Why are you so bad at fighting games. Is the genre just

I'm better than average at all genres, including fighting. I don't like to spend TOO much time on one fighting game though which limits how autismal I can get with fighting games.

Yes that's why I play smash

See me in Clay Fighters SNES and I'll body you.

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the only people who play fighting games are people who have played the genre for 10+ years and can't quit because they've sunk so much time into rote autistic memorization of inputs and combos and frame data

>>362993341
>Why are you so bad at fighting games. Is the genre just too hard for you?

No, I'm just bad at videogames in general despite it being the hobby I've spent the most time in all of my life.

I don't like the control scheme. That's enough of a barrier to entry for me.

How can I develop actual finesse in fighters and stop being a button mashing shitter? Being bad at fighters annoys me since I'm pretty good at FPS and RTS but never discovered the secrets to fighters.

Do fighting games even support 144hz? I noticed SF4 was hardcapped at pig disgusting 60fps.

>>362993341
I'm not, I just stopped playing because they aren't fun anymore because arcades died. Also there's way too many blacks in the fighting game community.

It's too boring

>>362993341
I'm not though. Been training regularly with Alex and I'm constantly improving

>>362993341
Because i'd have to start playing them 15 years ago and go to arcades or play them a lot. If my backlog wasn't infinite i might try to git gud

>>362993341
Because I'm not autistic enough to grind that extra 10% needed to jump from average to top tier just for a chance to win a mere pot of just $100 because my favorite fightan is not SFV.

Practice solves everything.

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>>362993341
The ridiculous need to use cancels, frame traps, clutch parries, and endless juggles. All while playing Blazblue.

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>By fighting game for the girls
>Don't realize I have to actually learn how to play in order to get good with them
>Give it up and pick up the next fighting game for the girls
Is this the average /v/ year old cycle?

>>362994225
Pretty much, I only give a fuck about them. Wish Soulcalibur was playable on PC, game had a solid assortment of waifus.

>>362994225
it's what any sane person would do

I'm only bad at animu fighting games because they have too much tech and ridiculously long combos for my tastes.

>>362993341
I'm in the limbo where most people fall in. I'm the best in my circle of friends/local area but I get demolished when I go online. I did my best in uniel and dengeki, but dengeki is piss easy.

>>362993341
>Why are you so bad
I'm not.

>>362994225
That's how I buy fighting games.
If I can complete a fighting game once on easy with 1 character, I'm done with the game.

>>362993341
I don't know a single person who plays fighting games so I never had anyone to compete against

>>362993341
Why do you suck so much at melee? Too hard and complex for you FGCuck?

>>362993619
You need 60 fps or frame data is useless.

>mika will never sit on my face

fucking kill me bros

>>362993341
I don't play them anymore because the arcade scene is dead.

>>362995202
Given how much shooter games benefit from having high fps and are also heavily dependant on accurate frame data I don't see how fighters wouldn't be much better as well.

>>362993619
Go to locals, get your ass beat, and gain the will to be better.

I play games for fun and as an escape. If I want to compete at something, especially something that requires practice to be good at, it's sure as fuck not going to be something that at best improves my reaction times. I'd rather invest time practicing into something that gives me a real life skill.

>>362993341
>>362994225

BRAAPPPPP

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>>362993341

I'm too much of a tryhard to get into fighting games. If I get my ass kicked, I will stop everything until I get good. I will put in an autistic amount of hours until I reach some level of proficiency. Games are supposed to be fun, so rather than follow that path, I just avoid them. It's the same reason I avoid ranked in MOBAs. It makes me become serious on a hobby, that's not meant to be taken seriously.

>>362993515
>le fighting games are just autistic memorization games meme
why don't you try actually playing one before spouting nonsense kid

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The only fighting game I play is MK9 and the only character who I know most combos for is Noob.
Friend tried to get me into BlazBlue, fun but some inputs are a bitch on an 360 controller.
Will admit most fighting games have god tier girls.

>>362993341
I'm better than my friends and the average player, but I don't care enough to get into the "scene".

>>362993341
It always takes me forever to find a character

Who should I play in SFV if I just wanna be patient and fuck up my opponent for their mistakes?

>>362997548
Guile
A shoto

missed the boat by a few years, 97er here
i wish i knew how to play mvc2

>>362993341
Nope, I'm struggling at 40% wins/loses in TTT2, playing as Steve/Kazuya/Jin and waiting for Fated Retribution

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>>362993515
>implying e.g. wave dashing or frame perfect blocks of supers arent products of autistic memorization
shiggy niggy

>>362998112
>>362996361
i guess im autistic too

>>362998112
>frame perfect blocks
que?

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>>362993341
More like it's not worth getting good at.

they feel really unintuitive to me. holding a direction to block just doesn't feel right and then there are things like doing 270 do do a 360 which i had no idea was a thing until someone told me. like the game straight up lies about what you need to do.
comboing also confuses me as there seems to be no way to know if i can go light>medium>heavy and am doing it wrong or if thats not a working combo beyond going online to look it up. you can spend hours trying to get combos to work that look like they should but just dont for no reason.
on top of this i suck ass at the execution and struggle to do dps and the like.
i still buy and play them with a massively low winrate before they fun though. unfortunately the only fighter that really made sense to me was soul calibur, where they had special effects to show what's an unblockable and the like, specifically had every combo listed in a menu, combos that logically should work didn't just fail for no apparent reason etc and i stomped in it but then it died.

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>>362993341

>Psst, hey kid. You like that fighting game?
>Good, because every 5-6 months there is gonna be a slightly tweaked version of the same game for another 60$ with one or two new characters thrown in. There is also a Cashshop with DLC too!

>I hope you like buying equipement; you're gonna need a fightstick - thats a few hundred bucks also ontop of everything else

>Hope you like playing with niggers and nigger memes


Fighting games have been a joke for a long time now. It's just a cash grab for normies now.

I don't even know if I am bad or good at fighting since the last time I played them was like 15 years ago but I am probably bad at them. I just never found them that interesting.

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>>362993341
I'm not a nigger or a jap.

>>362993341
A few hours is the most I spend on learning the controls of any game.
If I haven't learned the controls and become good at them, then it's the controls that suck.
Fighting games take way too much time to learn and the reward for doing so is pathetic.

Friends? Tournaments? Get the fuck out of here, you fucking normalfag.

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>>362993341
If you are so tough why don't you try playing RTS, the hardest genre of them all?

>>362995452
Because fighting games are capped at 60 frames. That's literally how they work. Every action, every input, every timing, everything works in 60 ticks per second and is built around that.

>>362993814
You can get decent in a few months, pretty good in a year or two. Legends like "you have to play 20 years or you'll never be good" are just using excuses.

>>362994458
Depending on the game and character you can do well with simple combos.

>>362998696
You don't have to buy a stick to play fighting games.

SFV has free updates and you're not forced to buy the new game. Or you could be playing old stuff like fightcade that's free and not getting updated.

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>>362993515
>combo and frame data memorization
>mattering between games

>>362993469
Smash isn't a fighting game.

>>362998897
Fighting games are the most interesting genre to be honest.

Is BlazBlue alive and on which platforms is it so

Why do fighting games even get dropped in favor of new installments? Do they actually need to be completely revamped or does it just happen because the developers decide to release a new game? It's not like athletes just suddenly decide that football has been played long enough and we should al move on to Football XX Turbo Edition.

>>363001297
Balance
New characters
New mechanics
Graphics/Engine update

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Do any of you know someone that began playing fighting games recently and is actually good at it?

Because i've been playing since i was very young, a fighting game was actually my first video game, and all my friends also been playing for a long time. I really don't know anyone who took an interest on a recent fightan, decided to be good at it, and actually made it.

>>362993341
I have terrible reaction time/reflexes
I can't into mind games
I can't predict an opponent's movements for shit
I can barely remember a character's movesets
I can't into combos or punishing
I lack the willpower to fuel my want to get better
I'm too much of a bitch and feel bad if I actually start beating a person so immediately sandbag
If I feel at all that I'm gonna lose I choke like a bitch too
There's probably more, but this was everything I could think of right now

>>362993341
I just don't like fighting games. They're like racing and sports games. Samey as fuck.

>>362995941
I will destroy you at any fighting game of your choice

>>363001490
Why can't they just patch the old game and remake it when a new system comes out? I don't want to start learning to play a game only for it to be irrelevant by the time I can actually beat someone.

>>363001490
Nothing that can't be done with dlc updates nowadays. Charging 60 dollars for a new edition in this age is retarded.

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>>363000354
== --the joke-- >

your head

>>363001838
>proceeds to play battlefield 1

>>363001915
Has that stopped any developer ever

>>363001297
If you're talking about the transition from SF4 to SFV for example, it's because of the money.

>The tournament money goes into 5
>all the best players from 4 have to transition to 5 to keep making a living
>4's competitive scene dies and 5 receives all the exposure, bringing the rest of the crowd with it

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>>363001634
You buy new fighting games because pick up interest in some cute character that you saw in porn on exhentai and it left an impression on you.

>>363001995
>h-he has to play SOME sort of samey garbage! How could he not??

cause a new fighting game comes out every couple of years and can completely shut you down with almost none of your higher end skills carrying over

Look at Daigo with SF4, Snake Eyez with SF5

>>363001884
> I don't want to start learning to play a game only for it to be irrelevant by the time I can actually beat someone.
You should get into Tekken my man, barely changes with each instalment

>>362993341
But I'm not

I won 5000 from a tournament in my big city

AMA

>>363002218
Do you get the bitches

Street Fighter and Smash feel too simple, GG and Blazblue feel too (sometimes needlessly) complicated. What's the middle ground?

>>363001634
Pepeday (Crazy SF4 Feurte) says that SF4 was his first fighting game, and he made a huge splash on the competitive scene despite also having a family and a full time job

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjhoKVtY66k

>>363002339
Melty blood :^)

Yes. I don't understand anything technical about fighting games at all. I don't even fully understand regular mechanics and can't remember combos at all. I still beat the shit out of all my friends though so at least there's that.

>>363002339
>Smash
>too simple
I don't even consider Smash a fighting game but it's far from simple on input or mechanics

>>363000354
What's your reasoning on that??

It has different fighters, stages, and combos. With the object to knock the other players off the stage I would say it is classified as a fighting game.

>>363002391
Most of the SF4 pros started with SF4

Infiltration being the biggest one

>>363002318
No actually, bitch getting is all a lie perpetuates by the media. Don't believe it.

>>363000265
Play Street Cucker 5 and grind for unlocks in a game you already bought or illegally download games.

Good choices imo

>>363001884
If a game is actually good, it will not die. there are still communities for games that are decades old.

>>363002493
it's a reddit meme

>b-but it's a party game
games can have multiple genres

>>363002443
Smash is hella simple. The most complicated inputs you have are a single direction + a button unless you're playing ryu. The rest is just matchup knowledge which is in every fighting game.

>>363002493
You don't need to do this.

I hate PvP games.

>>363002530
Infiltration said he didn't start with SF4, he always played since SF2 but he was never tournament serious about fighting games until SF4.

>>363002701
>Smash is hella simple. The most complicated inputs you have are a single direction + a button
??????

>>363001884
It won't be irrelevant. If you learn to play one game, you'll also have to learn it's basics. And these fundamentals will pass on to another game. you will be better and reading, deciding the best option at the right time, learn about positions, turns, footsies and all that. It's like you learned how to race, but now you're just racing with a different car.

People like to play a new installment because is nice to see a change, unlike a sport, a single fighting game isn't somewhat like a tradition, it's ok to move on to a new one with some new variations. And also, a new installment means more money for devs.

>>363001838
They're only samey if you look at them superficially because you don't understand how they work. There's more depth and interesting things in almost any fighting game than most single player games.

>>363002790
Prove me wrong fuccboi I'll wait

Inb4 m-muh wavedashing even though it's literally just a single button and a single direction

>>363001915
The only ones that still do the 60$ updates are ASW. Literally no one else does that.

From what they've been saying, they may stop too and take a new route.

>>363002850
I understand a lot about fighting games, they just don't appeal to me because they all look the same.

>>363002558
You don't HAVE to own all characters.

>illegally download games

lmao, you're just trying to find any excuse you can to not play fighting games. Just say you're not interested instead of coming up with this bullshit.

>>363002890
To multishine you specifically have to do more than one input with specific timing, it's in the name

I'm not saying it's some 1F KoF13 combo, just that you're fucking wrong

>>363003021
What did he mean by this?

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I'd like to, honestly, but I don't have any friends who play them, so there isn't any motivation from friendly competition or anything

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>>362993341
Used to play them all the time when I was younger, but I got sick of them eventually and moved on to other vidya.

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>>363002493
While the characters literally fight in the game, a genre isn't as literal as that. Most games would be considered "Action" by that logic, and any game with a story mode could be an "Adventure" game.

I respect the competitive Smash scene (all games; 4, Melee, PM, etc.), but it's not a Fighting Game. It's its own thing. It's like the Gundam games that get played competitively; not a Fighting Game, but closer to them than other competitive games.

>>363002701
>Simple
There are advanced techniques such as wavedashing, pivot canceling, jab canceling, boost grab, perfect shielding, short hop air dodge and many more. There is a deeper complexity beneath the surface.

And do what? Because you agree or what?

>>362998112
>wave dashing

smash isn't a fighting game

Because I only like weapons based fighters. Guilty Gear and Blazblue I'll be honest are just too much for me. Soul Calibur, Samsho and Last Blade are all fucking dead.

>>362996361
why don't you try calming down.

>>363001297
because fighting game players showed them they can get away with it

>>363003326
Wave Dashing doesn't solely exist in Smash, nor was it the first game to have it. It's simply most relevant in Melee, so people think of that as the only game that has it for some reason.

Marvel 3 has wave dashing, for example.

>>362993341
i don't play shitty genres

>>363003073
>more single inputs just jammed closer together

Yes yes very impressive truly smash is a game of skill, you have opened my eyes

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>>363003326
>only smash has wavedashing

how to tell someone doesn't play fighting games

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>>363003552

>>363000354
>obligatory "if it isn't a street fighter clone it isn't a fighting game" post

>>362993341
Online play always sucks. No matter what, the delay ends up fucking me over more than anything else.

>>363003676
Tekken, soul caliber and melty blood aren't street fighter clones

>>363003576
>>363003440
trolled faggots. r/kappa for life!

>tfw there will never be a competitive Armored Core game with its own tourny scene

>>363003861
i too was only pretending to be retarded

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>>363003676
>Virtua Fighter
>Bloody Roar
>King of Fighters
>SF clones

>>363003440
>Marvel 3

another casual garbage game

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>>363003552
>>363003587

>>362998696
>has no idea what he's talking about
>makes criticisms

as much as fgc is shit, seeing people trying to critisize it is worse

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>>362993341
Poor execution and mediocre hit-confirms, although I mitigate that by playing read-heavy low-execution characters.

I also have something I call "Reverse Low Tier God Syndrome" where every time I lose I blame myself and only myself and think to myself that I'm garbage, but refuse to stop playing until I learn how to deal with my opponent, but the frustration and self-doubt leads to me playing worse over time. Even if my opponent is way more experienced or if the matchup is heavily in their favor, I immediately curl up into the mindset that I'm trash and can't improve, but then my better judgement forces me to keep going in order to get better without thinking about how.

I get salty as fuck most times I play fighters, but I keep following the genre because I enjoy playing wrestlers and big guys. Plus a good high-level set in almost any game is hype as fuck.

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If someone like me was able to pull off a combo like this on a pad then you guys shouldn't be bad at fighting games.

>>363004240
the only people who think pad < stick are the ones who've used stick too long.

>>363004240
pulling off a combo in training mode is nice and all, but when most people here say they're bad they mean they get stomped in real matches by either not having execution, not knowing matchups, not knowing how to play neutral, or adapt to situations

>>363004240
>combo like this
I can't even tell whats going on between the clash of similar colors and the shitty compression

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>>363004212
Who do you enjoy playing big guys for?
4u

>>363004212
you sound just like my friend except he plays read heavy hard execution characters. I honestly hate playing grapplers, le get two reads while you spent the whole match pushing buttons :^)

>>362993619

Fighting games a hard capped at 60 fps because the timing of every hit box is built around it. It's very hard to explain. But for a fighting game to run well at 144 fps it would have to be built from the ground up with that in mind.

As for developing finesse it's all about FUNdamentals. A godly street fighter player and godly guilty gear player are godly at those games because they specialize in them. But a good street fighter player will be decent and guilty gear and vice versa because the FUNdamentals translate.

I reccomend playing street fighter 3 or 4 for learning footsies and command normals and specials. For me it wasn't until I started playing melty blood that I actually got a grasp of how to combo in other fighting games. So I reccomend melty blood due to its flexible combo window. Finally if you wanna learn how to play aggressive you could substitute melty blood with undernight. Or just play both. It's all about the FUNdamentals

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>>363004493
That's very true, but it will eventually come to you with time as all things do. How will a person get better if they don't put effort into things? Video games or not, you have to put in a little effort to be able to get better at something.

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>>363004823
4me, yes.

I just enjoy playing a big slow lumbering fuck with gigantic hitboxes, massive damage, command grabs, and super armor. I want my only movement options to be specials that turn my character into one big armored moving hitbox. It's super satisfying to use those characters, doubly so to win with them.

>>363001126

Playstation that's it.

Chronophantasma extend has a decent community on steam. You'll find matches.

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>>363004823
sauce

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>363004974
If it makes you feel any better, I sometimes gravitate towards keepaway and/or rekka characters (Dormammu in Marvel, Yang & Q in 3S, Poison in Ultra when I'm not using Hakan/Hugo/Hawk). I appreciate the neutral game, and honestly I don't NEED a command grab. Big damage and super armor is all I need.

>>363005205
You would probably love Dragons dogma.

>>362993603
this is one of the worst excuses I've heard desu

I don't even know what it means

Someone break this down for me. What makes a fighting game a fighting game? The weird button combos for the most simplest of actions? The insane amount of data (not combos but flat out frame data) you have to learn to get good at them?

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Whenever I try to do any inputs above baby-level, my hands will twitch and spasm. I fucking hate it and its ruined so many games for me.

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>>363001634
I bought sf5, but I can't get used to hit linking, I prefer input stacking like in MK, GG, not sure how it is in Tekken and KOF.

H-how do I get over this?

>>362993579
people like you are why videogames are shit now.

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>>363005461

I just searched the internets for this, and I found it: Kyou Iku Jisshuusei

You are welcome, fellow anon.

>>363005765
Just pause between button presses man the timing in SFV is not very strict.

Also don't expect long ass combos.

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Because I don't play them.

>>363006005
Do you know if Tekken 7 will use input stacking or linking?

>>363005765
I don't think there's a trick. You just have to spend some time doing it over and over again.

I've pretty much never played a fighting game before in my life

is it even worth getting into at this point? Which game is good for a total beginner?

>>363005535
the bare essentials:
>1 player vs 1 player (some games have modes that change this like SFxT's 2v2 mode, but those are mostly novelties)
>Choose characters that are unique from one another in various ways
>Goal is to deplete the opponent's health to zero a certain number of times (rounds) or have the most health when time runs out
>something of a sideways camera angle (2D and 3D fighters both have this, and there's leeway on what you do with it outside of that
That's all.

>>363005765
You prefer chains to links. Simple solution: play characters with a lot of target combos (moves built to chain into each other) and/or rekkas and/or no real need for big combos. I don't remember who has the most Target Combos in SFV, but Birdie probably has the easiest combo game.

>>363006126

Last tekken I played was tag 2. It's linking but it's very forgiving with timing

>>362996329
kys you sound like a bitch

>>363006126
Stacking but it gas a load of frame perfect shit that might as well be linking

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>>363005884
time to cum

>>362993341
Yes. I don't have the time invest in gitting gud. I still have fun.

>>363006151
SFV

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No discipline, pretty much terrible at everything because of it. I think i got to 1500 in SFV and quit because i hit a wall and couldn't do much more with FANG and the other characters are boring.

>>363006151
I started in my late 20s and I'm having fun.

SF5 is relatively basic, has plenty of people playing it and lots of tutorials and info if you want to actively learn it and not just fuck around so it's probably a good choice for beginners. Once you get a basic idea wtf fighting games are you should start trying different fighting games to see which style you prefer and then maybe stick mainly to that.

>>362994225
Kek I did this with skullgirls

>>363006189
I can agree with most of these points but one. A good deal of the mainstream has stage ringouts as another style of winning. So 1v1 Smash could count as an alt style of fighting game. I'm not really into Smash, last one I really got into was n64 and I think Meleefags are cancer but the whole "Smash is not a fighting game" thing is one of the worst parts of the FGC

>>362993341
Had an injury to my hand that limits certain inputs I can do. Plus real world shit

>>363006407
>where is gackt
my fucking sides!

>>363004240
Jokes' on you, I've played Rachel only on the PSP version because execution is easy mode with her.

>>363005535
Adhering to SF2s format
>Goal of the game is to deplete your opponents health in 1v1 combat
>Static characters with predefined move lists
>Generally speaking successfully hitting a move should give you some kind of frame or positional advantage
>Block>Grab>Attack>Block

>>363006609
Smash still adheres to the deplete your opponents health thing. Stocks are just an alternative unit of health.

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>>363006151

>>363006718
>>Static characters with predefined move lists
I think games that use Grooves or similar systems invalidate this point, or at least the "predefined movelists" portion. Even Ultra Select in SFIV breaks this. The characters are distinct and what you choose is static throughout the game.

>>362993341
I've tried to get into them couple of times but realized that I don't care enough about the genre to want to put in the time and git gud.

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Just got a PS2 emulator, is MvC2 a good place to start in fighters?

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i got into them because i finally have somebody to fight against

hey guys
i can't beat an easy bot in usf4
i like ryu and akuma
what do i do?

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>its another r/kappa troglodye taking over a fighting game thread saying smash isn't a fighting game and getting blown out because he's an ignorant retard

lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooo

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Trash SFV player here, are there any guides on how to play Ibuki for season 2?

>>363000278
Only so many input commands are possible and many fighting games copy each other to the point you can easily learn combos in a different fighting game because of your muscle memory.

>>363007307
No because you can't play anyone in MvC2 on PS2 emulator.

If you're playing casually against the CPU you can pick any game and it doesn't matter. If you want to actually learn fighting games you have to pick a game other humans play and play against them.

>>362995973
Am I retarded when this never fails to make me laugh?

What are some of those good Mika doujins? Any recs?

Guile or Nash? I like to poke, keepaway and grab a lot until my opponent fucks up hard and I can get big damage in

>>363007382
Focus attacks and nothing else

>>362993341
Because I suck and my hand eye coordination is shit, I can barely do a hadoken let alone any of the wacky combos you can do.

>>363007382
Play more

>b-but

play more.
Also bots are not like a human opponent, you can use them to get some confidence at the start, but if you want to really learn you should stop training against them after a while or you'll just get bad habits.

Fighting games are trash now. They all went the way of tekken and slowed the entire game down to be more "tactical". I'd rather play older games where you can combo anything into anything then the game forcing me to pause for 3 seconds because I punched twice. Players shouldn't be forced to learn cookiecutter combos to speed up the flow of the game.

>>362997548
Balrog or Guile.
Rog has the offensive tools too if you dont want to be patient and know your opponents defence sucks.

>>363007707
Somehow I get the idea that you don't know what you are talking about.

i really wish i could get good at garou, it's such a cool game.
they should have given it out with PS+.
imagine every PS4 owner having Garou!

>>363007707

>>363007792
Exactly this

>>363007835
>Every PS4 use has PS+

I don't pay for online.

>>363007670
>play more
yeah i kind of sat down at a setup at my local game store for a few hours and taught myself how to do a couple of the inputs. i've never actually played street fighter before

>>363007307
MvC2 is a classic, but it's also a broken mess that's really hard to get into. Even if you narrowed down the characters you played to the ~8 that are viable, you'd still need to figure a lot of shit out.

Also the game is kind of dead outside of the OG hardcores and there's no current official way to play it online. If you want to play Marvel really bad, get the current gen UMvC3 port when it hits PC (if that's you're preferred platform) or wait until later this year for Infinite.

>>363007991
Takes time, if you expect to get good in a few days stop now because fighting games are not for you. If you keep at it, you will learn.

>>363007423

you can dash quicker now, which will help you quickly dash into a dark corner, and cry over everyone getting a neat xmas present except you

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>>363007423
mash your cc button and command dash for a free unreactable rushdown if you have meter just press buttons into ex kunai so its never their turn because your a rushdown nigger and must always be mashing

>>363007792
Going from DoA2 to DoA5 is like day and night. Fuck your faggot slowed down casual garbage.

>new to fighting games
>learning with skullgirls
>using a bnb in a fight the first time
>using a reset in a fight the first time

Such a happy feeling

>Smash 4 is STILL going to have a spot at EVO

It's not fun to play competitively, it's not hype, it doesn't get more participants than Melee and the meta became stale within three months of release.

The game is all about back airs and down throws to up airs. That's it. They "normalized" most characters to have those guaranteed combos.

It's like a slightly better version of PlayStation All-Stars, a game that also had auto-combos.

The only reason the game is even alive is because Nintendo shills it at tournaments and they killed PM. They didn't kill Melee because it's an official game but they would've done that too if they could.

It's just objectively inferior to the other games, and it was clearly not meant to be a bit competitive at all. It doesn't deserve to be called a "fighting game" or anything remotely related to that, because it's so dull and automatic.

Or wait, do any of you sincerely believe that a game that punishes you for LANDING an attack is actually a fighting game? Because that's what happens in that game. It punishes you for fucking playing it.

>>363006407

isn't he married?

>>363000354
It objectively is

>>362993341
I'm sure I could get better with practice, but practice is boring as fuck.

>>362993579
me

>>363001884
Why are sequels made to multiplayer games, ever?

You're retarded

>>362993341
>Fightan 'games' are hard
>They are literally all the same 2d button-combo fests with titties everywhere
>Learn how to play 1 and you learn them all

Look, the genre is dying, fast and no amount of autism is going to get people to play it. Until there is some serious re-imagining of the genre and some unique gameplay then it's not going to happen.

Smash is a great example of fresh air. It was different enough that people flocked to it and is still the most watched 'fighting' 'game' and the most played. Street Fighter 42069 Hyper Nigger Turbo Cuck edition will play exactly like Street Fighter 2 and thats why the genre is glossed over by most people, not because 'muh difficulty'

>>363001915
>new engine
>dlc

What the fuck are you talking about?

Besides I'm fucking glad ST wasn't "patched" to turn into 3S or that 3S wasn't patched into SF4. You know why? Because than ST and 3S would cease to exist.

Like Jesus, how do kids like you even manage to feed themselves.

>>363008375
This thread is about fighting games.
Don't worry, it's a common mistake.

>>363008782
>the genre is dying
>previous franchises literally coming back to life
>several big name games released almost yearly, some indie stuff


Yup. Dying so fast

Who else has Revelator on Steam? It's my first Guilty Gear. What is essential knowledge for an Elephelt player?

>>363009165
Grenade is godlike

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>>363009036
>Street Fighter 5

>>363009036
Why are you replying to bait?

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>>362993341
Nobody plays my favorite one so I never get to practice with a real person.

>>363008375
Nice pasta.

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>>362999109
>the hardest genre of them all?

For the 2 or 3 micro-heavy RTS that basically become an expanded fighting game at the highest level, yes. The VAST majority of RTS titles is not difficult to play input-wise. There's no comparing AoEII high level play requirements with Brood War high level play requirements

Fighting games, Quake duels and TF2 MGE are the most fun 1v1 experiences in games ever.
It just takes some time to get good enough to enjoy them.

>>362998696
t. person who doesn't play fighting games

>>362993341
I'm pretty good. That's not the reason why I didn't buy SFV, though.

>>363008375
most of what you said applies to sfv too

>>362993341
fighting games seem heavily reliant on having a really solid internet connection, and I don't.

I have three other roommates who all game and watch movies at the same time. Only one of us even gets to be directly connected to the router/modem, the rest of us are connected wirelessly.

Tried with Guilty Gear Xrd and Blaz Blue. My wireless connection just doesn't hold up in these types of games.

>>362993341
Basically a negative feedback loop of having to learn the game with outside sources, while having no competition outside my friends. So basically all I have learnt over the past 20+ years is spacing, and special execution.

I feel like I'm getting better thanks to SFV, as I didn't dabble in SFIV's online too much. But Season 2 feels like a bit of a set back, even if my win record doesn't show it yet. Relearning match ups I was reasonably comfortable with is kind of a pain, and I still have no answer to some match ups like M.Bison and Urien.

Part of why SFV works for me though is that I really like the way the Missions are set up, which encourages me to play online for at least a couple of hours a week, so I hope they don't cave to pressure for daily missions, as doing daily shit makes me feel like I've picked up a second job.

>>363010885
Bison hasn't really change much since season 1, just learn went to press buttons and v-reversal as for Urien.

Just accept your lost.

>>363010398
Sadly you're right. I love fighting games and I've lived with up to other 4 people in the same house. for the last 5 years. You have no idea the hoops I've had to jump through to play, I'm just glad I alwatys managed to find at least 1 hour a day most of the time to play.

>>363001634
I started playing fighting games about 2 years ago on P4A.
Ulimax is still a favorite of mine, but moved on to GG and some SF.

I know for a fact I would never have made it far enough into the learning curve if I didn't learn them alongside my little brother, who played smash, but new to 2D fighters. Online multiplayer to a newcomer is the easiest access to newcomers, but also the easiest to get burn out from negative results.

>>363003182
>Literally just finished binge watching Mob Psycho seconds ago
I'm... not entirely sure I like it

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>>363003292
>While the characters literally fight in the game
>it's not a fighting game

???????????????

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reply to me onegai

I love fightan, but I'm really just a muscle memory masher when it comes down to it in terms of 2D fighters. Works to a certain point, but I'll never excel. When I slow down and try to get better at actual moves I get anxious and can't be precise with my fingers.

I do ok with Tekken tho.

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>>362995358
i know that feel bro

>>363006407
Fudo is cute.

>>363010398
>fighting games seem heavily reliant on having a really solid internet connection, and I don't.
lmaooo nigga they're meant to be played offline just play with your roommates

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/v/ is full of casual babbies that play babby games like overwatch, anime waifu sims, monster hunter, and smash brothers (which they actually think is a legit fighting game)

they can't handle the competition and high skill ceiling of games like fighting games or shoot em ups, so they trash them

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Such a shame that arena fighters are dead

>>362993341
Poor reaction time and clumsy thumbs, though switching to keyboard in place of a controller has helped a lot.

>>363013585
Not everyone has the luck of having friends who are interested in playing fighting games seriously.

I'm not autistic enough

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>>363013735
Are you implying people who enjoy high skill ceiling games can't enjoy lower skill ceiling games? I enjoy fighting games (including some of the more complex stuff) and complex spectacle action games like DMC and Bayonetta, but there's nothing wrong with stuff like Monster Hunter or Smash outside of being easier.

People who trash harder games are casual babbies, yes, but the easier games aren't bad as a result.

>>363014296
find new friends then

>>363014296
This. It's hard to good at fighting games by playing button mashers or AI that either stands and does nothing, or reacts perfectly to your inputs.

>>363000354
The only people who say this are low-skilled players who don't want to step up to the challenge of Smash. You convince yourself it has a low skill ceiling or something because it has Mario and Pikachu in it.

>>363014651
This desu

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>>363004240
>those fuck huge lines of light on hit
For what purpose?

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What would it take for the genre to become more accessible yet also evolve?

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>>363001634
Started four years ago.

I had finished Tsukihime and Kagetsu Tohya, heard Melty Blood was the next installment.

Accidentally downloaded Actress Again and realised how fun it was. Brought it over to my friend's house to play. They all loved it.

From there, we all practiced, got better and moved onto different games that interested us.

We barely meet up for fightan anymore

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I got to 2.2k on SF5, realized I wasn't having fun playing against the same characters over and over again and just stopped.

>>363014437
No, when did I imply that? I'm talking about the casual shitters, not you.

>>363015236
I don't like accessible games. I like games with high barriers to entry like shoot em ups, arena fps, etc. Since the competitive scenes for these are basically dead outside of niche communities I've started to transition to fighters and I'm giting gud and loving it. So hopefully never. I don't like playing games with plebs

>>363007480

This is so fucking incorrect that it actually hurts

>>363015236
SFV's distribution model should be standard: Base game has solid roster and enough content, balance updates are free forever, and all other content that is released can either be bought or earned. Capcom fucked it up somewhat, but it's the right idea. I hope they keep it for MvC Infinite but do it better.

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IF HONDA ISN'T THE FIRST CHARACTER RELEASED IN SEASON THREE I'M GONNA PUNCH MIKE ROSS IN THE DICK

Nah, I'm having fun but my time to learn is limited, I just want to know how to learn efficiently.

>>363011659
>just learn went to press buttons
That's what I'm struggling with. At least with Bison. Maybe I'm just not using V-Reversal enough.

>>363014296
I can't even get friends to button mash. They just won't play it.

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>>363004240
That's nice, now try doing this.

>>363015462

KI is better because you can actually see what characters do and not go into online blind against mixups and specials moves you've never seen because you dont have the character

and lag is non-existent

and it runs internally at 90fps to maintain perfectly timed frames at 60fps with no input delay.

fuck i wish i was good at fighting games, the tough thing about KI is that it includes pretty much everything single fightan mechanic ever, and its designed around characters being super overpowered in their niche. you just get bullied and overwhelmed by all sorts of intense bullshit. and combo breaking / auto-doubles are both weird.

>>363014654
Well I did learn by playing online, but this makes getting irl friends to play even harder when even if they had the minimum interest in the games (which they don't), they would just get stomped over and over.

>Genre requires knowing all skills of all characters
>Most games in the genre requires memorization of pointlessly complex command inputs, as well as being able to perform them
>Genre requires sub 200 ms reaction times
>Need to play the metagame
>Need to memorize all the timings and frames and stuff
The genre is garbage.
Don't get me wrong, it's fun to play with shitters where very little of this matters, but any sort of competitive play is simply all stress with very little fun almost on the same level as quick time events.

does anyone actually know how CC works

i means really

>>363015282
Do you still play melty?

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>>363001634
Started in 2012, made top 8/16 a couple times at a decent amount of majors. It's not impossible anon.

>>363016515
CC?

>>363016564
Very scarcely, but I know I wouldn't be able to pull off any of the crazy shit as Hisui that I used to.

>>363004240
>>363015918
I thought animu fighters are supposed to be fast. This looks slow as fuck.

>>363015236
The systems need to be completely overhauled. All male characters need to be removed, and all female characters need to have triple the number of costumes.

Also, remove the fighting part of the game and replace it hardcore porn aspects instead.

>>363016684

crush counter

sometimes an anti-air will Cc, sometimes not. sometimes i get my light buttons CC'd. sometimes i counter hit them out of a strong button with my CC button, but don't get a CC.

i know its not RNG but i can never pin down how this shit works.

>>363016862
Latest installment of blazblue is actually fast, this is the previous one.

>>363016690
Hisui is cool, but she's too hard for me.

>>363016862
Blazblue is one of the slowest anime fighters.

>>363016515
Moves with CC properties causes CC if they beat a lower priority move, move with more startup or during recovery frames if that move possess certain amount of invincible frames, mainly DPs

i don't know many people who play and i just don't really enjoy them much. i built a fight stick for shmups and beat-em-ups but i've never played many fighting games with it. my big problem is that there are a ton of them and they're all a big commitment to play, there's a high learning curve. i enjoy games like god hand, devil may cry, or various bullet hells where the barrier to entry is low but actually getting good is extremely difficult.

>>363016984
>sometimes i counter hit them out of a strong button with my CC button, but don't get a CC

Literally impossible. Crush Counters are simply special effects that some moves have when they counterhit the opponent. If a move with crush counter properties is a counterhit, it will crush counter when it hits as counter hit.

>sometimes an anti-air will Cc, sometimes not
If they didn't press a button but simply empty jumped, you don't counterhit them and thus CC doesn't happen.

>>362993341

why do artists add shiny boils to characters?

>>363016456
Videogames are not about fun. Don't be a child.

>>363016456
>almost on the same level as quick time events
Are you actually literally figuratively retarded

>>363016984

Hit them in the startup of their normal / special, it's as simple as that. Heavier normals have longer startup and so are easier to land counters from.

>>363017197

i'm sure its a case of my own fault then, like hitting one of my heavies which is not a CC, and being mistaken.

i need to get better at it because i play ibuki and she has great CC.

>>362994593
Then he wasn't fucking talking to you, you narcissistic autist.

>>363017806
Remember that aside from DPs, you can only counterhit moves BEFORE they are active, not after.

>>363002701
>Smash4
hahahahaha

>>363017536
>Literally need to quickly react to things as they are shown
>Ah but this is different because there's more possibilities and depth!

>>362993341
i dont play fighting game because im not a musclegirl fetishist or pedophile or autist.

kinda related-but-not so related did platinum fix the bayonetta ps3 port? i wanna try desu

>>363006609
I always hear this. Why are melee fags cancer?

>tfw terrible at reading opponents/knowing common set-ups and strats
It's why I can't play TCGs either. I just don't have what it takes to read an opponent.

I do think fighters are fun, though, and I play them a ton even though I'm ass.

>>363019215
It's fucked as ever and even after install you're going to be playing the game at 25fps max and with slowdowns with every special effect, you have to load the fucking pause menu for fuck's sake, it's the slowest and shittiest version of the game by far to play.

>>363018960
>Restricting yourself to turn based combat because you have arthritis

I'm not bad I just play USF4

>>363002701
>Inputs are the only measure of depth
Tell me what other fighting game changes move followups dynamically throughout a match.

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>>363013365
reminder that a literal cat tapped this

>>362993341
i suck so hard in fighting games that i only know how to use the hadouken

>>363019672
There's a difference between games with action combat and fighting games.
In DmC you generally don't give a shit about what the enemies are doing, you just combo, and the enemies that do pose a threat telegraph their attacks a lot and follow patterns.
In Dark Souls enemies have huge telegraphs and follow patterns, that lets you dodge easily, and you can change your build to quick dodging even if you want.
In competitive fighting games you need to react like you were a fucking machine wired to the monitor.

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>>363020007
Reminder that a future demon/edgy swordsman probably could have tapped this.

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What do you guys think about pic related? Is this a good beginning point for someone who wants to play fighting games?

>>363013735
Smash is classified as a platform fighter, which is a sub-genre of the standard fighting game. So technically it is a fighting game.

>>363020332
SFV is the for you
they made reacting useless with the input lag so all you have to do is guess now, slow son

>>363020332
>Playing games with huge >30f tells
Pretty weak
Basically watching a movie at that point, with little press "x" to advance segments popping up.

>>363020332
You don't need amazing reactions to play fighting games. Your normal reactions are likely good enough, it's just that you have to play a few times paying attention before you can recognize an overhead and react to it and stuff like that. It's very difficult at first, but becomes much easier with experience.

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>>363002106
>>363006568
More or less the same here.

>>363021167
Such wasted potential with this flash.

Hardly any interaction, only one angle, and the fucking nipples fly off her tits

>>363021119
I'm not saying it's impossible, as any person can react in ~200 ms.
I'm saying it's stressful and not fun.

Fighting games are fun only if you're not a retard
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6tcGVdJOs1EEXYPEe1wgzXwZ070WDB7K

>>363021392
Well the point of fighting games is competition. Some people enjoy it. There is NOTHING like playing another human in a contest of pure skill and winning. The joy of genuinely outplaying another person can't be matched for me.
Also watching other competent players and admiring their level of skill, and training so you can beat them. Having people admire YOU after so much training and effort. Being one of the most skillful people with your character. these are all things that make fighting games so much more exciting and interesting than most other stuff for me.

Of course, if you dislike competition you won't like them.

>>363006253

Well aren't you just precious?

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>>363002106
>>363021167
>fighting games always have top tier porn
>always have top tier waifus
>get into games because of the waifus
>always end up playing the big, ugly, silly guys.

Never fails
my mains: Big Band, Faust, Birdie, Rufus, Zangief, Tager, Mr. Karate, Wario, Funny Valentine,

>>363001634
is umvc3 recent?

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>>363023287
Are you me?

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>>363003326
Stop embarrassing us, you cunt

>>363022265
It's not that I dislike competition, I dislike that kind of competition.
Furthermore and in my opinion, the time investment for mastery would be better spent in something else that is also competitive but actually results in some benefits either monetary, social, or health. Personally, I lift.

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>>363023461
Just a kindred spirit my man.

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>>362993341
i cant ever get to the in between of hyper fucking aggressive and turtling in the corner blocking, my ibuki mix ups are bad, and i jump to much

i want guy back

>>363023951
Lifting is something I don't get. Now THAT is something that is indeed boring. Fighting games are actually fun and you can learn them by playing, you don't need to spend hundreds of hours in training mode. Lifting is literally only boring shit.

Also fighting games are the closest thing to fighting that is not actually fighting. I've always found the idea of fighting so cool, but I don't like the idea of risking to actually get hurt (as in actual injuries that you can't shrug off) and because I'd be too much of a pussy to actually hit the opponent with all I've got. Fighting games get rid of all these problems with the added bonus of having super cool characters.

>>363025129
Lifting is boring as shit, but at the end of the day you accomplish something for life as long as you keep doing it properly, and it's not stressful.
As I said, I find fighting games fun, but when you go competitive to the point it becomes stressful and almost a job, I don't find it enjoyable at all. I don't want a game to test me about how fast I can react, how well I can input keys, and how well I know some meta. Those tasks are almost machine like.

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>>363015483
you can stop the meme now dude, dream's dead and you know it

>>363025129
>overhead pressing a plate on each side for 10 reps is boring
>banging out weighted pullups is boring

nah

>>363020487
it's too unique to teach you much other than how to learn your spacing.

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>Bought KOF XIV on the PSN Holiday Sale
>Haven't played it yet

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>like fighting games
>don't have anyone to play with
>can't do online either
>no point in playing with CPUs so I never invest my time in them
you fuckers are lucky

Fighting games aren't even fun any more

MvC2, Melee and 3s for life

>>363029169
Why are you not playing those if they are so fun?

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>>362994225
That's healthy since Makoto is who I wish I was

>>363004005
The SF fags hate those games and assure everyone that likes them that they don't really play them.

>>363000354
Did he say it was? I think you might be a bit stupid. If someone said "I think Monopoly is too hard, so I play hopscotch," are you going to say "hopscotch isn't a board game"? At no point did he say it was.

>>362993341

I play videogames to have fun, and fighting games are the opposite of fun.

The only fighting game I've ever seen someone smile while playing is smash.

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>>362993515
My first fighting game was Tatsunoko vs Capcom in 2010. The first fighting game I played against other people was Super Street Fighter IV in 2012. I now regularly beat Mexicans in KoF and got third at an SFV tournament at an anime convention. You just don't want to learn anything new and aren't willing to put forth any sort of effort because /v/ calls everything autism now. Figures that it's mostly people that don't go outside saying this nonsense.

>>363029169
>melee
>thinking you have credibility after admitting you think a party game is a fighting game

>>362994619
Why not just torrent it, then?

>>362993341
I like having fun when i play games.
I dont begrudge people who like fighting games but the genre just isnt for me. Higher-tier combos feel unintuitive to me and my brain shits itself for some reason with the stick movement/button combos.
Also memorizing frames is tedium.

>Have to pretend Sf5 is a good game for the sake of esports for another 5 years

Can we just go back to making the game fun to play and not worrying about tiers that only apply to defcon 5 autists?

>>363029963

Isnt MvC a party game too?

>>363029963
>Hating on melee
lmao what are you a faggot?

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>/v/ always complains about casuals this, consolitis that
>thinks fighting games are too hard and are autism incarnate
>/v/ will challenge Reddit to Tribes Ascend
>average fighting game discussion thread is nothing but guys dodging challenges from other players due to fear of losing in a video game
I don't understand you people. If those Japanese neckbeards that take Examu games seriously can work up the courage to go to an arcade and play, I don't see why you're so afraid of playing a normal fighting game with other people on the internet.

>>363029705
Fighting games are the most fun games.

>>362998474
What game is worth getting good at? Playing video games is a waste of time anyway, as you can make a lot more money from a regular job than it takes to get good at DotA or CSGO and when a tournament for that prize money.
>>362998562
Play MK if you would prefer a block button and easier combos. SF has link combos with very specific timing, while many other games do not.

>>363030513

How?

Almost every match ends with one player raging like a retarded child and the other player looking around awkwardly trying not to react.

>>363030190
It's only natural that you need to get used to the game at the start.

Also despite what you may think you don't have to read endless tables of frame data like you're studying for an exam. Mostly you just need to know if the opponent is positive or not and if he's not what's punishable. That's it.

>>363030727
How is like any game fun? Like you just press buttons and shit that isn't real happens on a monitor? Fucking retarded waste of time

>>363030727
Stop watching compilations on youtube or thinking everyone is LTG then. Some people get mad at fighting games, like some people get mad at anything.
I never get mad and have tons of fun because fighting games are some of the deepest and most interesting games out there.

>>363030895

Believe it or not there are games out there that are fun whether you win or lose.

Fighting games aren't "fun". They're rewarding.

>>363031069
I have fun when I lose too because I am learning. Of course, I prefer winning, but I just take losses as thinking opportunities to see why I lost and then win instead. You only rage if you are a retard that can't control himself.

>>363031342

>I have fun when I lose

I find that nearly impossible to believe.

Show me a video of someone getting perfected on, and ending the video with a smile

shit doesnt happen.

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>>362998696
>Good, because every 5-6 months there is gonna be a slightly tweaked version of the same game for another 60$ with one or two new characters thrown in. There is also a Cashshop with DLC too!
Stop playing Capcom games. KoF XIV has free updates. KoF in general has had free updates since XII.
>I hope you like buying equipement; you're gonna need a fightstick - thats a few hundred bucks also ontop of everything else
Nuckledu, Luffy, and Imstilldadaddy place in events on regular Playstation pads. You don't have to get any extra controller at all. The former two actually WON international tournaments with PlayStation controllers.
>Hope you like playing with niggers and nigger memes
Stop being an American. Either that, or play the games mostly asians like, e.g. Arcana Heart and Nitroplus if it bothers you that badly. If you prefer Mexicans, again, play KoF. Also, funny how you're talking shit about niggers when you yourself are complaining about things costing too much money. Are you sure that you're actually white with a good source of income?

Also, normalfags don't play fighting games seriously. Much like the average /v/irign, they think they're too hard and give up as soon as you're asked to do something beyond your current scope. Also, did you know there are FREE fighting games? KoF 98, Vampire Savior, Melty Blood, Super Street Fighter II Turbo, and many, many more are available to play on fightcade right now in their complete states.

>>363031498
Watch any tournament in any fighting game

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>>363002558
>illegally downloading games is bad
>complains about games being too expensive

>>362993341
I'm definitely decent at the fighting games i play on a actual respectable level. SF GG KOF and sometimes Marvel. Better then average but average is shit.

>>362998936
Black people actually aren't good at fighting games. There are just a lot of them that play. Look at how badly LowTierGod chimps out when he loses, which is often. Asians rule the international events. Notice how even though the meme is that Mexicans love KoF, the winner is generally Chinese, Japanese, or Korean.

>>363031498
Depends how they do it. Did they style on me with flashy gimmicky shit or did they sit in place and exclusively react? If the former, cool I'll play another game. If the latter I'm gonna call you a fucking faggot

>>363031498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p16xnl_HmVU

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>>363002339
King of Fighters

Arguably 3d fighting games in general. VF has easy input, but actually putting the high amount of frame data and move counters into action is difficult. Tekken used to have somewhat easy input before Koreans invented their world famous backdash.

Fun fact: The KBD was discovered in Virtua Fighter 3, but Sega thought it was stupid, so they took it out and the Koreans never forgave them. This is why they all play Tekken instead now.

>>363031967
You sound retarded.

>>363031612
KoF XIV looks like garbage that was meant to come out 10 years ago

>go to /fgg/ for matchmaking
>half of the thread is memes
>the other half is shitting on games that aren't SFV
Is there a worse general on /vg/?

Can't git gud. I can't stand losing and losing and losing, but i do get a bit better. I try to play properly, like learning not to do things even though it taxes my reflexes.

I can do most combos though, I seem to be able to commit them to memory pretty easily.