed.

Wait until August when the shit storm hits /v/ when perfect scores are given to a fucking expansion.

>>375685469
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2017/170427e.pdf
Fun fact: sony fanboys on neogaf are not a valid source.

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>>375689185
I can't wait for the ass.

Hips don't lie baby, why do we keep getting so much ass all out of the sudden.

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>>375689185
>>375689368

>>375684459
>What is the Vita
>What is the 3DS

>>375684787
Well now that's just factually incorrect, desu

>>375689435

despite their ups and downs, ND makes sure to keep the integrity of their back stories.

>>375689185

Ok princess enjoy your qte climbing

>>375685280
>multiplats are bad
literally didnt say that

>>375685689
>So what we're seeing is that the raw number of PS4 owners that -do- invest in the console for exclusives ("Real" gamers if you're a fag and use labels) out strips the number of "Real" gamers that invest in Nintendo consoles and exclusives.
no. what we see is that the raw number of PS4 owners invest in a console for that one game they really want and netflix for everything else. Again, why aren't Sony exclusives selling like their multiplat FIFA, GTA, COD?
You'd think with that userbase there would be an absurd amount of HZD everywhere.

>>375686498
I'm talking about raw numbers. Most Sony exclusives don't breach 4 million for some reason. Does that mean to say nintendo gamers buy a large amount of nintendo games while sony gamers only buy fifa and nothing else?

Thats why attach rate matters

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>>375689435

>>375685689
But they could have just gotten a PC and gotten better for less.

>>375676398
People don't buy Sony consoles to play Sony exclusives. They buy for GTA, EA sports and multiplataform stuff.

>>375687336
2 dead franchises, a movie, and an overhyped meme
Wohw

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>>375689904
One more month.

Already pre-ordered my copy.

>>375684126
>used to

Errr, they bounced back

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>>375690046

>>375690161
Would be a missed opportunity not to include the later Crash moves such as the double jump from Warped into 1 and 2 when adding the new time trials.

Kinda like how Taxman and Stealth added the spin dash and element shields in Sonic 1.

>>375688813
you only have memes

The majority of people buy MultiplayStation 4s for annual sports games, Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, etc., NOT for stuff such as Bloodborne.

Nintendo hardware buyers purchase it mostly just for Nintendo first party software.

>>375678696
When is /v/ not retarded?

they're shit

>see hzd pic in op
>oh an hzd thread
>I get to see /v/ opinion on hzd
>I'm having fun with it I don't see why they wouldn't
>entire thread is literal garbage
>comparing bullshit numbers to other bullshit numbers
>bought a ps4 at a pawn shop solely for bf1 and hzd
>hzd is the first single-player console game I've played in 10 years
>I'm enjoying myself
Why can't /v/ just enjoy games?

Is this game worth buying if I already played Breath of the Wild?

I know that Zelda is superior and I dont want spend money on a game that is so inferior it will just make me want to play zeld again

>>375691927
It's very simple, you see, /v/ is a shitendrone containment board and drones don't actually enjoy video games, they just go around pretending they are better than everyone because they still support shitendo who was first in the game. Sony is shitendo's biggest rival and is in every conceivable way better so when PS4 keeps getting great games like Horizon, Persona, Bloodborne etc. plus multiplats, drones start seething with anger since shitendo refuses to allow multiplats and has nothing but zelda and mario rehashes.

>>375692408
>40 cents has been deposited into your PSN account

>>375676398
Because sony exclusives have more games to compete with in it's market compared to the pathetic number of games on nintendo platforms

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>>375676398
If you check out this list you can see they don't have any great games. There's not a single game that's interesting and lately they've been moving into the movie territory for a reason, it sells well. The Last of Us and Uncharted 4 are the only real success they've had in decades. http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_Sony_games In short, they created shit game and now they're into the movie meme because it sells. Nintendo's games sell on the other hand because they're quality games but they also offer a wide variety of titles that are different from each other, even in the same franchise.

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Who needs to talk about sales when you can just bash the ever living fuck out of Sony games on a technical level. It's a pretty painting, just don't expect it to do anything except for sitting there, looking pretty.

>>375693263
Wow... Really makes you think...

>>375676398
Because Sony players have many games to choose from while Nintendo players literally had only the one fucking game to choose from

>>375693110
TLOU was last generation and Uncharted 4 got a good 6 million from being bundled with the cheapest PS4 over the holidays.

>>375694190
True but it worked for tlou so Sony is 100% going for the movie meme from now on. God of War: My Wife's Son is just a tlou clone and it didn't make any sense until I looked at the numbers.

>>375693110
>wide variety of titles that are different from each other
>Multiple versions of the same game
>Pokemon listed 5 times
>Super Mario listed 8 times
Nigga fucking kill your fanboy drone ass self

>>375694529
You can't deny there's a wide variety in the list, anon. AC, MK, Kirby, Splatoon, Luigi's Mansion, Mario Party, motion control games, Mario Galaxy isn't anything like other Mario games, etc.

>>375693110
Does anyone know where this graph actually came from? I can't find it in their financial report.

>>375681146
>PS3
>winning
Ok

>>375693584
It's true, it's the little things and they add up. And it's one of the major reasons why you see reviewers and devs who don't have axes to grind creaming themselves over this sort of polish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVPXKdSEGNQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEGWtyJAkO0

>>375694610
Let's see
>Zelda
>Pokemon
>Super Mario 2D
>Super Mario 3D
>Mario Kart
>Mario Party
>Kirby
>AC
>Smash Bros
>Wii mini games
>Splatoon
>Tomodachi Life
>Luigi's Mansion
13
Sony
>Gran Turismo
>Uncharted
>TLoU
>EyeToy
>Ratchet and Clank
>Motorstorm
>The Getaway
>Infamous
>SOCOM
>Resistance
>Sly Cooper
>Hot Shots Golf
>God of War
>Horizon Zero Dawn
>Wipeout
15

>>375695006
>EyeToy
Are you for real. You're basically comparing their entire history and they still only have shit.

>>375695613
I'm comparing the two lists he posted

Because Sony's main playerbase just play CoD and sports games.

>>375696169
PS4 is the console of choice, while Switch is the console where Nintendo do dictates what you play. See >>375684473 only cucks are okay with this.

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>>375684473
>>375697315
The problem with that theory is that Nintendo's games have outsold Sony's since ever even on consoles/handhelds that have a huge library. Sony's games simply sell less because they're boring. They've copied Nintendo dozens of times creating and never did they capture what made the original game great.