Dreamhack Austin Day 3 (Final)

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will he?

That's still a long time from now.

Go larry!

>>375506915

tr4sh top 8 just started

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>sm4sh tournament will be zerowinslol again
>3 hours til melee

Now that Dong is eliminated, ESAM is our only hope

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>>375506998

nigga zero has to play ally first winners semis

wait until that goes down before you tune out

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>Mang0 isn't the GOA-

These announcers are bretty gud.

our guy ESAM is on, give pika your energy!

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>>375507092
-T

Missed the last few hours from last night, how did mang0 vs. leff go? sfat-box?

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>>375507072
>zero picks that basic lucina and wins because the matchup is ass and ally isn't particularly good vs swords
>zero wins

>top 8
>5k viewers
ded

>>375507252

s-stop

>>375507283
Dreamhack's a melee tourney they only added sm4sh this year

>>375507283

tr4sh isn't that stacked
and it just started, early in the morning, half the country hasn't even woke up yet

>>375507219
Look at all those euro tourneys with no competition at all. Impressive!!

>>375507381
Yep, no Dabuz = no view from me

ESAM's samus vs. a Ryu

I don't even know who i want to win

Ryu is so fun to watch in the hands of a good player.

>>375507596
locus seems like a cool guy

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>smash 4

GODSAM!

Gotta say Locus was way too impatient, he basically had that but was rushing too much right into esam's aerials

What's with the lucina

>>375508523

zero hates diddy vs mario

While the Meleefags sleep

>what Civil War should have been

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who /chillin/ here

>>375507381
No. Smash 4 is just fucking boring as fuck to watch. There's a reason fucking melee pools generally has more viewers than smash 4 top 8.

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*coaches mang0 to another major win*

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>zero got hoo hah'd

this pleases me

Does Ally even go home? Or does he like live in hotels? He doesn't stream and he seems to be at a lot of tourneys. Do a lot of these pros just constantly travel

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>>375508730
Melee is just as, if not, more boring to watch.

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>>375508785

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Welp, looks like leffen isn't winning this shit

>>375508785
Under this soft exterior is a rock hard punishing and unrelenting trainer

>>375509024

leffen has elevated the pre-john meta to new heights

>coaching

what the literal fuck

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Holy shit Ally might win this. This will make up for a good Sunday

>>375509024
>already making excuses

>>375509140
he's got it, seems like he knows the matchup

>waiting for melee
>lets watch smash 4 top 8
>no exciting games, roll fest and all combos are grabbed based
Who watches this shit? Can't wait for smash 4 to get btfo at evo when the numbers drop
>>375509024
There's always an excuse with this fag

This is coming back in gf so it doesn't matter who wins

>>375509256
Did you forget MKLEO is here? he's making grands

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>ally wins
>doesn't matte since leo has his number either way

>>375509310
I've never seen him play i don't think

>>375509310
mkleo has been sucking lately.

are literally none of Lucina's moves safe on shield??

Fuck Ally and fuck canada. Hope he mexishit takes it

>tfw I forgot Leo was still in

He hasn't attended much tourneys so that must be why then there's his low placing in Civil war that came out of no where

I almost respect Zero for using a low/mid-tier to try to solve a bad matchup. Armada-esque

>>375509024
lmfao and you know he's going to bitch real hard if anyone calls it johns

Now that the dust has settled and the hype died, we can all agree that marth is better, right?

>>375509757

easily

lucina is more consistent but she'll never reach marth's heights

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I seriously don't understand why anyone takes smash 4 seriously. Melee has its bad parts but smash 4 is literally 2015 hungrybox vs anything except you can airdodge the entire time. It's awful to watch and even worse to hear, the commentary is terrible because what else are they going to say but "oooooh he read da airdodge!".

sm4sh is the LoL of "fighting games".

>>375509728
that honestly felt 70-30 though, I have no idea Lucina would get in on Mario

>>375509757
Marth def would've been safer against Mario there

>>375509757
Marth just seems a lot better

>>375509757
Haven't seen Lucina win a major #facts

>>375509728
>lucina
>low-mid
>in 2017
LEL
E
L
She's no marth, but still.

>>375509815
when did Lucky learn to chaingrab lol

void's sheik is the most beautiful thing in sm4sh

>>375509815
I'm happy to see anyone beat fat especially lucky though

>>375509815
Even if you don't like sm4sh, the gameplay is inarguably better than it used to be in like 2015. More combos, a lot more ledgeplay, more character variety, and more gimps.

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>>375509815
>sfat in charge of the fox ditto

>>375509883
there are like 20 mid-tier chars in sm4sh

Lucina isn't good enough on her own to win a major, which is my criteria for high tier

Sheik is weak in sm4sh

>>375509953
it's better than it was in 2015, it's still a much more defensive game than melee and thus will always be hated by melee tards

>>375510047
weak at what? most well-rounded char in the game

>>375509889
Dude practices all day in his room. I hope to Sakurai he practices the CG during the grind and friendlies.

Mr R would've defeated his cloud already
But it doesn't matter since he's shit vs his marth

>>375510149
Slow and weak tilts

>>375509953
yeah, upgraded from a compost heap to a recycling bin maybe. I'm watching it right now and Void literally just up-throwed up-air'd except the other guy just airdodged and got out free literally three times in a row.

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How salty will /melee/ be when the Kid wins and cuckbox loses to Plup and Leffen to finish 5th?

>>375510054
Melee is a defensive based game at high level too especially in a meta where tons of characters kill you off one fucking grab.

Does MK Leo speak English?

>>375510047

sheik is far from being weak in sm4sh, she just plays much more differently than she does in melee

>>375509953
Yes, so now it's setplay with 2gudrolling. Take the DK from yesterday. His entire fucking gameplan was to pivot grab over and over. The solution to this? Camp him.

It's hilarious to me that people in his match with Zero were bitching about Zero (I mean, rightly so in a lot of cases. He's as bad as Abadango with running) but all the DK was doing over and over was pivotgrabbing the air in hopes of getting his auto-combos.

Smash 4 is the least organic Smash game. Sad.

>>375510258
lol weak moves are good for combos. sheik's only real flaw is her lack of consistent kill setups

So who is the favourite to win Sm4sh at this point? Haven't watched anything since Civil War

>>375510309
i want to know this as well.
>>375510418
mkleo, always mkleo

>>375510287
>leffen beating m2k

>>375510189
I'm just surprised because the Norwalk meme is that they don't CG. If Mango or Johnny CG'd, they'd be so much better

>>375509846
Neither has Bayonetta

>>375510418

for this tourney? Leo easily

>>375510418
with zero in loser's i'd put it like
40% mk
25% zero
20% Ally

rest are irrelvant

>>375510525

and neither has sheik.

yet people still insist those two characters are best in the game

>>375510525
Pre-patch Bayo won Pound 4, and post-patch won a really stacked 2GG (can't remember if it was pink fresh or salem)

>>375510404
Her real flaw is her high shorthop meaning she super commits to a lot of stuff. She's comparable to Marth in that regard.

>>375510404
I meant weak aerials not tilts sorry

>>375510636
>and neither has sheik.

lol what

do you mean since the nerfs or what?

>>375510743
Oh, I thought we were talking Melee. Carry on.

>>375510776

ofc since the nerfs

>>375510636
Fox didn't start winning Majors until recently and people still put him as the best character in Melee back in 08.
Player Skill > Tiers

>>375510643
Pound 4? You mean Pound 2016? That was won by Abadango (with Mewtwo), and any Pound before that didn't have Sm4sh

KTAR Saga was nowhere near a major

You know what's fucking horrible about Smash 4? It doesn't reward reading your opponent with any sort of consistency.

g r a t i s

Cloud is an easy answer to every matchup you think is bad and don't want to work on it.
Prove me wrong.

>>375510309
I think a few sentences or words, but from what people have said no he doesn't. Which is amazing when you consider how well he does in teams and shit

>>375511208
i would agree with you, but mkleo has beaten void plenty of times with marth

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>>375511208

ESAM pls go Samus

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>smash 4

whens melee?

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I'm legit rooting for ESAM at this point

He's pretty annoying IRL but his Pika and Samus are great to watch thanks to him being a lab monster

Also he seems to be pretty good at taking out top players

>>375511386
After this I assume

>>375511386
Already over, mang0 beat hbox 3-0 and The Nation rejoiced

>do not like ESAM
>Have to root for him since he is actually approaching and Zero just runs
Fucking. Cancer.

>>375511147
>It doesn't reward reading your opponent with any sort of consistency.

I don't think you know anything about smash 4 or you're in another tab while games are going on.

>>375511468
i kinda like esam, his opinions can be annoying but he seems to have genuine passion for these games and tends to stay pretty positive

>>375511468
Just separate the player from the person, ESAM's pika is incredible

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>>375507092

>mangofags still exist in 2017

>>375511464
That was losers finals, sillly.
Chu won the event.

>>375511592
>his opinions can be annoying
Like what?

SAMUS HYPE

>>375511469
Nice argument. Airdodge 50/50s are nearly it. Nearly all hits end up being whiff-punishes instead of pushing the other person's shit in because they are being read. You wait, get your grab/starter, do your auto-combo, and then just play defensively until they throw something unsafe out.

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*blocks your ledge*

what do?

Let's mention things brawl did right, i'll start.
Rocketbarrel boost.

What exactly are you supposed to do to get back on this stage in this game. Just seems hopeless against a character with diddy who can cover every option with banana+ back air

Not sure why ESAM's trying to camp, he always does way better going super aggressive

I gotta admit that ESAM has come a long way that he deserves to make far as he usually goes.

>>375511735
Reading your opponent in 4 is what wins you games at higher level play. Again, you don't pay any attention. At all.

>Nearly all hits end up being whiff-punishes instead of pushing the other person's shit in because they are being read.

There really is no argument to be made against someone who literally apparently hasn't watched a single high level game of smash 4 ever. The exact opposite happens in matches. I'm amazed you're so blind and ignorant.

>>375511961
Ban it when you're against Diddy

>>375512037
He's been doing really well since Civil War

>>375512106
>watching current match
>Zero is literally waiting for ESAM to whiff or approach and punishing over and over
Maybe it's that you've only been watching Smash 4 and nothing else

Fuck that fat faggot. Kills everything that's remotely hype about this game

Why can't Zero smile?

Do you think he hates fun?

>>375512365
>>375512354


He hates losing. It hurts his ego. When you win so convincingly for so long and then people catch up, it starts to hurt your pride and arrogance. He's still saltyfied over Civil War

I think ESAM was panicking a bit when he was basically spamming B for a while.


>>375512365
Ally doesn't seem to smile much compared to Zero. Whenever he wins, he seems to not give much of a shit or he's just naturally deadpan

Blur/Armada for top 8 PLEASE

>>375512505

this is why I hate when people compare zero to armada. zero is nothing more than an immature toddler who's "dominance" came early in the game's meta with a broken character and wasn't even that impressive.

armada is a much more respectable figure to have at the top.

are these guys brothers or something lol

>>375512685
Armada is boring af, Blur/Toph would be the best timeline

This is like a melee match with the characters pants being full of shit

>>375512805
Respectable figures completely drop out of tournaments because their controller broke and they didn't bring any sort of back-up and refuse to use anyone else's spare?

>>375506618
again, not a serious fighting game

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>>375512805
>You stupid fucking cunt. You, Gonzalo, I'm talking to you, shithead. You just cost me $4,700. Forty-seven hundred dollars, and one trophy. That's right. What are you going to do about it? What are you going to do about it, asshole? You're fucking shit. Where did you learn your neutral, you stupid fucking cunt, you idiot? Who ever told you that you could train with god's controllers? Oh, I'm gonna have your gf, shithead.

>>375513378

he doesn't need to attend shit, if he wants to drop out he has all right to. he has absolutely zero responsibility to entertain a bunch of neckbeards on twitch.

>>375511951
Introduced a lot of important things people tend to ignore when talking about brawl's faults, eg: RAR, footstools, DACUS, etc

Introduced an online mode, albeit a shitty one.

Button mapping.

Ally has been doing good

that Red Bull he's been drinking has taken a toll

zzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZ when tf is melee

>>375514151
Fuck you faggot, sm4sh is hype as fuck. Who wants to watch fox vs. fox on Final D again?

So who's worse, the people that insist on pointing out Smash isn't a "fighting game" every thread, or the Melee/Sm4sh autist who argue about their game being better every thread?

>>375514316

This is bait.

>people still trying to push Harambre

Holy shit people need to let it die already
...
.....
.....
Like Harambre

>>375514412
>Melee/Sm4sh autist who argue about their game being better every thread?
This one, god I fucking hate this one.

>>375514412
specifically sm4sh autists who think they have a leg to stand on in their argument with us

>>375511951
Stages. It added a bunch of good ones.

>>375514412
>or the Melee/Sm4sh autist who argue about their game being better every thread?
The thing is that it's mostly the meleefags that start these.

The majority of threads are normally meleefags, but they start complaining about the minority of Sm4shfags in the thread instead of appreciating what they already have.

So is melee not going to start until this trash grand finals is finished?

>>375514789
>melee is better just because it is

>>375514995
Melee is 4 stock because its way faster and better

>>375514789
>>375514995
STOP

>>375514989
Yes they're both on the same stream. Stop being an impatient twat

>>375515064
Literally >melee is better just because it is

>>375514789
>>375514995
>replies to a post about how annoying the constant Sm4sh V Melee arguments are
>by arguing about Sm4sh V Melee

>>375514995
I mean just watch both of them for 5 minutes
>>375515068
No they need to be shown why they are wrong

>>375512805
>talking shit as a commentator for hours
>respectable

>Larry one of the few honest players that tries to approach
>People camp him constantly
I never understood why he didn't try to go to Melee instead of sticking with Brawl/Smash4

Mario vs Marth is a gay matchup for Mario. Marth gets so much free shit.

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Is there a place to find out how much money is giving out for the winners of tourneys?
I mean it has to be a lot for some pros to do it for a living right?

Or are those numbers not disclosed?

>>375515105

I can wait, I just wanted to know whats up.

>>375515327
It's why Zero picked up Lucina
gets a better MU against Mario while playing training wheels Marth

>>375515151

>someone reaches ~80%
>hit off stage
>recovers for 5 seconds
>hit off stage
>recovers for 5 seconds
>hit off stage
>recovers for 5 seconds
>hit off stage
>recovers for 5 seconds
>hit off stage
>recovers for 5 seconds
>hit off stage
>recovers for 5 seconds
>reach 200%
>hit off screen
>stock over
>other player reaches ~80%
>hit off stage
>recover for 5 seconds
>hit off stage
>recover for 5 seconds
>hit off stage
>recover for 5 seconds
>hit off stage
>recover for 5 seconds
>hit off stage
>recover for 5 seconds
>reach 200%
>hit off screen
>stock over
>first player reaches 80% again
>hit off stage
>recover for 5 seconds
>hit off stage
>recover for 5 seconds
>hit off stage
>recover for 5 seconds
>hit off stage
>recover for 5 seconds
>reach 200% again
>hit off screen
>stock over
>match over

There's nothing to argue about.

>>375515389

smash wiki, though sometimes it takes a week or two for the information to show regarding prizes

>>375515327

Mario got indirectly nerfed by DLC just because everyone is so damn disjointed. Mario has kind of always suffered in this way across games. If he had either better range or mobility to make up for the lack of range he'd be solidly high.

>>375515389

Some tournaments show their prizepool as part of their promoting.

For Dreamhack Austin (Melee, not trash) its 10k.

>>375515327
Honestly, Ally should have a secondary instead of Mario all the time. I love his Mario, but he doesn't have a good MU against other characters.

What the fuck do they have their headsets plugged into? Like can't you only plug one into the tv? Or do they listen to music or some shit? Or is it just to cancel out noise?

how do people watch this garbage

>>375515686
He used to have Marth but dropped him early on (before he has buffed), and for some reason he hasn't picked him up back yet after the buffs.

>>375515728

Their phones. Playing some trash music as they play their trash game.

>>375515686
He tried using DK against Leo, but trying out a secondary on the arguably best player of both his worst Mario MUs wasn't the brightest idea

I wish they'd do Sm4sh after Melee every time now, much less whinging in these threads

>>375515728
>what is an audio splitter

>>375515510
still better than
>someone is hit off the stage
>hang off the ledge so they just fall to their death without a chance to contest it

Why do people like this fat fuck anyway?

>>375515510
link me one (1) game that went like this

>>375515904
We have evo to test that out. I very much think we'll get the usual meleefags shitting up the thread after Melee's over

>>375515983
No-one does

In fact, for a while he was "hype" simply because people got closer and closer to beating him, having a villain in that way isn't that bad

>>375515983

i blame his jewtube channel.

everyone else, twitch chat, and even reddit (though they're too pussy to say it in the open) despises him

>>375516067
Nah, we had a major a month or so back where that's how it was done, and the threads were way better

Civil War threads were great too

so sleepy...zzz...

Zero is our guy tho

Why can't Sakurai program his stages

>>375516067

Doubt it, we don't really give a fuck about Smash 4. Just don't get in the way of our Melee okay

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>Larry in 2017

>>375515510
>needs 4 stocks because they can be lost from 3 hits and hanging on to a ledge

Hahhahaha

>>375516286
Why does sakruai only care about dlc over gameplay

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>>375516253
Dabuz is, we've estabilished this ages ago.

>>375516253
money match me coney

>>375516289
>we

stop speaking for "us", faggot

threadshitters aren't welcome

>>375516067
EVO isn't a good test as Street Fighter stream monsters will be fucking everything up for everyone.

>>375511951
Made an effort to declone a lot of characters

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>>375516380
where coney at

>>375516345
>VLC in the background
This trigger the /a/non.

>>375516345
>le autistic shit gameplay anime man

no

alex19 making a living off of being melee's waiting room

>>375516404
>us

stop speaking for us, faggot

Just came in, who's on the winner's side?

>>375515942
No it isn't. Ledgehogging is a system that encourages mixups and proper reads, as well as ensuring that stocks don't take too long. Having trumping in place just means that people do the same braindead shit over and over and live forever. It takes no skill to recover in Smash among the top tiers and it's often why stocks last so long.

>>375516567
Good for him. He sure wasn't going to make it off of his gameplay.

>lucina about to win a major

Let's fucking go

Is this going to be the earliest Melee, Smash 4 top 8's ever?

Usually on Sunday it goes til like 2AM EST, but today smash 4 is almost already over, and I'm assuming Melee top 8 isn't going to take 12 hours

>>375516624

mkleo in winners grands

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>>375516565
>shit gameplay
t. i form opinions based on twitch chat and reddit
>anime man
>this is supposed to be bad

>>375516753
Gotta free up some viewers for CSGO I guess

>>375516789
oh here's the single dabuz defender in these threads

hey, hi

Do grills play at smash tourneys?

>>375516753
Yeah it was like this last year and there was no sm4sh either. I don't know why, but I would guess it's good for the players if it's not played too late

>>375516901
Sm4sh has a few mid tier girl players, Melee has like one or two

And Smash Sisters exists, I guess

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>>375515510
It honestly depends on the MU and players. Fox v Ryu is probably gonna play out faster than Robin v Villager, just like how in Melee a spacies set is probably gonna be faster than puff/samus/peach set.

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>Zero winning
I didn't mind Zero that much until his loss in Civil war when he had that temporary meltdown

>>375516663
>Ledgehogging is a system that encourages mixups and proper read
Like ledge stealing and counter ledge stealing
>It takes no skill to recover in Smash among the top tiers and it's often why stocks last so long.
>You cant cheese a kill so games take longer
Why, yes, you just nailed it

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>>375516901
Yah but they are awful

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>>375516861
I'm only alone in this thread, not on major ones, but hi anyway

>>375517056
Would you teach her how to play Ike, /v/?

>>375517056
She is kind of cute..and fat, but cute.

>>375517056
That match was something else.

>>375517325
W-will smash /v/kend ever return?

>>375517341
>thats considered fat

>>375517472
Wait, is it gone? I never participated but kind of appreciated it being there

Melee fags are despicable

>>375517056
What was funny was that the commentators couldn't really say anything about the girl because she was bad and were talking about other things instead

Let's fucking go

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Will they ever win a major again?

>>375517056
is this up on youtube yet?

no doubt about it

>>375517713
To be fair, the games were over in like 30 seconds each

>>375517572
Please be joking. You can see her fat belly and her fat upper arms.

The fuck do you mean 'considered'?

Ally's weakness is that he only has one character

>>375517876
>tips fedora
2/10 would not bang

>>375517906
Yeah, I'm surprised that he hasn't picked up a proper secondary yet

That said, he hasn't remotely pushed Mario to the limit. He's a very good fundamentals player, but then you watch someone like Zenyou who really gets a fuckload from one hit. Zenyou's fundamentals aren't quite as good, but Ally could really do with some proper labbing.

>>375517627
It's not really gone, but many people moved onto a discord after a certain two people and their followers moved there. So of course people wanted to play with the followers, even if they didn't like the big two. So they also came, it's pretty lame.

>>375517993
I never said I wouldn't hit it, love fatties

>>375517906
Ally's problem is he always tries to walk it in

for me, it's Ranai

At least we don't have to watch more Mario Marth.

>>375516663
As a Melee player, nothing is wrong with trumping. It has its own set of mindgames and mixups. The issue is insane ledgesnap combined with forcing people to be stuck on ledge and up Bs with stupid hitboxes/priority so that they can almost never be challenged. Look at characters like Bayo and witch twist. Most of the cast have zero moves that beat it, let alone a move that can beat it while edgeguarding.

Melee doesn't need trumping, but that isn't Smash 4's problem.

>>375518092
So it kind of became a circlejerk? That's too bad, but most /v/ communities share that fate

>>375517906
>>375518118
>problem

He generally does fine in tourneys.

>>375518114
I just frew up

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>Zero vs Leo
Well it was good while it lasted.

>>375518092
>It's not really gone

But it hasn't happened in weeks

Also I know one of those people is Spooky, not sure who the second guy is.

>>375518170
Unfortunately. Though it already kinda was one before the discord.

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>finals
>all spics
>one underage, a fat fuck and based ally
>ally lost
This shouldm't be allowed, fuck. Swords are killing the game

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>>375518142
This is correct, and I love Sm4sh. Trumping is a great mechanic, as is losing ledge invincibility once you regrab the edge, but Sm4sh's problem is the "magnet hands".

It's frustrating that they came so close to having good ledge mechanics in a Smash game, but never perfected it.

>>375518279
Brow was the one who created it. People like her for whatever reason, even though she shows no interest in them.

>>375518092
>>375517472
I could try to make a room tonight but, no one is going to join

Because I tried Friday night and it 404'd

>It's a ZeRo wins Smash 4 episode
>It's an Hbox wins Melee episode

Pls no.

>>375518142
Sm4shfag here, this is completely accurate.

>>375518301

do you honestly prefer zero's diddy to marth/lucina?

>>375515904
>>375516067
Why don't you fucks leave and make your own smash Wii U thread then. It's not like melee fans want to read about what characters got buffed and nerfed etc

>>375518142
But every problem you mentioned is only an issue because of trumping. Insane ledge snap and unchallengeable up-Bs are a non issue if you can't grab the ledge.

>>375516206
This

When's melee start

>>375518472
Because it's literally always fine? Ignore posts that don't matter to you, don't be an threadshitter. I don't even watch Sm4sh and you fuckers are the actual worst.

>>375518301
All I know is waifufags are going to have a fucking field day at the end of Smash 4 GF.

>Whip out Cloud
>lose
when will they learn

>>375518401
I've seen this one before

Based cutest boy plup is going to take melee
Thank you based armada for dropping so mango has to face chu

>>375518553
its literally in the fucking op text

>>375518307
Magnet hands, up Bs, how teching works, the physics of curved ledges (totally jank), the lack of meteor cancels, totally retarded airdodges... hell, even the fact that a lot of characters have soft punishes for a character who regrabs ledge. A lot of dsmashes whiff. Smash 4 carries on the total fucking jank that Brawl had, except hitboxes are even worse because they went the other way (too big in Brawl vs too tiny in Smash 4).

You know what's absolutely fucking bullshit? Having a pikachu, luigi, lucario, whatever fuck up totally massively in front of you, but the game "squishes" their hitbox into the ground and nearly everything, grabs included, whiff.

>>375518658
>>375518553
This meme sucks

If Chu learned to Ftilt missles, would he start to beat Plup?

>>375518596
thank god m2k won that set at ceo dreamland

>Reset match
Yes. Make the stream longer

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who else waiting for sfv

>>375518569
Wouldn't two separate threads be just as fine? Why is it so forced to have two completely different games combined?

Is pierce our guy?

>>375518671
What's wrong about airdodges and teching? Nothing wrong with having harder teching, and airdodges are different but extremely punishable

>>375518519
They would still very much be an issue. Do you honestly think the majority of Melee edgeguards are due to ledgehogs? No, they are aerials stuffing attempts back.

Being able to stuff a recovery with an aerial and requiring precision recovering would mean that a lot more of the game would be focused on pushing a character offstage and gimping rather than the setplay that currently exists.

You have a non-argument because trumping doesn't create the anti-edgeguarding issues Smash 4 primarily suffers from. Even a system where trumping existed but you could drop from ledge with invincibility and no snap/rigged hitboxes would solve that issue since you could just stuff the attempt by timing your shit first.

There are merits to both trump/no trump systems. There are zero merits to free recoveries.

>>375518718
It is a commitment that can be punished. Normally with short hop fast fall down air. Same way Plup punishes spacies shining the missile.

>>375519021

>sleep tighter 5
you had one job, fgcuck

>>375519026
Because there's a lot of overlapping fans? Just because you aren't doesn't mean everyone else is. Smash 4 and Melee usually follow each other too, so there can be speculation and such while the other game plays. Nothing wrong with that.

"I don't want to read x" is not really a valid argument. I'm sure pretty much no-one asked for your continuous angry shitposts.

>>375519021
Du is winning, who cares?

>>375519208
Du is out

>>375519031
Absolutely not, I hate that fucker

Ban coaching already

>>375519037
There are literally untechable situations in Smash 4 both off an onstage due to the game saying "fuck you" to the player. Techs aren't "harder," they are less possible.

And airdodges/rolls are cancer when looking at framedata. People have found decent setups to try to exploit them, but they are still retardedly good. The only saving grace for airdodges in Smash 4 is the landing lag.

>no one but m2k's cloud down throws into cross slash

It's guaranteed at low percents, I have no clue as to why no fucking pro but m2k does it.

>leo in charge of winning vs zero
Can we skip into melee already?

>>375519021
only if Xian wins

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>We are going back to "Zero wins everything"

>>375519245
Really? Man, SFV truly is the Smash 4 of Street Fighter

>>375519161
Overlapping fan here, I'm still tempted to agree that we should split the threads if only to avoid sperging from the more autistic members of the community.

>>375519362

>There are people that prefer this to what happened at Civil War

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>Lucario

>>375519402
He lost to snek eyes though

>>375519362

ceo dreamland and dreamhack were both very top heavy

we need another civil war with a bunch of mid level jankmasters to fuck zero up

>>375519306
>Techs aren't "harder," they are less possible.

They have a window of 12 less frames. That's pretty objectively "harder". And yeah, untechable situations exist, but they are often a solution to one of the other things you mentioned: slanted edges for easy recovery (which I agree are dumb). It's just different, but not bad.

>And airdodges/rolls are cancer when looking at framedata.

What does this even mean? They're a viable option but very punishable, which is pretty balanced. Don't let that For Glory experience influence your opinion on them.

>>375519419
Nah, just tell the spergers to fuck off

>it's a zero loses in a matchup he doesn't know episode

Yawn

>>375519526
Snek pulling out the zangief?

People... get excited... for this?

Leo is going the Tsu route.

Hoping that his rage + aura combo will beat Zero

>>375519362
I fucking love it. I love watching people try to hype up other players, but they get shut down by Zero's consistent play. He's the only reason Diddy even has his spot on the tier list.

>>375519510
He's making it work, somehow

Might just be the surprise factor

>>375519650
Because that usually works

>>375518671
most of that I agree, but lack of meteor cancels and stupid tech mechanic makes some sense.
If you could meteor cancel moves in smash4 people would live even longer that they down. The same thing with untechables at high percents.

>>375519686
He does for some matchups
Du lost to Akuma though

well this sucks, at least melee doesn't have much to follow up on

>MKLeo choking this hard

jfc

>>375519727
Just like kiri :^)

>>375519565
Seriously, every tournament needs Japanese players, they're the ultimate upset masters

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What is Ally thinking in this exact moment?

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>Lucina in top 8
>Zero

Being a Lucina fan is hard

>game is 90% neutral
>"surely the combos will make me win"
what did he mean by this

>>375519771
Usually it's not even necessary, it's just that this weekend had some very persistent angry retards

tfw stopped playing overwatch early so i can watch mang0 lose to chu again but sm4sh isnt over yet

pretty interesting how badly mkleo gets destroyed by zero now

>>375519789
So then change the game in other ways instead of putting in things that mitigate skill. I would be more fine with the no meteor cancel thing if you could actually DI shit in Smash 4 so DI + tech was a possible solution to a lot of techs. It's harder to do than a meteor cancel but gives you some option of survival

>>375519867
>"what if mario had a sword"

>>375519867
>if I lose to this greasy spic one more time I'll pick up Mii Swordsman

nice game

Welp, fuck you ally for losing to this mexishit

that was so anti-hype and it wouldn't have been hype any other possible way either

>>375519161
Its kind of annoying when certain names get brought up and I think they're talking about melee people by their first name.

Also do you not believe in multiple tabs? Do you ever only have one thread opened at a time? I don't get why smash Wii U people are so vehemently against separate threads. I guess it's just natural for them to cling on to melee

>>375519741
lucario's pretty good
as long as he's above 40%

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Welp, disappointing top 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8G3mxfbTHQ
Can a now headache-less loser's m2k pull it off today?

>>375519868
>Zero is a Lucinafag

Just goes to show how shit your taste must be to like that garbage.

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>>375519932
Who is the worst at melee and why is it Mango?

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>post yfw mango loses to chu again

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>Zero wins
>audience is sitting quietly but still clapping

>>375519868
>Dropped Lucina immediately as soon as he lost against Ally using her
One more in the trash, that.

>>375520046
Oh god, you're that same angry faggot of yesterday who got triggered because he thought "Zack" was SFAT or something

I'm sure you'll be able to cope, you're a big boy

>>375520178
Surely he's learned the literally single DI he needs to win, right?
Right?

>>375520041
I don't know, I like it. It's like watching M2K play well, I just like watching him shut down people who try to get him with an uncommon matchup or cheesy strategies with his shield pressure and mixups.

>>375520169
>enters two doubles tourney on a whim and wins
i dont think so autist

>>375520178
=D7

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>>375516901
>read /r/smashbros
>"Does any female have a chance of making the top 100 in melee" thread
>everyone agrees x is the best female player
>someone says "i thought that was a guy"
>"no she's transgender"

>>375520149

What is going on here? Hunter x Hunter is some anime right? What the hell is a hiatus chart? Is his favorite anime back or something

>>375520178
I'd like to see this just so I can witness the butthurt of mango dickriders but I don't think it's going to happen again.

>>375520257
>>375520178
>>375520169
>>375519932
Why is mang0 so hated in the community? I'm new to smash so just curious.

>>375520272
I wish M2K would play Sm4sh again and not drop out

He's the only Cloud I enjoy watching and he actually destroys Zero

>>375520285
>doubles
doesn't count :)

>>375520354


He's the most loved player in the entire scene. There will always be haters though, especially on a place like 4chan.

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>>375520178
>tafo will never get mango to learn how not DI vs IC

>>375520354
He's not hated, he's just performed a lot worse this year for no percievable reason.

>>375520354
he's not he just has losing streak against a player people expect to him to be able to beat.

>>375509815

this post proves that the melee-autism levels going to new realms

>>375520406
He doesn't play carefully in Sm4sh for some reason, he just throws shit out and sees if it works.

whens melee starting? I read 1pm but it didn't say the timezone. I'm est.

>>375520169
He looked terrible against duck and then amazing against leffen. Let's see how he deals with chu

>>375520195
1000% that was me. All I'm saying is have two tabs open. One for Wii U and one for melee. It's that simple.

Yeah, even though Chu has done it twice, I still can't bring myself to expect him to win again.

>>375520354

he's washed up and us sick bastards want him to continue sinking to irrelevancy

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>>375520354
He's the most loved player in the scene, this is 4chan home of the contrtrians. Do the math anon.

>>375520257
Surely he's learned he needs to drop memeco and go fox?

>>375520524
1 pm central

WHEN'S MAYLEE?

>>375520354
I like mango
I hate his fans and the fact all the commentators are on his fucking cock 24/7 so naturally I want him to lose to see them in flames.

>>375520354
His obnoxious fanbase and all the commentators that suck him off mid-set. Especially him continuing to call himself "The GOAT"

>>375520628
hasn't he already tried that?

>>375520660
15 minutes ago

>>375520536
And I'm saying just fucking deal with it. Everyone else does, and I'm afraid you'll have to deal with it next time there's a shared tournament as well.

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>this song on stream right now
what did they mean by this?

hope chufags will leave the thread when he's 3-0'd by mang0.

I want megaman to win a tournament

>>375520764
whats wrong with liking Chu

>>375520567
I thought that about n0ne and m2k.

>leffen starts hosting dreamhacksmash once tr4sh is off
It's the little things

>>375520354
He's actually the player with the most cocksuckers, and since /ourguy/ has been fucking him up lately we feast on the tears of the mangonation.