How is this not a fucking crime?

>>372279798
what laws are they breaking?

>>372279857
/thread

It's easy work when a developer sold them the kit info.

>emulation
>crime

should we go to court so you can lose again?

>>372279798
I bet you think 3rd party and devices that play dvds are illegal too.

>>372279798
this meme needs to stop

>>372279798
its for research m8

>>372279798
the only crime committed here is your jealousy

>>372279798

Its ok to pirate Nintendo's shit.

>>372279798
There's already a legal precedence on emulation.

>>372279798
I agree, CEmu shit posting should be illegal.

>>372280467
emulators yes
roms are still illegal from what i understand

though i dont know what they thought was gonna happen when they released a sub par 300 dollar machine that is probably gonna have ONLY the 1 game worth getting on it

>>372281063
ROMs are legal, with the stipulation that you're copying them yourself as a backup in case the disc fails.

Obviously it's hard to prove that you didn't do that, and nobody's ever been successfully prosecuted for anything involving ROM files anyway.

>>372279857
dissu, leddit get out

>>372282149
i thought there was a new stipulation addressing that in most EULAs that states you cant make an archive or backup copy

>tfw they're making 3 million a month on an illegal emulator
>/v/ alouds it

>>372282612
Not him, but I sure hope not. And if that's the case, all the more reason to torrent things.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/Sony_v_Bleem.htm

ENGLISH

COMMON

LAW

>>372282717
>you will be a ble to play Bayonetta 1 on pc through this
>this is a bad thing

>>372282774
You're mixing up cause and effect

>>372282612
EULAs usually don't hold up in court, and woe to the company that wants to see if it would just to get some ROM files off the internet.

>>372282849
You're full of shit

>>372279798
I dont think it is. But hey, can you blame them? I would squeeze money from retards too, I would probably do it in my free time even. Closed source emulation is a goldmine nowadays it seems.

Those two dudes at CEMU must be su fucking happy lmao.

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THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>372282924
>calls out shills
>you're just full of shit
Nice one CEMU dev

>>372279857
fpbp. Despite Nintendo's autistic crying, emulation is not a crime, and roms are completely legal if you own an original copy.

>>372282717
>they make a console emulator that can be ported across PCs, backups can be made, mods can be added(?) and this is somehow a bad thing.
tell me, are you a shill for a certain company or are you just shitposting?

>>372283013
Because it's illegal you shitlord.

>>372279798
How long do you guys think it will take before greed and pride makes this whole thing fall part?

>>372283041
>I don't know what Common Law is

>>372282980
>he thinks /v/ pays for videogames much less emulators

go back to l eddit

>>372283041
show me the law f aggot

>>372283041
The development of emulators is not illegal, it has been upheld in court and is also evidenced by the number of emulators that currently exist and have existed for many years. Fuck off, you goddamn shitposter.

>>372282717
>$25,463 per month
>$3million

???

Emulation is fine, Dolphin is a legit emulator build from the ground up. CEMU is blatantly made with propriety code that the devs shouldn't have access to.

>>372283083
>Look mom I got a C in high school Legal Studies

>>372282741
kek empire ended faggot, you cant even successfully apply your own laws within your island

>>372282737
>>372282891

i do remember reading the stipulation but your right that no company would really push for its application. especially when the first week of release is when a company makes 90 percent of its profit on a release and it usually takes a week for a crack/rom to pop up and longer for it to work

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>we will finally be able to play the best version of Mass Effect 3 at 4k
Finally.

Because emulation technically falls under preservation of information instead of piracy. If you can legally source the roms then it's completely legal as far as i know

>>372283147
Better than failing it unlike you since you don't even know what it is

>>372283041

How me the law that says its illegal. Oh right, you can't. Because it doesn't exist.

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>>372279798

How is this not a fucking crime?

>>372279857
considering they're optimizing illegal copies of BOTW? im aware that emulators arent illegal, but arent isos? they're distributing them to patreons

>>372283192
They're using stolen source code

>>372283135
Whom are you quoting?

>>372283223
They didn't use any s*ny code

>>372283237
Literally every time this comes up not one of you has been able to provide a fucking SHRED of evidence that CEMU uses stolen or "proprietary" code.

Either provide hard evidence that there is stolen code or shut your fucking mouth.

>>372283237
prove it

>>372283223
It's not like Sony took the developers to court or anything.

>>372283237
>They're using stolen source code

stolen=/=reverse engineered and i=even if its not you cant prove that they didn't reverse engineer it.

>>372283279
Bleem used as much of Sony's code as CEMU uses Nintendo's code.

>>372283338
>it's not you cant prove they didn't
Neither could I prove the US spies on you until Snowden came out of the closet but still everyone knew it happened.

>>372283314
It's not like Sony lost in court on all counts or anything.

I've owned my Wii U since a year after its launch and owned half my library physically before I caught wind of homebrew. Honestly I'm glad I have the console and its possible to homebrew it instead because I hate all the trouble I went through with game-cube and PS2 emulation on my shit-box toaster. (got a 970 tho so its better now)

But Cemu devs didn't do anything illegal unless they bought the confidential documentation they're using. If someone who broke contract with Nintendo and had their development suite just gifted it to them they're not at any fault.

>>372283384
>Neither could I prove the US spies on you until it was proven the US spies on you

You fucking retard

>>372283235
Proofs needed.

>>372283235
it's completely legal to dump roms of games you legally purchased for personal use, just as it is completely legal to rip songs off of cds you legally purchased for personal use.

>>372283442
>but still everyone knew it happened.

>>372283235

Nope, Nintendo can't do anything but take it up their ass.

The sad thing is people are giving these shitheads money to emulate BotW when they could buy a Wii U for 100 bucks.

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>>372283384

>burden of proof

also burden of proof is enshrined in all systems of law across all 1st world countries. its irrelevant what you think you know. its up to the accuser to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they did something wrong.

>>372283535
>giving Nintendo money they don't deserve

I don't think so, Tim.

>>372283235
You sound like you have zero idea how emulators work and less of an idea of what's even happening. You don't optimize the game itself, and they certainly aren't hosting ISOs for people.

>>372283535
>wii u 100 bucks
>botw 60 bucks

realizing you just paid 160 bucks plus tax for 1 GAME

>priceless

>>372283580
Read >>>372283505
you fuckface

>>372283703
Who is everyone and how did he know it?

>>372283703
you "knew" fuck all because there was no proof

>>372283753
>>372283764
>you didn't know because there was no proof
Jesus are you actually this retarded? It's called common sense

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>>372279798
Report them. It's disgusting that they get away with it.

https://ap.nintendo.com/report/

>>372283314
Sony lost. Bleem died for it.

Bleem is Emulator Jesus

>>372283824
>It's called common sense
go plead that in a court case and see how far it gets you lol common sense is making sure to look both ways before crossing the street. it has no bearing on arguments legal or otherwise.

>>372283871
so Sony didn't lose at all.

>>372279798
Don't worry anon, Republicans are easily bought. It'll be a federal crime by 2020.

>>372283314
Yeah and Sony got assraped by the developers in court. The only reason Bleem lost is because Sony played dirty and threatened retailers by telling them they would stop selling them their products if they kept selling Bleem at their stores.

>>372283824
What is "common sense" is absolutely irrelevant as far as questions of legality and court proceedings go. For someone who likes to pretend he knows shit about laws you ought to know at least this much.

>>372283917
>>372283983
>muh court case
What are you on about? What happens in court doesn't change what's true or false.
fucking idiots

>>372279798
>butthurt nintenbro

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>>372283824
>I don't need proof they stole the code it's common sense

Fucking kill yourself

>>372284025
The burden of proof is on you fucking moron moron.

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>>372283828
kek, u think people havent tried this already? ur not gonna change shit

>>372283339
That wasn't my point

>>372284025
>What happens in court doesn't change what's true or false.

its true if you can prove its true. hence the burden of proof. if there is no proof there is no "truth"

conversely its false if you can prove its false. see the need for proof in both instances?

>>372283930
They quite literally did lose

https://www.law.cornell.edu/copyright/cases/Sony_v_Bleem.htm

Theres really no argument about this. Emulation is legal and a bunch of whiny corporate bootlicking neckbeards on here isn't going to change that.

>>372284025
You claimed they used stolen source code. Your claim was not reinforced by proof of any kind, all you had on your side is hearsay at worst and popular opinions at best. Without proof of them using stolen source code and violations of intellectual property, you cannot have a serious argument. Understand?

>>372284035
you cared enough to reply

>>372284085
But the burden doesn't change what's true or false.

>>372284143
What is your point exactly?

>>372283235
>considering they're optimizing illegal copies of BOTW
I hope you see how stupid you sound. I don't care if you do it for (you)s. You are fucking retard.

>>372284161
>muh burden of proof
Still clinging on to that? give it a rest. Things are true or false regardless of what's been proven.

>>372284163
Sony didn't lose, Bleem went out of business, which was Sony's goal.

>>372283481
but that has nothing to do with what's actually happening

>stolen devkit

it's a matter of time

>>372284195
>But the burden doesn't change what's true
You can't prove it's true. You have nothing to substantiate your claim. Eat shit.

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>>372284032
>>372283828


Waiting months to Play your game for free instead of spending 300+ will be worth it. Can't wait

>>372284195
>But the burden doesn't change what's true or false.

holy fuck is this guy for real? yes it does change everything. if you cant prove something is true then your argument is irrelevant. you may as well piss in the wind

>>372284163
When emulator creators start making big money the case will probably be reopened.

>>372279798
It's clean room reverse engineering.
Basically the legal equivalent of "i accidentally a whole emulator".

>>372284260
>>muh

Not an argument. Either provide proof it's true or fuck off.

>>372284282
shit first one was meant to quote OP

>>372284096
I really, really, really like this image. Can I save it?

>>372284260
>Still clinging on to that? give it a rest. Things are true or false regardless of what's been proven.

they really arnt

itt
retard nintenbabby

To prove stolen codes you literally can compare if there are too many identical lines. Reverse engineering will have way less identical lines than stolen albeit changed code.

>>372284278
>but burden of proof
Still clinging on to that? give it a rest. Things are true or false regardless of what's been proven.

>>372284284
>if you can't prove it your argument is irrelevant
I don't have an argument, I'm stating facts. I could care less what you consider relevant.

>>372284329
>not an argument
Not an argument

>>372284282
You can do it right away if you have a cracked WiiU.

>paying to emulate

the PCbro meme is real

>closed source
>stolen code rumors
>patreon

we all know how this ends

>>372284375
>I'm stating facts
its not a fact till you can provide PROOF.

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>>372284294
>the case will probably be reopened.

>anon tries to legal analysis

All this for to defend a dead in the water console. The Wii U is dead it had a short life. CEMU can't emulate a switch(yet).

It brings me the joy of the heavens knowing that some nintolder here is so BTFO here all he can do is post CEMU hate threads.

>>372284375
>Could care less

And you're illiterate. And unlike your autistic ramblings, that is actually a fact, reinforced by proof. Because the correct way of saying it is "I couldn't care less".

If Nintendo and their army of lawyers could shut them down, they would have done so HOURS, DAYS at the latest after this CEMU project started.

The fact that they still haven't done so YEARS later and sued sites like PCGamer and forced them to take down their articles promoting CEMU means it's OK.

End of story.

>>372284294
you cant reopen a case that has been resolved. you can start a new case but since american legal systems rely on precedence, the former ruling would just be used to kill the lawsuit.

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>>372284375
>I don't have an argument, I'm stating facts.

>>372284282
Did anyone ever make an Isaac edit of that image?

>>372284273
>>stolen devkit
>implying anyone can prove this even if it were true

>>372284453
I'm not saying I want them too. I like emulation. But all it takes is a request to a higher court than the one they gave the previous ruling and accept the case. The Supreme Court is the highest and is the final last world. (They have declared vidiya to be art BTW so no more worries about state censorship.)

>>372284375
>Not an argument
I wasn't responding to one

"muh" is not an argument. You have stated 0 facts. Until you provide proof all you're doing is shitposting.

>>372284217
The guy asked why wasn't bleem illegal and I gave an answer. Keep up bud

>>372284368
Clean room reverse engineering have zero stolen code.
Just to quickly explain how you do it, you get the game code (legal if not distributed), disassemble it (generally easy because nintendo, sony etc always use common existing CPUs), then you check where in the memory the code is poking, functions from the bios it is trying to call etc etc etc.. and you guess which does what, then you write a code that imitates the CPU and those registers etc and that's your emulator.
The emulator code will have 0 nintendo code in it because the real hardware is not an emulator, and thus don't have any emulator code in it.

But on the other hand, if you decapped the chip, photographed the circuitry and used your illegal backyard chip plant to reproduce the circuit, then yes, that would be fucking illegal.

And its a thing that did happened quite a bit in the 80's, particularly in the USSR.

>>372284601
see
>>372284526

>>372284601
Anon you are a fucking moron who doesn't understand how the Supreme Court or the Legal System works.

>>372279798
It's not a crime, but it's funny seeing people pay for this.

I'll just reap the rewards and not pay either :^)

>>372283235

>t-there must kind o-of piracy going on h-here BUY THE SWITCH REEEEEE

>>372284620
The reason Bleem is legal is the same reason that CEMU is.
That was the entire point of the original post. Try to keep up kid.

>>372284627
Then why did the "evil games are hurrying our childrez" bullshit kept being reopened to higher courts over a decade to the pont it even reached the supreme court?

>>372284526
Can't you appeal?

>>372284393
>consoletards still don't realize that CEMU is free and the pateron donation only gives you early access to the dev build everyone gets for free a week after release

These threads are proof that anti emulation shitposters have actual brain damage. It's the only explanation for their cacophony of bullshit

>>372284731
Because those cases weren't made 20 years ago and they were multiple contradictory rulings.
Spend literally 2 seconds on google and read up on how the supreme court selects cases and stop spreading your idiocy.

>>372284667
Then tell how at one point a court ruled in favor of Jim Crow in the statement "separate but equal" but later got over ruled with the statement "'Separate but Equal' was inherently unequal"?

>>372284731
appeals are not reopening the case. you have a limited window to appeal a ruling (which the emulator ruling has already lost its window). if you dont appeal you forfeit and the ruling becomes precedence. if you appeal the ruling and loose you can keep appealing it till either you run out of money or you loose at the supreme court.

>>372284742
You can't appeal a ruling from 2000 that you weren't even involved in, no.

>>372284742
yes see
>>372284908

>>372284436
>its not a fact till you can provide PROOF.
No, this is not how it works.

>>372284503
I could, factually, care less. Not my fault you don't have a grasp on the American language.

>>372284604
I wasn't responding to one either.

>>372284786
They know this, but post that bulshit anyway to try and get (You)'s. It works. If people didn't respond to them they would stop doing it.

>>372284508
Nintendo and other companies could never go after emulators, bc the software of other emulators was created by the devs themselves. They did not break the law. That's why they never implemented copyrighted material like the bios for example and why certain emulators require you to get the bios yourself, so you are the one committing the crime and not the devs of the emulator,
NOW if CEMU uses copyrighted code lines from the WiiU, Nintendo would have no problem to win at court. The question is, does CEMU use literal and therefore copyrighted code from Nintendo? Seeing how it is the emulator with the fastest progress in history one could get suspicious. Especially considering that there are only 3 devs. And something else that could be considered supsicious is the fact that the emulator isn't open source like emulators use to be a lot of the times.
Tbh I still don't believe they used Nintendo's code and if they did, they would deserve to be assblasted for their stupidity.

>>372284923
I meant couldn't the people within the case, take the case to court of appeal?
I'd imagine there's a time limit on how long you can appeal a case though, since 17 years later would be a bit ridiculous.

If I were a nintendo fanboy I'd be pretty mad too

>>372284903
if i had to guess i would say that the ruling was subjected to a constitutional challenge, in which case it operates on separate rules than a normal lawsuit.

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>>372284903
>doesn't understand the difference between an court appeal and overruling in a seperate case
>comparing segregation laws to copyright law

>>372279798
>Shorter time

Yeah I am going to call bullshit on that. When you have 25k you should be able to build something really good even better than Dolphin within a year. Its enough to hire 5 small programmers.

But that is only if after one year it does not happen though.

Can I reverse engineer apple products and make millions?

>>372284272
don't emulation teams have a whole list of do's and don't outfitted by a strict legal requisite

that's what separates good emulation teams from bad ones, anyone can program an emulator given enough money, but the proper teams have very stringent standards for illegal copying

>>372283235
>they're distributing them to patreons
but they aren't

>>372284968
>No, this is not how it works.

this is exactly how it works

>American language

ahhh i see the problem here. its also english btw

>>372285040
>implying you can find programmers who would want work experience in emulators
I doubt it.

>>372283338
you can't prove that you're not a huge fag
see how easy that is

>>372285084
>its
>i
I needn't further proof you have neither idea nor a grasp on the American language. You're a filthy ESL

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>>372284968
>No, this is not how it works.
That's literally how it fucking works

Burden of proof lies on the positive claim ie
>The devs stole the code (you)
>no they didn't (not you)
you would have the burden there. Not my fault you don't have a grasp on basic logic.

>I wasn't responding to one either.
No actually you were.

>>372285117
ill do you one better faggot. i fap to traps therefor I am a huge faggot.

>>372285156
>bait image
post discarded

>>372285002
They don't use any stolen code. It's just easier to emulate Nintendo's potato consoles.

Emulating PS3, which was said to be impossible because of Cell and shit, now that's impressive.

>>372285002
Cemu might have some illegal code in it, but not from nintendo, but dolphin team.
You have to remember that the WiiU CPU is the same as the Wii and gamecube CPUs, except just running faster.
And given how modern GPUs work with shaders that are basically C++ code that gets compiled for the GPU, Cemu can be a hacked dolphin with a shader interceptor that captures the shaders while they're easy to "chew", reprocess em to run on DirectX12/Vulkan and bob's your uncle.

>>372285004
>I'd imagine there's a time limit on how long you can appeal a case
Gee, ya think?
Also why would Sony reopen a case they lost against a company that doesn't even exist anymore.

>>372285143
>American language
again, it's ENGLISH.

>>372285249
read >>>372285143

>>372285219
Opinion discarded
>>372284968
>>372284375
>>372284195
>>372283824
>>372283703
>>372283505
>>372283384

All your posts are discarded and invalid. Nothing you say matters

>>372285040
>5 small programmers
Glad to see /v/ still has no idea what the fuck they are ever talking about

>>372285037
I'm not being ignorant on purpose I was never actually taught how our country actually works other than 'evil white men' stuff and all I know about court rulings is stuff I heard in history class years ago and maybe 1 or 2 episodes of those crime shows like 'law and order.'

Back to to actual topic: could these CEMA dudes have any potential of doing something extremely stupid and ruining all emulation forever? That's all I'm concerned about.

>>372285236
>Cemu might have some illegal code in it, but not from nintendo, but dolphin team.
>stolen code from dolphin
>open source project
fucking uneducated americans
please unironically kill yourself

>>372285303
Why?

>>372285276
are you aware that ESL stands for ENGLISH as a SECOND LANGUAGE. as in not American?

>>372285236
Interesting, but if using dolphin as a base was viable, why wouldn't the dolphin team try to make an emulator for the WiiU.

>>372285329
You should probably stop posting about the country's legal system then. Or emulation law in general.

>>372285383
I'm not going to explain to you how American language is a valid thing to say. So just leave now because you're embarrassing yourselves.

>>372285143
what's "american language". Do you mean english?

>>372279798

Invest in RPCS3 you cucks, I need NIER on PC

>>372285359
Because you have
no argument
no facts
no proof

You're a complete and utter retard. Opinion discarded.

>>372285353
He might actually have a point. I know I'm retarded about the legal system but I actually read EULA. Opening source and free programs are not valid for commercial use.

>>372285353
It is GPL.
Which means that the Cemu team is legally obligated to publish their code if they made any sort of modifications AND give the attribution to the original team regardless of any modification.

>>372285436
>spoonfeed me
Read >>>372285435
That's all the hints I'm going to give you. Is it too early to draw the summer-card?

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>>372285435
>just leave now because you're embarrassing yourselves.

How ironic.

>>372285329
>could these CEMA dudes have any potential of doing something extremely stupid and ruining all emulation forever?

yes and no. yes they could do something stupid and ruin emulation as we know it but it would be reallllllly hard. I would tell you to look into copyright law but i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.

>>372285461
These are all very harsh accusations. I assume you have the proper evidence to elaborate on these to-the-man attacks?

>>372285464
CEMU isn't a commercial product
Just stop posting dude.

>>372285435
>I'm not going to explain to you how American language is a valid thing to say
why, because you don't have PROOF that its valid?

>>372285520
How is it ironic? You're the one asking stupid questions here.

>>372285391
>Interesting, but if using dolphin as a base was viable, why wouldn't the dolphin team try to make an emulator for the WiiU.
it's not viable
literally all they could pull from dolphin is the UI/xinput/output which are not extremely complicated
the whole rewriting logic (actually emulating games) needed to be written from scratch.

>>372285464
He's retarded and you are too.
EULA is not binding. Ever.
Terms of use aren't too.
Literally the only thing that matters is the code license which >>372285489 claims is GPL

>>372285489
Well they did say they'll open it eventually.
And even then, it's only that other anon claiming they took any code.
If they didn't, they have no obligation to publish cemu's source in any way.

>thread derailed by "muh english" retards
wew

>>372285550
>These are all very harsh accusations
They're very accurate and observable accusations.

This thread is a testament to your stupidity.

>>372285608
>why
Because spoonfeeding retards isn't going to help anyone.

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>>372283384
You had to wait until snowden to "prove" that? Congratulations on graduating middle school.

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>NES-Wii get emulated
>.........
>Botw gets emulated
>ILLEGAL SHIT

>>372285614
>You're the one asking stupid questions here.
>How is it ironic?

There's that irony again.

>>372285664
>They're very accurate and observable accusations.
Accusations can't be 'observable'. Stop being so ESL on this American imageboard.

>>372285669
I just said the opposite didn't I?

>>372285717
That's not what irony means...

>>372285621
The thread was derailed by one gigantic stupid fuck who claimed CEMU uses stolen code but couldn't prove it.

>>372285550
the evidence is your posts in this thread that have
>no proof
in fact you tried to argue that common sense overrules proof
>no argument
>>372284375
in the above quoted post you admitted you dont have an argument

>no facts
facts require proof. we already touched on your lack of proof

>>372279798
How old are you? Serious question.

We've been over all of this for more than a decade on /v/, so I can only suppose that anyone who doesn't understand emulation and why it is and SHOULD be legal must be 12-20 years old and ignorant.

>>372285737
You don't know what irony means
>You're the one asking stupid questions here.
>is the only one asking stupid questions

>>372285801
Again, please contain your autism and calmly prove how me stating a fact means anything you claim about me?

>>372285846
So you can't answer after you made a baseless assumption. Okay champ

>>372285737
>Accusations can't be 'observable'.
Actually they are. Anyone looking at this thread can see you don't have any arguments, or proof, or facts.

All you've done is shitpost and dodge your burden of proof with MUH memes and ESL nonsense

>>372284436
>>372284503
>>372284538
>>372284604
>>372285084
>>372285156

Can you idiots stop replying to the shitposter please? Morons.

>>372279857
The only way they would have 100% emulation accuracy is if they somehow had a bios from the WiiU (This *is* illegal to have reverse engineered or not) But yeah good luck with Nintendo proving in court they had a WiiU Bios beyond a reasonable doubt.

>>372285737
>That's not what irony means...

it is indeed ironic for the stupid to acuse someone of being stupid

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony

definition 3.b.

>>372285890
Can't answer what? You didn't ask me a question.
>after you made a baseless assumption

Again the irony.

>>372285891
>actually they are
Please learn what 'observable' means.

>>372285897
I'm shitposting because people don't know the American language?

>>372285458
>NIER
I'm surprised that the first game didn't get a rerelease before the second one came out. Actually no I'm not nobody bought it.

>>372285945
So this doesn't apply here.

>>372285957
>you didn't ask a question
Seriously nigger?

>>372279798
25k per month?
I better have a full fucking switch emulator in a couple months.

>>372285303
>>372285461
>>372285664
>>372285667
>>372285801
>>372285891
>>372285961


!!!!!!!!! >>372285897 !!!!!!!!!
Dipshits

>>372285961
Please learn what "fact" means. Or just words in general.

>>372279798
How is your stupidity not a crime?

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>Donated $500
>Could have bought a Switch instead

This one's for the Gen Z kids

>>372285930
almost everything written from scratch (or reverse engineered) is not illegal.
same with a bios to a device.
so what you reverse engineered a bios
you made it from scratch, painfully
didn't use any copyrighted code in the process
100% in the clear
kys retard


just how in the fuck is it possible for you fucking retards to be this stupid

>>372286026
Facts don't require proof. They're facts by default.

>>372286016
>So this doesn't apply here.
Seriously nigger?

>>372279857
Piracy? How is this a question?

>>372285897
what else is this thread good for?

>>372285849
>calmly gave proof to acusations against retard
>he wants me to do it again
>>372283580
see "personal incredulity" in the above quoted picture

>>372285897
Its all bait buddy, enjoy the shitstorm
I mean you can obviously tell by how he posts he's wither underage, reddit or just baiting. No normal person acts like that.

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>>372286089
>Facts don't require proof.

>>372279798
This is kind of like uploading child porn to youtube and disguising it as a cute cat-video.
You click on it, thinking it's a cat video - boom - you have consumed CP. Have you done something illegal now? Can Youtube be held responsible? No and no. Only the uplaoder is to blame.
Cemu=Youtube.CP=pirated copy.
Cemu is intended to be used with a legitimate copy of a game.

>>372286115
Too many people are taking him seriously.

>>372286115
>No normal person acts like that.

people voted for trump

>>372286097
How does stating a fact prove anything about me? You're clearly inept.

>>372286152
They don't. Facts are facts regardless of whether or not you have proof. If you can't see that then by all means this emulator is illegal.

>>372286089
Anon you just lost the thread.

>>372286096
How do you even figure out how to breathe when you're this dumb?

>>372286154
As long as you don't save the video you've done nothing illegal dude. Or do you shut down your PC whenever someone uploads a cp webm in a random thread too?

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>>372286207
>Facts don't require proof. Facts are facts regardless of whether or not you have proof.

>>372286089
Facts are only facts because there is proof to back them up. Are you fucking retarded? Stop baiting.

Does anyone else find hilarious how BUTTHURT nintenbros get over emulators/piracy on their systems, whereas nobody else gives a fuck? It's always funny seeing cultist manchildren in a twist.

>>372286207
It proves that you're an inept retard. That's a fact btw.

>>372286089
see definition 3

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fact

>>372286207
Anon I want you to state a fact unrelated to the topic of this thread. Can you do that for me? I'm curious what else you consider a "fact"

>>372286096
>>372286207

How are you people this fucking stupid?

>>372282741
>The legality of the emulator is not at issue in this lawsuit.

>>372286323
Donald Trump is the greatest leader america has ever had
>t. fact tard

>>372284260
>Sony didn't lose,
They factually did. In court. Bleem going bankrupt from legal fees doesn't change the ruling.

>>372286207
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

considering the progress of this shit, isn't it obvious they made use of stolen documentation to get ahead? look at the jump in progress when more patreon bux came in

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>>372286207
>>372286089
>>372283384
>>372283237

I hope you slip and crack your skull on the pavement.

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>>372286089
>>372286207
this shit is hilarious
this is why I come to /v/

>>372286260
Prove me wrong

>>372286263
Doesn't mean the proof is a part of the fact. I can state facts without having any proof as long as the actual prove exists.

>>372286307
No thanks.

>>372286323
Define 'unrelated'

>>372286353
How is this emulator not legal? Tell me.

>>372286421
>Bleem going bankrupt from legal fees doesn't change the ruling.
So Sony got their goal. Sony did win in the end.

>>372285353
If they used Dolphins code CEMU is illegal because of it's distribution license.

How about you get an education you retarded europoor. Open source doesn't mean "free to do whatever you want" with. UE4 is open source and you cannot legally use any of it's code in your own game engine.

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>>372286089
So just like man made global warming?

Serious note

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2017/03/29/j-scott-armstrong-fraction-1-papers-scientific-journals-follow-scientific-method/

>most modern researches do not use the scientific method

That's fucking scary. Trillions of dollars were made and lost and laws were written and changed based on these 'studies'.

>>372286467
>isn't it obvious
If its so obvious then why can't anyone show evidence?

>>372286497
Well laws have always been a guideline. Hence why requiring proof does not make the fact.

>>372286487
>"facts don't need proof"
>asks for proof
but facts needing proof is a fact so there's no need for proof retard.

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>>372286487
>Prove me wrong

Literally religious logic

>>372286526
cause its closed source

>>372286487
>Doesn't mean the proof is a part of the fact.
Actually it does, since that is the intrinsic meaning of the word "fact", inbred.
>I can state facts without having any proof as long as the actual prove exists.
You can, but until you back them up with proof, they are just erroneous claims that can't be identified as facts or not.
Stop posting.

>>372286526
If it's so obvious it doesn't require evidence now does it?

>>372286583
An accusation =/= fact

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>>372286487
>tfw you will never be this assblasted

>>372286487
>I can state facts without having any proof as long as the actual prove exists.

Can you prove it exists? Because otherwise you're telling us to take your claims as facts at face value which makes you completely retarded

>>372283828
>this site actually exist
>there is actually a platform where corporate drones can do nintendo's guard dog job for free
>and people probably use it
lmao

>>372286613
saying facts need proof =/= accusation

>>372286497
>Breitbart

I cannot tell parody apart from reality anymore but I really hope I don't share a site with idiots who would consider that shit news.

>>372286487
>Prove me wrong

I don't need to. I can state facts without having any proof as long as the actual prove exists.

>>372286609
>You can, but until you back them up with proof, they are just erroneous claims that can't be identified as facts or not.
I could care less about that, they're still facts.
It's not that hard to grasp but I suppose it is if you think this emulator is somehow illegal

>>372286620
Prove it.

>>372286629
Do I need to prove a fact if it's a fact?

>>372286487
>Define unrelated
Any fact of your choice pertaining to any subject. Preferably not having to do with vidya. Please. Humor me

>>372286487
>How is this emulator not legal? Tell me.
I never said it wasn't you braindead retard.
How are you people this fucking stupid? Tell me.

>>372286682
I don't want to get banned for off-topic non-video-game-related shitposting. You can't fuel me Eisenhower.

>>372286693
>can't prove me wrong
Thought so

>>372286601
even if it was open source, you still wouldnt be able to tell if it was stolen or not.

emulation is legal but don't bullshit me we know its going to be used for pirating games for the most part

>>372286681
>they're still facts
No, they're not. Until you present evidence that backs up the truth of your facts, they're not facts.

>>372286601
So all closed source projects use stolen code?
Cause otherwise that's not proof
>If it's so obvious it doesn't require evidence
In other words it's not obvious and you're full of shit.

>>372286670
What's wrong with Breitbart? Are they like Fox/CNN/Ration Wiki?

>>372286732
I can't but nintendo can

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>>372286681
>Do I need to prove a fact if it's a fact?

>>372286741
>until you provide irrelevant evidence it's not a fact
Prove it

>>372286681
im starting to really hope you are real just so that, somewhere out there, there is someone with the IQ of toe cheese

>>372286742
If you honestly think they didn't steal code you are either part of the dev team or delusional.

You don't start a brand new code base for something you don't have the documentation to or the dolphin code and then magically get to almost complete emulator over the course of a year.

>>372286714
>You can't fuel me Eisenhower.
Anon are you okay? Or did you mean to type it. I'm sorry but I can't tell.

>>372286681
>Prove it.
He doesn't need to, it's still a fact :^)

>>372286826
>you're stupid haha
If I was truly stupid you'd be able to prove it.

>>372286742
Even when closed source Dolphin didn't see a big jump in progress like CEMU does. It's suspicious and very likely that they cheated

>>372286670
>news isn't news because some faggot told me this news site is le stoopid
Yeah okay buddy.

>>372286770
Brietbart makes Fox and CNN look like peer reviewed scientific journals.

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>>372286860

>>372286714
>>can't prove me wrong
It's a fact I don't need to

>>372286860
If facts were truly facts you'd be able to prove they were.

>>372286857
Accusations =/= fact

>>372286854
newfag filter

>>372286882
Oh dear.

I used to read Milo's shit all the time.

Was Game Journalist Pro a fake 'leak'?

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>>372286828
>If you honestly think they didn't steal code you are either part of the dev team or delusional.

In other words you don't have any proof they stole code.

>>372286880
Yes, news is in fact not news if it's on a site that straight makes things up.

Global warming is real and man made by the way.

>>372286734
If I'm able to emulate a 2017 console game then said console should lose all of its sales

>>372286785
not really since it is possible to reverse engineer a product that is an exact match for the original without a stolen source.

extremely improbably but there still is a reasonable doubt and Nintendo would need some really good proof to get any kind of court case off the ground. like an embedded signature in some redundant code or something like that

>>372286920
No, facts are facts because someone out there has proven them.

>>372286904
I'm not the one clinging on to IQ-tests that were made to make the white man look more intelligent on average.

>>372286874
The fact that they made big jump in progress is not proof that the code was stolen.
>It's suspicious and very likely that they cheated
How is it likely?
Right now your going off of pure speculation and not evidence.

>>372286860
i dont need proof since its a fact and facts dont need proof

>>372286970
prove it

>>372286802
It's not irrelevant evidence, you're putting words into my mouth because you are demonstrably wrong and there's nowhere you can go that doesn't make you not sound like a complete and utter moron. Evidence that proves a fact is the only thing that makes a fact a fact. It is a fact that when I drop my pencil, it will fall to the ground. This is a fact because I can drop my pencil and see it fall to the ground.
Stop posting.

This thread is fucking gold
>"FACTS DON'T NEED PROOF"
>"PROVE IT"
cant make this shit up.

>>372286921
>Accusations =/= fact

So you admit you haven't stated any facts?

Because you accused the devs of stealing code and accused anons of not having a grasp on "the American language". Where is your proof?

>>372287065
>It's not irrelevant evidence,
Prove it. Because I'm fairly sure this emulator is legal.

>>372287070
>seriously implying this emulator is illegal
Prove it?

>>372286963
You are right senpai, they just are the best developers in the history of the entire world.

That's also why the emulator is closed source. They don't want people to see their genius dev secrets :^)

I already provided enough proof to get a court order to examine the source code if I was an interested party. How about YOU demonstrate how a creation of an emulator this complex would be possible by a team of cemu teams size using no illegal documentation or previously written source code on the architecture.

Considering I have quite literally provided more proof than you have at this point, in order to prove me wrong you now must refute my claim with more than just saying "no proof lel" so have fun with that, because it's impossible, because they did it.

>>372286991
>brings race into argument

Welp, go home everyone, this guy is either the best troll on current /v/ or just extremely autistic and retarded.

>>372287119
>prove it
hehe

>>372286991
Until you point to the evidence of someone proving the facts, they are not facts. Ergo, facts require evidence.

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>>372287070
Literally all because one retard accused CEMU devs of stealing code and couldn't provide any evidence.

>>372287102
No, facts = facts
Accusations = accusations
That's the only thing I said.
Do you seriously believe this emulator to be illegal?

>>372287130
>brings up iq-tests when he doesn't even know what they test

>>372287154
Simply wrong. Things can be facts regardless of who proves them to be facts.

>>372285058
>anyone can program an emulator given enough money
crying_geohot.jpg

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>286 posts
>86 posters

>>372287119
Prove that he implied the emulator is illegal in his post.

>>372287119
I am not concerned about the legality of any emulators. My only posts in this thread are correcting your backwards view of what facts are.

>>372282997
>and roms are completely legal if you own an original copy
Which isn't the case for 95%+ of 'emulator enthusiasts'.

>>372279798
>>372286096
It's not illegal to reverse engineer hardware and make an emulator out of it.

>>372287176
No evidence of that but very reasonable to suspect them of stealing code considering the circumstances

>>372287239
>moving the goal posts

>>372287119
>I'm fairly sure this emulator is legal.

did anyone else notice the retards argument switched sides?

>>372287232
A lot of people are witnessing the retardation of a nintendo babby apparently.

>>372287253
>please think my backwards views instead
you can't make this shit up

>>372287261
no one is arguing whether or not roms are illegal, they're legal in the right countries.

>>372287276
Prove it.

>>372287203
>Things can be facts regardless of who proves them to be facts.
That's not an argument or a refutation. You just rearranged the wording.
"No, facts are facts because someone out there has proven them."
And it doesn't matter who proves them. As long as they are proven, as long as there is evidence. Facts require evidence.

>>372287129
>You are right senpai, they just are the best developers in the history of the entire world.

Nice strawman. All I said was that there's no proof they stole code. Which there isn't.

The fact of the matter is that a project being closed source and making large amounts of progress isn't evidence that code was stolen.

>I already provided enough proof to get a court order to examine the source code

Where? All you did was call me delusional and/or part of the dev team and insisted it was stolen because it's closed source.

>How about YOU demonstrate how a creation of an emulator this complex would be possible

I don't need to because I'm not the one making claims against the devs. The burden of proof is on you.

>Considering I have quite literally provided more proof than you have at this point

Considering the burden is on you this post is meaningless. Your claim has nothing to back it up.

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>>372279857
fpbp

>>372287318
>Prove it.
dont need to, its a fact

>>372287070

*dismisses your post because ive already decided what i want to believe*

>>372287276
how did I miss that, oh well >>372287318
bait confirmed, everyone go home.

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>>372287203
>Simply wrong. Things can be facts regardless of who proves them to be facts.
Alright. It is now a fact that you're wrong. You can stop now and go back to wherever you came from.

>>372287273
Where were the goalposts moved?
You literally accused him of implying this emulator is illegal in your greentext.

>>372285435
It might be as valid as everything else, you're still a retard

>>372283041
>shitlord
I smell neofaggotry.

>>372287272
What circumstances? That the project is closed source and makes a lot of progress?
The suspicion is completely unreasonable because it's not based on evidence, not even circumstantial evidence.

>>372286493
GPL is not a distribution license.
GPL is a code license.
Meaning all the code under the GPL needs to be published.

But then:
>no proof they used any dolphin / GPL code
>can't force them to reveal it without serious doubts + lawsuit
>only company that cares about GPL licensing is FSF

I work as a programmer and deal with code licenses on a daily basis.
Please, teach me more.
Fucking americans.

>UE4 is open source and you cannot legally use any of it's code in your own game engine.
wow no fucking shit that if they have a license that explicitly states you cannot use it in a different project, you cannot use it in a different project
maybe next you'll teach me about MIT/BSD/Apache/GPL2/3/LGPL2/3/Public Domain licenses?

Oh wait
I already know how they work
you don't
because you're a fucking illiterate amerishit

>>372287414
wait wasn't he the one saying it's illegal? now he's arguing someone implied its illegal? what the fuck is happening?

>>372287129
>I already provided enough proof to get a court order to examine the source code if I was an interested party

you really didn't though. if this was the case then anyone could randomly accuse anyone of something and the courts to look into it. you need something REALLY substantial to get any sort of court order

>>372287365
>All I said was that there's no proof they stole code. Which there isn't.

I provided proof they did.

>Where? All you did was call me delusional and/or part of the dev team and insisted it was stolen because it's closed source.

I never said that. I specifically said it's impossible for the emulator to function as it does today without the stolen code or stolen documentation. You still have not addressed this.

>I don't need to because I'm not the one making claims against the devs. The burden of proof is on you.

Already provided it.

>Considering the burden is on you this post is meaningless. Your claim has nothing to back it up.

Already provided it.

You cannot provide proof and you cannot refute my point. You literally cannot explain an impossibility. Your entire argument has no foundation. If this was Phoenix Wright this would be the point where your sprite starts sweating profusely and you lose the case.

>>372287261
You can use printers to distribute comics and artwork you don't own. Should it be illegal to manufacture printers?

>>372286802
Nice strawman.

>>372287318
Thinking facts require evidence isn't a backwards view. You are probably not very well educated.

>>372287362
>That's not an argument or a refutation
No, it's a fact.

>>372287409
How can I be wrong if I'm stating facts?

>>372287416
>you're right but I'm still going to call you a retard
Seriously?

>>372287556
So you agree with me?

>>372285320
Ask Yanderedev :) he pays 5k a month for 2 programmers, a modeler and a voice actor or 2.

>>372287502
>Calls me illiterate
>He literally contradicted himself with his own explanation

Retards sitting on their high horses are always fun.

>>372287591
>So you agree with me?
noone agrees with you and thats a fact

Why did CEMU devs deny an interview from PCGamer regarding the legality of their emulator?

>>372287318
>Prove it.

Ok. Here you argue that the code is stolen >>372283237

Then you suddenly switched to arguing it's legal when nobody you replied to said it wasn't >>372286487

>>372287567
If a pre-established fact didn't have evidence, would it simply become untrue? Think damnit

>>372287591
No you're not right, sure it might be arbitrarily held as valid to say american by whatever retarded standards you have over there, you're still wrong and infantile to call english "american" instead of its proper name

>>372287503
Learn to read idiot.

>>372287510
Your post is not an argument. You didn't address why what I said is not strong enough legal ground, thus saying it is not enough for an investigation.

If my entire point is that the Dolphin devs DO have legal ground to sue the Cemu devs, and I give a reason why, a valid response is not "you need a reason to sue somebody!"

>>372287591
>No, it's a fact.
Yes. It's a fact because the people who proved it to be a fact proved it by using evidence of the claim's legitimacy. They required evidence in the first place. Facts require evidence.

>>372287263

No emulator developer is reversing jack shit.

It's all laundered non-clean room reversing. It's all illegal.

Byuu is a huge fraud and phony too that relied on several dozen years of SDK laundering done by snes9x/zsnes, which he then whitelaundered himself.

The entire emulation scene is a legally grey affair.

>>372285930
Watch gaming historian on Bleem. They even did it without the BIOS and won the case.

>>372287643
you cant pre establish a fact since that implies that there was a time before it was a fact and if that is the case then it required evidence to establish it as a fact

this post is a fact and requires no proof

>>372287643
Give me an example. If something like what you're describing actually occurred, then someone else would just prove it again. But yes, if there is no evidence of something, then it is not a fact.

>Prove it. Because I'm fairly sure this emulator is LEGAL.
>seriously implying this emulator is ILLEGAL.
then what the fuck is this. Did your brain totally shutdown?

>>372287734
>No emulator developer is reversing jack shit.
>It's all laundered non-clean room reversing. It's all illegal.

Funny, that's not what any court case in a Western, common-law society has decided.

An emulator is an original software creation and an original, protected piece of copyrighted, intellectual property.

>>372287591
>How can I be wrong if I'm stating facts
But you said anyone can prove a fact. And that a fact is a fact simply becuase it is a fact. Thus many facts can exist despite being contradictory. And besides. We can share the ablity to make facts.

>>372287801
Prove that my brain shut down.

>>372286271
The irony is Nintendo has best emulators and somehow nintendies get mad but Sony has the worst with RPC3 yet their fans do not care.

>>372287679
>>372287119
>>372287801

>>372287612
You don't realize what you're claiming, do you.

>If, and only IF, the CEMU project took code from the dolphin project (under GPL license), would they be forced to open the project
Well, do you have any proof they did take it?

I gave my opinion on it way back, here >>372285615
>>Interesting, but if using dolphin as a base was viable, why wouldn't the dolphin team try to make an emulator for the WiiU.
>it's not viable
>literally all they could pull from dolphin is the UI/xinput/output which are not extremely complicated
>the whole rewriting logic (actually emulating games) needed to be written from scratch.

So you're claiming they "stole" the easiest part of any program.
The QT-based interface, the Xinput control mapping and DirectX/OpenGL writing.
Which is literally 3-4 days of work, for the state Cemu has it's interface in.

You're retarded.

>>372287627
Prove it. How can no one agree with facts? Are you stupid?

>>372287635
Stealing something doesn't make something else illegal. Emulators are very much illegal however.

>>372287667
I called it the American language. Not 'American'
It's a newfag filter and you clearly didn't pass the test.

>>372287697
So why am I required to do anything but state the fact? It's still a fact is it not?

>>372287761
So you agree with me?

>>372287796
>give an example
Take everything you know to be a fact. Now remove all the evidence of it ever being true existing on this planet. Would you be able to provide evidence for every single thing you know to be a fact? How much of it would simply be 'common sense'?

>>372287801
It's called reading comprehension you lack.

>>372287837
So how can I be wrong if it's a fact?