Why'd it fail?

>>374594727
Strayed too far from the gameplay mechanics of Planetside 1

Release new weapons, nerf them after everyone buys them, repeat.

they put cod style super high ttk (die in 5 bullets) into a game based around battles with 100+ people who are potentially using weapons that can also 1 hit kill

that along with some of the absolute worst map design i have EVER seen and absolutely awful fps on anything over than a high end overclocked i7 made it a gigantic piece of shit

if they had just copied the low ttk of planetside 1 and actually had someone competent design the bases it could have been great

Too much jewery

Not only was it P2W since its inception, but all of the cosmetics ruin the aesthetic of the game.

It got boring after awhile and other games drew people away. I remember there was a noticeable dip in players when Battlefield 4 came out.

>>374595558

>all of the cosmetics ruin the aesthetic of the game

Biggest reason I quit. It just became such a mess.

Fucking T-Ray.

>>374594918
Yep. Combine this with the absurd performance issues and ludicrous show-stopping glitches, massive grind (supposedly they did tone it down a bit but I stopped before the lattice shit) and prolific cheaters with very little effort put forward to stop them, it's no wonder it started going down the shitter.

>>374594727
Hell I'm surprised it lasts this long. 7ish years?

>One man Liberators all day
>Removed Crown fights
>NS weapons
>Cert system
>Performance

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I play Planetside 2 every so often, but honestly I can't give a good reason to play it over what everyone else plays instead; Battlefield.

There's too much down time and nothing interesting mechanic wise separating it from the giant that is the Battlefield franchise. There really isn't a big reason to bother with Planetside. Once we get a 2142 sequel then there will absolutely be no reason to ever bother with Planetside again.

>>374594727
>games ever convinced
>convinced

Fuck off, phone-poster. Type on a real keyboard or die in a fire.

>>374594727
>no faction wide meta game goal
>no meta game resource/construcion system
>extreme low ttk
>very grindy
>all weapons are just assault rifles like in cod (spray and pray)
>not enough differnt vehicles
>shitty performance
>no platoon command system
>no depth

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>>374596272

it's a glorified death match. it's planetside in name only. it's really annoying how we will never get an mmofps like planetside again. i think there's a market for it

>>374594727
Why is everyone in the game black?

>>374594727

I tried it and I thought the gameplay wasn't very good. Serviceable, but stiff and awkward.

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>>374594727
Honestly they had something semi decent when they still had the old alert system to cap continents, it was actually a good enough reason to hop on every day and play for two or three hours to do an alert.

The new system is complete shit and makes literally everything you do feel awful, whereas the old system actually encouraged fun group play.

Also who the FUCK thought construction was a good idea? It's so bad.

>>374594727
Are we gonna pretend we aren't here because of the video

>>374599373
Don't link it here, keep that channel comfy

>>374594727
To answer your question the devs were both Jewish and retards

I had the most fun with it early on when 99% of players were retards and it was beautiful chaos. The tutorial literally just dropped you into the biggest battle it could find with no explanation.

nowadays everyone is max level and in an outfit and shit. I don't have the energy for that. I just wanna climb up a mountain in a hover tank and sneak up behind snipers.

>>374599373
There's a new thread already.
I guess everyone knows about it.

What's up with that base building system? What do you get from it?

>>374594727
Performance is shit.
After all those years still no sli/crossfire support

>>374599649
mandaloregaming is 4chan's best kept secret

Gotta say though didn't the first game only have capture the flag before lattice?

>>374599649
Base building makes victory points, get enough and you win the continent
But there's so many that one person just logging off and having their base shut down can mean someone suddenly wins so it's ass

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>tfw you spent a day punching turrets to death on hossin to finish the max directive for the armor

>it doesnt even look that cool
>you cant use it for other characters on different servers

i am filled with regret

>>374600862
>i am filled with regret
good way to sum up ps2

>>374600862
>i am filled with regret
wrap it up.
We're done here.

Imagine unironically picking VS

>>374594727
no point to it all = glorified arcade game like Battlefield

is this game fun if you have a lot of friends?

>>374600996
Keked

anyone wanna join me on cobad?

http://ps2.fisu.pw/player/?name=jamesc55155

>>374599373
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBLEP9dK-4o
Fuck you
The explanation to how the ANTs worked is incredible, is there a tangible reason why 2 doesn't work this way? They could still have pay2win and have a system where defense doesn't always have a massive advantage

Pay to win.

>>374596091
Sadly, this. While the idea of massive wars going on is great, in practice it just plays like a shittier version of Battlefield. Worse level design, worse game balance etc.

>>374602640
I really wish the game worked that way, reminds me of release time when people would fly galaxies back and forth between bases and the spawn to move people around, there's something incredibly cool about doing mundane things in vidya.
PS2 still manages to make you feel like a cog in the machine but I wish fighting on the frontline wasn't the be all and end all.

First off, I still to this day have no idea what the system requirements for this game actually are. When it first dropped, yeah I had a complete piece of shit PC that couldn't even run the menu.
But now I can emulate a PS2 and Gamecube game in 4k at the same fucking time, and Planetside 2 still seems like it requires more power. I have no idea what machine these devs expect people to have but it certainly isn't consumer-grade.

second, paying 15 dollars for a car horn is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in any game.

Third, let's have a Call of Duty style 'die in 2 hits' ironsights game in a game with 100 players on one map. Yeah that sounds fun.

You can pick only one
>remove f2p and the game cost $20 with buyable cosmetics
>you get all the faction variation and difference from ps1 with the old capture system

>>374603274
Neither make it playable. So first one so it dies faster.

>>374602640
>choosing to not wear a helmet is a 10 dollar cosmetic

Please tell me that part was a joke

>>374595671
It's ridiculous that the majority of the cosmetics are player made and they're all pretty nice while staying well within the aesthetic of each faction, but then you get fucking flaming skulls and absurd glowing bullshit from the few official helmets.

Lack of balance due to developer bias.

Vanu have
>highest armor
>highest shields
>highest ROF
>highest DPS
>best vehicles
>no bullet dropoff

This is due to 90% of the devs playing Vanu so they intentionally buff the everloving shit out of Vanu to give themselves an advantage over everyone else.

Look it up. It's true.

>>374603274
I dont think you could bring back the old PS fell without redesigning most of the maps from the ground up

>>374594918
this is all it was for me

i liked planetside 1 for the non-combat roles like wreaking havoc behind enemy lines with deployables or hacking
i liked running between the trees with a glue gun, shaving 30 seconds off a tank's repair time so it can get back to the front
i liked fortification after bases were taken so they could be defended properly

planetside 2 was just cod/battlefield clone +200 U SHOT THE MAN GUD JOB spam that isn't for me

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>>374594727
>1 year 5 GB patch
>download it
>decide to play it again
>10 GB patch
>look through game size 17GBs
>no pause download button
>install has to restart completely if you close the launcher
>no bandwidth throttling
>download the update
>check the game
>it's still 17GBs
It would help if they didn't fucking have such a piece of shit update system

I wouldn't be suprised if some people stopped playing because trying to get back into the game are turned off by a huge fucking download through a shitty client that forces you download shit in one go

>>374603993
holy fuck this
>download it on steam
>launcher has to download game again
fucking why

>>374603507
>tr shitters still crying about vanu
never change

>>374594727
No development on core gameplay. Actively sabotaged themselves if anything. As the player base dwindled away to nothing, they released a worthless retarded construction mechanic. Continent locking is the most retarded thing to ever exist. Continents became too large for so few players. Ghost capping is boring shit, majority of players wanted to be where the 100v100 fight was.

>>374604483
I played NC

>>374595737
>implying it was a massive grind
>spend an hour with a HE lightning at a big fight
>get 2000 certs

>3 factions, 3 huge maps for dwindling playerbase
>forcing people to play maps they don't want to
>ruining the flow of a battle by just locking the map after an "alert" ends
>giving your players a good reason to just stop playing for the night
>giving your players a good reason to alt-f4 the second they open the game (oh my favorite map is about to be locked, guess I'll play something else)

G E N I U S

>tfw planetside 2 is a failure and studios and companies today don't make any risks.
>they saw ps2 fail so there probably won't even try to make another fpsmmo in the next 10 years.

>>374594727
I could never see PlanetSide2 as a failure because the main release/development cycle was a success in itself but has now lost it due to lack of interest. Having thousands of players online giving feedback and watching war evolve around you through constant updates was an amazing experience in this game for me. .

>>374603507
>Shit MAXes
>Shit LMGs
>Magriders blow up if you sneeze at them
>Mag secondary/Harasser weapons are fucking jokes
>worst faction unique sniper rifle
>worst faction pistols

Vanu have really good ARs and jets but everything else TR has a better version of

>>374594727
It basically took all the depth out of planetside 1 and made a shallow battlefield clone.

oh and it turns out, people don't like pay2notgrind

>>374606483
>shit LMGs
[Muffled Betelgeuses in the distance]

>>374594727
Watered down pay 2 win bullshit with a lifetime of grinding before you can start being even remotely useful
At least on ps1 you could have fun right away

>>374595378
>they put cod style super high ttk

dude what, ps2's ttk is long af compared to other shooters

>>374606483
>TR
>a better tank
If you add up 2 of their AP tank rounds it's only like 200 more damage than a single NC AP round and they get shields and Vanu can easily dodge with their strafe floating horseshit

>>374602571
t. 1.5 kdr

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>>374594727
Every single thing about this game underwent some incomprehensible, retarded decision. Everyone's already covered how they shit on the core gameplay by making it a grindy wannabe Battlefield abortion, so I'm going to bitch about the art style.

They had a fucking PERFECT look for everything in the alpha. Bright recognizable faction colours, beautiful designs, many weapons and armour simply being PS1 designs on a new engine.
Then this literal fedora tipping nigger of an art lead decides everything needed an ugly redesign. Some of the worst offenders being TR helmets, Vanu getting every unique weapon skin turned into a generic purple box, and all classes having pieces of armour removed to be sold on the cash shop (heavies, for instance, need to buy their fucking pants on the cash shop and are only wearing a bulky mismatched chestplate with cargo pants).
This is to say nothing of all the horrible shit like the eye raping camos, construction helmets and dunce hats that got added later, while any decent military designs were rejected for not "fitting the theme of the game".

>>374609698
is that a no?

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>NC nerfed over and over because Barnies and Elmos kept crying that shotguns killed them easily at point blank, which is its entire point and is only useful in areas like Bio labs
>VS and TR can kill easily at just about any range and were still problems point blank before scatters got nerfed
>P2W bullshit, especially with the Stalker cloak that just made run and gun faggots become the hottest shit since sliced bread
>Extremely uneven player balance with everyone on TR and VS because just about everything they have is better than NC
>NC tank specialty nerfed hard, now just a horrible overshield that lets it soak up a couple more hits yet there are rocket launchers that spew out a gorillion rockets

Seriously, fuck you Barnies and Elmos. You guys already had some of the best shit and won almost anything that's not point blank Bio lab and full of scatMAXes. And the most prevalent P2W faggots are on your teams, so neck yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBLEP9dK-4o

mandalore's got a new vid on it

>>374610908
oh shit did they actually nerf that awesome class shotty for NC?

That's what made playing them so fun, going HAM constantly with it at the point.

ps2 wasn't p2w until its most recent update

>>374609419
They reload much faster, even without anchor than NC tanks.

>>374611065
ScatMAXes got nerfed very hard shortly after they became the standard. They were basically the only thing besides billions of Vanguard tanks and Liberators that could actually do anything to the other factions. But of course they, mostly the TR, just HAD to cry and whine that they actually died by something.

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>>374605028
>spending money on the memberships/exp boosts

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>Game has P2W elements to the max
>Able to buy all guns and boosts with real money
>"b-b-b-b-but you can unlock it all normally!"
>"b-b-b-b-but all the starter guns are the best!"
>MFW

Game is extremely pay 2 win, there's no defending it, being able to buy EVERY.SINGLE.UPGRADE with real money = Pay 2 Win

>>374606483
>magriders
>weak
pick one you purple faggot

>>374610972
>>374602640
>tfw just watched his EVE review for a second time even though I have no interest in playing it
Top comfy.

>>374611356
>Game is extremely pay 2 win
Objectively wrong.

Aim better.

>>374594727

because higby wanted it to be an e-sport like the big boys but didn't realize that isn't what the point of a mmo is

>>374611304
>implying I did
You can get 300 kills per hour with an HE lightning camp

>>374611442
I dont quite get how you get that figure considering how varied the enemy forces could be, put if you can pull that off coodos

>>374611356
95% of weapons suck ass and aren't "competitive". The starting weapons really are the best. If you want to complain about P2W then you should use vehicles as you example.

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>>374611416
>Being able to buy items that make you damage resistant with real money

Aiming better isn't going to help you up against a player who pays.

>>374594727
cause the devs sucked NC and Vanu dicks and kept nerfing TR

>>374611603
>If you want to complain about P2W then you should use vehicles as you example.

Don't bother, the kind of people who claim p2w are the same kind of people that think everyone who kills them is hacking. They just need to find some excuse why they suck .

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>>374611603
>"b-b-b-b-but all the starter guns are the best!"

>>374611356
You weren't kidding.

Did you make this thread just because LordMandalore's video just came out?

>>374611626
False

>>374611416
>ps2 not p2w
bullshit, two players can have the exact same skill level and one has the Gauss saw and the other has almost any NS weapon, the NS guy will win pretty much every time

>>374611779
literally this fuck that cancer SMG

>>374611212
and comparing prowler to vanguard the prowler has no overshield and less base armor

>>374611603
are you retarded? the only starter weapons i'd say are any good (comparatively to the NS weapons and etc) are the TR rifles

>>374611779
Nope.

.75 movement is only an issue with laggers

>>374611884
It still wins head on against a shielded vanguard.

>>374611957
yes the NS weapons/paid weapons are objectively better, if you cant see that you must be a retard

>>374611935
False.

Orion was the best gun in the game for a good while. Guass saw is a beast and all you have to do is burst and pull down.

Simple.

>>374612048
Objectively false. They aren't. Sorry kid but you'll have to find some other excuse for your failure.

>>374611779
SAW is a garbage meme, if you can perform with it you're godlike with anything else, could probably snipe with archer too.

>F2P
>Have to buy vehicles, weapons or whatever

I've never been part of the playerbase, but F2P games are a huge redflag for me

>>374612224
>>Have to buy vehicles, weapons or whatever

No you don't, just unlock them with certs like everyone else.

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>tfw they all but stopped making faction specific weapons and we haven't seen a single new faction specific vehicle.
All this NS shit just homogenizes the factions and reduces gameplay variety

Will we ever get a good sci-fi MMOFPS?

>>374611626
>>Being able to buy items that make you damage resistant with real money
You literally can't buy that though

>>374612456
They literally have no assets, no money and no manpower. Game is gonna die in a year or two anyway.

>>374609238
did you ever play ps1?

let's spice this up lads
you have to post your ivi when making a statement about the game
let's see where this brings us :^)

>>374611221
>>374610908
so you're just blaming people who played the other factions for the game dying?

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Remember that month during early PS2 everyone was TR?
Do you remember the reason why?

>>374612750
why is /ps2g/ three years behind on memes

>>374612750
It was about 2,3 I think, stopped playing months ago.

>>374594727
First off the map design was abysmal. Copy pasted modular base designs with literally no actual variety. On top of that the navigability of the bases themselves was totally nonsensical. It made the whole of the game kind of a slog. Something like an ongoing battle for a city in the center with actual building to building fighting would've been really fucking cool, but instead you just repeatedly capture one copy-paste monolithic structure after another. Then there are the infinite zergs and turtles that never go anywhere which is incredibly boring.

Then there was the actual capture mechanics which were, at least for me, incredibly annoying. Spending an extra three minutes to get the exp. bonus while doing nothing was fucking stupid. The resource system was kind of a necessary evil but I honestly think it could be reworked based on player performance instead of static sums at periodic intervals. The cap was also annoying, diminishing returns would've been a fine system.

The damage balance was completely retarded. Infantry shouldn't be virtually immune to AA cannons just because they're AA cannons with the exception of those with specific armor, and even then it should provide marginal defense against them. Same for light vehicles. Battlerifles are unnecessarily shitty, too. They force a low DPS threshold through artificially reducing firing rate while paralleling the damage from fully automatic rifles on a per-shot basis. This made them essentially pointless with few exceptions. But on top of all this all the guns felt awful, nothing seemed to interact with the character as it should, and nothing seemed to interact with the target like it should. The .50 should fuck shit up and yet it feels like you're shooting them with any other gun.

>>374612750

>if you haven't played the game for as long as me why are you talking about it

>>374612883
dnb!!!!

>>374612954
>implying ivi is a measure of time played
t. 0.5 ivi

>>374612745
Yes, but thats not relevant to the post.

The poster I replied to said "cod style super high ttk".

Terrible balance overall, severely annoying grind for new players, odd damage choices for a large scale battle game

>>374612750
/v/ is so retarded they probably never even looked up their ivi kdr

>>374612272
Or you could not grind for six days for a weapon you can only use in certain situations or a shitty all-rounder. Grinding in a game that gets boring and repetitive in the first 20 minutes.

>>374612824

dude the korean chingchongs literally had over 50% vs population late nights. They could outnumber both other factions AT THE SAME TIME

>>374610908
>Extremely uneven player balance with everyone on TR and VS because just about everything they have is better than NC
Stop playing on shit servers. Emerald is almost 100% 33/33/33, with the biggest change about 4% for one faction.

>>374613121
>muh grind

I know this is a crazy idea, but maybe you should play to have fun.

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I'd actually given this game a try not even 2 years ago. I hopped in with all the starter stuff after the tutorial, and thought "Hey! This shits pretty cool." I figured out most of the class mechanics after playing them for 20 minutes each, which led me to believe that the Engineer class was the best all rounder and support. So, I devised a strat to farm CERTs like a money hungry jew. Grab a sunderer, deploy it close to the points in a big fight, and sit on the fucking thing repairing it. If you do it right, like 3 or 4 people will pick up on what you're doing and just hold m1 on the fucking thing. Not to mention when your sunderer ISN'T taking damage, you can just deploy your starter infantry turret and pester the defenders.

>mfw a giant p2w outfit rolled that idea in minutes tho
>mfw my idea was ruined by a one shot kill with no time to react
>they blew up my sunderer
>sad.jpg

>>374613373
>p2w outfit

aim better

>>374613482
you say that like it wasn't my 10th hour or so in game and i was just slightly better than the average BR 3.

>>374613373

sundys are tough as fuck to kill without a vehicle now that they have the jewshield.

Used to be the "top tier strategy" was to put engi mines on a lib/esf and fly straight then turn so they fell on your sundy. Basically, jewy shit that is fucked because of the resource system.

BTW you can still enlarge hitboxes and if you do this properly you won't get kicked.

>tfw I was a day late to cancel membership and paid for anothwr month
God damn it

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>>374613719
DLETE THIS

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>>374613670
I saw later that they have an option to fucking CLOAK THEMSELVES. TO CLOAK. A SPAWNPOINT. I still haven't farmed enough CERTS for that.

I hadn't tried flying until way later though because my flight skill was equivalent to an inebriated monkey. If i'd known you can do that, I'd have asked someone to do it then jihad straight onto enemy sunderers. Thank you.

>>374613763
frig of werlyboy

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>>374614186
i swear 2 god i hope trump nukes u fukks

>>374613901

yeah. I don't like that because it just encourages more people to lock their vehicles and I fucking love being an overpowered as fuck secondary weapon gunner.

>>374614329
Secondary weapons are fun when your driver isn't hitting bumps like hes blind. My fave thing was to brrrt down BR 70 or so infiltrators that thought they were sneaky boys.

>>374594727
If it got a sudden surge in players, I would unironically go back in a heart beat.

>>374614497

i dont want to give away all my secrets but when everyone is fucking around on a capture point I usually just chill in the sundy and waste dudes who think they're sneaky beeki and/or harass planefags. I end up with more xp and it's more fun.

>>374614589
Implants turned into stinky, dirty popo. If you thought it was grindy before, you've no idea how bad it is now.

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>when you refuse to implement tanks the way there were in Planetside 1
>when every tank is a one man killing machine so every base battle is ten billion tanks swarming into it
>when you compensate for one man tank swarms by making the armor out of cardboard and giving every heavy assault player an unerring lock on rocket launcher
>when you shut down all criticism of this because "It's more fun this way" even though you don't play games and you're a soulless corporate jew

>>374612745
Having played PS1 a lot back in its heyday, the original's TTK was not that long. In fact, it's faster in the original because of the way it worked.
PS1 had no headshots and damage loss over distance only took place at the extreme range just before the projectile disappeared (for example, the Suppressor SMG lost damage after 50m and disappeared after 75). As a result, the length of time for a shootout was very static and narrow. The only thing that really altered this was wearing different ExoSuits, and in that regard anything that wasn't a Reinforced Exo had you die VERY fast.*

In PS2, a point blank shootout is very fast thanks to higher damage, headshots, weapons with 600-1000 RPM rates (PS1 weapons all fired at much lower rates, 120-525RPM) and more weapons that can put out one shot kills.
But because of tighter hitboxes, smaller projectile collision models, much more mobile characters, way more recoil on weapons, and most weapons start losing damage after about 10m, anything beyond point blank ends up being a very long, drawn out fight.
A 50m shootout in PS2 with most infantry weapons will be much longer than a shootout in PS1 with any infantry weapons. Unless it's a sniper rifle headshot. Fuck one hit kill weapons.

Planetside 2's TTK is still among the slowest in active shooters today, nowhere near as lethally fast as COD's 0.2~ second TTK or Battlefield's 0.35~ TTK.

*In fact, it's likely that most players were so used to only ever having a Rexo equipped in PS1 whenever they moved in to fight indoors that they considered it the norm (just like how everyone who played COD4 used Stopping Power and were so used to it that they cried at Juggernaut undoing SP's massive advantage), when using a Light or Standard ExoSuit had you dying just as fast as non-Heavy Assaults in PS2.

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>>374614589
if it had a surge of players, that would mean that they fixed whats broke. not gonna happen
>>374614686
fucking kek, I'm sometimes one of these people if a Vanuboy is roaming around in a scythe. Pop a few rifle shots at him to spook him, then hide. Repeat until kms.

>>374614298
))

>>374613901
You know how loud the regular cloaking is? The sundy cloak is even louder. At least it seems that way, anyways.

>>374597264
>not having the meme hit ticks on

>>374596272
>>374597264
Looks like the ol' Hazzard boys are at it again.

>>374615108
Yeah, I've heard. It's kind of difficult to discern when like 100 or so players are having a lead orgy in front of you and behind you. No one focuses.

I like it, its mindless fun.

>>374615273
games arent meant to be mindless, theyre meant to engage you

Honestly, back when the game was thriving and actually had those massive servers filled with 1200+ people, it was one of the most enjoyable vidya experiences I'd had.

A lot of really great story moments came out of it, and I hope that, if not these developers then someone takes another crack at this kind of game.

Just not fun.
Shooting feels like a chore after a while.
I always lagged even with an incredible connection and good PC.

I've had an incredible session when it first came out, and I chased that feeling for weeks but could never get into another battle like that. Uninstalled years ago and never looked back.

>>374602992
It's great when they incorporate all the more mundane aspects of warfare like PS1 did with having to escort resources to outpost to keep them well supplied. They fucked up though by throwing that all out the window.

>>374615719
Theres a market for it and if someone develops this right everyone from the Planetside2 playerbase would dip the fuck out and go play the superior MMOFPS.

Don't even try to prove me wrong.

>>374615867
Oh, definitely, there's no doubting that.
I don't think there's a worry about there being no market, I think the reason no one else is trying it is because I'd imagine games like Planetside are ridiculously hard to balance. I mean let's be real here, not even the first Planetside got balance right.

>>374616094
I'd even take one from a fucking indie dev at this point. Just please. A better alternative.

>>374615719
The first thing they should do is get the technical accessibility down. So long PS2 went ignored by a bunch of people I knew because the game ran like ass. And it still does. Its minimum system requirements are way too high and performance is inconsistent as fuck across hardware (my mediocre PC that I haven't updated since 2012 runs PS2 quite well at medium settings, but guys with better rigs seem to have issues).

I would not care if the game looked like the original PS1 or some blobby Unity Engine shit like Unturned. If toasters could run it, it would automatically net a much larger user base.

>keep accidentally activating Panther Within in combat
Kamiya, I don't want to be mean, I love you, but why the fuck is sprinting mapped to "dodge twice"?

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>>374616812

>>374616812
There's nothing wrong with turning on Panther Within during combat.
Panther has its own enhanced attack when you melee out of it, and you can still maintain your combo with Dodge Offset even when you go Panther.

Also wrong thread, anon.

>>374611779
>complaining about 1v1 balance in a game where you're being shot at by at least half a dozen niggers in any legitimate fight

>>374611356
>shiny new gun comes out
>save up credits or just shell out some dollars to buy it.
>It's pretty good actually!
>A couple weeks later, gets nerfed into ground
>Soon a new gun comes out.
>Get that one. It's pretty good.jpg
>Gets nerfed into the ground.

EVERY FUCKING TIME!
FUCK YOU JOHN SMEDLEY!
YOU PIECE OF FUCKING SHIT!

>>374615719
Honestly after trying it out early on it just made me miss playing MAG on the PS3.

>>374596261
This cracked me up,thanks for this anon.
-sent from my Samsung Galaxy s8

>>374594727
Everything planetside 1 did right this game did mediocre.

Everything planetside 1 did bad this game did the opposite but in a bad way, for example:
>pace of planetside 1 was believed to be too slow
>decided to make planetside 2 a clusterfuck die/respawn/die/respawn cod clone.

>maps in PS1 were sparse with structures (but had large environments
>maps in PS2 have some facility or base within 50 meters of each other and therefore no pure forest or ecosystems
also overall map geography was better in planetside 1

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>>374602640
um sorry sweetie, but we here at r/planetside don't entertain fake problems

>>374617772
john smedley has been gone for years

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>>374620106
>doesn't know much about the game to articulate it well
now I'm getting mad

>>374620152
I played it during his reign of terror.

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>>374597264
Nothing makes me happier than seeing some Liberator tryhards die

You guys wanna see assblasted redditors?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/comments/66sad3/planetside_2_review_april_21_2017_by_mandalore/
Try to imagine being whales this big

>>374620538
These are sub humans

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>>374620538
>Just an attempt to get buzzcut in last half of a fake review video, after warming up people echoing standard set of complaints...probably mostly being fed opinions and not his own stuff. Doesn't exactly sound like a 4yr, 4x BR100 type vet
>you need to play for four years and have 4 BR100 characters to have a worthy opinion
no wonder they get ignored, I wonder if stew360 still posts

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>>374595671
>>374603464
I've known a particular player studio artist for years before PS2 released, and said player studio artist was good enough, and knew T-Ray well enough that T-Ray gave him a job offer to work at at SOE, though he declined because he'd have to cross half an ocean and move to San Diego to get there.

Anyway, he's told me that T-Ray made an effort to resist adding shit like skull masks, but management forced his hand because they decided it sold better.

Some evidence of this is the quality of player studio submissions from when T-Ray arbitrated them, compared to Bill Yeatts who replaced him. T-Ray only allowed good quality player studio stuff through, and even most of those submissions he'd heavily critique and give suggestions on how to improve them before he'd approve anything. Just about every single helmet that T-Ray ever accepted went through at least 3 or 4 iterations before he was happy with it. Pic related, the sort of critique that T-Ray liked to give.

Bill Yeatts clearly never gave anywhere near as much of a fuck. Hell, I don't think he's ever even posted on the player studio forum, by comparison T-Ray had like 2k posts before he left.

Blame the retarded decision to make the game F2P for its aesthetic, it's not entirely the fault of the public-facing employees like T-Ray. There's only so much they can do.

tl;dr T-Ray dindu nuffin

>>374621439
MUH
BERETS

>>374621541
I was more mad about toilet horns

>>374603632

So what you're saying is that Planetside 1 had combat coziness?

>>374620538
That review is god tier.

>>374595558

>p2w

kek no

just unbalanced. The Gauss SAW was always the best gun for CQB-Long range and there was no point in using any other gun other than snipers for Long range.

>he thinks implants ruin the purpose of classes
Sitting still for 8 seconds to stealth does not replace the infiltrators usefulness. Regeneration after an amount of time out of combat doesn't replace medics. Ammo printer doesn't compare to an actual ammo pack. PS2 is shit but jesus fuck man, why make such a dumb ass claim? The rest of its good though.

>>374625683
>Sitting still for 8 seconds to stealth does not replace the infiltrators usefulness.

No it just makes infils objectively more useless. An HA can crouch in a corner with a shotgun, giving it the infil ambush power with a fuckload more health and dps. the others depend on the level they're upgraded to
I also think this is just the beginning

>>374603507

that plus the 1.5x ADS strafe speed compared to everyone else.

But I use to main NC and honestly the Godsaw is all I need to make VS cry.

NC>Best guns
VS>OP, zerg
TR>Better organization

on Briggs, at least.

>>374625572
>gauss saw
>overpowered
lol, is this bait?

>>374602992
That's kinda the problem, PS2 isn't a war.

There are no front lines, there are no supply lines, it's just one big rolling skirmish.

For as much as they hyped up the 3-way battles, they were an extreme rarity in the original Planetside. Here, it's a constant, and since there are only (now) 4 continents, there is no longer game than the current fight.

That was their big fuck-up. Dropping the Intercontinental lattice and HQ islands. (Well, that and F2P, meaning they couldn't -really- do shit about cheaters, and had to release constant new weapons and skins.)
But, by making everything an endless 3-way skirmish, they actually reduced the lifespan of the game.

That's before we even get into all the modern FPS bullshit they put into an MMO, because apparently Devs these days are just that stupid. (Single person MBTs, making the Liberator a gunship rather than a bomber, low fucking TTK...)
Shit that was just fucking retarded on release. (The Harasser. VS Mech-power.)

I really wanted it to be great too... but it was just a clusterfuck of shit.

>>374611356

>"b-b-b-b-but all the starter guns are the best!"

they are..... it's not p2w it's p2content

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>>374626309

>fuck all recoil
>fuck all spread
>can outsnipe snipers with it
>3 shot kill within 10m
>4 shot out to 30m
>100 round magazine
>adrenaline shield+medpens
>mfw

>>374594918
This but you forgot...
They keep adding garbage to the game, and never fixing the gameruining bugs. Its sickening. All of the money goes into making other games now anyway so you can't even blame the lack of profits from it as the reason either.

>>374610908
Player balance was server by server, in that regard PS2 actually has something in common with the first game.

You're absolutely right about the faction balance being total shit though. It was at it's most apparent specifically ON a player balanced server.

If given even numbers the GNFOS faction is completely unstoppable if NC and TR don't agree to team up on some key areas.

Live free in the NC. Bonus check's in the mail.

>>374625683
>be HA
>equip medkits aka shitter sticks
what's a medic lmao

>>374594727
I feel like myself and people like me are to blame. It looks like fun but I just never got around to trying it.

>>374612875
Racism?

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Remember when they said the MCG design was suppose to be a placeholder but then the devs can't into model animation?

>>374594727
because terran republic steamrolls every time

>>374627242
Worse.
They claimed it was because if it was underslung TR couldn't use cover so it was a balance reason

>>374594727
Because all the factions feel the same
Because T-Ray needed to add ANOTHER skullmask
Because Higby got bullied by the Lord of Lies

>>374626624
>fuck all recoil
>fuck all spread
????? Did you ever use the gun? It's fucking impossible to control.

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>>374612875
>>374594727

TR were scum of the highest level in PS2 and finally solidified them as the biggest bitches ever.

>Cry about warp gates
>Cry about scat maxes
>Cry about ESF, OH WAIT WE'RE RETARDED
>Cry about Hex system

I will never forget watching NC cuck TR every fucking night during Alpha and early beta. I will never fucking forget them attempting typical PS1-tier tactics or using /suicide in other factions to shut down Gal runs. I will never not laugh that they had buzzcut butthole and were literally the edgemancer faction. The icing on the shit sundae that is TR is when they got rid of our beloved auraxium because they spent every day on the fucking crowned and proceeded to bawl when VS and NC rocket-podded them.


TR are the loudest faggots.

Let's be honest, it would have failed no matter what audience it tried to appeal to. PS1 lasting as long as it did was a fluke.

>>374627242

But that BBBBBRRRRRRRTTTTTT tho

>>374612875
>Remember that month during early PS2 everyone was TR?
How early we talking? I do remember that week in which the Fourth-Faction jumped over to TR for the Prowler buff which only lasted about a week, and then jumped back to VS when it was nerfed again.

>Do you remember the reason why?
That supercharged Prowler Anchor with supersonic projectiles was good for siege farming at 500m, creating permanent stalemates and not much else, definitely not for making a push. All I remember from it was a lot of Prowlers set up at Ti Alloys, bombarding The Crown, and firing down Quartz Ridge Camp when it used to be a big open valley.

>>374627141
As someone who was late to the game on PS1, but played a good amount of it anyways, I was jazzed as fuck for PS2. Let me outline some things for ya:

>Get invited to outfit that actively worked with the game devs, sometimes even Higby
>Shit is professional as fuck while at the same time not being arrogant and overly demanding of people, basically the best kind of outfit you could join in PS2 at the time
>Get thoroughly divested into various roles that I enjoyed and the outfit encouraged me on
>Constantly log in and enjoy myself
>Crown fights back when they were good
>Wars for Amerish back when they were good
>start spending money on game for 'muh cosmetics'
>things are alright for awhile, then the cracks start forming
>first, it's the NS weapons
>ok, this is gay, but whatever, this game is all about strategy execution and good communication
>devs slowly become less involved
>vehicle balance begins to change
>wtf? why? it wasn't that bad
>outfit adapts, because dammit, the battles are still fun for the most part
>vehicle balance becomes REALLY bad
>outfit loses half it's key players almost overnight
>more NS weapons added, one of them ridiculously overpowered, destroying faction uniqueness across the board on firearms once and for all
>cosmetics start becoming completely ridiculous
>holiday events get added, killing my outfit once and for all
>lose all interest in ever logging in again
>faction balance finally falls under the weight of constant player imbalance on ALL servers
>regret ever spending a dime
>finally delete it for good

You didn't miss out on much.

>>374628393
So it's now hopeless? No fun to be had?

>>374629345
Exactly

>>374629345
There's about the same amount of fun to be had as before, it just wears off quicker, and you realize how hollow that fun was.

>>374629809
>>374629968
Goddamnit. All I wanted to do was pilot shit around. Even if it was dropping off troops into warzones or going all stealth and shit and sneaking a bunch of people into a base to take it (something I imagine you could do as I remember playing PS1 with a friend years ago and he could take entire undefended bases alone with some hack skill).

>>374594727
Because it was made by...Daybreak Games. Played Everquest when it first came out. Sad to see a company just scrounging in the past and just favoring the casual fanbase with barely any interesting updates to their games or expansions.

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Remember the roadmap?

>>374630096
Galaxy drops were pretty pointless the entire life-time of PS2.

>>374630434
It was a web of LIES

>>374630598
Really? I thought they'd be good for being mobile.

What about that covert takeover shit?

>>374630598
galaxy drops are what win alerts, son

>>374594727
>IN THE FAR FUTURE OF AN ALIEN BATTLE FIELD WITH LITERAL SPACE SHIPS AS AIR SUPPORT, BASIC VEHICLE FEATURES ADDED ON EARTH IN THE 1900S DO NOT EXIST

no, i won't grind for 10 hours to unlock a fucking ejection seat you stupid piece of shit.

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>>374631132
You are and expendable, immortal soldier. Ejection seats are a privilege for someone as lowly as you.

>>374631698
>>374631132
>not using the new "Safe Fall" ability

>>374631132
Wasn't the "story" of Planetside that every soldier killed just respawns in one of the respawn booths?

>>374632129
>bunch of ships go through a wormhole to a new galaxy/system/whatever
>shit goes bad and wormhole collapses
>realize the planet they've reached is covered with Ayy Lmao's tech
>everything goes tits up, everyone splits into 3 factions
>alien-lovers, freedum-lovers, government-lovers
>ayy's have respawn-tech that everyone adopts and abuses the fuck out of
>factions now locked in literal infinite war completely unable to gain ground of meaning because everyone can just respawn and murder eachother all over again

>>374632129
They found the warpgates and a bunch of alient technology, While studying them, some chucklefuck just walks right on in, gets killed and surprise he comes back. Then they get their top scientists to make people and items and shit to respawn.

It consumes nanite energy to do so when you're not in the warpgate which is why in the first game, ANTs drew Nanite Energy from gates and transported them to bases, but the second game sure as fuck doesn't have any such relevant energy mechanic.

>have to play all day, every day for a week just to buy a basic weapon without spending actual money.

Yeah, fuck that.

>>374632882
>all day every day for a week

Not even close. At launch, absolutely, but now, certs basically rain from the sky if you play frequently.

Kills are about 150~ exp with no subs or boosts, and 1-2 kills is about 1 cert. Weapons cost 1000 certs. On average, you should be doing about 100 certs every 2-2.5 hours, easily, if you're playing infantry in 24v24+ fights.

It does take work, but nowhere NEAR the amount of work it used to take.

On top of that, only absolute madmen buy guns with certs on any regular basis; because of the achievement/unlock system and for sheer familiarity, you should be killing the full 1160 required people with each gun before buying a new one, meaning you'd have roughly 1400-1500+ certs per weapon usage anyways from rewards/ribbons/medals/dailies/kills.

So stop bitching.

>>374633259
Fucking this

>>374633259
OP asked why the game failed, not what they did to keep the dumb fucks playing.

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>>374599936
no he is quite known
on the russian chans

>>374602640
>Buzz saying he tries to avoid using redeploy as often as possible
Funny because my outfit hops in and out of fights constantly and that faggot seems to be wherever we go. Gotta give props to him because he manages to make himself look like a composed gentleman for the "interview" compared to the ranting shithead he manages to be in-game 100% of the time.

>>374635032
He spreads his outfit across 2-3 territories only increasing them when he needs it
t. ex TE

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>>374594918
got 40 odd levels off spamming phoenix on NC with friends
Being able to 1 shot every class with a TV guided rocket was literally the most fun ever
>it was as fast as your average mosquito/galaxy pilot
12 person kill off a loaded galaxy, the Vanu knew sorrow that day

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>naval warfare was going to be a thing
Thank you Smedley, i genuinely enjoyed walking around in the middle of nowhere all day

>>374635518
I thought that was supposed to fly

>>374594727
No win states makes the entire thing seem pointless. Holding a random base for an hour after a 2 hour push only to get a % bonus to some bullshit that doesn't matter, only to lose that base yourself an hour later because you moved on.

Without finality in battle there is no room for strategy. It is an infinite attrition of who will get burned out faster. It's like if you played Smash Bros with unlimited stock. What is the point?

That core principle is the heart of the issue. The lame art direction, poor sound design, boring weapons, poor animations, poor performance and lack of variety, the whole thing is pointless.

>>374635964
But you can capture continents right?

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>>374594727
The zerg rushes.

You could actually detect a horde coming by watching your ping start to rise.