>make WW2 tank game with several different factions >everything

get fucked capitalist pig

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>>375593018
national pride.
Also BR "balance" system makes German tanks better for most of game.
American and Brit tanks are not fucked by RB or wrong stats, bur doubtius gameplay mechanics, that makes things hardly revelant, like HE filler or close range pen, meta critical in game

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>>375593018
cry some more

>>375593018
Inferiority complex. They're mad that their tanks were worse than German and Allies tanks.

>>375595104
>>375595506
are you even trying at this point my man

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Foreigners are usually nationalist as fuck, they think their countries are best even when they are absolute shitholes.

No matter what leftists say, Western European countries & the US are some of the least nationalist countries in the world, this is why they can point out their own mistakes and fix them, and why they are so much more prosperous and successful than every other third world country (like Russia)

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>>375595506

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>>375595751
le samegfag

>>375593018
Panzer III and IVs suck the biggest nonsense in this game it's unreal. Then I unlocked the Tiger.

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>>375595825
>western countries are least nationalist
>USA #1 fuck russia

>>375595825
>US
>some of the least nationalist countries in the world
lmao
you and Russia are the two sides of the same nationalist coin, except US is not as poor

>>375593018
>WW2 tank game
>it's always WW2 tanks against Cold War tanks because of the ass-backwards tier/battle rating system

>>375596253
This

>>375595825
>Russia
>third world

I was dissapointed when i got german tier 3 tanks, they feel like they are made from paper and get fucked in one hit from the front
Sturmpanzer on the other hand most fun thing to use ever

>>375593018
>make WW2 shooter game with several different factions
>everything that isn't Allies/USA hardware is semi-optimal at best

Why do American devs always do this?

>>375596253
This, I sure enjoy facing T-55's in my jagdpanther.

>>375595825
What the fuck are you talking about? Americans are the most jingoistic people on the planet. No other country forces their children to pledge allegiance on a daily basis.

>>375593018
Because it's realistic. Because Russian tanks have always been the best. Because Western tanks have been considered good only due to Western propaganda. After the Western Leopard and Abrams trash has been exposed in Syria and Yemen as laughable deathtraps and the T-90 was proven to be an unkillable monster that can survive anything, any notion of Russian bias is laughable.

TL;DR: everything you know about Western tanks is pure propaganda.

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>>375593018
>>375597392
))))))))
)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

>>375593018
90% of hackers in this game are russian
really makes you think

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>>375597392
>sand niggers use tanks in a way they aren't supposed to be used
>tanks get destroyed
>somehow, this means that the tanks in question are bad

The flaws that Russian tanks had are difficult to simulate in an arcade game.

>>375597392
>Because Russian tanks have always been the best.
Is this the reason they suffered the biggest loses in WW2?

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Actual serious answer here:

Because most Russian equipment is presented as much worse than it actually is (did you know the USSR had superior land tech to NATO until the mid 1980s?), so when Russians make games they want to correct this record and portray it accurately. Unfortunately they overcorrect, and then bunker down in the face of criticism because they think it's just Westerners mad at Russian equipment getting the "proper" portrayal.

Sure but they're all different and if you're better than someone else you'll still usually win. If you really can't help but use the one thing you do the best in, then it doesn't matter what that particular thing actually is. If you're a sensible person and like variety, the balance is just about fine.

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>>375597684
Now now, you can't blame the tanks for general incompetence

>>375597441
It's OK, Muricuck, keep posting memes while your 3m RHA equivalent of depleted Uranium armor gets penetrated by a shitty Soviet ATGM from the 80s with no more than 800mm of penetration while the T-90 survives modern ATGM hits that actually hit and or makes them whiff entirely when the Syrian monkey driving them actually bother to turn on the Shtora.

Western trash gets obliterated from teh frontal projection by old Soviet ATGMs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1yTb3vF35M

Western ATGMs fail to penetrate the frontal projection of T90:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_90Hx7g5_5c

Western ATGMs don't even work properly when the Syrian monkey bother to turn Shtora on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNCRgWIhxJw

But you can keep drinking that kool aid and ignore all video evidence ;)

>>375593018
>mausfags infinitely butthurt they can't be invincible assholes

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>>375597773
>you can't blame the tanks for general incompetence
You mean incompetence like "no, tanks don't need to see"?

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>>375597787
>ywn be this mad

>>375593018
It's pretty realistic then.

>>375597752
>had superior land tech to NATO until the mid 1980s
What does that mean exactly?
I agree it's bullshit that Soviet equipment was always portrayed as cheap unreliable junk, but that's a very broad claim to make.

>>375596320
Welcome to Russia (Google translated just for you)

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=fi&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://varlamov.ru/2333501.html&usg=ALkJrhitR1rv9ni8YUa9uGpNz_FE7I5Miw

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>>375597787
OH WOW

>>375597787
Where's the video of Russian space armor being blown the fuck out by hairy chechen apes

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Just another boring Anti Germany game, WE germans get sick on this?

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>turns corner at mach 2
>360 no scopes your tiger through the frontal armour
Xaxaxaxa

>>375598024
Germany will continue to pay for the horrific atrocities it did during WW2 till the end of times :^)

>>375597874
>I agree it's bullshit that Soviet equipment was always portrayed as cheap unreliable junk, but that's a very broad claim to make.
BMP > M113
T72 > M60
T80 > M1 (for a while)
Russian land based air defence >>>>>>> NATO (because Russia's air force was poor in comparison to NATO so this was a huge concern for them)
and so on. They had better armoured vehicles, better artillery, better doctrine, a superior strategic position, and on and on and on. Without nuclear weapons involved the USSR could have rolled over Western Europe at any point up until 1985, and maybe even later. The Soviets had tube-fired ATGMs for their tanks that could knock out M1s at 2 or 3 kilometres further than the M1's gun range while the US never got further than the Sheridan.

Everyone pretends that the USSR was some big paper tiger now because none of you were alive at the time, but the Cold War wouldn't have fucking happened if that were the case.

The Soviets spent their entire fucking economy on wartime production and development. Of course they had something to show for it.

>>375598024
>WE germans get sick on this?
Nah, you are too busy accepting refuges and playing pencil sharpening simulator

>>375598024
I want to play german campaign. Think about it, defend Berlin or survivor the war.

>>375597874
Specifically, when the T-64 and T-72 types were first in and had no equivalent as far as firepower went. That 125mm smoothbore isn't a joke compared to 105mm rifled.

There was also the general mechanized infantry equipment; these days BMP-1s and BTR-60/70s might be aged slavshit, but in their time they were revolutionary.

>>375597787
>hit the top of a tank
>surprised it explodes
Tank tops are far less armored than the sides, since the ATGM is coming from above it'd probably beat any tank realistically speaking


Its strange how during Desert storm virtually no tanks were ever lost despite being paired against Russian ATGMs by a professional army, while the Iraqis lost a huge number of russian tanks

really gets dem almonds activated

>>375598024
Panzer IV G is literally the best tank in it's BR and still good when matched over it.

>>375598178
Simulators

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>>375598118
Damn, I was hoping to collect some (you)'s with my supreme russian memes, but then this guy.

>>375597787
See >>375597608

>>375598031
>gets pwnt by an autocannon

>>375598203
>>hit the top of a tank
In at least the last clip you can clearly see the ATGM hits the turret armour dead on.

>>375598203
>hit the top of a tank
Wrong, that's frontal penetration. When your modern MBT gets penetrated from the front by an outdated Soviet ATGM there is literally no excuse no matter who is driving it. The Leopards have been proven to be utter trash because of this and the US-made Saudi M1A2S have been also penetrated from the front. That's it. Game over. The re is literally no excuse. It's complete and utter trash and all those RHA equivalent armor values you see on wiki are retarded propaganda to help kiddies argue that US dick is longer on the internet. Reality has proven otherwise.

>>375598024
F2 is godlike, Tiger H is bretty gud, King Tiger is unkillable by lower-BR tanks.
109s and 190s used to be invulnerable when BnZing, they are still quite solid. Germany only suxx at the earliest (short barrel tanks and biplanes/spaghettiplanes) latest tiers.

>>375598293
See >>375598351

It doesn't matter who is driving your tank or how. If it gets penetrated in the frontal projection by outdated ATGMs, it's trash. End of story.

>>375596492
But MP40 has always been the best gun in video games

>>375593018
>make WW2 tank game with several different factions
>there are cold war era tanks
I wish it was cold war only

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>>375593018

Literal bias and money. Anglophobia is clear in wargaming and Gaijin just wants money.

>Torvisch look. A weird British design with blueprints designed for a single crewman.
>WAIT! It was designed to kill glorious soviet armor! Throw it away!
>Now here's something! Is scrap of paper describing ultimate Russian war machine! We start programming right away! Yes!

>>375598351
>>375598409
>modern MBT
>The Leopards
M8, the Leo 2A4 has his 30th anniversary this year.

>>375598203
>arab armies
>worth a pinch of cat shit

Every war they've ever fought shows precisely how much they are worth militarily.

>>375598468
That in itself is kinda the point.

The only next-gen tank in the world is the T-14.

Guess which country made it?

>>375598468
So show me a "modern" German mass produced MBT.

>>375598506
Yeah, but guess who uses the 2A4. It's mostly sandniggers nowadays. Well, that and Austrians, but they also fuck their cousins

>>375598118
>The Soviets spent their entire fucking economy on wartime production and development. Of course they had something to show for it.
Yeah, they got the best kind of tank to show it
a tanked economy

>>375598506
>T-14
>Anything but a tech demo

It's cool and advanced yes but the likelihood of it entering broad use is as likely as the Russian economy becoming not dongs.

>>375598598
>guess who uses the 2A4
Again, if frontal penetration is the cause, there is no difference who is using it. A tank is not supposed to be penetrated from the front by ATGMs. Sure, the passive armor of any tank can be penetrated from the side or the top by even outdated ATGMs, but if the front is vulnerable, it's garbage.

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>>375598625

>>375598704
>Again, if frontal penetration is the cause, there is no difference who is using it
Not the point, the point was that it is outdated equipment that isn't actually used anymore by most first world armies

>>375595825
American is extreme nationalist.
No country in this world waving flag in normal day like you guys.

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>make WW2 ship game with several different factions
>Americans, Japanese, and British get shafted while Russians get tons of fantasy or anachronistic ships that outperform them in every meaningful way
At least their tanks weren't the joke of the world. But credit goes to World of Warships for actually having ships and not fucking patrol boats like Warthunder.

>>375598321
Turrets in generally are not that armored, and have less angling, hitting it dead on is statistically more likely to penetrate than hitting the front part of the tank and saying its the same

>>375598351
>HEAT round needs to hit flat surface to be useful
>fire downward onto top of the front frame
>No angle to deflect, thus functions

Even ATGMs from the 1970s had penetration values in the 200mm range at max distance at a bad angle, Modern systems can give an average of 800mm penetration(you read that right)
Considering this slav shit is meming "old russian weapons" hasn't posted actual warheads being used, just that they are ATGM(Fun fact, the more modern Vampir RPG has been seen used in syria against t-72s and t-90s to great effect, something the US was worried about during Desert Storm)

>>375598772
>the point was that it is outdated equipment that isn't actually used anymore by most first world armies
So which "modern" MBT do Germancucks use in any significant numbers if the Leo 2A4 is outdated?

>>375598670
It's not just a tech demo, it's intended for mass production.

Of course, the Russians can't actually afford it, but the point is that the only country doing real development on modern armour is the Russians.

The entirety of US R&D is "can we take what we've already got and make it a robot". That has its own uses and there's a reason for them doing that above and beyond the natural yankee inclination to sit on a chair doing nothing while machines live their life for them, but it's not real development of new weapons. It's a holding pattern or using what we've already got in new ways.

The Brits themselves have said that the T-14 has significant, insurmountable advantages over current-gen tanks.

>>375596020
>Panzer III and IVs suck the biggest nonsense in this game it's unreal
Git gud. The F2, H, and M are some of the best tanks of the game.

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tonk

>>375598816
They just revealed their first tribal class destroyer.

>>375598861
>Bundeswehr
>significant numbers
What did he mean by this? Their main MBT is the 2A6/2A6M iirc

>>375598851
>Turrets in generally are not that armored
Turrets aren't the most armoured, yes, but they are definitely armoured significantly.

The front of the turret is the part of the tank most exposed to enemy fire.

>>375595715
yeah thats why they won the war right lol

>>375598118
>better doctrine
Tell that to the dead T-80 crews in the Chechen war.

>>375598970
No, they won the war because they managed to build ~80000 T-34s. Quantity >>> Quality

>>375597226
>No other country forces...
>USA doesn't either.
nice

>>375598851
>Considering this slav shit is meming "old russian weapons" hasn't posted actual warheads being used, just that they are ATGM
Look like TOWs to me.

I know it's not "old Russian weapons" but the Russians have the Kornet.

>>375598024
by the late ww2, german tanks were getting hammered and shit on, you fucking wehraboo.

>>375598851
>against t-72s
The T-72 is a decade older than the RPG-29.

>and t-90s to great effect
No, it hasn't.

>"old russian weapons" hasn't posted actual warheads being used
Doesn't matter, because Muricuck propaganda is so pathetic, it has inflated the M1A2 passive RHA armor equivalent over 1.5m and even more, which is something no ATGM in the world should be able to penetrate. Reality has proven otherwise, of course, because Muricuck propaganda is just that: wishful thinking and lies.

>>375598428
What do you mean you don't enjoy facing PT-76s with HEAT-FS and stabilizers in your Panzer IV?

>>375599024
A lot of schools do

>>375598437
>Anglophobia is clear in wargaming
You kidding? If those people was able to rob mericans, they would bail on russians from the day one. Thank God people from west actually have taste and none of them falling on their tricks. Hard for me to imagine this cancer going worldwide.

>>375599018
not an argument

>>375598894
This. Also, while the PzIVc has as much staying power as wet tissue paper and turret turn speeds like a glacier, the 75mm cannon is a fucking rape machine early on

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Man the gopniks are out in full force today

>>375599116
>The T-72 is a decade older
Literally not an argument when Russians are pouring billions into a T-72 modernization program to make the tank their next gen workhorse. The T-72 will be relevant for decades.

>>375598956
Again
Reread what I said

There is no strong indicator that this is "old ATGMs from the 70s" ATGM tripods can fire a good hunk of warheads, especially since most nations don't really need upgrades to the launcher but the warhead

If thats a modern warhead it would have a reasonable chance at penetration(as it did)
Since slavshit didn't actually show us what warheads were being used it's meaningless, since the US has publically claimed that there are a handful of ruskie warheads that could penetrate(reasonably) Abrams tanks

Likewise as the russians realized their Vampir RPG was in the hands of some rebels who proceeded to obliterate t-72s and similar tanks

Fuck look at this Carl Gustav equse AT weapon obliterate this t-90
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlghQ1X5b6o

>make fun but quickly forgettable game
>load it up with a fucking piece of shit launcher that acts like a malware that is fucking impossible to remove unless you reformat your hard drive

Don't install the game

>>375598878
I think it's a matter of priorities.

The west got done fighting a series of wars where armor was practically irrelevant and anybody who wanted to fight was so far behind the power curve their armored spearheads were getting bombed to oblivion and cleaned up by mechanized infantry they're meant to overpower. Hence why all the development is on long ranged power projection and battlefield support instead of the classical armored spearhead.

The Russians are developing for the tactical, not the strategic. Their strategic military theory is still stuck in Operation Bagration and Fulda Gap.

>>375598861
2A6 / 2A7 and a lot of other variations. Most of them are fitted with upgraded armor for different purposes. A 2A6M is armored against "M"ines for example.

Currently the german army is planning to develop a new MBT but nothing specific was said yet. Seems like the actual focus lies more on the new IFV's and the IDZ project.

>>375599028
>its a TOW
Still a ATGM, I'm not saying russian equipement is bad, but its another claim to suggest anyone is realistically using 1970s ATGMs against modern MBTs

>>375599303
Dude, that is just some clickbait video with different clips from other old videos, seriously.

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>>375599116
You know that the t-90 is an upgraded t-72 right?

>The T-90 is a third-generation Russian battle tank that entered service in 1993. The tank is a modern variation of the T-72B and incorporates many features found on the T-80U. Originally called the T-72BU, but later renamed to T-90


Also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlghQ1X5b6o
>T-90 gets turret almost blown off from rocket launcher of western origin

Hurr durr
>it doesnt matter, I'm still right!
No your not, Thats not old slav shit, Thats a modern weapon to fight modern tanks and it is of to no surprise that it'd be able to destroy a tank

>everything that isn't soviet

Most of the guns Americans and Germans have better pens, fragmentation, or reloads than Russians.
Russians don't get hesh rounds, their HEAT rounds are always on the lower end.
Their best guns have terrible reloads, worse pens, and depression than others in their BR.
Russians don't get high velocity bazooka rockets that pen everything or planes with 50s that instantly murder SPAA, the only reliable fighter bomber is a lend lease P47.
Most of their armor is mediocre except for angling on some tanks, they don't have the fastest tanks other than maybe for reverse speeds or traverse, or the most armored tanks. Even the smaller caliber cannons on a plane can kill pretty much any Russian tank.
Germans have the best premium vehicle options aside from rank 4 because of the t29, t44-122, and is6.

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>play ww2 tank game
>Germany tank's transmission doesn't fall off every 500 meters

>>375599596
Fast forward to the near end

Guy on the roof blasts a t-90 so bad the damn turret almost comes off

>>375599303
That footage is old as fuck (like, pre-Russian) and those tanks look like T-72s to me.

Not to mention that's obviously a side or rear hit, not frontal.

>There is no strong indicator that this is "old ATGMs from the 70s" ATGM tripods can fire a good hunk of warheads, especially since most nations don't really need upgrades to the launcher but the warhead
I agree with that, though.

I don't think old Soviet ATGMs can knock out modern Abrams, because modern Abrams were literally designed around defeating old Soviet ATGMs.

>>375599224
40000000 dead slavs is a good argument actually

>>375595825
No, Americans are the only country in the West with a pre-war mindset on nationalism.

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>>375599596
Its dead jim

>>375597787
American export M1s don't have depleted uranium. They have steel or ceramic instead, because the US doesn't like giving it's best toys out.

>>375598351
It's an export monkey model. Saudi M1s don't have DU composites, they have steel.

>>375599336
I'm at 600 hours :(

>>375599752
It's an M1A2, but there's other factors in play here.

1. Iraq can't fucking deploy armour for shit.
2. As >>375599881 and >>375599938 said, it's a downgraded model that isn't at the same spec as a US M1A2.

>>375599697
That videos is 3 years old or something and it's T-72. It's was posted on war webm threads all the time because of the moment when guy inside crawling out from underneath of the tank.

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>>375599834
It's also not a T-90, Ahmed.

Those are obviously T-72s. You can tell because they don't have the spaced armour/ERA blocks on the turret mantle that give it the UFO turret look. See pic related.

>>375593018

Why do Americans always make us Russians either villains, bumbling idiots, or sexy chicks in their movies?

even if WoT or whatever wasn't unbalanced as fuck, why would you want to play a f2p autism grind addiction game?

>>375599680
>play ww2 tank game
>allie tank doesn't bursts into flames randomly

>>375598468
actually the leopard tank has been phased out by almost everyone now.

>since there is the new tank that is basically a leopard mk 5000 as a replacement but it's different enough that they gave it a new name


>fucking retarded politicians and bureaucrats in charge of getting replacements for our armies leopard III's decide that it's much better to by gulf war 1 surplus Abrams that are WORSE that what we have already to 'replace' them instead of buying the new leopard

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>>375596320
Russia is a fucking third world country, you dumb uneducated slav faggot.

Now go back kissing that picture of Putin.

>>375599018

>T-34 is so bad that Heinz Guderian praised it at length and the Germans were forced to change their tank designs to fight against it

>>375600218
>play ww2 tank game
>grazing shot on soviet tank doesn't turn crew into swiss cheese

>>375600054
You can stop playing any time.
t. triple that

>>375593018
which game lads

>>375600165
>villains

Cold war. No hard feelings, it's tradition by now.

>bumbling idiots

A nu cheeki breeki i v damke
Yeah Stalker's in Ukraine but Ukrainians and Russians are the same fucking thing one's just had more Polish cock in it.

>sexy women

That's just fact

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>>375600165
Have you tried playing against ruskies or slavs for that matter in online games? All of them are illiterate idiots that can't even speak english, one of the easiest languages in the world.

>>375595472
>national pride.
nationalist indoctrination

>>375600480

I am Russian, you dipshit. You wouldn't recognize the good Russians because we generally don't advertise that fact and instead speak English better than the majority of your moronic countrymen.

>>375600213
Because Warthunder is the only game that seems to enjoy having detailed combined arms combat that doesn't require me to beg my friends to buy flight sticks or joining an autism group.

>>375600317
It was good in 1940.

As soon as its superior armor and gun aren't factors the inferiority becomes obvious. Two man turrets and lack of radios as well as dogshit ergonomics and crew visibility are huge flaws.

The 85 fixed things some by adding the dedicated commander position but that hull was getting mighty dated at that point. Not as prehistoric as the Panzer 4 mind you but still.

>>375600317
whoa whoa whoa, waitaminnit, i thought the german tankers praised that it was so SIMPLE that soviets could crap out like 10 of them for every 1 tank the krauts could make, whilst being only moderately shit in comparison to the german machines so that the nazi's got BTFO by superior numbers of only slightly shittier tanks ( since the complex tanks the germans had kept dying in the ass in soviet winter)

>>375593018
Because their air force sucked and their navy was worse. All they had left was their army and they let the propaganda get to their head.

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>>375593018
What game is better for tonks, World of Tanks or Warthunder?

>>375600480

english is the hardest language to learn in the world dude. NOTHING in 'leraning english' actually tells you how to 'speak it' since not even english speaking nations actually TEACH phonetics and diagraphs anymore (because retards cannot pass those english classes and MUH NO ONE LEFT BEHIND redrawing the line)

>>375600480
English is definitely not the easiest language since so much of it doesn't make any goddamn sense.

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>>375600826
>>375600902
English is babby's first language tier, lad.

>>375600765
They're both free, m8.

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>>375600671
>Not as prehistoric as the Panzer 4
You talking shit about my waifu?

>>375599680
>Germany tank's transmission doesn't fall off every 500 meters
Fun fact: This also happen on russian tanks.

>>375600765
WT is more realistic and looks better

WoT is more fun

>>375600902
A lot of languages don't make any sense. You ever seen Hungarian?

>>375601042
I play War Thunder for plane combat while listening to eurobeat
can you do that in WoT?

>>375601042
Depends on what you call fun. I really hate the RNG accuracy.

>>375600989
Post a picture of her before the fake tits and nosejob.

>>375601042
>corridors, hp bar clicking, invis tanks and arty are fun
I played a lot of WoT, but found WT much more fun

>>375601094
well you can run in the 90's in a tier 10 light

>>375600317
>Heinz Guderian praised a tank with no visibility, shitty gun, fuel tanks on the crew compartment, one-way radio and transmision who literally fell down.
The only good thing about the T-34 was the slopped armor.

>>375600765
Do you like tanks? WT. Do you want to play a arena shooter with different controls? WoT.

WT is Project Reality, WoT is Call of Duty.

>>375600940

>contradictory rules that make no logical sense and must be learnt by rote

>doesn't even HAVE it's own alhpabet, but one bastardised from different sources.

>bastardised sources of grammar and syntax from different languages

just because you're a fuckwit who grew up 'learning' retard tier english and don't know any better doesn't mean it isn't an ass-backwards 'language'

>since it's actually trade matrices invented so that disparate european peoples could talk to each other at all

>>375600765
WoT is pure tanks, but very arcade and faster paced.

WT is combined arms, has arcade, "realistic" and "simulator" mode which change the game a lot. Realistic is usually preferred, but the other two can be fun diversions.

>>375600317
Because it was simple and cheap as fuck so Russians could pump them out en masse, not because they were good. Russians love mass produced cheap tanks because their crews are worth nothing to them anyway.

Bonus points if it has a cramped turret with an autoloader known for ripping off limbs.

>>375601256
>WoT
>arena shooter

>Call of Duty
>arena shooter

mfw

they're both autistic grind games that will gradually make you less happy the more you play them

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>>375601181
b-baka senpai

>>375600671

It was the best tank in the world in 1941. Germans deployed the Panther in 43 in an attempt to copy/counter the T-34's success.

>>375601245

>At the insistence of General Heinz Guderian, a special tank commission was created to assess the T-34.[11] Among the features of the Soviet tank considered most significant were the sloping armour, which gave much improved shot deflection and also increased the effective armour thickness against penetration, the wide track, which improved mobility over soft ground, and the 76.2 mm (3.00 in) gun, which had good armour penetration and fired an effective high explosive round.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panther_tank

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>>375600561
I'm not American, I'm from Denmark. I still speak better english than your shitty president.
>>375600826
It's super simple, especially in this globalized world we live in. You get subjected to english everyday.
>>375600902
It makes more sense than the dead cyrillic garbage the ruskies speak.

>>375601424
>danish
>talks about tanks and english

KEk

>>375600313
>Russia is a fucking third world country
Do you even know what the terms first world, second world and third world mean?

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>>375600989
>>375601181
>>375601380
Panzer IV is such a cutie, I want to penetrate her armour with my high explosive rounds, if you know what I mean

>>375601028
Yeah but you didn't need to take the entire tank apart to replace it.

>get your 8 million kg tank stuck in mud
>need another panther to pull it out
>gotta rebuild both their engines and replace the transmission

>russian tank gets stuck in the mud
>take another one out of the pack and drive off

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Russia is portrayed dumb because it literally IS a country of dumb people. All the intellectuals got killed off during the revolution and only the dregs remained.

Every russian you meet online nowadays are decendants of the worst of russian society.

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>>375601281
>just because you're a fuckwit who grew up 'learning' retard tier english
But I'm an ESL, mate. I'm just not retarded. Try learning an actually challenging language

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Who /JP/ here

>>375601554
>take another one out of the pack and drive off
Great argument towards tank quality)))

>>375595825
US is the least politically developed country.

Too bad, you're cunt started great.

>>375601489
First world - countries I like
Third world - countries I don't like
It's simple

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>amerilards pretend that they know anything about tanks or warfare in general

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>>375601649
>nip tree
>for anything but qt planes
Aho ka

>>375601713
This guy gets it

>>375601689
Who won the war you Naziboo moron?

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>>375601380
That's right you whore

Now tell all the boys about your lopsided asymmetrical turret and your tiny road wheels.

>>375601592

>a country of "dumb" people managed to get into outer space and orbit the Earth before a country with "smart" Germanics including the genius Nazi rocket scientist von Braun

Just goes to show how intelligent the rest of the world is if we're the dumb ones, huh?

>>375601689
They could be recovered later by rear forces and put back into service unlike the German tanks that could only be serviced by the dude who put it together by hand in the factory IF he had the exact same part sizes that were made bespoke for some fuckign retarded reason.

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>>375601769
Literally not an argument towards tank quality.

>>375601554
>but you didn't need to take the entire tank apart to replace it.
Thats exactly what the Russians did though.
>Transmission broken down
>Better go to the factoy and get another one xaxaxaxa

>>375601340
>cheap as fuck
It wasn't any cheaper than a panzer 4.
The only reason Russia produced a shit ton of them was because they had the industry to do it, and little help of USA giving them trucks, trains and other shit, so they could turn the truck factories into more tank factories.

>>375601384
>and the 76.2 mm (3.00 in) gun, which had good armour penetration
Note that "good armour penetration" means compared to the Panzer III 50mm gun.
The Panzer IV with its 76mm had a much better armour penetration, without sacrificing accuracy. This is mostly because the Soviet shells were shit and had low velocity.

>>375600685
Also much better armored and armed than the Pz III and IV

>>375599881
The destroyed tanks are Saudi M1A2S - literally M1A1 tanks upgraded to M1A2 standards and then equipped with custom electronics.

>>375601831
How the Russian manned space program started
>there's this fucker named Yuri who said I liked big smooth balls
>I'll show that smartass. He won't be making Sputnik jokes once it's the only thing he can have sex with
>I don't care how you do it just blast that faggot into space
>what the fuck no he wasn't supposed to come back

>>375602068
>much better armored and armed than the Pz (...) IV
>A Soviet study in 1943 (‘T-34-85 vs M26 Pershing’, p10) admitted that the Pz IV was superior to their tank, assigning it a combat value of 1.27 to the T-34’s 1.16 (with the Pz III being the base 1.0).

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>>375597787
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_90Hx7g5_5c [Embed]

>crew bails out
>"fails to penetrate"

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Because bias anon

>>375593018
Realism))))

>>375597787
>Western ATGMs don't even work properly when the Syrian monkey bother to turn Shtora on:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNCRgWIhxJw [Embed]

>demonstration video older than war in Syria
>"Syrian Reporters" watermark
totallynotpropaganda.mp4

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>tfw you pen but all you damage is their machine gun

>>375602461
what the everloving fuck

>>375602128
Except the M1A2S is still missing the DU composite. The electronic and communications suites are upgraded andit's had a massive upgrade for climate conditions, but the armour is the same package.

In addition, it's the Saudis who are utterly incapable of fighting decently and who's crews are woefully undertrained.

>>375602128
Except for the armor. It's not depleted uranium.

>>375602461
Da fuq is dis.

>>375600697
>Because their air force sucked
Name me the best ace of Allies.

>>375603023
>falling for the aces meme

By that logic the Luftwaffe was the bestest thing ever.

Aces don't make an air force any more than best singing voices or being the most qualified to be a sous chef does.

>>375600940
Nigger you are retarded,

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>>375601524

>>375602128
no export variant has DU armor
>>375602938
lack of training and general competence is one thing, but they also constantly ignore basic safety measures. There is video showing cooking off Abrams, but unlike all other videos flame comes from crew compartement rather than sealed turret rack. Only explanation for this is ammunition stuffed loosely around crew, rather than in designated and properly protected racks.

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>>375602135
Stay mad:^)

>>375603023
it's hard to hoard kills if your side is never at disadvantage

>>375603448
robot on mars

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>>375598931

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>>375602461

>>375603448
Do you actually think launching stuff into space is even remotely as hard as sending a person to the surface of the moon and then back to earth?

The real fault with the Russians is the shells they use compared to any other nation.
They get armour piercing rounds which explode once inside the tank, making nearly any kill 1 shot.
Then you have Brit's who only get APBC solid shot, which you have to pick each crew member off one by one, even putting solid shot through ammo racks won't make them explode.

>>375603202
>By that logic the Luftwaffe was the bestest thing ever.
They clearly were.

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>>375603480
this is WoT? Looks fucking terrible, and I don't mean graphics

>>375603448
All those firsts are good, but are USSR satellites guiding your car to it's destination? I don't want to say it's not relevant at all, but I believe ability to capitalize on first success is equally important, and this is where Russia sucks major balls.

>>375603781
aye, Tesla vs Edison thing. Making invention is one thing, but making it actually useful is far more important

>>375603334
Precisely. They also lost a ton of Leclercs and pretty much every AFV under the sun in Yemen despite the fact that any half-organized force should be blowing through rebel held territories like a knife through butter.

>>375593018

))))))))))))) Sekrit dokuments comrades ;^). )))))))))

Xaxaxaxaxaxaxa

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So, how is Armored Warfare now?

Dead, super dead, actually alive or aoon-to-become malware shithole thanks to mail.ru?

>>375603781

So you think that Jewing people using inventions is better than pushing humanity forward towards the stars and colonization of new planets?

>>375604283
Yes

>>375601554
>Yeah but you didn't need to take the entire tank apart to replace it.
The ironing.

>>375601698
>>375599830
>>375598805
>>375597226
>>375596242
>>375596181
>post remarking america isn't that nationalist
>Woodwork of countries comes out to cry nationalism on america but say nothing about their own countries smug sense of nationalism

really makes you think

>>375604436
Sweden is not nationalist at allunfortunately

>>375604374

Yes for what?

>>375603242
Is the Abrams turret really that off-centre?

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>>375604290
>adapting advanced technologies into practical use and spreading around world is "jewing"
>creating advanced technologies for sole purpose of boosting your ego and then leaving them in dust is "pushing humanity forward towards the stars and colonization of new planets"

>>375604506

we're immensely nationalist and lol at you not picking up on how

>>375604290
Then isn't it not relevant who exactly invented those things, comrade? We are all humans after all.
Also:
capitalize - take the chance to gain advantage from. "Advantage", not "profit". But sure, go ahead and shark at any post with "capital" in it, this sure will show those pigs their place.

>>375604283
Yes, yes, no, yes

>>375604649
yes, so gun is ideally centered to hull, while keeping mantle (which is natural weakspot of a tank) as small as possible.

>>375604675

The former wouldn't be possible without the latter, because the former uses the technology created in a dick waving contest to shekel and dime as many people as possible in new and innovative ways. The former isn't going to save us from the death of Earth and extinction of humanity, it's the latter that will, therefor the latter is more important.

>>375604890

Crap, I wanted some modern tanks game or mecha game for PC.

Im tired of WW2 bullshit already.

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>this triggers the naziboo

>>375604973
>Soviet space program wasn't dick waving contest
suuuuuure

I have no idea what the other statement is supposed to mean.

>>375605120

Reread the post you quoted again, slowly this time.

>>375605175
still doesn't make sense

These kind of games will never be good so long as they don't include full combined arms gameplay with infantry.

Trying to make realistic tank battles with no infantry is an exercise in futility.

>>375605258
tl:dr dick waving is important.

>>375605258

Well, then go read a book or two, develop your reading comprehension and come back to it later.

I just want a game where I can drive cool tanks without autism grinding for 600 years through shitty armored agricultural vehicles.

>>375605274
actually good tank game would take time to learn and play. Can't expect that in F2P/P2W game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yzMoeJsTGA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLijQi-F_p4
See Rolling Thunder guys, even with pretty barebone ArmA 2 tank play, it feels amazing because these guys know what they're doing,

>>375604973
From American side it was also dick waving contest. Except they decided to put technology into practical use.
How is that bad? would it be better to let all resources and time put into them go to waste?

>>375605843

America still needs Soviet rocket engines today to get their shit into space, so yeah, Soviet stuff is being used so Trump can tweet white in the shitter.

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>>375598297

>>375605049
>points and clicks with Ru251

>>375603781
Yes, actually, USSR satellites do guide the car to my destination. Most modern phones use GPS (american) and GLONASS (russian) in tandem for better accuracy. Learn your shit

>>375605959
They use Russian stuff because using them is cheaper. It's called outsourcing. Capitalism, brosky!

>>375606145
but thats a tier 9 now

>>375605959
We bought a bunch of old Russian engines, and rent seats on the Soyuz currently, but that doesn't mean we NEED Russian engines.

There are plenty of good US-built engines to choose from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtE_61ZR67Y

>>375606272
It's irrelevant why they are used, the point was that americans still use russian rockets, which is the case.

>>375605959
>America still needs Soviet rocket engines today to get their shit into space
Not for long.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/spacex-launches-top-secret-spy-satellite-us-government-47126609

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzQpkQ1etdA

>>375606253
didn't Americans simply turn off satelite grid for Russian Army, when they invaded Georgia? They had to borrow satelite telephones from jurnalists as improvised means of communication and coordiantion.
Didn't change outcome of war, but still hillarious thing to hear.

>>375606334
>WoT

>>375605959
And Soviets needed Germans to get said rockets.

>>375606413
>"needs"

>>375606538
The situation has improved since then, supposedly. Putin was making a big fuss over GLONASS expansion a few years ago.

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>>375593018
>the country that obliterated the Eastern Front and finally got Japan to surrender even after two nukes is portrayed with better equipment
Who would've guessed?

>>375606574
>"improved mm"

>>375606538
I remember they were using mobile phones.

>>375606689
*arty stuns your crew for 10s*

The REAL reason is the flaw of many Russian vehicles, and German ones for that matter, both around WW2, is that their weaknesses don't transfer easily to videogames unless you go full autism sim mode. All that matters is paper stats, armo thickness, hull profile, gun size, some general accuracy figure, speed. Videogames don't give a shit about reliability, cramped turrets, shitty interiors, limited view from shitty view ports, complex mechanisms that effect how easy or comfortable they are to drive, the actual quality of steel and not just thickness, and so on. So your fat fucking KV's, IS, and massive steel big cats are only balanced by making them slow as fuck or giving them shitty accuracy and gun handling stats.

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>>375606438

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>>375606683
>and finally got Japan to surrender even after two nukes
This argument is really funny, surprisingly i never heard it from soviet or current russian historians, only from japanese and shitposters.

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>>375606683

it also helps that their equipment was literally better

>>375606810
its actually 20s "just so you know"

>>375601649
what a shitty tank but i love them in MoW:AS2

>>375607050
Wait, does it really go up to up to 20?

Wew, nice job WG.

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>>375607084
>the devs made buying the Ha-Go at the start impossible

>all the dirty slavaboos ITT
Fck off, /v/ is a whites only board

>>375605843
>From American side it was also dick waving contest

primarily it was a way to get the public to agree to the humongous cost of an extensive ICBM program

>>375607193
>rug showing his ps4 collection.png

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>>375607193

>>375603742
What tank game is this?

>>375603742
War Thunder

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>>375607193
Are you American?

If they were going for Accuracy the Slavs bydlos would be using American tanks

>>375607512
Are you russian? It always them who assumes that person they speak with is american.

>>375606960
>two piece ammunition that can only be loaded if the turret is facing forward
""No""

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>>375606810

>>this triggers the tank-aboo fags

>>375604436
I'm not smug about it. I wish we could be as openly nationalistic as the US. But the fact is that America is incredibly nationalistic to a degree you really don't see outside of countries like Russia and North Korea.

>reinstall WT a few weeks ago
>brit tanks are STILL absolutely worthless
>no spalling and no HE filler on their shells
>have to snipe out the crew of russian tanks 1 at a time
>they instantly turn around and 1 shot your worthless paper armour

>see something in my taskbar called gaijin agent
>do some googling
>they literally created malware to steal your bandwidth because they don't want to pay for servers to deliver patches
>no way to uninstall it
>when you disable it in the launcher it just turns itself back on
>uninstall the game

pando media booster 2: electric boogaloo

>>375607657
It's probably 59% white now.

>>375607512
I said whites only.

>>375608060
sad
WT could be such a great game with a few changes

>>375607191
Its overkill if you can access them right away they are really good

>>375608282
>WT could be such a great game if it wasn't developed by Russians
FTFY

>>375608282
>>375608492
Sadly, Russians seem to be the only ones that care enough about military hardware to make this kind of game.

>>375606253
After how many years of exclusive military operation? If Russia was first, and if you personally is so supposedly caring about humanity that you clearly will give all your inventions away, why GLONASS became a thing only in 2010s? Why isn't world guided by GLONASS for at least 20 years now?

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>>375608298
It's not, though. It was just really fun curbstomping newbies right at the start with a single Ha-Go, since most people wouldn't even consider the possibility of it being sent out at the start. If you just take an AT rifle unit, you'll rape any Jap player trying to use it. Shame most players are just really bad at MoW, so the devs have to balance around them.

>>375607084
Shitty but cheap as fuck.

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>tfw german tanks always get up-tiered against post WWII soviet, american and british tanks

its why I stopped playing the game

>>375609097
What kind of argument is that? GLONASS had the same operational capacity as GPS since 1995, it not being commercially available for the wide public back then has nothing to do with its merits right now

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>>375609170
>another thing germans managed to ruin
thanks DMS

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fucking commie scum

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>>375609170
>tfw can't run AS2 too well and AS1 is dead

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>>375610009
Doesn't AS2 have better performance, or am I just misremembering?

>>375610195
it might run better than AS1 on a proper rig, but my Intel HD 3000 can't really handle those improved graphics

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>>375610293
>Intel HD 3000
Are you like a third worlder or something?

>>375609726
It's argument we had, that doing something first doesn't equal instant success and rights to slap your dick at opponent's face.
Don't worry, I can see you are not in mood for talking. Russians are great and clever, they do everything right, and then there is Enemy who is responsible for every misfortune Russia has. Victory is yours.

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>>375610383
m-maybe..what are you trying to get at, moomin?
also laptop for uni, gaming wasn't a priority

>>375598118
Bit late to the bait. It's because NATO did not need to rely on "strong" armored vehicles because of our reliance on combined arms and superior air force. Those cannon fired ATGMs are neat and all but when you can't move your troops for fear of air attack then they dont mean shit. That is what the NATO forces learned during WWII and the subsequent wars they fought. I know it might be difficult in slavland but read a book nigger.

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>>375607431
War Thunder.
It comes with grind and stats padding, like WoT, but gameplay itself is far closer to PvP shooters in a sense that skill and knowledge of map, and your/enemy's gear, is far more important than paded stats.

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>drives through open field richocheting every shell that hits it
>get shot in the side
>fuel tank is on fire
>nothing inside is damaged
Хaхaхaхaхaхaхaхa

>>375610823
>NATO air cover
>relevant
In your dreams, westaboo.

Russian land-based air defence would have NATO planes dropping like flies.

>>375611105
Baghdad circa 1991 and 2003 shows otherwise, kiddo.

>>375598437
When I was still playing WoT, Americans had the best tanks in most categories ever since T110E5 rolled in.

>>375611386
its not anymore. now its really bad

>>375611073
>fuel tank is on fire
>nothing inside is damaged
You mean, beside the crew?

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>>375611370
>sandniggers nigging is an accurate representation of USSR capability

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>>375610823
in case of M60 is was because they failed TWICE to field replacement, due to fucked up procedures and overblown expectations.
Eventually they did same thing Soviets always did and fielded unfinished tank, that reached desired capability over time via series of upgrades

>>375611105
Doubtful. Maybe Americas meatshield nations like UK and France. If its one thing Muricans love its air power. The problem with SPAAGs and other AAA is that they're relatively static. SEAD is a real thing NATO practices with their Airforce. Something thats not a joke to the Slavs.

>>375603448
>t. ))))))

>>375611510
but sandniggers were able to defeat the ussr in the 80's

>>375611510
>It doesnt count, even after they learned how to effectively employ ADN in 8 yeaars fighting in the Iran-Iraq War!
Slavtards kys.

>>375609170
you dont even need an AT unit to deal with it, a vehicle with a machinegun can stop it

>>375600765
I'd say WOT now since the matchmaker and SPG issues are mostly fixed and warthunder will just have you get shot 20 miles away by a T-34 penetrating your turret ring.

it's okay if Russians have superior armor as long as they make it to where the driver is randomly drunk, the crew can barely see out the ports and the tank commander doesn't know what the fuck is going on.

>>375611931
Yep, but AT rifle is the fastest way to deal with it, right at the very start.

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>>375611473
>get lit on fire
>every crew member is ok
>helicopter your turret towards your enemy
>shoot him
>the shell penetrates your enemies 30* armour and sets off a hand grenade inside him
>quietly put out the fire
хaхaхaхaхaхaх

>>375600765
it depends on what sort of gameplay you want
WoT is more about stats of your vehicle and crew
WT is more about your skill as a player

>>375611513
I know this. America has never really been concerned too much with its armored unit. Air and to an extend, Naval, innovations has always been the main concern with America.

>>375612178
>WT
>skill

yeah no

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>>375604283
they booted obsidian from the project because they tried to make it it's own thing instead of just copying world of tanks. mail.ru is just parading a same looking corpse now. it's a shame.

>>375612178
>skill
Maybe in plane RB and even that is debatable.

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>>375612110
>tfw your SP-Art-fu isn't in the game
Why are we still here?

>>375612506
Plane SB is where it's at. RB planes are so fucking easy to fly.

>>375612582
kek I totally forgot that SB even exists

>>375612641
gaijin certainly has

>>375612305
>drive forward
>get shot
>explode because ))))))))))
>drive foward
>shoot tank
>hit ammo rack, fuel tank and driver
>red )))))))))

or

Tactical game of managing armor profile, ammo and health pools, and enemy team members. Or are you one of the retards that think RNG isn't in war blunder?

WHERE ARE THE SHIPS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>375612874
>patrol boats because our shit engine litterally can't handle larger scale battles or ships

Lol. World of warships isn't even that good, how can they be this fucking stupid?

>>375612961
>destroyers announced literally 3 days ago

>>375612641
Yeah, it's pretty much dead. A few dozen players playing.

>>375610823
>bait

M8, the entire NATO doctrine was based around slowing the russians down as much as possible. Entirety of west germany was treated like a glorified road block to be sacrificed in order to keep rest of europe somewhat safe. The soviets always had the upper hand regarding a conventional land war in europe.

>>375613083
That's good and all but there's no guarantee it will keep going until we get even just CLs, let alone CAs or BBs and CVs.

>>375613083
>destroyers

oh well fuck me and call me susan.

Doesn't change the engine is a fucking joke though. Interested to see how they'll fuck up armor belts on larger ships.

>stronk soviet boiler can survive 16 inch AP rounds red )))))))))))

>>375613260
>what is hull break

>>375613097
wouldn't be so bad if they thought about unfucking the maps a bit

>>375613329
I'm fucking calling it now, anon, the damage calcs will be horrendously fucking pitiful. Somehow even worse than the aircraft damage model.

>>375613341
What's wrong with the maps?

>>375613461
>arcade maps in SB rotation

Thought this might be self explanatory.

>>375613548
That's what I thought of as well, but I thought you might've meant something else as well. Half the maps being tiny arenas makes the gameplay pretty fucking shit. Especially when some M18 just flanks into your rear and starts spawnkilling.

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>>375612874
>>375612961
>>375613083
>>375613212
>>375613260
>>375613329
>>375613459
>Germany lacks entire post-war especially for planes
>not an issue
>suddenly ships are not doable because "many nations simply would not be competitive))))))"

We all damn well know that the only reason ships aren't coming is because those dirty gopnik subhumans can't even think of a way to keep Russians at the top without going full science fiction in the navy department.