Why is TES more popular than fallout?

>>361613159
it isn't, you should've asked why was skyrim more popular than fallout

I guarantee you if they do a game set in elsweyr nobody will care about it

>>361613304
>>I guarantee you if they do a game set in elsweyr nobody will care about it

so you know the answer?

>>361613304
They can set the next game wherever they want and it will sell a billion copies riding off Skyrim hype.

Fantasy is a more popular genre than post-apocalypse.

TES has been around a few years more than the Fallout series. Oblivion came out in 2006 and Fallout 3 came out in 2008.

It wouldn't be if bethesdumb let obsidian keep making them.

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Skyrim >> Fallout 4
I feel like even mods can't fix the shit last one is.

>>361614127
I know right? I did two play throughs of fallout 4 and quit because it was just so fucking BORING. The only fun thing was gunplay and even THAT got boring because you only ever use 3-4 different guns in the whole game.

>tfw Fallout 5 is coming before the next TES

>>361614453
Can't you just taste how fucking beautiful TES6 will be?
I hope they take some ques from Enderal.

>>361614278
Settlements managment, shit crafting for more crafting, retarded armor pieces over clothing, OP power armor, no skills, poor gunplay etc etc.
This is just a pile of shit game making decisions. Kills all the joy and satisfaction from process.

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>>361614571
God, no matter what they do, I'll probably love it. Though Skyrim is a fucking mess, something about it makes it one of my favorite games when modded. It may be pleb as fuck and casualized to all hell, but it scratches that fantasy itch for me.

>>361614571
nope. Because gamebyro is shit and todd refuses to change out his shit engine.

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>>361614127
Checking both Skyrim Nexus and Fallout 4 Nexus.
And, god, how fucking bland and tastless F4 shit is. Really shows what game ppl love more.

>>361613159
Because Fallout 4 is an abortion, and New Vegas was damn close to a perfect RPG.

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>>361613159
Because, as popular as they are, each Fallout game is just a reskin of its generation's Elder Scrolls but with guns and gunmods over Medieval-fantasy and pornmods. Also, modern Far Cry games do it with more polish and multiplayer to boot.

Also Skyrim hit a goldmine in today's Minecraft/GoT audience, and is likely the future direction of all Bethesda games.

>>361615283
My point being that Bethesda is incompetent, and Fallout has the potential to be greater than TES, if they didn't own it.

TES has been, at worst, average.

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>>361613159
Game of Thrones

/thread

>>361614278
Modders so far have done a nice job accumulating a decent arsenal when you install enough. I know it's why I even bothered buying it after enough time.

>>361613159
Multiple races allows people to play as a character that speaks to them more on an emotional level, and magical fantasy is more comfy.

For example I normally can't stomach playing female characters, but in TES games I always play female argonian. That just seems to be what I'm most comfortable with for some reason.

>>361615319
>modern Far Cry
>literal copy-and-paste locations and mechanics
>same premise for every game - kill shit and climb towers
>better than TES

Because TES has always been a casual RPG series. Arena and Daggerfall were Doom/Duke clones with swords and only notable for bloated map sizes, while Fallout managed to capture the feeling of GURPS in vidya form along with a decent stack of lore and backstory.

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>>361615583
>for some reason

Don't hide what's inside.

>>361615583
>female Argonian
>lizard tits
muh dick

>>361615703
you know how bad it feels to see a casual try fallout 4 and making no progress to anywhere in two hours? i do
the game is literally unplayable unless you´re a complete nerd about this shit and study what you do during gameplay

>>361615685
I compared FarCry to Fallout, not TES. And in regards to what most normies are looking for in "open-world FPS with choices".

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>>361615765
>>361615856
It's more that I want to BE the lizard girl

>>361615983
My mistake, and you're right if we're strictly speaking about normies.

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>>361616084
Between that and the kitties, it's a hard decision for me honestly.

>tfw dream I played a TES that included the sneks from XCOM 2
>realized sneks exist in Akavir

TES is dead. Next TES will be a Witcher 3 clone take all the stuff from GoT. Politics, Royal families and shit.

>>361613159
>why is a fantasy universe more popular than some post-post apocalypse
are you being real OP

>>361617161
That'd be a million times better than the saving the world garbage they do.
Let's pray it comes to that.

>>361617161
>Witcher 3 clone
I'd be amazed if Bethesda ever accomplishes that much effort, especially if the 10 main races are kept playable.

If anything they'll stick to what made Skyrim work, but in Hammerfell or the south. It's their familiar territory.

>>361613760
>it will sell a billion copies riding off Skyrim hype.
they'll call it "skyrim 2"

>>361617161
>all that shit
>more dragons (that the Dragonborn missed lol)
>voiced protagonist
>be the leader of every faction again
>decide to ripoff Underworld some more and have vampire-werewolf hybrids

>>361617841

>rip off Underworld

Which ripped off Vampire the Masquerade? But seriously, there have been vampires and werewolves in TES since at least Daggerfall, and they were definitely there in Morrowind.

>>361618216
The Vampire Lord form is an obvious ripoff of the design from Underworld: Evolution.

I wouldn't know about Vampire the Masquerade.

>>361618216
iirc vampire clans and all that shit in Daggerfall was inspired by VtM back when Bethesda actually liked and played RPGs

Bethesda's kind of mediocre either way today, but I feel they still have a better grasp of their own Elder Scrolls than they ever did of the Fallout universe

>>361615319
>each Fallout game
You know Fallout existed before Fallout 3, right?

>>361618697
Yes anon.

>>361618925
You'd think you would have specified 'modern Fallout' then.

>>361616084
I always felt kind fo bad for Lifts-her-Tail. She is an impoverished argonian trying to earn a honest living but instead she gets molested daily by her depraved employer.

>>361619041
Why?
She's obviously into it.

>>361613159
Why is fantasy and dragon shit more popular then sci fi?
That's the better question.

>>361619120
>She's obviously into it.
That would make it boring. She must always fight it for the whole thing to be interesting.

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>>361613304
>Implying it wont be Valenwood and Summerset Isles.
They've got another pillar to challenge, son. Don't you follow the lore?

>>361615283
kill yourself obsididrone

>>361619254
Which is why she has the charade of "oh no, I'm so meek and I'm not sure what you're doing, but I'm really a skank".
It's like you've never read it.

>>361619289
>Valenwood
I could see this happening, since they covered their bases and made it canon that the moving tree cities have settled down to being regular trees.

>>361619295
>actually preferring 4 to New Vegas
Drink bleach, ultranormie.

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>>361619254
It's the sign of a good woman. She likes it rough and that's how she gets it.

>>361619295
This is b8.

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>>361619254
>Rape is interesting.

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>>361619591
>He isn't thrilled by rape.
Rape is fucking social construct, it's a viable means of reproduction in nature.

>>361619591
>not liking rape
Lookit this faggot

>>361613159
because generic fantasy is the most fun setting out there, while post-nuclear is bleak and boring.

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>>361619408
I think it'll be Valenwood and Summerset Isles together because if you look at their landmass, together they're about the size of Skyrim. Which Bethesda thinks is the perfect size for a map.

Since Valenwood borders on the Empire's territory, it's a perfect setting for the second phase of the Man and Mer war to come.

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Swimming in lakes > Drinking from toilets.

You can understand why /v/ like fallout though.

>>361613159

Post apocalyptic settings are depressing. Fantasy settings aren't. In a game like that where it's open world and immersive, escapism is a big draw. Fewer people want to escape to a post nuclear holocaust wasteland vs a beautiful world full of magic.

I love Elder Scrolls but I can't get into fallout because of that.

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>>361614278
and in skyrim theres more variance? either swing a big sword,mace or axe all with the same animations, or swing a regular sized sword/mace/axe with a shield again with all the same animations, or use daggers
but lets be real, fucking everyone did stealth archer
animations are fucking garbage, clipping is garbage, dialogue doesnt flow, chicks walk like bulky dudes, hearthfire or whatever it was, that fucking bloodletting scene with the warewolf was fucking garbage, DRAUGRDRAUGRDRAUGRDRAUGR Cave systems
that quest with the glowing mushroom world was cool
ill admit the fact that magic exists makes TES a big more compelling, and all the lore is interesting with the multiverse/worlds whatever that is. But to me on their shit engine fallout works better, sword and board doesnt compare. Also im a sucker for post apocalyptic stuff, the darker the better. I wish they would really go hard in some bits, no holds barred style.

>>361613956

New Vegas sold far fewer copies than Fallout 3. You can quit shilling for Obshitian now.

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Current Fallout is an insult to the franchise. Skyrim still feels like a TES title even if it was casualized to hell and back.

>>361613304
I guarantee the next Elder Scrolls game will be called Skyrim 2 purely for this reason.

Screencap this

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>>361619591
It is! Now stop fighting it you fucking slut.

>>361620185
>it's worse because it sold less
>shilling for a game that's six years old
Spotted the retard on his parents' computer.

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TES is better looking than drab radioactive wasteland. People therefore want to spend more time there. That's about it.

>>361620431

This thread is about popularity nigger, get some reading comprehension.

>>361620543
You responded to a post that was claiming Obsidian could make better Fallout games. Fuck off.

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>>361620058
>Fucking your Reprogrammed Enclave Deathclaw Matriarch > Getting assfucked by Trolls.

I can see why /v/ would like Elder Scrolls.

>>361617841
>Voiced protagonist
One for each race and male/female versions? That sounds pretty tough

>>361614976
I loved skyrim unmodded
it's become a fucking meme though and out of all the Tes games it will get shit on
again, and again and again
>ice castle during the dawnguard questline, right after all that cool shit outside
most unique place I've ever seen

>>361620040
I hope they do add in the Summerset Isles, especially if there's some ass-backwards difficult way to unlock a questline with the Psijic Order but that's not happening, it'll be mandatory for the main quest because we can't have casuals missing out on cool shit, right?

>>361614127
Vanilla fallout 4 was actually a lot more fun than vanilla skyrim.
>>361614989
skyrim has been out for a lot longer. there were not very many good skyrim mods either for the first little bit.

>>361620150
>I wish they would really go hard in some bits, no holds barred style.
Too bad they're going in the opposite direction.
Notice how the took out all the hookers in 4?
Notice how slaves are now "traders"?

>>361620863
Bethesda sucks at subtlety though and even though they populate their worlds with more bullshit than any sane human could ever fully explore, they like it all to be accessible.

That's why you can be a magic hating, two-handed axe wielding nord barbarian and somehow become the arch-mage of the College of Winterhold.
And that pisses me off.

>>361620801
Todd can do them all, he's the master of the voice.

>>361620840
>most unique place I've ever seen
Sounds like you've never played Morrowind.

When is Oblivion 3 going to be released?

>>361621074
>That's why you can be a magic hating, two-handed axe wielding nord barbarian and somehow become the arch-mage of the College of Winterhold.
This doesn't bother me as much as it used to.
Even with my rebalance mods and lowered EXP rates, I still level way to fast to get any enjoyment out of really late game stuff, so I can't do everything in one playthrough.
Because of this, I cut out everything my character wouldn't do.
I mostly play mages, with the occasional spellsword, because Apocalypse and Lost Grimoire make magick far too good so I've not done the Companions questline in about 10 playthroughs.

It's fucking stupid and insulting you can be Arch-Mage by getting into the College by shouting during the main quest, using a staff to break down the wall in Sarthaal and never casting another spell, but it's something I can ignore.

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>>361619832
>it's a viable means of reproduction in nature.
No it's not, women are more likely to abandon rape babies and they certainly won't stay with the father. So either the kid dies or is raised by a single mom, both of which are disastrous

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>>361621078
>Implying he needs voice when he has his bare hands.
Todd destroys game play with his fingers. He pushes around dream boys with his palms and pleasures labia with his fists.

>>361620801
Not tough, just expensive.
VAs are fucking jews.

>>361621432
Notice how he said "in nature".
Niggers throwing their dad's kid into a dumpster isn't nature.

>>361613159

Because Betheshit has no idea how to make a good fallout.

>>361621014
yeah its fucking gay, give me some more little lamplight or shit. they have Pickmins gallery and stuff which yeah is fucked up and creepy but you see severed heads on pikes everywhere so its not a shock to the system.
Give me rape dungeons, slavers you can help raid a town with, give me some storylines with SUPER fucked up individuals, storys that have no happy ending for any party involved. Give me exploitation of handicapped people and harder abuse of drugs. Being a junkie doesnt really seem all that bad in fallout

This thread needs more Katia.

>>361620040
I don't follow this very closely but why is morrowind full of niggerlizards instead of dark elves?

>>361621416
I don't mind that you're allowed in because you're Dragonborn, it's more that as soon as you're in it's never mentioned again. If the characters treated you differently and there were different things to do (because you aren't a mage, you're dragonborn) it would be fine.

>>361621870

>Being a junkie doesnt really seem all that bad in fallout

Maybe in 3/4/NV. In 1/2 drugs were practically essential given the scarcity of healing items, and addictions required treatment lest they killed you from withdrawal. 3/4/NV addiction was basically a slap on the wrist until you found some Fixer.

>>361620262
This. Except for oblivion none of the games were even close to being as insulting as Fallout 3/4.

>ancient dragon tongue, powerful enough to make the earth shake
>stopped dead by the most basic magic ward

is the Special Edition any good yet with mods?

>>361622094
>I don't mind that you're allowed in because you're Dragonborn
Neither do I and if we're being technical, the Thu'um is magic, so it makes sense they'd be allowed in, there just wouldn't be a lot for them to learn, outside of the Arcaneum.

>If the characters treated you differently and there were different things to do
If fucking only.
You should have to cast a spell to legitimately join, shouting should only get you access to do main quest stuff.

Also, have you checked out Immersive College of Winterhold?
It's a surprisingly great mod that makes the College really feel like a College and there's a quest available after you become Arch-Mage that lets you explore some of Winterhold's ruins that has you fighting N'Gasta who is implied to have caused the Great Collaapse and that's not even the end of the quest.

>>361620801
One voice for male, one for female.

>>361622362
No, SKSE isn't out, so all the good mods can't be ported.

>>361620894
Kill yourself.

>>361622362
The Xboner version is okay. PS4 one is still shit.

>>361613159
Clumsy combat with a sword is better than the same with a gun.

Shooting games are inherently boring (ranged point and click) so an emphasis on sporadic movement, Warframe, or speccing and loot, Borderlands is needed to make them fun.

>>361620894

>vanilla fo4
>better than anything

Shit taste

>>361622549
Do it yourself pussy faggot.

>>361622074
A faction of nativist Argonians went to war with the great dunmer houses after the eruption of Red Mountain and Oblivion Crisis. Taking advantage of the weakened state of the Dunmer to reclaim what they felt was part of Blackmarsh.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Wars#The_Accession_War

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Accession_War

>>361622831
That and the fact that argonians have an ancient grudge against the dunmer since they were consistently exploited by them as slaves. That's one of things that really set morrowing apart from Oblivion to me. There was a clear social divide and the beast races were firmly at the bottom of it in Morrowind.

>>361613304
This train of logic assumes that people just arbitrarily decided to like snowy mountain land after Oblivion came out for some random reason, because the people you're targeting here wouldn't enjoy Oblivion or Morrowind.
No Skyrim was popular because of the marketing aka the company not the universe, and the next game will be the same.

>>361622805
>pussy faggot
I remember when I was 12.

much more interesting lore for one.

>>361623189
As it should be, because the beast races aren't descended from gods even though Argonians may be the oldest race on Nirn because of being spawned by the Hist

>>361623189
Everything in Oblivion felt so blended together and senseless. You didn't really sense any difference between the various races in any way whatsoever. Even orcs were just common citizens all the time.

I used to think that Oblivion was better than Skyrim, but overall Skyrim did a lot of shit right that Oblivion missed the mark on. I'll always be fond of Oblivion out of nostalgia but man I wish it was more polished.

>>361615703
>Arena was casual
It was no Wizardry but harder than Final Fantasy was.

>>361623189
>Join House Hlaalu since they seem like good guys
>They're actually complete hypocritical assholes

I won't be tricked again

>>361623305
You're the one arguing with a 12 y/o though. lol

>fantasy is generally more popular than sci-fi (Even Star Wars is basically space fantasy)
>deeper lore
>more variety in character selection (There aren't many non-MMOs that let you play non-human races)

>>361623440
And Khajiit were originally elves.

>>361620040
so it's Canon the stormcloaks won?
Good
not enough racism in a world set in a time where it would seem racism should be at a all time high and there is so many
races

>>361624080
Not anymore unfortunately.
Now their collective race is just a bunch of furries.

Is there a "correct" version of the elder scrolls world origin story, or is it just that all the stories are true for each group of people because non-linear time or whatever

>>361624134
There's no set canon end until TES6. The most likely scenario is that, because Alduin is actually killed, we'll have a Dragonbreak occur.

>>361624134
How did you come to that conclusion?

>>361624134
I always thought that was a neat twist though, that the Empire wasn't racist and was fairly benign all things considered, while the people being colonized (Dunmer) were backwards racist slavers. TES is one of the few IPs where the Empire aren't the "bad guys."

>>361619254
Well obviously, when you talk to the guy who wrote it he acts like a molester

>>361613159

TES's setting is more appealing than Fallout's setting.

>>361622798
skyrim really was that bad.

>>361613159
Because one genre appeals to more people than the other.

>>361624653
Eh I like fallout 1's setting a lot. It was very grim, like the world's end was looming on the horizon. By fallout NV, I was struggling to understand what the problem was anymore. They couldn't deal with some assholes insane death cult, when it was perfectly clear it would die when he did.

>>361624837
In NV the problem was the two major factions fighting each other for more power.

>>361622291
>Oblivion
>insulting
It's the best in the series mate

What's insulting is you liking Skyrim over Oblivion

>>361623189
Did you never go to Leyawiin?

>>361625389
I sure didn't spend much time there, I hated that swampy area

>>361625389
Meant for >>361623512

Not to mention Oblivion is set in a different province to Morrowind and Skyrim, so obviously it's not the same.

>>361613159
>Play Skyrim
>Get into it immediately
>Love it despite all of its flaws

>Play Fallout 3, NV, and 4
>Cannot get into them for the life of me, just feel bored and like I'm forcing myself to play

>>361625235
It's actively the worst in the series and I started with Daggerfall before you call me a Skyrim baby
Not even that guy, Oblivion is just shit. Take off your nostalgia goggles.

>>361613159
Because Bethesda raped the corpse of Fallout franchise. Meanwhile TES was their to begin with.

Both are garbage today, but it's easier to forgive them for destroying their own franchise.

>>361624246
Stories are stories. Nothing can be considered factual--that's the beauty of worldbuilding and lore in the style of books written by in-universe authors.

>>361624521
>banned worship of talod
>sides with Nazis of Tamriel except they have chink eyes and yellow skin
>lets them abduct nords to torture and shit
>they try to kill you just because they can in the beginning of skyrim
Yeah totally good guys
>the people of a Fucked up nation thats divided are racist slavers
Wow just like Africa

>>361625727
Oblivion has the best quests by far in the series, and the best music.

With regards to Skyrim, it does not do much to improve on Oblivion, and is worse in many ways. Combat is very similar, seemingly at the expense of a forgetable aoundtrack and setting, unexceptional quests that no one remembers, and much further casualisation of the RPG elements.

Skyrim isn't terrible, it's just clearly not as good, and very disappointing. I've also found that I couldn't bring myself to play Skyrim a second time, even after starting multiple characters.

I'm talking about vanilla of all games.

>>361626018
Talos*
ah phone posting you never get any better

>>361624653
>implying there not both shit.

arguably the biggest issues with both games is the engine and developers not being bold enough to make a world that actually seems to be "alive".

Mount and Blade: Warband felt like a better more "alive" world than Fallout:NV does. This was mostly due to things happening regardless if the player get's involved or not... You had kingdoms with internal politics, and internal factions, which were not scripted but proceedurally generated.

>>361626018
Yeah, signing a treaty they had no intention of enforcing until Ulfric started being a bitch and then when they finally have him have to get the executions going because the Thalmor wanted to rescue their puppet makes them villains.

>>361613159
because they dont give a shit about fallout since its not their ip
the people that work on tes have been working on tes since the day they were hired, they built the franchise, fallout is just a neglected stepchild that theyre obligated to visit every once in a while and the lack of care people at the company have for the franchise as a whole bleeds through into the games heavily

of course its getting to a point that theyre going to end up phoning in a good portion of both games because the meat of the dev team is being stripped out for yes men and code monkeys
theres a good reason that theyre so unclear about whether or not theyre working on the next tes game, executive orchestration is rotting the company from the inside out, in fact a lot of the industry is falling victim to this profiteering bullshit that once turned ea into an animate husk

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>>361613304
>I guarantee you if they do a game set in elsweyr nobody will care about it

Oh you naive little fool...

>>361626180
yet one could say the same about oblivion compared to morrowind
See how we are advancing into such casualization that literal babies can pick up a Tes game and play it to its fullest extent one day? Thanks to autistic kids that can't understand what skills and attributes and how they affect gameplay mean
Don't these Fucks already have Call of duty, battlefront, Every EA game, every bioware game to call theirs? When do people who enjoy complex game mechanics without the whole ''lol I'm so smurt'' stuff get pandered to?

>>361626594
How long until they do a Katia Managan reference?

>>361613159
Elder Scrolls' world is more colorful and open than Fallout's. People like the freedom offered by fantasy worlds which is why fantasy RPGs are so popular. Fallout is a very dark and desolate world made up of brown and gray, and while it is appealing to a great many people it's as appealing to the masses as high fantasy.

>>361626716
You obviously didn't read what I said.

First of all, I said Oblivion's quests and soundtrack are the best in the series, so at the very least it has that going for it.

Second of all, I was comparing Skyrim to Oblivion, as in - there is no reason to think Skyrim is better than Oblivion because it did almost everything worse than Oblivion, and it's gameplay improvements are not enough justification, since it's still very similar.

Casualisation was brought up because Skyrim was casualised without bringing anything particularly great to the table. That's not the case between Morrowind and Oblivion, and I presume you agree between Daggerfall and Morrowind?

>>361626180
People are wowed by the setting moreso than the storytelling. Just as a lot more youngfolk prefer FO3 over New Vegas--the desert was simply horrendously ugly and less interesting than exploring the city.

>>361620718

Here's the OP:

>Why is TES more popular than fallout?

Here's your first post:

>It wouldn't be if bethesdumb let obsidian keep making them.

Now go crawl in a hole and die retard.

>>361627321
I never said I was that poster, you fucking dolt.

>>361626180
>Oblivion has the best quests by far in the series
Best Guild quests, maybe.
Most other quests are pretty boring.
>best music
Entirely subjective.

>it does not do much to improve on Oblivion
Two handing magic is a fucking excellent improvement upon Oblivion.
Non-potato faces.
Shields actually work.
I'm sure there's more, but I feel like you're going to come up with some shitty excuses as to how these aren't improvements. Please prove me wrong.

>Combat is very similar
Except better, but both are worse than Morrowind.
>setting
I prefer snow, forests, marshes and Dwemer ruins over fields, "forests" and Ayleid ruins.
This is subjective, though.

>unexceptional quests that no one remembers
Aside from Guild quests, Skyrim's non-radiant quests are better.
Ill Met by Moonlight, that cannibal one, all the Daedric quests, etc.

>and much further casualisation of the RPG elements
Skyrim really didn't take any RPG elements out, besides stats which was shitty

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>>361626180
>Oblivion quests better than Morrowind's.
Pic related.
>Music
Subjective.

>>361627232
I'm not really sure what the relevance is to what I posted, but I dont really disagree.

I mean I'm young (19) and I greatly prefer NV, but a lot of my friends prefer Fallout 3. I think that came down to which they played first though.

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>>361627092
We will get a Katia reference in an official Elder Scrolls game before Prequel gets an update.

>>361627763
Maybe not over all but Oblivion's Thieves' Guild was way better than Morrowind and the Morag Tong had nothing on the Dark Brotherhood.

>>361614127
Vanilla Skyrim at least has a more interesting atmosphere and aesthetic even if the writing is about as bad as in Fallout 4.

>>361627991
Fuck off, furfag.

>>361627552

Yeah well, the whole point is the conversation chain that you're butting into is a claim that if Obsidian kept making fallout games fallout would be more popular than Elder Scrolls. I debunked it saying that Obsidian's Fallout was less popular than Bethesda's.

This is a thread about mass appeal, Obsidian doesn't have mass appeal, and honestly, only a few autists like them religiously and consider them better than Bethesda.

>>361613159
I personally just don't like Fallout's setting as much.

>>361623305
Not that hard remembering a week back.
#owned

>>361628206
>and honestly...
Go fuck yourself, pencil dick.

>>361628442
>>361628768
>look mom, I'm posting on 4chan

>>361628768
Shit, he's not really wrong, although "a few autists" should be changed to "people who like proper RPGs", a group that is increasingly smaller.

>>361628768
where the fuck do you think you are? pencil dick? really?

>>361627683
No shit a lot of it is subjective, do you actually think there are clear cut objectively better games, when comparing games like these?

>Most other quests are pretty boring
Nope, painted world, haunted ship, and the cult quest spring to mind. Plenty more come to mind though, even if they aren't as entertaining. For example I remember a quest where you help brothers defend their farm from a goblin raid. I don't even remember the best quests in Skyrim as much as that example.

>I'm sure there's more, but I feel like you're going to come up with some shitty excuses as to how these aren't improvements. Please prove me wrong.
I didn't say there were no improvements though? Just that they don't justify the backsteps they took. Obviously the graphics are better in Skyrim, but I hardly think that's a pressing issue, I mean since when has graphics been of utmost importance? Maybe I'm misremembering, but I don't remember Shields not working in Oblivion.

>Except better, but both are worse than Morrowind.
Which I've already addressed, and Morrowind is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. It's cool you've played Morrowind, but I really don't care.

>Aside from Guild quests, Skyrim's non-radiant quests are better.
>Ill Met by Moonlight, that cannibal one, all the Daedric quests, etc
I genuinely remember fuck all quests from Skyrim they were forgetful, especially the vast majority of the Daedra quests - they were one of the aspects that dissapointed me the most.

>Skyrim really didn't take any RPG elements out, besides stats which was shitty
They took out classes, major and minor skills, and you do not have a specialised skill set.

I'm heading to bed now, so if the thread is up tomorrow morning I'll respond. If not, if you post a response I'll read it, not that that would be appealing to you im sure.

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>>361628191
Prequel doesn't count.

>>361626594
Elsewyr is more possible than Valenwood or Blackmarsh.

It's a desert, meaning in classic Bethesda laziness they won't have to figure out how to render thousands of trees.

The only problem it has would be Khajit majority, except a little known lore fact is that they have different "breeds" based on which lunar phase they were born under.

This means there will be elf Khajit, furry elf khajit and all manner of non-humanoid cat Khajit.

>>361628971
There you go.

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>>361615470
By that logic why hasn't Walking Dead made Fallout more popular? It's not that much more different from Fallout than Game of Thrones is from Elder Scrolls

Unfortunately both Elder Scrolls and Fallout are home to some of the most autistic man children that have ever peed in a bottle. No wonder people like Pete Hines have no regard for the fans they're all oddballs.

>>361629689
A furfag and a tumblrfag. How surprising.

>>361628971

isn't the group of people who like "proper RPGs" (and only their inner circle definition of what a proper RPG is counts) just a few autists?

>>361613159
Fantasy is more universally relateable than post apoc

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>install Requiem
>install Frostfall
>install a million graffix mods
>install Interesting NPCs
There, Skyrim is now good

>>361613159
It's more a question of Fantasy vs. Sci-Fi.

TES was alright, but I like Fallout more because Sci-Fi's my jam.

That being said, Fallout is a shitty franchise.

>>361613159
Plebs connect with generic fantasy more than post apocalyptic