>phone gaming brought in only $1.8 billion less than PC and

>>364769323

That's why they don't make vinyls anymore either.

No. If all else fails we will always have indie PC games to fall back on.

Our wives' sons will probably only play tablet mobas and tank games.

>>364769323
microtransactions in free mobile games with non-existent development are more profitable

Only reason mobile games are raking in cash is because of the microtransaction business model. It's so easy to spend money without realizing it, because it's just 99 cents at a time. There's a few huge companies that just shit out these cash grabs, and people get them to have some casual fun on their phones when they aren't busy.

It's not really an indication of the quality of the product, just the intelligence of the business model and marketing. Mobile gaming is getting so big that there are actual TV ads for free-to-play games. I don't think it'll ever actually replace mainstream gaming though, as it's a different market.

>>364769860
What is more mainstream: Skyrim or Clash of Clans?

>>364769950
In my social circle it'd be Skyrim, and I think overall it's a more well known title. This is just personal experience talking though.

People don't look at mobile games like Clash of Clans the same way they look at "real" games like Skyrim. One is a game that you have to devote time to sitting down and playing, the other is something you do on your phone while you're waiting for the bus.

I do think in the future as handheld technology improves, there'll be less distinction between "real" games and casual games, because phones and tablets and such will be able to do both. It won't be the end of gaming on PC or consoles though, just more options.

/v/ is too quick to jump in and lament the end of gaming, as opposed to looking at it as a new era with more options and opportunities.

>make lots of great new content
>it costs money to make
>might not sell

or

>spend a couple million on a mobile skinner box
>put in health/fuel/whatever mechanics so that people either have to watch ads to keep playing free, buy more time, or wait for the slow as fuck regen

>>364769323
>only $1.8 billion less
>$1.8 billion
>only
you people are retarded.

>>364770809

When you're doing 40 billion a year in business, a difference of 1.8 billion between competing markets is a dead heat, anon.

>>364770332
>I do think in the future as handheld technology improves, there'll be less distinction between "real" games and casual games, because phones and tablets and such will be able to do both.
The problem is that smartphones suffer from poor curation for games, and that's really the only area that the 3DS and Vita beat smartphones in. Smartphones were shiting on the 3DS and and matched the Vita spec wise at the time of release. If curation wasn't a problem for smartphones then we would have seen controller attachments for smartphones and smartphones with built in controllers take off in popularity and the heldheld market would already be dead. Instead we're seeing the handheld market slowly die and it's unlikely those games will be moved to smartphones without changes considering the developers would get much less visibility and people have to swim through an ocean of shit to find the good games.

>>364770809
We're talking $40.6 billion vs $42.4 billion, that's not much of a difference at all.

>>364769323
This garbage chart doesn't count retail you retard.

Mobile gaming is profitable because there is a big playerbase that didn't exist ten years ago. The people who buy normal games are as many as ever. Mobile gaming and regular gaming are growing further apart every year, it's eventually going to be two different markets alltogether.

>>364769860
It's like Pachinko and Casino machines really except now it's all on mobile where you bet money or pay to win.

>>364771386
Curation is a good point, and this might fall under that, but another problem is that there are only a few makers of handheld gaming devices, so more people can have access to the exclusives on them, as opposed to phones where there's hundreds of different models and manufacturers.

Another point to be made is that phones are more general purpose than dedicated gaming devices like the ones you mentioned.

>>364769323

>consoles being literally btfo my PC and Mobile

KEK

>>364771781
>The people who buy normal games are as many as ever.
I think there is a significant population of people who used to play "normal games" in the past because it was their only real option, but have now moved onto mobile since it's basically what they really wanted in the first place. As a result, I don't think the "real gamer" market is going to be as big as it used to be in it's peak. On top of that, companies have a choice now they never had before, which is either investing in expensive, complicated games that have a good chance of bombing, or investing in cheap, shallow games that have a really good chance of bombing but who cares it was cheap!

>>364772375
>implying 80% of that money isn't coming from f2p garbage

>>364772375
>Includes Social, PC free-to-play, PC subscription and Premium PC games
So really, about $30B is coming from Facebook and Korean MMOs.

For casuals, maybe. The easy pick-up-and-play aspects of consoles, as well as the social aspects are heavily outstripped by mobile gaming.

PC gaming will endure as it always has.

>>364769323
vita is pretty popular in Japan, man

>>364772375
Most of the money being made on PC is the same type of F2P/P2W shit seen on mobile.

Stop cheering the success of diseased business practices.

>>364772060
>as opposed to phones where there's hundreds of different models and manufacturers.
But they only run one of two different OSes and the games are OS dependent like PC instead of device dependent like consoles.

>Another point to be made is that phones are more general purpose than dedicated gaming devices like the ones you mentioned.
Like PCs. However, unlike PC games all phone games are designed to work with integrated GPUs (which happen to be the same as what handhelds have) instead of separate higher end GPUs only present in PCs built for gaming.

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>>364769323
>>364769474
>>364769851
>>364769860
>tfw casualfags are literally killing vidya

>>364769474
Vinyls are still made, and they are becoming more popular every year.

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>>364773579
>all these otome games getting localized in the west
I wonder if the Vita is popular with women in the west too?

>>364773992
>Hurr durr I'm le hardcore gamur, you don play reel games hurrr
Neck yourself, casual gamers are revitalizing a dying industry.

>>364775093
>revitalizing a dying industry.
The industry has been dying in recent years because the casuals have been moving elsewhere.

>>364775275
Because AAA devs try to cater to "Hardcore" fans

>>364773992
>it took him this long to realize
Games have been shit since 2007 because casuals/normies have been targeted by marketing of every A+ title and they eat it up.

>>364775834
Games used to be shit before, hardly any playable games made before 2006.

>>364769323
>40 billion mobile
Burn it all to the ground

>>364776097
>Mobile games aren't real games>:(
Some people have jobs.

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>>364775927
>he doesn't have nostalgia goggles to enjoy ALL pre-2007 titles

>>364769323
I hope so. With WWIII on the horizon I need as little reasons to live as possible.

>>364776323
Then read a book like a responsible member of society.
"Mobile games" are skinner boxes. They are not games.
There is literally no excuse for ever paying money for any of then.

>>364776668
>read a book
It's 2017, we have other means of entertainment, sorry you can't accept that people like mobile games cause you're a "hardcore gamer grrrr"

>>364776850
I know you're just baiting at this point, but it's infuriating that there are people that legitimately think this.

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>>364776457
Who needs nostalgia goggles, this was the peak of gaming. Who needs graphics or good gameplay?

>>364769474
Vinyl is poised to crack $1b as an industry this year.

>>364777627
>Kind of want a record player and collect some vinyl records
>Realize how hipster and unnecessary that is

>>364776850
The only reason they bring in so much money is because they have cancer exploitative business models, not because there are actually any quality games.

>>364777731
>letting public opinion dissuade you from collecting something you enjoy
smdh

>>364769323
How is watching videos interactive
What the fuck

>>364777897
Clearly people enjoy the games if they are so willing to spend money on them... Some of the best times in games I've ever had were in clash of clans. Nothing is better than attacking your friends base, haha.!

>>364775393
But they don't, the phrase "catering to a broader audience" has been tossed around so much lately, AAA devs are pandering to casuals so they can get more money

>>364778054
The same way giving the player 3 different ways to say yes in a dialogue qualifies as great writing nowadays.

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>>364778205
>some of the best times in games I've ever had were in clash of clans

>>364778418
False, AAA devs are all about "returning to their roots" now.
>>364778663
>I'm a hardcore gamur, GRRR.

>>364778796
>False, AAA devs are all about "returning to their roots" now
Name one recent game where the devs have said this

So...Sony abandoned the PSVR and I fell for it. What do. Also Resident Evils fucking sucked.

>>364778796
>False, AAA devs are all about "returning to their roots" now
Because, in trying to appeal to casuals, they stopped making good money.

>>364779038
Halo 5
Gears 4
Dead rising 4

>>364779170
Oh, resident evil 7 too.

>>364779170
>>364779252
>games that haven't actually gone back to their roots
>sold like shit
it's almost like they think the core fans they're trying to earn back are nothing but retards

it's not a wonder this industry is going to the toilet, everyone is disillusioned by broken promises and lies.

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>>364779068
But games are making more money than ever? Just not "real games" according to you.

>>364779428
That's because in trying to net the hardcore fans, they managed to lose both audiences. Clearly COD has the best business model, considering IW was the best selling NA game of 2016.

>>364779170
>halo 5
Checked google, they said this but didn't actually go through with it
Same for gears 4 and dead rising 4, RE7 isn't out yet so we don't know if they'll actually "go back to their roots"

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>>364779978
But they were marketed to the "hardcore" fans, in doing so they lost the casual audience. Games that focus on casuals and do so effectively, make more money.

>>364769323
Good, mobile games are the future.

>>364780521
That's what I've been fucking saying all along! Devs are marketing to casuals more and more now because they want money

>>364782103
Which is good, because the quality of the games have increased, COD IW for example blows most old games out of the water.

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>>364782179
>COD IW for example blows most old games out of the water.

>>364782337
Name a single game made before 2005 better than it.

>>364782546
All the older CoD games.

>>364783058
cod games before mw2 are garbage.

>>364769323
No. Most phone games are built so that you can play them on the go (bus ride, waiting in the Dr.s office, etc). The games that make the real money are the ones that employ F2P. Games that are deeper than that don't have the same audience. Such an environment is pretty casual.

>>364774603
>>364777627
it was sarcasm you tards

>>364782546
>name a single game made before 2005 better than it
DOOM

>>364784851
The I will just pretend to be sarcastic argument

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>>364785909
>DOOM
Doom plays like shit, it feels like you are on ice skates and it has no storyline.

>>364783928
>I have shit taste

>>364786251
>You have shit taste, unlike me a real gamur, GRRRR.

>>364786049
>DOOM plays like shit
Underage pls go
Also
>name a single game made before 2005 better than it
Deus Ex

>>364786358
>developers purposely try to make game play in newer CoD games more random with the purpose of "leveling the skill curve"
>implying that didn't make the newer CoD games shit

>>364786049
>doom plays like shit
this is something someone who hasnt played doom would say

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>>364786573
>Deus Ex
>Stand still for ten seconds so you can actually hit someone when you shoot
yeah nah.

>>364786652
I tried doom on the ipad, it was terrible.

>>364786841
>hates doom for "muh story"
>hates deus ex because he has no idea how to aim
>praises IW like it's gods gift to the world
You're either underage, baiting, or so retarded that you actually believe this. Whichever one it is, I'm going to stop feeding you

>>364770563
I think that people will get tired of it sooner or later. I doubt there is lasting appeal in the mobile shovelware.

>>364787274
Wrong, mobile games are only increasing in popularity.

>>364787150
>>hates deus ex because he has no idea how to aim
>Game inhibits your ability to aim
>You don't know how to play xD

>>364778796
>>364779170
>>364779252
>he fell for the marketing speak
Please just end it you stupid motherfucker

>>364789358
>marketspeak doesn't effect the game in anyway

>>364769323
>PC
>$35.8B
What percentage of that is hats and weapon skins?