is it that hard to prevent super obvious hacking?

No one legitimately cares about PvP. Not even the devs, it's just a fun side thing like fishing minigames in other RPGs.

>blatantly cheat in items, inf up, custom movesets
>not banned


>play legitimately farming each upgrade and ng+into for respects and slab like a good boy
>CAUTION: WE HAVE DETECTED INVALID DATA ON YOUR ACCOUNT

>>373391871
this, souls "PvP" is trash, it was meant as a way to fuck over players who wanted easy mode summons. Except they forgot this in DaS3 and made invasions impossible with 4v1 and seed so there is no reason to invade, at least you can do cancer builds on the church battle in TRC now

You could play on PS4.

>>373391778
To be fair, this cunt deserved it for trying to ruin the fight club. There can be fun/interesting hackers at least

>>373392936
the cunt is me and this was after three rounds of him cursing me for fun.

imagine a dark souls pvp that wasn't laggy shit

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>>373391778
This is the reason why I play online games on Consoles. PC has always had shit anticheat detection. How the fuck is it even allowed? I wish steam would have games be verified every time they launch so that the second a mod or hacked file is detected within the game it just puts you in offline mode or warns you will lose the game if you do shit like this

>>373393174
Consoles have more hackers and cheaters than pc

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>>373393260

>>373393260
There was a time I would've argued that, but considering I cant even get summoned in PS3 DS1 anymore without infinite hp/poise/weight/etc. faggots everywhere I'm starting to agree

>>373392936
how do you ruin a fight club by attacking someone who has infinite health

they could stop hackers but people cry botnet if they did

I mean if I was a big enough faggot to run fight clubs in the worst souls game, Id have the wherewithal to cheat in infinite health to stop even bigger faggots from killing the host.

>>373391778
Is it hard to release finished games?

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>>373393260

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>>373391778
>is it that hard to prevent super obvious hacking?

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>DarkSoulsIII
that's what you get for buying shit games

>>373393260
>this PCbro delusion

>>373392410
>invade some faggot
>he instaspams acid jars breaking all my shit
>report him because I'm super pissed

>later on some faggot invades me
>he drops something
>broadsword +12
>what the shit
>DaSII weapons don't go past +10
>drop it
>couple days latter FROM bans me
>can no longer engage in jolly cooperation

Defend this, FROMfags

>>373395549
>Picking up other player's items

slut

>>373392410
There is a github for DaS3 cheat tools that constantly mines wats to outsmart From's algorithm.

They should just pay for VAC and be done with it.

>>373392517
>this, souls "PvP" is trash
Nah, you just suck at it.

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>>373395336
Better than Bloodborne.

>>373391778
just looks like hes been harassed one too many times and decided to play enforcer over his fight club.

>>373396205
BB = Scholar > DS1 = DeS >> DS3

>>373395549
>picking up items from hackers
dont

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>>373396708
>Scholar > DS1

>>373396708
Well you got the BB = Scholar part right, but you seem to have mixed up the > and < signs.

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my favourite part of dark souls is unironically seeing all of the crazy ass shit people can do via cheating

>>373397101
>better build variety
>better music
>balanced pvp

>>373391778
>implying Fromsoft has ever been competent
>implying any jap dev has ever made competent multiplayer decisions in online games

Japs can't into internet, just look at the abhorrent shit Nintendo has done with their online services over the years.

>>373397156
DS3 is trash dude.

>>373397242
RE5 had good online co-op.

Typical """""""fight club""""""""" cancer

>>373397192
>The webm if that fucker spinning like a beyblade with the halberd
>the last guardian of asgard shitting lightning everywhere and then ascending into the heavans when he is done

10/10

>>373394932
>>373393174
>>373392551
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7431I9B2nss

Consider this your first step down the rabbit hole, and it goes really, really deep.

PCfags simply tend to point out cheaters because they know they exist. Consolekiddies couldn't spot a cheater if he was banging their mom because "there's no cheating on console".

>>373396708
>Scholar
So....... this is the power......... of BBtards......

>>373391778
I cheated for some souls so I didn't have to grind another 100 hours to play the DLC since FROM/Bandai removed Steam Cloud support like retards.

>>373397196
>better lore
>better level design
>better characters
>much better bosses
>better fashion
>better PvP
wew, lass.

>>373397364
You want to explain your post instead of typing like a cleft lip idiot?

>>373391778
>Interrupt a fight club
>BWAHHHHH HACKING

Why has no once called you out for being a fucking waste of space cunt yet?

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>>373397196
>music
>pvp

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>>373397401
I also agree that DS2 has all these things.

>>373397196
>>better music
Are you that Resident Evil composer?

>>373397429

>someone has a different opinion
>have to type like a retard

Something like that.

>>373397443
>MUH HONOR PLEASE HAVE SOME RESPECT
lol, the souls fanbase really got pathetic didn't it?

>>373397429
Theres.... no explaining..... the sheer power emanating..... from that post.............

>>373397479
That post was referring to DS1, obviously. It seems DS2 appeals to children with ADD.

>>373393260
I agree but only because the only multiplayer I play is MMOs with good moderators. Hackers on old Xbox preferred crashing the game rather than killing everyone though.

>>373397612
Sorry, it's hard to read posts when they're just memes.

>>373397553
it's not even about honor, it's about you ruining other people's fun

tfw no more The Calm One

>>373397681
Only if by memes you mean the truth.

>>373392936

Fight clubs aren't some sacred ground where disturbing it deserves hacks, you can bumrush him sure but using hacks because you don't like your little brand of fun getting disturbed is sad.

>>373391778

>invade in fight club spot, try to attack host. Host curses you.

On console they woulda teamed up on you anyway. Jumping a fight club is really no worse than hacking. You're just out to ruins someones day by trolling.

The invasion mechanic is shit honestly.

>>373397730
if they wanted fun in their safe spaces they could have used a password for fight clubs or did arenas instead. the guy in op is embered which means he was summoned there, and it's not exclusively a fight club zone so he attacked then the dumb pcbro had to cheat to kill him

>>373397327
whats this? a hack save?

>>373391778
git gud shitter

>souls pvp
hHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA oh god what a joke

>>373397985

Really doesn't matter. If you go to interrupt an obvious dueling scene then you're no better than a hacker. Morality is grey here.

>>373397959
Just because you don't like it doesn't make it as bad as cheating

>>373398109

It's not that simple. There is an argument to be made here that through "cheating" he is able to stop trolls which allows for more enjoyment from everyone than just the troll. It's beneficial from that point of view.

>>373398078
this is why dark souls died too many fucking babies who will turn on cheat engine if you dare interrupt their gay casual duels

>>373397401
>better lore
Explain. DS1 is an original idea, but I can't really say this bulletpoint is a viable argument because the sequel also has original lore that expands upon the first's.

>>better level design
Sure.

>>better characters
Same with the first bulletpoint. Each game has its own original interesting characters.

>>much better bosses
Honestly, the DS1 bosses are nothing but poisestacking DPS races.

>better fashion
It is a very very rare occurence to see anyone wearing anything that isn't some mashed setup of havels and some other set that doesn't even match with it. DS2 has a hundred more sets and has a bunch more variety in its armor pieces and color schemes.

>better PvP
backstabbing intensifies

>>373392936
fight clubs are gay as fuck, keep it limited to signatures. it's idiotic to take dark souls pvp so seriously

>>373398160

That's barely a problem in invasions. If you invade pontiff at meta fight club Slvl for the sole purpose of trolling then you get what you get. I don't have problems invading elsewhere or at varied levels. It's not an issue honestly.

>>373398159
>>373398160
>w-w-w-wah i didn't invite you *turns on infinite health* haha got you now fucking troll *downpoints*
sad

>>373398246

I don't know what you're talking about but in the OP you can clearly see dueling going down and the invader is obviously a troll.

>>373397327
wats dis

>>373398003
>>373398335
This one is a regular 100% save. But as I said, that's the first step. Then there's hack saves, then there's save editors, then there's realtime network manipulation... and it still goes deeper.

If there's a way, cheaters will exploit it, and a game poorly coded like a Souls game certainly offers a lot of ways.

>>373398208
>>373397896
>get summoned to fight club
>people having fun PvPing
>decide to kill the host because le epic trole xd
>get thoroughly fucked
>WOW FROM THIS IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM

For some reason I feel less than sympathetic.

>>373398191
>Honestly, the DS1 bosses are nothing but poisestacking DPS races.
What the fuck? This is why poise shouldn't exist. These people tanked through the game and now shitpost endlessly.

>>373398286
If you can't even beat one measly invader as a host without cheat engine shouldn't host fight clubs tbbh

>>373391778
did they ever fix not being able to make a 6 man lobby here after you beat Aldrich?

>>373398506
he probably invaded.

>>373398506
>>get thoroughly fucked
You're being disingenuous. When you say it like that it makes it sound like he got killed fairly.
>someone cheats because he dislikes you ruining his fun and kills you
would make more sense.

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>>373398506
>it's okay if people cheat as long as they behave like gentlemen and follow an arbitrary set of rules

>>373398460
so a new save with everything unlocked? like items and weapons?

>>373397327
Is this supposed to show the class that there are more cheaters on console? Because it doesn't, you posted a PC hack. Retard

>>373398557

Has nothing to do with beating them. The CE tools make it so you don't even have to engage them. Trolls are only there as a distraction and interrupting an obvious fight club is considered trolling. By using cheats hes able to keep the fight club going without letting some kid feel better by annoying people. It's a stronger argument than "well trolling is in the game so don't cheat", it's an argument to make but i can't imagine anyone is going to have much sympathy for it.

>>373391778
Counter hacks, get infinite i-frames, curse immunity, gravity disabled, a curse weapon. Highly possible they don't have curse immunity like you do. If they have, you can do nothing to them and they not to you. They can only disconnect you manually. This means you have a short time window in which you can use a game crashing spell. If the hacker is in your world, you can disconnect him or even outright block all P2P connection which results in him still being connected but he can't do shit (not even crash your game).

>>373398569
Why would they make this place the only place that does that in the whole game?

>>373398657
Yup. And then there are ones with hacked items.

>>373398660
My bad, here's another: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcb_t9Hhzsw

>>373398648
>People are having fun
>I want to ruin it for no reason
>but I can't because the guy who wasn't interacting with anyone was using CE so other peoples time wouldn't be wasted
>so I'm the victim here

Guess you can't upload your epic griefing compilation to youtube now, you comedy genius

>>373398824
I don't know, I played quite a bit on launch last year and that was the hotspot for large lobbies, the "pvp hub" if you want to call it that. Then I decided to continue the game and never came across another spot like that.

>>373398674
By embering, you explicitly agree to the possibility of being invaded. If you're too much of a bitch to survive a gank attempt while surrounded by an army of people who will defend you so they can keep fighting, then you should either play offline or get summoned instead of being the summoner and let someone who isn't a total faggot run things.

>>373391778
>retard gets summoned/invades
>sees it's a fightclub
>immediately goes after the host to ruin everyones fun
>gets fucked
>comes crying to /v/
Serves you right.

>>373398931
It's pretty dead now, arenas made it mostly irrelevant since that's what all the tryhards wanted anyways

I wish you Souls idiots would stop calling it a fight club...Marinating a seat with your ass sweat is not what the author had in mind.

>>373398830
You're taking this video out of its context anon: there are cheaters, and no one likes cheaters, not even cheaters like to get outcheated.

This specific video doesn't justify cheating, there are many other situations where people get invaded and killed without any possible escape.

So try to defend that: I was trying to have fun, and I got invaded, which is fun, but the game was rigged and I stood no chance against the cheater, who ruined my fun for no reason and wastes my time, so obviously I'm not a victim and I deserved it for letting myself get invaded, and cheaters aren't to blame.

Now please fuck off.

>>373398981
>By embering, you explicitly agree to the possibility of being invaded.

No problem.

>If you're too much of a bitch to survive a gank attempt while surrounded by an army of people who will defend you so they can keep fighting, then you should either play offline or get summoned instead of being the summoner and let someone who isn't a total faggot run things.

Here's that argument I was talking about. "Trolling is allowed by the game so you should deal with it". Yes, it is implicitly but by using tools players are able to stop malicious trolling for improved experience. The people in OP are clearly engaged in an activity, it doesn't matter that the game traditionally allows this behavior but he was prevented from disrupting it, you're not going to find sympathy from many people saying that they should let you troll them. I'm positive people who do this know what they are doing, the only one upset is the troll.

It's a grey area for both morally but I'm going to side with the cheater in this one. He has more reason to cheat than a troll does to troll.

>>373399132
Neither was developing a metagame around this afterthought mechanic.

>>373399195
I'm sorry your ebin fun meme video will be delayed.

>>373399195
>You're taking this video out of its context anon: there are cheaters, and no one likes cheaters, not even cheaters like to get outcheated.


The video is a cheater stopping an obvious troll.

>This specific video doesn't justify cheating, there are many other situations where people get invaded and killed without any possible escape.

Cheating is a grey area in this case of OP. Invading with cheats is definitely trolling on steroids and the host in OP was not doing that.

>So try to defend that: I was trying to have fun, and I got invaded, which is fun

Nobody will because it's a shift in goalposts. In this new circumstance cheating is being used maliciously.

>>373398506

>Anyone that disturbs my own arbitrary definitions of fun deserve hacks

I bet you complain when you invade people and they have trainers on too.

>>373399075

>it's not okay to play the game the way it was meant to be played because muh honorube dueru
>it's okay to cheat and insta-curse people that don't hold the same values as me though xddd

You're the reason why the souls games went to shit after the first one.

>>373399195
>you're taking this video out of context
>I was invaded by a cheater once, therefore it's always completely unjustifiable

I don't think you know what context means. So, this guy who was cheating so this guy couldn't ruin numerous people's fun game for no reason is bad because you were in a completely different situation with completely different people doing something completely different.

Good work.

>>373399362
Yet I'm not the one crying about muh failed troll attempt.

>>373399307
>The video is a cheater stopping an obvious troll.
Souls games are all about trolling in case you didn't realize.

>>373399339
>I bet you complain when you invade people and they have trainers on too.
Invading someone whose cheating and getting kicked out of a game by host because he wanted to be a super hilarious edgelord are two different things, and if you're too dumb to get that then I pity the people who have to take care of you.

>>373399445
Well the host trolled the troll pretty hard.

>>373393174
>>373395412

>turn on my TV years back to play some CoD: WaW online
>game had only been out for a little over a year at this point
>load into game
>entire server is full of people aimbotting, flying around the map and spamming links to their youtube channel in text chat which I didn't even know existed on the console version but they managed to hack it to make it work anyway

That's not even mentioning all the people who mysteriously had max prestige on release day. Consoles are fucking full of hackers

>>373399307
>In this new circumstance cheating is being used maliciously.
Because there are non-malicious ways to cheat? Anon please, read your posts before sending them.

>>373399445
Ah, hello fellow /r/games browser, I see you got into the series via DS2 as well :)

>>373399307

>constantly invade the same fight club host because he spams the middle finger
>decide to use in-game mechanics to take him down like I'm supposed to as an invader and get my reward
>LMAO !!!CURSED!!! XD

You're the fucking cancer.

>>373399380
That still doesn't justify cheating anon.

>>373399523
Cry me a river.

>>373399401

>cheaters in videogames ruin the fun and make people bitch about them

Woooooooow, who would have thought??????

>>373399523
why not just participate in the fight club?

>>373399445

>Souls games are all about trolling in case you didn't realize.

"No"

Invading is hostile, and it can be frustrating. But when you are at a point where you sit down every day and look forward to harassing people and getting salt then you are cancer. Invasions are difficult to pull off traditionally and rightfully so but there is no excuse to ever believe you have a right to trolling someone, thats a serious personal problem.

>>373399470
He would if he had played by the rules. In this case, he simply cheated, the reason is irrelevant.

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>>373397553
>>373397896

>don't like honor
>complain about cheaters

Get fucked faggots

>>373399468

No it ain't, you just don't like the idea of the guy invading a fight club and think he deserves anything that gets thrown at him.

>>373399554
>did it explicitly so a 12 year old wouldn't ruin the fun a bunch of people were having
Sounds justified to me

>>373399496

>Because there are non-malicious ways to cheat? Anon please, read your posts before sending them.

Oh yes, absolutely. Do you watch any souls content creators? They all use cheat engine.

Did you watch OPs webm?

Have you ever used a glitch to duplicate items in any souls game?

>>373399572
But he wasn't ruining anybody's fun, judging by the video.
He was hosting a fight club.
OP wanted to be a meme edgelord so good tryhard and shut it down, ruining it for everybody else. Instead he got fucked hard enough to start a pity thread.
It's a win all around.

>>373399556

>lmao cry more xDDD

You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

>>373399593
>harassing people
Hello John Walker Flynt.

>>373399630
He's embered, that means he was summoned, he didn't invade. He put down a sign for duels and tried to be le epic trole master and got a curse shoved up his ass for it. Deal with it, crybaby.

>>373399523

I think you need to rewatch OPs webm.

You can clearly see an activity going on and the invader decided to instead troll everyone. It's obvious you aren't getting much sympathy for your point of view to let people allow themselves to get trolled.

>>373399667
>Do you watch any souls content creators?
Is this a serious question, or is it just rhetorical in order to expose that your cancer is in terminal stage?

>>373399576

Because I invade to farm covenant items and hunt down hosts, not for honorable duels.

Killing the host of the fight club is made possible with the use of in-game mechanics, insta-cursing players is made possible by cheating. End of fucking story.

>>373399657
>the host activated his cheats in a blink so he could defend himself, otherwise he would have never cheated
>cheating in online games is okay btw

Ok?

>Another episode of PC ruining everything

>>373399685

That's all this boils down to. OP can't troll a fight club and they are upset about it.

>>373391778
ha, faggot , thats what you get for using a queer ass shield

>>373399779
> I invade to farm covenant items and hunt down hosts
Why the fuck would you ever do this in Irithyll, the designated dueling area?

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>>373393260
>this is what PCfats actually believe

>>373399812

>play a pvp game
>but i don't wanna pvp with you and play by the rules i want to be le fight club host xD
>get cursed lmao xD

>>373399812
more like you are upset people call you out for being a crybaby cheater. Go ahead and cheat so you can fulfil your sick dark power fantasy of your self insert toon f*cking up those nasty trolls trying to ruin your innocent fun

>>373399869
>gank city is only for designated dueling so what if it has it's own invader covenant!

>>373399809
I don't get it, what's your problem here? The cheating guy wasn't engaging in combat or invading your game. You had to go out of your way to try to fight him. Not just that, when you're a phantom you don't lose anything when you die.

His cheating literally stopped someone from ruining people's fun without actually doing anything to that someone. If you're that butthurt about your serious business video games then that sucks.

>>373399869

>this area is arbitrarily chosen by the community as a designated dueling area so whoever tries to invade and play by the rules deserves to be cheated to death

just stop

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>>373399897
>Go ahead and cheat so you can fulfil your sick dark power fantasy of your self insert toon f*cking up those nasty trolls trying to ruin your innocent fun
Holy shit dude, you have problems.
Like, autism problems

>>373399764
>Is this a serious question, or is it just rhetorical in order to expose that your cancer is in terminal stage?

Legitmate. Also you omitted from addressing the rest of my post.

Every souls content creator i've seen has used a glitch or cheat of some kind. These are all examples of non malicious cheating. Have you every duped an item? Have you watched a video where testing was done with cheat engine?

Vaati uses free-cam.

I have edited the game so it runs at 3440x1440

Do you have a problem with these things? If you do I can't imagine anyone will understand you.

>>373399954
>invade
the guy in the OP was summoned, he's still embered

>>373399471
Yeah pretty much this. My girlfriends stepbrother once showed me his hacking skills. You literally just download a program onto a usb, plug it into the console and you can open a user friendly cheat menu. He was like 11 at the time, so even children can cheat on consoles.

I think it is arguably harder to do that kind of shit on pc.

>>373399880
Happened in last gen, will happen again as soon as the floodgates open.

>>373399951

By that logic, you can argue that any other guy getting invaded randomly that doesn't want to PvP would be right to cheat against the invader.

>every single Souls thread made for the last several years has been nothing but complete nonstop incessant shitposting and whining about inane shit
really boggin my noggin

>>373399885

I don't know what you're talking about.

>>373399897

Nobody is going to have much sympathy for you. I understand what you're saying but if you invade at pontiff you know what you're doing. You're trolling and I find in this case the host is justified. You should probably take your own advice and invade elsewhere.

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I AM THE BEST SOULS FAG EVEREEEEE

>>373400076
What the fuck? Are they twins or something?

>>373399880
Daily reminder consoles have no anticheat and players have to be investigated and banned manually

>>373400076
they seriously look like brother and sister.

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>never run into a cheater in DaS3 only in DaS1 on PC

>>373400074

>cheating is justified
>being a dick that is still playing by the rules in a series that has been encouraging doing so since the first game is a no-no

I want leddit to go.

>>373393337
>>373394791
>>373395412
>>373399880
t. Dummies who think Macs don't get viruses

>He wanted to troll so cheating is ok now

Did this turn into reddit already with the "muh Honor"? Oh, wait even reddit isn't this retarded.

Counter cheats, if you cheat I do too and will fuck you up.

>>373400149
>>373400110

Pretty sure it's edited

>>373400196
>>373400252

The point is that the majority of people don't like others being dicks like this in this situation (attacking the host of a fight club), so they're okay with the host using cheats in this situation to uphold the fight club.

>>373400047
Well no. Invasions are based around killing the host who didn't volunteer for that. Dueling with summon signs isn't.

Either way, it's not a big deal. It's shitty to cheat in invasions, but when you show up in someone else's game without their permission you can't expect them to be happy about it. It's a video game where if the other person cheats and wins you don't actually lose anything, so it's hard to give a fuck.

>>373400196

Again.

Have you ever duplicated an item?

Have you ever watched souls content creators?

Cheating has it's uses. And subverting trolls while grey is easy to sympathize with. You're going to struggle to make people buy that they shouldn't cheat and get trolled instead, you will find opposition to that opinion everywhere you go. I am being reasonable and explaining that i understand what you're saying, but trolling has a very weak argument in OPs case and I think that's just karma, maybe you shouldn't troll?

>>373400303
And that's a fine double moral they got there, I'm glad I know how to deal with such faggots

>>373400076
thats one ugly ass bitch, annoying as all fuck too.

>people actually defending someone using cheat engine

What the fuck? There are two scenarios here-
The host got invaded. Invader didn't want to BC out because he didn't want to be penalized for it, so he decided to go get his tongue and leave.

The red got summoned. Red decided to kill the host. This is a perfectly fine thing to do, according to the terms of service. It's a bit of a dick move, but so is tricking the host into attacking quest NPCs, or backstabbing the host as a mad phantom. All of these are facilitated by the game.

The host using Cheat Engine however, isn't.

>>373400252
Oh, everyone watch out, the video game tough guy is here. You better not play the video game in a way he doesn't like or he will mess you up. This is serious business.

>>373400396
Stop being retarded, this is about cheating in multiplayer, nobody cares what they do offline

>>373400076
Best face swap ever.

>>373400303

Too bad, because being a dick in this situation is still playing by the rules of the game. Cheating isn't, trying to support this behavior only hurts the game.

If you're scared of an invader going against you, get some bodyguards or the duelists themselves to defend you.

>>373393260
PS4 Souls is clean and has nothing comparable to CE, pretty sure Xbone doesn't either. PC Souls on the other hand is a dirty aids needle in comparison.

>>373400419
>according to the terms of service
This is some next level autism.

>>373400482
It doesn't matter that it's not allowed, it matters that people are okay with it.

I once invaded a host hosting a fight club.
I didn't feel like doing that so I pointed at the host then pointed down at the arena. He accepted, I killed him, the other invaders got up and applauded.
That was a fun invasion.

>>373400434
So if someone cheats I'm not allowed to do the same? Cheating is not a playstyle ffs. The only counter to cheating sadly is cheating.

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>use CE to make a new character
>don't even do anything but infinite i-frames to sprint through the game and grab the gear I want to use
>play online a bit without CE of course
>banned

>meanwhile hackers I noted before are still running around while I've had to switch steam accounts

What am I missing here?

>>373391778
Souls pvp has always had super obvious hacking.
>back in darkroot garden having to lure hackers down under the bridge so you could knock them off
This was on xbox360 before the PC port even.

>>373400419
He got summoned to duel, you can tell because of the ember. Instead of joining in the duel, he thought it would be hilarious to ruin the game for several people for no reason. In his attempt to do this, he got kicked from the game by the host. He didn't lose anything, because he was a phantom.

If you seriously have this much of a problem with this scenario, you genuinely must be on the spectrum.

>>373396142
It is, you retard.I have 500 hours on each game.The whole pvp scenario is revoling in between cheesing your opponent with op weapons and reactively punishing them

>>373400396

>cheating against people that go against my arbitrary code of behavior is fine
>it's karma, maybe you shouldn't play the game the way I don't want you to play? :)

You're such a massive faggot that I'm starting to think you're just baiting.

>>373400462

I cheat online. I make the game run in 3440x1440. Plenty of non-malicious cheats even online.

This dichotomy you want to create never existed. Cheating is beneficial depending on its use online or not.

>>373393260
(You)

>>373400530
And these people are cancer and deserve to be cheated upon, give them the invalid data cheat for all I care.

>>373400530

Faggots that ruin the game are okay with it. The developers aren't, but they fucking suck at making anti-cheating measures so that's the sole reason why this behavior is getting a pass.

>>373400494
If they didn't ban you for cheats, I wouldn't bring it up. It's a part of that thing you have to mash the A button through at the title screen; it's their house and their rules.

I see now that the invader is embered, which makes the situation fall into the latter scenario. It still doesn't justify the host using actual cheats.

>>373400595
Okay guy, ruin these people's fun because them doing it in a way you disapprove of but doesn't actually hurt you in any way is a real injustice. Ask for backup from the cyber police, you never know what could happen.

>>373400690

Play GTA online for a bit.

There are a ton of hackers on console.

>>373400303
>the majority of people
That's just not true.

>>373400672

>"cheating" to change the resolution is the same as cheating to insta-kill others in multiplayer

Stop posting.

>>373400719
>Faggots that ruin the game are okay with it
Is it so hard to comprehend that some people are okay with cheating only in certain situations?

>>373399970
Well then I don't waste my time with e-celebs, I just play games. And as such, I don't cheat in online games

That's what people that actually penjoy playing video games usually do.

>>373398527
>people uses game mechanics to beat the game
>WOW WHAT THE FUCK
Shocker

>>373400672
So changing the resolution and cursing players is the same to you? Or what are you trying to say? 'Cause you don't do a good job bringing your point across.

>>373400616
I loved killing 360 hackers, they were literally all terrible at the game and would allow themselves to get baited off cliffs. or you could bleed them to death since they didn't have infinite health, just like 60k hp. they also didn't have teleporting instant curse shit though so they weren't nearly as obnoxious or prevalent. was always fun killing them then sending messages berating them

I miss xbox live sometimes

>>373400781
Wow thanks, guess I was wrong after all

>>373400494
I think by that, he wanted to refer to the only authority there is in this game, while others are making up their own concepts, such as a "fight club", and act like people are supposed to know those non-written rules.

>>373400663

>cheating against people that go against my arbitrary code of behavior is fine.

It's not fine, it's grey. But the sympathy is going to go to the hacker here. Just how it is.

>it's karma, maybe you shouldn't play the game the way I don't want you to play? :)

You can troll, but you are the reason that guy was hacking in the first place so that's definitely karma. There is no reason to troll a fight club. Want a fight? just wait and duel, you gain more doing this. What you gain by trolling is what? Satisfaction for your complex?

>>373400734

Maybe my fun is going into fight clubs and ruining them. That doesn't matter because there's no rule set by the developers that doesn't allow me to do so. The opposite applies to cheating, though.

>>373400787
>>373400818


>Stop posting.

Changing goal-posts again. I proved where cheating has it's uses even online. I've stated numerous times that the OPs webm is morally grey, why would you even pretend it's hard to sympathize with a troll? It's pretty obvious if you don't have a social disorder why people would find that disagreeable.

Please remember what you're arguing about and what you said.

>>373400926
>Maybe my fun is going into fight clubs and ruining them
And it's because of fags like you that you can't golf club people off the iron bridge anymore. I liked to do this in actual invasions, you cunt

>>373400860

The burden of proof falls on the one making the claim.

Why are people so adamant over this?
It's not like he's getting away with cheating because people ITT are complacent about it, it's just because he hasn't been detected.
No matter either you're for or against it, it doesn't change the fact that he would be banned if he was found out, and your opinion really doesn't matter and all these arguments are pointless.

>>373400884

>it's gray
>modifying the game which is something you agree not to do every time you start the game is gray

Just fucking stop.

>>373400734
Wow, you really are retarded beyond help, double morals and fictive rules everywhere.

They don't like how I play so they cheat against me. I don't like people getting unfair out of game advantages so I even the playing ground.

>INJUSTICE

>>373400884
I like being a Mad Phantom as much as the next guy but sometimes I feel remorse when I kill a host and make him summon two other phantoms again after embering. The host in the webm was totally justified here.

>>373400926
>Maybe my fun is going into fight clubs and ruining them.
Well then you're a cunt and I don't feel bad for you.
>That doesn't matter because there's no rule set by the developers that doesn't allow me to do so.
Yeah but you're still a cunt. You see my point? My point isn't that cheating is okay. My point is that if you're a cunt, I don't care if someone cheats to keep you from cunting the place up.

>>373400802
A glaring clutch, more like. Bet you losers all rushed to the Stone Knight set like your guides told you.

>>373400341
>It's a video game where if the other person cheats and wins you don't actually lose anything, so it's hard to give a fuck.

That is 99% of video games.

You heard him guys, cheat in any game because players don't lose anything. Shooters? Aimbots and noclip are okay because you respawn with same gear in 5 seconds. MMOs? Just respawn and grab your corpse. RTS/MOBA? It's fine just requeue.

I'm almost certain this guy is a scriptkiddy

>>373401079
Nice projection. How did that drake sword work out for you?

>>373401026

It's gray for sure. But so is trolling just because the game allows it.

The original purpose of that was to prove cheating has it's place even online. Cheating in an online game is not always malicious and in fact can add to the game in many ways.

>>373400961

>it's gray
>modifying the game which is something you agree not to do every time you start the game is gray

Just fucking stop.

It applies to you too

>>373401047
I'll add onto your post and say that invaders are deliberately trying to ruin someone's game by killing them and resetting their progress, so if they play with fire they shouldn't be surprised if they get burnt by a disgruntled host. Whatever happened to jolly cooperation?

>>373401037

I agree.

So what all the cheaters in this thread are saying is that OP should have insta cursed everybody then it would be ok?

>>373392517
>there is no reason to invade
git gud

>>373400961
>someone playing normally using the game's mechanics getting instakilled by an invincible cheater
>morally grey
You should seriously consider killing yourself tbqh

>>373400829
getting angry messages was the best, especially voice ones. THAT is when you knew you triggered someone.

easiest way to get Mound-Maker shit? I need the Warmth spell.

>>373401137

I'm going to keep using my widescreen mod. I will probably keep using a couple other glitches too because they add to my enjoyment. I don't think you can come up with a good enough argument to tell me why i should stop.

If you enjoy content creators of Dark Souls then you should realize they modify the game all the time.

>>373401113
It isn't always malicious, yes.

OPs example on the other hand IS MALICIOUS.
Can you get that into your head?

>>373401047

>It's okay to use any means necessary to take down people I don't like, even if they go against the rules

So basically you're a faggot with a twisted sense of morality.

>>373401165
They're saying OP was in the right since the invader got summoned to fight and killed him instead, which isn't proper fight club etiquette as when summoned, you silently acknowledge you're fighting other phantoms, not the host.

>>373401212
Idc, just don't cheat against other players ffs

>>373401180

Well you're conveniently leaving out the context of the host. It's obvious what's going on you just left it out. Invader is clearly just trying to troll. He could have just whited out. Both are trolling but the host is more sympathetic easily. Nobody is going to stop cheating to allow trolls to troll.

>>373401036
>I get my kicks ruining other people's fun
>but they cheated to stop me from doing that
I get it, I get it, you're such a victim, how hard it is being you.

>>373401087
Dude, if you don't lose anything by other people cheating or leaving the game that someone is cheating in, it's not that big of a deal. If someone is cheating because there are no in-game facilities to remove you from the game to stop you from griefing, you're not getting sympathy.

>>373401148
Invasions are based around killing the host without them volunteering for combat. Being summoned with a duel sign isn't.

>>373401239
>twisted sense of morality
You're the one who said your definition of fun is ruining other people's fun for no reason.

>>373401239
this

And those people call you out with this if you mention counter cheats

>attacking host as a red
>"""trolling""""
Holy shit what the fuck happened to the community

>>373401232

It's not as malicious as invading a fight club and then walking over to troll everyone by killing the host. I sympathize with the host and side with him in this issue.

>>373391778
>fight club
>attacks the host
You're a shit person

>>373401202

Getting into a fight club and killing the host when he's not expecting it is a good way BUT THAT'S A NO GO BECAUSE YOU'RE RUINING HIS FUN AND YOU DESERVE TO BE CURSED, BETTER FIGHT THREE PHANTOMS INSTEAD, SORRY, MAD PHANTOMS ARE BEYOND MY SCOPE OF MORALITY :))))))))

>>373401202
Invade in a popular spot or in the dlc, you used to be able to get people with the purple sign trick when the game launched but most everyone knows what's up now, UNLESS you can make yourself look and sound friendly while also wearing the white phantom ring.

>>373398827
>>373397327
Are you seriously implying that a 100% save is -anything- like hacking? Like freezing your health value, flying around the map, or adding curse to a weapon?

>>373401267

Well, in the case of OP cheating was fine imo.

>>373401313
Again the retarded double moral, get a new arguement you dimwit

>>373393017
Just black crystal out

>>373401280

>Invader is clearly just trying to troll.
Good, because invaders are designed to "troll" and they're actually using in-game mechanics to do so.

>>373401239
muh rality

gottem haHAA

>this whole thread
holy shit op you got shut down in your shitty troll attempt, you cant really claim moral high ground kek just stop

>>373401376
And that makes you a shitty person.

>>373391871
This. But it's there because people would complain if it wasn't. Also it stops Bros from steam rolling the game together.

>>373401395
>Good, because invaders are designed to "troll"

They are designed to be added challenge and they are also designed to invade phantom worlds more often. Invading is not for your personal epic troll fantasy. That's a perversion of what it is and a big problem with this community in general.

>>373401313

>I get my kicks by playing the game the way it was meant to be played
>well guess you deserve to get cursed, stat modified and teleported below the map xddd

you're fucking stupid

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>this thread

There's a difference between playing in ways you don't agree with using the game's tools and cheating to be granted an advantage through unfair means you fucking degenerates.

>there are actually people who say cheaters are the same as, if not worse than people who don't conform to fan-made constructs on how to play the game

I cannot fucking believe it.

This whole thread:

>Trolling is worse than cheating

This is worse than reddit, delete /v/

>>373401451

Stopping trolling with cheating is kinda gray. I think the troll is worse. So I'm okay with it. I don't think you can make a good enough argument to claim I'm a shitty person.

>>373401184
for sure, I can vividly recall some voice messages I got that were just seething with anger because I invaded them in anor londo or something. even got some from some people who went on to be ecelebs like Peeve and Afro. the playerbase was much better back then, still some shitters in it but it wasn't even close to as bad as now

>>373401379
>get a new arguement you dimwit
I'm not arguing. I'm saying that if someone uses out of game facilities to kick you from a game for being a cunt, I'm not sympathetic to you. It's a video game where you lose nothing when you die, so all of your crying about it makes you look like a whiny pissbaby.

>>373401480
>well guess you deserve to get cursed, stat modified and teleported below the map xddd
Curse doesn't carry over from being a phantom, he didn't get his stats modified and wasn't teleported below the map. Keep grasping at straws if it makes you feel better, but I don't feel bad that you got kicked for being a douche.

>>373401490

Well going off OP. There is little you can say or do to make me sympathetic to the invader.

>>373401478

Invaders are meant to be hunters that do anything necessary to take down the host. If the host is busy "having fun :)" then tough fucking luck, I want my fucking tongues.

>>373401526

Context is important. Cheating is definitely bad, but not in OP.

>>373401531
This is just factual wrong, one thing INTENDED in the game is worse than the other NOT INTENDED thing they actually sometimes ban you for.

You have to be able to see your logic flaw here or else I'm actually convinced you have a mental issue.

>>373399523
>>373399779
>>373400802
>>373401180
>>373401395
samefag

>>373401571

>get cursed
>try to invade again
>it's the same host
>dark crystal out
>invade
>invade the same host again

inb4 "haha just go somewhere else, my fun>your fun xDDD"

Does nobody think the invader deserves a fair shot in at least trying to kill the host, knowing that his three buttbuddies will try to gank him immediately?

>>373401620

>Invaders are meant to be hunters that do anything necessary to take down the host.

That's one narrative, there are others.


>If the host is busy "having fun :)" then tough fucking luck, I want my fucking tongues.

You can get tongues a lot easier by joining the fight club and participating. I have over 100. Trolling the fight club just makes your life harder.

>>373401690
He wasn't invading. He was summoned. Pay attention.

>>373401650
I see a player trying to attack a host.

Normal reaction would be every dark spirit defends the host.

I see host cursing the player.

NOT OK.

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>>373401589
Of course. It's bad enough the host was cheating, but to be insecure enough with your abilities to cheat in order to protect your fanmade game-type is pathetic in itself. That's not what I'm arguing.

I'm saying it's even more pathetic that people are arguing that because someone didn't play like another person wanted, it's perfectly fine to fucking cheat to kill him. Especially cheating for an effortless, free win.

>b-but he's playing in a way i don't agree with!!!
What the fuck do you think the word "INVADING" means.

>>373401698

But the host is having fun why would you do this :)

This thread is a good example of how the community ruined the series

>>373401660

I don't believe trolling is intended, but i do believe organized PvP is intended otherwise red soapstone wouldn't exist. Cheating is justified by the host if the invader is going to ignore that and try to ruin the activity. You can easily just invade someone else so that's just being a troll and I have no sympathy sorry. I don't imagine many do either.

>>373401698
Yep, you are right. But try to argue with these other idiots here.

>>373401749

There's no narrative for insta-cursing weapons. You agree to not cheat, then you cheat. Spin it however the fuck you want, one player is playing the game, the other is breaking the code of conduct and would be banned if From wasn't incompetent.

>>373401546
What Afro say?

>>373401772

I'm fine with it. I don't think it's a big deal. It prevents the phantoms engaged in a duel from having to stop what they are doing just to waste time on a troll.

>>373401698
not really in this case, no

>>373401780
are you just upset that the host didnt give you the time of day and are venting here?

>>373401589
>Goal of invading is to try to kill the host
>He tries to kill the host

What did he do wrong?

>>373401870
I'm upset that people are arguing cheating is justified in a multiplayer setting at all, ever.
This is what Souls have come to.

>>373401789
I swear even reddit isn't this retarded.

>>373401817

>I don't believe attacking the host as a red spirit is intended

when did tumblr infest this community?

>>373401942
Well to be honest, the guy in the OP was summoned (he's embered), so that usually entail a fair duel.
And if he didn't like fight clubs, he could've just black crystaled out.

>>373401780
He was summoned, which makes him more of a dick but he's still using the tools the game gave him, if he wasn't supposed to be able to kill the host then From shouldn't have allowed dark spirits to attack the host when summoned. I dislike people who use phantoms to play the game for them, but I wouldn't actually cheat in infinite health or FPS droppers just because they're not playing the game how I want them to play.

>>373391778
That's what you get for trying to ruin an obvious fightclub

>>373401870
If the host is bad enough to die in a 3v1 then surely he deserves it?

>>373401780
>Of course. It's bad enough the host was cheating, but to be insecure enough with your abilities to cheat in order to protect your fanmade game-type is pathetic in itself. That's not what I'm arguing.

I don't believe it has anything to do with the hosts security. He is there to ensure the fight club gets a flow of phantoms and goes smoothly without interruption. He seems to be doing that well. I don't see him invading just to troll people.

>I'm saying it's even more pathetic that people are arguing that because someone didn't play like another person wanted, it's perfectly fine to fucking cheat to kill him. Especially cheating for an effortless, free win.

Not what is happening in OP. I highly doubt the host is cheating for easy free wins. I think you misunderstand.

>What the fuck do you think the word "INVADING" means.

It means challenge. These guys are not looking for PvE though, so invading them and treating it like a normal encounter and ignoring what they are doing is asking for people disliking you.

>>373401817
>I don't belive player playing the game is intended

Pls give me your Steam ID so I can send you a friend request. I would like to play some Dark Souls 3 with you. You probably won't play the way I like you to, so it could happen that I use some cheats and try to give you invalid data. Don't be angry, it's a grey zone. After all you didn't play the way I wanted.

>>373402010
>>373402012
How does this make him a dick? There is no real in game communication, so if you were playing this game as somebody who has never spoken to another person about the multiplayer, you would have no idea about the retarded duel rules, especially when the undead match exists.

>>373402017
Way too late and way too retarded, go back to tumblr

>>373402037
>it's okay to cheat if players aren't playing the way the host wants

>guy intentionally acts like a dick for no reason
>gets killed by person cheating in response to his dickishness
>"I don't feel sorry for him, he was being a dick"
>"SO YOU THINK CHEATING IS OKAY THEN?"
>"I didn't say that. I'm saying I don't feel bad because he was being a dick."
>"THE END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT EXPLICITLY STATES HE IS ALLOWED TO BE A DICK"
>"Okay, man, I still don't feel bad for him."
>"WOW OKAY REDDIT YOU'RE THE CANCER OF THE DARK SOULS COMMUNITY THIS IS LITERALLY THE WORST THING ANYONE CAN DO"
>"Yeah but because he's a phantom he didn't lose anything from dying, so nothing happened"
>"YOU CAN'T CONTROL WHO YOU INVADE SO HOW WAS HE SUPPOSED TO NOT INVADE THIS CHEATER? CHECKMATE ATHEISTS"
>"The video clearly shows him being summoned and not invading. It's optional. Who cares."
>"I DISAGREE WITH YOU AND I AM SILLY"

>>373401926
thats a false equivalence, i think, if this were just a regular old invasion then the host cheating isnt justified, but they were trying to do something, and op was just griefing them all, so the host shut him down in the easiest way he could, because frankly who cares about some shitty troll attempt

>>373402018
you dont even know if the host would have died or not, clearly the host didnt care to find out if op would win, op didnt show him any respect so why should he respect op

>>373402037
By following your retarded logic, I could decide I don't like the fact somebody is using the Exile greatsword when we should be having an honourable duel with glorious nippon steel and cheat to kill him.

Wait a second, you're that guy who refused to admit he lost in pokemon showdown because he let it time out while his arcanine was still alive, aren't you?

>>373402037
The game doesn't work that way though, play by the game rules and not some made up shit.

>>373401850
>There's no narrative for insta-cursing weapons. You agree to not cheat, then you cheat.

I cheat as well, but only to enhance my viewing experience. This guy cheats to enhance his fight club experience. I fail to see the problem honestly. I wouldn't say this if the cheater was invading. Invader was a troll, would be more sympathetic to him if he was trying to leave but he wasn't.

It also doesn't really matter what's in the EULA. What matters is motivation. I don't care what the rules are, what matters is the context and what type of cheating and what both players are doing when engaged with each other.

>>373402082
hilarious

>>373402183
So if the invader was cheating would it be fine? The host wasn't showing him any respect after all, so why should he show them any?

>>373401893

He ignored the fight club in favor of targeting host. Could have easily got tongues by participating.

>>373402179

Out of context greentext arguements to yourself sure is fun ain't it?

>>373402098
Fight clubs are an unspoken rule of etiquette. The guy placed down a summon sign with the goal of getting summoned into the game to kill the host, when the host summoned him with the intention of watching him duel other players. This subsequently warrants the use of cheating to deal with the summoned dark spirit.

It's not necessarily about being allowed by the game's developers, but rather about being dishonorable as a dark spirit.

>>373402258
no, i dont think so, they were having a fight club, and if op wanted to participate then cheating of any kind would be shitty, but that's not what op was doing at all, he was just griefing them all, so who gives a fuck what happens to him

>>373402179
>It was ok that the host cheated

You can't deny that you are implying this.

>>373401942

>attacking host as a red spirit is trolling.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

>>373402295
It's pretty nice, yeah

>>373399556
oww the edge

>>373401859
I only remember fighting him once, he was in the forest with a phantom and I killed them both. Was after he had released one of his first few popular videos. Just called me a fag for throwing free aim firebombs to finish him off, then I said he's bad and his videos suck and he didn't respond

>>373402037

So basically it comes down to
>this guy was playing the game in a way I like
>this guy is playing the game in a way I don't like
>it's fine for the first guy to break the code of conduct because the second guy's way of playing the game would affect him, even though there were plenty of legit ways to deal with the situation, such as attacking and outnumbering the invader with the rest of the red phantoms

You are appealing to popularity (even though you've given us no proof that the rest of the community would be fine with this kind of cheating) which is inherently a logical fallacy. Your argument is based on subjectivity. Cheating being a bannable offense is an objective fact, on the other hand, and trying to spin things around to suit your case doesn't change that.

>>373402342
The red spirit was summoned by the host.

>>373402340
How about instead of reaching for what I'm implying, you read what I'm typing?

>>373402340
hes flat out saying that in this case its fine

>>373402082


Not what's happening in OP

I seriously have no idea what you're talking about :/

>>373402149

In the case of a fight club where it's usually 4+ people against one persons enjoyment then the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

>>373402179
I
AM
SILLY

>>373402309
"an unspoken rule of ettiquette"

Literally fucking made up bullshit that only autists on the internet even know about. A normal person playing the game would have no idea about your retarded rules and would just attack. Because that's the fucking game. That's what he's meant to do. When both sides are in disagreement, why are you siding with the person who is actively against the set rules?

You don't know how strong my desire is to give everyone defending the cheater invalid data.

>>373402197
>By following your retarded logic, I could decide I don't like the fact somebody is using the Exile greatsword when we should be having an honourable duel with glorious nippon steel and cheat to kill him.

No idea what you're talking about. Nothing to do with what's happening in OP.

>>373402215

Players always create meta games, this isn't unique to Dark Souls.

>>373402373
THANK YOU

>>373402373
Not him but fight clubs are unspoken in etiquette. It's

I don't see what differentiates this from me invading and killing a host as he's about to reach a boss or open up a shortcut though.

>>373393017
I can see you being mad just because you equipped curse ward gs. You tried attacking same host multiple times, even through you knew what's up.
Kinda pathetic, isn't it?

>>373402373

Not appealing to popularity. The Red was trolling and got anti-trolled.

It's that simple. The red can simply block host or white and problem solved, he doesn't need to go around ruining fight clubs just because he feels entitled to it. I'm not sympathetic to that behavior and not many will be.

>>373400615
You have to restart the game after using CE.Sometimes even when you close CE the effects still remain while you play the game.

>>373402037
well anon I have decided with my group of 3 friends that we don't want to be interrupted on our way to the boss. To combat this I gave all of us insta-curse rapiers and put the homeward miracle on my friends spells.

I am not looking for PvP though, so invading me and treating it like a normal encounter and ignoring what I am trying to do is asking for me to dislike them.

>>373402463
I'm just trying to speak from the host's perspective.

>>373402479
Don't use cheats to inforce your made up rules.

>>373402373
perhaps they could have stopped what they were all doing and just ganked op, the easiest way to deal with a shitty troll is to just shut him down hard, clearly op got completely anally annihilated so mission accomplished

>>373402469
get fucking rekt op kek

>>373402393

Makes his actions worse.

>>373402479
It's entirely to do with what's happening in the op. You are saying that because the invader isn't conforming to the rules the host made up it's ok to cheat.

Well from now on it's my rule that when somebody invades me they are only allowed to use katanas or i'll just cheat and instant curse them.

>>373402579
>The Red was trolling and got killed by a cheater
There I fixed it for you.

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>cheating is ok if it's vs people i don't like

>>373402585
That's what I did or at least I thought. I'll be more careful now thanks.

>>373402579
Cheating is not "Anti-Trolling", it's cheating.

>>373402239

>I just robbed this bank to enhance my living experience

I can argue that I cheat to enhance my invading experience and go around insta-killing everyone I come across. The fact is that you're breaking the rules and "not caring about them" doesn't mean anything other than that you're probably underaged.

>made a weapon in dark souls 2 that would inflict every status effect on you and gave myself invisible weapons

I loved DS2 hacking.

so tdlr is pretty much
>i'm a shitty troll and what seems to be a fight club host is cheating to prevent retarded 8 years old trolls
???

>>373401749
You are absolutely retarded

>>373402630
dont troll
this is super fedora but if you were acting in an honorable fashion then id be with you op, but you werent, so i dont care

>>373402706

Stop trying to act like you aren't getting called out for your shit.

>>373402593
You are begging me to fuck you up with counter cheats. PLEASE give me your steam id.

>>373402593

Not what's happening in OP.

>>373402630

I'm fine with player metas in Dark Souls. It makes the game more interesting. I agree that sometimes an invader who doesn't know what is going on gets the short end of the stick but it's only a minor inconvenience for those people. People who lay red then target host are trolling and they don't really deserve fair play treatment.

>defending the invader
"Git Gud, get LMAObox"

>>373402676
That's your prerogative, if you cant see how that's not quite the same then whatever, im just going to conclude that you're a child and move on

>>373402741
using cheats is honorable?

>>373402750
i just arrived , i haven't even played das3 yet

>>373402579

The red just wanted to play the game normally and go for the host like he's supposed to do but got killed by a cheater.

There, I can simplify a situation to make it support my views too. Thing is, my version sounds much closer to the truth than yours.

>>373402676

The invader was a red sign summon. He knew what he was doing, saw what was going on and went for a troll.

I'm okay with what happened to him. Sorry.

Also, work on your allusions. They never apply.

>>373402796

>If you don't know what you did wrong I'm not going to tell you

What are you, my wife?

Just fucking explain how it's different.

>>373402798
is trolling?

What's this about bandai removing steam cloud saves from dark souls games. Context?

>>373396708
Unironically this

>>373402857
"Knew what he was doing"

Yeah, he was being summoned to try and kill the host. That's entirely the purpose of red phantoms.

>>373402858
i dunno man, maybe fight clubs are a thing?

>>373402705
Yep, had a program that just would block every P2P traffic, countering cheaters was so easy.

>>373402861
why don't you lay out the actions instead of hiding behind a vague statement like 'trolling' or do you intentionally do it because you know how weak your argument is?

>>373402695

Cheating against a troll is stopping the troll. Thus why i called it anti-trolling.

>>373402701

You cannot compare robbing a bank to cheating in a video game.

Marijuana is not a gateway drug.

People who masterbate are not chronic sex offenders.

etc...

>>373402718

3/10

>>373402838

The invader laid a red sign, red signs are obviously for dueling. However, the summon instead went to troll the entire fight club and got anti trolled. I'm okay with this.

>>373402936
trolling happened
cheating happened

neither is good, op is a fag for crying about it

>>373402925
they are a thing that the host made up. What if I want a katana only fight club?

>>373402783
>being this autistic
>not able to apply any reading compression
>not understanding the post is taking the previous stated logic and showing why it's wrong
Did you drop out of high school mate?

>>373402785

>I'm fine with

Good for you. You're fine with it. Others aren't. What matters it that you agreed to not do this and you broke the code of conduct. That's all that matters. Talk about your subjective views all you want, that doesn't change the fact that only one player objectively broke the code of conduct and is in the wrong.

>>373402919

Except it's not in a fight club. Host is there to host fights. And the red phantom laid his red sign at the right meta level at a hot pvp spot. There is nothing you can say to tell me this red was an innocent person. He's at least as bad as the cheater.

>>373402990

And we're literally saying you're okay with people using cheats to kill people they don't like.

>>373402990
How are they "obviously" for dueling? By what fucking logic?

>>373402990
What's the difference between a summoned grape killing the host or three phantoms and a summoned invader killing the host?

>>373403019
if you want to reduce the zone in which you are right a tiny fringe case then by all means, fight clubs arent a thing that was made up for a single game

>>373402990
>You cannot compare robbing a bank to cheating in a video game.

It's a good example of breaking the rules to "enhance your experience".

>>373395549
>give someone generic shield
>tell them its hacked
>"prove" it by attacking them in hyper-mode with a broken moonlight greatsword
>mlgs does 0 damage when broken
>convince them for a while
>secretly switch out to your unbroken +5 mlgs
>one shot them with a guard break
can't remember where I found this idea but it was fun

>>373403042

I imagine the only people who have a problem with OP are trolls so I'm still okay with it.

Trolling isn't okay. the OP is simply karma at work.