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Left or right?
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Left doesn't make me feel like a creep
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>>362559309
Left. Both games have the inherent flaws all card games have, but at least the UI and design of the left doesn't make me want to rip my eyes out.
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>generic western art
vs
>generic japanese art
Right because the game is more fun
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>>362559309
>8 mana for a 3/3

dogshit
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Right
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right is an objectively better game, left is held up purely on the fanboyism of retard casuals
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Left. Weebs are the saddest thing in the world
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>>362559309
Left

I can at least talk about it in public in some degree unlike right where it makes me out as the virgin weeb
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>>362559309
left, shadowverse is a piece of shit game that puts you at a tremendous disadvantage if you end up going first
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Left, I like being able to read card abilities.
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>>362559309
Right because it's not pay to play and the mechanics are better.
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>>362559696
>Right because it's not pay to play

shitty bait. you could do better
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Tes; Legends
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>>362559735
He's right though, Hearthstone has turned into pay-to-play. Not sure why people on /v/ are defending it.
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>>362559309

The Goblin Mage is actually that small hooded dude in the left corner.
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Neither. Both games are terribly shallow and the ccg equiv of having your dick bandsawed off, and anyone who plays either is a faggot
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>>362559735
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Depends on whichever has the better gameplay mechanics.

I couldn't give a shit less about the weeb art. Hell, I own everything for Tanto Cuore (deckbuilding game where you hire a bunch of cute as fuck maids using love as a resource with goal of becoming the best master at the table) and Barbossa (super lewd anime pics of female nazi soldiers deck builder where you race against your other opponents to conquer Russia).

I put both of the aforementioned games above Dominion in terms of better base gameplay even though Dominion was obviously what they were based on.

Theme is not as important as game play. The fact that /v/, which so frequently points out how fucked it is that feminists bitching and moaning has caused games to be changed for the worse to even suggest that a games theme is a negative is kind of fucked.
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>>362559818
It takes a long fucking time to get everything, but Hearthstone isn't really pay-to-win (I assume you meant pay-to-win and not pay-to-play).

But they definitely need to add ways to make it feel less like it's pay-to-win for newer players. The ranked system is fucked, new players are going to be against top tier decks filled with legendaries and shit.
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>>362559515
How insecure can you be?
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>>362560078

If you basically need to pay in order to stand a chance against other opponents who paid for content, then it is indeed essentially pay to play.
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>>362560040
>Barbossa (super lewd anime pics of female nazi soldiers deck builder where you race against your other opponents to conquer Russia)
Is it as fun as it sounds? I need something to kill time for 4 people.
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>>362560225
The matchmaking is pretty good for new players, you only go against other new players with small card collections. I know this is still the case because I made alt accounts recently for the alternate hero skin.
So it's fun and fair enough playing there, Tavern Brawls usually give you a deck to play with, and arena is mostly skill based.

The problem is just the terrible ranked mode, putting newer players and experts who just had the season reset all together.
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>>362559309
thank anon you reminded me to do my hs quests
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Aya Blackpaw is best girl
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Did they fix nep yet?
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>>362559309
Left of course. Right would make my mom angry and i want to be a good little boy.
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God tier.
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>>362562645
>sign up for beta 50 million years ago
>????
thanks faggot cuckpolacks
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>>362559309
Right, because left is boring, expensive and everything about it is about RNG and aggro
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>>362559398
Except the flaws with Hearthstone are massive and the flaws with Shadowverse are few.
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>>362559309
Neither because fuck card games
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I wish I had more time to play Shadowverse, but got one last essay to write before that. Still logging in to get the massive New Year bonuses though
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>every single person in this thread who has answered left has given the most insecure, childish or neo-puritan reasoning

Not really surprised.
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>>362559309
Right.

I like anime and titties.
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I remember people told me this card was useless, but I've seen people have 1 of them in their decks just to activate Vengance immediately and then play some sick storm-combo that kills you immediately.
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>>362563728
It's bad in an aggressive meta where every faggot unga aggro player has like 20 storm creatures and uses all their evolves on face damage.
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>>362559309
I want to put my penis in most of the characters on the right, so, right.
Unless you actually want me to play the game, then, neither.
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>>362562769
>sign up for beta
>didnt play Witcher 3
>got into the beta a month ago
>havnt played it
>have no intention of playing it

Sorry mang, maybe in a parallel universe you're in the beta and loving it.
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>>362563942
>Wanting to put your dick in generic animu #4792

>Over a Night Elf
>Over a BLOOD ELF
>Over a Draenei

I'll give you credit for the rest, but overall yoir dick has poor taste.
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Right side I feel like a moron playing. Left side I feel like shit when I play.
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I'll take all of them except the furry
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>>362564437
>generic Tolkien-fantasy creatures

So hot, so cool!

Graduate high school before criticizing other people's tastes.
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>>362559309
>goblin mage
>image features a loli elf mage with the goblin mage in the background
Japs know their priorities I see.
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>>362566183
No, that's just a female goblin. Sexual dimorphism in really common in Cygames stuff.
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>>362560201
Absolutely, he should be proud of his dakimakura, just like you.
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>>362563728
It's not useless, but it's an unwieldy combo piece that tryhard decks aren't going to run.
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>>362566421
>fuck cute goblin mage girl
>get fugly half goblin son
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>>362566525
I'm not the same anon that you responded too, but I prefer left.

And I have a girlfriend, regular sex, I go to university, I have lots of friends

and guess what, most fucking people are okay with anime-looks in games, animes, mangas etc - girls more so even than guys. The ones who don't fucking socialize in this thread are the people that think they are protecting women by not playing Shadowverse. It is time you guys realise there are more women than that one woman on your facebook who just spams buzzfeed-articles because she is boring and have no life
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>>362566903
>fuck ding dong
>get qt half dong son
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>>362562769
i signed up for beta and got in a couple months ago, still havent touched it
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>>362559309
Left doesn't have me looking over my shoulder every five seconds
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>>362566903
>>362567049
>fuck cute dwarf perfumer
>get Dildo Swaggins who also smells bad
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Do people still play Heartstone?
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>>362559439
It's pretty good in arena.
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>>362559309
I actually got Daria, Dimensional Witch last night. I don't have that many good Runecraft-cards though
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>>362559439
She summons her 4/4 lesbian friend with rush who deals 2 to enemy face whenever she attacks.

She's not bad
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>>362559515
>not having weeb friends
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>>362568143
deals one to every enemy follower + face
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>>362566903
that isn't a goblin

Also she's already taken
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>>362559841
>>362566183
Goblin Mage isn't a goblin, she's just being rused
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hmm...
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>>362568262
There's a shadowverse manga?
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>>362567040
I am a weeb, and part of my country's weeb community. So I know better than most how degenerate it is considered to like loli such as >>362567345
Shadowverse is massive pedo pandering. There is a line that should not be crossed.
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>>362568623
I don't even know if that's an official comic (probably not) but Cygames also makes Rage of Bahamut and Granblue Fantasy and Shadowverse basically takes all its cards from the former
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>>362568720
2D =/= 3D
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>>362568720
Go away Britbong/Aushitposter
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>meme RNG
>no cleanup
>shit setting
>shit art

Why would I play either? I'd sooner play that horrible MTGO than either of these pieces of shit.
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>>362559559
>not knowing what the cards in your deck do
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>>362568519
>my pathetic weeb virgin mind requires every woman to be a 14 year old anime girl

like pottery
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>>362569132
What's wrong with having characters that are pleasing to look at
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>/hsg/ is completely dead and is basically dominated by shadowverse shitposters now
>/svg/ is extremely active with constant meta and deck discussion
really makes you think
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>>362568519
weeb game has shit mechanics and is a literal
>shill out 4 fucking legendaries to buy a single one
>you can literally have 3 of every legendary
holy fucking shit koreans
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>>362569357
>deck discussion
>meta discussion
the only discussion you have in that shitty thread of yours is loli picks and whose the best waifu is while people complain about the game being an unbalanced garbageheap
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>>362569547
Hi Ben.
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>>362569483
Legendaries are also less powerful than in HS, also packs have 8 cards instead of 5 and the drop rates are higher, not to mention you literally get like 30 free packs starting out that you can reroll with little fuss.

One of the strongest decks right now doesn't use a single legendary, pic related
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>People on /v/ actually picking Hearthstone
>ever

How bad has this board gotten
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>>362569803
I blame the election for bringing in normies from /pol/
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Shadowverse is actually good so that one.
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>Bahamut is done
>Granblue is next

I hope you're ready for shortstack the expansion
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>>362570016
Aslong as I get that cow Alicia
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I wanna play Shadowverse but i can't cause my mommy and daddy are in the room and they sneak peak at my screen every once in awhile.
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>>362569803
Well,you also have Clash of Clans threads and people feeling nostalgia over CoD 4 and Oblivion/Skyrim
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>People caring about what other people think of them because of a japanese card game

Since when /v/ has been like this?
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>>362567040
>most fucking people are okay with anime-looks in games

where do you live? obviously in some liberal shit hole thats most likely san fransico CA.
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>not playing real card games instead
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Shadowverse's characters just like look every other generic anime.
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I like Duelyst

I started a Shadowverse account when they were giving away booster packs a few days ago (got 48), but I really don't like the UI and the fact that you can't look at a card and see what it does, you have to click on it to inspect it. Makes it really hard to build a deck that isn't shite.
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>>362570685
I play physical MtG and Shadowverse.
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>>362563115
delicious bara dragon
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>>362569357
Why the fuck doesn't Dragon Pendant work with Altered Fate.

WHY.
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>>362570928
That's a really dumb excuse.
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>install Shadowverse
>forced to do tutorial
>can't even make my own decisions in the tutorial
>shit graphics
>awful vocie acting
>cheap animu artwork
>shit ui
At least Hearthstone puts some effort into it.
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>>362568879
Bulgariafag here.
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>>362571058
Is it? I'm sure if you had a general idea what each card does, it's much easier. I'd like to play two CCGs but it's just annoying having to memorize all of that when I'm also just starting to get harder into Duelyst.
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>8 mana
>3/3

what the fuck is this game?
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>>362571063
>effort
At least say Gwent or something.
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>Defending Hearthstone AT ALL after countless shitty expansions further stagnating the meta into an RNG vs. RNG mess

I've been playing more Shadowverse and Duelyst. Thank god other digital card games exist cause they feel like a breath of fresh air.
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>>362571205
she immediately summons her "best friend" when she's played.
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>>362571205
3/3 that summons lesbians anon.
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Shadowverse is less grindy than Hearthstone right?
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>>362571142
Slav countries don't care about loli as long as it's 2D. Obviously you don't go stapling a lolicon poster to your forehead in public, but the same is true of literally every fetish.
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>>362571312
you get more cards per pack and more gold from dailies compared to hearthstone.

and they shit out free packs for everyone.
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>>362570685
>new seasons of Wixoss had male characters
for what purpose
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>>362569705
>strongest
>can't even stand a little amount of card manipulation
step it up lolivamp
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>>362571401
>Slav countries don't care about loli as long as it's 2D.
What is Russia.
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>>362559309
Right. Monika, Grea and Daria could solo every single Hearthstone card in the game.
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>>362571205
Grea the Dragonborn:
>8 PP
>3/3, Evolved 4/4
>Fanfare: Summon an 'Anne, Belle of Mysteria' and evolve it
>Evolve: Can attack twice per turn

Anne, Belle of Mysteria:
>8 PP
>3/3, Evolved 4/4
>Fanfare, Summon a 'Grea the Dragonborn' and evolve it
>Evolve: Whenever this follower attacks, deal 2 damage to all enemies
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>>362571541
The new season was shit but all the male characters died anyway
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>>362571603
delet this
Vampy is pure
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>not playing on a MTG simulator instead

Normies...
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>>362571641
No one fucking knows, hell Russia didn't care about fucking CP 2 years ago. Honestly you're putting yourself at risk living there at all right now.
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>>362571603

fun game
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>>362571721
That's my biggest issue with Shadowverse.

If I want to evaluate a card, I have to click on the card and scroll down this giant list of stuff, half of which explains mechanics I already know because every CCG has, half explaining what the card actually DOES and why it's good or shit.

It's pushing my love for qt3.14 anime grills to the limit.
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>>362571839
They do now. Goverment went kinda nuts past three years.
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>>362571889
You learn the effects of your deck and of popular cards fast.

Sadly the lesbians are too slow for the current meta but they're probably good in Arena where the matches are slower.
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>>362571889
>giant list of stuff
You mean small footnote describing the stats of things it summons.
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>>362571401
>relax, they don't care about pedos
Is this how you pedos reason?
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>>362571889
But that's what makes Shadowverse good.
Cards actually do something, they aren't just fodder or have RNG effects like HS.
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>>362560078
so your counter argument is against something he didnt actually say so you just said "this is actually what you meant" and kept going? jesus christ fuck the day when people like you starting coming to this board
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>>362571839
>hell Russia didn't care about fucking CP 2 years ago
The laws are wonky and it's still possible to keep CP on your pc, it's only distribution that's illegal.
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>>362566045
>Americans continue to criticize Tolkien's work as "generic"
Sad.
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>>362564437
Discount Warhammer is still discount Warhammer.
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>>362572193
Tolkien's work wasn't generic but the plethora of humdrum fantasy shit that has followed it is.
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>>362572193
Don't be retarded, he criticizes the Tolkien-derivative works as generic, not the original work itself.
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>>362571990
The one you have to click on? Yeah that's the one. Now imagine having to click on every single card to get an idea of what you can/want to build.

>>362571985
It just seems like a super insurmountable wall from where I am, because it seems like the only option is to basically go in there with a starter deck and lose a bunch until you figure out the game.

In Duelyst at least you got handed a few powerful cards from the get go that could breeze you past P2W netdeckers in low tiers to silver, with every card needing very few words to explain what they do.

And I know I sound like some concern troll, so I'll say Duelyst is garbage because it can't do anything more geared-down than control because they don't know how to balance the value of a card. They seriously made a card that gives you 3 HP and draws you 3 cards that costs 4 mana. And it's not even that powerful of a card because aggro has a version that does damage.
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>>362563728
It's good when you have Bloody Mary so your opponent gets halved instead of you.
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>>362572546
But there's only a handful of cards that summon other cards, except for Havencraft.
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>>362567040
what if i don't like how shadowverse looks because it looks ugly
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I've been having more fun with Eternal
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>>362572546
Do you need to click on your card's effect every time in HS or Duelyst to know what it does? There aren't very many complicated effects in SV. Why would you put a card into your deck if you don't know what it does?
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>Elder scrolls>Hs>Shadowverse
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>>362562645
mój czarnuch

The game is awesome, although it's obvious it's very early in development, already found some really nasty bugs.
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>>362572829

This. Y'all niggas need to be playing the Elder Scrolls Card game.
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>>362572546
>In Duelyst
Duelyst and every other game that adds "tactical" positioning needs to fuck off. It never really adds proper depth to the game, makes it harder to add some cooler concepts, and makes it extra fiddly with moving your units around.
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how is the current meta for Shadowverse? I mean it this thing still dominated by the FUCKING elves and maybe Haven?
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Hearthstone: Summon a random random with a random random random.

Shadowverse: I go second, I've won.
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>>362572913
Is it another MtG knockoff or something different?
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>>362573000
The new expansion came out a few days ago so the meta hasn't stabilized yet
Some say elves are dead
some say they are better than ever
who knows
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>>362573000
No, its Tempo Rune and Aggro Blood now.
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>>362573014
I see, so Hearthstone is the essence of fun.
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Whats the less weeb looking class in Shadowcraft?
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>>362573014
Its only 6% more chance to win anon :^)
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>>362573094
It's the essence of "I didn't deserve that win" and "he only won because he rolled better numbers" instead of actual intelligent plays.
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>>362573047
no it's a reskinned game from some company you've never heard of, that's dead in the water since they gave up on patching it
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>>362573000
Nothing got nerfed, but now Discard dragon and aggro rune are popular

It's been roughly a week though, so no one knows what's gonna stick
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>>362573047
That's Eternal. TES:legends is another Shillstone knockoff but a lane addon.
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>>362572928
Fuck you
Every time game like Duelyst appears they fuck it up by forgetting they could concentrate on terrain manipulation and just power creep their minions to 7th heaven.
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>>362573115
Anime skeletons
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can't remember the last time i had fun in HS, it's the same blizz shit as the other blizz games log in do your shit log off.
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>>362572785
You're not hearing me.

In Duelyst, at least, it's all right there at a glance.

In Shadowverse, since I'm not really familiar with the cards, I have to click on each one to distinguish between a 3 mana 1/1 and a 4 mana 3/3, which doesn't sound bad until you want to make a deck and now you're learning about 30+ cards.

I really do want to get into Shadowverse but that's just not what I want to do, since it seems like the only way to go in is be a shitter long enough to learn what everything does. In Duelyst you could start out stomping on kids.
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>>362573047

It's similar to Hearthstone in terms of basic mechanics, but it has no hero powers, and there are two lanes for minions.

It's similar to Magic in that there are 5 different colors and you can combine any two when making your deck.
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>>362573014
The going second advantage in SV isn't any bigger than the going first advantage in HS.

They're also more likely to address the issue, seeing as they've changed the P1 vs P2 dynamic twice now.
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>>362573068
>>362573090
>>362573206
Good, I FUCKING hate elves no matter the setting.
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>>362573171
Hopes end, the game is just extremely fun at this state
You can cast so many of those its just really fun
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>>362573000
I beaten both recently by playing Neutralcraft.
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>>362572928
They don't need to fuck off, they need to fuck on. Grids are great but you shouldn't make the game like fucking hearthstone in every other respect. For one having hp balanced the same as attack and removal so prominent probably is a terrible decision

as is having everyone move the same
as is having basically no terrain effects and a tiny board
as is building the game around five minute matches
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>>362571889

You mean you have to read three lines of text? How dare they, fucking japanese
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>>362562645
Does Gwent have any prototypes or is it completely original?

Even more impressive since the core gameplay is solid as fuck.
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>>362573339
No, I have to read 90 and remember which 3 corresponded to which picture.
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>>362573115
Hard to say since every craft has their share of anime and non-anime cards, but your best bet is Shadow if you're willing to save up for Mordecai
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>>362573413
Don't forget that all the cards are undistinguishable anime girls too, whaito piggu :^)
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>>362559309
Shadowverse has such as stale meta so I sat left.
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>>362559309
Best ccg coming through
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>>362573246
even straight SRPG games forget about terrain manipulations, most don't even acknowledge height variation
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>>362559309

> one has glorious thicc panda
> the other has shitty monster girls
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>it's a 3 mana 3/2
>it does something but only under really difficult to achieve conditions
>it's actually strictly worse than this other card that does the same thing
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>>362571889
This is worse than Hearthstone how? Judging from the OP picture

>Kabal Chemist
>Battlecry: Add a random Potion to your hand.
What in the LITERAL FUCK is a potion? What does it do? How many are there? Am I gonna have to google this?
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>>362572903
FUCKING FIRST LIGHT BUG MY FUCKING SCREEN.
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Meanwhile Yu-gi-oh! is still the best card game ever.
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>>362573115
dragoncraft if youre a flaming homo faggot
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>>362573000
Haven is still strong as ever, they didn't get much but they also didn't get any nerfs despite pretty much everybody screaming for Elana nerfs.

Forest seems to have fallen off now but Forest is the most combo-intensive class so people may have simply not found the best combos. The new legendary they got is neat but seems to be too slow and doens't fit into current decks.

Sword got some neat followers like Amelia but its real prize is Albert, that guy is basically Jesus. Sword is still strong but its currently getting outshone by Tempo Rune and Aggro Bats which are a lot more aggressive. Lots of classes got strong AoE so Otohime isn't as powerful.

Dragon got lots of support for discard of all things but Imperial Dragoon takes the deck from being a joke to being something that works sometimes. They also got Mini-Dork who is a great supplment to Dork Dragoon and is a lot harder to remove.

Blood got an amazing follower in Yurius, who punishes early aggro hard and his 1/3 statline for a 2PP is perfect. Meanwhile there's Goblin Mage who's a neutral but she can search out Vampy, Blood Wolves or Yurius which makes Aggro Blood a lot more consistent. Sadistic Night is okay, Bloodhungry Matriarch is good but Control Blood is still a bit too slow to be T1.

Shadow got great cheap followers and lots of removal, including a way to stop banish from fucking them over. Khaway is a big "fuck you" to aggro. Nepnep is forever in maintenance.

Rune got Daria who is the most controversial card of the set and has made Aggro/Tempo Rune a thing. Daria can flood the field with followers and can do it again next turn if they pulled another Daria from her draw. I personally think she's overhyped. Dirtrune got some great cards in Dwarf Alchemist and Professor of Taboos, which makes them a lot more consistent.
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>>362573404
It seems to be based on the board game Condottiere.
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>>362573571
rip in peace Warsong Commander
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>>362573274

Yeah, I don't get it since all the info is printed on top of the cards, except for when they summon other stuff which is the exception rather than the rule.
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>>362573496
>stale meta
>there are like 9 competative decks that all play very differently (even if recently there's been too much aggro)
>there's another one that promises to be awesome once the card comes out of fucking maintenance, Nep best girl
>meta changes with every tournament and is extremely volatile right now post-expansion

By all means go back to Shamanstone. Or is it Piratestone now?
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>>362573014
Aggro bats wants to go first.
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>>362573480
I guess that's part of it. I like cute anime girls, but if the picture was of a goblin, I could remember "goblin has haste". Instead I have to remember "this girl is this card and this card is XYZ"

>>362573617
>This is worse than Hearthstone how?
It's not, and I dislike Hearthstone.

>>362573705
Maybe there's a tweak to have that on the card so I can glance at the card, without my mouse, and see everything I want to know? If there is, tell me. But having to click on a card to know what it does is annoying when you are trying to pick the game up and doing it in bulk.
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>>362559309
Depends, which one tugs harder from the wallet?
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>>362573681
>Forest seems to have fallen off now
Excellent.
>Haven is still as strong as ever.
I can't complain Eris is a qt
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>>362559375
if you actually think this then you have literal autism
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wheres my moon bunny leader you fucking gook trash shill
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>>362573643

That's not Magic the Gathering.

The problem with YuGiOh is that there is no currency (mana, gold, whatever) so every card power can only be limited by discard a card or sacrifice a card.
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>>362573643
i dont even know what the fuck is going on in YGO anymore
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>>362559309
right of course
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>>362562645
shit game
they made it p2w so early in development it's not worth anyone's time
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>>362573852
>It's not, and I dislike Hearthstone.
Ah fuck, I jumped to conclusions too fast. Either way, how can you dislike all the information you'd possibly want right in front of you?
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>>362573681
>daria
>overhyped
>lets you draw 5 cards
>DRAW 5 CARDS
>potentially for free
>spellboosts each card you drew 5 times

Daria isn't controversial, its universally considered to be broken as fuck.
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>>362573274
If anything just try and build a deck on a curve and see how it works out.

All you have to do is click a card to read its text, and if it, say, summons followers you can click the name of the follower to see what it does.
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>>362573681
Shiiet man do you know some new decks for control shadowcraft
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Play Discard Dragon
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>>362573404
closest game to Gwent I know is the Might and Magic game, which has "lanes". But that's literally it.


no real name-drops in articles about the creation of the witcher mini-game
http://www.pcgamer.com/the-making-of-gwent/

google-search for similar games just brings up suggestions of hearthstone
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>>362573960
you should watch the anime it's very helpful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loJRnUAmKBc
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>>362574023

just play lich.dek.
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>>362574019
>All you have to do is click a card to read its text, and if it, say, summons followers you can click the name of the follower to see what it does.
Yes but that's the issue.

All I have to do is click on ONE card to understand that one card. That's not to bad, but I have 90 cards and no idea what any of them do.
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>>362573852
>not remembering cards by names
I hope you don't get tricked by new legendary alt skins
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>>362559309
As far as card designs go left is superior because it has way more information on it.
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>>362574012
The problem is that Rune's follower quality is fucking shit.

The deck crumples over and dies to control and Haven just shits on it. The deck is also very inconsistent and relies on you drawing Daria very early and/or drawing Clark and spellboostable followers.

I think that it'll be stronger once its refined but it has definite weaknesses.
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Right
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As someone who wants to get started with Shadowverse, what's a good beginner deck to build and what should I be doing for resources starting out?
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>>362573985
No more p2w than other card games.

I managed to grind two semi decent decks (weather monsters and shroom infantry w/o some legendaries) in about 30 hours. The gold income is more consistent than that one in HS for example.
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No Krosmaga? ok...
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>>362574190
Are you fucking dumb? They printed shitton of good rune shit.
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>>362574201
Aggro blood. It's cheap to make, tier 1 and easy to learn. Requires no legendarys
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>>362574201
Roll dragon or shadow my dude
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>>362574201

Reroll until you get a good amount of legendaries and then decide. Cheapest deck is aggro blood, you should always have one for dailies.
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>>362574176
I probably would! That's the issue. I'm just echoing >>362574178 but bringing my own experience into it.
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>>362566045
I wouldn't exactly say that blue goat ladies from outer space are generic Tolkien.
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>>362574178
Too dumb to tap on a card for information you will only read once?
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>>362574254
nobody talks about Ankama games, only the thicc cartoons.

Krosmaga looks closer to Clash Royale or some shit.
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>>362574389
What's a "good amount"?
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>>362573875
Definitely HS, I have no idea why anyone would put more than ~20 dollars in SV unless you play all classes.
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>>362574492
Considering you're getting somewhere around 50 packs thrown at you when you start out, probably 7+
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>>362559309
Left is well designed art fitting with the overall tone and art of the game. Right is generic anime million year old dragon in a body of a goblin girl in the body of a real 8 year old girl.
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>>362574389
I think i'm passed the point of rerolling a whole new account, not even sure if what I got was good. Is there a decklist for aggro blood?
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>>362559375
Right doesn't have furry shit.
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>>362573906

Yugioh doesn't need a resource and works fine without it. It means you can have godly boards turn one but it since it goes both ways its balanced.

>every card power can only be limited by discard a card or sacrifice a card.

You clearly don't even understand how Yugioh works.
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>>362574161
Look up decklists, read their texts and see why they're in the deck.

Banner Sword runs a lot of cheap Officer cards, many with Storm, with their only Commander being Royal Banner so that the card that searches Commanders is guaranteed to pull it (although nowadays some run Albert because he's just that good).

Forest decks have a lot of Fairy generators and card that rely on a certain number of cards being played that turn.

Rune likes lots of ping and spellboost so that it can either stall for Dimension Shift or bring out Daria quickly.
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I recently dropped my meme card, it's all nice and animated and shit. Too bad I love being the scumbag midrange swordcraft
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>>362574432
Why have the need to tap in the first place?

This is exactly why UI design is so shit these days.
>let's make everything take as many steps as possible to do so the 10 year olds won't be confused by too much text on screen at once
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>>362574542
I needed 2000 crystals to buy 3 copies of the new dork dragoon.
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>>362574638
It's so that the focus of the card is on the art, because people actually enjoy looking at cute anime girls and skellies
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>no Android: Netrunner game
>they announced one
>it's a "set in the same world, but not the actual card game" game
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>>362559309
Right, for Monika
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>>362574190

Doesn't mean that Daria isn't a poorly designed card. The card is just pure RNG and promotes bad play. I've played games where someone poops out their entire hand, runs into AOE then draws 5 more. 3 times in a row.

Decks built around it can be inconsistent or clog but that doesn't mean the card itself is balanced.
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>>362574619
But infinite value. How can you not play that?
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>>362574713
forte is fucking shit though and the new art isnt even that great, why?
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>>362574738
I want to pat_ her head
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>>362574563
Oh, I got 3. So that's neat. One of the 3 is Daria though. Do you delete your account or just make a new one?
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>>362566654
>random

are u srs
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>>362569357
>svg
>meta discussion
>enter thread because I wanted to start the game
>ask for advise
>20 replies saying which girl is the best and completely ignore giving any advise about the game

Sure, meta as in porn.
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>>362574201
Aggro blood, storm heaven or banner sword.

i recommend you get into heaven, rune or dragon early since those are the crafts that can be easily upgraded once you get shekels to T1 decks.

blood is good at any point tho.
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>>362574816
>from your deck

Meaning you can heavily influence what you actually draw with it if you just build your deck right.
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>>362574857
it's a combination of both
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>>362568519
Except Aurelia gains an untargettable effect when the opponent controls 3 minions, forcing you to bait your opponent into a 3 field before dropping her, while the HS card is a mindless drop.
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>>362574735
Why not you know. make it so when you tap it you get to see the art instead so faggots like you can stop ruining UI design?
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>>362574780
To this day I keep one follower with bane in my deck just to be safe
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>>362574593

> Yugioh doesn't need a resource and works fine without it. It means you can have godly boards turn one but it since it goes both ways its balanced.

Yeah, it's fun to win on turn 1.

> You clearly don't even understand how Yugioh works

90% of card limitators:

> pay lifepoints
> discard a card
> offer a tribute

And another problem: the fact that there is no concept of monster damage. Which means that if you have 5 monsters with 1100 atk and the enemy has 1 monster with 1101 you can basically not do anything until you can buff one of your monters or destroy his. Meanwhile he can each turn destroy one of your own.
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>>362574882
Aggro Blood is already tier 1 thanks to gobu gobu and le based 2 drop man of ungabusting.
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>>362573643
>YGO
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>>362574795
check the reroll guide in the /svg/ OP
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>>362574492

Average of 1 per 8 packs so it depends how many they throw at you. Try to get more than the average since it's rerolling.

>>362574576

Try http://game-ai.jp/12306/

It's in japan but it's the bets net decking site.
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>>362574736
play in OCTGN if that is what you're looking for.
but yea so many LCGs that could benefit from the digital space and yetso many of them dead.

Doomtown, Call of Cthulhu, Warhammer40K Conquest, Ashes (kind of), The Spoils,
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Right if you're a dumb weeb faggot.

Left if you're a normie fuck.

You don't win this. Both choices are bad.
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holy shit /svg/ is fast

i thought the game died on steam
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>>362575037
>>362575052
Thanks bros, I'll give this another shot then. Any tips for a guy who was a MTG ringer and generally at least knows the basics of CCGs?
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>>362559309
>HS fags triggered by le need to click cards to see information maymay when shit like kabal chemist exists
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>>362559309
right
artstyle is better and higher quality
less rng bullshit and more combo decks
much easier to play as f2p even tho i don't
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>>362575204
SV UI design sucks tho. Gwent is better, except the deckbuilder part.
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>>362575176
japan has it won client or something DMM or whatever
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>>362574035
What's Rowen called in Japan? Pixiv gives nothing when i search Rowen.
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Do people here really have an issue with a tap?
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>>362575249
maybe of you posted an actual good art instead
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>>362574984
The only problems with YGO are not using keywords and Konami being retarded printing absolutely broken cards to sell a specific deck and making the banlist a mess
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>>362574795
Daria is a great card but only 3 legos is horrible luck.

Here are the legendaries you want:

Forest:
>Ancient Elf
>Crystalia Tia

Sword:
>any of them because they're literally all great

Dragon:
>Dark Dragoon Forte
>Imperial Dragoon

Shadow:
>Cerberus
>maybe Nepthys but nobody knows because she's currently unusable

Rune:
>Merlin
>Daria, Dimentional Witch

Blood:
>Bloody Mary
>Queen Vampire
>Bloodhungry Matriarch

Haven:
>Enstatued Seraph
>Moon Al-mi'raj
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>>362575135
>play in OCTGN if that is what you're looking for.
yea, I know about that
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>>362574638
Because most people don't want the card texts took half the card space.
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>>362574571
Do you guys actually know anything about mythology? You just described a lot of gods' antics. Especially Roman ones.
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>>362568720
I made both posts and I was making a joke based on the latest south park, I don't actually wanna fuck dwarf perfumer. She looks cute nonetheless and it appeals to me, you know, the same sensation as when you see a cute cat
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Are any of the buyable pre-built decks good in SV?
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>>362575189
Rune has MTG storm as craft mechanic, sword is white weenies, blood has red deck wins and mono black control, forest has time spiral mistyc snake lion shaeningans, heaven has jund and U/W control, dragon is prime time and those 20% winrate budget combo decks, shadow its theros aggro black decks withouth rat and some sort of B/W control.
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Are people seriously still playing aggro rune? I thought everyone had figured out it's a meme deck by now.

It's horrificly inconsistent, half the time the deck straight up bricks off and does nothing. Even when it gets a good draw and goes off with Daria it still gets shit on by Themis and Revelation, and often outsped by aggro blood and sword.
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>>362575463
Most people are morons. It takes you like max 20 seconds to figure out how Lord of the Flies work.
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>>362570998
...how would it even?
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It seems left got btfo
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Just saying. Hearthstone has over 50 million players and Shadowverse can barely scrap together 10,000 players.

It's pretty sad how you people still think you're relevant.

http://www.polygon.com/2016/4/26/11511890/hearthstone-50-million-players-2016
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Give me a reason to bother with Weebverse when there aren't any good boys that aren't overdesigned pieces of shit like Azazel.
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>>362575530
>those 20% winrate budget combo decks
H-HEAR THE DRAGON ROAR
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>>362575527
They're not meant to be played as a deck, you buy them to get a head start on legendaries and to get alt art for cute girls.

Avoid the Haven one because Jeanne D'Arc is a garbage card
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>>362575530
The archetypes I did pretty much figure out since they were pretty not subtle in what they do. I mostly mean which cards I should craft first.
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>>362575543
Is there a Medusa-card? Never seen one, but her gaze is in the game
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>>362575281
I just wish they kept the comfy look of the W3 Gwent or the dice poker. I guess it's still work in progress though.
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>>362575649
There's always Vampy (male)
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>>362575649
Veight might be something for you
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>>362575645
>concurrent players = total amount of players ever
everi tiem
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>>362575281
True, using the same UI as the mobile version makes no sense at all
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Do mobile PC/Mobile versions have crossplay?
I mean, if i start on one platform can i continue on the other one?
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>>362575605
Then fun and complex cards like this will never exist.
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>>362573530
Tbh Blood needs a card that has cost equal to your health, or half your health.
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>>362559309
Gwent.
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>>362575741
New UI is more fucntional tho.
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>>362575649
I got like 8 of these in my 15 first Bahumut packs.

More like Rise of Homolust, am I right?
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This one.
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>>362575806
yes
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>>362575037
Uh, so I got the game on Steam first. Does this mean I'm SOL?
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>>362575645
http://www.gosugamers.net/heroesofthestorm/news/29847-heroes-of-the-storm-flourishes-with-9-million-users-registered-for-beta

Hots literally has over 9 millions players. Dotard and lolbabs btfo
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>>362575904
Sektor more like SEXtor amirite gachiGASM
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>>362575989
You can overwrite it later.
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>>362575861
It's possible to do a combination of both. It's a fucking boardgame, boardgames are meant to be fun. Hearthstone does it extremely well.
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>>362575935

Dendrophilia general?
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>building a deck around roach combos
Goblin Mage is a godsend. This is pure cancer.
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>>362575935
I feel too old
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>>362575727
Sure is.
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>>362575668
jeannu is good though in sunlight satan decks
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>>362575904
SUGITA
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>>362576070
dumb Nicoposter
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Can someone explain the classes on YGO terms?
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>>362576096
But sunlight satan is itself a garbage deck, especially now that Bahamut basically outlcasses Satan.
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>>362576036
Ok, since the reroll guide I found on /svg/ generally refers to WHEN you should reroll instead of how, I'm imagining it's obvious how on the phone, since you can't reroll in Steam. But in case it isn't, how do I do that?
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>>362575645
Blizzard often cheats when they count their players. Like, they have probably even counted my account even though I haven't been online for months.

Also, Shadowverse is big in Japan
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>>362559309
Left because I can see what it does with a simple glance
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Nothing kills a thread faster than shadowverse fags.

Later.
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>>362574542
Okay, question time:
Can you get all content but cosmetics without paying?
What's the payment model? Cosmetics, pay2notgrind, pay2notwait, pay2win, premium services, freemium, subscription,etc
Can I play without spending a single cent at all?
All of this about shadowverse ofc
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>>362573985
>p2w
>gwent
What?
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>>362576185
I've never been through the process of rerolling myself, since I started out with 8 legendaries on my first roll. Maybe a kind anon here or on /svg/ could help you out.
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>>362576057
Dunno, Gwent is fine to me.
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>>362575718
Blood: craft vania.
Sword: buy pre cons for control, craft alvidas for banner meme
Rune: decide either D shift or darias, craft levis.
forest: pre cons or bleed dust, craft roach.
Dragon: nigga please, craft forte for aggro, bleed dust for ramp.
Heaven: Garudas for storm, craft themis for whatever, elana for control.
shadow: dunno its a meme craft.
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>>362576185
On phone you just delete local files.
Settings -> Apps -> SV -> Clear Data
Run the game and skip the tutorial.
You can't reroll on Steam as far as I know.
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>>362576214
>Also, Shadowverse is big in Japan

Vast majority of matches I had was with nippon letters and boy, are they shit at this game
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>>362576092
So her effect is just that she has first-strike-Bane?
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>>362575645
Bad bait.

SV has 5 million Japanese players and is still growing (Cygames other big title GBF hit 12 million active accounts last year). It's only recently starting to get traction in the west because of Blizzard's indoctrination holding some people hostage and childish preconceptions about anime.
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>>362567304
the problem there probably is you not getting a job and your own house
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>>362559309
Neither
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As a new player what should I aim to build?
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>Not even a single bingo
>Already outdated
Fuck this
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>hearthstone threads are inevitably taken over by shadowverse
>/hsg is completely dead with SV shitposters picking its bones
Come play the actually alive game anons
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>>362576185
use an emulator, update the code link to your steam with your emulator code when you feel satisfied with the pulls.
>>
Why does everyone hate forest when Haven exists?
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>>362576281
It's very hard to get at least 1 decent deck as a f2p player without spending 12 hours per day playing this shit, because rare/epic cards are very crucial
only 5 card in barrels

i regretted every minute playing this shit game game
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>>362576381
It's not childish preconceptions about anime.
I watch anime daily and I still find SV to have one of the most offputing art styles in vidya history.
The anime art clashes with absolutely everything in the game. With the UI, the board, the card border. Everything. Also it's some of the most generic anime art I've seen. I've seen less generic anime art on fucking Deviantart done by westerns.
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>>362570434
Since 2011, when Reddit took over the board.
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>>362576269
only thing you can't get with in-game currency are pre-built decks with an alternate art shiny legendary, rest you can grind out
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>>362576540
>4chin is so shit it took 1 month for this post to process
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>>362570928
>I like Duelyst
I dropped Duelyst for Shadowverse, fuck Duelyst and their retarded balancing.
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>>362576070
Stop being everywhere, you pompous bitch!
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>>362574035
I already do
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>>362576724
They need more board wipes, yeah.
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Fav art?

Coral looks dope as fuck.
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>>362576724
>, fuck Duelyst and their retarded balancing.
duelyst also looks like pixelated trash a lot of the time
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>>362576603
I haven't bought a single keg and had almost all cards before the release of the new cards 2 weeks ago.

My issue as a f2p player is that there aren't strategies that would work for a F2P player anymore. I remember doing a weather Monster deck as my starter deck and it was not only viable but OP as hell for a starter deck and got a decent win ratio so much that in less than a week I had enough ore and scraps to build a decent deck and get better cards.

The problem is that the patches have been working to change the meta of the game and haven't been focusing on methods that work for players that are just entering the game. If you want in, this is a bad time since most of us that have been playing for months the beta already have most of the cards thanks to how generous the game actually is with players (that don't lose constantly).
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>generic anime sluts: the game

No thanks, If I wanted to play a cardgame with japanese art, I'd go for Yugioh, at least their artist actually have anything resembling originality.
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>>362576910
>announce Coral
>release Coral as completely different card
I guess that's allowed
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>>362576910
Almost every fucking art int Gwent looks dope as fuck. Francesca tho.
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>>362574563
I only got 35 packs after finishing the tutorial.
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>>362576718
are we talking about korean tier grinding or monster hunter grinding?
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>>362576910
She is also OP as hell. I love her with Geralt Aard they both wreak the shit out of almost any deck. Gotta love Skellige.
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>>362576619
Your post reminded me how retarded people on /v/ are when it comes to anime.

>It's generic because I say so
>generic generic generic

Never mind the fact that they have like 30 artists with wildly different styles and different themes, from edgy skeletons to homoerotic vampires to giant monsters to heavy armor knights.

But no, you faggots see two cute girls and instantly throw your hands in the air in an autistic fit.
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>>362574580
Right is worthless then.
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>>362576975
You can still build shroomsfaggots with Shani alone and Skellige is bretty fucking cheap sans Coral and Aeromancy.
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>>362576269
Been playing f2p since last month and so far ive managed to reach A1 and couple of tier 1 deck pic related. You can get the leader cosmetics without spending real money as dailies/achievement gave you shitton of rupies
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>>362577065
You also get a fuckton of gold to work around with, don't you?
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>>362577032
a lot better than "Sam Didier" American comicbook cancer that Blizzard are stuck on.
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>>362577159
got'em
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>>362559309
the art of shadowverse is so fucking bad. hte game is good though. if we're going based on card art, left, if we're going based on gameplay, right.
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>>362577032
There is some inconsistency in quality, but epics and legs are mostly epic and legendary just as they should be.

They also put Milva's last moments on her art, heartless bastards.
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>>362577201
who's this dumb animeslag?
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>>362577201
Oh shit.

I got like 48 tickets on my shit draw 12/31/2016, blew my chance. That sucks. Which packs should I buy? Is one superior to another?
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>get free Bahamut packs
>oh boy a new animated card I wonder what it looks like evolved!
>literally nothing

Are the artists getting lazy?
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>>362577254
Animated Radovid is fucking dope.
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>>362577115
Weather in general is a giant fuck.

I feel a lot of the problems with Gwent is how a lot of effects are "extremes". Scorch, Horn, weather, rez chains, summon chains, gold-ing a whole row, etc.
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>There are people unironically using weeb as legitimate criticism for a game
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>>362577156
Yeah, wildly different styles and themes for the few useless cards, but the rest is generic waifu shit.
Also homoerotic vampires are as fucking generic as it gets for anime.
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>>362577359
b-but the mole
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>>362577359
Yes because they are not CD Project RED.
>>362577425
Weather is meh because everyone uses 2 or 3 First Lights.
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>>362577115
I'm on team Henselt. Pulling off the ballistas combo is so satisfying.
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>>362577065
Wait, is there a secret bonus after finishing the campaign? I still haven't bothered with all of them
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>>362577359
she gets flipped and has red clothes!
Totally different.
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>>362577379
>new animated radovid
>no boob jiggle
it's not like I checked or anything
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>>362577359
That's how all their evolved cards look and it's my biggest complaint
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>>362577502
you also can play vs elite AI as every class and win
you get like 1400 gold for that
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>>362577183
Yeah, I have no clue because I already have most cards but my issue with the patches has been that they are working like content updates in MMOs where the updates are centered around the small fraction of the base that already did most of the content and are waiting for new shit or balance shit that is already in the game and not focusing on a general sense in the game.

For example the change in the passive of the Monster to avoid Gold cards was stupid, because the starter Monster Weather deck only had 2 golds and that was mostly the only way to win with that deck. You put Eredin and then flood the board with weather. Or put Eredin, Geralt and then weather or just pass. Changing the passive completely killed the only starter deck that could stand a chance against competitive decks.
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>>362577084
cygames are far too generous when it comes to free packs and cash. There's a login bonus from 30 dec. to 2 jan that gives a total of 1100 free gold (that's a lot) and if you play private matches with 20 different ppl you get 2000 free gold (again, a lot)
If something happens, most of the time you get free packs (a dev winning a MtG tournament, hit X followers on twitter, etc.)
Did almost no grinding at all to make 4 competitive tier decks for free
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>>362577440
what about homoerotic undead tokens?
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>>362577542
But there are plenty that look different enough evolved that you can tell at a glance on the board that it's an evolved card.
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>>362559309
Left, people actually play it
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>>362559309

>not playing the superior online game

hahahaha
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>everyone saying how generous Shadowverse is with tons of free packs when you start and how the drop rate of legos is high
>download the app on my phone
>finish tutorial and open the free 35 packs
>1 legendary
>reroll
>skip tutorial and open the free 35 packs
>0 legendaries
>reroll, skip tutorial and open the free packs again
>1 legendary
>reroll a few more times
>always 0-2 legendaries

Why are you faggots lying so much? Sure, the game gives you tons of free packs, but I need 3 copies of the legendary yet I can barely get one useful lego. I grinded enough in Shitstone, no I way will I waste any more time grinding.
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>Still no Nep
We gettin free packs for this shit right?
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>>362577493
First light is so useless. Specially against Skellige, mostly because Skellige builds card advantage, so much that is useless to save up first light for Coral/Aeromancy since Skellige will most likely always ended up with 2 cards over you.
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>>362577597
It's not like current monster weather is very expensive. You should probably craft Geralt: Aard if you like weather decks anyway.
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>>362577084
More like Extremely Nice Japenese MTG Nerds Wants Their Online Cardgame To Be Liked And Played grinding.

One of these days the log-in bonuses are going to be free blowjobs or something
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>>362577498

favourite voice line is that "are you sure, I'd do it differently"
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>>362577425
I love that about the game, you always have to have in mind what are the effects and how you can counter them or use them in your favor, if anything what I hate the most is the wounding mechanics since basically it made everyone and their mother play control decks.
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>>362577824
You Decoy their spies and you NEVER EVER GO FOR ROUND 3 vs SKELLIGE FUCKING FUCK HOW DO YOU WIN.
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>>362577854
>free blowjobs from MTG nerds
noty
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>>362559309
>Random chance to do a random number of random random
Vs
>A game which required thought, skill, adaptation, intelligence, or an unga bunga me hit face deck
Tough choice
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>tfw Duelyst failed so hard it's not even in the comparison

So sad, it could have been something great if the devs had their shit together. It's still fun tho.
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>>362574738
she's so small
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>>362577918
>wounding mechanics
I'm not sure what you mean, stuff like Az' Thunder?
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>>362577979
It's okay anon, we will pretend they are Erika
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>>362577542
Check them:
https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/101231040
https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/101041020
https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/102621010
https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/100621020
https://shadowverse-portal.com/card/100721020

And ofcourse there are alot more.
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>>362559818
>362559818
because pirate warrior is so expensive
lmao
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>>362577714
>complaining about free packs
go back to heartstone you dense motherfucker
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>>362577847
Yeah but monster weather decks (specially starter decks) aren't viable anymore, mostly because monster can't build card advantage at all so you will always have to face up a first light in the opponent hand. The only factions that can play weather as a last powerplay are ST and SK mostly because they build card advantage all over the game.
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>>362577156
all of those are generic anime

they look like what a manga artist would draw as enemies in some rpg game that his characters are seen playing briefly
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>>362578017

hearthstone is dogshit though

it's only kept up by the brand like most of blizzard games
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>>362577084
What everyone loves to ignore about the grind when telling you how nice it is, is that you can have up to 3 copies of a legendary in your deck. And they are a must have. And they have a very low drop rate.
Compared to Hearthstone it's much easier to get one, but it's harder to get all the legos you need because of this.
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Neither, I choose Elder Scrolls Legends
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>>362577857
Do you want to tickle me?
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>>362559309
the left look like SJWs trying to hard.

>"look at us different women!"
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>>362576374
she kills everything she touches without getting damaged just like her gaze
but its only for offensive and she usually gets killed easily
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>>362578116
agree, Duelyst vs Shadowverse would probably been more interesting
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>>362577857
>DAMMIT
>A
>M
>M
>I
>T
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>>362578116
Actually I think HS is popular for the same reason the League and Counterstrike - they hit the mainstream first with easily accessible games. I don't remember any easy casual friendly card game before Hearthstone. By the time other devs realised the potential, Blizzard was already entrenched.
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>>362577854
Well, you've got me in, time to find the downloadable
During my incursions to pandaland it seemed like it had good porn as well
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>>362578094
Yeah, I will complain about the free packs when all you faggots do is praise how it's easy and fast to get into the game without much grinding.
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>>362578105
Dunno, I'm not that good by any means but Monster Weather has been pretty consistent to me up to 1000-1100. It is also good against Shroomfantry which is always nice.
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>>362577714
Average is 1 leggo every 8 pack or something, they cant fuck with the rates and must show the odds public as it was regulated by japanese law. Your got shit luck senpai
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>>362578235
they are not that different though. HS-players don't realise that feministst hate their design as well.
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>Smug lolis: the card game: has simple and similar mechanics but requires more skill than HS

Explain this and Il switch
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>>362577948
I have been playing SK since launch and got to the position 60 in ranked playing only my Skellige deck since the start of the Beta ( I did add legendary cards).

And I agree, against SK you never ever go to round 3 or pass early in round 1. But it is hard for most to do so, also decoy doesn't help that much against SK, since SK has Donar, Birma, Uldaryk, Decoy, Sigf (that could be used to reuse a spy from the graveyard). The only faction that can stand against SK card advantage is ST.
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>>362578105
I've got a hybrid Monster deck. It's got a couple of weather effects (that gold unit who puts down Frost), but 3 clear skies and the weather removal griffen. the rest is Nekkers (buffed with Ghouls) and other creatures that respawn into the next round (Regis, cow, etc)

1st round combo, is Thunder on an opponent unit, eating it with a ghoul, then putting out nekkers.

Sometimes I get card advantage.
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>>362578017
>tfw infinity wars failed so hard it's not even mentioned in these threads by anyone that isn't me
even though I sometimes can queue for 20 minutes before finding a game it's still more fun than any online card game I've ever played
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anyone played elements?
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>>362578042
Yeah, specially in unit cards or gold cards. Before the last patch everyone and their mother were playing Radovid control deck.
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Someone post that video you know which one
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>>362578113
>everything has been depicted in anime at one point
>therefore everything is "generic anime"

Why do I even bother arguing with /v/ermin about things they're willfully ignorant of
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>>362578454
SK it probably the hardest matchup for Radovid Control because fuck, you can't go r3.
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>>362578292
Duelyst would lose that hands down, its card design is just stupid compared to Shadowverse. And that's from someone who still plays it.
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>>362578346
I love more the "It is not your lucky day", specially with Geralt Aard that with weather can completely decimate an entire row.
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>>362578348
That is probably also true, but among those players who are hardcore they are only staying in the game because it is Blizzard and you should never ever betray Blizzard!!!

That's what my brother sounds like
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>>362578423
We don't care what feminists like or not.

>>362578436
From my few hours long experience, the only real difference is less RNG. That's it. End of the story.
Overall, HS has currently more viable playable classes with only Hunter and Paladin being literally unplayable on ladder.
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>>362577502
>>362577590
also theres currently an achievement that gives you 100 g for each unique opponent you battle ( and dont concede) in private matches up to 2000g of rewards
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>>362578470
Regis and Cow are useless, get Kayran, Witchers and Caretaker and EAT EVERYTHING.
>>362578683
I play Russian version. TEPПETЬ HE MOГУ ПOPTAЛЫ.
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haha, hey guys, remember Scrolls, haha, Notch is a great game designer, haha

>Microsoft killed this as soon as they bought Mojang for Minecraft
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I wanted to say that hs had less grind because you only need one legendary, but somehow I have several almost complete decks in shadowverse after playing since steam came out and only two in hearthstone after a year.
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>>362578578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlr_zBGzi_Y
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>>362578610
i think you're so immersed into the swamp of shitty jap art that you can't even recognize that you are
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>>362578374
Wait, isn't HS in japan? Don't they also have to release publicly the odds for their cards as well?
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Holy shit I just went against an ambush sword, ABSOLUTE MADMAN!
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>>362578436
Doesn't have crazy RNG-effects that fucks over good player and the Evolve-mechanic makes it so both players stay afloat a bit longer and therefore you have a better chance of recovering. Also there is a 5 creature-limit who has to share spaces with Amulets, so Zoo-decks aren't that strong
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Shadowverse shills are so delusional.

The game is even faster and more aggressive than Hearthstone. The match-ups are incredibly imbalanced. The card design is dry as fuck. Neutral cards are awful. The list goes on and on.

It's amazing that they actually managed to create a game that's WORSE than Hearthstone.

I guess giving away free shit goes a long way towards convincing your game's good.
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>>362578810
The irony in that statement is so unbelievable I don't mind giving your shitpost a (you)
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>>362578943
you've already made up your mind

there is no arguing with you
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>>362578610
When people say it's generic anime they mean
>take a theme
>slap on a pair of big tits or make it a loli
>call it a day

That's Shadowverse. It's either lusty busty onee-san or it's a lusty "pure" 8 year old that totally isn't an 8 year old but thousand year old vampire.

The only even remotely good art in SV is the non-humanoid art.
Go on Pixiv and you already have better and less art than in SV.
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>>362578742
I like them, when you bunch of load together. I've started a new round with 26 point on the board via that mechanic. Regis' vampire form, Chort, buffed Nekkers, monster carry-over passive, etc.
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>>362578687
I think it's a self-perpetuating cycle at this point - the game caters to casuals and provides entertaining lolrandum gameplay, which makes it really popular to stream - this in turn keeps the community interested since it's profitable

the only people who are really punished by this are those who try to play it competitively and are trapped in a mediocre game with hilarious balance problems - the casuals who play a couple matches per day or just tavern brawls aren't affected by that, nor do they care
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>>362578920
>The card design is dry as fuck.
Try harder next time, i beg you.
>>362579014
The bad part is that Regis: Higher Vampire is now Silver and that sucks.
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I cant wait for Shadowverse to run out of serious cards to use and gets into the really weird shit in Bahamut.
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>>362578908
Kek.

Evolve is a mediocre mechanic. At any decent level it just becomes a spamfest of evolving to contest your opponent's evolved creature, repeat until you run out of points.

It also doubles as a strong tool for aggro, giving them the chance to buff their minions and get 2*X (x being the evolve points) free damage to face, in a game with 20 hp...


Aggro/zoo is way stronger in Shadowverse than in HS. Aggro bat/banner sword consistently end games by turn 6. The space limit is barely relevant at that point, plus with 20 hp you don't need as many creatures to win the game.
I'll give you the RNG part - this game is very light on RNG.
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>>362579106
Look at the competitive decks. The cards worth playing are horribly boring.

Oh cool, so you have wacky shit like Satan? Too bad nobody plays it.
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>>362578920
>faster than Hearthstone

Only in aggro mirrors. Play Seraph/Control Sword/etc and games will always go on for a while. Also, short games don't mean no one was making decisions, that only happens if both players are unga bunga aggro retards.
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>>362578779
Do you have the other one, much faster and techno?
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>>362579106
Why is that bad? Now you can actually eat him up with Ekimmara, Kayran etc.
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>it's a "random western mythological figure but now it's a sexy bishonen" card
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>tfw to intelligent too play anything but combo deck
curvestonefag needs to check their privilege
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>>362579228
> Oh cool, so you have wacky shit like Satan?
Satan is Elise but is actually good instead of STORIES TO TELL YOUR FRIENDS. It's meh because most control decks have better wincons now. Like, Seraph is faster AND have less counters.
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>>362578578
https://youtu.be/rOpVJPBZjHs?t=28m10s
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>>362579332
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>>362579230
>Control Sword

Pretty much this, I'm F2P for about a month and got a decent control sword deck to B3 rank so far. Aggro are one of my best matchups, almost never lose.

I get wrecked often by combo Runecraft but that's expected for a control deck.
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Daria deck is seriously disgusting when it goes right.
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>>362579328
It takes a gold slot. Slap Caretaker, Renew, Avallac'h or Geralt: Igni.
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>>362579230
>Only in aggro mirrors

Wrong. Only if an aggro deck participates is the correct way to put it.

Even control vs aggro is 6 turns. Either they win by then, or lose.


Hell, "long" games in Shadowverse are turn 9, turn 10 MAX (that's around when d-witch and purgatory get their combo up).
In Hearthstone, that's about the standard against an aggro deck.


> Also, short games don't mean no one was making decisions

They kinda do. Shorter games = less cards and less mana = less possible options. It's not that complicated.

What can your control Sword or Seraph even do in a short game that constitutes decision making? They have very few low cost cards.
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>>362579135
Classes actually have tools to contest evolved followers without using evolve themselves, and makes players play around how they're going to use evolves.
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>>362579437
It's not about whether you win or lose, it's about how utterly dull it is to play against aggro.


Also, control sword is horribly boring in itself. The cards have a linear design. The only interesting cards in that deck are Leonidas and Alexander.
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>>362579303
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsjb4XyTErs&t=5s
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>>362579135
Not him but

Aggro is strong but Control beats it easily.

Real issue is that noone plays control because it gets so easily countered by Dshift, Seraph, Satan and similar.
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>>362577714
I played Hearthstone for a long time and maybe i have like 3 legos from packs.
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I liked evolution better when it was in duel masters
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>>362579487
>Hell, "long" games in Shadowverse are turn 9, turn 10 MAX (that's around when d-witch and purgatory get their combo up).

I don't see the problem with matches ending in lategame.

>In Hearthstone, that's about the standard against an aggro deck.

lol no, I watch enough HS pro streamers to know that's bullshit
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>>362579350
>ptp takes skill
lmao@yrlife, play real thinking man deck like Dshift son
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>>362578168
Unless you play all crafts or aren't willing to liquefy legendaries, this isn't a problem. I play Haven and Blood and got 2 competitive decks for each without a single cent in the game, and it took like me a month to get there.
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>>362578812
No because Blizzard isn't located in Japan.
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>>362577712
Magic is a much better game than all of this trash games but they can't make even one game not shit on pc
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>>362579690
>>362579350
cuck
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>>362578049
How THICK are her thigs? Holy shit.
Petite girl with big ass, average chest and thick thigs is a strong combo.
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>>362579654
It's a problem I touched upon already. The match-ups are incredibly imbalanced in Shadowverse. I used to insta-concede against d-witch as Elana.

Also, nobody cares about winning or losing here, I'm talking about the fun itself and how short the game is.

So the aggro rushes face and you trade/heal up for 6 turns, then you win. Wow, what a fascinating game.

Really, all I'd do when laddering is have these boring aggro games against Bloodcraft/Sword/Storm Haven, concede against Witch, lose to Purgatory, and beat the shit out of LOLdragoncraft and DOUBLELOLshadowcraft.

Boring, boring shit.
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>>362579131
>Fighter will never be useful
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>>362579819
Because WoTC need to sell paper. Good online client means less paper.
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>>362578920
my main problem with HS was that everyone seemed to have decks stuffed with legendary cards that just singlehandedly rekt half my deck. I can't even recall how many times I was on the brink of victory and then the guy just slaps some million/million with taunt who also summons other 8/8 taunts and then just slaps my shit for 20 in one turn and wins. Also every second card has bullshit RNG mechanics.

In Shadowverse pretty much everyone has decks stuffed with legendaries, including me, thanks to the free shit you get at the very beginning. The Evolve mechanic is pretty rad, and with very rare occurence of RNG cards, I actually feel like I'm in control of what is happening on the board. I have like 30 hours in SV already and never once did I think to myself after a lost match "that was fucking bullshit," I always lost fair and square due to my mistakes. It could be a prettier game, yes, but just in terms of gameplay it shits all over Hearthstone (even without the free legendaries.)
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>>362579472
>Caretaker, Renew, Avallac'h or Geralt: Igni.
It's still gold when you play it, so some utility vs weather, or removal. And with ghouls to eat it from graveyard, and anti-weather it's got some utility.
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>>362578578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzWfW0dqS7U
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>>362579675
>lol no, I watch enough HS pro streamers to know that's bullshit

You think you get to argue when you just watch people play? Top jej.

Tell me how quickly games would end against aggro or ebola Paladin? Hell, even Shaman. These decks physically can't muster up the damage to win by turn 6. In Shadowverse, by turn 6 it's decided.


In fact about the only exception to that is from right now, when Hearthstone went turbo aggro with the pirate shit.
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>>362579909
But the cards i mentioned are simply better for consume Momsters and Caretaker is simply broken.
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>>362579857
dragon and shadow are actually pretty viable in ranked right now as all the d-shit rune cancer hoped on the daria bandwagon

they got some pretty good card this expansion too
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>>362579487
Aggro games in HS often decided by turn 1 (if they draw Patch or no pirates) or turn 5-6 (if opponent doesn't draw Reno)
And 30mins control mirrors till fatigue is just fucking boring and feel really bad when you lose.
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>>362579135
The evolve mechanic is great because it gives you, the player who is taking a beating, a chance to put out a follower and regain some board, especially if you use your evolve-points on the right kind of follower.

I don't know what rank you are playing, but I'm not having trouble with those decks you mention and I play a BloodControl deck. I got cards like Revelation, Masked Butcher, Abyssal Beast, Angelic Barrage, Goblinmount Demon etc that counters shit like that.
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>>362579903
As I said, you got courted quite easily and efficiently by the free shit so you're overlooking the gameplay.

>" I always lost fair and square due to my mistakes

Utter, utter bullshit. Shadowverse has the biggest case of "opening hand syndrome" I've seen since Yugioh. Non-control games are almost entirely dictated by the opening hand and the first couple of draws.
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>>362579857
>/Sword/Storm Havean/Witch, lose to Purgatory
>in current meta
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I should add 1 duck to my decks
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>>362559309
Left is an objectively better game, but I like to play right for the anime girls. One nice benefit of right is that you can buy anime girl heroes for the classes that don't default to one.
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>>362559309
Left because I don't know what the fuck the cards on the right do
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>>362580089
>entirely dictated by the opening hand and the first couple of draws
HS?
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>>362580217
How did she got up there?
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>>362580070
I used to be AA0 or 1 IIRC.

I also explained already why it's not about winning or losing as much as it is about how terribly boring it is. Games are decided by turn 6 - either way. Either they didn't do enough damage and you seized board, or they DID do enough damage and you're fucked.

It's BORING.

The evolve mechanic would have more potential if it removed storm and replaced it with rush. As it stands, it's a way for aggro players to milk 4-6 damage for free, which offsets the whole control aspect it gives the player who is behind (control/combo usually).
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>>362573274
>I don't want to get into Shadowverse because I actually have to learn the game
You are an idiot

>>362580145
>Left is an objectively better game
It really isn't
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>>362579969
>You think you get to argue when you just watch people play? Top jej.

Top Legend rank players? Yes, I'd say their experience is more relevant than the story you pulled from your ass.

>These decks physically can't muster up the damage to win by turn 6.

What are you, rank 18? Ebola Paladin? Now I know you're either in shit tier ranks or haven't played in months. Paladin has zero good aggro decks right now. Shaman/Warrior can end the game turn 5/6 with lethal.

I'm assuming you haven't played in months, your experiences are outdated.
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>>362579997
well, I can fit caretaker as well.
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>>362580045
This. I watched my brother play vs a Pirate-aggro warrior deck and the only reason why my brother won was that his opponent forgot to attack the first turn (my brother won with 1 HP left... real balanced...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Gn2IslXVA
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>>362580304
That first bit is literally every game like these
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>>362580089
>Utter, utter bullshit. Shadowverse has the biggest case of "opening hand syndrome" I've seen since Yugioh. Non-control games are almost entirely dictated by the opening hand and the first couple of draws.
DUDE LITERALLY EVERYFUCKING CARD GAME
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>>362580304
If you play control you should have wards
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>>362580217
>>362580265
I like that card just for that and the art, but the mechanic is pretty good too with mushroom buffs
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>>362580093
I haven't played the new expansion, and I doubt there is a real "meta' after a week of it being out.

I'm relaying experiences from last meta, where I played a substantial amount.

>>362580242
Hearthstone also suffers tremendously from this, don't get me wrong. It's aggro/aggressor favored and incredibly influenced by the opening hand. But Shadowverse is (was?) a bigger offender because games are even shorter in it.


I don't see why Shadowshills are taking offense at this, it's a fact. It's a game designed for quick cell phone sessions on the train for Japanese people.
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>>362580304
I much rather have a game decided by turn 6 than turn 1
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Did someone say weather?
fuck you, I love foglets
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>>362580304
> AA0
> "The evolve mechanic would have more potential if it removed storm and replaced it with rush.A s it stands, it's a way for aggro players to milk 4-6 damage for free"
What ? I doubt you really play the game lol.
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>>362579135
>At any decent level it just becomes a spamfest of evolving to contest your opponent's evolved creature, repeat until you run out of points.
>this is what AA0 is now
oh wait
>evolve
>free damage to face
:ok_hand:
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>>362573274
Duelyst has other issues with card clarity - no faction symbol, no expansion symbol. Many cards that summon a random thing don't tell you what they can summon anywhere (like Ysera in HS).

The faction symbol especially should be there since they added a mechanic that targets only Neutral minions.
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>>362580467
Baron also looks nice.
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>>362580348
>What are you, rank 18? Ebola Paladin? Now I know you're either in shit tier ranks or haven't played in months. Paladin has zero good aggro decks right now. Shaman/Warrior can end the game turn 5/6 with lethal.
>I'm assuming you haven't played in months, your experiences are outdated.


I'm comparing both games since their inception and pointing out relevant decks throughout their history, I'm not looking specifically at this week with Shadowverse's newest expansion and Hearthstone's relatively new expansion.

If you want to talk specifically about current meta aggro, I'm willing to give you that Pirate Warrior ends games as early as Shadowverse aggro (turn 6).
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>>362579903
I went to legend with Evolve Shaman last season and the only lego was Bloodmage. Who can be exchanged for one of the spell damage Kobolds.

Yeah, there are decks that run a shitload of legos in Hearthstone, but they aren't by no means the best decks in the game.
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>>362574254
Krosmaga is trash
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>>362575287
ドゴン is his JP name
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>>362580723
Yeah it totally makes sense to compare Hearthstone a year ago to Shadowverse today.
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>>362580580
>>362580594
Show me the aggro bat/banner sword player that doesn't use his evolve points to get 2 more damage from his shit and I'll show you a D1 player.

Unless they have Floral Fencer, they will always use evolve for face damage.
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>>362580517
>29 (twenty nine cards)
>Imrelith instead of Avallac'h in a deck that suffers from shit draws like nothing else.
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>>362580717
>>362580517

>playing a card game where minions don't attack and it's just an RNG fest of who gets the highest numbers that turn

boooooooooooring
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>>362580760

Shit, mispelled it. ドラゴン is the correct one.
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>>362580601
I used an old photo, the faction is explicitly stated on cards, not even a symbol, but yeah its not perfect.
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>>362580502
>don't see why Shadowshills are taking offense at this
Because it's not true. Fucking Hearthstone with the coin counting as a spell and an extra card is a million times worse. I don't know how many times I have fucked people over completely just because I get a mana-wyrm, flamewaker and/or a perfect curve. Trying to play control in Hearthstone is always a waste of time because you still lose to decks made by 12-year olds
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>>362580517
>play foglets
>vs another foglet deck
>end up stealing your opponent's foglets from graveyard
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>>362580760
he's literally still rowen
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>>362559309
Duelyst
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>>362559309
TES Legends. Can play a better game outright and have a better art style than both.
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>>362580089
I'm no expert by any means, but isn't that a bit of an exagerration? There's a resource in SV, and you can help your "luck" with opening hand by not constructing your entire deck out of 7-point+ cost cards. Since you can have 3 of the same card in a deck, I'd say there's a pretty good chance of having a good opening hand. Evolve is a mechanic that gives you a chance to retake control of the board and more room for strategies like "do I want to wipe his board or do I want to burst the motherfucker." I've lost and won many games whether I had a great opening hand or a shit opening hand.

If anything, HS is guilty of the flaws you're pointing out.
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Right has
>better gameplay
>better deck variety
>all classes are viable
>better art
>better voiceacting
>much more generous to f2p players
Literally no reason to play Hearthstone unless you are a westaboo. I played both.
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>>362580849
>Scorch and another million tools to kill big numbers.
The most OP deck in the game curretly place so few points you can't even Igni faggots when they are on ONE row. FUCK ELVES.
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>>362580859
No that's Dragoncraft.
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>>362580502
>But Shadowverse is (was?) a bigger offender because games are even shorter in it
????
ElanaHybrid was literally every game i played in master. I dont think you know what youre talking about
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>>362580849
Gwent is probably the least RNG dependant game of all games discussed here.
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>>362578578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ08Kmt3BY4
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>>362580821
Then let's accommodate you with a rephrase.

Shadowverse aggro ditto: outcome determined by turn 6

Shadowverse aggro vs control/combo: outcome determined by turn 6

Shadowverse control vs combo: outcome determined by turn 9

Shadowverse combo ditto:
Outcome determined by turn 9

Shadowverse control ditto:
The only one where games actually go to turn 10+
Now as for Hearthstone, ALL of the above take at least 2-3 turns longer, control dittos are even longer, and the only one that matches up is SPECIFICALLY aggro pirate that can "clock in" as well as Shadowverse aggro. (A first in the game's history, I might add)
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I'm glad jade golem is a thing, fatigue warrior is the worst.

Shadowverse always had a hard limit via PtP or dim shift
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>>362580828
both those decks die by late A and barely see any play after
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>>362563728
Vengance was shit before the most recent expansion thou.
Also not really needed since current control blood has plenty of way to bring himself to 10 and doesn't even have to go there.
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>https://shadowverse.com/articles/detail.php?id=column-035

>So what makes for great game environment?

>• When things are working well, the results of a match depend on the decks that players have chosen and how the cards were played.
>• When things aren’t working well, luck or other randomness (“RNG”) determines the outcome of matches. Common solutions here include rules changes and changes to the abilities of key cards.


hearthstone BTFO
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>>362559309
I choose the one that's balanced and rewarding to play
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>>362581124
So you're saying a game with a smaller gameboard and lower player life totals has slightly shorter games?

Incredible insight, thanks for posting.
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>>362574816
>random 2 drop
Limit the amount of two drops you have if you want to draw something specific (like roaches for forestcarft).
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>>362560225
I'm entirely f2p and generally end the season above rank 5. Played for a long time though.

Trump and stuff do f2p seasons though where they go from a new account to legend in a single month entirely f2p. Sure, not everyone is as good as trump, but you don't need to be hitting legend to have fun either.
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>>362569216
Urias is pleasing to look at faggot.
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>>362581376
Too bad i don't like playing Pirate Warrior.
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>>362580842
I only run shrooms to counter cancer. Riders and foglets thin the deck nicely round 1
Avallach is gold and that really sucks. Plus if you play him before riders/foglets you risk a dead draw
>implying there's anything wrong with Imlerith. Though I might consider taking caretaker instead of him
>>362580932
I used to do that but I got irritated by non-weather immune siege
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>you will never be rich and fund a card/tactics game where the tactics part is more xcom (except for the rng) and less tic-tac-toe
suffering
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>>362581376
>Trump and stuff do f2p seasons though where they go from a new account to legend in a single month entirely f2p.
how about this meta lmao?
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>>362580959
>and you can help your "luck" with opening hand by not constructing your entire deck out of 7-point+ cost card

Hyperbolic nonsense. If you're running a slower deck (control/combo) by definition you need a high curve. Which, in turn, means that by definition your odds of starting with your lower cost cards is up to chance.

Now in a GOOD card game, this doesn't matter much because you have many turns of "set up" to draw your stuff before you have to respond to your opponent's board.

In a terrible, aggro favoring cell phone app like Shadowverse (and yes, Hearthstone too) you need to have playable cards IMMEDIATELY because you have to respond to your opponent's board from turn 1.

>'d say there's a pretty good chance of having a good opening hand

If you run a low curve deck, like aggro, sure. It's almost as if they game favors aggro?

Think about it another way: can you actually afford to pass early turns in Shadowverse? Hell, in Hearthstone you at least have a hero power. In Shadowverse if you pass turn 2 you pretty much have a 90% chance of losing, assuming your opponent isn't a slow deck as well.

>>362580993
Congrats, your Priest's equivalent control dittos are almost as long as Hearthstone's control dittos.

Now let's talk about your matchup against D-Witch, Forestcraft, Bloodcraft, Dragoncraft, Banner Sword, Storm Haven... you know, every OTHER deck in the game?
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>>362581363
lol i have the same amount of wins in AA0. fucked around a "little" too much with dirtrune when i got to A0.
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>>362559309
Left has abilities, right does not. That alone gives the indication that left is going to be the more interesting and interactive game. Right looks like it would just be a bunch of beatsticks whacking each other until somebody gets superior numbers.

Of course, that could be a wildly inaccurate assessment, but that's what you get for just showing six cards and asking for assumptions.
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>>362581376
>it's fine not being competitive because you can have fun
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>>362581521
>Plus if you play him before riders/foglets you risk a dead draw
And you never do? Same as Skellige: thin your deck with Pirates first, play Spies/Draw cards next.
Shrooms are okay, but throw out foglets and one Wild Hunt Warrior. The less cards there are, the more consistent deck will be.
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>>362581252
If it's so obvious then why are people contradicting me?

It HAS shorter games. It's a numerical fact. Which also means you get to draw less card and can play (mana-wise) less cards. Which makes it a lot more luck based and less skilled.


So yeah, glad we reached an agreement there. Hearthstone is terrible, but Shadowverse is basically twice as bad.
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>>362581207
Too bad they still have plenty of RNG cards
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>>362581536
>tfw Duelyst almost did that and then decided to become Hearthstone for hipsters

too bad
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>>362581762
God bloody damn, the art for this game is already more than a turn off for me, why couldn't they at least keep it nice and pixely?
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>>362581587
>you need to have playable cards IMMEDIATELY because you have to respond to your opponent's board from turn 1.
no, you retard. do you even play the game? the strength of cards excalates more with every point of mana so the turn after this one is almost always going to be more important. the aggro player can have a great opening hand but you can still win with a bad one if he gets unlucky with his finishers.
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>>362581587
Good card games like what?
Even control decks in mtg are setting something up every turn and use plenty of medium/low mana cards.
Waiting until the other guy's because of instants still counts.
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>>362581587
>Think about it another way: can you actually afford to pass early turns in Shadowverse? Hell, in Hearthstone you at least have a hero power. In Shadowverse if you pass turn 2 you pretty much have a 90% chance of losing,
THAT THE FUCKING POINT OF EVOLVE TO REGAIN BOARD CONTROL
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>>362581762
>small playing field
>no terrain
>few terrain effects
>creatures have a lower average life expectancy than someone who's looking at a mushroom cloud
shame what could have been

but at least it's better than hearthstone
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>>362581715
I might throw out one warrior yes. But fuck you im keeping my foglets.
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>>362578920
>Neutral cards are awful.
The latest set has a "neutral cards matter" focus and released a lot of good ones. However super generically good neutral cards is also not a good thing, otherwise you end up with situations like Piloted Shredder and Dr. Boom.
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>>362581728
You need to understand there is a huge difference between an effect that you can influence with your deck construction (like goblin mage) and one that just creates a random thing with a massive variance window.

Randomness in Shadowverse can always be controlled by the player and exists because the developers want to utilize the digital design space.
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>>362581720
>If it's so obvious then why are people contradicting me?

dunno maybe they are dummies

>Which also means you get to draw less card and can play (mana-wise) less cards. Which makes it a lot more luck based and less skilled.

marginally more draw dependent, but in my experience it just means your deck requires a lower curve than HS, or specific draw mechanics to get your wincon in late game - which is perfectly possible.

Take a deck like D-Shift runecraft for example - they have so much card cycle that they get their wincon by turn 10 pretty much always, despite the issues you mentioned. They in turn are kept in check by aggro.

>So yeah, glad we reached an agreement there. Hearthstone is terrible, but Shadowverse is basically twice as bad.

nah, nice try tho thanks for playing
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>>362581762
id play it if not for the disgusting tumblr art

shame the pixel art looked great though
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>>362582073
Faggot. I play NR and eat weather shit for breakfast.
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>>362581993
>they have some nice art
>majority of their in-game units are a mess of pixels
>the non-pixel in-game stuff is badly drawn
>the factions are almost as generic as the levels in a platforming game (lava, demons, undead, ice)
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>>362580849
seems like you haven't played Gwent, then. The Witcher 3 one is completely different compared to the stand alone version.
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>>362581720
some decks can go through 20 cards (half your deck) within 6 or so turns. also having 3 copies of cards really helps with consistency...
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How much money have you invested in CCGs /v/?

Wasted a gorillion of dollars in a Dragunity deck and fuckin konami banned/limited (can't even remember) the core card and it fucked me over so hard
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>>362559309
Besides the art
Gameplay wise what makes shadowverse any different then hearthstone?
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>>362582103
>id play it if not for the disgusting tumblr art

I know how you feel, I ended up making a mod/patch to fix the General art (pic related). Google 'Duelyst General mod' if you feel like giving it a try, I still enjoy the game.
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>>362582092
>Randomness in Shadowverse can always be controlled by the player and exists because the developers want to utilize the digital design space.
lord of the flies is the only exception here.
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>>362581587
>If you're running a slower deck (control/combo) by definition you need a high curve. Which, in turn, means that by definition your odds of starting with your lower cost cards is up to chance.

Except that if such a player manages to survive until mid-late game, he has a massive advantage. Sheesh isn't that a granted that you need to be prepared for people using aggro? What you've said sounds like all those fucking shitters in age of empires who play "no rush" with 30 minutes truce to "set up" their bases and tech up without worrying about defeat. What you say is "GOOD" is what I call "BAD," since it means that everyone is on equal ground and doesn't have any advantage at any point, but those are just opinions, aren't they? Play chess instead, it's a gud game.
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>>362582158
>majority of their in-game units are a mess of pixels

Pixel art is not to everyone's tastes, but Duelyst's animations are some of the best I've seen.
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>>362582317
All three minions are defensive.
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>>362582281
i love how the lyonar general looks like a racist caricature originally
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>>362582103
>>362582281
>Tumblr art
Not everything is "tumblr" or "SJW", it's just shit art.
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>all these fantasy games
>no sci-fi / cyberpunk games
I guess "cards" don't really fit those genres that naturally
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>>362582317
He can only make 3 different followers who all have relatively the same value.
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>>362582436
that doesn't matter for the fact that he is pure rng.
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>>362582149
>I play NR
yeah thought so. Go plough your king, the mad lad Rad
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>>362582386
yea, I think stand-alone it's pretty good. But it feels like they don't have a good range for the colour-pallet so when everythings on the same board it's an indistinct mess. Everything is slightly light-blue to black.
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>>362582521
All three minions serve defensive purpose and have more or less the same value.
>>362582537
I'll switch to Nilfgaard as soon as possible because Letho sounds fucking bonkers.
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>>362582485
netrunner is pure cyberpunk and infinity wars has a bunch of sci-fi factions (robotics megacorporation, an army of fanatics, cyborg zombies, literal star trek promotional cards)
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