EVE Online

>You can not catch up to any player that started before you: The game.
Skills/waiting time were a mistake.

Too bad the game is shit now.
You should have gotten it about 10 years ago.

>>369227107
The same goes for many MMOS. What a pointless thing to dismiss the game over. It's not as if all skills are in play in a battle.

>>369227215
You could start an account, log in to do skills and come back in 3-4 years to play. In any other MMO I could simply grind this out, with the only cap being on weekly raid lockouts or something similar.

>>369227107
>>You can not catch up to any player that started before you: The game.


This is retarded and untrue.

>>369227215
MMO only take week to month to reach level cap

Meanwhile EVE take months to acquire the most basic of shit you need to even leave the beginner area

>>369227331
You're going to actually have to play to afford the more advanced skill books.

If you want to beat a vet, counter their ship, get some friends to gang up on them. A long time player will have a wide range of skills to increase their options, not infinitely high skills relevant to combat.

>>369227669

You know nothing of Eve. Thats pretty clear. You can leave and live in nullsec after a week, you tumbling retard.

>>369227447
Explain.

It is the most fun I have had in a MMO,
even gas mining was intense hiding in some remote corner of wormhole space occasionally seeing a blip on the radar getting ready to warp away.

Exploring was amazing too especially when I got my Astero and could just sneak everywhere.

It takes a bit to learn but when you have got the basics of the thing you want to do lets say Exploring there is enough stuff for you to do and still learn how to do better at the thing you want to do.

I stopped playing a bit ago due to my PC dying and me having to play on a laptop but I cant wait to play again

>>369227741
>be 6 month old alpha
>see 7 year old omega
>fully fit out a cruiser with the best weapons and armor you can find
>They kill you in a garmur despite you using blasters and 3 webs
Do not lie to these people

>>369227107
Aside from the major alliance leaders / rent manager, who usually are very experienced players, there's room for everybody.

I know at least one guy who started in 2015 and is close to be a trillionnaire by now.

>>369227741
Buy/sell ISK/PLEX then I can afford them.

>>369227669
In my first week of playing eve I was sitting in the most dangerous areas of the game with the choice of doing pretty much anything I want (within reason)

>>369227890
Destroyed 2 semi big factions by playing double? triple? agent and had a ton of money and so much fun

>>369227331

You can totally grind now, because of Skill Injectors. As long as you find a way to get money (thinking out of the box is advised), nothing is preventing you from buying Skill Points.

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>>369227791

What is it to explain? You dont need much at all to get into nullsec. If you wanna make easy and fast money then train exploration for 2 days and you can get out there in lowsec and do it.

You can do whatever the fuck you want bug the scale of those thing generally increase as you get better skills and money.

>>369228104
Not played for a while, what is all out?

>>369228104
That one guy who keep talking in /pol/ in chat.
Dam I'm pretty much uncle tom but fuck me I sure get tired of that shit.

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>>369227669
>EVE take months to acquire the most basic of shit you need to even leave the beginner area
surely you can't be serious

>>369228302
hey anon

has anyone told you about (((them))) yet?

>>369228302
Take a break, triggering retards in the scope is always fun.

>>369227791

Skills Points dosen't matter in the slightest compared to what it was before.
It almost never was a thing in fact, unless you wanted to focus solely on 1v1.

Usually you fly alongside others and ship type (skills is involved regarding what you can fly, but there's also more expensive version that are easily accessible skill-wise), fitting and strategy are much more important.

Also see >>369228069

>>369227843
>blasters
>tracking

>>369228329
There is no beginner area, but you literally can't hardly do anything for the first 6 months of the game and mining is a rookie trap perpetuated by some of the stupidest, most autistic, people you've ever seen. So it can actually take much longer than that depending on how much time you waste.

>>369228448
mining ops are comfy af

>>369228448
I started up a new alt last month
tactical destroyers are amazing and they took relatively little time to train into
mining is only effective in big fleets with boosts

>>369228448

This is 100% wrong. Everything with what your wrote just now is bullshit.

You can make a character and get into a nullsec alliance and be apart of the famous mega fights within a week of creating the character if you want.

>>369228508
If you push mining on new players you should kill yourself right fucking now.

If not then get a rorqual and bear in peace.

>>369228590
>Paying hundreds of dollars for skill injectors just to play the fucking game
stupid
>b-but you can use cruisers and frigates!
An die like the trash you are when bombers bar makes you their bitch.

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>>369228678

Wow, you are a special kind of autist, arent you?

You dont need skill injectors. I didnt use any until a year into playing.
Cruisers and frigate can do alot of shit in fleets. ECM, scram, web etc. you can basicly do whatever the fuck you want.
Too bad youre too lazy and autistic to realize this.

>>369228574
>tactical destroyers
these look nice. that jackdaw especially

but Ill probably still never play again

>>369228798
>Cruisers and frigate can do alot of shit in fleets. ECM, scram, web etc. you can basicly do whatever the fuck you want.

depending on the enemy fleet comp, you can probably even fly a combat cruiser/destroyer and try shooting down enemy frigates/destroyers

>>369228678
>If you push mining on new players you should kill yourself right fucking now.
Whats wrong with that? Easy money for an hour or two of work. Just sitting in an asteroid field making new friends.

>>369228714
It is when CCP wants to wow the carebears so they can say "I saw a real titan once!"

Those things are glorified asteroids.

>>369228798
>I didnt use any until a year into playing.
And I haven't used any nor needed any, ever, in 10 years of playing. you are a shitter.
>Cruisers and frigate can do alot of shit in fleets
I bomb people like you every day, please keep thinking this
>Too bad youre too lazy and autistic to realize this.
I want you to remember this post when you see a scorch bomb on your overview.

>>369227107

>i want to start playing a game and have the same stuff as people who have been playing for years in a month

modern mmo culture is trash. veterans should always be 10 steps ahead of you it gives you something to strive towards. nowadays vets hang around with noobs at capitals wearing the same hear with nothing to do

>>369229003
>2m isk
>its easy money! .....for an hours work
You make more begging for free shit in Jita local, highsec mining is a joke and so are people who push it on new players.

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>>369228906
you can do silly things with destroyers
this is only a few weeks training and it's practically a cruiser with a shorter range

>>369229078
>making new connections in the game
>bad
you must be one sad and alone shitter

>>369229078
Mining is not really a joke, It started me off got a few M bought exploration stuff and went WH and null exploring.

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What did they mean by this?

>>369227107
>>369227791
When have you idiots even last played this game?

Skill injectors exist for a reason.

God I swear /v/ knows absolutely ZERO about Eve

>>369229078
you can make a lot more money running easy L2's
mining is a nice comfy afk activity though
I personally don't do it since I extracted the skills long ago. A friend of mine likes to take breaks from running sites to mine for a few hours

>>369229012
>And I haven't used any nor needed any, ever, in 10 years of playing. you are a shitter.
You just proved my point. Skill injectors is an option but is far from required.
>I bomb people like you every day, please keep thinking this.
And i blow up bombers like you every day. please keep thinking this
>I want you to remember this post when you see a scorch bomb on your overview.
Im sure my Hel can handle your lonely little scorch bomb, friend.

>>369229078
>>369229319
mining sucks
a beginner should do career agent shit, then use the money from it to outfit a t1 exploration frigate and train some relevant skills. within a few days he can run lowsec data sites and make approximately 10 times more money than a miner

a newbie should go for a corp asap. Eve by yourself easily gets really boring. In a corp/alliance the game really shows what its capable of, imo.

>>369229517
most miners will say the exact same thing
It isnt the best way to get money, you should do the career stuff, If you enjoy mining you can do it but there are plenty of stuff to do.

>>369229517
>mining sucks

tell that to the people in my corp that run 15 rorquals at the same time in null

>>369229182
>wanting to be friends with autistic morons
I bet you stay in an NPC corp because you're scared shitless of getting your ass handed to you.

>>369229235
>2m isk/h
>Thorax: 8m aka 4 hours
>Harbinger: 45m aka 22.5 hours
>Raven: 140m aka 70 hours
>Thanatos: 1.2b aka 600 hours

>Meanwhile
>Incursions: 100m isk/h
>Missions: 50m isk/h
>Scaming retarded miners: Priceless
>Ganking crybaby idiots who wont defend themselves: Worth every penny

Don't be a miner.

>>369229615
even the most autistic pirate corps have mining divisions

>>369229614
>mining in a venture is as fun as literally inhaling asteroids and farting out isk

>>369229615
>harbinger
>thorax
>thanatos
get with the meta
VNI and niddy
battlecruisers are old news

>>369229614
>15 rorquals
Never seen a brand new player fly 15 rorquals before, I'll start telling them to do that since evidently its so fucking accessible you massive retard.

I tried this game for free and found exploration to be fun, but it got too fucking tedious to actually find good loot sites out there

the only mining i do is sitting in high sec with 5 acolytes around a procurer with strip miners on veldspar while i afk playing a VN.

>>369229983
did you venture out into low/nullsec?
I started off with exploration in highsec, got bored and went into null and got 100mill sites every now and then.

>>369229983
Exploration is a great moneymaker for new people. Gotta get out into null asap. The competition in high sec is too big and the sites there are completely worthless, lowsec has lots of quiet areas but the loot is not great still.

It's really all about null (well, or WHs) with exploration. And data sites suck compared to relic ones.

>>369230135
Its hard to do exploration in WH unless you have some ship to clear the rats that tends to be there. Dont think ive seen the rats in nullsec though.

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>tfw I collected well over 170 billion in killed freighters and other industrial ships during Burn Jita

>>369229012
>10 years of playing
Jesus christ
you could have used that time to be a full time autist at a stock broker firm or something and have a six figures salary already

>>369230213
relic/data sites in class 1 to 3 wormholes (the pirate sites, don't do anything sleeper) will not have rats

but yes WHs can be dangerous because there is always a cloaky proteus right next to you and you have no local chat.

>>369230314
Youre probably right about that.

Lived in WH for a while. The paranoia got to me too much. Nullsec is better for me. Local <3

>>369230313
I already make 6 figures, hence my disdain for plebians.

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>>369230230

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>>369230313

Reminder that All-Out is all out of members.

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Who here /sex machine/

>>369227791
1) You can invest money you earn in game into skill injectors which cancel out the waiting.
2) It always takes very little time to get to 80% efficiency in a skill relative to the 100% train
3) Skills are arranged so that it doesn't take long to max one specific category, like if you spend a few months maxing frigate skills you'll be at the same levels as a 10 year vet. The vet will have more things to fly but his skills won't make him fly them any better than you.
3) game knowledge and piloting trump skillpoints every single time. A day 1 character in a frigate could kill a 10 year old player in a battleship given the right circumstances (extreme retardation)

Hope that helps

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>playing EVE in the current years when Star Citizen is just around the corner

>>369230925
Can't wait to watch the mass suicides when that game ends up bombing

>>369229012
>Cruisers and frigate can do alot of shit in fleets
I bomb people like you every day, please keep thinking this

implying the people you bomb are retards because they are flying frigs and cruisers and not because they get hit by bombs. I've been playing for like 4 years and never been killed by a bomb.

>>369231034
Post your main and we can fix that

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>>369230992

>>369227107
you can buy skill point injectors from other players

>>369231078
https://zkillboard.com/character/545094828/

>>369231137
no_u.jpg

>>369231078
Ask your mom, she'll be here later.

>FUKKEN REKT

>>369230925
>runs on a engine with more duct tape holding extra bits of code on than source

>>369230925
>implying Star Citizen is ever gonna be finished.

kekkek

>>369231280
You snuggly ass motherfucker

>>369230925
>star citizen
>eve
you may as well compare apples to beef
star is more similar to elite dangerous.
eve is an online MMO asshole sim.
star looks a bit more like elite with more meat.

>>369231486
Come bomb me faggot

>>369231562
It's coming, just you wait.

> and then he would never leave his carrier ever again

>>369229615
Is that you Mandalore?

>>369231672
>leave his carrier
>his carrier
>carrier

Super carrier would be more accurate.

>>369231760
> I'll prove he can't bomb me
> I'll just sit in this flying brick for the rest of eternity
This is gonna be fun

Just started playing this. What skills should I level up first?

>>369227843
You got kited by a long range missileship while you were in a blaster boat you fucking retard.

Not even someone with max skillpoints could win in that situation.

>>369231828
>i am bad man. i bomb people. if youre in a frig/cruiser watch out!

Mr mosquito.

>>369230925
>just pay 100$ for a skin for a frigate-tier ship
>skin is one-time use btw
Nice game.

What's the best ship for people who want to solo roam null and be as annoying and deadly as fuck without getting caught

>>369230925
>playing mario when you could play ridge racer

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>>369230925

>Star Citizen
>around the corner

>AROUND THE CORNER

>>369231867

Google "EVE Exploration Skills" and get easy money

>>369232148
Astero or Stratios maybe.

>>369232357
Astero can get some pretty freaky fucking tank.

>>369232148
Anything with a cloak
>Enter nullbabby ratting system
>Cloak up
>go afk
>hundreds of ragemails, local full of tears and billions of ISK bounty

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>>369232187
>around the corner

>>369232148
A T3 with cloak and interdiction nullification subsystem is pretty much the only thing that fits your description.

Other options will be able to get caught much easier, or simply won't be "deadly as fuck".

>>369232148

Roaming null without getting caught while still being some kind of threat, there's not a lot of options, because you need bubble immunity likely.

Interceptor (Ares, Taranis, Stiletto, Claw, Malediction...) are the way to go but i'm not sure there is that much target for such a small ship in null. You could also fly an nullified (bubble-immune) T3 but it's much more expensive and demanding in term of Skills.

You would probably have more fun in low-sec, there's no bubble there and more options are avaible for smal scale pvp and hunting careless preys.

Having said that, with the change coming for bubbles (1 week decay for Tech II), maybe we'll see a lot less in null.

>>369232357
hmm I guess with some nano shield fit they are reasonable quick too
I've got a dual rep armor fit astero but it's not very quick, so 1 bait ship and it's over

>>369232148
Enjoy spending years and the equivalent of hundreds of dollars to be slightly annoying and then pathetically die to some pseudo-AFK nullbears at some shitty gate.

There is some uncatchable guy in our null who only flies in a stealth bomber and the only thing he does is scan down MTUs on a scanner alt and kill them.

He plays so cautiously that he is not catchable, he has a ceptor alt bring him new ammo too so he hasn't left the system for months.

It's funny.

>>369232934
>It's funny.
Won't be so funny when one day he lights a cyno and PL kills half of your alliance's ratting supers.

>>369233263
Nah man he's been here for so fucking long. It's some autistic Korean guy.

That would be the longest long-con ever.

>>369233263
wait arent PL about to dissolve?

>>369227017
This game is great

>>369233263
Gay for Jay

>>369232934
Why not just scan and then refit

>>369230130
>>369230135
yea I went to a bunch of nullsecs and lowsecs, even wormholes since they were really common. I don't think I've found anything good in any wormhole I've visited.
Mostly found junk in lowsecs and the one thing I tried to hack in nullsec(after spending a shitton of time of finding it) killed me by explosion

>>369233427
Are you a alpha or Omega?

>>369233427
Oh you found a ghost site, those explode when you don't do them in 2 minutes or less

>>369232934
How fucking hard is it to catch a stealth bomber when you know he hunts MTUs specifically? He'll have to be within 2.5k to scoop the loot so you can very easily decloak and catch him with some sabres.

>>369233579
He doesn't scoop the loot. He decloaks about 120k from the mtu in any random direction, pre-aligned to a safe and warps out instantly if anything shows up

>>369233686
uh, he just destroys MTU's?

>>369233872
yes, it's his life

>>369233686
That's something very weird to do for zero payoff.

Someone must be funding this autistic venture.

>>369233686
Based Korean autist keeping space free of junk.

>>369233992
He probably has a main somewhere else.

I mean to be fair what he does is not exactly expensive, all he needs is to ship in a few more torps every other day.

>>369233579
Because torpedoes on a stealth bomber have really long range so he can sit like 50km and rain on it and there's no much you can do to stop him without overly elaborate setups to catch one dinky frig

>>369227791
Eve online is a complex game of rock, paper & scissors where the skill points only come to play when you both happen to fly scissors.

>>369233992
You get the loot from the MTU which depending on the site can be very expensive

>>369234087
What i mean is, he must be getting something out of this. Maybe someone is paying him or he is collecting your alliance members' tears from local and it entertains him.

Or what I think is even more likely is he's an alt of one of your members trying to reduce the ratting competition in that system.

>>369234165
>not flying rocks
please report to biomass reclamation

>>369233361
Are you serious? I hope you're not joking because I might actually start playing the game again if the cancer legion is gone from the game.

>>369234528
well they are a revolving door and they have lost a lot of members

but hey we can always hope

>>369234528
What have they done to you?

I used to be in PL

>>369234812
What have they done to Eve you mean?

Crashing every fucking fight involving more than 10 people with their entire capital fleet.

>>369234927
I see what you mean, it can be hard for anyone in reach of them to have some fun without being crushed by a cap drop

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>EVE Online

Don't bother. It's as pay-2-win as the grindiest Korean grindfest, it's just time-gated rather than effort-gated.

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Eve is a really cool game that sounds really cool in concept but in practice it's a fucking snorefest because CCP introduced too many things to make living in Nullsec convenient.

Jump Freighters and Cynos were a mistake.

>>369233361
What, PL just picked up two new corps. And they're bullying goons roq's so hard that goons ping to get safe when ever they undock.

>tfw ratting in my new carrier making about 40-45 mil every 20 minutes before faction or dread spawns

not bad

>>369235167
How about you try living in best space, Wormholes.

>>369235172
i heard they have been losing many active people though
but hey at least they fucking with the goons so thats nice

>>369235346
Not nice :(

>>369232148
Astero/Stratios
If you can afford it, a fully and properly fitted, interdiction nullified T3 cruiser.

Astero's are slippery as fuck, you will literally never get caught in one unless you jump into a HIC gatecamp with instalocking svipul cancer.

Like me, yesterday, with 200m in loot.

>>369235134
At least in Eve you will lose your shiny pay2win ship if it dies making you a poorfag again.

Brilliant design by CCP really.

>>369235295
Living in wormholes was literally impossible for someone who spoke English, had a normal sleep schedule and lived in a +8 GMT time zone while I was playing. Literally every corp that was "active" at those hour was actually "well maybe someone will be online but in reality you're going to be ship spinning alone because nobody play at those hours".

Can one Svipul alpha a ceptor?

It seems impossible, can't get far over 2.2k volley

>>369235473

Very fucking unlikely, unless the 'ceptor was shitfit and/or retarded.

>>369235473
Try adding skill hardwires if you haven't already? Faction Ammo?

>>369235583
Got that
>>369235546
I guess I need a second volley, then. So I need not only a ton of scan res (might use an alt to remote sebo me) but I also need possibly multiple points to overcome 1 or 2 warp core stabs

If I overheat I could fire off a second volley after only ~5 seconds, unless he instantly tries to crash the gate (I doubt it, he should feel secure enough) that should work

>>369235473
Realistically, no.

Maybe if it has no tank mods and the pilot has very low support skills.

>>369235167
When I hear stories from EVE battles it really makes me want to play, but then I also keep hearing that battles of this size are literally once in a lifetime.

I remember trying EVE about 6-7 years ago, enjoyed it for the time I was playing and joined a null corp which made it even more fun, but when you've killed a few people and mined a few asteroids I just asked myself why the fuck am I playing this?

I was hyped when they announced the FPS game too because it was linked to the EVE world. Turned out to be shit but I thought they would eventually expand on it allowing exploration, movement on planets/stations/ships etc but the whole idea is just a dream really.

>>369235389
the Confessor is also really good. I resubbed with a brand new character not long back and trained for it immediately since it's sexy as fuck, I was running 4/10 DED sites with it without breaking a sweat. 250 DPS at 65km with long range crystals, 600 DPS at 20km with short. Fucking amazing little ship for a new player.

>>369235930
>4/10 ded sites

how much does that make you though

>>369227215
>>369228371
>train something simple: frigates
>your party of 5M frigates will mostly find cruisers and T3s
Power creep is the worst issue with the skills.

>>369229058
Deep MMOs are about loss and gain, like a condensed life sim. At no point does "train skills without doing anything" sound like a fun experience. A corp can't have politics without skill points, but that's the whole point; so why do they exist?

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>there will never be a sandbox MMO set in medieval times with the production quality of EVE

>>369235882
The stories are good. The fights themselves are not.

You can literally read a book while you "fight" in one of those battles because time slows down with that many players in one system.

>>369235982
Bad loot gets you nothing, but you can get Pirate implants if you're lucky and they're anywhere from 50 to 400m each. Plus there's the random faction/Deadspace loot which can vary in value from 5 to 500m. Not bad money for newer players by any means.

>>369235930
holy fuck this
the hecate sucks ass compared to the confessor

>>369235882
>I also keep hearing that battles of this size are literally once in a lifetime.
Yes they are rare and only serve as PR. They also don't mention that in those battles they turn on lag machine so every action you take has 5 minute delay.

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Wow, I think this is the first EVE thread I've seen on /v/ in at least a year or two. I actually kind of regret quitting back in 2010ish, but the sheer waste of potential was so frustrating. I've thought about getting back into it since but the longer time goes by the more the knowledge of all that lost SP and that my skills are 100% degraded means I probably won't. I don't regret the years I put in either though, it was the last surviving MMO of an older, more creative and truly ambitious/massive era before WOW and then f2p korean shit caused the entire industry to turn into a general wasteland. If only CCP had stayed more competent.

>>369236101
The hecate is a fucking disgrace. It's little more than a glorified catalyst.

>tfw Minmatar and Gallente have shit tier skins compared to Caldari and Amarr

It's not fair.

Minmatar needs a purity of the throne style all white line. Would look great on many of those ships.

>an all white Hel

>>369235882
http://evf-eve.com/services/brcat/?s=4046&b=7444140&e=151&t=fbvvvffaaaaaq

1800 players, happened a week ago.

https://imperium.news/supercap-brawl-in-f7c-h0-destroys-over-750-billion/

>>369229283
Overpriced. A full set of skills would cost like $25k.

>>369236178
Eve is a rather special game.
It's probably one of the LEAST suited games to talk or post about on /v/.

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Once or twice I've seen posts talking about battles in EVE. Not the usual battles, but fuckhuge balls of ships and lasers, big enough to strain the hardware that keeps EVE running.

What's it like to be a part of one of those, and how does something that big even happen?

>>369236323
>What's it like to be a part of one of those
Boring, because in order for the servers to die everything is slowed down to 1/100 speed.

>and how does something that big even happen?
Mostly because nullblobs are bored because hotdropping dudes in T1 ships with Titans gets old after you've spent 3 months doing it, so they hot drop a bait ship from another blob and that other blob drops more ships then the first one drops more then the other one calls their friends, and all their friends pile on because they're all bored of ganking newfags too.

>>369236323
>What's it like to be a part of one of those
The Alpha Autist orders you to ctrl+click an enemy and then press F1. If he's fancy he'll call two or three targets.

This happens once about every 5-10 minutes in the really big battles because your guns fire that slowly in that giant lagfest.

>>369236273
There was a period where we had some fun with it on /v/ back in like 2009. Good threads and it was reasonably fun fucking around with /v/ in an alt for like 6 months before the whole thing naturally imploded, though I still have fond memories of some of the successor fragments.

I don't think I agree that EVE is inherently unsuitable for discussion on /v/ though, but for some reason the shitpost memes (ZZZzzZZ, spreadsheets, etc) are incredibly persistent for it and tend to get spammed every fucking time. It's weird actually it always inspired that kind of hostility, it's gold covered in shit to some extent but there really is gold in the middle, an experience that I've never been able to find anywhere else when it's at its best. You really always had to make your own fun though, maybe that's the hang up.

At any rate best of luck to all you who still play. May the loot gods be generous rather then horribly cruel.

>>369236323
see
>>369236215

Really it comes down to groups of players with overwhelming numbers vs groups of players with overwhelming numbers. Though sometimes it's groups of players with overwhelming numbers vs groups of players with massive balls.

There are assets in the game worth attacking and defending, usually these are structures like Citadels (Space stations that act as a groups home base/staging point) and Player owned Starbases (PoSes) which are anchored to moons. Moons with starbases on them can use a harvester to harvest very valuable resources from the moon. These resources provide groups a source of income that can be used for services such as insurance.

It is the attack and defense of these assets are are the common cause for the large battles, though at times, less unconventional causes may happen.

>>369236180
Yeah, wasted my time training into one of those.
At least getting the gunnery support skills helped my confessor training though.

Is the Rifter good again yet?

The factions all sound so boring.

>>369236323
Like the others have said the real fun of EVE isn't the gigantic huge blobfests unless you've got really niche strategic tastes (there are guys like actual real world diplomats and business c-levels who play and the fun for them really is in grand strategy over months/years, personnel management and growth, etc). The fights themselves don't tend to be that interesting which is actually similar to IRL classic naval fights, the "interesting" part was more at the level of the pilots/mechanics/etc, all the grunts and lower level, if you were commanding it from a safe flagship you'd be a lot more detached, it's work.

No more most of us the real fun is solo or small gang stuff, particularly in wormholes. Or in good nullsec small raids where you have a skilled small group and get the right amount of luck to get some good fights/kills and see how far you can go (sometimes you might even make it home). There's the thrill of the successful rich hunt, or pulling off some corp heist or betrayal or hunting down some profitable person or something. Or there are even some cool old places to explore still. But it's "real" and that's the curse/blessing: nobody will ever give you anything major, you can't just go out and expect an easy/valuable fight, you've got to actually earn it. Which often translates into "90% research/waiting, 10% action". That's too niche for most people, but that 10% can be pretty magical too if you're the right type.

>still no caldari x minmatar pirate faction and ships
>multiple gallente x minmatar and gallente x caldari factions

why is this allowed

>>369237051
Player "factions" (Corporations/Alliances/Coalitions) are the only ones that matter. They are anything but boring.

>>369237051
Space catholics that purge and burn the unholy, enslave space niggers, use fucking lasers as their weapon systems and basically have a giant penis as a flagship is boring?

What were the empires' tax policies?

>>369237239
Not to be a fedora tipper but I hate factions that worship muh god. I chose the one that is based on meritocracy.

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>>369236872
>that one guy that accidentally jumped his titan instead of jumping the other ships
>that snowballing into a clusterfuck

>>369237191
>shields and shields xD

when I quit a few years back I had around 80 billion, is that even still much money or has currency inflated even more since then? would it be enough to use skill injectors to catch back up a bit?

>>369227017

This game is almost dead because of shit playerbase and design.

Rest in spaghetti never forghetti

>>369237356
>hurr gallente and amarr are armor and armor

this is you

>>369237358
catch up to what

>>369237356
paper ewar & arty bonus ship? I'd fly it.

>>369237358
That's still a ton of money.

Did you really quit this game while sitting on 80bil?
What do I gotta do to get that from you?

>>369237253
Every Alliance/Corp tax differently, corps usually have small member taxes for types of taxes that can be automated, market fees and npc bounty payouts are the most common. Alliances may tax corps part of the profit they make from moon harvesters, and that's usually it.

>>369237454
catch up to having lost a few years worth of sp. I know they've introduced new ship classes and such since I stopped, would I just be able to insta train those up to 4 at least for example?

>>369236235
Bullshit.
You can legitimately buy characters at about 1.5 mil SP per billion ISK, anyway.

>>369237553
The majority of new ships are smaller ones with SP modifiers of <5.

>>369237553
Skill injectors are almost not worth using on characters past 80mil SP. so it really depends on how much SP you have, despite that, sure, 80 bil is a shit load of isk and you can buy whatever skills you want.

>>369237553
you didnt lose shit, everything is still there and nobody is in a genuine race against each other

and yeah i guess you could but it would be a big waste if you ask me, because of the diminishing returns on how much sp you already have

>Get into EVE
>Just a bunch of American, Russian, Chinese and various EU faggots that control various parts of the systems
>Gotta spend 9-12 months to train various shit get into a cool ship and do stuff on my own and with a small gang of friends
>"Hurr you only need 1 month to get into a small shit ship so you can be a nobody in huge null-sec battles!!!!!!"

Fuck you guys.

>>369236064
>eve
>production quality
Loving every laugh.

>>369237804
You really do only need 1 month to be effective with a small ship. It's your own problem you only want to fly a capital.

Why the fuck is everyone so obsessed about participating in huge nullsec battles? most fun I've had was prowling around lowsec with some buddies.

>>369237904
Because they have no friends to play with so they think Nullsec blobs are where to find them.

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>>369227017
tried getting into the game 3 times
its boring, its empty
you never know what people you can take on or you cant
its a case of "make up your own fun"

>>369237904
They don't know yet.

Large engagements are the LEAST fun ones.

Small scale or solo stuff is where it's at.

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>>369237514
>That's still a ton of money.
good to know. Makes it very very mildly more likely I might pick the game back up this year.

>Did you really quit this game while sitting on 80bil?
Yeah, I had a serious medical issue (genetic linked heart disorder) that knocked me out of doing much of anything for a few years and required various bits of surgery, it was not quite even odds that I was going to die or anything but it was not low either. And once a few years had gone by already it became progressively harder to get back into some of my old stuff.

>What do I gotta do to get that from you?
You joke (sort of, I'm sure you'd like it) but I might have given it all away to former corpmates or something years ago if I'd literally ever even logged in again even once. I feel bad about letting people down too actually which is another reason I never went back. Now though at least I know it's still something, a lot of my other assets are probably all gone and all my skills are rusted to hell. I think I quit sitting in a t3 in w-space somewhere.

>>369237904
I can't get any buddies to join me in game so either solo or blob is all I have.

>>369237864
name 1 other sandbox with the amount of love put into EVE?

>>369237804
Don't blame us you're retarded.

>>369237804
>he doesn't fly with his friends in T1 frig gangs while his t2 and support skills train up
>he doesn't pvp with his friends in FW where working as a team will allow you to fuck over others

It takes literally 2 weeks to be able to decently fly a T1 frig and start pvping, faggot.

>>369237904
Low/small-gang null is fucking based.

>>369237898
I'm not talking about Capitals.

>>369238018
Don't blame me for the retarded game design.

>>369238028
Yeah and then the enemy has better and more skills, a better ship and takes me out ASAP.

What does it matter if I fly a fucking Tengu with max skills and get blown the fuck out by others with better ships.

>>369238164
that's not how the Rock Paper Scissors match-up of small ships goes. The only time "moar skillz" matter is in a tie ala Rock v Rock brawling.

Outside of that it's knowledge and mechanical ability and execution. Which you obviously tried to learn nothing of.

>>369238164
>I'm not talking about Capitals.
Yes you are. Well, okay, either you are or you're retarded. Sorry for assuming.

>>369238015
If you're at all not shit and put in some effort you should be able to find groups in game that'd be glad to have you onboard. It just takes time if you've got no out-of-game or IRL connections because naturally people are paranoid. That's why a lot of corps are linked to some site, forum, IRC channel or something, makes for a form of pre-vetting, pseudo-anon identify verification, and possible avenue for out of game retribution.

I played solo for a long time too though and it's rough going to some extent, you're missing out on a lot if you can't get at least a few buddies.

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Any of you faggots ever piloted a titan?

Was it worth it?

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>>369238018
>ccp
>love
You are a real joker anon.

Shadowbane for example when it was current and active. Acheron's Call still have the most gameplay TECHNOLOGY and developer love out of any mmo in the market past or present.

>>369238164
Can't blame us for your shitty piloting and lack of PVP skills m8.
Properly fit Tengus can tank entire fleets if you know what and how to fly them.

I started playing a few months ago, joined a null blob and did what I could to farm ISK. Now I'm in a carrier ratting to make my own money.

>>369238018
>love
Anon please you sound like a fag and your shit's all retarded.

Fact of the matter is, CCP genuinely lucked out with Eve online. They have demonstrated their ineptitude time and time again in a variety of ways, from gamebreaking patches to developers giving stuff to their real life friends (though that has been a while).

Literally ALL of CCP's other projects have failed, rather spectacularly I might add.

They struck gold with Eve because it fills a niche that no game ever tried to fill, but they are a shit tier developer and have time and time demonstrated they don't understand their own game or their playerbase.

>>369238164
>Flying a Tengu
>Dying to literally anything short of 3+ Carriers and a Dread

A tengu can tank almost anything in the game.
https://youtu.be/UIdXWORrreM?t=336

>>369238164
You're just bad. There is a counter for anything, and intel and situational awareness and piloting ability is also a critical part of solo/small gang pvp. You're supposed to judge your matchups, how things are going, who else is around, your chances etc.

It's fine if you just aren't skilled and too shit to ever git gud, in that case solo/small gang pvp isn't for you. It's a different set of skills then a lot of other games, nothing wrong with preferring those instead. It's not EVE's fault however either that you're doing it wrong.

>>369238367
I don't have the time to play every day and join fleets with any sort of consistency, I'm fairly new to the game so my killboard is mostly red, etc.

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>>369227017
>six years ago
>thought this looked kind of cool
>recently announced plans for out-of-ship activities on stations and such
>oh neat, I'll wait until that gets added
>mfw

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I know that the question has been probably asked like 1000 times already, but it needs to be answered once more: in what reasonable time a F2P player can potentially get enough ISK to buy a PLEX? I know that you can potentially get a plex from an extended trial if you know what you do, but that was before F2P, I assume the PLEX prices have risen since then to accommodate new people.

>>369237804
>register an account
>first day playing
>1 hour later you're flying with BRAVE and having fun
???

>>369238601
Literally never. The price of PLEX will rise quicker than you earn money.

>>369238601
Do NOT rush to buy plex with ISK early on.

It can be done depending on who you join and what you do, but you will hate yourself for every moment of it.
It will take you so long to farm a PLEX right off the bat that it will feel like the worst kind of way-below-minimum wage job.

Don't even think about it for the first few months.

>>369238601
It depends on how are you going to earn it.
If you luck out on exploration - maybe one week, assuming you know what you are doing.

>>369238379
becoming cap pilot was greatest mistake i made in eve
sold account pretty quickly though
subcap is love, subcap is life

>>369238601
How much do you want to no-life it?

You can do it in a few weeks if you know what you're doing.

>>369237898
In 1 month you at most will be effective at being a cannon fodder in tackler, you won't be able to effectively run plexes, you won't be able to effectively run wh/0.0 exploring, you won't be able to effectively run lvl4 missions, you won't be able to effectively to logistic support...

>>369238720
I know this, this is just a question about whether PLEX prices have risen asked in a roundabout way. I've seen some people do it, and I found it to be too tedious to enjoy, so I won't try anyway

>>369238601
My knowledge is out of date but frankly I'd recommend against planning for that. Maybe if you've got some experienced in-game buddies who can (and are willing) to pull you or if you get an insane bit of luck, but otherwise the problem is that everything else would be a gigantic fucking grind and suck up all your isk that you should be using as a newbie for fun.

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>>369238601
I've got mine in a week.
I knew what I'm doing though. If you're total noob playing for PLEX is a waste of time.

>>369238601
If you go to nullsec and do VNI ratting or exploration there successfully, you'll be able to PLEX yourself in about 15 or so hours of proper grind.

>>369238686
You are one dumbass motherfucker.

Plex price has dropped by about 20% since the game went free to play.

>>369238838
Eh, they're at about 1bil each right now.

You could join up with a big alliance, move there and salvage behind some oldfag and make like, I don't know, maybe 40-50 mil an hour or something, maybe a bit more.

So it's not undoable at all but you just don't want to do that early on.

>>369238654
>joining BRAVE after they become PA meatshield

You either didn't read about them much or have zero self respect.

>>369238827
You're just pretending to be retarded now, aren't you.

Go whine how you're too good for anything smaller than a battleship somewhere else.

So did they ever get around to removing OGB like they always said they would?

>tfw one of our logi pilots is female and has the hottest voice I've ever heard on a girl
>can't mention it

muh

>>369239007
I don't care much about eve politics, so I have no idea what you've just said or implied.

>Love mining
>Love Sci-Fi
>Love mining in Sci-Fi
>It's actually not a profitable job in Eve

Fuck.

>>369239131
OGB are removed.

It's replaced with an AoE buff similar to how smartbombs work.

>>369239230
are you pretending to be retarded? just making

>>369239131
Yeah. They're like AOE temporary buffs now.

>>369239230
Mining is very profitable in Eve.
Join a null alliance, get in a procurer or some shit and start mining mercoxit.

Can also do ice mining especially now that those prices are rising.

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>>369239230
wait what. Mining is not profitable in Eve?
wat

>>369239253
Neat.jpg. Did it do anything to solve the lowsec HG Snakes Garmur with Loki OGB cancer?

>>369239230
>not a profitable job in Eve
But the minerals you mine are literally free.

>>369239014
Go do sleeper exploring with 1 month of skills and show us the proof how you get it done and get away with the loot.

Go ask if anybody wants your sorry ass with 1 month of logistical shit for anything actually logistical.

Go try to run 3/10 plexes and see how 1 month of skills will do for you

Go try to farm lvl4 missions with 1 month of skills and tell us your isk/h

>>369239329
Plebbest way to convert time to isk at a poor conversion rate.

>>369227017
Is that a fucking tower shield on a station?

>>369239137
In my experience, women with sexy voices look like bridge trolls.

>>369239226
>game about politics and metagame
>i don't care about politics
Why are you playing it then?

>>369239384
You can do forsaken hub anomalies in a VNI after just 1-2 months no problem at all

>>369239230
If you're willing to get through a somewhat long training queue and drop ~12 billion isk, you can mine in a Rorqual and make money in the hundred millions.

>>369239384
>Go try to run 3/10 plexes and see how 1 month of skills will do for you

Nigger you can train for a Confessor with T2 guns in a month and it can do anything up to 5/10's. it shits all over 3/10 sites in under 10 minutes with even basic skills.

>>369239398
Have you ever heard of a Rorqual, sir?

>>369239329
>>369239398
>not mining all the fucking veldspar and dumping 5000 shuttles in fuck off nowhere.
its like you dont even EVE

>>369239384
>Go try to run 3/10 plexes and see how 1 month of skills will do for you
I'm doing it right now with 2 weeks of training total. Can't contest cruisers but doing alright anyway.

>>369239331
Yeah somewhat.

There are still autists that will buff their ship with an alt, then warp to a combat site or whatever so they will have the same advantage.

Although I haven't played in a while so that might have been changed. Though knowing CCP it probably hasn't.

Is searching for treasures and hacking them and getting the loot still profitable for a beginner?

>>369239631
Yes, exploration is very profitable for a beginner

>>369239384
You're one of those people who finds at least one cloud for every conceivable silver lining, aren't you.

>>369239631
Yes. Get a cloak on it asap and go to nullsec.

Got 100mill cargo after like 1-2 hours while doing it with a friend.

>>369239471
why, to blow up pixels, of course

What happened to the Drifter storyline?Seemed like an interesting story brewing.

Last I played CCP just seemed to go "fuck it" and forgot about it.

>>369239631
>>369239740
don't need a cloak if you are capable of pressing f10 and reading a basic 30 second guide on safe spots

>tfw addicted to skill injectors

I'm perpetually broke because I keep buying them whenever I have enough ISK

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4jQENEsbdk

>>369239968
I envy you. I can't scrounge up the will to make money anymore. I just sit in a fortizar and look at PI every few days now.

>>369240093
It comes and goes. Carrier Ratting is pretty comfy, I enjoy it. Might just do 1-3 hours of it then take a break.

>>369239631
Yes, but the trick is getting out with your loot alive and in one piece.

Made 200m in 30 mins of (very lucky) Sansha relic exploration.

Question to all the nerds still playing this.

How did those rorqual changes turn out? Did they truly rake in hundreds of million per hour? Are they getting blown up left and right?

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1. What is the best looking ship?
2. What is the worst looking ship?
3. Which ship is the most fun to fly?
4. Which ship would you love to fly but can't yet?

>>369239935
Of course you dont have to but as a new player spending 30mins to get so much safer might just be worth it in my book.

>>369240556
I thought alphas weren't allowed to use cloaking modules?

>>369240609
They are not, thats correct. I just assumed he was omega. My bad.

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>>369227197
>being there 10 years ago : to bad this game is shit now, you should have been here 5 minutes ago

>>369239537
>not selling corvetors only to gank them and sell to the same guy again
get your jew on

>>369230925
>>369231137
Can youp lease stop posting our presidents dog

>>369227669
>beginner area
Nigga what are you talking about?

>>369240460
1. my favourite ship
2. your favorite ship
3. the friendship
4. polaris frigate

So with everyone apparently ganking, ratting and just otherwise praying on others, how hard it is to survie? Who are you guys actually hunting, if everyone is a hunter?

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>>369240460
>1. What is the best looking ship?
There are lots. Crow, Caracal, Hurricane, Hyperion
>2. What is the worst looking ship?
Bellicose, Helios

>3. Which ship is the most fun to fly?
Svipul or an interceptor, or something with lots of rocket launchers since they look cool.

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>>369240952
>replying to shitposters who make it obvious they never played the game
They show up in every EVE thread despite the fact that EVE threads themselves only appear once in a blue moon. They post the same tired memes that are obviously immediately wrong to anyone who played for more then 5 minutes then enjoy the (you)s.

>>369241149
the thing is PvP in eve isn't remotely profitable and it's vastly harder to catch someone than it is to escape. That's why everyone says Eve is so boring, if you want to be a risk averse babby, you're basically immune to anything anyone else can do to you.

The flipside of this is nobody will ever fight unless they're 100% sure they're going to win, and that usually means they have a bunch of friends waiting for you to engage.

>>369227017
>take years to catch up with old fags
>or thousands of $
>and you still have grind the sht just to do some pvp/pve. Take hours to find any fcking content
>pve is boring as fck
>online now is 9000 accounts less than in 2011 and declining

Yeah, Anon . Give it a try

Beware around Minmatar africans.

>>369241319
>the thing is PvP in eve isn't remotely profitable
Wrong

Scavenging wrecks after battle can be immensely profitable.

>>369241337
>>369241317

>>369240460
1.anything thats not minmatar
2.all of minmatars shit
3. the venture in 1.0 sec
4. dramiel

>>369241254
How up to date is that chart? I see there's no t2 skins which is fair enough, though some of those are pretty sexy.

>>369240460
Objectively correct answers coming in

1. Hel, Megathron Navy Issue
2. Svipul
3. Garmur, Orthrus
4. Nightmare

>>369241671
Old. From what I understand they redesigned the Bantam, Probe, Slasher, and Thrasher.

Here's a neat ship/skin viewer, but I'm not sure how up to date it is: http://www.caldariprimeponyclub.com/

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You wouldn't fuck a spaceship.

>>369241557
>please play my game, please, please

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How long would it take me to get into a Titan?

I've played Korean MMOs for years so I don't have a problem with grinding if it gets me closer to the endgame.

>>369242536
Cant say i never would try.

>>369243217
You can't grindskills in Eve unless you grind isk to buy SP.
Either way about 2 years.

>>369242536
i wonder how the avatar looks like that

>>369243217
Fucking ages. More to the point though you're, well, missing the point. Titan is not "endgame" in EVE, lots of the oldest, richest and most experienced players barely bother with capitals at all let alone supercapitals. They have limited value, mainly for strategic and logistical use in large corps/alliances. Some of the most fun areas (like w-space) don't allow supercaps at all. It's not like other MMOs where there is some clear progression or low level stuff becomes useless by "endgame", even basic "starter" stuff is still fun and often useful for old players.

>>369243217
you queue up all the required skills you need and then unsub and wait for 4 years then resub and realise you wasted your life

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>>369243697
This
>tfw too scared to fly frigates in PvP because I feel like they take much more skill to use than slower, bulkier ships.

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>>369242536
I'd cyno jump with a spaceship.

>>369243217
Join karmafleet and be in one in less then 6months :^)))))))))))))))))))))

>>369227331
With just 2-3 months of skills you can start to have some quality fun in faction warfare. Corps will even give you a ship to go to battle in, fit it, and teach you to play. Faction warfare is a pretty good starting point for learning.

>>369243831
Frigate PvP is objectively harder than larger ship classes. That's actually half the problem with Eve, newer players are thrown into the hardest part of the game first, doing anything in Frigates, Destroyers or Cruisers without knowing how to speed tank or having a good idea of optimal ranges is really fucking hard.

>>369238907
investing 1 day of your life is waste of time?

>>369243831
That makes no sense though, yeah small ships take more actual skill, knowledge, and experience to fight well, but they're also CHEAP, cheap hulls, cheap fittings, and even getting a lot of sp into them is low multiplier. So it's fine to lose a ton of them practicing.

Just get into one with a blank clone and get out there and go roaming until you die. That's a big thing, get over the fear of loss and get out of your mold. Just fit up a basic frig half decent, bonus if you can get some friends, and cruise on out into lowsec/nullsec until everyone is destroyed. Do that a few times and you'll start to learn some stuff and get over the initial loss aversion, then you can start to put in some time on the experimental server or in highsec with a few corp mates or whatever practicing optimal range and shit.

>>369229248
BBBBRRRAAAAAAPPPP

Which online game has the most edgy edgelords ever and why is it EVE?

>>369243217
seriously dont even bother

>>369241149

>Who are you guys actually hunting, if everyone is a hunter?

I'd say less than 10-15% of the player-base is made of hunters. There's plenty of preys everywhere. Baits are a thing though.

>>369227017
played it for years until I realised everyone in that game is just a risk-adverse fun-hating faggot.
It's just a money-counting job simulator, but if you're into it then fair enough.

Also Miners are cancer. All they fucking wanna do is just mine all the time. They earn such shit money and lose so many mining barges they end up pissing it all away into buying more mining ships so they can mine more. Then if they ever actually buy a combat ship they always buy the largest, most expensive dumbest thing in the fucking station and never fly it, or lose it first time a frigate shows up on grid.

>>369227107
>not knowing how Eve works
if you think your character's skills stop you from ever being gud then you should prob just learn to play.

>>369227447
this

>>369227843
>actually engaging a Garmur or any pirate faction ship
you deserve to be removed from the gene pool desu senpai

>>369243929
I'd fuck that Raven.
Wonder how the Orthrus and Garmur would look like.

>>369247008
To be fair it's pretty hard to get away from a garmur if it catches you

>>369246925

>Also Miners are cancer. All they fucking wanna do is just mine all the time. They earn such shit money and lose so many mining barges they end up pissing it all away into buying more mining ships so they can mine more.

Now they multi-box Rorquals, apparently that was pretty good money. So much that CCP nerfed yield twice, first by 20% then 25%.

Now they cry...

>>369243617
Gay ?

>>369244218
this

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>>369247301
The nerfs were good for the game i think. Too much mined too little time.

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>Whole point of eve is to get money
>So you can get a bigger ship
>So you can get more money
>But once you have the ship you want, there is no longer reason to get money

Game fell apart for me once I got the salvage ship I wanted. Spent a while jumping into pvp hotspots and salvaging people's wrecks, scooping up drones and occasiionally scanning down mission runners.

Eve is dying because they failed to give players a reason to keep playing once they have a good ship

>>369248440
Build relationships, backstab others, make others sad by non-consensual PVP, explore, troll nullbears, do anything you want desu.

Killing explorers is so much more fun as you scoop their shiny 250 mil loot pinatas and realize somebody else spent a few hours running sites for that, and you ruined his/her day.

Best tears imo.

>>369248440
It's only that if you make it that. What if you measure your success in kills?

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>>369227107
>You can not catch up to any player that started before you: The game.

Nah. I thought that when I first started, then I scammed ~270b ISK, invested it, ended up with about 700b, and RMTed it all for $4k USD when I got bored with the game.

During that time I bought a ton of different skilled characters to play with, a few with 70m SP at the same time. It's a grindy game though, I can't in good faith recommend it. Way too much waiting around for something to happen.

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Someone help me, how do I fix this capacitor shit? I'm doing one of the advanced military missions and need to fix a shit with this civilan booster

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>try out even
>kinda like it
>never really grasp the concept of d-scan, probes etc
>just give up eventually

i feel like the UI and game mechanics of eve are so out of this world it requires a lot of dedication to learn all the trick, ins and outs of it

>>369249947
spend 20 minutes of time on youtube on the subject and you got it down.

However the fact that that is kind of needed isnt the best.

>>369249947
You're not alone, they made it needlessly convoluted.

I gave up in 2011 after I recognized it was becoming like a job

Started with red moon rising

Now that I look back I wasted so much time on internet spaceships it reminds me not to get trapped playing video games and enjoy life

>>369249681

Capacitor Recharger I x 4

Reactor Control Unit I

>>369237191
Gameplay-wise that's exactly what Mordu's Legion is. Fast missile shield paper tigers.