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>you will never accidentally wander into duskwood for the

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>you will never accidentally wander into duskwood for the first time and stumble upon the entire zone teaming up to kill a world boss ever again
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>you'll never kite stitches to goldshire again
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fuck you
it's fucking sunday morning you cunt I don't need to remember shit like this
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>A cold Sunday morning, you've woken up early, opened the window to take in the crisp air. You log into your character and the music to pic related begins playing.
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>>375499686

And then you spend 2 hours killing spiders.
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>>375499041
what did they do to pudge???
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>>375499818
and you enjoy every second of it
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>>375499179
>mfw he kills the quest giving NPCs after bringing him over
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>>375499686
Why were WotLK zones so absolutely perfect? All of them just miraculously worked.
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Why are you doing this to me /v/.
Even if I wanted to play this I can't anymore, it's not the same.
I guess it's true what they say, you can never go back to WoW
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>you never did any of these things because your internet was and still is trash
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>>375500248
Wotlk was the absolute peak.The end of the expansion killed wow
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>>375499686
>tfw when I first played WotLK it was snowing
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>>375500853
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>Elysium is fucking mess
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>>375500780
t. kid who did not play since vanilla release
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>>375501226
not
>>375500780
I played vanilla through Cata and Wrath was still the best m8
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>Legion is such a piece shit I actually closed my battle.net account over it
>no decent vanilla servers to play
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>>375500248
ehhh Borean Tundra was kinda boring, not really cohesive. Only redeeming aspect of it for me was the Taunka presence because I love all the Tauren offshoot races.

Crystalsong was just eye candy.

The rest were all winners though.

Zul'Drak was my favorite.
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>>375501206
Well what did you expect, you dumb asshole?
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>>375500780
Literally kill yourself you dumb wrathbaby.
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What are some wow-core songs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp4FWQ9Ljbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OULSTtIDqQ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv-oswyPzak
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>>375500248
they were made with a lot more resources than vanilla zones. similar level to TBC zones.
but while TBC setting and lore were mostly garbage, WotLK setting and lore were really good.

>Wotlk was the absolute peak
in terms of design, production quality, lore, story and atmosphere? absolutely.
gameplay wise not so much, but still a lot better than the stinking heap of garbage we have now.
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>>375501446
>Borean Tundra was kinda boring

coldarra was great
but the rest of the zone sucked major dick
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Vanilla
>good MMO
Every expansion after
>less and less of an MMO
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>>375501226
>>375501510
I started in vanilla and ended in Cataclysm so fucking kill yourself nu-males.
Did you even play the old Warcraft games? I think not
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>>375501532

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ6Ami3mxPk
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WotLK > TBC > shit > piss > other expansions > Vanilla """"""WoW'"""""
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>>375501648
Yeah Coldarra was cool. I barely associate it with the rest of the zone because it's so separate/isolated.
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Anyone else watch those dev QA?

Those things made me stop my sub. The devs are making it very obvious that they are out of touch with what the game needs and what players are looking for. They just do not care anymore. They havent since WotLK but its just become blatantly more obvious with modern WoW and its new dev team which seems to be comprised of normies and inflated ego devs.

At least with other games the devs actually care about the game and its setting. In WoW they care about neither. Hearthstone and HotS pays more respect to Warcraft than WoW does at this point. At least in HotS Tyrande dresses like she's supposed to and Thrall isn't a pussy.
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>>375501760

Vanilla WoW best WoW. It's the only one with good PvP = it's the best
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>playing a game that's designed by a tumblerina who plays on a tablet

kek
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>>375501693
>played till Cataclysm

You are a fucking idiot if you played the game that long. A brainless zombie.
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>>375501532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Aj9_8t1eQc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8UTS2iFXOo
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>>375501903
I hit max level in Cata and stopped. As I said, wow died after WotLK
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>>375501446

>Blizzard couldn't do anything with Crystalsong because Dalaran was lagging out.

Why didn't they just take Dalaran and move it somewhere else?
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>>375500248
>Why were WotLK zones so absolutely perfect?

They were horrible.
Snow, ice, snow, ice, snow, ice, jundgle, snow, ice, snow.
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>>375501693
All classes felt complete on WoTL unlike TBC
I played since Vanilla and both my Paladin and Shaman were the most fun they ever were on WoTL
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>>375501843
>rogue destroying every class without a chance but warlock
>but hey, there is a WotF and Shadow Reflector, not you are a truly PvP master
>It's the only one with good PvP
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>>375501975
WoW died when TBC came out.
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>>375501991
>Northrend
>snowy and icy
really makes you think
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>>375502010
>rogue destroying every class

You mean mage.
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>>375501991
I felt they were a lot more varied than I expected of Northrend.
In WC3 it was exclusively ice.
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>>375501532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw-m4jEY-Ns

ultimate edgelord edition
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>>375501770
>They just do not care anymore. They havent since WotLK

they still cared when they made cataclysm
but the audience of retarded wrathbabies they had cultivated over the previous two years quickly forced them to abandon their great plans and dumb down everything for them

>having a blast with early cata dungeons and heroics
>shitters sperging out because their shitty dungeon finder groups suck too much to clear anything
>mfw blizzard literally shuts them down with a lengthy "git gud scrubs" post
>https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/2053469/wow-dungeons-are-hard

good times
then, a few months after release, they caved to the shitters' demands and nerfed everything to the ground
and that was the last time the game ever had challenging and interesting 5man content

RIP
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>>375502010

Rogues could get outplayed by any class with a well timed pvp trinket and good use of nades/stuns/snares.
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>>375502014
(You)
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>>375502014
No it fucking did not, if you was a fan of Warcraft it was only the beginning.
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>>375502037
>really makes you think

If your brain consists of 6 cells, then sure.
I'll take Outland, Vanilla, Cata, or any other expansion areas.

Apart from Ulduar and Tankadins getting a proper mana regen Wotlk was terrible.
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should I start playing WoW now, or is it a big mistake?
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>>375502059
Nope, mages had no chance against warlocks and shamans. Soul Link warlock was beating anything but rogue.
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>>375502010
>getting this assblasted over one short patch window
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Heh heh.
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>>375499686
>still have my ICC-geared hunter I abandoned at the end of WotLK to start fresh on a different server for the Cata leveling content
>been sitting in Dun Morogh for years waiting for me to pick her back up

I miss her bros
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Why Wrath was complete trash:

>Bland lvling zones
>The first babysteps into linear questing
>Dungeons were a AoE rush with no challenge whatsoever
>No dailies/rep except for useless rep shit
>Tier gear for fucking badges
>A fucking 'hero' class
>Rehashed, untuned Naxx
>PVP being a fucking shitfest (DK + protholy)
>ToC being a literal filler raid
>One of the worst daily hub blizzard ever created (argent tournament)
>30% nerfed ICC paving the way for the literal shitters that play retail nowadays
Good things in Wrath:
>Ulduar
>Arena season 7

All around Wrath was the expansion that only had half the content of TBC, and half of that content was also garbage. Wrath catered to angsty teens who loved playing their DK and easy as fuck raids.
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>>375501991
but thats not true
>tundra
>jungle
>glacier
>snowy mountains
>woodlands
>troll megacity
>fjordlands
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>>375502148
>but the audience of retarded wrathbabies they had cultivated over the previous two years quickly forced them to abandon their great plans and dumb down everything for them

In PvP at least.
DK's cried about not being gods anymore, Ferals cried about not being immune to roots and snares anymore, and everyone cried about Mages being OP because they actually dealt damage instead of being rank 1 frostbolt spamming snare-bots.
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>>375502148
>that was the last time the game ever had challenging and interesting 5man content

Current wow has mythic dungeons that can go up to a certain difficulty level.
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>>375501898
what a punchable face.
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>>375502014
60-69 was still pretty great, I have some damn good memories from that grind. But the moment you hit 70 the PvP meta completely changed and it just turned into you smashing your face into the keyboard blowing all your instants in a rotation. All the potential for creativity that made Vanilla PvP so intoxicating just evaporated away.

>i will never 2v1 a 61 rogue and a 70 ele shaman as a 62 mage in a dingy cave in zangarmarsh ever again
brb fœtal position
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>>375502297
Nuke this gay earth, nothing of value remains
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>>375502148
Well I mean story wise, after WotLK was when they stopped any semblance of a balanced narrative and it all became about the favored race of the year. They just flat out stopped caring about the setting itself and just focused on what hero and race they thought was the coolest, letting everything else go ignored.
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>>375502014
In lore, yes, in gameplay, fuck no.
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>>375502321
The end of WotLK is when raiding actually started becoming skill based. Raids have gotten progressively more complex and challenging with every expansion since then.

I understand why you think vanilla or TBC was challenging or skill based, but all it tells me is that you stopped playing seriously around Ulduar and are just playing armchair raider.
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>>375502303
The hunter you knew is gone. All that's left AFKing in that spot is a half-assed husk of a class.
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>>375502321
you forgot charity epics
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>>375502837
Current wow has charity legendaries. You can get them from doing daillies.
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>>375502297
The best part about this mega-faggot is that he's not even an artist. He's just some tumblr-tier snowflake that uses a tablet.

Watching this retard try to justify the use while he was playing D3 was fucking painful. He tapped around like a flailing retard barely even achieving the simple task of kiting elites.
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Just because people start datamining everything and make guides and wiki pages for literally everything doesn't mean the game got worse.
You just aren't new anymore.
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>>375502694
>gimmick fights are skill based
naga pls
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>>375502812
>The hunter you knew is gone.

Good. A ranged class that had mostly instant attacks, was not affected by silence/interrupts, had a very good cc, had pet and was immune to CC during Bestial was retarded.
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>>375502938
yeah i know, this was a response to a chain talking about why wrath ruined wow, not why wrath is worse than modern wow
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>>375502939
>Watching this retard try to justify the use while he was playing D3 was fucking painful.

link?
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>>375502983

Isn't all of that true today?
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>>375501670
Good summary.

Slowly but surely after vanilla everything became all fast-travel/queue for everything/basically you're in a lobby or an instance. The devs saying, "fuck the world we created!" type of thing.

Eventually the game dried out. Like, the consensus amongst players being "there is nothing to do in this game and zero reason to go out in the world". But it is a profit machine so they water it every so often. If you read between the lines, you can see how their model is to keep the player on the hook as long as they can before they deign to give them a little bit more content. That + all the (not-so) micro transactions left a bad taste in my mouth. Like, at a certain point, there was something wrong with giving Blizzard my money on principle.
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>>375502192
>>375502669
TBC zones were ugly, out of place and lacked life similar to all the shallow Korean MMOs, dungeons turned into uncreative grind tunnels, flying mount disaster began, lore started getting raped for real; TBC was a disaster in all aspects, simply put.

If you didn't play since launch day of Vanilla, kindly fuck off.
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>>375499179
>ywn kite the immortal enemy from blasted lands to SW and watch people lose their shit again
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>>375503859
Oh yes, and above all, it was during the TBC era when the whole casualizing project began for WoW and making everything effortless and piss easy.
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>>375499179
>>375503942
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>>375503942

>Tried to kite Omen to Orgrimmar once
>He evade bugged in Durotar

Feels bad man.
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>>375503859
>nagrand
>ugly
>terokkar
>ugly
>zangamarsh
>ugly
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>>375499686
stop it
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>>375504196

Loved Zangarmarsh
>We're adding the Zangar Sea in WoD with Fungal Whales!
>sorry, we didn't have the resources
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>>375499041
>vanilla was 12 years ago and this feel will only get worse
>elysium just wont do
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>>375504196
Doubt you have any background in arts if you argue the contrary.
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>>375503859
>TBC was a disaster in all aspects
Some of the class balancing was good, arenas were a cool idea, and Hellfire Peninsula at least felt somewhat like what Outland should be even if the other 4 zones certainly didn't and the new races of npc were both superfluous and fucking hideous.

Other than that, it really marked the point at which wow lost its way. The lore getting raped is an understatement.
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>tfw you and your rag tag guild of fucking retarded pubbies kill ragnaros
>making progress on BWL
>guild eventually breaks up and dies due to summer

The good old days. Saw our guild leaders tits too they were fucking fresh and perky as hell.
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>>375502982
If you honestly believe sunwell was as hard as throne of thunder then there is no image I can post to show hard I am laughing right now
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>>375504301

>Ethereals
>Arrakoa
>Sporelings
>Hideous

fite me
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>>375504534
Well ToT had different difficulties compared to Sunwell. I cleared ToT to a decent extent, but could barely clear first boss or trash in sunwell back in the day.

I think people just have a better understanding of the game now as well as it being more smoother and essentially easier on a general standpoint that makes it easy to play, regardless if raids are more difficult numbers wise and even tactics wise.
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>>375504534
>thinks any MMO PvE content takes skill
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>>375504710
Hunter epic bow quest.

The Artorius fight is pure mechanics (on top of needing a huge mana pool).
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>>375504286
>elysium just wont do
Your fault for picking Elysium over Anathema. The opening of the gates and AQ have been so much fun!
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>just started playing during vanilla
>be running around elwynn forest
>a bunch of guys shouting/writing in general chat about raiding some hogger guy
>see 30+ people running past me while I was killing gnolls
>mfw
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja1j7xWpB3w

post em bros
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>>375505429
Pretending to have fun isn't fun.
What you are doing is "nu-fun"
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>>375501206
Elysium is fine, the fuck you talking about
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>>375505813
>Ruski shithole
>incompetent "devs"
>GMs selling loot
>fine

kek
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>>375506026

Isn't Elysium the one where they let chinese gold sellers spam the server to death and then ban people for pointing it out?
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>>375506117
Yes.
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> Vanilla and TBC was the most comfy
> Vanilla and TBC had the best social aspects which led to the best PvP because beef between guilds on the servers was fun, and open world PvP still existed
> Vanilla and TBC had the best dungeons
> WoTLK had the best Raids (Uldar pretty much makes up for Arena and Nax), hardmodes you had to activate or finish a boss a certain way were the best.

Rest is whatever. Game died to me after the "Druid re balance" in Cata where they gutted Feral PvP.
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>>375506117

Yup.

They're actually taking a cut from all the gold selling going on.

There's a faggot on youtube called Alexensual, he uncovered and talked about a lot of crap going on with Elysium. You can watch his crap if you want a deeper look into that shithole.
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>>375499041
Guys remember the flying battles from wrath? Fuckin so fun dude
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>>375506476
No.
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>>375499041
So glad i got to fuck around with wow
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>>375506423
>Alexensual
Not that obnoxious, screeching autist again.

If they are permitting all of this endless spam and doing nothing about it, it must be annoying to communicate. Buying gold always exists regardless.
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>>375506476
The true flying battles were the ones where gankers of particular classes (I think Druid and Shaman) would ride right up to you and knock you off your mount and then parachute to safety.
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> https://wow.gamepedia.com/World_of_Warcraft_evolution_guide
> You think you do, but you don't
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>>375506958
>Buying gold always exists regardless

No, it doesn't.

All they have to do is ban VPNs so Chinese can't get on the server. No more gold selling.

They're refusing to do that because, as I mentioned, Elysium staff is taking a cut from all the gold selling going on.
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There is literally no way blizzard isn't announcing vanilla servers at blizzcon this year with the SC remake out and the inetivable D2 and WC2/3 remasters.
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>>375507235
I've been thinking this. With the way WoW is heading, there is no way to redeem it other than legacy servers.
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>>375505649
>those aren't real grapes, they're just sour grapes
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>>375507235

They will never release vanilla servers.
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>>375507235
>>375507324
I bet they still fuck it up. Their heads are so far up their collective asses that they refuse to entertain the notion that any ease of use change they've added to the game since wasn't a good idea.
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Is WoW worth getting into now? I've never played an MMO, and one of my friends is really, really into WoW so I suppose I would always have someone to play with.
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>>375500248
They were good the first time round and fucking awful afterwards
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>>375507654
Nah only reason to play it now is if you've been playing for years and are unable to let go of your characters.
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>>375507654

Nah. It's dead.
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>>375507654
>Is WoW worth getting into now?
Retail is a shell of what it used to be, and an abhorrent unrelenting grindfest in the worst possible way: you'll find yourself clearing the same single shit dungeon over and over for the sake of leveling AP.

Vanilla is the crack cocaine of videogames and should be avoided for health and social reasons. It's scarily addictive.
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Was so excited 10 years ago of WoW when I saw Kazzak in stormwind and molten core fire giants in some shitty youtube video.

>get in game
>burning crusade just released
>kiting bosses fixed (removed)
>all cool level 60 content dead
>never got to do vanilla raids
>old naxx removed from game
>...

Glad I quit.
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>>375508113
>never got to do vanilla raids
You missed out. I feel sorry for you.

They were for the most part quite simple in terms of mechanics, but they really had a great atmosphere to them, and actually felt immersive in terms of lore.
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>>375499041
>ywn shit down on the chair next to the fireplace in the goldshire inn
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>>375499041
>you will never do something for the first time ever again
no shit
If you really want to play vanilla wow go on Elysium or Anathema or some shit. It's the same as it was back then save for the higher population and more people actually knowing how to play now.
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>>375499041
fuck looks like I'm going back to elysium again
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>>375501979

Knowing Blizzard it was probably some stupid engine limitation that made the game shit itself if they tried.
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>>375507654
Legion is a horrible grindfest, and if you try vanilla now, you probably won't "get it".
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>>375508723
Remember that WoW's engine is Warcraft III's, and putting in the Pandaren models and other updated models brought them to the limit of what the engine is capable of.
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>>375502647
yeah, storyline went to absolute shit
>dude time travel lmao
>ayy pandas
>man garrosh orc hitler haha
>alternate timeline draenor
>burning legion spaceship fleets
>black temple was merely a setback
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>>375499041
ITT: nostalgia retards whose first MMO was WoW, therefore thinking it's the absolute standard of the genre
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>>375499041
>you will never accidentally wander into duskwood for the first time and stumble upon hidden area with grave, statues, and the Unknown Soldier
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>>375509067
It is though. That's not being retarded, it's being correct.
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>>375509028

MoP was good until the very end, where Garrosh should have died instead of ayy dragons ;)
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>>375509248
>NPCScan
>you are now queued in the dungeon finder
NOT VANILLA REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>375508246
Not to mention they really did seem MASSIVE. The clusterfuck of chaos of forty people trying to constantly get their shit together as a lava-drooling dog the size of an apartment building stomps around was glorious.

But that touches on a sore nerve here, one thing we really can't get back is the innocence of launch. We can never ever flip the switch and go back to everyone not knowing what the fuck they were doing, which was part of the magic of it all.
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>>375509339

Garrosh should have been talked down then Thrall executed for putting Garrosh in the position in the first place.
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>>375509067

It is. It's the biggest and most successful of the genre which makes it the standard.
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>tfw wanted to like Elysium but the shitty russian chink GMs who let gold sellers thrive kill my drive

Fuck, we should've stayed on Kronos bros
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>>375509028
Time Travel has been a thing way before then. The Garrosh thing is only annoying because while he started as a racist, genocidal fuck he stopped being a racist, genocidal fuck in Cata before going back for literally 0 reason and shoving any budding character development away.

The Burning Legion Space Fleets are also fine.
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>>375509380
Couldn't find better pic, but he was there from the vanilla for sure.
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>>375506423

Just watched a couple of videos and it's hilarious the amount of dislikes he's got from screaming, crying WoW kids.

"I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH I'M BEING SCAMMED AND HOW TERRIBLY EVERYTHING IS RUN AS LONG AS I GET TO PLAY!"
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>>375503859
While all of this was true to an extenet, it wasn't a "disaster in all aspects". You either didn't play during Classic WoW proper, or you have a selective memory.

So many classes had such huge fucking problems in Classic WoW that were fixed in TBC.

Threat gen on Warlocks, shitty DPS on everything except Warrior/Mage/Rogue, a total lack of design focus for 2/3rds the specs, etc. TBC fixed a lot of the basics, it just got many other things wrong while doing it.
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>>375509425
Word. Childhood is idolizing Thrall. Adulthood is realizing Garrosh makes more sense.
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>>375502429
M+ ist just burst down everything as fast as possible or burst down everything as fast as possible but not quite kill them at the same time.

I really miss planning pulls and cc. Nowadays if you ever wipe someone leaves instantly and the run is over
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>>375509248
I've played since vanilla and literally never seen this enemy
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How would you "fix" current WoW?
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>>375502303
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2SZuqyjKtA

Fuck I want to go back in time
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>>375502289
rogues are still paying for that bullshit

fuck, rogues in other games are still paying for what rogues in warcraft did
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>>375509535
He gets dislikes because he's just a shit person and a constant hypocrite. Plus he's really bad at the game but always tries to shit on other people, this is him trying to kill someone when he was 8 levels higher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG1-lu-2E24
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>>375499041
>tfw started in vanilla and ended in vanilla
vanilla masterrace
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>>375506423
Alexensual is the Alex Jones of nerds. Also go fuck yourself.
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>>375509763
Remove dungeon finder and at the very least double the amount of damage and health of all mobs that aren't max level as well as significantly increase the amount of XP required per level.
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>>375509915
>I want more grinding
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>>375509915
Dungeon finder isn't the problem you still have to go to them and use summoning stones for mythic
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>>375509719
>Didn't explore
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>>375502837
Those were in BC too faggot.
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>>375509915
you basically just killed the game as no new players want to go through that kind of grind

That would actually take more time to level than 1-60 in vanilla if you did that especially since you made it so people have to actually actively look for dungeon groups from levels 15-110
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>>375501391
>have to biggest urge to play WoW
>no good private servers and retail is fucking awful too
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>>375499686

>WotLK came out my Junior year
>waited at the zeppelin for hours fucking around with friends until the game finally patched on us
>we all venture into Howling Fjord together, taking it the awesome scenery
>all leveled up to 80 together more or less
>eventually quit shortly after Naxx raiding to finish school my senior year
>finally graduate
>wake up early morning
>log onto the Warlock I'm RaF'ing with my other buddy's Priest
>have a blast leveling together alongside 2 other friends who are leveling a Hunter and Druid
>join some shitty guild
>eventually hit 80
>get geared as fuck doing Naxx 25s and Ulduar 10s and grinding tokens in Heroics every day
>have some of the best fun that entire summer grinding Nethwering and other TBC reps for the mounts with friends
>got a Raven Lord from my Druid friend
>even went through guild drama and friend drama over a guild leader who started fawning over my 2 female friends, drove a wedge between us 3 out of jealousy that I hung with them irl, and kind of shattered our friendship
>made new friends in a PvP guild, 2 girls joined, more massive drama ensued
>still friends with some of those new friends to this day, even though we only get together for games once in a long while
>got to experience downing LK10 and then 25 before it started becoming easy / got nerfed
>got to experience how shit Ruby Sanctum was
>got to experience patch 4.0 and how shit the game now was
>still one of the best WoW experiences ever

Wrath is easily my favorite expansion, and not only because of those experiences. It just had such an amazing balance of aesthetic, design that wasn't yet overly-designed and ridiculous looking, and the game had still retained it's stat system. PvE was great (minus Naxx), dungeons were great, PvP was at it's all time high until S10, and nothing will ever beat Wintergrasp. Such a great expansion.
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>>375501226

>durr vanilla wuz inarguably da best

The only "best" thing it had was it's community, and that was because literally every aspect of it damn-near required you to be grouped up with friends or guildies by end game, and the internet community as a whole had yet to turn into a festering shitpile of hate at that time.

Wrath had everything (for the most part aside from DKs Hunters and Shamans) at a damn-near perfect balance of quality. Then Patch 4.0 came, Blizzard completely switched the game around for the locust swarm of casuals, and the game collapsed. And then the swarm left and all Blizzard was left with were angry and bitter long-time subscribers.
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>>375502251
I mean if it your first time you'll most likely enjoy it but its a shitty husk of its former self, really they've taken the MMO and the RPG out of it, feels like a single player diablo game now
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>>375504272
>this will never be used

Fuck me.
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>>375510107
Better than the current game where you two shot everything even without heirlooms and end up 5+ levels above the zone's level cap by the time you finish the majority of quests in it.
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>>375510613
>Blizzard completely switched the game around for the locust swarm of casuals

Funny because heroic dungeons and firelands were harder than anything in wotlk ever was
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>>375499686
Best area in any game ever
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>>375501898

Every time I see this guy, I just imagine being a core programmer, and having this absolute shitlord bork his retarded ideas to the team, and being forced to cram in all this shit you know won't be received well and just won't work well.

I can only imagine why anyone worth a shit from the original team has long since left.
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>>375499041

If you really want to play vanilla again there are plenty of private servers around, sure its not 100% the same thing but its pretty damn close and you start to feel like you went back. (fuck all the chinks and russians though)

on a second note blizzard will never announce legacy servers. its been a 90% brand new dev team since the end of wrath, if they do release, they admit that the new game has failed and we all know blizz has a little to much pride for that to happpen. They already have another expansion in the works so nothing if anything will come in the next 6 years.
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>>375500658
>tfw MT for guild doing BWL
>56k dial-up modem for MAXIMUM SPEEDS
>Razorgore
>800+ ms lag
I wish i had cable back then, got kicked out cause of my shitty internet, but it was fun while it lasted
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>>375499041
instancing ruined what little mmo's had going for them.
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>>375510836

Still had to appeal to your more hardcore audience.

They steal made the game more simplistic for casuals by doing away with shit like defence, hit, spell hit, etc etc, and the complete homogenization of classes completely wrecked class individuality for 3 entire expansions while they vainly tried to repair them as waves of casuals cried out at them about it.
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>>375509248
http://www.wowhead.com/npc=45739/the-unknown-soldier

Nice, i'll go there later
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>>375510974
>if they do release, they admit that the new game has failed and we all know blizz has a little to much pride for that to happpen

They just did that with Starcraft though so there is a slim hope
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>>375510937

Programmers, as in the people working on code, don't give a fucking shit how the crap will be received. It's not their job.

Their only job is to make sure that whatever retarded fucking idea that cocksucker comes up with gets implemented without bugs or fuckups.

With that being said, their programmers are as bad as that tumblr faggot. Spaghetti code everywhere, people exploiting shit and getting away with it, every new patch fucks up older content that is completely unrelated to crap being patched etc.

Basically, Activision Blizzard fired anyone who was any good. They downsized the team and got the morons who would do the job for least pay. It's not wonder there's nothing but incompetent retards left.
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>>375508939
Those fucks need to switch to a new engine already

I expect them to use Overwatch's engine for WoW in the distant future of 2075
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Stop it...
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>>375510747
That problem would be better solved by making 1-60 and so on function more like 100-110 where zones scale to your level.

Obviously there should be some restrictions so you're not killing demons in Blasted Lands at level 10.

But adding to the leveling grind would not fix WoW because the problem is with endgame and not leveling.
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>>375510974
They just released a Starcraft remaster, which is an admission that SC2 failed. SC2 has been declining for a long time and BW making a comeback. Exact same situation. They're going to announce a D2 remaster any time now, which is also the exact same situation.
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>>375510613
>the internet community as a whole had yet to turn into a festering shitpile of hate at that time
>he doesn't remember the blizzard forums back then
Talk about rose-tinted glasses, lel. The internet wasn't in anyway nicer back then, boy. You're starting to sound like you're talking out of your ass and making points based on what you heard, not experienced.
But you're right about the community. Or, in a better sense, the WORLD. Back then the game forced you to clump together with whichever random stangers are nearby to complete an adventure. You needed to go OUT in the world to do stuff. You needed to interact with it. And that was lost after vanilla. You called that the "best" thing, but really it was the only thing. The game is absolutely nothing without it.
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>>375511006

>dad bought Comcast just because he wanted to get me set up for WoW after a friend of his showed him how cool it was
>dad later says I spend too much time on it and not enough with friends, despite my friends and I showing him that we all play together
>"When I was your age I was out on boats and jet skiing and getting drunk and getting laid and etc etc etc"
>shuts the internet down for weeks at a time
>got kicked out of my raiding guild because of that shit
>bounced around for a while until he'd cut the net again
>fell so far behind in TBC leveling that I fucking quit
>slipped out of the group of friends I was playing with because I hadn't been playing, had no accessible account, and they only had LAN parties

My douchebag dad was the reason my whole WoW experience was completely ruined, and missed out on some amazing experiences with great friends. Tried going back during MoP but it wasn't the same. Friends were all gone, and the game was just massively more casual and boring. Everything was just thrown at you.
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Anyone know a good 3.3.5 server
Retail isnt doing it for me anymore
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>>375502010
>rogue destroying everything in vanilla
Overpower was the bane of rogues
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>>375511354

I didn't browse deep into the forums. Mostly stuck to my server forum and chit chatted with friends from other faction / guilds. Eventually became friends with enough people from PALS FOR LIFE that they'd let me mine in the Netherwing Mines unharmed / farm at the Elemental Plateau without being camped.
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>>375511414
There's warmane but they inflate their numbers like crazy with a fake queue to get people to pay to get past it.

That's pretty much it
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>>375511243
They've obviously improved the engine since then. I never understood this "new engine" meme. Practically every AAA engine is just an updated version of an older engine. The SC2 engine is an updated version of the WC3 engine and was also used for D3, and I doubt Overwatch's engine isn't also sharing code with them. What exactly do you expect them to gain by rewriting the entire engine?
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>>375511127
>>375511351


i REALLY REALLY hope you are right but i have no respect or hope for blizzard anymore...they just keep kicking while you are down
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>>375511396
Did you go out on boats,jet skiing,getting drunk and laid at least?
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>>375511623
/v/ thinks game engines change everything about the game
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>>375511527
So you didn't play Vanilla then

could have mentioned that earlier rly..
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>>375511519

>first ever character was Warrior
>got told to go Fury by Rogue friend
>some 60 Warrior sees me around level 33 and asks me what the fuck I'm doing
>gives me gold and tells me to go respec Arms
>tells me to do my WW Axe quest
>spend forever leveling 2h axes with some shitty grey
>get my WW axe
>utterly fucking destroying shit
>no longer need to bandage and eat after every fight
>can go at least 2-3 mobs before I have to heal
>hit 60
>shitting on people left and fucking right with my Frosted Spear from the AV quest
>eventually get some decent 55+ blues
>start destroying people in AV / WSG while a guildie pocket heals me
>pop Recklessness and take out an entire group of Alliance
>dominate BGs with guildie
>do even better in guild premade BGs
>have so many tokens that they start getting mailed to my mailbox
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>>375510384
why is it whenever females join a guild the autistic spergs can't help but ruin everything

the last time a girl was in my guild it was the main tank's wife and we all did fine
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>>375511892

You're fucking retarded, you know that?

But that's ok. Keep assuming you're the only faggot around here that played Vanilla. I know how important that sense of self-importance is to you.
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>>375502982
Nighthold is the hardest raid tier of all time. Even with constant nerfs and the fact that you don't even need more than 36 traits on your artifact weapon, and people still struggle to clear it.

Less than 300 guilds have cleared Mythic Gul'dan.

>inb4 sunwell
Only the last 3 bosses of sunwell were hard, the difficulty of that raid tier was trying to find people to replace the retards on your raid team who were quitting the game on a weekly basis
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>>375512009
People try to "e-date" its fucking pathetic
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>>375511396
I feel ya.

My dad had used the parental controls feature on the WoW account so that I could only play on Fridays and weekends and even then only during specific hours of those days which resulted in me getting 2 hours to play a week usually. I had loads of fun when I actually got to play but it was hard to sustain andeventually quit.

He paid for the subscription so I guess it's fair. But I'm always going to be disappointed because I felt that early WoW magic and just wasn't able to experience it fully.
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>>375512009
My vanilla guild broke up because the guild leader started hanging out with some abused girl in the guild and his gf then fucked he priest class leader and it all went downhill from there
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>>375511750

I got laid, had a girlfriend for 3 years at the time,but I didn't exactly know anyone with a boat or jet ski. Just went to the beach and hung with my WoW friends, went to the movies, typical teenager shit.

Thing about my dad was that when he was younger, just before he had me, he was a massive tool. Even my mom admits he was a massive tool. Was a gigantic douchebag that fought someone every time they argued with him. Was heavy on coke, painkillers, weed, all that shit (still is today, minus the coke). He sees what my brother and I do in our free time, and constantly feels the need to nitpick us apart and judge us for not doing the shit he did when he was younger.
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>>375512190
>priest CL cucks guild leader

I miss when healers were alphas and not sissy healslut posters
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>>375512138
>people still struggle to clear it

You do realize that people who were actually good at the game, like the hardcore players, are all gone?

Most of the people you're talking about are tards born after 2000.
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>>375512145
my friend once dated a girl that joined the guild and he actually moved to her country and they lived together for like 2 years.
it was bretty fuggin' weird
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>>375512138
>the difficulty of that raid tier was trying to find people to replace the retards on your raid team who were quitting the game on a weekly basis
>implying that's not the case now
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>play great games
>find /v/ - laugh at all the memes, stay updated on new releases
>/vg/ opens
>great games everywhere, people who love a specific game get together and form groups who play together and have fun
>fast forward to today
>/v/ is nothing but negative pol-tier shit threads or nostalgia threads
>/vg/ is 9/10 anime faggot weeabo threads with porn images so i cant even browse it at work anymore

what the fuck happened
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>>375512294
Not him but there's already been a few old old top tier guilds who have quit because they can't down M Gul'dan
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>>375511971
>Get Kang axe from random mob in Sunken temple at ~46
>absolutely wreck shit
>get epic made from AV at 60
>destroy everything
Warrior was really fun,i remember when AB first came out and you had to go to highlands on foot to queue, its where i first saw a Grand Marshal warrior too.Friend of mine leveled warrior to 50+ without even knowing or using talents, shit was hilarious
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>>375512435
games stopped being great
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>>375509571
Early Garrosh was ok-ish. His decent into madness was obviously not something to idolize.
But with the way the lore is right now this whole alliance vs horde bullshit makes no sense whatsoever.

>hurr durr our world is being raped but he has green skin
On the other hand maybe this is some kind of social commentary
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>>375512009

At the time, it was this crazy foreign concept that girls played videogames. I was already used to it, since we had like, 3 chicks in my vanilla raiding guild, and 2 in the guild I raided with in TBC.

When I started playing in WotLK with those 2 sister friends though, every guy we met was amazed and immediately glued themselves to them to the point where there was a constant entourage of guys trying to jam themselves into whatever activity we were trying to do. Eventually though, like I said, one guy got so jealous that they started making shit up about me behind my back, telling them I was saying this and that, doing this and that, and somehow accomplished driving a massive wedge between the 3 of us.

I still talk to them to this day, but it's not the same. One of them invites me over with friends to play games and shit, but the other still has a bit of bitterness towards me.
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>play 250 hours of Elysium in January to escape family problems
>the constant race to be ahead of the pack, having to change leveling routes on the fly because nearly every 1-60 leveling guide available now was written during BC or later
>the long grinding sessions in the 30s where I watched every AVGN episode again
>finally hitting the mostly empty 50+ zones while checking back on /elyg/ where most people were stuck in the shitshows of Stranglethorn and Hillsbrad
>hit 60 and was so exhausted I did a single UD Strat run and never logged back in
>tfw this was only 3 months ago but I already feel painful nostalgia for it, despite the massive queues, the complete incompetence of the dev team, all of the shady shit
What is it about this game that I can't just leave for good?
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>>375512435
>what the fuck happened

You were a newfag and it was probably your first year of browsing 4chan so things seemed great to you. /v/ before the /vg/ launch in like 2011 was the worst this board has ever been because it had no mods so the entire board was filled with pizza tipping, this guy slaps your girl's ass, or the door break down guy.
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>>375511750
He locked himself in his room and listened to "Adam's Song."
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>>375509248
the unknown soldier was added in Cataclysm you shitnugger
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>>375512759
this, i remember that specific place, i think there was either a banshee or some other kind of elite mob or even empty
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>>375512759
Cata was 7 years ago now, kids who were in 5th - 6th grade and playing WoW are 18 now
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>>375512651
I imagine you've thought of this already, but have you tried levelling another character, maybe a class/faction you haven't played before, and just taking your time and enjoying the journey more with no stress?
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>>375512896
that's okay. I just don't want people to go say "lol only vanilla kids will know this!!" when speaking about Cata content
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>>375512896
>tfw WoW post-Cataclysm has been around longer than WoW pre-Cataclysm
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>>375512190

>friends with Paladin in my guild
>become really good friends
>gets me into the core because he for whatever reason likes me so much
>become really good friends with his 2 other friends
>raid with them throughout Wrath
>one day 3 friends log on while I'm farming herbs at 3 am
>its just us 3
>2 of them gquit
>????????
>Paladin friend says we all gotta leave the guild
>"I fucked the GM's wife."
>Oh fuck
>Paladin grabs like, 20k gold from gbank, cleans out the mats tab, and gquits
>we all transfer to Gul'dan and resume progression raiding in HICC25 at least 100k gold richer after selling all the materials

It was such a fast and bizarre string of events.
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>>375513014
That post didn't do that though it was talking about finding a rare npc and someone else took it like that
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I wish a company would take a risk and deviate from the stale formula that the industry has for what an MMO should be.

Pantheon seems to have small aspects to make it unique but ultimately the same tried and true. The best thing seems to be the heavy focus on having to form groups for about anything, not just raids/instances.

I just always get burned out with any MMO at about the lvl 40 or 50 mark regardless of the game. It's just a chore with no end in sight.

Tl;dr MMOs are boring
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>>375512513

Name them.
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>>375513048
fucking kek
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>>375512428
Play on Sargeras, Illidan, Area 52, Malganis, stormrage or Kel'thusad


Dozens of applicants a week, ready to replace any of your terrible raiders.
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>>375513036
>people won't know that feel when transitioning from TFT to WoW
It was mind-blowing to actually go and interact with bosses like Tyrande etc
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>>375502254
>mages had no chance against warlocks and shamans
nigger counterspell disables every spell an elemental shaman has except flame shock and frost shock, and enhance has no gap closers so they're easy to kite
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>>375513048
Those are some bros, never stop contact with them anon
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>>375513239
> people won't know the feel about transitioning from Warcraft II to Warcraft III
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>>375512963
I was playing a different character with a friend casually for a while, but our times to play weren't synced that well and eventually we just went back to the usual games we play. Despite how stressful that race to 60 sounds it was actually very enjoyable. I was able to get ahead of the huge queues and crowds in the first couple days due to sheer luck so I could afford to take time doing dungeons, do world PvP, etc.
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>>375513258
ure retarded lmao. shamans HARD counter mages. "muhmuhmuh muh counterspell". a shaman could kill a mage using only instants.

same goes for shadow priests.
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>>375513396
I personally only played RoC and TFT, but i imagine it was just as massive as from WC3 to WoW
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>>375513230
>implying this wasn't the case 9 years ago
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>>375513258
unless your arcane counterspell is easily baitable,
that being said no one plays ele shaman unless decked out in high end sp or nature+ gear. smart enhance will cycle grounding and es same thing with resto.
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>>375513346

I haven't talked to them since MoP. The Paladin got permabanned after he robbed another guild vault, and then completely quit because of all his legendaries. The Druid and Hunter eventually quit because MoP sucked. I eventually quit because I got tired of migrating around guilds and not being able to find myself a new set of awesome friends.
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>>375513396
i loved wc2. the colors etc, just loved the art style for some reason.
it's similar to heroes of might and magic 2, which is another favorite of mine
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>>375513524
Fuck, add them on skype or something, play some other games with them
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>>375513448

Except for the whole part where mage polymorphs you for 45 seconds and fucks off.

You literally can't kill him if he doesn't want to be killed. He can poly you, eat, drink to full and try again. Over and over and over until he kills you.
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>>375513602
>he can poly you

how? you have earth-shock, grounding totem, how is he ever going to poly you before he's dead?
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>>375513396
wish they would make a playable port for I and II, not eve a remaster. Just let me play this shit on W7+
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>>375513524
how did you make it through cata if mop sucked?
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>>375513557
it was neat as fuck
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>>375507414
ofcourse... when they milk every other franchise they got
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>>375513557
I'm still salty WC3 orcs had no ogre units
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>>375513430
Ah fair enough. I've recently started levelling back casually on Elysium, not stressing about questing or making money or anything like that.
I know this sounds dumb too but find a normie guild as well. If you're frequented the /vg you'd know to stay about from MoH or any of the /vg guilds.
I found a normie guild, which is tight knit, always grouping up and having banter in the guild chat.

I've never been one to be ahead of the queue, I absolutely loved release date though, everyone fighting for mobs and the rush of excitement being the first few people level 7 to speak in World chat.
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>>375513448

My enhance shaman in WotLK WRECKED people. I was in full 8.5 in Ulduar, and I would global people. Shit was hilarious.

I actually did so much DPS that I had to wait 10 seconds before starting my rotation on bosses or I would instantly gain aggro.
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>>375501843
T. Rogue or mage
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>>375513725

When you're with good people, shitty things become a bit more bearable.

The only thing I excluded myself from with them during Cata was that PvP island. Shit was fucking garbage.
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>>375513705

Shock and totem have cooldowns, polymorph doesn't.
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>>375513795
yeah, the ogre-magi bloodlust sound is still imprinted in my brain.
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>>375513705
earth shock has a 6(5 with talents) sec cooldown, only a 2 second interrupt

Grounding has a 15(13.5 with talents) cooldown

A mage can get the 3rd poly off no problem

One of the best things blizz did was nerf CC in pvp, 45 second sap and poly was ridiculously OP
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>>375513705
grounding totem is baitable too, not to mention only one out of 100 mouth-breathers even remember they have it
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>>375513748

I still have my original WC2 discs from 2002, and my WC3/TFT discs from 2004.

Good games to go back to from time to time. Only thing I hate about WC2 is when you've wiped out the enemy, but have to scan the entire map with a zep / gyrocopter to scope out any turtles / subs.
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>>375513937
6 seconds cooldown on shock and locks the school for 5
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>>375513805
Yeah it was a blast, I lucked out and for the first couple days woke up and was ready to play right as a server restart kicked everyone out and I got in past the queue. I remember getting to the Barrens early and the Crossroads was initially pretty empty. By the time I left it completely a few days later it was completely swamped, 20 people fighting over the same spawns.

I'll probably start playing again one of these days. Even if the devs are shady and incompetent it's going to be the only vanilla server around for a while and just casually doing some tradeskills/dungeons isn't going to be a huge timesink.
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>>375513957
>>375513981

>ththththey dont remember they have it
>45 seconds poly!

so now we're assuming the shaman is retarded, and we're on a patch where sheep is 45 seconds. impressive shit
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>>375513707
They're working on it, they were hiring people to fix up their classics last year. That's where the new SC patch came from and why WC3 now works on non-PPC macs. A WC2 patch probably isn't too far into the future.
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>>375514047
I guess you better play vanilla wow before you start to talk about it
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>>375514047

No. It locks it for 2 seconds.
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>>375514164
I figured we were talking about vanilla, shaman only hard counters mage if the have a free action potion.

Still a good shaman is a bitch to play against no matter what class you are
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>>375514104
I remember the small cheat at the start where you could skip the queue by hitting the change realm button.
Haven't been so happy in a long time tho when I logged into a 9k queue only to find out there was a server restart in the next 15 minutes.

Yeah the server has some very dodgy shit going on in the background, but hopefully it'll keep on it's feet and stay around for a while.

>hoping for a BC server but that'll never happen
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>>375514369
sheep didnt last for 45 seconds throughout vanilla
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>level up a rogue
>get to stranglethorn
>stay there for months because the pvp is so much fun
I will never enjoy a MMO as much as i enjoyed WoW.
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I've tried playing on lots of Vanilla servers, but it's not the same without the 2005 community, and the same set of friends you played with.
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>>375512435
You finally realized you weren't on reddit
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>>375510138
TBC Charity epics were barely enough to get you into Khara and weren't really better than HC Blues a lot of the time because their itemisation was worse.
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>>375515010
TBC epics can hardly be called welfare epics, do you know how many heroics(which were actually challenging) you had to do just to get 1 piece of gear?

shit i'd rather have raided
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>>375514865
>fat loser angry that someone actually made friends here

go enjoy your hentai threads m8
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>>375499686
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpyInx0ldfo&t=90s
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>>375512435
/vg/ is still the same shit that it was when it got created, I guess you just grew up and realised it
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I was a Dwarf Warrior, who were you anon?
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>>375515326
fem orc shaman, female orc players were the best, this is a FACT
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>>375514571
>level paladin
>get to stranglethorn
>leave because I got ganked 100 million times in 5 minutes
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>>375512009
I only ever had this issue with one of my first guilds in BC. Good people. But the guild I joined after were bros and there were a few girls. We played together all the way into ICC. We'd do joint raids with another guild for 25 mans and all was well in the world.
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>>375515387
female orcs are fucking losers and i probably fuck you mothr
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>>375515496
good post
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>>375515542
thanks i probably spent around 3 seconds on it while jerking to your incoming tears
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>>375502297
>this kills the WoW
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>>375515287
it really, really isn't.
you can take lolgen for example, it used to have a meme pic of some pro player every single thread. now its literally anime every thread.
threads had maybe 0-1 trapwannabe every thread and they always avatarfagged so you could filter them, now its 10 people per thread just spamming homo pics.
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>you missed golden era WoW
>you missed golden era FFXIV
>you missed golden era Runescape
>you missed out on golden era of MMOs in general
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>>375499686
Only another thing I'll never have again, fuck you for reminding me.
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>>375515326
Human Warrior Female(male)
Orc Rogue Male

Ended up rolling to horde, because i wanted to be edgy. Pic related, Warrior still in use.

>>375515407
Ganking was the best. Although i still have nightmares about T2 Palas rekting my lowbies in Nesingwary's camp.
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>>375515670
>not mentioning SWG

You REALLY missed the golden era of MMO's
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>>375515670
>was present for the golden age of wow
>was present for the golden age of runescape
>am not a weeaboo faggot
>have a girlfriend

can my life get any better?
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faggots everquest was way better
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>>375512282
We're not all fucking faggots, anon
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I miss Cata heroic dungeons. They were the best.
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>>375515670
I'm happy I was in for peak Runescape and Guild Wars 1.

Being an officer in my guild as a 14 year old on a shitbox from 2001 plagued with limewire with 100kbps internet is one of my fondest memories
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>>375502010
>>rogue destroying every class without a chance but warlock

>What is a geared Warrior or any halfway competent Shadow Priest
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>>375515670
I regret not getting into star wars galaxies
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>>375515724
>you will never again farm ewoks and rancors with a random group for hours, talking and and having fun during downtime
>you will never travel to a shop out in the desert on some backwater planet because the best slicer has a shop there
>you will never again become infamous for harassing rebel scum player cities solo
I loved that game...
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>>375502251
Play on a TBC or WotLK private server. I used Lordaeron or whatever the fuck it was called for the latter and it seemed to be well scripted and not dead
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>>375515326

Undead Warrior. My entire group of friends ran Undead.

>UD Warrior
>UD Rogue
>UD Warlock
>UD Priest
>UD Mage

We had an entire dungeon group.
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>tfw most of WoW is now maintaining automated quests in a dead end self castle/outpost/facebook thing
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>>375516125
Don't play on a TBC server they're all pieces of shit right now
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>>375516230
Yeah I can't speak for TBC ones, have only played on Lordaeron but I did a ton of research beforehand
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>>375516180
Class hall missions are pretty pointless and you don't have to keep up with them outside of a couple. You don't make 6 gorillion gold like how it used to be in WoD
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>>375515326
Human Warrior until Cataclysm, then went Blood Elf Warrior.
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>>375516402
GIVE ME MY GORILLION GOLD
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>>375515670
>missed all those because I was in the golden era of Guild Wars
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>>375516487

>BE Warrior

How dare you.
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>>375514863
as someone who never played vanilla i still found it fun. the problem stems from servers shutting down every few months, and every server being run by jews that team up with chinese gold farmers and let them run amok in exchange for a cut of profits.

project1999 seems to capture that classic EQ feeling pretty well because it's been up for so long and the people running it don't fuck around with any gold farming shit.
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>>375509545
The DPS classes besides Mage/Warrior/Rogue had more problems with mana than their actual damage. And the retardation that was the debuff cap limited a few others. Plus some questionable design decisions like Moonkins getting mana back from melee attacks and not on spell crits like they changed later. Or Mind Flay being buggy as hell until they finally fucking fixed it when Wrath came out.

Feral Druids were kinda just gimped Rogues as far as DPS goes but Leader of the Pack was nice. Shamans were okay for damage but people mostly kept em around for healing and/or Windfury, Shamans didn't really come into their own as a DPS class until TBC/Wrath when they got Stormstrike and then Lava Lash, and that 33% Attack Power -> Spellpower talent. The gear that Paladins needed to do anything besides heal flat out didn't exist until TBC, and even then only Blood Elves could make Ret passable due to Seal of Blood.
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>>375516670
>ywn go back

feels bad
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>>375516670
you made a wise decision
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Burning Crusade memes
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>>375516681
Fite me
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>>375516929
Get out of that, uh, jabroni outfit.
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>>375516929
It's always so jarring how bad things look on character models from 2016 on armor from 2005. I wish they would touch up old armor but I know that will never happen
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>leveled my undead mage to 55 before Nostalrius decided to be a bunch of spineless faggots AGAIN
>immediately lost all hope for the server
>quit playing and so do all of my friends
>1 of them even started playing retail again
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>>375500658
>you never did any of these things because wow was and still is trash
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only good thing about retail is the UI building
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WoW is for Faggots
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>you will never have this much fun while leveling and exploring in any mmo
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>>375516681
not him but fuck off, be male looks the best with armour on


>>375510384
>>375512624
what kind of cuck let a wow sperglord ruin a friendship with people irl, and how retarded were your female "friends" for believing him?
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>>375517163
Nostralius team fucked up so bad it's laughable, first they thought that shutting down would make blizzard hire them to make legacy servers then they trusted their server legacy with fucking chinese russians.

The shitshow of private server and people hopping made me go back to retail too until we get something official or at least more solid that will last more than 6 months
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>>375517069
I'd pay the texture people myself if they could update all the pre-Mists armors, especially the skimpy stuff, and also fix the stretching and placement problems like the breast cups for the Glorious-style chests, the crotch and thigh-stretching for the loincloths and bikinis, and other things.

For amyn armors, though, it depends on the character model and skin color to a degree how bad they look. This still looks great on female Draenei, for instance.
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>>375516929
your on
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>>375517163
>all the "e-rioting" when NostalriusBegins shut down is now completely gone despite everyone claiming it wasn't a fad
>Kungen, the "leader of the resistance", caved in less than a month and resigned to retail and encouraged his viewers to do so as well

Fucking embarrassing to be associated with these cucks desu. I want vanilla servers too but everyone just rolled over and took it in the ass.
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>>375517486
>>375516929
and I'll bring my alt
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>>375515326

tauren shaman, loved vanilla exploring with far sight and using my war stomp as a way to heal myself, saved my ass so many times
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>>375517486
A challenger appears!
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Just play elysium, fags. I went to.goldshire and dropped my infernal and.watched as it.killed everyone.
Made me lol
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>>375515326
Undead Priest
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>>375517456
It looks good on NE sluts too
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>>375500248
Look at the sub chart, peak sub numbers were at the end of wotlk, and started dropping a little after the beginning of cata
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Any playing BC? Where?

>still subbed to WoW
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>>375516929
>>375517486
>>375517638
>>375517721
Attending.
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>>375518072
Wait a month for Warmane TBC, it will be the most popular TBC server
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>>375517835
And Belves to an extent, though the texture on the ass tends to stretch out and smear.
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>>375518174
https://www.warmane.com
>12k on wrath
oh fuck, are these THAT good?
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>Vanilla had class quests
>Zones doesn't have any sort of loading time, just let you go right through instead of waiting your ass for one
>you had to walk all the way to the dungeons
>people actually gave a shit about socializing and doing stuff together
>world pvp was amazing
>Alterac Valley 1.0 was great
>The plague bug that brought scientists together for studies
>people luring elites all the way to major cities
>adventuring through the world was fun
>you had to read quests, and then find where the quest is on your own, fun shit

I wish someone actually made a mmorpg that focus on what made world of warcraft good in the first place. It's like each times i play something that has potential, the community of retards bring it down to shit tier everything
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>>375518275
No they smudge their numbers to make an artificial queue to encourage people to pay for a premium to bypass it.

The server is populated but not that crazy
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>>375518275
warmane fakes their population numbers but their servers are tolerable enough
it'll be the most popular TBC server because there are zero alternatives at the moment, TBC's private server scene is in the worst state partially due to Corecraft
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>>375517835
Everything look good on NE
Goddamn sex godesses
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>>375518108
Why are leather chest harnesses so damn sexy?
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>>375518453
I wish their asses were really like that and not flat
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>>375517413
What happened whit Nost? I thought the new server was success.
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>>375512138
No, the 3 hardest raids of all time are H Firelands, H Throne of Thunder and M BRF. You're confusing difficult mechanics with simple to average mechanics being highly tuned.

Blizzard honestly tuned nighthold to a beyond retarded degree because they needed to with all the titanforging/legendaries/ap farming shit that had people so much stronger than they normally would be this early into an expac.

You need to learn the difference dude between a hard mechanic that's tuned from average to hard difficulty and a easy to average mechanic tuned to an insane degree.
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>class quests are going away after Legion and no more are being developed for Legion either
>every expansion has to have a faggot gimmick to make it "new" instead of just using rock solid design to expand upon your game and make it consistent, and always offer an expanding array of content

FFXIV does one thing right: It requires you to experience the older content first and makes it a journey, thereby not devaluing the work of devs constantly.

WoW is so desperately concerned with getting subscribers that they always funnel you into the very newest thing they have developed, making you skip potentially over 80% of the expansion just to see the updated shit.

AND that new content only lasts for a week or two until you get bored.
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>>375518574
A lot of bad leadership on how to run the server with letting chinese gold farmers thrive and anyone who calls them out gets banned for "racism" and chinese pvp win traders ruining that part also

Pretty much every problem is china but they refuse to fix it, that's why people are optimistic with Crestfall because china is banned.
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>>375518574
they completely sold out to blizzard and were convinced that the only way to get official legacy servers was to shut down all private servers, so they turned their backs on elysium and demanded they stop using the nost server core and get rid of all transferred characters

elysium didn't comply but they're still a bunch of shady incompetent russians that deal with chinese gold farmers
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>>375518819
>they completely sold out to blizzard and were convinced that the only way to get official legacy servers was to shut down all private servers, so they turned their backs on elysium and demanded they stop using the nost server core and get rid of all transferred characters
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>>375518452
Excalibur was okay for the time I played it. A few issues with ranged mob behavior (they were really picky about whether or not they'd follow you around corners) but otherwise tolerable.
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>>375519063
Excalibur has been long dead, like 100 people peak hours dead
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>>375511006
Id have fucking kicked you too, retail mmos arent for poorfags go play some f2p mmo instead and stop shitting up my raid with your walmart internet
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>>375518775
>>375518819
Oh, good thing I didn't start playing there after the old nost got shutdown.
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>>375519264
Really? Seemed plenty populated when I played and I decided to stop like a month ago since my guild fell apart and I didn't feel like finding a new one.
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You now remember PlayTBC
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>>375519403
Hellfire and HG came back so people hopped there
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>>375519518
You now remember HellgroundWOW
the best "international" where the community sends you to gulags if you didn't speak polish
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>>375519583
Hellground is still a mess of a server and 90% Eastern European
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>>375511971
I love that shit, god bless Warrior bro-senpai
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>>375519642
Theyre both shit im just saying where the pop is
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>>375516230
Even Hellfire?
I remember hearing people talking about that one and it looks alright from what I've seen of it.
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>>375509460
Everquest
A game so popular that people were going to meetings and detox it was that addictive.

Kids just don't know...
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>>375502059
>mage destroying every class

Did you never see a mage try to fight a warlock? I had a SL warlock and it was impossible for a mage to 1v1 me, I literally never lost to one. You could instant summon a felhunter if you were feeling extra cruel and watch as they hopelessly try to nuke you.
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>>375518108
FUCK YOU
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>tfw so jaded from how shit legion is and the fact my life feels motionless that any nostalgia over WoW feels like a useless fantasy
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>>375519824
... you don't think that's ever happened with WoW?
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>>375518392
Every attempt at replicating that old, or hell even modern WoW feel just fails hard.
If there is one thing Blizzard does damn well its making a cohesive world. Continents like Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms are just miles more memorable and fun to navigate than the forgettable clusterfucks you usually see in WoW clones.
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>>375515670
>Golden era FXIV

I reallly hate to say it, but golden era ffxiv is either right now or sometime in SB
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>>375516809
>Shamans didn't really come into their own as a DPS class until TBC/Wrath when they got Stormstrike

How much shit can this one nigga talk?
Literally don't post in this thread again you fucking retard.
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>>375520769
In raids? You were fucking there for Windfury and maybe using that one 2H that boosted magic damage taken by the target. They weren't BAD DPS but they sure as hell weren't going to beat a Rogue/Warlock in a raid.
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>>375520769
He's not wrong, no one raided with ele because they were made to be resto and enh was a shitty meme that people played because of epic pvp vids of rng
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>>375511971
>Frosted Spear from the AV quest
I got that bad boy around 53s, i remember destroying lvl60 rogues whit it.
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>>375519770
What's up with Hellfire? Ain't played on there but am looking for a TBC server.
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>>375517231
>everything is merely a setback now
You know the game has gone to shit because they have to use nostalgia bait to stay afloat or they will go under.
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>>375519979
Shhhh he saw Vurtne do it and thought it looked easy
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Objectively undebatable expansion tier list:

WotLK>TBC>Cataclysm>Legion>>>Pandaria
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>>375501532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3iTfEF52kw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24s7v9l68p8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZmhTiqH3gk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FsvI1kG4dY

Kudos to the one who can name the WoW video for all these songs.
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>>375518392

nope your fucking wrong about AV 1.0 dead fucking wrong the mines and mine layer was shit. go back to a private server that has it running and tell me it was still great.
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>>375521673
MoP is objectively the bext xpac if you did any content like PvP or raided, it was the golden era of both

If you try about muh story then yeah it wasnt great
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>>375521023
>>375521036
You're still implying that Shamans didn't have SS in vanilla you absolute LARPing fags. You're making it so damn obvious you're just going off of random shit you've heard from random fuccbois while trying to pass it off like you played it.

>>375521167
Saddest decision ever to put that weapon in. Completely killed twohand itemization from 50-60, it made every other weapon in the level range completely useless.
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>>375521864
MoP was the worst in setting, characters and aesthetics. Additionally pandaren player characters are a blight on both factions.
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I wish I could play vanilla with wotlk combat.
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>>375522126
Yeah you just proved my point, if youre a casual and care heavily about those things then you might call if bad but if you actually plaed the game then you'd know it was really good
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>>375521673
MoP is probably the best expansion after the decline of WoW, its biggest pitfalls were the daily grind and year of Siege
WoD is easily the worst expansion at this point, it's an unfinished disaster that introduced garrisons and had a single major content patch
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>>375513396
>tfw played warcraft 2 in 99
>got stuck in the counter-strike hype 00 through 05
>skipped warcraft 3 and went straight into wow
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>>375521673
MoP is above Legion for Throne of Thunder alone.
Only reason I would put it under Cataclysm is I fucking loved Cata's pre-nerf heroic dungeons, literally some of the best 5-man group content the game has ever gotten.
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>>375522305
WoD was so terrible I left it off the list.

>>375522229
It can have the best mechanics in the game but its worthless if everything else is subpar and theres no interest in clearing the content. Compare the hype of clearing Black Temple or ICC with their iconic bosses to generic ancient asian temple with literally whos.
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>>375522403
I wish Blizzard would go back to making hard 5 man content, M+ isnt really the same
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Vanilla's gameplay was kind of shit to be quite honest. I still think it's the best because of the social aspect which is what people actually remembers over the rest of Vanilla.
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>>375522529
I really doubt you even cleared ICC 25H or BT with your casual demeanor of the game. Putting the story over the gameplay and mechanics of the game is retarded outside of something like a VN.

The story in WoW has been garbage since vanilla anyway because they're always forced to shoehorn the races into their factions for convenience
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>>375522537
Vanilla's difficulty in the world made me more invested in it than the more autopilot difficulty of later expansions, but you're right that the social aspects and limitations are what made it stick out to so many people. I actually dropped Kronos fast because it was massively undertuned, you barely even needed a tank for dungeons
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Anyone else miss all of the various secondary affects for many abilities, like the increase to magic damage taken, increase to physical damage taken, decrease to accuracy, decrease to attack spped/power, etc, especially for Hunter pets?

>always had pets with at least one of each ability for dungeons and 10-man raids
>Raptor lowering armor so tank could do other things and for physcal DPS
>Wind Serpent lowering magic for the magic DPS
>Carrion Bird for lowering enemy attack power
>Scorpid for that very nice stacking poison DoT
>Core Hound to decrease enemy casting speed

And when you were questing/grinding those abilities were even more helpful.
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>>375522941
wrath baby
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>>375522537
Vanilla's gameplay was fantastic when everyone had just got to 60 and were horribly geared and 1v1s took 30 seconds like a peudo-chess match.
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>tfw a raid that was made in a week is more memorable then any raid beyond 4.0

really activates the pistachios
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>>375522403
I honestly really enjoyed cata, a lot more than WoTLK. Leveling as a dwarf shaman in the revamped classic areas was incredibly fun. The quests were great and leveling didn't feel like a chore until you got to 65ish. Then at 85 shaman healers were weak as shit but I still did it because I loved the challenge. I can understand why around 3.2 everyone started to hate it, but that 5 man difficulty was just so nice to fall into again.
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>>375522941
I miss a lot of old hunter abilities.
>tfw you will never again use Eyes of the Beast to gank lowbieshitters as a stealthed cat
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>>375522757
People choose WoW half because of the setting, the characters and the lore and half because of the gameplay. You cant have one without the other.
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>>375502148
I quit mid wotlk because I realized the only thing I did as a druid tank in 5 mans was speed running through rooms, gather a couple of groups and spam swipe while a few nameless soulless players I found in a groupmatching box and will never see again after this instance spam all their aoe abilities. The strategy and the human element was gone. Thought about going back in cata cause my friend said they made things hard again, but then it got nerfed so I said fuck it. So glad I never spent another hour on this bullshit. I do miss vanilla/bc days though...
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>>375523281
I'm glad they kept it, MC was boring as hell your 20th time going through, but actually progressing with a raiding guild through it until you finally beat rag was such a great feeling.
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>>375523281
>literally everyone has impact enchants
>all those casters too

lmao what the fuck was this
oh those were the days
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>>375523281
>i stopped playing in wotlk so nothing is memorable

No shit you wouldn't remember anything past that. Firelands and ToT were top tier, SoO was good too but lasted too long
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What are the biggest identifiers of people who never actually played vanilla? I like these

>shamans were OP in pvp
>reckoning was strong
>warlocks could seduce and kill everyone with big crits
>anything that implies that druids were not just innervate bots for most of vanilla in pve
>flying mounts killed world pvp
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>>375512705
kek
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>>375523817
>UD rogue is the best race for rogues
>warrior leveling is too hard
>leveling as fury is the best spec
>paladins are bad at healing and are the worst class in the game
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>>375523252
>pseudo-chess match
>when every class except rogue and mage (some specs) were mechanically very simplistic in pvp
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>>375523817
>flying mounts killed world pvp
did they not?
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>>375523725
it's a cool glow from the time when no one cared about min/max
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>>375523752
I stopped playing in Cata after getting server firsts in BWD and FL when it came out

came back for MoP and it was a load of fucking garbage. I don't get the whole MoP was good meme because it truly wasn't enjoyable and led to my entire guild quitting and half the server disappearing
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>>375523348
Just another case of Blizz caving in to casuals. The heroics were fun and perfectly doable, but as usual people bitch and complain if all 5-man content isn't complete faceroll.
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>>375523157
You do know that many of those were around back in Vanilla, yes? The Scorpid poison DoT was one of the most useful because it stacked 5 times and became really strong.

Also, the special pets that had faster attack speeds like The Rake.
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>>375499041
>Main Tank for successful nefarion/C'thun guild, 3rd best alliance guild in the server
>first member of guild to get full T2 gear with all slots from BWL
>Get a random message from some non guildies asking if I want tank for a 5 man onyxia.
>Ask guild leader if its cool and tells me there are plenty of tanks to handle it since we split into 3 raids of 15 people and race to see who can down Onyxia first, winners get extra DKP.
>5 man Onyxia

I felt like the tank I wanted to be when I first joined the guild. I had that dream and fulfilled it. One of the most satisfying moments of my life.

I'd give anything in the world to be 15 again just so I could do it all over the exact same way.
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>>375524120
Can you clarify why you hated it so much?
Did you just hate the aesthetic or the dailies or what?
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>>375524131
The fact that he mentions core hound alone makes him a wrath babby.
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>ywn get ganked in redridge for the first time again
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>>375523725
it's probably freezing oil or some shit
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>>375524275
The AFK sunder spamming type?
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>>375519294
Im a slav, there wasn't anything i could do at the time and there were a handful of tanks who could actually keep aggro
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>>375524312
Just the whole package

leveling experience
aesthetics
5 mans
heroics
talent changes
pvp
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>>375524451
>mfw I played on an RP server
>didn't get ganked a single time
>had comfy weekly meetups with the guild
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>>375524117
>when no one cared about min/max

That's one piece of nostalgia private servers will never get back. I wish we could have that attitude again...
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>>375513952
It's the best version of bloodlust sound effect
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>>375499041
you will never go to kithicor forest again on your way to the fabled leveling zone highpass and highpass hold. you will never run the walls because the terrors held in the dark of night in kithicor. why live?
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>>375522208
Pretty much this, WOTLK was vanilla enough for me without being obscenely time-consuming.
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>>375499686

Wotlk baby faggots
Thanks for killing wow!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_wzlrB9d9s

The original is the best version
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>>375524094
World PvP was dead way before TBC came out.

In 1.4, honor system was implemented. This was before any battlegrounds. There was world PvP prior to this, but the addition of the honor system encouraged large scale battles as that was the best way to gain honor.

1.5 added WSG and AV.. PvP started moving from large scale battles to battlegrounds, but due to being forced to queue from specific locations in the world (that weren't capitals), there were still some skirmishes. However, 1.5 also added dishonorable kills. DKs completely killed city raids of all kinds, because there was always the risk of someone killing a civilian, which would result in a large honor penalty.

Finally, when battlemasters moved to cities, the "sit in a city and do nothing" started, and world pvp was as good as dead.

Blizzard infamously tried to revive world pvp in 1.12 with silithus and EPL world pvp objevtives, with the former especially becoming a laughing stock.

http://lolsand.ytmnd.com/
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>>375499041
>you will never hang with your warlock crew and leave 5 doomguards above the elevators to UC again
>you will never slaughter your own allies relentlessly again


a GM asked me to kill one once, so id just autoattack until it killed me. I would then tell him its to strong for me to handle and laugh as it kept killing people walking in
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>>375524121
Yeah its true, it was the first time 5 mans felt like vanilla/BC in a long time. Honestly even on normal the level 85 dungeons felt tough and just made me want to do the heroics with guild mates even more.

I've gone back for every expansion and have hoped that maybe something will be there. But no matter how convenient they may seem, There is one thing I think ruined the game. PvP and dungeon ques across battle-groups (server mixers or whatever they were called.

As nice as it was for some servers to get some higher pvp population and for people to get a dungeon in 15 minutes, anybody could suddenly act like a complete shit head and there would be no harm to their reputation. Originally if you were a complete ass to everyone and ninja'd everything, your name would spread and everyone on the server knew to remove you from the group whenever they saw you. People were held responsible for their crap.

The game just doesn't require any actual communication since you can literally que and end up with people who are only interested in purple gear.
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>>375524410
You're a special type of retard, aren't you.

>he mentioned something from an expansion I hate, better accuse him of only playing during that time
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>>375524847
People didnt care about min/max just because they didn't figure out yet what was the best combination. By the time people figured out and they got more serious with raiding when AQ and Naxx came out you had people taking the game more seriously and no more meme shit like ret pallys or boomkins
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>Vanilla
People nostalgia hard over it and forget things like half the specs beings useless, leveling as non-dps, stats making no sense (spells don't scale at all!), but the world was definitely felt more like an MMO in the style of EQ.
>BC
Vastly more cohesive leveling experience, and Sunwell/IQD became some of the best content ever made despite only being stopgap content. But also introduced Flying and Arenas.
>Wrath
Everyone who thinks it was best seems to conveniently forget the main first raid being a 100% rehash, a 15+ months of ICC only (lol Ruby Dragonshrine), and the promised 2nd and 3rd acts of the Wrathgate being cut.

>Cataclysm
Great on launch and then got progressively worse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dragon Soul

>Mists
Solid expansion with the forced daily rep grinds being the main complaint.

>WoD
Didn't play until it was free at the very end but seemed to have a great questing experience. Didn't have to play to meme about the hilarious amounts of cut content.

>Legion
Great if you don't like alts/secondary specs. Probably the best form WoW has been in, unless you're looking for the MMO style from Vanilla.
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>>375524575
Sometimes yes, particularly in MC, but BWL didn't (always) work that way and neither did AQ20/40. A lot of bosses in those raids had some really important timings that you had to trade tanks and kite for. I never really thought "all I do is sunder" after we started raiding BWL. Going AFK as MT would've wiped the raid quickly in those places.
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>>375525241
Yeah this all makes sense, I didn't start until 1.11 so I didn't experience all this as it happened.
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>>375525071
>>375521962
WAAAHHHHH STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!!!
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>>375525768
I miss gabking niggers with a party of my friends while leveling

That was the best part of WoW for me
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>>375525651
(you)
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>>375507235
Vanilla servers would be popular for a short amount of time but then run into the issue of being patch locked. Do they just hold it at the final patch before TBC? Eventually people run out of shit to do and whatever Blizzard decides to do won't be popular
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>>375526119
Yeah I think most are 1.12, but they unlock the raids on a schedule
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Blizzard is the worst company in the industry.
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>>375526209
Nah, there are still worse like Bioware and Konami.
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>>375525352
The best combinations were pretty simple to figure out. The math was very simple for basically every class in vanilla.

I think the problem was that the information was not as easy to find. People forget that search engines were nearly not as good in 2005 as they are now.
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>>375524562
>Target warlock
>send this cunt to attack him
>auto shot the warlock until he reaches him
>find a new target since the warlock now can't cast shit

fun times, pvp in vanilla was an unbalanced mess but this kind of shit always made me laugh
some times they just fleed from me until my pet unsummoned
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>>375502148

The important take-away from this you never make something easy/more convenient, and then try to reverse it. People will simply not accept it. The greatest problem WoW is facing since the gigantic nerf of content in early Cata is that shit is simply too easy and fast to complete.
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>>375526387
The public acknowledges that Bioware and Konami are garbage. EVERYBODY eats Blizzard's shit and never questions it.
>Overwatch is da best game eva!
>So progressive!
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>>375526209
Not worst company, buy worst fanbase for sure.
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>>375526550
Doesn't mean Blizz is the worst though.
Their games may be shit but at least they're functional, unlike the average Bioware or Bethesda game that gets shipped out borderline unplayable which people will also rush to defend.
Blizz is bad but far from the worst.
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>>375510613
>only best thing was community
>in an mmo
yeah, so the best
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>>375502010
>but warlock

wat, warlock were specially countered by rogues
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Worst thing Blizzard ever did was LFR. The fucking thing is such a toxic system.
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This thread has convinced me I want back in, I played Nostalrius before it went down where do I need to go to get the best vanilla experience again?
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>>375525208
only if you still have the non-youtube mp3 version
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>>375526916
No, the worst thing Blizzard ever did was implementing more than one difficulty for raids.
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>>375526390
The right info was there but it took people a very long time go realize it, you still had people thinking Night Elf was the best tank, using daggers as a rogue, fire mages existing in MC, and people not defaulting to dwarf priest for race
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>>375527003

I only have the .wav :(
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>>375511006
i've played almost every role in wow and i would have to say being a MT is a pain in the ass because people fuckin expect so much of your time that if you dont show up for one day, people get pissed off. it felt like a damn job
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>>375526916
You arent even required to do LFR why does it matter
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>>375526916
I mentioned it earlier but yeah the LFG system combined with battlegroups killed any prior form of community the game had. After that you just ended up dungeoning with a bunch of loaners who will exit group/dungeon at the first wipe. Even the fact that you didn't have to at least walk to the dungeon was removed.
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>>375527293
Tanking in vanilla especially sucks too when you get retarded dps that try to unload everything in the opener and forget that threat is a thing then when they get one shot by the boss they cry
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>>375527062
explain in detail why making content more accessible while also having a challenging difficulty is a bad thing.

literally everybody wins.
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>>375527324

This is such a short sighted view to take. What do you think the effect of letting people clear content that used to keep them occupied for hour after hour in 45mins is?
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>>375523518
this is what killed the game for me too, I used to had a blast making a group with my guild alters or whatever to farm dungeons for a while but the dungeon finder ruined that forever since nobody waited for guildies since the content was piss easy anyway
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>>375525651
>Vastly more cohesive leveling experience
it's literally vanilla questing except with bombing run quests
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>>375527613
The game isnt balanced around lfr so it doesnt really matter, people in lfr raids are super casual who dont even know what mechanics are. I havent played lfr in a long time since there's no benefit and you have to play with people from Ragnaros
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>>375527502
If you raided with good people they either understood not to go all out in the first 10 seconds or they quickly learned not to. As an MT if someone died from doing that the raid/guild leader would step in and say it was their fault not mine.
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>>375527957

You are Joe Casual

You jump into LFR, spend 45min - 1 hour

You have no seen all content the game has to offer

You COULD jump into harder difficulties, but why bother? You've already killed the boss.

You unsub
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>>375519979
>Did you never see a mage try to fight a warlock?

SL warlock is the only thing in game that a mage wouldn't just bend over. And they could easily just walk away from you.

Unless, they had Eye of Moam, which any mage serious about PvP did. Then they could fuck up SL locks too.
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>>375527961
>>375527502
>starting boss
>mfw mage pulls with pom+pyro while im more than 50 yards away as tank
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Anyone else remember the run to Scarlet Cathedral as Alliance back in vanilla? (pre-bc) Took like 2 hours to get a dungeon group together. Shit was epic.
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>>375527840
Not him but Cata changed a lot of quests from vanilla, instead of having to roam all around different zones to level now everything was more straight forward and plus the quest flow was better with not having to run across an entire zone map to turn something in then run back to turn it back.

It had its pros and cons with being more convenient if you've done it before but hurts new players since they dont get to explore everywhere
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>>375528173
Good, anyone who's dumb enough to quit the game after they think they beat it because of lfr can leave. Its the equivalent to beating a game on very eaay
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>>375528248
Talking about BC, not Cata
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>>375528232

Yep. Also RFD and RFC. First time you see that massive skeleton rave it's amazing.
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>>375514571
rogue in vanilla on a pvp server was the fucking best, especially in stv. that place is a war zone and booty bay is a very comfortable place
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>>375528173
WoW is basically diablo now. A mostly mindless slaughter through dungeons in progressively higher difficult tiers, with the goal of getting better loot to grind the same dungeons all over again.
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>>375527570
One of the reasons to actually put work towards content is to actually see the content. You want to see what the bosses are, what the fights are like, etc.

By creating a casual mode for raids, you allow people to experience these things without actually putting in effort. This makes the content feel unrewarding, and basically just something that is in between you and loot. It also makes it less likely for people to do the content at a proper difficulty level, because there are fewer reasons to do so now. Bosses with an extra attack pattern or two, higher hp and more damage isn't nearly as alluring as bosses you've never fought before.

An important thing in game design is to not give the player a choice sometimes. That is because humans, by nature, are averse to putting in effort, even if they realize that they will have less fun if they don't put in the effort. If you put in an overpowered skill to a single player game, many people will abuse to skill to go through the game, even though it makes the game too easy. After that, they might even complain about the game being too easy and not fun. Easier difficulties in raids works similarly.
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QOL is an MMOs worst nightmare
MMOs literally fucking strive on their players being machismo and the game missing features to force players into making community made replacements for it to survive
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>>375528218
yeah, shit like that would happen, but then you get to do some fun shit to the raid too.
>Raiding MC for the 50th time to gear new guildies
>Bored tanking Ragnaros, trying to think of a way to make it fun
>Notice 80 snowballs in my last pouch which interrupt party members at the time
>Start discreetly throwing snowballs at my main healer during flashier moment of the fight, interrupting the heals he gives me
>He starts to panic when my health keeps dipping. Continue to throw them at him, raid leader, and guild leader.
>Go through 50 snowballs before they realize what the fuck is going on and whole guild except them just bursts out laughing over vent.

good times
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>>375499041

>Want to replay the game
>know that all my skills on every characters i have have been prunned
>dungeons now puts you on a waiting list, and make you teleport to the dungeon with people
>no more ways of getting pals like old times unless you go on a roleplay server
>mfw
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>>375524765
No wonder you hated it then, the dungeons was garbage as fuck, I honestly never touched pvp outside vanilla so no fucking clue about that and the leveling experience/aesthetics are subjective.

The things that made MoP honestly better than wrath or just slightly worse depending on how much you rated story over gameplay or vice versa was the raids. Raiding in MoP was honestly the most fun I think I ever had raiding,

Class mechanics were at their most difficult in the history of game (including now), raid mechanics were unique as fuck and actually challenging.

Honestly if you enjoyed hardcore raiding MoP was the expansion to end all expansions.

Vanilla > BC > MoP > Wrath = Cata > WoD > Legion.
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>>375511085
>those wowhead comments
power of reddit
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>>375528361

You're not getting it.
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>>375523281
>never got the dal rend swords or even a krol blade when i played
i wanted to be a combat rogue so bad
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>>375499041
>you will never gank people leveling at the Duskwood graveyard while you make money farming grave moss as a low level 20 undead rogue again
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>>375525651
>Great if you don't like alts/secondary specs. Probably the best form WoW has been in, unless you're looking for the MMO style from Vanilla.

Obligatory (You)

Vanilla was the best version of the game for that real living world experience where the world actually felt like a real world and not shitty nonstop chain of hubs to get you to the next best thing.

MoP was the best version of the game if you wanted to raid hardcore and actually enjoy difficult class and raid mechanics.
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>>375521851
aaaallllright

>jesse cook mario takes a walk
world of roguecraft

>mindless selfindulgence
not sure about this one but the last laintime video?

>airwave when things go wrong
nihilum downs Kel'thuzad world first

>breaking me down
that fucking r14 warrior that used the added talent points glitch for deathwish and had an army of healbots as well as using flasks and fucking raid consumables in his video for the biggest phattest crits
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>>375528232
I remember how we tried to find entrance to BFD whit guildies, it took us hours to figure out where it was.
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>>375515213
comfycore soundtrack
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>>375499686
>wrathbabbies having nostalgia for shitty, forgettable zones

Same as children here having nostalgia for Oblivion.
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why were hunters always retarded players?
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>>375502297
What do you need to have the job of this guy?
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>>375529884
First and last were what I was looking for. Third video also has that song, but it wasn't the video I was looking for.

The videos for second and third are from early vanilla (first 6 months).
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>>375530256
Because it was the only class you could afk level as.
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how old was everyone when they started playing WoW?

I was 12 and scared that if I told anyone how old I was I'd get kicked off because I thought there was a minimum age to play
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>>375528232
especially without a damn mount which most people i knew didn't even have the gold when they hit 40

it made classes like shaman/druid a blessing
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>>375530256
xxxlegolasxxx
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>>375529490
I'd rather have casual trash that do lfr only leave the game they won't be missed since they were never cut out for real raiding. Raiding at the highest level has always been for bragging rights and being able to say "i beat this xpac". No one will say that if you just did the shit on normal
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>>375530424
14 in 2004
I was already pretending to be a girl on RP servers.
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>>375515326
Human rogue from vanilla to Cata, nelf kitty in WoD, nelf DH for a couple of months in Legion until I quit
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>you will never look with awe and amazement at a level 40 with his mount again
>you will never do the pilgrimage from Teldrassil to Stormwind ever again
>you will never wall-jump to get into the secret Ironforge airstrip ever again
>you will bro it up with 39 other people in ventrilo ever again
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>>375514571
>>375514571
This. Plus, STV was generally super comfy.
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>>375530520
>tfw had a solar system of orbiters as a teen by pretending to be a girl for gold and loot priority

Thats probably why I'm not 100% straight right now
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>>375530398
16. boy did my grades take a hit because of wow. it got really bad when i decided to skip school to play
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>>375530398
11, though I started playing a few weeks before my birthday.

I got into the server's second best raiding guild basically the moment I hit level 55, because there were hardly any high level warlocks on the server. You could probably count them with your fingers. I lied and said I was 15, but raiding was always pretty hard for me because my dad would insist I would go to bed before 11 pm. As a result, I had to leave basically every raid early.
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>>375526197
Do they unlock the honor system or is that implemented from the beginning?
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>>375530398
12 too. Raided MC/Onyxia/ZG/AQ40 but nobody seemed to mind I was that young.
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>>375530691
>alliance
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>>375530515

I think Blizzard cares a lot.
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>>375530730
>the "girl" doesn't have a mic or is mute
somethings fishy. i always hated those fuckin dudes who put pussy on a pedestal. they always get cucked in the end.
its the worst if your guild leader is one of them
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>>375530815
I think it's implemented from the start, but I never really PvPd during the very brief time I tried one
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>>375530730
fukkin' weirdo abusing power
I just liked the roleplay
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>>375521904
As an alliance warrior who got it at 51 on a server where we almost never win AV I was so happy I got it so early, other warriors would only get it around 55/56 if they were lucky.

I joined that game before I went to school and ended up joining same game as soon as I got home only to win an hour later. It was my first AV and I was so glad to have it. Used it until 60 when I got the untamed blade off of razorgore in BWL and still kept it in the bank cause I cherished it so much.
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>>375530256

It was the Legolas appeal, plus they had shit easy lvling so they never actually learned to play.
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>>375507231
Kronos did it and was forced to undo it because of the severity of the DDOS attacks that followed
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>>375516670
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>>375531048
i miss that feeling so much
just keeping gear in the bank because it meant something to you
fuck man
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Some time in the future, I hope I can experience the magic of early WoW again, when we see the first VR MMO or something like that.
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>>375530398
14 around patch 1.3 if I recall. I'm not quite sure but Arathi Basin just became available for lv 20's and I fucking loved it.
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>>375527182
>fire mages existing in MC
This was the worst meme for the dumbest players. The only mobs that were immune to fire were the firelords (with which you were just spamming blizzard on anyway), geddon and raggy. Everything else in MC had pretty much zero fire resistance. You didn't need to be frost for MC, that was an assumptive misconception.
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>>375530945
>somethings fishy

Not really, I am a guy and I'd never speak with people I only know online.
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>>375531214
You'll never experience it again because everyone was so young and it was a new world to explore
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>>375530398
I started it on Christmas after it was released so I was 8

I told people I was in my 30s but that I was mute so I couldn't talk on mic during anything. Looking back it was probably pretty obvious that I was underaged
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>>375531214
do you really think thats going to happen?
right now vr is a meme and mmos are dead
we can only hope i guess could be really cool
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>>375531396
Everyone likes sword art online.

VR MMOs will be a thing.
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>>375531371

Yeah, I know. This is why I imagine that maybe the first MMO to use some revolutionary new technology might give the same sense of wonder.

>>375531396

Who the fuck knows what will be possible in the future. Computing power continues to increase at an accelerating pace.
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>>375530398
I started like a month after release, I think I was around 14.
I never had any issues whit my age, I felt like most of the people I played whit were close to my age as well.
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>>375511243
No way wow uses w3 engine. It is just impossible.
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>be now
>mid twenties
>have career and responsibilities
>no time for video games
>get sudden WoW flashback
>go to /v/
>nostalgia thread on first page
>get overdosed with nostalgia
>feel a primal urge to drop everything and play WoW 24/7
>realize vanilla WoW ended 10 years ago

I swear to god this game gave me some sort of PTSD
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>>375521851
1) World of Roguecraft
2) Noggaholic
3) Exploration: the Movie
4) Pat PvP 2

...i d-didn't want to remember wallwalking ;_;
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>>375531210
I know man. Now everything just feels expendable.
Whenever I go back to try a new expansion (as I've done for all of them) I always log back on to my older, unleveled characters and look at the gear I have equipped/stored and still remember how/when I got them. Whenever I hit wrath gear I start to forget and I think that's when the magic started to fade.
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>>375502297
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>>375532070
Was 2 in noggaholic?

The one I was thinking of was Death and Taxes' city raids.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJeOe4XsgUI
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>>375512435
4chan went to shit. And is hard to accept but it is the truth. Maybe, somewhere, a great community is growing, without you.
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>>375532024
I've spent probably $90 on 2 month sub cards in the last two months because I keep seeing vids of someone playing it, grow nostalgic and then re-sub. I'll play for like 2 days, the desire to play wears off and I uninstall it. Idk what's my problem
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>>375529804
If you didnt have a defias mask while doing this you were a shitter.
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>>375529219
Just sit in lava if you want to make it hard for them
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>>375514571
How does PVP in wow work? Are there special zones? Do you need consent?
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>>375530691
wall-jumping in Hyjal was way more fun tho
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>>375530256
ultra EZmode PvE so they were the one class that was never actually forced to learn how to play their class

The superrare good ones were damn good thou
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>>375512665
Still better than what you get now.

t. someone who started to browse at 2009 and have been in both "fun is a buzzword" and "has anyone really been far even" threads.
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>>375530691
>you will never do the pilgrimage from Teldrassil to GM Island ever again
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>>375531939
it doesn't, but it did in an early alpha screenshot
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>>375499686

>tfw first time I logged onto Wrath expac it started snowing outside.

It was perfection lads. I have never felt more immersed with my toon before.

inb4 tons of faggots giving me (you)s for saying toon. Thanks.
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>>375533003
>toon

yw
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>>375511354

He's not wrong though. The internet community is worse now. Of course there were faggots back then, but there are more now because people think it's almost normal.
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>>375531009
Well that sucks. It would actually be nice to get some prep time at 60 before diving into that grind.
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